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Welcome to the Fantasy files for the Red Bull King of the Air. These are normally video podcasts on Portrait, but a lot of you guys play Fantasy and might not be Portrait members. So we thought you might want to hear this Fantasy breakdown as we lead into the final event of the year. We do these fantasy podcasts for every event. I'm not sure they're going to become regular audio podcasts, but with code around the corner and it being the last chance to win that week at Makani and the Three Corners property in Alguna, we thought you, you might all enjoy this. Picking up now and I'm pretty ready, man.
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This one is probably a bit more nerve wracking.
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A
Kevin Langry, three time winner. This is like a heavyweight boxing match. This isn't the featherweight. There's no dancing around. Sponsor kicker first move. The rebel plier for a woman is super clean. Try huge contrast. You think of the men of the.
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B
Whoa.
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A
That is yet another innovation.
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B
Face your food.
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Mark Jacobs heading out towards the iconic Robin Island. Highest trick scorer in all, Red Bull king Janic Chisi. Kevin Lany has taken it for the third time. Way more than a dream come true. That is massive. Meanwhile, out the back and that has to be facing. It's an allout teenage.
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B
Yo, Adrian.
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A
Jason, we're back. The final one of the year. Thank goodness.
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B
I mean I think a lot of people were a bit concerned why Red Bull Italy didn't happen on Fantasy. Yeah, I think from outside it was just there was so much going on and also I think it was just the, the fleet itself. I think it was a little in terms of no one really knew who the people were. It was a bit hard to throw all of that together at the last minute in terms of creating cards and so on. So I just wanted to address that straight off the bat and be like we are going to take that event out of the overall calendar. But saying that we have decided to put Cota in double points. So any points you score during.
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A
Any chance to catch up. Any chance to catch up. I like it.
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B
You know, I'm, I can control the rules however I like to, to have my advantage.
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A
Between you and Raleigh, man, it's, it's, it's all over the place. But yeah, I like that, I like that. Finish strong.
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B
You know, I think it also just gives people who have maybe missed one event or two events a chance to still see their names further up on a leaderboard. It kind of just adds a bit more. Yeah. Pressure into the overall event. But it also is the Most important event of the year, you know, and I think to give that a weight in. To give that a little bit more. Yeah, emphasis on it is the right move. So we spoke about that. I think that's a nice addition to the, to the league.
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A
Absolutely. And just to go back to saying what you were talking about before with Port Apollo, it was a surprise to us. I mean, I got the text saying, hey, Port Apollo's got a green line. I'm like, what is that? That's still happening. But yeah, I think that's completely fair. There's just too many unknowns in that. There's too many, too many unknown names to the regular people for it to be fair. You know, I mean, you're, you're really just going to be picking like four or five guys really, which would have probably not done you too well. But yeah, yeah, that, that was cool with me. Yeah. King of the Air. Yeah. I mean, we've had some interesting. It's been an interesting few weeks with the selection of riders. I mean, King of the Year always does this every year, but I can't remember it ever been this many surprises or this. Bigger shocks, let's put it that way. Because there has been a couple of huge omissions. I mean, Jamie Overbeek been. Been omitted. I know he's the first reserve and more than likely first reserves generally get to ride. Not saying it's confirmed 100, but that is something that we probably need to talk about. If there is an activation and Jeremy is one, I believe Hugo is two, how will that affect this fantasy? How, where will they come in?
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B
Yeah, so we've had this, we've had this in the past where we have seen the fleet change at the last moment. There was actually, I think cold Hawaii. There was a little bug in the app that you could actually pick an extra rider if you had picked a rider that had been moved up a tier because of replacements. So what we've decided is that whoever the first Reserves are are going to just fall into TSC and we are not going to move anyone up tears. So let's say Andrea Principe gets injured in Tier A and he needs a replacement. There will only be three riders in Tier A to pick from. We're not going to shift people up just because that messes up the algorithm we have in the app. And yeah, I think we're just going to keep it simple and just follow up from tsc. So if three people drop out, TSC will be a mighty choice.
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A
Yeah, I mean, put it this way if people like Hugo and Jamie are coming into tc, my good luck picking tc. It's. It's already tough. It's. It's already tough now, so. Yeah, that's gonna be super cool. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a good idea.
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B
Yeah, I think that just clarifies a bit of the rules and a bit of the scoring. And guys, we, you know, this is essentially our second year of running this full time. I think it's already a thousand times better than the first year. And yeah, we constantly wanting to make improvements, make it better. So this is the last event of the series. Let us know what you want to see for next year. Like, let's build this thing together. Essentially, it is a platform for the community. So we're super happy to take feedback and grow this in a way that everyone thinks is the best moving forward. So it's been, we've had really amazing feedback from it. People are, yeah, really excited to feel like they're a bit more connected to the events, to the riders and I think it's been something really special for cardboard in this year.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. And, and I've enjoyed, I've enjoyed playing it too. You know, I mean, unfortunately, you know, we get so busy, we don't really. And I don't do as much research or take as, you know, detailed approach to this as I would like, especially when it comes to. Around the events, you know. You know, you know, I've got a lot of stuff on our plates during the event, so I don't, I wish I could put more into it, but it's always nice to, to look back at the results and I mean, we walk around half the day thinking, why did I pick that person? You know, he's, he screwed me over. But I mean, that's, that's part of it, right? It's the, it brings those extra conversations like, and you start sort of questioning your, your head and your heart a little bit. So, yeah, that's, that, that's fun. It just brings a little bit more excitement to the, to the event than, than just the writing.
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B
Yeah, completely. And I think talking about that, we are all still playing for that grand prize of the week stay at Makani with gear rental or coaching or storage, you know, so it is a massive package that the guys of Makani and Three Corners in Egypt have put on the table. And it's, it's a nice way for us to give back to the community in a sense and be like, hey, guys, just for showing up, for participating, you know, Whoever takes the crown, you know, you walk away with quite an incredible package. So, yeah, it's been really special to see that. We filmed the first part of the new blank car test at Makani. We were all there and I think it's an amazing place for people to actually go and, yeah, progress. To enjoy time on the water and just disconnect for a week. It's almost the perfect place for that.
