WOO Worlds and Big Jumps | The Megapod

Summary

Kitesurf365: The Megapod – WOO Worlds and Big Jumps

Podcast: Kitesurf365
Hosts: Adrian Kerr & Colin Colin Carroll
Date: August 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Megapod episode is a lively, banter-filled conversation between hosts Adrian Kerr and Colin Colin Carroll covering the rapidly approaching WOO Worlds event, the latest sponsor rumors in the big air scene, record-breaking kiteboarding jumps, and a colorful discussion of personalities shaping the sport. Expect irreverence and in-jokes aimed at the dedicated kiteboarding audience, along with some industry insights and memorable moments.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Stijn Mole "Stino" and the Sponsorship Shuffle

[00:40 - 04:14]

• Speculation abounds over where Stino, a prominent rider, will move following his departure from Cabrinha.
• Adrian bets on North as his likely destination due to connections with Morane and North’s new materials, while Colin analyzes sponsor dynamics and team needs across brands such as ProLimit, Mystic, Nash, Harlem, F1, and Duotone.
• Quote:
  • Adrian: "Who do you think I'm voting? North, because he's good mates with Moraine, running SpaceX together." [01:19]
  • Colin: "Brands are looking to save money at the moment, not spend more money... I would push North off the table." [01:39]
• Harlem’s aggressive signings raise the risk of over-extending—recalling the fate of Best Kiteboarding.

2. WOO Worlds 2025: Format Changes and What to Expect

[04:18 - 11:03]

• Big Change: The Team Total Height and Team Total Distance events have been condensed to 48-hour periods, running over weekends to boost participation.
• “It’s just better for inclusion, isn’t it? … instead of taking needing to take a week off work ... you can just do it in two days.” – Adrian [05:17]
• Pros and cons: More accessible for casual riders, yet hardcore participants will likely push their bodies and gear to the edge for nearly two days straight.
• Two main disciplines:
  • Team Total Height: Cumulative jump heights of each team’s top five riders across the 48 hours (Sept 27-28).
  • Team Total Distance: Sum of total distances kited by each team during its 48-hour window (Oct 11-12).
• Inclusion praised—lesser-known kiters gain opportunity for fame through dedication.
• Iconic endurance kiters (e.g., Timo Martin) described, including details of his, er, “nutritious” WOO Worlds diet (see below).

3. Endurance, Commitment, and the Infamous Diets of Big Air Riders

[08:16 - 09:56]

• Timo Martin, renowned for team competition and, notably, a memorable race diet:
  • “He would put meatballs and bananas in a Ziploc bag, mash it up, right? ... Open it and then he’d put it down his wetsuit so it’d be like kind of warm and then he’d put his hand in there and just munch on that.” – Adrian [08:16]
  • Upgraded to “Red Bull and hard boiled eggs” last year.
• Discussion devolves into vivid speculation about kiteboarders’ fueling strategies and commitment to competition.

4. Record-Breaking Jumps in Australia: Jared Plugg’s Story

[11:43 - 14:37]

• Record alert: Jared Plugg lands the first 30-meter jump in Western Australia—second highest jump ever in Australia.
• Jared’s recount:
  • Extreme conditions: 50+ knot gusts at “the pond.”
  • Tactics: Choosing less-crowded outside zones; hitting the right kicker at the right moment.
  • Gear: “7 meter Ozone Edge V12 on 22 meter lines ... just goes so high.” [13:31]
  • Endurance session: 8am–3:30pm with breaks to recharge the WOO, multiple record challenges by different riders.
  • “That V12 Edge has got the king and queen of the pond.” [14:36]

5. Tarifa Bushfires, Industry Banter, and Jet Bradshaw’s Wild Side

[14:37 - 17:43]

• Discussion of the recent bushfires in Tarifa and how natural disasters hit closer to home when friends are in the area.
• Lively speculation about the (entirely joking) blame for bushfires—Jet Bradshaw is humorously fingered as a likely culprit but in true Megapod style:
  • “If you actually put what Jet gets up to in a video, there’s nowhere on the Internet that it would be okay to put it.” – Adrian [16:39]
  • Colin & Adrian riff: If Jet tried to put out a fire by urinating on it, he’d make it worse due to the alcohol content.
• Heartfelt side note: Both hosts check in with friends affected by real disasters, blending humor and genuine care.

