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Foreign Michaela, spiritual family. Welcome to know your aura with mystic Michaela. Have you ever given to a person your time, energy, money, resources? Only to find out it was a total scam. You were duped. Chances are you walked into an empath trap. I'm going to talk about what empath traps are, who sets them up, and why you can be manipulated into falling for them. But first. Hey, Scotty.
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Hey, guys. This is interesting. I want to just tell this quickly so, you know, before we record, we talk about the topic, Right? We have conversations, throw ideas around, et cetera. And our kids are around a lot of the time. And we were talking about this topic of empath traps and all this. And then it's funny because our kids go, wait, empath traps? We call that sad fishing.
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Sad fishing.
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I'm like, wait, what? Sad fishing? Yeah. They're like, sad fishing. So, of course, I had to look it up on Urban Dictionary. Yes, it is one word, sad fishing. Okay. Not two words. One word. And it is a noun. So I'm going to read the definition and then give an example. All right, here we go. Now, the practice of writing about one's unhappiness or emotional problems on social media, especially in a vague way in order to attract attention and sympathetic response. So you could say something like, dave has been sad fishing all day on X or something like that. Or Kendall Jenner, she's just sad fishing all the darn time.
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I have one critique of that.
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Yes?
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I don't think it's a noun.
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Oh, they have it down as a noun.
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It's Urban Dictionary.
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Yeah, it's Urban Dictionary. They did put it down as a noun.
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Yeah. But sad fishing, that's hysterical. I love that they came up with that. It seems like that's what online is for.
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Yeah.
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You know, and it's interesting that the kids recognize it, I think, because we are of the generation where we didn't have online, like, this online life. And we came into it, kids are just like, oh, my gosh, that's sad fishing. Like, don't cry online. Don't act all sad for attention. That's obviously what you're doing. I love that they figured it out immediately. And it took us, like, at least from 2008 to 2012 to realize that certain people on my Facebook feed just were constantly using it as some sort of, like, journal for their vague, mysterious problems.
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And it's got to be excessive. I Look, you know, because the Urban Dictionary will give you, like, a few definitions and a few sentences and all that. And as I scroll through them. The top ones they put on first, by the way, and then they just.
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They get upvoted.
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Upvoted, Right. But yes, you have to be excessive. Like excessive pictures, pattern. Excessive videos. Excessive status about your emotional. Well, being. Vague is again, a key word. No details, no detail. Very little detail.
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Broke up. No details.
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The crying videos. Yes. You have to have these crying videos. Yeah. Selfies. You crying? Yes. That, that is.
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That's no explanation.
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Right.
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Maybe a sad quote. Right? You know? Yeah, a sad meme. And it's just like, what's wrong? You know, and they live for that. They live for you to be like, what's wrong? And they won't tell you because they just want. They just collect your attention.
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Right? Yeah, they just want. Exactly. They just want the attention. They want the comments, I guess, the likes from it. They want. I don't know what they want.
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And they just need it all the time. And then it goes away and then they come back with more.
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Right? Yeah. Because the next post they do could be joyful.
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Right. You know, you're just like, I thought you broke up with your boyfriend. Why is you two holding hands at Disney World?
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Exactly.
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Like, what happened?
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The next one is.
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And then you're like, why do I care? Right. Because that's what you get all. But these are like small. Like, that's your energy and that's a big enough thing to waste. What if you waste your money? Like, what if you waste your time? What if you waste just your life for somebody? That's an empath trap. And that's when it gets a real problem.
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Right? That's what we're going to be discussing today. All right, so we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, you're going to talk about empath traps and how to avoid them.
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So the bait of the empath trap is your personal need to, to be needed and to heal and to give and to light work and, and that's the bait that the trickster uses to trap you into their own spiral of wasting all of that beauty in you and all that, all that giving nature. And I thought about doing this, just kind of a standalone episode about empath traps because we gotta make sure we don't fall for them. And one of the reasons why is online just, you know, it's just, it's outta control. They're. The empath trap platform is hot. It's hot right now. It's been hot a while. I got on this subject because I went, you know, like a lot of us, I was like, oh. And I just started binge watching Scamander, you know, which is all these cancer scam documentaries and, and the one about Belle Gibson, who was a wellness influencer who said she cured herself with her food and then was selling an app. You know, so it's these people who never had cancer saying that they did and, and creating this huge empath trap. I mean, people are giving money to time, opportunities, business deals, speaking opportunities, attention to them, that people were giving them love and, and just grace and prayers and energy all the time. And it was truly just an empath trap. All that energy which could have been spread to those who actually need it was just wasted and extinguished in the empath trap. And if you're interested in that, I did a Bigger breakdown over on my sub stack. But I wanted to focus this episode on empath traps. Cause I don't want any of us getting stuck in one. And let me tell you, you have. Trust me, you have. Now, the cancer scam is like the king of the empath traps. I'm talking about the little, tiny empath traps that surround us all the time and are usually people in our peripheral lives. You know, like, once you know somebody and you're like, hey, wait a second, you know this isn't real, or these are people who are in your. You know, they're in your lateral life. They're not exactly in your everyday. But it's important to know what it feels like and really important to know what in you would fall for it, what in you they're looking as your weakness to grab you into the trap. Before we talk about empath traps, we have to talk about blue auras. And we'll throw indigo auras in here, too. But honestly, when I see the people doing the empath traps, it's usually the blue auras. And this is a great time to reiterate my favorite saying that I made up myself, which is auras aren't excuses, but they do provide an explanation of behavior. All right, so obviously this isn't all blue auras that do this. Just like anything, auras do not control intention. Intention is our own. Intention is something each one of us has, and we have total control of it. We just also happen to have some aura colors combined with it. Kind of gives you a cue into how someone's bad intention is going to act out if they happen to be a blue aura. And a lot of that is the empath trap stuff. So let's talk about some blues. So when blues, the way I talk about them, most. Most blue aura people are balanced, normal, selfless givers. They live to make life comfortable, peaceful, cozy for those that they love. Their true motivation is feeling the good feelings of others and feeling like they did something to assist with that. And I always say blue auras love to feel God's light in others, which is just my way of saying, you