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Even for families, by the way, if you, if you have young kids, you can just let them run around there. I mean, it's so safe. I mean, you are in a protected area really, which is the. The whole Alguna facility is very, very safe. And you can kite, the kids can play on the beach. There's, there's little, you know, these little play. Play areas for there. The food's great. You can leave the misses sunbathing and you know, you're gonna. At the end of the day, you're not gonna be getting any grief. Like, ah, you stayed on the water all day and we're bored. They're all going to be happy. You just got to pay the. Pay the, pay the barbell. You know, the FMB is going to catch you.
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B
Exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, it's. It is a great place, for sure.
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B
Nicole's greenhouse is definitely going to be having a couple extra customers on those weeks.
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Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. All right, should we start boys or girls?
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I think women first.
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All right, let's do woman.
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B
I'm gonna pull up the app here just so I can pick as we go. Cool. Ready when you are.
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Yeah. So tier A, this is the tier A woman for the Red Bull King of the Air Ladies division. I know a lot of people are calling it the Queen of the Air. Unfortunately, you're not allowed to call it that. If you do call it the Queen of the Year, it's just you have to say between yourselves, really. But group A or woman's A. Francesca Maney, Zara Hugenrad and Mika Ali Soul. Oh, come in.
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B
I mean, we always had this conversation. Was Mika going to arrive at King of the Air? And here we are. We see her name on the list. We've had conversations. Yeah. Super interesting to see it. There's that, there's that, there's that silent pause like you're still wondering if this is reality.
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I mean, Micah, is that good?
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B
Yeah.
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You just never know with Mika. I never know with Mika. We were sitting in Mykonos and she's like, yeah, I'm gonna do it. But I was watching her writing. She Would go up for like five to 10 minutes. Sometimes that's enough, done enough. You just never know with Mika. But like I said in the last podcast, I was helping Mika and Soph with scores and doing some, giving her some information. The final, her hair wasn't even wet. She won the world championship and she never got her hair wet completely.
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B
She did these and you say, sorry, go. Yeah, you were saying she only rides for five to 10 minutes at a time. She doesn't need a ride for much longer. She's got two heats to get through. She can go out for the first five minutes, come back in before the heat's even over and probably have secured a spot in the finals.
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But I only saw it in Lords of Tram riding right foot forward, which is her dominant side, which is not ideal for Cape Town. She can do left foot forward with contra loops. She said that to me. She said, I can do the classic left foot forward contra, which is what a lot of goofy riders started out doing. Andrea in particularly, he would always go kite loop, right? And then contra loop, or let's call it dirty loop from now on, guys, let's, let's not say contra anymore. Let's call it dirty loop. Dirty loop to the left, which she possibly can do do. The thing is, with Mika, if she wants to do this and win, she can win. But for sure, what's the mindset of Mika coming into this? That. That's the big question, right? Eight world championships, 21, 21 years of age, she's got eight world championships, you.
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Know, she's got eight world championshipss, but she does not have a king of the air under the belt. And maybe that's just, that's the, that could be the difference between her and Gisela, you know, two, like, Giselle's been there. I think it's 10 time, 11 time world champ. Does Mika. One, she. Mika is incredibly competitive person. Does she just want that extra title, that extra piece on top of Gisela in the history of kiteboarding? And to get there, it's having a king of the air under her belt.
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I mean, personally, for me, she doesn't need that. I don't think anyone's going to question her. No one's going to say, oh, but Francesca Maney got a king of the year. Francesca mania. Mika are not even in the same conversation. Like, you know, let's be honest, it's an interesting one because it is a real. Mika's crossed over from freestyle to be successful and big air, she's done that. She doesn't need to do a lot. I mean, the thing is, it's not like, you know, we keep talking about the Mark example where Mark rebuilt himself and re changed the way he rode. She doesn't really need to do that because she doesn't have the same, she's not up against the same depth of competition. Let's, let's. That's been on us, right?
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B
I mean, I don't know. I think when it comes to King of the Air, does left foot forward kickers, you know, does that bring the playing field a little bit more equal? Is the likes of Francesca Zara going to be able to get more heart, more yank, more extremity, which essentially King of the Air has always been about heart, guys. It is. We saw back in the day when Kevin Langry won, it was those pivots that were going so much higher than any other kite around. Everyone else was on sea cards and Kevin changed that game with bringing the pivots and just going higher than everyone else. It's still what, 80% of maybe not that high, 70% of the scoring. So I don't know, I feel like the fact that it's left foot forward kickers. Zara, Francesca have spent a lot of time in Cape Town. They have last year's experience behind them that maybe we bring in that playing field a little bit more even. Sure, Michele Soul might still have a slight advantage, but I think there's fight in those two other women. There's a lot of fight in them and I think that is, it's going to be an interesting event.
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Mika also brings kryptonite to the table. You know, it's like playing at the local. It's like playing touch foot. It's like playing, you know, kick around football in the park and you know, someone brings Ronaldo down even though he's injured, you know, he's like, oh no, he's not playing. But mate, he's still better than you. Yeah, there is something to that. Francesca, I don't know where her head is at the moment after the, the concussion. She's obviously taken a little bit of time out. She's been quite quiet on social media. We haven't seen a lot of her. I would be very doubtful to, you know, I think at that mega loop, you know, she was openly like, oh, I haven't done any kite loops. Remember she said, I haven't done anything for, for months I've been wean foiling and, and you know, and surfing and just enjoying the ocean, which she loves to do, which is Great. But this is not the time to do that now. You know, I think that was a big wakeup call for her. I would be interested to see her and how she approaches that because again, like Jeremy, you need to have a couple of those sort of bigish crashes to realize, okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. I'm not going to get another fright. Zara, on the other hand, the momentum's all with her. You know, she's come off this amazing win at the very first event at, you know, the Megaloot for her getting back that sort of probably disappointed about the loss at last year's King of the Air event. So, you know, those two have got one for one now, you know. So all three of these girls in Tier A have got something to play for Mika for her legacy. A bit like, I guess that's probably a good way to look at it, her legacy. I don't think it's going to matter. Zara to, to do the, the double, the first double ever done, you know, to hold both the majors at one year and then for Francesca to go back to back and be the first, you know, win two King of the Year's female division winners, you know, there's a lot on the line for these three completely. If I had to put my money on the line, I have to say Mika, which is crazy as it sounds.
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B
Yeah.
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With it. And she's the least. She's going to be the least prepared, she's going to have done the least work, she's going to approach it the least professional, but she's probably still going to do well.
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I, yeah, I always come from. Well, it's a hard thing to say, but that hard work beats talent 80% of the time, you know.