6. Feature: Capturing Kiting Personalities on Video (Jet & Kevin Langeree)

[17:43 - 24:19]

• Jet Bradshaw’s new feature video praised for finally capturing his “essence”—though “unfiltered” is a stretch according to Adrian.
  • “Every time I spend time with Jet, he reminds me why he’s great for this industry.” – Colin [16:11]
• Details on behind-the-scenes work with Kevin Langeree:
  • Adrian sets the stage: Kevin is put through a comedic “interrogation” filmed in a hot, makeshift room.
    • “If you go a bit soft, you’re going to look … it’s not good. You need to be hard on them. Hard enough so that everyone knows you, you’re not being. Is a joke, basically.” – Adrian [21:54]
  • Kevin’s versatility and dedication as a brand owner, pro rider, and hands-on customer service hero highlighted.
    • “He’d be like changing a line on a customer’s bar ... and then later that evening, going out jumping over 30 meters...” – Adrian [24:02]

7. Kiteboarding Brands: Identity, Strategy, and Market Evolution

[24:19 - 27:30]

• The importance of true brand identity discussed—Reading praised for standing out visually and culturally versus the “Mercedes Benz” aspirations of many brands.
  • “Reading’s like: now, we won’t do that. Reading is bright colors, is way more fun, way more relaxed than the others ... which I really respect.” – Adrian [25:00]
• Contrast: Nick Jacobsen’s “dentists will like it” minimalist brand versus his personal fun persona.
• Colin applauds the maturing gear market: more options for different budgets and skill levels, likening it to tiered tennis rackets.
  • “I think it’s a sign of a maturing market ... not having entry level products has always held us back.” – Colin [26:15]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On endurance:
  • “People aren’t going to sleep, they’re going to be … They will kite for 48 hours. That’s what will happen.” – Colin [05:30]
• On Timo’s diet:
  • “He would put meatballs and bananas in a Ziploc bag … then he’d put his hand in there and just munch on that and keep going.” – Adrian [08:16]
• On leading a team:
  • “If I need to sacrifice a few shipmonks to get the gold, then so be it. You know, there’ll be a noble way to go.” – Adrian [11:22]
• On Jet Bradshaw:
  • “If you actually put what Jet gets up to in a video, there’s nowhere on the Internet that it would be okay to put it.” – Adrian [16:39]
• On Reading’s brand:
  • “Reading’s like: now, we won’t do that. Reading is bright colors, is way more fun, way more relaxed than the others.” – Adrian [25:00]
• On kiteboarding’s growth:
  • “I think it’s a sign of a maturing market ... not having entry level products has always held us back.” – Colin [26:15]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Sponsor speculation & team moves: 00:40–04:14
• WOO Worlds 2025 format & accessibility: 04:18–11:03
• Big Air endurance strategies & kiteboarder diets: 08:16–09:56
• Jared Plugg’s 30m jump story: 11:43–14:37
• Tarifa bushfires & community check-ins: 14:37–17:43
• Jet Bradshaw’s wild side & Kevin Langeree feature: 17:43–24:19
• Brand identity & market evolution: 24:19–27:30

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Recap & What’s Next

The hosts tease the next episode’s focus on further WOO Worlds coverage and “Road to Pro” episode releases, as well as production insights from the upcoming “How to Get Paid” series.

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This episode blends kite-industry gossip, relatable stories from the scene, playful trash-talk, and real appreciation for what makes kiteboarding culture unique—equal parts mayhem and heart. Perfect for keeping up with the real personalities driving the sport.

Transcript

[A]

You are a weasel.

[B]

We don't need that in the industry.

[A]

Do you know, you kind of look.

[B]

Like, you know, it'd be like, pinch it, pinch it.

[A]

Meatballs and bananas.

[B]

They've become sort of names in kiteboarding.