know, when you're a conduit for that unconditional love from that which is greater than us. So, like little things, you know, you need a. I bought you a coffee. You know, you're in. You know, you buy the person's coffee in line behind you, or you're volunteering and someone's hungry, and you're like, here's a sandwich. Come here. Or you're at the hospital, and you see somebody's just not having a great day and you're just like, giving them a hug. You know, it's like blue auras are just like, come here, I see you. I validate you. You're important. It creates a channel straight through the Divine. This is usually what drives a blue aura in all their life purposes. They do not usually look for pats on the back for that or any sort of gratitude, which isn't always good either. But usually that's. That's just not their motivation. You know, they just want to feel that they did something good and they facilitated that. But then what happens is there can be, like a dark side of the blue aura, the shadow side. And this is one where sometimes blue auras can start feeling resentful. Like, hey, wait a second, like, nobody ever says thank you. They stop remembering that it's a choice. Like, you don't have to constantly facilitate everyone else's validation in life. Like, you don't. Oh, you can take a break. You don't always have to do that. And you can choose who you do it for too, by the way. You know, maybe the group you're usually doing it for, you know, we're done with them. Like, they're just. They're not. This is not giving me joy anymore. And then you go work with another group, which gives you that feeling again. So I think some blue auras forget that they have choices in the matter, and then they start to feel resentful. They start to feel victimized, and they start to feel a lack of specialness. They stop connecting with the Divine as they're giving because they're just kind of over the people they're giving to. And so that can turn into like a victim blue aura thing. And listen, if you're indigo or blue, and I've been there too, so we've all been there for indigorable. You can get a little victim blue sometimes. It happens, okay? It's just kind of where you're, like, looking around, you got a little chip on your shoulder. And that's when you know you need a break. You need a break. But I'm talking extreme here. People that, you know, become really victim blue, and they decide to stay there, and they decide to stay in this. It's not just a moment or a week or a phase of life. It's like, this is me now. This is what I choose. And then they start to, you know, that that energy, that blue aura energy gets hijacked by the ego. Now, the ego is the human part of us that likes us to do the things to keep us alive, to survive, and to stay in a pattern. And the ego's not bad. It's the human part of us that just tries to keep us alive. The ego likes to keep us alive by having us be repetitive and not learn or grow or evolve or anything. Oh, the ego's annoying, but we do need it keeps us here. But anyways, so when your blue aura gets, like, hijacked by the ego, sometimes you start feeling, like, any remorse about your own vindictive feelings and actions. And so I'll say, like, not all empaths have empathy. I did a whole podcast episode on that a couple podcasts ago. They can rewrite their consciousness to say they deserve what they get and lose total sense of personal responsibility or empathy to others. They only have empathy for themselves. So empath traps are like the extreme version of when a victim blue, like, makes this into an action, and they develop it in a way to, like, cultivate and harvest attention and is basically, this is where the sob story scenarios come up to just to, you know, trap compassionate people into action. And. And this is where it gets touchy. This is where. And listen, if we're not growing, if we don't get touchy. So if what I'm about to say makes you a little defensive or makes you feel touchy, I want you to just give yourself a big hug and be like, okay. That means that it's touching something that my ego doesn't like. And when your ego doesn't, like, when it hears something, it gets touchy, you know, and that just means that underneath is the key, good stuff. And I was just telling people in the workshop the other day, because I'm doing an aura workshop right now, and I told them the other day, I'm like, you know, the more you go on this healing journey, and a lot of us understand it who are listening, the more you go on the healing journey, you live for the touchy. Like, you're like, ooh, somebody said something that made me touchy. Oh, that's good stuff under there. And then you just, like, dive in because you, you know, that's where the good stuff is, you know, so if this makes you touchy, good. All right, so here we go. So this is the part that, again, can, you know, rub you the wrong way if you're. If you haven't heard it before. The people who big time get invested in these empath traps are usually in need of recognition in their own lives. So if you've ever been like, completely 100 duped by somebody in a total empath trap. And I'm talking, like, not a here or there whatever situation. I'm talking like you were invested and you got hoodwinked. Like, you were, like, what at the end? Like, this was a con job. Like, if that happened to you, it's very possible. I'm saying that you were in need of some sort of ego recognition, and they gave it to you. Let me explain. People who create these empath traps are usually people that seem ordinary but suffering, and they create some sort of situation which is an urgent need of your support. You can save the world. You, yes, you, who never gets told thank you and does everything for everybody else and never gets a pat on the back. But I'm telling you, I need you, and you can take all that energy and you can save me and make a huge difference. And I'll tell you that you're doing that, all right? So instead of donating anonymously to, like, some big old charity, you can take that money and you can give it to my face, and I can give you something that you need, which is you're special, too. Okay? A look in the eye, a moment of adulation, a sense that you're being seen forgiving, a pat on the back that is really, really needed. And this. This person making the empath trap, they know full well how to use that need for attention and benefit from it, because that's. That's driving their whole adventure right here. They take your money, time, energy. They pour it into this empty pit. Your resources are now unable to be used for those who truly need it. But in return, they did give you something. They gave you a pat on the back to a person who may have felt very unseen themselves. Okay? The truth is, a lot of these empath traps are around us all the time, just waiting for us and baiting us to walk in. And you're more susceptible to empath traps if you're not paying attention. And your pattern is just to give whatever is around you without asking a ton of questions or worrying about validity. That is most of us, like, you know, you think about it, there could be a lot of stuff going on, and they're like, can you have five bucks for this? And it's like, okay, whatever. You know, not a big deal. I'm talking about the. I mean, they could be everywhere, and you're just like, whatever, I don't care. But the ones that really take you for a ride, those are the ones where you got to kind of look and be like, what in me signed up for that? Because that's the thing that's going to continue to get you into those situations because you're. You're. You're fresh meat for these. For these empath trap people. You are fresh meat, and you are easy pickings. So. So it's kind of like, oh, I'm gonna stop myself here. And what is it in me that signed up for that? What needed it so that I can take a step back and make sure that I have more control over that part of me? Yeah. And it's usually, like I said, if you find yourself really wrapped up in somebody else's situation, what is. What does an empath trap look like? Okay. How are they different from real problems? And these are my own things. They never end. They never end. There's always, like, a continuation. The person never leaves a crisis state. There's always some sort of development, like, oh, it looked like it was getting better, but then this happened like that. And this continues and continues and continues. And if you think about. Just think about people in your life who have had things happen or even yourself, like, there was a period of a, like, really horrific time, and then sometimes it's like silence after for a while, or just a lull or an end or just a nothing. Okay. People who do empath traps, it continues. It can continue for years like this. They always have something. It's usually eerily similar to something something else has. I'm sorry. It's usually eerily similar in Situation two. I mean, it could be a lot of things. It could be kind of lined up to some sort of problem in society. Okay. Like, oh, I was reading this one where this woman and I. Again, I put this on my sub stack. This one woman was pretending she was a disabled military veteran who was hurt on tour, and she was