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True. Yeah.
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B
And in these case, out of those three women, I think Zara has put in the hard work. She has not stopped this year. She has had an injury that's held her back a bit. She bounced back from that at Mega Loop. She came hard, she took it home. Today is the 5th of November, recording this. Francesca Maney and Zara are both in Cape Town. There is a massive southeaster coming through today and tomorrow they will be on the water. They will be starting to train, you know, and I am going and saying hard work beats talent and I'm putting Zara down as my pick because, yeah.
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80 of the time, I listen, here's the thing. If this is hard work, if this is the hard work thing, yes, talent, Mika's on the top of this, but Mika's Talent it's. Then these lines aren't. They're not equal, man.
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Yeah.
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The talent of Mika is way up here.
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B
Well, I guess this is where I'm making. Those 20 points are.
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If this is 80, 20, we have to go this way. But what, dude, what I'm saying here is that you're right, you're right. I just cannot pick against her. I don't think I remember. She was up against it 20, 24, the World Championship in Cape Town. She came back, she pulled out the, the contra boogie board off to win. I think it was. She can get under pressure. But what I like to see and what Mika can do is when she's under pressure, she always can rise to the occasion. I can't remember the last time I saw Mika come second in a competition. And that's a long time, dude. I don't remember the last time Mika wasn't on eight on the top of the podium. She's either on the top or she's taking photos. She's just not there, you know.
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B
Totally. I agree.
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A
You're 100% right. If in this fantasy, if we had to pick with our head over our heart. Your head. It's saying both.
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B
It's saying both. Exactly. And I mean once again we're taking.
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Francesca out of it because of the head knock or you still, you, you put Francesca and Tsar in the same sort of group.
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B
I, I think Francesca and Zara are back to back when it comes to this. I think they are both pushing hard. Undoubtedly Francesca was a favorite going into Megaloop. That crash really unsettled a lot of things. But I think she's in Cape Town now. She's there early. She's going to be training, she's going to be back in the water. I think they are going to be back to back. I think Zara might have a slight advantage with the momentum behind her and maybe the confidence in her riding at the moment. But I think Zara once again works harder than Francesca. Francesca is always on the water but Francesca is winging, she's foiling, she's cutting. You know, there's a combination of things there. We do not see Zara winging, do not see her surfing. We don't see that multi discipline approach. And I think Franchesca might be on the water more than Zara, but Zara's kiteboarding more than Francheska is.
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A
Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean it's difficult to be a multi event person. I mean look at Lorenzo and Leo. They ride all these events Right. But to be fair, in any other discipline outside of Big Ear there, their sort of semi final level now, you know.
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Yeah.
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Because those other disciplines are getting better. So you do have to sort of at some stage make a decision how you want to do that. But yeah, that's a, that's a good shot. I mean, yeah, that, that, that terrorist tough. I mean, we've been 20 minutes, man, on that woman's terror. Let's talk about tier B in the ladies, the woman's bee again. Super difficult here. Natalie Lambreck, Pippa Van Ursul and Zoe Zvenia Peters. I mean Svenja is someone that, you know, we've kept our eye on for some time. She did make the Megaloop. Unfortunately, to pull out is a person who is just a hard working writer. Not raw talented, not anything else. It's that 80, 20 thing you said before. 80% ethics and work, 20% talent, where Micah is 80% talent, 20% work ethic. Personally, you need to be in the middle of that. I think, you know, you need to have that balance and, and that's, that's, that's what it makes that exciting. But who do you like in this group here?
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B
I mean, I, I was gonna say, I've never seen Svenue ride in really strong conditions Cape Town style. But she did show up at Lords of Tram. She did put on quite a performance. You know, once again, that's a flat water takeoff. She does spend a lot of time in Brazil, which we have seen in the past, that Brazil doesn't correlate to the conditions in Cape Town. You can spend a lot of time in Brazil, you can get all your tricks dialed, but they don't move across so well to Cape Town. Yes, you might get that muscle memory, you might get your body used to the movements, but Cape Town is a different beast. You know, everyone says that when they arrive. Once again, Natalie, Pippa have spent time, they've spent the hours in those conditions. Pippa's coming back from injury. She didn't ride Mega loop because of it. She got called up as the first reserve. She didn't ride because of injury. Natalie, I think has a lot to prove, not to the world, but to herself. We saw that, that heartbreak last year on the beach. She was, yeah, I guess really broken after her performance. And she really felt like she had let herself down more than anything. So I think there is a fire burn in there, but it is, it's a tough one between the two of them. You know, it really is. I think they have very different styles. Natalie pulls that loop super early. There is that extremity in her riding. Pippa makes it look a little too easy. You know, she, I think, has to force the effort to make it look extreme, which most of the time the judges can feel or that it doesn't look as natural. But Pippa has a lot more of those added rotations. She has the dirty loops a lot more in her, in her wheelhouse. So, yeah, it, it's hard for me to choose between the two of them, but for me, I think it's going to be between those two. Nothing against venue, I just think Brazil's not going to correlate to Cape Town. It's her first time in the event and she does have competition experience, but not at this level. When you. This will be her first Red Bull event and there's a different buzz, there's a different energy around these events and I think it might take her a little bit to warm up to it.
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I agree. I agree. Pippa, predominantly a goofy rider, has sort of rebuilt herself and does super well lift it forward into kickers. Now you'll actually see Pippa ride and jump on the inside, you know, building up that variety. Natalie, you know, coming off the back of her best finish in a big event, which was the one at the Mega Loop there, poding that, you know, she, she could be in Tier A. I mean, if it wasn't for Mika, she'd be in ta. You know, she's so close. I, I expect that she would be the right pick here. She's a robust athlete. Yeah, she can take those big crashes, she can get back on the board. You know, we, I questioned her mental game and, you know, her sister came up to me and said, why, why would you say that on the, on the, on the pre show about my sister? But it's the truth and sometimes people need to face their fears, you know, and if you're not prepared to face your fear, then, then it's right then, then you're not going to achieve. She. Her boyfriend is a. A legendary wind surfer, so he's going to. She's going to have great. She has amazing family support anyway, but she's going to have great competition support with her boyfriend and is saying, hey, listen, he might not know kiteboarding well, but he knows competing, he knows how to get through. You don't become a Red Bull legend and in windsurfing if you don't know what you're doing. So I feel like she's got a better support group around her than Pippa at this event. And I really. And I think that could be the difference.