[A]

Yeah, the guy's a hero.

[B]

Jeff's his dad.

[A]

There's nowhere on the Internet that it would be okay to put it.

[B]

Nothing better than a good sort of outtake reel to finish it off. Catastrophic equipment failure.

[A]

Going for the boogaloo double just to get the landing.

[B]

Had a couple of strings and it was extremely dangerous. Guys, I sent the. And it is gold for Ellie Aldridge and gold for Great Britain.

[A]

Stein Mole, AKA Steno's left Cabrino. Where's he going to go? Adrian, tell us one word answer. Where's he going now? Now.

[B]

It's a great.

[A]

No, no. I mean, I. Nope.

[B]

I. I honestly, I can't. I can't get. Are you asking me to say one word? I can give you a thousand answers to that, but not one. One answer. If I have to guess one, which you do. I kind of feel like it's going to a brainchild. Kite, what do you think?

[A]

Oh, you've.

[B]

That's a cheat day because it comes about four brains.

[A]

You're a weasel. You are a weasel. Who do you think I'm voting? North, because he is good mates with Moraine, running SpaceX together. That's Moraine's in bed with North. I think north has got this new material. Maybe he's gone on it. He's like, yeah, so maybe that's where.

[B]

I mean, if you're going to play that angle, then you got to think SpaceX are pro limit riders and north is mystic. And I would think that maybe he'd link up with people who are pro limit, which maybe starts including Nash, as Nash are. Is Nash a potential sponsor? They don't have any big names at the moment. They've got obviously Timo Bo. Would it be someone that could back up that system? I mean, I always. I always like to look at teams and I think, you know, you need more than one guy, right? You need a couple guys. Look at the. We've seen north do that. We've seen Duotone do that in the past. We've seen Harlem do that. Right now, I just don't think it's Northman. I just think there's too many big names in that as it is. It's a stacked team. You know, brands are looking to save money at the moment, not spend more money. He's also nothing to do with Mystic? Yeah, I, I would push north off the table if I had to think about it. Duotone. It's not going to happen with Duotone, is that he's not a Duotone rider. You know, maybe doesn't leave many options left. Harlem, you know, Harlem have Leonardo Casadi on, Lorenzo Casadi, Aaron Headlow. You know, it goes down. They've got Baptiste, they've got all these guys. Are they turning into the new Best? Are they going to sign another rider and then potentially go under? We don't need that in the industry. Has Harlem got the money?

[A]

Yeah. Harlem are the latest brand to have investment and therefore buying people that you know are beyond, beyond their means. For now. They'll be needing to grow really quickly and they probably are, let's be honest. But Haarlem are a Dutch brand. They don't have a Dutch rider. Stino would make sense.

[B]

I mean, Best started signing all the big names. They had all the big guys. They had the kites.

[A]

Yeah, but it's happened lots of times. Not just Best. You could make a case for north kiteboarding being that and Harlem now. So, yeah, who else could it be? It's not going to be Joe Tone. It's not going to be core F1. There's a hole over at F1.

[B]

Well, they got Josh, you know, speaking to the people at F1. I, I think they want to take that mantra. They want to fill the bottom up and, you know, if you look at the way F1 have always their, their biggest names right there. The Maxine Shablos, the, the MeToo Monteros. They like guys or girls to come to that team and stay a long time. They like people to, to, to be with them from, from early years right through and become sort of part of the family. And Stino's, what is he, 24 now? You know, he's getting up there. I, I, I mean, I wouldn't think F1, but wouldn't be surprised either.

[A]

Okay, well, I guess we're going to find out soon here. Sh. Do you know you kind of look like, you know, hey, you have to.

[B]

Tune into the members podcast. We'll let you know what we know.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You like that?

[A]

Okay, I see. Well, I don't really like that though, but so be it. Big changes afoot over at WOO Worlds for this year, which is actually not far away. A month and a bit now, kicking off mid September, all the way through till mid October. I'm going to be fucking stacking my team full of goats.

[B]

The team disciplines, let's Talk about that, because they are, I still believe, some of the most popular events in the. In the schedule.

