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The Know youw Gear Podcast the Know youw Gear Podcast is brought to you by Patreon members, Channel members and viewers who like and subscribe. Thank you for making this possible. Hey everyone. Welcome to the Know youw gear podcast, episode 428. I'm gonna hit things just in the order I feel like talking about. And the first one was I don't even have a particular email or question to focus on because I got so many asked so many different ways. But of course there was some new product drops this week. We're gonna talk all of them, but one in particular stood out above the rest. And that was. What was it? Let's share what it is. It was the new boss PX1 plug out FX pedal. And boy, this was the highlight of the week. If you don't know, this is a Boss pedal size Boss pedal. I know that sounds weird to say like that, but just understand that it's a Boss pedal that looks like a Boss pedal. Same size as a Boss pedal, but it has a massive difference. And one, it's $249. So it's kind of expensive. 250 bucks. And it holds 16 different effects up to up to 16 different effects. Eight effects I think is what comes in its presets. So you get eight different effects. Does it tell you the effects? Is it in the description? Yeah, eight included effects. Look at that. You can get overdrive from 1977 or you. You can get the SP1 spectrum. You can get the pH1 phaser, the CS1 compressor sustainer, the TW1. Wah. Wow. Really? The T wall DS1? Are these the ones that people want anyways? Okay. The SG1 slow gear. Oh great. The pedal that is worth a fortune but nobody really cared about. And the SD1 Superdrive. I think the SD1 Super Overdrive and the DS1 are kind of the go tos. The compressor is one of my favorite. Just really the Tiwa was. I don't know, maybe I'm reading wrong, but additional pedals via the Boss Effect Loader app. Yeah, that's right. You can get more effects. Here they are. So let's talk about the. The, the pedal. By the way, you also. What else do you get? You get it has a USB C port, so that's kind of cool. A 9 volt DC power supply. This seems to be the pedal to get 250 bucks. You get, you know, eight different effects and I could see why everyone in the world is rushing towards it now. I think I got asked this question a lot because a lot of you know that I'm a huge boss fan. I used, I used to have a huge collection of boss pedals. It's definitely streamed down now to just my favorite boss pedals. But I very rarely. It's almost never not have a boss pedal on my pedal board. My current pedal board today that I'm running today has the boss tremolo pedal on it for sure. And, and a week ago it would have had the boss and the, the looper, but I switched back to. To the TC looper. I kind of just depends on what I'm mood. I'm in love boss. So the question was, you know, what do I think of this? I absolutely hate it. I hate it on so many levels. And you know how I say things on the show. 450, whatever episodes. Did I say I don't hate things? Oh, you know what? I guess I do hate things. I really dislike the whole thought of this pedal. First of all, as someone who's done videos of pedals, first of all, I'm going to just show you. Of course I've talked about this before. I absolutely love and still love the HX1 by line 6. Now I also have the M5. And if you can buy the M5, you know, because they don't make it anymore, you can get them, you know, for 100 bucks. They are fantastic. Every bit you'll ever need. Need 100 effects, all of them quality. True. Bypass sounds great. It's a little big. This is a little smaller. This has more. This has 200 effects. Some improved sounds in my opinion, but mostly it's smaller. And you can find these for about 250 if you look. So same price as the boss, so more effects. So I know what you're thinking. Like, hey, yeah, well, okay, the Boss comes with eight and this comes with 200. And they're the same price. Ish. You know, like I said, you could pay 300 for this if you get. Don't get it on sale. So that's why you don't like it. Nope. Now let's talk about another pedal I've talked about on the show. I've talked about this pedal. This is the Zoom multi stomp Ms. 70 CDR. There's different version of this, of this pedal. This pedal is another pedal with tons of effects. This is a hundred and nine dollars. This has like 100 effects. I think as well you'd have to watch my video since I only use about 10 or 15 of them. This one will let you chain up to four of six at a time in real time, which is one thing I like over the. The line 6. But the quality of the line 6, I think, sounds better than the zoom. There's always something about one or the other I like more than the other. Still not why I don't like the boss one. What I don't like about the boss one is, if you haven't figured it out, the boss wants to sell you effects. That's right. So you get this boss pedal, and then, hey, look, it comes with eight effects. But don't worry, there's more you can get, but you can buy them. And I thought it was weird. I was like, reading it, and I'm like, is that. No, I'm reading it wrong. What? You have to buy additional effects in the future at $10 a whack. $9.99. Let's see. And you know what? When reading some of the ad copy, and it seemed to really downplay that side of it, and also a couple reviews, I got to tell you, I was a little disappointed in some of the reviews where I get it, man. I've gotten gear, and I was like, I'm just in the romance mode, and maybe I'm just overlooking some of the downsides. Now, look, I want to point out some positives. Here's a positive. The positive is you can buy this pedal. You'll have eight effects or whatever in it, and if that's all you