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B
Yeah, I agree. I think I'm putting, yeah. My money down on Natalie for women's be. Yeah. But it is close. It is close between her and Pippa and it is, you know, I look at my picks now. I've got Zari, Natalie and B. That's first and second Mega Loop. So I feel like, as you said, Natalie is right on that door of Women's Day and she's worked hard to be there, so it's really hard for me not to pick her.
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What I'm liking as well, Jason, is that, you know, not only do we have a great fleet here, but, you know, we don't have Alyssa in here, we don't have Sara Siddiquin here. People have made podiums.
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Lana.
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Lana, who's poor. That poor things had been so unlucky this whole year. But we actually have lots of girls who have made podiums and just haven't made it. We've got younger girls coming through. So I'm kind of positive where the girls are. You know, I speak into Michaela Pilkington, she's obviously, you know, wants to come back and do competition. She was asking me, is six the right number? Time, I said, kind of feels right to me.
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Yeah.
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But maybe they can, in the next few years, squeeze that to nine, maybe push it to 12. I mean, I think 12 is probably fairly ambitious at the moment, but it looks like we're trending the right way.
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B
I mean, I would be happy to see from next year on, even this year could be nine. A fleet of nine women. You know, round one, three heats of three. It does make sense. It, it does open up that playing field. Round two, you, you know, it all works. So I think we could move to that nine. There's definitely enough women who are knocking on the door and I think that's thanks to Mega Loop. That's thanks to Red Bull standing up at other events and saying, hey, we are including women and I think we're going to see more of that next year.
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you'd have to look at the draw like, I mean, three groups of three is fine, but then you have to have a four person final. I mean, this is all semantics, right? I mean, stuff can be flushed out that I don't need to know. But I, I think next year, I think at the end of the year, I think the girls should try and push. Push for nine. I think that would be perfect because they can do it. They do have it. They're going to get more and more young girls coming through and you want to be showing pathways, you know, Red Bull. I was saying in the podcast that and I looked at their policies. They like development stuff. So let's have a look at this. Let's see if we can get some more. But that's something to work on anyway. Let's move on to the boys. Should we go bottom up?
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B
You want to go bottom up?
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A
Sure.
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B
We've never done that way, but it's nice to have a change in the.
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Year, mixing it up a little bit. Let's go. Tessy up Baptist Yakaman Elliot, Bhatan Kim over Kirk, Leonardo, Casati, Parker, Sage, Shahar Sabri and Josh Gillet. Just to remind everyone, like Jason said, if the reserves are activated, we will fill the bottom up only we will not muck around with T, B or A. So if any changes are we're just going to keep filling up C just to make it more even. I mean, I guess everyone's going to pick Leonardo. I mean if Leonardo is not 100 picking this tier, I have no idea what's going on.
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B
Yeah, I 100 agree. His entry video was undoubtedly the best we've seen all year. I, there's, there's no doubt about it. You know, I did, we did bring it up and I think this wasn't in the article that we released about the king of the A list. But people need to know that these riders can decide to leave their videos as private so the world doesn't get to see it. I think that makes it difficult for the kite boarding fan to really stand behind A list because we may have not seen what Aaron Hadlow's entry video looks like. Mark's entry video. You know, we might not have these ideas where we all have seen Leonardo's video and I think we can undoubtedly say he may not be one of the favorites to win this event. He is the underdog that I think everyone is putting their money on.
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I mean if we're gonna go by videos. The other impressive video in Tessa's is Shahar Sabri.
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B
Completely.
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A
I mean it's just a super powered kite position. Ballsy. And these guys. So if we go through this, Baptist is a rookie, Elliot's a rookie, Keo's a rookie, Leonard's a rookie, Parker Road last year. Shah is a rookie, Josh is not a rookie. But obviously in the second year. Didn't have such a great competition last year. This is all rookies.
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B
Yeah.
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Now the best performance from a rookie is A win but for years the best performance. I mean if you made the semi finals in your rookie year, I mean or round three, it was considered to be a great debut performance. But unfortunately Andrea Lorenzo and Jamie have changed that. You know those three rookies just basically was a full rookie podium. It is a lot of pressure. You know, if it's a really, really windy day and it's a weekend, there's a lot of people on the beach. This is not like coming to any other event. There's a lot of media crews around, there's cameras everywhere. There's big, you know, it's a big time production. You know, there's like big Red Bull trucks everywhere. There's camera guys, there's people. It's very, very tough to get into the writer's area. All that adds to pressure. Who's going to handle the pressure the best? The people who've been around these systems the longest. Leonardo's been carrying for his brother since day one was there last year helping, helping the boys caddy. Chemo's.
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B
I think Chemo's been there. Yeah.
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A
So we do have a lot of guys who have been around the event. Josh has obviously been there as well. So yeah, I think the Baptista Elliot's are going to be a big disadvantage because they are the youngest and least experienced. Those other boys have more. I mean we're gonna, let's put in Leo for the lock. I mean I'm, I think I'm gonna choose Shah here. I want to choose Josh but I think Josh's this year doesn't seem to be in the same for me. Was also this event's kind of turning into a light wind event completely or a lighter event compared to the other events that we have on the calendar. And I think Shahar is probably better at those conditions than Josh. Josh is mate, he's full on or he's head's not in the game completely.
- [32:17]
B
I think we also need to remember like we, we were on a call yesterday with Nick Jacobson about a little deep dive into the most extreme moves over the last 10 years. Right. And there is something to say that, you know, Zach came in last year and he kind of splashed his name in as a rookie taking mystic move of the day. He stood up and he was like, you know, he showed what he could do and I think we people forget there is that award. There is that way to kind of almost make your mark on this event. And I think Josh could go out and do something in that sense. I think he looking at this Lineup. It's so hard to say that, like, we're not picking Josh. Like, for me to say I'm not putting Josh in the team is pretty difficult, but this rookie class is unreal. We saw it in the past. We saw the trap come through and absolutely destroy legends and heroes. And I feel like Leonardo and Shahar might be the start of that next generation, for sure.