collecting all this money and attention and giving speeches, and she never served one day of her life in the military, you know, so she was kind of lining up with the plight of veterans that were hurt in service. Okay. Or they could line up with something Belle Gibson did, for example. Okay. Like, food. Everyone's scared of food. Everyone's scared of, like, what food can do to you. Chemicals, you know, not eating right, Additives, medicines, things like that. Well, there it is. All that stuff made me sick. And getting rid of it made me. Well, all right. So they kind of line up to a conversation that's already going on, and they can take from that. That's another thing also, it can go smaller. It can be somebody in your life that they saw something going on and then they're like, ooh, that would be cool if that happened to me. So maybe they saw a situation with their friend who was actually having real problems and they saw all the attention and love and, and service and resources that person got during that time. And then all of a sudden they, they start mimicking it and copying it. And so you got to kind of be like, hey, that's so weird that that happened to her because that happened to her sister in law like three years ago. Like that kind of thing. They will romanticize the problem. They'll talk about how this problem has been a blessing. They'll. They'll use it as some sort of. I've learned so many lessons from this. You know, they'll be kind of like a philosopher about how this horrific thing that's happened has given them such a, a new spin on life in a different, in just kind of a way where you're like, oh my gosh, like that's beyond constantly positive. We all know that people who are going through something and if you've been through something yourself, like not every day, such some sort of great day. You know what I mean? Like something like a lot of these are, you are, don't want to talk to people and you do want to be alone and you, you know, they act weird about it, almost like romanticizing it. And then they build up the people who help them through shout outs and praise. That is a big one with the empath traps. Like all of a sudden, you know, they're shouted on the social media, post a special thank you to, you know, you know who you are or Joanne for doing this or da da da. Like there's a list of people that did something for them because what that, what that signals to is kind of needier. People in the peripheral are like, oh well, I want to be special or I'm bad if I don't help or I want to make the list like that. Like very subconscious thoughts that get people to kind of want to, you know, chime in or help or it encourages other people and have no problem with any special attention received. Like they are like, keep it coming, keep it coming. And like I said, this is a tricky situation because people do have real things going on, you know what I mean? And some of these can happen and, and they, it is a real thing. So I'm just, these are just my tips for just, just taking a look and just being. I don't think it takes a lot of research to figure out if Something's an empath trap or not. I feel like you can look at something and be like, oh, yeah, that ain't real. And if I was just kind of in my zone, most of it, like I said, most of the empath trap people in your life are in your peripheral. Like, they're not your best friend or they're not like your sister or something. Like, it's. It's people on the peripheral. So you don't. You're not used to stalking their lives. Like, you're not used to noticing them day to day. You just kind of hear things here and there. You're like, that's awful. And then you give, you know, so it's kind of like understanding, just taking a little closer look, moving forward. I guess the question is, like, who the heck does this? Like, what is wrong with you? Like, yes, I talked about an aura color, and. And it does tend to be the blues. The blues gone wrong, you know, like that ego hijack. Blue auras tend to do this. And like I said, like, people that need. This isn't just a. How do I put this? Every aura color, you know, isn't bad or good at all. It just moves motivation. It moves action. So these are just like people in need, honestly, of attention. So I was just looking into this, and I would love the mental health professionals in the mystic Michaela spiritual family to Jime in. I love when you guys do that. I was looking at, like, something called factitious disorder, which they mentioned in a couple documentaries, which used to. I think it used to be called munch housings, if I'm correct. And. Or it could be some sort of, like, personality disorder, which is characterized by a need for a ton of attention. But bottom line, it is some sort of issue the person has with not getting enough attention. Like, they're craving attention. I mean, here's the deal. Like, we all need attention. Attention keeps us alive. You know? What. What do children need? We are. We are a species that needs a ton of attention in order to stay alive. So attention is fuel. Like, attention is life. Attention is survival. Attention for these people, I feel like, is addictive. Okay? It's kind of like, oh, they, you know, they just keep craving it. They never hit their limit. They never are. Like, oh, okay, wait a second. And perhaps at some point in this person's life who's putting on these constant empath traps, they didn't get enough attention, you know, and that's sad. And now they have created a whole mechanism of behavior, a whole personality around getting it and maintaining it, and they rely on it way more than anyone else does. Now, here's the deal. Just because I read so many people, I read a lot of you, and you did not have a lot of attention growing up, you know, or you went through a ton of neglect, and you don't act like this. So this isn't. People who didn't get attention act like this is. And. And I'll tell you, the ones who didn't get attention growing up, and then they see this kind of stuff. You guys are way better at picking it out than people who did get attention growing up. That's the other thing. I feel like if you didn't get attention growing up, you notice these empath reps a lot quicker than people who had some sort of, like, very safe little childhood. So that's just something I noticed because you're like, well, I could do that too, but I don't. That's attention seeking, you know? Anyways. Yeah. So now. Now they're putting on constant empath traps. Now they have created this whole need, need to keep it coming, you know, Keep it coming. That's why the empath traps usually are huge, tall tales, have a lot of developments, get a little ridiculous, you know, and that's how they usually get themselves in trouble, because somebody, usually a yellow aura is hanging around on the side. Like, that makes no sense. You contradicted yourself. That's not. Or they start talking about processes that don't. Like, that doesn't work. Like, that's not how. That's not how the world works. And you just said it worked that way. And that doesn't even work that way anyway. So who really gets hurt, you know, if you. I guess if you get pulled into these, like, hardcore pulled into these. And that's back to the touchy thing. And you. And you sit around and you're like, okay. I think I got hardcore pulled into that because I wanted to feel like I was helping and I wanted to feel an easy spot. I could be a healer or be a helper or be somebody who was appreciated. That was an, you know, that empath trap. Gave me an easy place to feel things that I wasn't feeling in other areas of my life. That's a big deal. Like, if you. If you can find that out, if you can figure that out, if you can sit there. I mean, I've had to do that, you know, in my life. If you can sit there and you can be like, okay, got it. That gives you so much power. That gives you so much More control. And that gives you so much insight and perspective. I think the big thing with the empath traps is when you are given attention by the person who has gotten a lot of attention. They let you kind of share their spotlight because you assisted them. They'll share a little attention to you. And once you don't need that anymore or you see what that is, you don't fall for it. You know, you're not. If you are like, oh my gosh, that gave me an ego boost. That made me feel safe. That made me feel, like, seen and appreciated and validated. Hold on a second. I can do that in other ways that are actually also creating that connection with the divine and not wasting my energy. You know, it can feel very defensive at first, but then gradually you're like, oh, I feel a lot more in control and power. I'd love to hear your stories about empath traps or getting stuck in these situations or finding one out. I feel like. Or be like, hey, wait a second. Or, you know, figuring it out or. Or helping other people get through, you know, seeing things for what they are. I'd love to hear those stories because I feel like there's a lot here. 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Hey, guys. All right, so the way this came about, this episode about Empath Traps, was you were watching one of your shows. You have a lot of shows.