[A]

Big change is afoot.

[B]

Yeah. So Team Total Height and Team Total Distance being the two big ones, they've been shortened down to just 48 hours.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

Why have they done that, you think? Why do you think they've shortened it down, Colin?

[A]

Well, let me just have a think about why they might have done that. Well, Adrian, because we were just on the phone with someone at Woo. I'll regurgitate what they said.

[B]

I was trying to make you sound good, but anyway, let's just make me. Make me look like an. That's totally cool.

[A]

It's just better for inclusion, isn't it? Instead of take needing to take a week off work and go on holiday, you can just do it in two days, put a sickie on one, hopefully the other days, you know, all good. Actually, I think they're on the weekends, aren't they?

[B]

They are on weekends, yeah.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. So what this is going to do is it's going to make it far easier for everyone to partake and it's going to mean that take this really seriously. Are going to go absolutely mental. Like it's going to be. People aren't going to sleep, they're going to be. They will kite for 48 hours. That's what will happen.

[B]

Yeah. You know, when Arlen was first telling me that, I did say to him, I said, look, Alan, there are some slight problems here. You got the wear and tear on the watch because if you, you know, if you tried watches and you. And you've done the sort of Woo distance on the watch, the GPS really eats up the battery. Right. I mean, it really gets into the battery of the watch. So I think you need to be thinking big pitch, you need to think about sort of power management, you need to think about your body. Because there's people like Timo Martin, who we know very well will be literally probably riding sort of 16 to 17 hours a day, sleeping a few hours.

[A]

No, no, no, it'll be more like 22 hours a day.

[B]

You think he'll do 22 hours a day?

[A]

I don't know. But it's never windy at night or in the morning. That's Tom Bridges. That's Tom Bridges whole thing, by the way, he' nah never windy in the morning and if it is, it's not nice wind.

[B]

The top guys and the top teams, they travel for. They travel for wind, they travel to. To push hard.

[A]

So let's talk about the two. The Two disciplines that are falling under this. Okay. It's total distance. So that's going to be the actual like nutters, proper nutters. And then team Total Height, which is the first one, which means the top five. So of all your team, say like the Colin and the Shipmunks usually got like around 100 people in the team, only the top five scores count for the, for the leaderboard. And in team Total Height, it's not your highest jump, it's your accumulative height that you have jumped over that 48 hours of September 27th to September 28th. So it's from the whole of, it's the whole of Saturday and the whole of Sunday and then team Total Distance, same shit. But it's in October, it's on the last. It's on the final weekend, October 11th to October 12th.

[B]

Don't get confused with team total height versus teams max height. They're actually two different disciplines. Yeah, I think the team Total Distance is going to be very interesting because. That's a good point because it is not windy all the time. It's going to be interesting to see how the big teams approach that. The one thing I like about the Wii Worlds column is it allows the regular kiter, the people who go out, the people who love kiteboarding, to have a little bit of fame, a little bit of sort of notoriety for their, for their work they put in. That's one of the best things about the WOO Worlds. Timo Martin, good friend of ours, a kiteboarding, another one. They've, they've become sort of names in kiteboarding and they've done that on the back of being disciplined and.

[A]

No, let's be honest, Timo Martin is equally famous for smashing all the Woo team stuff to pieces. Yeah, sure. But he's equally famous for his incredibly exotic diet whilst he's doing so the first year of WOO Worlds, right, with the endurance stuff, he would put meatballs and bananas in a Ziploc bag, mash it up, right? And then he would just open it and then he'd put it down his wetsuit so it'd be like kind of warm and then he'd put his hand in there and then just munch on that and keep going. And then last year, right, he upgraded, he went to Red Bull and hard boiled eggs.

[B]

I mean, let's just think about the logistics of that. I mean, when you're kite boarding, two hands on the bar, when you turn, let's say I'm going to slide my hand in into the mystic top, you can't hit you. The Ziploc bag has to be open. Or maybe he goes down. You just ran your fingers down. Just pull out a greasy pile of shit and shove it into your face.

[A]

That's definitely what he's doing.

[B]

Where's the Red Bull can then?