want, like, if these effects that you see are the ones that I showed you are the ones you want, well, then I think you'll be fine. And you. You know, nothing is going to stop you from being able to use this in the future. However, you know, I think where I was confused is when I think of line six, I just don't think of them as a big company. Like, boss. Boss is a huge company. And it's weird to me. It's like today, in today's age, you know, when I saw the pedal, I got to tell you, I saw the picture. Like, all of you. I was on Instagram or some of you that saw it. It's on Instagram. I'm scrolling. I see the boss pedal, and I go, oh, poor line six. Oh, poor zoom. Now the. The. The big guys are in the. You know, they're here, and they're going to dominate. They're going to come in. It's like watching Fender come in and just be like, are you guys done playing? Because let me show you what big inventories, huge distribution and massive R and D Departments can really do when we have DEC to play the game. And instead, it was absolutely the worst. I would almost argue, in fact, I will argue that if a company that wasn't Boss, like, if a new company like Spark or somebody like that came with this pedal, they, it would be a laughing stock. We would be making fun of how silly their subscription. You know, buy, buy their, their, their, their pedal sounds. Now, now I have to be a little, a little fair on this. We are in a world where essentially digital downloads are where the income is. So I understand, you know, companies want us to download irs. They want us to buy digital, you know, lesson programs. Let's face it, lesson programs, digital downloads are a big part of the future because a lot of people will impulse buy something for $10 and it's digital. And it's like, hey, I just order it. It's kind of like, now how, you know, I'm on Amazon all the time and I go to watch a movie and it's like, oh, you can, you can rent it for $18, but you can buy it for 22. And I'm like, oh, just buy it, I guess. And I buy it for 22 bucks and I'm never going to watch it again. And, you know, and who knows if I'll even own it in 10 years, you know, if Amazon even keeps it for me forever. But my, my thought, my thoughts on it was I was just in shock that BOSS would do this play. I think I was hurt. I know that sounds silly. Please make fun. Play your violins if you want. I think I was just hurt that a company that I always thought was boss was always like, quality for the money. You know, you could trust it. Strong construction. Drop it. I ran over a boss metal zone with my truck. Not on purpose. My guitar player in my band left. Other guitar player, left my cables and pedals in a box and put it by the back of my truck. And of course, I went to back up and when I backed up, I went like this and I ran over it. Okay, it still worked. Okay, the knob was bent. One of the knobs was bent really bad, but it still worked. And I don't know, I just couldn't believe that this is the play that business. So again, and so, you know, I knew something was up when I was like, as soon as I got into this, you know, I went to Sweetwater to look at the specs, and as soon as I was like, eight effects. Why would anyone want just eight effects? Oh, with the, you know, 16 plus effects. Okay, 16. And then again, I was like, oh, and I have to buy more effects. And I'm like, oh, And I'm not entirely sure, so, please. That I'm sure of. But I'm not entirely sure. But also, I think to download the effects, you have to buy some kind of subscription, but they're gonna give you a subscription for free for a while, and then you have to re up. I might be confused about specifically what that part was. And actually, that's a shame on Boss, too, because I shouldn't be confused, right? I should have been easily, like, right then, right? Like, it should say in big print right here. Okay, whoops. Not that. That's me. It should say in big print right here. Like, a little, like. See how it says new? It should say, buy additional effects in big print. And then you'd be like, what? Because I think it would be really sad if anyone bought this not knowing that they were gonna have to buy more effects later on. So absolutely hate the idea. I'm not a fan, and I hope Boss. I hope the repercussions are aggressive and swift and Boss changes their mind. I think that was what I like to see. But. But, you know, it's a new product. Who knows? I saw Anderton's guys, and they were like, look, it sounds just like the real thing. And I'm like, yeah, well, who cares? The line six sounds amazing. I. I don't understand, like I said. And, you know, there's an old adage that said, you know, if you can't. If you can't do it better than somebody else, why even do it? Boss didn't do it better, so why even do it? Just to say that they have this thing too. It was really, really, I think, a miss. We'll call it a big miss on that one. But I do want to say on a side note, because I want to try to be positive about this stuff, that Boss does have me curious about this. I don't know if you guys saw this. Let me show you this. So I'm really excited about this. As a huge fan of their rotary ensemble pedal, the double pedal, but always took it off my board because it was too huge. This has me very excited. $239. Look at this. And I did some research just in case any of you are curious. And everything in the pedal is included. So if you buy the pedal, it. It's everything in the. I know I'm kind of being a jerk right now, but everything's included. So I am. I am. I think I am a buyer for this, I think I'm going to order this. I'm sure if any of you have suggestions of pedals that are better than this in the market, a better erotary speaker