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I do.
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I have no shows. I don't watch anything. The only time I watch something is if I catch you watching it. Or once in a while when you tell me you have to watch this one.
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Correct.
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Okay. So, like, you told me we have to watch this one called Severance. So we. So I'm starting that one. Yeah, we watched one episode. Apple TV was running a special. So I'm like, all right, I'll get it right. $2.99. Can't beat that.
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Okay.
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I don't know. We'll see. But so you know, you were watching one of your shows.
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Okay. So random.
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This is random time. Okay. Your speech is over with. We could have some fun. All right, so.
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It'S like your rambles.
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Yeah. So you're watching the show Scamander. Okay. And I'm like, all right. What is this?
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You know, you're welcome, by the way.
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Why?
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Because.
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Why?
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Because without me, you'd have no culture. You'd have none. You would just sit there staring at a wall. Like, sometimes they catch you just in the corner of the couch, just staring into space.
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That's. That's.
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And then, like, even the kids notice. Like, what are you thinking about? You're like, nothing. And we're like, what are. Like, literally, you're welcome.
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That's my staring seat.
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Like, you and the cat. I turn you around, I put you from the tv, and I'm like, here. You know, like, learn something or watch something. You're welcome. Otherwise, you'd watch nothing. You just stare.
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This is actually 100% correct.
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A
And then I get crap for it. You're like, this show wasn't that. And after I have you watch a show, I hear how it wasn't good.
- [30:45]
B
Well, sometimes it's good. But you're right. I would never. I don't think I've ever presented a show to you that we should watch together.
- [30:52]
A
No.
- [30:53]
B
Or have you Watched. I've never done that. I actually, you're right. I would never pick. I wouldn't watch anything. You're correct. The only thing actually I would watch would be just like 1950s reruns.
- [31:02]
A
Yeah, that's true.
- [31:02]
B
Like, that's what I would pick. And that goes back to, you know, me. I think I have to go. I have to get this done. By the way, this is getting way off topic. I have to get my past lives, whatever, read.
- [31:13]
A
You were definitely from the 50s.
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B
I think I'm from the 50s.
- [31:16]
A
I think you were from the 50s. And then I think you probably served in Vietnam or had something to do with Vietnam because you're so. You were so into that time period.
- [31:24]
B
I'm pretty sure of it now. And this is weird for me to say that I believe in this stuff, but when I watch these like. Like Leave it to Beaver or the Honeymooners, I feel like a sense of, like, calm. Like, it's like it just, you know, I never saw these shows.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, I wasn't born then, so.
- [31:41]
A
Right.
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B
But like, I feel like when I watch those shows, it's like, ah, just like. I just love it. Like, I want to be transported into that time.
- [31:49]
A
Yeah, you love movies from that time. Yeah.
- [31:52]
B
Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe that's. But anyway. All right, so.
- [31:54]
A
But anyways, that's all you get back to.
- [31:56]
B
Yeah. What we're talking about. Okay.
- [31:58]
A
All right, so set that up. Just watching, Living my life. People watching Scamanda. All right. Because I wanted to do a sub stack about it, and I did do a sub stack about it, and I really deep dive into Scamanda and some other infamous cancer scams over on my sub stack. You can check that out there.
- [32:15]
B
But.
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A
But I had it on. And you come in and it was like this scene that they do have on loop where she's talking to her church or something about how she has cancer, but she's great or whatever. And, you know, obviously it was all a lie. The whole thing with Scamanda is this cancer scam, total lie. She duped her congregation, you know, friends, family, like, everyone to give her all this money. She had a blog. I mean, it was like over the top. You know, the Fed's founder, she doubled down. I mean, it was like crazy. Then she got a new job as a principal and then was like getting money out of them. Like, it's nuts. This girl just couldn't stop. But anyway, so it's a scene. You come in and you're just like three Seconds in, you're like, who believes this? Who'd listen to her? Who'd give that person money? Well, let me see your medical paperwork.
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B
Right.
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A
Who says you got cancer? That's got. And which is good because you'll probably never get involved in a cancer scam. No. Or an empath trap because you ask too many questions. These people hate the questions.
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B
Yeah, agreed.
- [33:14]
A
That's a good tactic.
- [33:15]
B
Yeah.
- [33:15]
A
Well, you.
- [33:16]
B
You bring up two great points there.
- [33:17]
A
Oh, do I?
- [33:17]
B
The first point you break bring up is when you. They make these documentaries. I don't know who made this. Hulu, you said.
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A
Right, yeah.
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B
Or Netflix.
- [33:24]
A
No, Hulu did this one. Yeah.
- [33:25]
B
Yeah. Whenever they do these anywhere, either channel, whatever, they have like three pictures. They continuously show you.
- [33:30]
A
That's true.
- [33:30]
B
Yeah. They can't. Like, all I saw was this one scene where she was talking at her church, like, over and over again, loop. And then they had like the one picture of her face, like, all.
- [33:39]
A
Yeah. You know, she had one photo shoot and they could not stop using those photos.
- [33:46]
B
And then they would like, show you sometimes, like, part of. She had a blog. And then they'd show you, like, things in her blog. So, yes, the first thing I would do is go and look up that blog. Before I gave any money or believed her, I would go and, you know, look up the things in the blog just to make sure they were legit. And, like, it turned out none of them were legit. But anyway, here's where it gets a little dicey.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay, now I'm going to say something. I might here might be a little controversial for people. They might get upset with me. I hope not. Okay, first I'll start off by saying, yes, this lady is scum. That. That is just total scum thing to do. Horrible human being.