[A]

No, I think. No, I think the eggs are kind of mixed in with the. With the Red Bull. They're marinated, so he must have some type of little eggy marinade.

[B]

You know, those horses, they have those blinkers, but they have those feeding baskets under them. He's probably riding with. He just as he rides, just off he goes again. But I mean, that look, guys. I mean, that's the type of commitment that if you want to be up at the very best when it comes to team total height or team total distance. That's what the Aya kite. That's what the Timo Martins, those. That's what the, you know, those. Those big guys do. And they. And they really push hard. The 48 hours.

[A]

I know you're listening. I need you, okay? There's gonna be offers. There's gonna be offers for sure flying around for you, okay? And your discipline and your dedication, your. Your determination. The 3Ds.

[B]

Discipline, dedication and determination.

[A]

Desire the 4D. And you just need to fend them off, okay? Use your shield and just think about team loyalty. Think about, you know, thinking about how my smiling little face every week when I go to check the leaderboard. And you can see that Aya's out there leading us to greatness, you know? So I lock it in. And if we need to negotiate, sure, I'm willing to come to the table, but. Yeah. And Timo Martin, I know you're not going to join my team, so see you. We'll see you on the podium, brother. I guess you'll be on a lower, lower step than we will be. But be nice to see you there regardless.

[B]

Where is Windy all day, all night.

[A]

And also, how are we going to see. We're gonna need headlights. Flash head on our head. I'm gonna have to swear something on my head.

[B]

I don't want to say something's gonna go wrong during these team turtle battles, but something could go wrong. Someone could get lost. Lost in the darkness.

[A]

Well, that's the sacrifice I'm willing to make. Like, if I need to sacrifice a few shipmonks to get the gold, then so be it. You know, There'll be a noble way to go.

[B]

Did you notice how everyone. He said sacrifice a few chick months. He didn't Mention himself at all.

[A]

Well, the leader can't go down, otherwise the people won't know what to do with themselves.

[B]

Mate, the captain always goes down with a ship. Not the HMS Carroll.

[A]

Well, the captain might, sure, but what about the bloody. What about the king? The king doesn't go down with the ship. The king's back on land looking at the ship, going, fuck, should have been on there.

[B]

Damn, that's my reputation, damn it. I would have been a great leader if I'd gone down on that bloody ship. Bring me a dinghy now. Bring me a boat. Take me out to the ship. Speaking of woo, though, there's been some massive jumps in Australia. Jared Plug there 30.6, it's the first 30 meter jump in Western Australia. He's actually second on the leaderboard there in Australia. You know, for years and years I used to on Australia saying there's no good writers coming out of Australia. Now it's like so many good riders there. The top guy in Australia is still Timo the flying German at 31.9, Jared plug yet 30.6. And then Greg Miles who we spoke about before. At 30 meters the winds were coming in around over 50 knots. I think 54 knots was the biggest gust. So yeah, pretty crazy.

[A]

Han, have you deleted it or you put it on your story?

[B]

I'll put it back up. I'll find another thing and put it in. But anyway, let's hear from Jared now.

[C]

Hi Adrian. So about that session the other day. Lined up a really good forecast for the weekend. Forecasted gas of 50 plus knots from west southwest, which makes perfect for the pond. So the session started about 8am, got down to the spot, launched, went out, got a few good gusts at the start out in the flat, but because of the way the pond is going at the moment, big swell, lots of wind, high tides, the whole pond has started to shrink substantially. So when these big gusts hit, I prefer to be on the outside where the there's a lot more downwind distance, a lot less condensed with people. So this particular gust saw a big squall coming. Went out to one of the spots where I know he's a pretty reliable right foot kicker. Hit one of the first kickers in that score. Got about 28 meters and knew that if I lined up that kicker a bit better as the gust was building, that 30 meters was definitely an option. So couple jumps later, lined up that good kicker with 50 knots and yeah, got the 30. So the gear I was riding to is a 7 meter ozone edge V12 on 22 meter lines. Just really like those 22 meter lines in that V12 edge just. I find for the 7 meter size, it just goes so high. And my technique for getting these big jumps and is just to be out in the water for as long as possible. So sessions started at. At 8am and you get finished at around 3:30. A few breaks here and there to recharge the woo. But yeah, all in all, good session. Everyone else is breaking records around there. Another little fun fact is that V12 Edge has got the king and the queen of the pond that specific kite.