pedal, but I'm only interested in one that is $240 or less. So if you think there's a better one for the same price or less, let me know. I'd be really interested in checking that out. I don't know if you guys want me to do a video if I buy this into a video, but I'm definitely curious about this as like I said, as a Boss fan. So I mean, you know, it's not like Boss is totally inept at coming out with a new product. I just think they missed it. Especially when you think about the Boss katana being like now the industry standard for the affordable go to solid state, you know, gigging amp. I just thought it was a weird play to get into that side of the business and you know, especially I just can't. I'm just not gonna pay 200. I'm not gonna give anybody $250 of my hard earned money so that I can give them more money for. For things that really should have been included for 250 bucks in my opinion. But love to know your. In fact, watch this. Let's play a game just in case the Boss people ever watch this, which they won't. Okay. Watch this should. We'll be right back. Hey, I'm Sam. And I'm Max. We're the host of 78Amped, a music podcast stacked with all the news, reviews and interviews that will help you find the next great song to add to your playlist. Three times a week. Each week, we dive deep on the latest and the greatest from artists in Australia and around the world, chat with the people who made them, and invite you to a secret club for music lovers. All with a pretty healthy dose of smack talk along the way. Smack talk? Yeah, thought it'd be a bit nice. So tune in Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays on your favorite podcast platform to 78amped and hear a different take on music. I reckon we know that first time don't end my take. I think included. Okay, ready? Let's start a poll. I might have weirded this wrong. It kind of feels one sided. But should all all effects be included in the new Boss pedal? Let me know your thoughts or let me know and so you know when you're taking this survey. Let me know if you feel like. No, you understand in the new world, companies have to make money. And digital downloads are the future. And, you know, somebody said something that made me laugh my ass off that I couldn't stop on here. I can't on here. Which is. This is gonna go over as well as when BMW wanted you to buy a subscription for heated seats. And I was like, you know, I feel the same way, except for different because I. I don't own a BMW, but I do own boss stuff. So this kind of hits more to my. So, yeah. Nice. Okay, let's. What are we gonna do now? Let's go on to another subject. Wanna go on another subject? Since we talk about boss, let's talk about another new product that came out. The new Bad Cat amp. A lot of people ask me about that. If you haven't seen Bad Cat came with a new amp, we'll open this up. It looks like I'm just opening up the tab right now. This is it. It's at zounds. It's $1,299. And this is the new mini. Mini, like Mini, like small, not mini. Like there's a lot of them. Bad Cat amp. It's a lunchbox guitar amplifier. Amplifier. To tell you guys up front that I was privy to it before. John Thompson, who owns Bad Cat, and I had talked about this amp. In fact, I remember when the first version was done, I was telling him how I hate these little toaster amps, you know, that sound horrible clean, and if they don't get clean right, I don't even know what the point is. And he was not happy with the clean tone in this. So he had. He had another. An amp person go through it, another designer take a whack at it. And. And I guess he made a better amp. They did talk to me about doing a video of it. I was not super excited about it. I'll tell you why in a second. So. And that's. And just keep in mind that I'm going to say things probably with a tone of like, hey, this is my friend and I like Bad Cat a lot, so of course I won't be too aggressive on them. But I'm giving you at least my bias. What my bias is. My bias is that I consider them friends. So. So here's the. Here's my issue. I don't think $1,300 is unrealistic for a small 15 watt little amp anymore. My problem is twofold. I'm really. I don't know about you guys, but I'm really burnt out on the black metal. All black looking Toaster amps. You know, the Synergy one, the MT15 by Pure S. Yeah, the EVH lunchbox amps. I know that there's different colors. I'm just really kind of sick of that. I have the. Obviously the Engel iron. Iron ball. What am I saying? Iron ball. This is the Steve Morris amp. Steve Morris amp. And I said this when I reviewed this. This is the amp to beat at $1,500 if it's still $1,500. I mean, it was 15 when I did the review of it. Built in delay, reverb boost, two kinds of boost, a mid range boost and a, and a, and a. An actual boost pedal, noise gate on the, on the distortion side. Two channels, you know, irs. It has a lot of features like the IRS and stuff that the new Bad Cat has. But this is an amp that's hard to beat for me. And I would say this amp and then my second favorite little lunchbox. If we're going for the ugly metal lunchbox look amps, it's going to be the Synergy amp. And keep in mind, this is something I just want to point out again, this amp, if you look at the Synergy amp, the Synergy amp is. I think it just raised its price to 1099. But anyway, with the modules, again, about this price, comparable, maybe 100 more. But you get to pick. And you get three channels. This is two channels. So again, this kind of falls into the boss thing. Like, did Bad Cat, in my opinion, make something better than everyone else? Or did they say, hey, we could do what you're doing too? And I think, unfortunately for me, although there's