- [34:24]
A
Yeah, terrible.
- [34:26]
B
There's just disgusting. Okay. But they also showed some of the victims, the people that gave money or did whatever. And you know, a couple of them, it was, you know, I'm on the fence with this. With how. Okay, so let me just give one example. And if you didn't watch the show, it doesn't matter. Just this is the type of person.
- [34:50]
A
Right.
- [34:50]
B
So the one person decided that she was going to donate blood.
- [34:54]
A
Blood, Platelets.
- [34:55]
B
Yeah. To help her because, you know, she probably needed that. And she probably wrote in her blog, I need this, this, and this.
- [35:01]
A
Right. She donated. Just to clarify, because you don't understand medical stuff. You can't, like, donate it to a person. You just donate it in general. And then she did it in honor of her.
- [35:09]
B
Oh. In honor. Okay, fine, whatever.
- [35:11]
A
I just wanted to let you know.
- [35:12]
B
And then they showed this lady. I don't know if you're gonna remember her colors or not, but they showed this lady going to get the blood work done, and she brought with her, like, stickers of Amanda, and she brought, like, cards of Amanda, and she brought, like, note thing, like, little notes that she had. And she talked about how, you know, all the doctors and nurses. She told the story about Amanda and she, like, with. With pride, almost. With, like a real pride.
- [35:39]
A
Right.
- [35:40]
B
In what she was doing, which. Fine, okay, whatever. And then one of the times, Amanda wrote about her in her newsletter, her blog, she wrote about this girl that went to donate in my name. Whatever. And this girl was so elated.
- [35:57]
A
Yeah.
- [35:57]
B
That Amanda mentioned her. She got a mention in the blog. She was on cloud nine.
- [36:05]
A
Yes.
- [36:07]
B
And to me, yes. She had fallen into, obviously, the empath trap. She fallen into the empath.
- [36:13]
A
Yeah. Deep.
- [36:15]
B
But I have to say, you know, it. This person. There. I don't want to say there's blame for this person, but there, you know, this person was getting something out of this, too.
- [36:26]
A
Yeah.
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B
What was she getting out of it? So the. What was she getting out of the empath trap? Well, she was getting out of it. The recognition from Amanda.
- [36:35]
A
Yeah.
- [36:36]
B
And she was getting from the doctors and nurses, the recognition. Like, oh, look at you. You. You're such a great person. Here I am. Look at me travel. I drove 45 minutes to get blood work done for someone else in their name. Look at me. Look how great I am, too. Then when it was featured in the blog, it just made her probably feel like, oh, my God, I'm famous. You know.
- [36:57]
A
She said that?
- [36:57]
B
Yeah.
- [36:58]
A
So I don't know. That's why it's touchy.
- [37:03]
B
It was touchy. It was hard for me at the end.
- [37:05]
A
At the end.
- [37:05]
B
I don't know if we could give this away that she did get sentenced. Amanda.
- [37:10]
A
It's an old story. Yeah.
- [37:11]
B
Yeah. It was hard for me to, like, feel bad for that lady, you know, because. Yes. Did she get duped? Yes. Did she know she was getting duped? Actually, I think part of her did know she was getting duped because she also said a couple of things, such as, you know, because I guess the lady had a port. Amanda had a port.
- [37:29]
A
Well, she. I know that right away in the blog. I'm like, where's the port? Right. That stuff.
- [37:35]
B
She had, like, a phony one.
- [37:36]
A
That's nasty. That stuff's like. If you've ever Had a port or know somebody or love somebody with a port like that is hardcore right there. Yeah.
- [37:44]
B
And the lady even said in the documentary that that did seem a little fishy.
- [37:47]
A
Right.
- [37:47]
B
But I just let it go. So the lady probably didn't want to find the truth. She didn't want to do any research into this dissonance. Yeah, right, yeah, exactly.
- [37:56]
A
So it's powerful. Where do you.
- [37:59]
B
I mean, so at the end, she got the sentencing and, you know, of course, sure. You know, it's great that she did get the jail sentence because she's, you know, the one reason I believe is she just continues. And when she gets out, she'll do it again.
- [38:11]
A
She'll always do this.
- [38:12]
B
Yeah. This is her life. There's. There's no rehabilitation here. It's just keeping her off the streets for X amount of years.
- [38:19]
A
Maybe give her a record, people can find it.
- [38:22]
B
I'm sure people that were near her in the cell got the same old story. So, you know, they're donating whatever to her in jail.
- [38:29]
A
Here's my ramen noodles.
- [38:30]
B
Right. The commissary. Here's my coins for the commissary. So, yeah, here, take my jumpsuit.
- [38:38]
A
Okay. Yeah.
- [38:38]
B
So anyway.
- [38:41]
A
Yeah.
- [38:41]
B
So there. Yes, again, let me just say this. This woman was horrible. This is a horrible thing to do. It's bad karma, bad everything.
- [38:50]
A
Yeah.
- [38:51]
B
But, you know, a couple of these people, I don't know, I didn't feel so bad as I do in, like, some of these other documentaries I think that I see.
- [38:58]
A
Yeah. And I talked about that just, just now in my spiel before about how it's touchy because, like, when you fall for an empath trap and we've all fallen for him. That's the other thing, by the way. Like, at some point in our life, we've all fallen for the person who always has flipping problems, you know, in some way, shape or form. And it's touchy because if you really look back to that part of yourself, it's like, ooh, you know, what in me needed that? Like, what in me needed that? I think people like Amanda Scamanda and people like her, and even on a lesser scale, people who wouldn't do that but are still wasting time and stuff, you know, they exploit vulnerabilities. They exploit vulnerabilities and they're. And we're not always in a great place in life, you know, so there's different phases of life we can be in where we're more susceptible to being duped just because of what's going on. But, yeah, that was a lot. Yes. And I think every time I read one of these stories, there's always somebody who is in it because, oh, this. You remind me of my other situation. Or, like, they're too distracted by their own stuff sometimes even, like, this one other lady that was helping Scamanda, she had just lost. I forget, was it her boyfriend or something? She had just lost somebody in her life she loved so much, and she was just writing checks and thousands of dollars to her over and over again because she couldn't save who she loved. So she's like, well, I'm gonna save you then. So she was blinded by her own guilt or her own survivor's guilt or her, you know, and making some sort of connection that wasn't there, you know, but again, she was in, like, a weird spot in life that made her, you know, more easily manipulated.