[B]

Hey, Colin, did you. Did you see the fires in Tarifa?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

You didn't see the fires at all, did you? No, mate, it was crazy. Dude, I don't want this to come across the wrong way. Normally when I see bushfires, I don't really have any emotion to it.

[A]

I don't really care.

[B]

No, I mean, I didn't want to say it that way, but I just look at it.

[A]

That's what you meant, though.

[B]

I always think someone.

[A]

I always think when you see a natural disaster, you always go, someone did that.

[B]

Someone. Someone flicked a cigarette into the side of the road or someone.

[A]

Who do you think it was?

[B]

I think you know. You know those bushfires in Australia? I always.

[A]

If you had to say. If you had to accuse someone that we know who's flicking cigarettes into the.

[B]

Bush, do they have to be in Tarifa?

[A]

Yeah. No, no, no, no. It could be anyone who would do that. Jet Bradshaw would be. Yeah, I can see him doing that. Is he the most obvious? J. Bradshaw's got a new video, by the way.

[B]

Yeah, actually, I kind of liked it. I thought it was pretty good. Jets actually coming on the podcast. He'll be coming up in a.

[A]

In a week or so, but kind of liked it.

[B]

No, I liked it. I thought it was good.

[A]

Okay, because before you said you kind of liked it.

[B]

Well, okay, I mean, I liked it. It was good.

[A]

Did you go, did you watch it? And you went, that's the first.

[B]

You know what I liked about it? It was like short, sweet, to the point. It wasn't sort of stretched out and done too much. I just thought. I thought it was really cool. I just thought it capsulates Jet a bit. You know, the. The yelling, the screaming, the wildness of J. Every time I spend time with Jet, he reminds me why he's great for this industry.

[A]

Yeah, the guy's a hero, an absolute legend. The video was the closest anyone's got to capturing the essence of Jet Yeah. And the essence of Jet is epic. What I will say though is that they claim it to be unfiltered. Trust me, that is heavily filtered. If you actually put Jeff's. Jet. Jeff.

[B]

Jeff.

[A]

If you.

[B]

By the way, Jeff's is real name, by the way. Just doesn't let anyone know he's actually Jeff Bradshaw. But he put. He just calls himself Jet because it's cooler.

[A]

If you actually put what Jet gets up to in a video, it would. There's nowhere on the Internet that it would be okay to put it like it. His. He is seriously wild. Seriously wild.

[B]

Would he flick a cigarette into a. Into some dry kindling and set Trevor Hills on fire?

[A]

No, actually he wouldn't. He would. Not on purpose, by accident. Absolutely.

[B]

He could throw. But he could throw a beer bottle onto a rock or that breaks and then the sun and the 40 degree.

[A]

Heat hits and sparks.

[B]

He could do that. And then he could look at it. He would go over and try and piss on it to put it out. And then just give up and think, I'm just. I'm out of here.

[A]

No. Or he would do that. But there'd be so much alcohol in his piss that it would.

[B]

It'd be like one of those flamethrowers from the. From the Inglourious Bastards movie. Just be like dousing. Stop it, Jeff. I can't stop it, Jeff. Even I'm saying Jeff. Now. Stop it, Jeff. Come on, Jeff. That jet of fire piss will come out and he just can't put it out. Yeah, that's exactly what would happen.

[A]

And then the fire would creep up, it would start the fire would ignite the piss, and then the. It would go back to his genitals.

[B]

Pinch it. Pinch it.

[A]

Yeah, stop. And then that would be the end of Jet. And that is the way he would have wanted to go. That was the end of him.

[B]

In you know, all seriousness, I did reach out to Zara and I wrote. I reached out to Liam to see if they're okay. And obviously I heard from both those guys. No, no. But no, in this situation, when I saw those fires, I was like, damn, that looked way where Liam's house was. So I messaged Liam, he said, hey, thanks. Reaching out. Yeah, we're all safe. Got close, and I rested.