been a lot of Bad cats that I've been super impressed with, mostly because they're different. You know, one thing I liked about the magnetones, one thing I like about the Bad Cat, one thing I like about certain amps is, yeah, they're familiar, but they're different. Or they're offering something a little that I can't get with another brand. And maybe they're a premium price. At least it's a different. This amp. Go back to it. I think it's cool. Obviously, I thought it sounded good listening to the, to the. If you like. If you listen to Michael Nielsen's review of it, very good. It's also a high gain amp. I'm not really a good high gain. You know, I'm not a high gain person. I don't play high gain a lot. And I know that they mentioned that you can kind of back the gain off and get more of a, you know, 70s rock, you know, blues rock kind of thing, which is cool. But again I would have to add reverb at least or delay and then put that in the effects loop. And if I'm already doing that, I'm going to do that with my Synergy head and, and again I can pick the module that goes into Synergy. So that's kind of the thing. To be honest with you, I wish if I could have had a, you know, a dream thing instead of this I would have, I would have really preferred if there was a way for Bad Cat and Synergy to make a module. I'd rather have a bad cat cub module to throw in my Synergy amp over this. I, I kind of like, you know and I, I know it's not easy for every company to get along and work together on stuff like that but if that is possible that would be I think the most ideal. I would rather, I would rather have a Bad Cat module in my Synergy than have another one of this size amps I already have. Essentially I'm down to what do I have? I have three mini amplifier heads and that's something like. And again it's not that I don't like the other heads. I've obviously reviewed so many of them. I think the MT15 is still probably one of the best deals. Even though it's getting closer to a thousand dollars it's still one sub $1000. It's built really well, has a really good gain channel. Now they have a new feature where it kind of takes it into the mid gain territory and a clean channel. But again no reverb to me. The three mini mini small little head amplifiers I have are the Engel Fireball. I don't know why it keeps on the Fireball. I apologize. It's the Engel Steve Morris amp and I have, I still have my Mesa boogie mark525 which was my first real high quality mini amp that I bought. And then of course I have the Synergy that I bought. I don't know, earlier this year I bought that and those are the three I have. And I'm constantly contemplating, you know, downsizing and if I was to downsize I'd probably stick with the, the Engel first and the Synergies, the runner up and yeah, I, I just like I said so that's my thoughts. So everybody asked what I thought if they sent Wood, what I would do in a video. Yeah, because I like John and I like those guys. So I, I do a Video when they send out product, for sure. And. But it wasn't something I was personally super excited for because, you know, he had done some really cool things in the past that I thought were interesting with a small amp. If you guys saw. We've talked about the lynx. I think it was the lynx before. Was it the links? Why do I think it was the links, not the links? What was the small one? Anyone will put that in the comments. I know we talked about it and wasn't the cub. See, all the names start getting a little tricky. Anyways, that's just my point. So I'm sure it will do well because I think bad. Bad Cat makes quality stuff. And like I said, it sounded good, but I'm just giving you the rundown of why I, you know, wasn't. Wasn't going to buy one relatively anytime. So it's not something I was. I was again looking for personally. Okay, anyone got any thoughts on that? You know, what I need to do is I need to pull up this screen. Okay. So I have the screen. I need the cougar. Thank you. It was the Cougar. Yes. The Cougar I thought was a cool idea. And it was like a hybrid, right? It was like a tube preamp with like a class D power amp. More of like a. More of them going after like a. Do you like the spark idea? A small amp on your desk? This is that. And it can power. I thought that was a really cool idea where this one is just. They're doing the same thing everybody else is doing, which is fine. I mean, why shouldn't they? You know, everybody else gets to do it. Well, they shouldn't be denied it too. But I actually kind of think the whole making a small amp, you know, metal case thing is. Is kind of dead, in my opinion. Like, I just don't see a whole lot of us getting excited about it anymore. You know, back. Back in the. You know, back. I think just like the. Everything that happened during the. The. The COVID you know, guitar boom, whatever you want to call it, the two coinciding. A lot of us churned a lot of product. A lot of us tried a lot of stuff. And I think a lot of us bought a lot of those little heads, those little amplifier heads. And there were some cool things about all of them. There were so many good things, you know, whether it's the Laney or, you know, so many. And maybe it's great that there's so many choices. I think maybe that's a point too. But I also I kind of feel like for me, I kind of went through them all and this is where I landed. This amp, the. The angle one. It's. It's not about how good it sounds. It's about like it does. This amp does. And I have my kemper right here. And my kemper. If I can show it to you guys, maybe pull it this way. Yeah, I can look at it. Here's my camper and I don't know if you guys know, but my kemper, which is not plugged in other