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B
Yeah. And I guess that's a worse scenario.
- [40:38]
A
Yeah.
- [40:38]
B
But what about when. But, you know, just to flush this out more. But what if you. You are getting, like, you know, it went down to a monetary number that she scammed people out of? $100,000 or $106,000, which is low.
- [40:53]
A
Right? Yeah, I think she did way more than that. Yeah, I'm sure that's what they could find.
- [40:57]
B
Yeah. Yeah. I've known people that have done that. Yeah. Don't have a documentary.
- [41:01]
A
Right. We're in Florida. Okay. That's what we mean to say.
- [41:06]
B
Yeah.
- [41:08]
A
So no idea what goes on around here.
- [41:10]
B
You guys just, like, chub chains.
- [41:12]
A
No clue what happens around here.
- [41:14]
B
No, you do. So. Okay. But, you know, and look, most of those people were the guy, the person that gave, like, let's say I'm just trying to put myself in those shoes. Yeah.
- [41:22]
A
All right.
- [41:22]
B
I gave $50.
- [41:23]
A
Right.
- [41:24]
B
What would I think when the story broke? Yeah. I mean, I do a red rant, be like, yeah. I'd get all mad and, you know, throw something, and then I'd be like, all right, fine.
- [41:34]
A
Right.
- [41:34]
B
So those. Those small jump change. All right, whatever. But what about. But some of these people, again, they did gain currency. Like, they got their money's worth. That's what I was trying to say with the one lady.
- [41:46]
A
The one lady, like Scamanda, provided a service.
- [41:49]
B
She provided. That's. And that's. What I'm saying is controversial, and I'm hoping people don't get mad at me for this.
- [41:53]
A
I didn't hear you say it that way.
- [41:56]
B
Now I'm trying to flush that out. Like that lady that got Mentioned in the blog. I don't know if she gave money, too, but I feel like she got paid like. Like she got what she paid for.
- [42:05]
A
Oh, that is controversial.
- [42:06]
B
That's very controversial. I know it's controversial.
- [42:09]
A
You're so edgy today. But. But so edgy.
- [42:12]
B
But in essence, she got something because, like, money. Money. Just money. Money is just. What's money Scamander.
- [42:17]
A
To agree with you.
- [42:18]
B
Yeah. Money.
- [42:18]
A
She'd be like. Exactly what I'm saying.
- [42:22]
B
I know. If I'm. Because she's. She was not for the. For the person that gave the $50 donation. Ripped off.
- [42:29]
A
Yeah.
- [42:30]
B
And that's what's bad. But for that lady, she was providing a service.
- [42:32]
A
Yeah. You made the blog.
- [42:33]
B
You made the blog. That lady lit up.
- [42:35]
A
Yeah. And then she got to be on a documentary. Talked about it.
- [42:38]
B
Exactly.
- [42:39]
A
The fun continues.
- [42:40]
B
So she did get something in return.
- [42:42]
A
You know what? I can't disagree with you. I can't disagree with you.
- [42:47]
B
So what do we make is there?
- [42:48]
A
I just would rather. Yes. I can't disagree with you. I guess. I mean, that's true. That's crazy.
- [42:54]
B
That's a. Yeah, I know. I'm looking at it from a very logical red perspective.
- [42:58]
A
That's interesting. But that's an interesting way to look at it.
- [43:01]
B
Some of these people got something in return.
- [43:03]
A
Yeah. The lady, by the way, who you're talking about, if you guys know the pod, she was very turquoise and purple.
- [43:09]
B
Okay. That was her.
- [43:09]
A
So. And, you know, she sometimes blues and turquoises. The blues. How do I put it? Like, kind of like cult like or parasocial relationship issues, I think fall a lot with blues and fall a lot with turquoises. So I think that that's kind of like they lose themselves in it more and.
- [43:32]
B
Yeah. Yeah. I think the worst is, you know, just going back to that sad fishing again.
- [43:36]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [43:37]
B
I think the worst is, like, when you see it from an outside perspective and, like, you're seeing it and you're just, like, you're not in it. Like, if you were in this commander thing, it'd be hard to see, but, like, let's say you were the outside person.
- [43:48]
A
Okay.
- [43:48]
B
And then you just see this on social media. Like, let's say there's a natural disaster.
- [43:52]
A
Yes.
- [43:53]
B
And, you know, everyone in that area is in the national disaster. Right?
- [43:57]
A
Yeah.
- [43:57]
B
But then there's that one person. Woe is to me.
- [44:00]
A
Right.
- [44:01]
B
Oh, I don't have this. I don't have that. I'm missing this. I have no toilet paper. I don't. You Know, I have no. Whatever. Electricity, whatever, but. And then you see, like, other people, like, going to help them.
- [44:12]
A
Yeah.
- [44:12]
B
They fall in for that person's empathy.
- [44:15]
A
That was like. That's like Spencer and Heidi with the wildfires.
- [44:18]
B
Yes.
- [44:19]
A
It's like every. Like a lot of people lost their.
- [44:21]
B
That's what was.
- [44:21]
A
Not that they didn't.
- [44:23]
B
Right.
- [44:23]
A
But it was. They were like, oh, cool.
- [44:25]
B
Right? Perfect. Thank you so much. Yeah, that's what bothered me.
- [44:28]
A
Yeah.
- [44:29]
B
I am fired up today.
- [44:30]
A
Yeah.
- [44:31]
B
That's what bothered me about them. It was like, wait a second. There's like, people that are not. That didn't. Weren't on a garbage reality show that are going through the same thing.
- [44:40]
A
Sure.
- [44:41]
B
And they're not doing all this. You're the only two people asking for this and asking for that and help me with this.
- [44:48]
A
And what happened?
- [44:49]
B
Get her song. The number one. That's garbage.
- [44:50]
A
But anyway, I'm saying that. Of course I'm not. How do I put it? Like, they're victims of what happened to they lost their whole house.
- [44:57]
B
Yeah. But so are the others.
- [44:59]
A
He's smart enough and he's like, oh, cool, look at this. There's all this whole world that wants to help. They all want to help. Right now they're watching it on tv. We're all watching LA Burn. It was awful.
- [45:09]
B
Right?