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A
You know, and, you know, we were speaking just talking about Josh to give some reference. We were talking about sort of hard work and talent. I mean, I actually have no idea where Josh fits in that. For sure. He's talent for. For sure he's talented, right? Yeah, but he's always been that talent. I mean, for sure. I remember way back 2019 when he was a little kid, man, he think he 15. He almost beat Stepen Acres Dike for that very first backle final. He's been around a long time.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And he's mega talented. He. I just feel like it's. It's. It's up to Josh whether he wants to do well or not. I think that's it. And you know, last year's king of the year mate, Josh had a complete stinker, man. Just couldn't get going. It was mega light when not what he wanted to ride. He crashed his kite and that. Unfortunately, that was it. But yeah, I mean, I mean, I know we can say conditions, but is it windier? It's get, man. Leonardo and Shahar are still. Still there for me in that group completely.
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B
So we lock in the. The rookies in.
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A
Yeah.
- [34:32]
B
The youngest. The youngest on the. On the. On the list, sure. Cool.
- [34:39]
A
Tb, Tier B or men's B. Charles Brodell Cohen, Van Dyke Heel Vlute, Jason vanderspay, Stein M. Zack Adams and Timo Mosma Stack. And we're going to choose two. Yeah, I'm actually, you know what, man? I. After listening to Charles talk on the podcast and hearing how he's taken on board that, you know, it wasn't. The judges said you're not riding enough power and him talking about, like working his leg strength up and riding an 8 when everyone else is riding 8. I think there is something in that. I don't want to say that he's going to win or do damage, but I definitely think he's showing the judges what they want to see, which is more powerful writing. And guess we saw that with the Port Apollo event. Right?
- [35:24]
B
For sure. For me, it's. There's. I kind of break this down a little bit. I'm like, there's Three guys who have a chance of making finals. I mean, I'm putting, I'm putting. I'm going out on a limb here, right? I'm saying Cohen Van Dyke, I'm saying Steinmo and I'm saying Charles Prudel. I mean, it's very hard for Charles. It would be a big moment for carbon in history if Charles gets to the final. We've said this before because does Red Bull want to push the sport in that direction? But it just happened in Italy. Yes, the fleet wasn't the same, but they still went out on a limb and put Charles on a podium. They let a foil. We've always said, will the judges let a foil be on the podium? And there was a lot of criticism last year. Were they judging Charles Furley? You know, where was there a little bit of a biased against him because of the foil. There's no excuses now with him being on the podium at Porto Polo. So I think Charles Stino and Cohen have the options for being on the final. For me, Hill is up there. Let's not forget cold Hawaii against Lorenzo. But Hill needs the wind. And by the way, town is.
- [36:49]
A
Yeah, heel versus Andrea. Last year I came down to like a. Throw the. Throw them up in the air and see who won, you know, who win that. I mean, he can do it, by the way. He can do it in the light stuff. He knows how to put that quite low. I agree with Stino. I mean, Stino is just a weapon knocked out. Jamie last year went all the way to the semifinals, you know, just slowly improved every year. This will be Stino's third, third king of the air. He's gone.
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B
Yeah.
- [37:17]
A
Round three, semi final. And if you look at tracking, he's going the right way, got height. Cohen made the semi final in his first year. Came through the Porsche golden ticket. To be honest, I thought he might have blown that. But since then he's actually gone backwards, went out. Round two one time, round three, round two, not done super well.
- [37:39]
B
Yeah, but look at his performance in Mega Loop. Look at his performance at Tarifa. He is on those new nu 80s. He does have a new. Yeah, fire that's burning. I think the Red Bull, the Red Bull partnership, everything now is leading the right way for me for him to get to that podium. He has so much he wants to prove, but you cannot deny he's coming hot before, bro. He has come in.
- [38:09]
A
He's coming hot. He's coming with a lot of form and it's not going his way. I wonder if he's just taking everything a lot more professional now. That's the question we have to ask. It's what you're saying, really?
- [38:22]
B
Yeah.
- [38:23]
A
And I think Cohen probably hasn't had the performance of the Rebel had he really wants yet.
- [38:32]
B
Yeah.
- [38:32]
A
And maybe that's now. And this is, by the way, if they're going to have a performance, Rebel hat, this is the one you have it in. You know, they want to see those guys on the top. So, yeah, Cohen's a good shot as well. I mean, he'll. I mean, Jason, Zach, Steno, Timo, that. I mean, Timo's probably the weakest in that group, to be fair. Zach probably also down the bottom. Tough.
- [38:51]
B
I mean, Jason, I really. We've said this. We just brought up the mystic, most extreme move in the last conversation. Are we going to see short lines come into play? You know, I believe.
- [39:01]
A
I believe we are.
- [39:02]
B
Yeah. I, I hope we do. We spoke to Chris Bull the other day and we spoke about seeing car changes in King of the Air for Double Loops. Right. In the past, he was really suggesting, hopefully we see car changes now for. Because Mega Loop has kind of paved the way forward showing what is possible on shorter length lines, showing that extremity, showing that variation. And out of this list, Jason's the one who can slap those nine meters on and really put on a show. Let's not forget, it's King of the Air. It's about show.
- [39:42]
A
Yeah. Obviously, Cohen winning the high five short line comp as well. You know, Stino being on the podium of that short line comp so that they definitely have a bunch of riders there. It'd be interesting to see Charles on short lines now. We're really getting out of control. But yeah, I mean, if. Let's, let, let's talk logically of this. I think Stino probably is the one that stands out to me as completely the, the, the main pick. Just because the form he's in, his attitude to kite boarding, the way he approaches it, he seems to have it. Right. Right. He doesn't seem to be worried about the competitions. Clearly super competitive. We saw that, you know, in the second half of the cold Hawaii final when he came back from just, you know, he said 10 minutes. I was just running around doing nothing in the last five minutes. Just put three big nine scores down so he can do it. I, I like his attitude. I like the fact that he wants to win, he wants to be competitive, but he also can stand back if it doesn't go his way and think, hey, man, that Was totally cool. Andre has that a little bit as well. Right? Andre can, if he doesn't win, he can be like, hey man, I'm happy for Lorenzo. A lot of can't do that.
- [40:53]
B
Andrea has the first short fuse. You know, we have seen him lose it straight after the event, straight after loss. But 15 minutes later, he is the sportsman we know and respect. You know, he can come forward and he can shake the guy's hand and be like, well done. Great heat. You know, and I think that's, I love that about him. I love that there is that Italian passion and there is that like non censored emotion. But he then does realize that he's a professional athlete and he is a sportsman. It's not even like he realizes it, it's inside him. He is just a genuinely nice guy.
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A
Does he does he'll have that?