than the power. So let me just unplug the power. My kemper is the powered one. So I have like a 600 watt class D power amp in this. So if you look at this, to me, this is really my go to for taking something in a little cabinet and going. Because again, I have. It's powered. It's just. I don't run a. I don't have to run a powered speaker. I just run it off a cabinet. And I like it because I have some really good sounding amp amplifiers built into it and I have some effects and that's what the angle is to me. It's like, oh, good clean channel. Good dirty channel. Takes pedals well. I'm gonna be using it today for my guitar of the week and I'm not going to be using the gain off it. I'm using the clean channel on an overdrive pedal because it takes pedals well. But it has reverb and delay and everything built in it. So that's what I like about it. I can run as a pedal platform and has IRS out. Although I mic'd up today. So. Yeah, I really like that amp and I. I really think, I really think that's the amp. Like I said, that's the amp to beat this in the iron ball. So if you guys are out there, if you want to. I think if you want to win us over, you know, I. I think at this point, if you're going to make a small amp that's. That's in the thousand dollar plus price range. It needs to not just be. Oh look, you get a tube amp. So I don't know. This is my. Let's see. Okay, let's see. Yeah, Richard says I could take my angle to a gig with no pedals and not worry. I agree. I could take that amp anywhere. No pedals, no nothing. You know, I even have the midi board for it that's powered by it. So I can control all that via midi with my foot switch and. Fantastic. And I can run it through any cabinet. And it's great. Like I said, it's all built in, I really think, at this point. And again, you know, I'm just. I like metal, I play metal, but I'm not a metal guy. In other words, I don't play metal the most of the time. I play mostly clean. So I really want a good, clean tone. With reverb, that's a must. I like to have delay and. And that's, you know, those are two features I like in an amp. So it's kind of like those are the two features that are exciting for me. And what made this exciting is this having the delay and then. And the noise gate on the gain channel and the boost and the mid boost. See, my Fender amps, other amps just don't have that ability. So it's like, it's. It has all this stuff and it's easy to tote. And so I don't know. Let's see. Okay, let's. Hard. Hardstone 17, let's. Okay. What is he saying? Says, I love my Synergy 20, but I really wish the IR out was a stereo as an option. Oh, that's cool. I. I didn't even notice, so I didn't notice. Me personally, I wish the Synergy 20 was A. Had reverb built in and came in a combo version and that I'd prefer that. In fact, if the Synergy 20, I can tell you right now, if Synergy 20 had a combo version, so just built into a one cabinet, you know, combo with reverb in it, or better yet, modules had reverb built into them. So if I got like the Fender sounding module, it had reverb. So if I switch, you know, that channel has reverb. And especially if it could take two modules. But let's just not get out of. You know, don't get carried away, right? If the Synergy 20 had reverb and it came in a combo version, not only would I probably just use that, I mean, that would. Would for me, beat out the angle. Even though this has the boost and the delay and all this stuff, just the. The idea that I could change out the module for my mood, you know, oh, I'm going to use a, you know, a Friedman module. Oh, I'm going to use the Fender type module. It's really cool to be able to switch it around. So I really. One of my only things I don't like about Synergy 20, no reverb. And I hate the way it looks. Obviously, it's another little Black little toaster amp thing. Just. No, as a design standpoint, all these amps just to me look ugly. They just look ugly. And they look like little metal monsters. Like they're made to make metal sounds. And, you know, people are visual. And I don't mean me. I don't really care what I think of it. I care what, like, when I put it on the cabinet, you know, I don't like it when somebody's like, ugh, oh, you gonna play a lot of metal tonight? I'm like, no. I can't help the way it looks like that. It just looks like, you know. Yeah, I know. I get it. It looks like we're gonna play some. Some mark some dark metal. But, yeah, I need reverb as. As a. For clean. I just do. And I would rather, in my. In Mike's, my Travels and why I play, I would rather have an overdrive pedal into a cleanup with reverb than having an amp that has a great overdrive sound. But I have to run reverb through the effects loop because it's more awkward for me to do that, if that makes any sense, because now I got to run two cables through the effects loop into the reverb and then power the reverb. And it's just. Again, it's just a convenience thing and more usage. So I tend to play my amps that have reverb way more. Okay. Unless. Okay. And I'd be really remiss if I didn't say this unless you make the amp really, really good. So if you like the magnetone amps or, you know, my. I was gonna say. I'm trying to think. Even my Morgan has reverb. Some of the most expensive amps I've ever played. The really nice ones, they sound so good, I don't really notice. There's no reverb, if that makes any sense. Like the Freeman. Yeah, somebody said Freeman. A lot of the Freeman's. I don't really care. My small box, I don't really need reverb. I think it sounds really good. Even the clean, I don't really feel like I have to reverb. To me, is about making the clean just sound a little fuller and bigger sounding. And so if the