- [45:10]
A
It was awful. We were all watching you guys there and we were like. Everyone was just like, oh, my God, I want to do something. And he was like, oh, well, here we go. You know, download our song, send us money, do this, do this, do this. And it's like, I'll give you lots of tasks so that you don't feel helpless anymore. But all the tasks were like, for them.
- [45:30]
B
Right.
- [45:30]
A
You know, Whereas some people are like, well, I'll give you lots of tasks, but it's collective. He's like, no, no, no. And then he was reposting people stories.
- [45:38]
B
Well, there it is.
- [45:39]
A
So if you put up like, oh, I'm. I listened to Heidi's song, I'm downloading it. He's like, oh, he was reposting them like crazy. Or he was commenting on people's stuff. He was giving you the praise. He was giving you the shout out. He gave you the payback.
- [45:52]
B
He gave. That's what I was saying.
- [45:53]
A
So it was a service he provided. Yeah, yeah.
- [45:56]
B
He provided you, like, if you donated and he shouted you out.
- [46:00]
A
Right.
- [46:01]
B
You got probably more than he did.
- [46:02]
A
But yeah, but listen, like, yes. And that's. That's a good example of what you're talking about. That's interesting.
- [46:10]
B
Yeah.
- [46:11]
A
And that's like, a bigger scale.
- [46:12]
B
I actually feel, like, really. Right for once.
- [46:16]
A
What you always feel right. That's not a new feeling for you.
- [46:20]
B
Yeah. But anyway. All right.
- [46:21]
A
Indicated.
- [46:22]
B
Well, look, I.
- [46:23]
A
You're saying it takes two to Scamanda.
- [46:26]
B
Exactly. You know, it's weird because, like, you know, I think I watch you. You know, like, we started off the segment with, you know, I see you watching the documentary or whatever, and I sit down with you, and I've seen a couple others like that.
- [46:38]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [46:38]
B
And I don't want to get into them now. Like, the mom. Oh, the kids fluency, and I'm like, human mad.
- [46:42]
A
Just so they know. The Netflix documentary was, like, bad influence. The Dark side of Kid fluencing. I forget what it's called. Something like that.
- [46:49]
B
Right. And I'm like, at the. By the end of this, I want this lady, like, to be roasted, you know, the mom.
- [46:54]
A
Yeah.
- [46:55]
B
Right. But, like, at this point in the end, like, I'm happy she got the. The jab. And I was like, okay. You know, I wasn't like. It wasn't like. It didn't give me that, like, red rank, you know, it didn't give me that red fire. The. The verdict.
- [47:07]
A
I can't stand people like that, though. No, I. I agree. Yeah. But I just, like, maybe because you just would never fall for that.
- [47:13]
B
I would never fall. That.
- [47:14]
A
I know, but a lot of people would. It's kind of like. It's like a virus. It's just like she's out there, you know, it's like, so infectious and so flipping annoying. These people.
- [47:22]
B
Yeah, well, I'm about to lay down my own empath trap.
- [47:27]
A
Oh, okay.
- [47:28]
B
So here it is. Passports.
- [47:31]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [47:32]
B
We went to the passport office.
- [47:35]
A
Wait, is this a. This is a pivot.
- [47:37]
B
This is a pivot. Yeah, we're done talking. Yeah, overtime, Whatever.
- [47:40]
A
Overtime. Oh, you can leave.
- [47:42]
B
You can leave now. Go ahead and go. But if you want to stay, it's up to you.
- [47:47]
A
Always sad.
- [47:48]
B
Yeah.
- [47:48]
A
Are you okay? You're kind of being vague about it.
- [47:50]
B
I'm laying the trap. I'm putting the bait.
- [47:51]
A
Yeah, we know.
- [47:56]
B
I'm gonna make a video of myself crying. Post it too.
- [48:02]
A
Oh, my God.
- [48:02]
B
Yeah, so that when you see your favorite influencer crying, you'll see me right after it. I'm gonna hit the algorithm. It's all, like, crying videos. But anyway, so, yes, the saga is we. Well, we don't know if it's over now, but we. We did do the We. I know you guys have been following along in our. In our trap. And we finally went to the. The appointments, we did the photocopying. All for nothing.
- [48:25]
A
All right, well, we.
- [48:26]
B
But, yeah, you can. You can. You can take it away.
- [48:29]
A
The passport office. Let me explain what these are to you. I don't know what they are. In your neck of the woods.
- [48:34]
B
Yeah, I don't know what this is.
- [48:36]
A
They are the seventh layer of hell. The seventh circle of hell.
- [48:41]
B
Yeah, ours was in this rundown post office, I think. I think it was a post office.
- [48:47]
A
I don't know. I hope it was. I checked the Yelp first office on the way.
- [48:54]
B
On the way, on the way.
- [48:55]
A
And the Yelp said things like, this place is unsanitary. The air conditioning doesn't work. And then the big thing was, like, watch out for Bridget. Bridget's the worst person in the whole, whole world. And, like, there's a gazillion, like, yelps about how awful Bridget is, and Bridget runs the passports, and, like, look out for Bridget.
- [49:16]
B
And of course, as soon as we walk in there, there's Bridget. Well, screaming and yelling, but yeah. Yeah. Anyway.
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A
Well, yeah, we get there, and of course, the air conditioning isn't working because Yelp's always right. And then we. You know, it's not an office. It's just a. Like a. A room. A very humid room with. With a gazillion people waiting for passports, too, even though we made an appointment. And then there's a very tall blonde lady with a name badge named Bridget, and she was just helping everyone out of order. Like, good luck being yellow there, because. Line. What line? It's whoever Bridget felt like helping.
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B
Well, that. And that did set off your gsd. Yellow.
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A
Yeah. Well, I was just like, am I in the right spot? Like, I didn't mean to be all, like, that way about it, but I was. I was just like, oh, excuse me. Excuse me. Like, am I in the right spot? But they're so used to Karen's there that I think they immediately were like, get back in line, lady. Yeah, okay. Shut up. And I'm like, I'm sorry. I really was just asking if I was in the right spot because I.
- [50:15]
B
Wasn'T sure they thought you were a Karen.
- [50:16]
A
I know. I felt like one. I was just like. Literally, all I did was ask, am I in the right spot? Because everyone was being helped out of order.
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B
Okay. Yes.
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A
It was just whoever Care. Whoever Bridget wanted to help.