[A]

He's such a good guy. He's such a good guy person.

[B]

You know that. Did you text anyone? Did you. Did you reach out?

[A]

I didn't even know this was happening, so how could I have? But I tell you what I did. Once someone else had asked me whether Jetto is okay in Japan after that tsunami. I bloody text Jetto and I said, someone else wants to know if you're okay, Jetto. And he said, yes, I am fine. And I said, great, I'll pass that on to the person that cared.

[B]

I don't think Jitto would have even known what people were texting about.

[A]

He was asleep.

[B]

He was asleep.

[A]

And then he sends me this selfie of him and his girlfriend just smiling. And then one of the team got that picture. And then it's actually. I think that is actually a bad natural disaster. We probably shouldn't joke about that one.

[B]

Which one? The tsunami.

[A]

But, yeah, then we did draw a big wave. We chew a big wave on the selfie that he said in the background. And it is funny because you must. You must make light of a dark situation sometimes. You simply must.

[B]

Speaking of Jetto, episode four must be out this Friday. Right? Get them out of the gym. Get them back on the water. No, too much gym. We want to see water action.

[A]

There's a lot of water action in this one. And Kevin actually says my favorite thing that Kevin has ever said on video. Here it is now. So how many keflogs have you seen?

[B]

Many.

[A]

Give me some numbers. Oh, at least 20, possibly 30, which are good numbers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which ones were your most favorite ones?

[B]

And what was Pete's answer? That you'll have to tune in Friday.

[A]

To find out which ones are your most favorite ones.

[B]

He's just. He. He's so good at making Pete feel uncomfortable.

[A]

He deserves some sort of medal for coming and doing this. Should we make him a medal? Would he like a medal?

[B]

I don't want to promise anything, because we did one time promise if Liam won King of the Air, we're going to build a statue. And I'm glad that didn't happen.

[A]

I still will make a statue of Liam. Wh. If he wins King of the Air.

[B]

I think we'll probably veto that in the budget.

[A]

But anyway, let's go. I will make it out of my own personal wealth, which is. Which, as you know, is considerable. Where would we put the statue of Living anyway? No. No. So back to Kevin. So this came about by me texting Kevin, saying, kevin, what we want to do with you is going to be a bit weird, but you're just gonna have to trust us. And he went, okay. So he turns up, and we've converted a bedroom into an interrogation room and put a bit of paper over the light above to make it more like a spotlight. And it was incredibly sweaty. And he came and sat down and he said, just don't make me look like a knob. And I said, you're not going to look like a knob if you go hard. If you, if you go a bit soft, you're going to look. It's not good. You need to be hard on them. Hard enough so that everyone knows you, you're not being. Is a joke, basically. And he was like, okay. And then he just. It's the cricket equivalent of not hitting a six, but like hitting it so far out of the stadium to like hit a baddie in the face.

[B]

Did you have to show Kevin any of these clips first? Did he ask to see the whole interrogation before it was cut up into, into the pieces? Did he, did he want to okay it or he just give you the creative freedom to go for it? Because I feel like most people now, they kind of trust us a little bit. Well, they trust us a lot, I guess. Should we say to let them do this? Very rarely do I have people ask to hear stuff before it goes out. It does happen. Did he want to see it?

[A]

I sent him the stuff. I can't remember if he wanted to see it or not. But like when you're dealing with Kevin Langaray, you send him the stuff before you put it out. Especially when you've asked him to be in a sweaty room with two people he's never even seen met. But actually he had met the before. But yeah, I will actually put on Instagram what I sent to Kevin.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

[A]

Yeah, do that. It's unedited, but it's basically all the, all the best bits and then like a few croaks, which is where they just can't hold it anymore and just start laughing.