- [41:41]
B
I mean, I, I think Hill is so firmly like, he's so firm in his beliefs in what he wants to see kite boarding shown as. And if he feels like that wasn't showing, he takes it personally. You know, if he believes that cardboarding wasn't showing at the level he wants to see kite boarding at or, or the sport is going in that direction, he takes that very personally. I think he does, he does have a, he, he is a sportsman, he does have respect. He is also generally nice guy, but I think he maybe takes it more personally in the sense of the sport as a whole.
- [42:26]
A
So who's your second man in this group?
- [42:30]
B
You know, I.
- [42:34]
A
I mean, I want to see. I'm just waiting for that big performance from Cohen again. Yeah, you know, 2022. Remember Andre said, hey, Cohen is the, is my greatest adversary or 2023 or whatever it was. It just, I just feel like Cohen is always. He's just knocking on that top and then he falls back a bit. He gets there, he knocks on the door and he falls back. I'm hoping this. How many can headbutt his way through that and just cement himself in that group completely?
- [43:00]
B
Because it's difficult for me, the second choice is between Charles Cohen and I'm putting Zach in there because Zach is on the day. Zach is really an impressive rider. I don't think he has the. Professionalism is the wrong word, but the discipline to structure heat the way the other two do in terms of Cohen and Charles. But he, there is something exciting about him. There's. There's something unknown about him. So for me it goes.
- [43:36]
A
Yeah, he, I mean he's young and he's raw, right?
- [43:39]
B
Yeah. And if you want an upset, I would put my money on Zach. It feels like the, the right choice is between Charles and Cohen. But if you're looking to do something different, Zach's there, he's calling. But I'm going to go. Charles, I think I'm going. I'm going. The foil. Loyal to the foil. I mean, he proved something in, in Italy for me. And it's hard to say that because the fleet wasn't the same, you know, Magnitude as we see a king of the air. It really wasn't. And that's okay to say. But he did look. He looked like he was. He was giving it to Andrea. If you looked at those heat scoring, you know, it wasn't like Andrea was running away with was Charles was there. He was knocking on the door.
- [44:34]
A
So, yeah, I mean he had high heat scores right throughout the day. Andre. But you never know with Andrea. You know, Andre can go through the motions a bit. He is different. He have different tricks for every single round. So you never know. Zach probably will want to right the wrong of losing that semi final in Port Apollo to Elliot Bhatan. These young guys, they, they're pretty proud of their, you know, look. What's that saying you only. You're only as good as your last competition. That's it. Right. You can be an absolute legend but have a complete stinker. Everyone remembers the stinker. So yeah, this is an opportunity for Cohen to write last year. I think Zach to continue on from last year. Stino to go one better than last year. Charles to prove that this is not a fluke heal to get back to the semi final where he once was. He's his best finishes the semi final. I mean I know he'd love to win this. I, I think that's a big ask. But if he could look heels a bit like in that position like Mark was. Yeah, you need that big result now towards the end of your career to secure personally, I will sing Hill's name for the rest of life as the guy he's the modern day Reuben.
- [45:47]
B
Yeah, he changed the game.
- [45:49]
A
Yeah. 100 changed the competition writer but changed the game with the doubles and was the first and embrace it, not just do it once. Push the progression. And him and Mark that time going back and forth was unbelievable. But in his mind as a competitor, he wants those big results.
- [46:06]
B
Gil Cohen right now. Hill or Cohen, who you put your money on?
- [46:12]
A
Cohen.
- [46:16]
B
Cohen. Charles.
- [46:18]
A
No, Cohen. Steno.
- [46:20]
B
Okay, perfect.
- [46:22]
A
I think, I think, I mean, I think, I mean, I don't think. I think steno's the best 100.
- [46:28]
B
Yeah.
- [46:30]
A
If you gave me those names and this wasn't Fanny said, hey, circle the two best riders in this group. Yeah, I think you'd probably a lot of people would put around Cohen and Stino.
- [46:39]
B
Yeah, I agree.
- [46:40]
A
That's interesting, man. Stino's rise to his position is just incredible. I remember Steno back in the bigger kite league days when he was a freestyle guy coming over to gear. I never saw this coming. His. His progression has been. If other people's progression has been on the head, his progression's been like just perfectly a nice, perfect move north.
- [47:00]
B
It's almost what. It's almost what we want to see. We're talking about talent and we're talking about hard work. Right. Stena undoubtedly works hard, but he has fun doing it. You know, it. It's like what he may lack in talent, he makes up for enjoyment. It generally just looks like he loves being on the water and he has goals and he has ambitions, but he's doing it with a smile. Every time you see Stino, he's just the happiest guy in the lineup, you know, and it, it's. I think he is a great poster boy for cardboarding. He is, absolutely. He is. Like, I know we sing his praises often and it wasn't always that way, you know, it was. It wasn't always this way, but he's really come around and he's just showing us it's a star completely.
- [47:52]
A
And I mean, if you've ever seen Stino do even freestyle, it's beautiful. You know, he's got that nice style about him. So, yeah, let's. Let's move on to the last group. Men's a. Well, I mean, this is. That's a real difficult one. This is going to be the make or breaker for a lot of people. Andrea Principe en route for his potential third in a row, King of the year. Never been done before. He's already in a double winner, which is only a very small club. Lorenzo Casadi wants to get back there after his 2022 win. Jeremy Blando, 22 finalist, hasn't really missed out last year with injury. Again, wants to get back into that sort of final again, be consistent. Then the third place finisher, obviously from last year, Luca Trudy, who's a little bit of a misfit in this group, just. But the seatings are the way the settings are. Just speaking to Luca before on the podcast, which will be coming out or probably be out by the time you guys listen to this. He's razor focused, man. He, he feels that pressure of being a podium finisher and you know, getting, you know, it's like getting to the. And he said, and he said it was interesting. He said, you know, I got to the podium, he's like, man, I'm at the podium, I'll just go and enjoy this. And that's the wrong attitude completely. You know, you've got to like, now the job's not done. And I think he feels that. And also once you make a king of the podium, there's a big monarch around your neck because every single event this guy got third place at King of the year. Yeah, there's something like, let's knock this guy off. So completely. Yeah, Lucas up against.