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B
Right? And there I was. I felt my red was pretty good. I didn't have a. I didn't go. You know, I was saying I was pretty calm. Pretty calm. But my red did get set off because. Yeah. Let me just explain this as well. There is stuff everywhere.
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A
Everywhere.
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B
There's boxes, there's chaos, papers. Nothing's in order. It's like. I don't know how. I also mailed a couple things out that day.
- [50:52]
A
It's a post office.
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B
I'm hoping those things. Yeah, I mailed out a couple of books, you know, signed books of yours. And I'm hoping those books got to those people.
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A
You walk up to the counter, give somebody your package. I am not joking. When they toss it over their shoulder onto the floor, I was like, oh, my God. There was, like, just a pile of just, like, trash behind these people.
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B
Yes.
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A
And I'm like, scott, I don't know. But you're there. You know, you're in it, you know?
- [51:18]
B
Yeah. They also sold gift cards there. And I'm just so curious, like, if I was gonna buy one just to see if it would work. Yeah. Like, there's no way that gift card working.
- [51:29]
A
You know? Like, people. They say don't buy gift cards, like, because people come in and steal, you know, steal the numbers. That plays 100%.
- [51:37]
B
I just. I wanted to give that to someone as a joke, like. Like, here you go. Here's an Oligar gift card.
- [51:41]
A
It was scam.
- [51:42]
B
Like. And then they get. Give it to the waiter because somebody. What is this? Yeah.
- [51:48]
A
Like, that place was crazy. So we finally get. When Bridget finally sees us, and we get helped. It probably doesn't help that my inauthentic yellow is, like, blaring. When I wear my inauthentic yellow, I know I come off, like, very stressful, like, a little frazzled and on. And I think I do come off unlikable.
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B
Okay.
- [52:04]
A
I do. Shirley.
- [52:07]
B
Shrilly. I call it Shrilly.
- [52:09]
A
But let me tell you, I brought every single document I've ever had about any of us ever.
- [52:13]
B
And. But they didn't want any of that.
- [52:15]
A
No, but we. They did ask for Breeze. Social Security.
- [52:18]
B
Oh, that's true.
- [52:19]
A
And that was not on any checklist.
- [52:21]
B
No.
- [52:21]
A
I'm glad I got it.
- [52:23]
B
So here.
- [52:23]
A
I hope that's what they wanted it for.
- [52:25]
B
Now, this is what.
- [52:25]
A
That's.
- [52:25]
B
Okay, so that's the part where Read was starting to freak out. You're like, identity theft, because they take everything from you. They take your Social Security cards. They took our. Our birth certificates, the originals, and then they go into a dark, like, another room. A dark room with it all.
- [52:39]
A
With a lot. They lock.
- [52:41]
B
Yeah. You don't. They just. Like, some guy just comes over to you, takes it all.
- [52:44]
A
I don't know him.
- [52:45]
B
I don't know you. And then just leaves.
- [52:47]
A
He just left.
- [52:48]
B
He just left. And then Bridget was gone.
- [52:50]
A
Her driver's left.
- [52:51]
B
I don't know where Bridget went to. Like, for half hour, she was gone.
- [52:53]
A
Bridget left.
- [52:53]
B
And you're just sitting there, and you're like, are they making. Like, what are they doing with that? Are they, like, right now? Are they leasing a car? What are they doing with my stuff?
- [53:01]
A
They're buying all the gift cards.
- [53:03]
B
Yeah, they buy the gift card, take it out of mortgage. I don't know. You know, the number one thing I always hear people say is don't give away your Social Security card and your birth certificate and your license.
- [53:16]
A
We just handed everything over.
- [53:17]
B
Every piece of documentation I had. It was. Was with this guy.
- [53:21]
A
That stranger was a stranger. Not even Bridget?
- [53:24]
B
No, not even Bridget.
- [53:25]
A
Some other guy.
- [53:26]
B
Bridget went to lunch. I think Bridget took lunch. She took lunch.
- [53:28]
A
And then you go up.
- [53:29]
B
Of our process.
- [53:30]
A
Yeah. And then you go up there. Meanwhile, there's, like, lines for. People are getting fingerprinted.
- [53:35]
B
I'm like, yeah, what was that?
- [53:36]
A
There's packages everywhere. So we go up, and it's time to pay, and whatever you pay, and I'm really proud of you. And then, you know, he just puts it, and it's just there. Like, our birth certificate, our Social Security numbers, checks, checks with routing numbers. Like, everything are just sitting on the counter where all the other stuff is just. And we just walk away. And we're like, that's it. He's like, that's it. And I'm like, okay. And we walked away, and it was just out. Like, anybody could have just snatched it or looked at it or took in a picture of it or anything.
- [54:07]
B
I'm like, do you think, what are the odds we're getting any of this stuff back? Like, what is the odds that someone doesn't take out a timeshare in my name next week? That's what I'm thinking in my head.
- [54:18]
A
100%. This is. They have our. They have everything.
- [54:22]
B
Everything. So I did.
- [54:23]
A
So that we're undocumented right now, right?
- [54:26]
B
We are.
- [54:27]
A
This is not good.
- [54:28]
B
Yeah. We're gonna wind up in El Salvador.
- [54:30]
A
Not the climate, so.
- [54:32]
B
So, I mean, I left and it was done, but I also feel like. I don't know. But we did get an email.
- [54:38]
A
We did.
- [54:39]
B
From the U.S. department of State or whatever. It's called.
- [54:42]
A
I don't know why that.
- [54:43]
B
U.S. department of State.
- [54:44]
A
Yeah, I think it's called that.
- [54:46]
B
Yeah, that's what they told me to ran the checks. Anyway, it says they did receive the applications.
- [54:49]
A
Right.
- [54:50]
B
And they did cash my check.
- [54:51]
A
They did cash your check. Oh, that's the first thing they'll do.
- [54:53]
B
Yeah. So I notice all my checks have been cashed.
- [54:55]
A
Yeah.
- [54:56]
B
So I'm happy about that. I feel there's hope here.
- [54:58]
A
Okay.
- [54:59]
B
I'm feeling hopeful.
- [55:00]
A
We'll keep you guys updated. We know you care.
- [55:01]
B
No, I don't think anyone cares. This is overtime.
- [55:05]
A
Three people are with you and they care.
- [55:06]
B
Right?
- [55:08]
A
All right, well, this podcast is for you and about you. And we're so glad you spent some time with us today.
- [55:26]
C
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