reverb. If the clean can sound great without reverb, I'm okay with that too. But that is not mostly the case. All right, we have Vim 69 says, hey, Phil, you own a 335, a 339, a D' Angelico DC. This is my Inventory of my guitars. And you. You had. You've had several PR. Semi hollows. It's funny, I have. I have several prs. Semi hollows or. He said had, but we'll say have. What are your current thoughts about semi hollow category? I'm. I play mostly semi hollow guitars. So when I say that, keep in mind I always play my Delos. It's just kind of my go to, which is my Strat. Okay. And essentially the delos is just my Strat. And I'll even tell you, I don't know if I've ever told you because I might have told the patrons and I don't know if I've ever told you guys. So maybe I'll explain real quick if you don't mind. So, vimps, this isn't the answer your question. We'll timestamp your question in a minute. I'm gonna give you the logic of what's going on with the Delos, and it's because, again, I just kind of like everyone to know instead of ask questions about it. So when I started my YouTube channel, when I very first started it, the very first guitar I was playing on the channel, which I still own to this day, was a copper Fender Strat. I know, I'm not going to go into that. I know a lot of you guys know the whole story with a Strat. But let me just give you the. The reason why the delos exists and why it's a primary guitar, because I think a lot of people just confuse it as some kind of wide side promotion to Kiesel. Right. And that's not what's going on here. And I don't want you to think it is because that's not what's going on. I'll. Like I said, I can tell you guys exactly what's going on. So anyways, I'm playing my guitar on YouTube. Why? Because at that time, when I started YouTube, the guitar that I played all the time was my Fender Copper custom substrat, which I've explained that whole story about where it came from and how I got it and how all the things that happened. And I would play through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, mostly. Mostly the George Benson one, and then a custom one I had. And then over time, as the channel got bigger, I started realizing, because I didn't know going into it, that people, when they watch a video, just like when I watch a video, you go, oh, man, that's really cool. I want that too. You know, you get excited about gear somebody's playing Something and you're like, wow, I really want that pedal. It's like why I've spent so much money because of Pete Thorne's videos. I think for a while Pete Thorne probably sold me 20 pedals because every week he would do a pedal and I'd be like, I need that pedal. Still don't sell Link Pete Thorne. Anyways, my point is what happened was somebody sent me an email. This is in 2016. Somebody sent me an email and said, phil, I really like your copper Strat. I talked to my local Fender custom shop dealer. They told me that guitar is $7,000. This is 2016 by the way, $7,000 and has a two year waiting list. So I emailed the, the person back and said, okay, understand that when I bought the Strat, not only was I dealer, which is important, it was a team built guitar. But Fender at that time you could customize the team built Strats, the custom shop. So if you guys don't know, team built means it's built by a team of people. Master built means it's made by essentially one person with some helpers. And at the time that guitar was team built. But you could get. I ordered a quarter sawn maple neck, a 12 inch radius. My copper Strat is very much like a Charvel. That's what I was trying to copy. I wanted a guitar that played like a Charvel but looked like a Fender. That's what I wanted. So that's what we did. I picked copper because I live in Arizona and it's the Copper State. Okay. And I just thought, I don't know, why not, right? I didn't really connect any. I did more. No more thought was put into that. And then over time I got some other people saying, yeah man, I can't find that copper Strat. Now. Since then Fender's done a Copper Strat version of it. Not exactly it, but they've done it. And I don't know if it's because of me or just because I think it has nothing to do with me making videos. I think it was because people were calling into them and they got hip to it. But what happened was when I was with gnl, I, I'd met G and L and I went down there and, and filmed their factory. I mentioned to them making me, I said, why don't you make me a copper G L guitar like my Copper Strat, same specifications, and I'll play that instead of the Fender one. Because Fender doesn't need me to help sell guitars. They're Fender And I don't really like the idea that I'm playing this guitar that people can't afford or buy because it's crazy and, you know, it just doesn't make sense. And the very short version of that is, no, they didn't do it. They weren't. They didn't. Weren't excited to do it. They didn't really understand. I think at the time especially they didn't understand back then 2017. They didn't understand what I was saying. I'm saying they've said, like, well, you can order one. And I'm like, you know, like, in other words, they said I could buy one. And I was like, yeah, I don't need to buy one. I have one. I have a Copper Strat. What I'm telling you is if you make me one, I'll play yours, right? Because at least people can get that one. And it was more reasonable price. And I think it was a win win for everybody. This went on a couple of times. I don't want to go on to it anymore. But a couple companies I approached, same thing every time I saw an opportunity, I said, hey, why don't you make me a Copper Strat, like my Copper Strat, and I'll play your