- [49:13]
B
He has, he has been delivering this year. He had, he hasn't been podium in, but he has been in those semi finals. He has been in the conversation, if we talk about South Africans, he is the best performing South African this year. So I feel like he hasn't necessarily fallen from grace from last year's King of the Year and he, if anything, he has got better than he was last year. But is that at the same trajectory as the other riders? You know, And I think Lorenzo, this year he's going for his own trilogy, right? He's won in Mega Loop world title and now King of the Air all in a single year. He's chasing what Andrea did and he really, really wants that. Andrea is going, for lack of better word, a second trilogy in the sense of three King of the Years in a row. In a row.
- [50:12]
A
You know, no one's ever won three. No one's run three in a row. But I just want to say one more thing about Luca. He's bringing more tools to this event because he has the Era 2, but he's also new, got the Sonic 5.
- [50:25]
B
Yeah.
- [50:25]
A
I'm telling you now those guys are riding the Sonic 5. If it's 30 something knots, Jamie Overbeak's riding the Sonic 5. Now, I don't know if you've seen those videos come out. Hugo is on the Sonic 5. Those guys unfortunately are not in, but he has more weapons. If it's another 25 to 30 knot day like we had last year and those guys are on those big foil, got those big Sonic fives they can do. They can go 3 or 4 meters higher than everyone else and travel another half the distance, it's going to be a real problem. It's going to put pressure on the judges. But the judges say they like crazy Stuff. Do they like foil quites? They like foils, they like short lines. But do they like foil kites? And that is going to be the interpretation.
- [51:10]
B
I, I have a question to ask you. If you had to say the top three riders this year, regardless of gear, regardless of results, who would be your top three riders that we have seen this year? Well, are they in tra?
- [51:25]
A
Yeah. Yes.
- [51:27]
B
You know. And do any of those three ride foil carts?
- [51:32]
A
No, but the competitions we've had this year have been particularly windy.
- [51:37]
B
Lords of TR for sure. But I mean, nothing against foil cards. I think it's a great tool. But recently I, I was on the beach with Jason during the cold Hawaii, a semi final that Luca was in. And if you reback, if you go back and you re watch that heat, it looks like Luca was, he was almost too attuned to that second lift of the foil kites on those landings that his consistency on landings I think has come down since riding the foil kites. And because it's a very different downlooping technique, it's a very different like landing technique to alias. I, I 100 agree that they're amazing tools to be on the water more to, to practice rotations. But I think Luca may have lost some consistency in landings because of all the time spent on foil cards and that might be a very left field approach and thought. But undoubtedly the top three riders this year do not touch foil cards and they are still the top three riders. You know, if they thought they would be getting a 2% more, you know, progression out of using a full cart, would we not see Lorenzo on them? Would we not see Andrea on them?
- [53:04]
A
The professional athletes, they are their brains don't have them. I know for a fact I'd ride them in training anyway. I want to say one more thing though. On Luca, the thing is you can pick up to the very last minute, so you're going to see the forecast. That's going to be a great indicator of which way they go going about Lorenzo's trilogy. I would be very. I know he's talking about the trilogy. It hasn't been as dominant as the way Andre did it. He was the most dominant writer at, you know, he was amazing at the Mega Loop. He won that didn't win cold Hawaii, but this is the one that he wants to put it all to bed and win.
- [53:51]
B
Yeah.
- [53:51]
A
If he can win this. It's a trilogy. It is the trilogy for sure. No one's going to say, oh, that was more dominant than the other. But it doesn't Feel like that. You know, there was something about Andre going to the trilogy. He had all the media behind it. He was pumping it, he was pushing it. I'm doing this, man. I'm doing this. We. He wanted to call. We were. I was like, it's a grand slam. He said, no, bro, it's the trilogy. And that's awesome name too.
- [54:14]
B
Yeah.
- [54:15]
A
But the girls have the chance to do the grand slam. But I want Lorenzo, I want Lorenzo to do that because I want that to be. Make that little group even special again. When people say, oh, what about the trilogy? It's only been done twice. You know, one Andrea won Lorenzo and it's going to get harder every year. Jeremy's sort of stepped back into that group now with the, with the, with the win at Cold Hawaii, which is a big event. Yeah, he wants it. He wants a major now for sure to keep in touch.
- [54:43]
B
I think Jeremy's still, undoubtedly, Jeremy's still my favorite rider in those four, you know, and that, that goes to the heart. That's just style, that's just attitude. That's just how I see Jeremy. But I feel like, as you said with Cold Hawaii, if you ran that final 10 times, Lorenzo would probably win it eight out of 10 times. You know, the stars have to align for Jeremy on the day at King of the Air. And I don't, I couldn't tell you what needs, what the conditions have to be for Jeremy to take the win because it feels like Lorenzo and Andrea can do it in any conditions. You know, I do feel like what we saw at Cold Hawaii when it was more extreme, Jeremy has that slightly more exciting factor than Lorenzo does. And I think talking about show, talking about Red Bull and putting on the show, Jeremy has that in my mind. You know, he got unlucky it at Mega Loop, but Mega Loop's a different beast. It's a one trick wonder. Right. It's. I love the format. It's one of my favorite events. But can Jeremy upset things at King of the Air? You know, and that all the stars have to be aligned for that to happen.
- [56:02]
A
Yeah. I mean, that's why you're in tra. You know, Terra isn't easy.
- [56:06]
B
Yeah.
- [56:07]
A
And he deserves to be there.
- [56:08]
B
Without a doubt. There's no doubt he deserves to be.
- [56:11]
A
There, but the body of work and the, in the. And then the impression or the variety is, is different. You know, arguably a lot of people thought Jeremy won that 2022 final when he was on the eight. The boys are on fives and sixes because he didn't have a. Didn't have a doubling kite. A lot of people thought Jeremy should have won. He was going massive, didn't go his way.
- [56:33]
B
The. The ties have changed. Right. Doubles are not what they were back then. But let's. Let's be honest. Let's say doubles will score. They still will score if they are done. Like we saw Liam Whaley with the double. You know, the double board off.
- [56:54]
A
Yeah.
- [56:54]
B
Back in. Backing coder on the buzzer. It still will score. Josh Gillett doubles, but they have to still have that extremity cart angle yank.