[B]

Maybe we should do an outtakes of this, of this series. Just do some classic outtakes, you know, there's nothing, nothing better than a good sort of outtake reel to finish it off.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, would be good. But Kevin Langarate, what a hero. One for trusting us and doing that, all that shit yet. But the fact that he does it whilst being a three time king of the, whilst being a brand owner, whilst being a dad is so like Kevin. What impresses me is like his ability to do all of these things all at once. Like I don't know many, I don't know any other pros that have ever existed in kiteboarding that could do all that shit, all of that to a really high level. Kevin, occasionally I would see him doing customer service. He'd be like changing a line on a customer's bar or like putting, putting someone's fins in on a customer's board. And then that afternoon, that same afternoon, coming and recording something stupid with us. And then that later that evening going out jumping over 30 meters in Blauberg and you know, on a brainchild kite that he just, you know, organized to be done. And it's just. Yeah, I just have a lot of respect for him and I feel very grateful that he came and did that for us because he really did not need to come and do that for us. He really didn't. But it was really funny.

[B]

That's the type of commitment that will make a brand successful. Right. You have to think like Nash back in the day and Cabrina back in the day done that. That's why they've got longevity. There's lots of, you know, we're talking about early on, Shannon Best and those guys Whipa, you know, there's lots of brands that have come and gone but to, to, to have longevity in the market, you need to be committed and it's super tough. So I hope people like Nick Jacobson with can take something from that and realize it's a bigger thing than just putting your name on the kite. You, you've really got to push, you really got to work hard. You've literally got to be there on the floor and, and you're right about that. You know, when they had the, the Read and shop in Blauberg there, Kevin was there every day. Every time we went there, we saw Kevin.

[A]

The last thing I will say about Reading and Kevin and why we're keen to support him in, in this endeavor and think it's epic is Reading whether it like suits you or not. Reading is like a distinctive brand within a sea of brands that all look and feel exactly the same. They're all trying to be Mercedes Benz. Reading's like, now we won't do that. Reading is bright colors is way more fun, way more relaxed than the others and I really respect that they've gone in that direction. It's way more bold. Whereas Nick, for example, you know, Nick is one of the most fun people to have ever touched a kite. That is his brand. Yet the Jacobson brand is clean cut, minimalist Danish design, presumably so that dentists like it. And I just, that's a shame because it's not rebrand, it's not one, it's not Nick, but two, every brand is trying to do that. So yeah, good on Reading for just pursuing something that hasn't been, hasn't been done yet.

[B]

I mean it kind of links into last week us talking about gong, you know, and I do like the fact that it looks like we're going to a stage where we've got, got different levels of gear in the market. Whether we've got entry level gear, let's say mid range gear, which is school gear, free ride gear, up to sort of competition. I think it's the start. I think, I think it's a sign of an established sport. Let's talk about tennis, a sport that you love, right? In tennis you have, you can buy entry level rackets, you can buy sort of good quality mid tier up to the very, very top level rackets which most people can't ride. And I think, I think kiteboarding slowly getting that way and I, I think for a long time brands were so scared to, oh, an entry level brands coming in. But I think it's a sign of a maturing market hopefully where we, we have, you know, we have multiple. And that's the thing that's always held us back, right? Not having entry level products that are available for lower socioeconomic areas. For people who just can't afford, you know, to buy an expensive high end kite, if you can, great. But there's plenty other good kites around now and I like that and I like the fact that Reading are doing things even though Read in our high end competition kites, they sort of fit into that middle bracket as well. You know, they're not as expensive as the big brands. And yeah, I think it's, I think it's a good move.

[A]

All right, that's probably enough for this episode, isn't it? Next week we will be talking Woo Worlds team registration stuff and episode four of Road to Pro will be out and then there's one more episode to go. Episode five will be the finale which will come out a week after that. We're nearing the next episode of how to Get Paid as well, which is currently in production. Actually we'll probably talk a bit about that next week.

[B]

Yeah, that's exciting. That's a big episode, eh?

[A]

It's a big episode. It's been really difficult to put together and that series has come with a lot of baggage so we can unpack what's been tricky about that and what's been the repercussions of that and what's been the successes of that as well. So yeah, tune in next week and until then, thanks for us as always. We'll see you in the next one. Bye.