guitars? Because why not, right? No one could buy the copper one. And then Kiesel, when I was talking to Brandon one day, I said, hey, why don't you make me a Delos just like my Copper Strat? And they did, and they sent it to me. And it was weird. Over time, I just kept playing it. But I told you guys, it's not that I liked it more than anything else. I just kept playing it. Why? Because they sent me one, and I thought it's more obtainable. At the time, you could get one for 1500 bucks. Far cry less than 7,000. Now it's more like 23, $2,500. But still, far cry less than 7,000. And what happened was I put so much time playing it. I got so used to it. That's why I played all the time. I've literally just. Just like my old Copper Strat, I've put so much time into playing. It's so familiar to me as a guitar. So I say all that to explain why I always say, oh, my delos. I don't. I don't. I don't want you to think, like, any. Any other reason I played it. They made it for me. So I played it. Because I played it, they made it available to you guys. That's the End of the story. And only one change in the story that's probably worth noting is when I sent them everything about my copper Strat, they responded to me. They said, hey, you know, Jeff has an idea to do the copper in a more of a orangish, you know, orange, cool, you know, like he thought it was cooler, a cooler copper than the pink, more pink copper that you had, pink brown. And I said, go ahead. And they did it. And of course, I think it looks way better. I like this one better. So that's why. So that's why I use it all the time. It's my familiar guitar. It's where I go to. It's just where I feel home in playing guitar. Now, that being said, this is a Stratton. It's very familiar to me, but I really play mostly my hollow bodies, my sg. I. I kind of like guitars that sound a little warmer. So this goes to Vimps69's question, which is out of my hollow bodies, which one I like? So in prss, I own two hollow body PRSS and two semi hollow prss. In Gibson, I own two semi hollow Gibsons and one hollow body Gibson and d', Angelico, I own one semi hollow d' Angelico and then I have a bunch of other semi hollow guitars. I really like semi hollow guitars. I don't play a whole lot of hollow body guitars. I play a lot of semi hollow guitars. And it's because I play them acoustically with no amp. I play a lot throughout the day. I just pick up a guitar like that hollow body PS right there. If I was gonna grab a guitar right now and no amps are plugged in, nothing's just plugged in. And I have five minutes. So let me give you example. Let's say we're gonna go to the grocery store after the show and my wife's like, I want. You know, and she's like, we're gonna go to the grocery store. And I know it's going to take her 10 minutes to get ready or get everything compiled up. I just grab a hollow body guitar and I just play it for 10 minutes until she calls me, until somebody calls me. So I really like to play a lot of hollow bodies for that reason. There's. That's probably more so the reason than the actual sound plugged in the amps. But I do like the way they feel. So I just wanted to give you the backstories on the two. Two things on the hollow bodies and on the. The delos. But that's why I really like the delos. Okay. But anyways. So vamps, if your question is what do I think of the hollow bodies and see how little bodies. I really like them. I even have semi hollow keisel. I'm trying to think like I think I have a semi hollow version of everything. Almost every major brand I have a semi hollow Fender, right? Which they usually call Thin Line. I just really like them. Which one's my favorite? My favorite for now because you know, like any guitar player, you know, you always have your. Your pick of the week. But my pick has been the longest time. It's my S2 Semi Hollow PRS. I just really like it. I don't know why. I just. It's nothing about it for some reason is special other than I just like the, the arm carve. I like how comfortable it is, I like how loud it is and I just prefer it. So I play that one. So let's see. Hold on, I'm just looking to see does it not move? I can't move. The category crazy. Let me refresh it. Okay, so we have the next question says, hey Phil, I own a Fender Blues Breaker 30R reverb combo. So 30 watt reverb combo with a 12 inch session V type speaker. I hear you love the Selesion Cream backs. Would you recommend this upgrade? I only play in the family room and play 2000s emo punk rock. I only recommend any upgrade, whether it be a guitar upgrade, an ampgra upgrade. If you're unhappy with something, if you think there could be, you're it's lacking in something. Maybe it's lacking in, you know, clarity or brightness or bass or depth if you feel the amp is lacking. Sometimes with amplifiers, one of the main reason people like to change speakers is because they'll say sounds like there's a blanket over it. That's a real common saying. Like the amp just feels like it's not very articulate. You know, you're not really hearing the sparkle of the high end. And so I recommend you change then. But I don't recommend changing pickups or speakers or anything for the sake of just changing it. This is something that I just learned over the years. Obviously I'm not an amp tech, so I don't really know it from the amp side but from the guitar side, you know, for doing repairs for customers. People just coming in with a pile of really high end parts and like change this, you know, I just got this guitar yesterday. Change all this stuff so it'll be good. And I'm always like, I feel like that's where again, where this is the know your gear came from. It's like, why don't you spend some time