- [57:06]
A
They need to be legitimately strung out. And I think it's got to be a black southeaster or something crazy like that. Those. Those are the type of days that when it scares the people on the beach, that's when the judges start filling up the scores. You know, if it looks like, oh, that's just a double, you know, double laid back, you know, super high line tension, you know, 15 meters high. I don't think the judges are really going to punch that. I think they want to see more. I mean, king of the is always that. That 7030, which you mentioned before, 70% height, 30% extremity. They're trying to get away from that. I think deep down they're still. That. That. That sort of rubs the right way, but it's always been more of a technical event. It's always been a technical place right to ride. And for sure, you know, they've always. Look at. Look at Zach's mystic move when, you know, throwing the board into the wind and catching it. You know, that's. That's. That kind of technical side that Kota have liked. And Andre is the most technical of all those guys by some way. You know, Lorenzo is so robotic and AI in the way he does things, and that's his strength. Jeremy is almost a little bit of a mix of both of those guys. And Luca can be super smooth as well. So it's a really, you know, I mean, we've got the trap there. I mean, that's the thing, man. I mean, this is the thing. You either pick Lorenzo or you pick Andre or you pick Jeremy. This is going to be where. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. Is Andre going to do the three in a row and. And really change history? Lorenzo going to do his trilogy? Is Jeremy going to get us first? Is Luca going to go back to back podiums and be the first South African to win this big event? That's not going to happen, is it? No.
- [58:47]
B
Against Those three.
- [58:48]
A
I mean, sorry, impossible.
- [58:52]
B
I. At this stage, I feel like Luca is just in the wrong generation of carporters. You know, like anyone that is not the trap in this generation is it's been a difficult, difficult journey. And yeah, our backs are on the line. Who you putting down? You know, like, I. I think Lorenzo's gonna. Gonna take the trilogy. I. It's really hard for me.
- [59:18]
A
I'm gonna go Andre. Then you go Lorenzo. I'll go Andrea. Andrea. For the third in a row and surpassing Kevin as and Jesse as the greatest king of their rider ever.
- [59:27]
B
I mean, we could. We could flip a coin and it that there's nothing between those two right now. I mean, I believe we're going to see Andrea on the new Rebels.
- [59:41]
A
Interesting.
- [59:41]
B
So does that bring a touch more into it? You know, like, I. It's hard to say at this stage, but yeah, I think between those two, it's. It's a flip of a coin.
- [59:56]
A
I think if you are new to kite boarding, I mean, you could take any of these 18 riders and go back to 2013 to 2020. I mean, any of these 18 guys are going to win. I mean, that's how crazy the level is now compared to the way it was.
- [60:10]
B
Yeah.
- [60:10]
A
You know, through 2013, probably through any of those years. I mean, and that's no. And that's no offense to Jesse and Kevin and those guys.
- [60:19]
B
Sport was different. The sport was so different.
- [60:21]
A
What these kids are doing now is completely outrageous and different. And, you know, we're doing this mystic move project at the moment and some of the moves are kind of funny. You know, it's kind of like that was it. That was the move, but that was.
- [60:37]
B
The times and the equipment. Let's not forget that. The equipment was so different. We're talking. I still would love to see someone arrive at King of the Air and Boots. But the problem is what you lose all the board offs, you lose all the board spins. You. You stuck to doing boogie loops and late backs with added rotations essentially like you. There's no chance you ever going to win it. But.
- [61:02]
A
But why don't we see a girl. Why don't we see the girls in boots in. Because the girls don't do many board offs.
- [61:07]
B
I mean, I would say Mika is the only one who can stand a chance of doing that, but she's also Mika in boots.
- [61:14]
A
Imagine if m just won this in boots. Oh, my God, the world. The world would collapse. I mean, the freestyle guys hate us enough, but I mean, I tell you what, they would come swamping over. If Mika decided to wear boots, that would be sick. But she won't, though, because it's the.
- [61:28]
B
Of course she's got the board off. Exactly.
- [61:30]
A
Yeah. The injury rest are too high. Yeah, for sure.
- [61:33]
B
Cool. I mean, that. I think that was a great. Yeah, it was really a journey to actually go through this fleet like this because I'm really excited for this year's King of the Air. You know, like the. I'm looking at my top team here and I've got Lorenzo Stino, Charles, Leonardo, Shahar, Zara, Natalie. It's like there's not a single ride in there that I'm like, they don't stand a chance of winning this. Undoubtedly, Leo can be on the podium. You know, Shahar can be on the podium on the best day of his life. You know, like, every single one of these riders stand a chance of being on the podium. And I don't think we could have said that in previous years that someone in TSC has the same trajectory as this new generation. I mean, the rookies did do it one year, so.
- [62:30]
A
Yeah, I mean, Leo is just. And we're. By the way, you know, we're still waiting Leo for his breakout performance. I know he's made a few podiums, but he hasn't. He's also been tripped up this year by not being able to ride some events completely, unfortunately, with his age. But, yeah, I want to see. I'm waiting for that moment when people think it just isn't Lorenzo as well. It's. There's more to think about here and there's. And he's part of the family completely. And, yeah, it'll be interesting to see when those guys compete against each other enough. Actually, Hugo Wigglesworth was telling me, you know what? Hugo has been in five heats with Lorenzo this year, and he's won every single one of them. If you include twin tip and hydrofoil. Wow, that's pretty cool. I don't think Hugo's lost and we.
- [63:14]
B
Don'T see him in the fleet.
- [63:15]
A
He's not lost to a Casadi ever. Yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah.
- [63:20]
B
Cool.
- [63:21]
A
Anyway, there will be changes. There will be changes, guys, so just keep your eyes open. If obviously we do not want anyone to get injured or anyone to get hurt, but there is always changes. Things happen. Let's hope that we stick to this fleet. It goes right through because obviously that's. These guys deserve to be riding. They deserve to be there if there is changes. I'm excited for Hugo and I'm excited for for those guys to come in because I can't or Hugo. And for Jamie, I think Jamie's one he goes to that will bring some aggression, some people and like, I want to show these guys why I should have been here.
- [63:55]
B
Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I'm excited to see how the next few weeks go. We are doing this podcast pretty early. It's on the back of the release of the writers list last week, but I think it's. It's the right time to talk about this, you know, and it's the. The app will be open. When you listen to this, you can already go start picking your team. You will have up until the start of the first heat, which is possibly the first day can run is the 22nd of November. So you still have a couple weeks to put your entries in. But yeah, get your friends, get your family. It's a fun thing to play and yeah, excited to see how this year goes.
- [64:40]
A
Cheers, mate.
- [64:41]
B
Perfect. Thanks, Adrian.