with it? So since you've had the amp for and you like it, I would say you have to figure out I do like the creamback, so that's easy. But it's not going to help you just because I like a speaker and I say it's good. It's only going to help you if you're like, you don't feel the amp breaks up enough. You don't feel like the amp has enough low end frequency. You feel like, you don't feel like the amp's high end is very good even when you're adjusting eq. And so maybe that, that requires a speaker upgrade. So I don't know if I would even. I would worry about it. One of the, one of the worst feelings is when you spend that money on a, especially a speaker or something like that or a pickup, you know, you spend 150 bucks, you get it and it's not really a big difference or the difference isn't really to your liking and it's not really returnable at that point. Speakers and pickups are very, very rarely returnable. And you know, and it just depends how crazy you get into it now. One thing I had the advantage of is I have had the advantage of having mini cabinets with many different speakers so I can run every amp through a plethora of speakers. And so when I say I like creambacks, what I mean is I prefer them the most out of all the speakers. I find that I just kept going to them for a while. I used to like V30s and it's funny to me looking back when I pull my V30s out now because I still have a cabin with V30s. Always sounds a little dark to me now. And I think at that time maybe I like that. But now I liked a little bit more clarity to the speaker, you know, to the amps. But I don't highly recommend that you swap something just for the sake of swapping it if that helps. Because again, I don't you really want to have a, a reason, you know, like if it could just. If I could just get more out of this, I'd really be happy. And then maybe that sets you down a road. But changing for changing sake is no good. Let's see, this one was. I was watching Uncle Larry and he was saying loose Gibson tails piece tail pieces. Cause sit tauring. Have you ever come across this? Kind regards. Not specifically that I Mean, you know, there's a ton of things that cause the sitar effect or a resonating or a buzzing sound. And a loose tailpiece obviously is not good. I don't know what was specifically would make the tailpiece loose. Seems really weird. So I have not specifically seen that problem, but I would imagine that if it's loose, it's going to be a problem. It's not going to be good. It doesn't enhance or help anything. Makes everything worse. This is a question says. Hey, Phil, your thoughts on James Brown, his custom coupe amps, 36 and 72. Have you tried his amp tweaker pedals? Cheers from New Zealand. I'm a huge James Brown fan. Not just the artist that sings, you know, but obviously the amp builder, the amp designer. For those who don't know the James Brown we're talking about is the man who was behind the 5150amps at Peavey, obviously the classic series at PV. He designed that stuff. And then of course, he went on to work for custom amps with a K. And he made the 36 and 72 coupes, especially the first year, first few years where he was physically building them with his team, I believe, before they think they moved them over to China or something like that. I've had both the 36 and the 72. I did a great video with Jaylen or J on the channel Talking about the 36 coupe and how I thought it was a secret gem of an amp. It's think of the 36 coupe as like having a really great clean, a great reverb and a really cool rock distortion tone. It's a great amp. It has it. I think it looks cool. Some people think it looks silly because it's got the Naga hide. If you're familiar with Naga hide, it's the. The tuck and roll that you see at 50s diners, you know. Right. So it had that. But it wasn't like the old customs where the whole bodies are wrapped like that. Well, I guess we could just pull one up, right? 36 coupe amp. 36 coupe. And then the 30 or the 72 is the same amp with a. With. So the 36 is 36 watts through 112, 72 is 72 watts through a 212. And yeah, here comes one. I'll pull a red one, but you could get black or silver. Actually, you know what, let's just look at this way. So you can see here. They had black, they had silver. There was blue. I don't see a blue one. But they had a metallic blue. There's a 70 that says it's 36, but that's a 72 because that's the 212. Oh, it's a 210. Sorry, that's a 36 210. So apparently there was a 36 watt 210 and a 112. Let's pull this one at Guitar Center. So this is used549. You know what's funny is I. You used to find these for 300 bucks all day long. So it's pretty cool. This one, you have to look to see where they're made. Some are made in the US Made in the US So just be aware of that. Not that it. I just think personally it's not though so much they're made in US but I think the main USA ones were. Were made by James Brown's team. Had a boost effect. Very cool. Let me get out of this. So the handle on this one's a little trashed, but you could see the Naga High was, I thought tastely done just on the top and then really cool amp for the money for sure. So that's what I think of them. Amp tweaker. I never tried amp tweaker pedals at all. And so, you know, I reached out to James when they made the, the new EVH Iconic series amps. I reached out to him personally and through and I said, hey, I would love to interview you and have you. Since he's local, he's here in the Valley. And he couldn't. I say he couldn't. I shouldn't say that. He said he would get. Try to get permission from Fender to talk to me and do the interview. And you know, I, I think I followed up with him, but I never heard back. So I just took it as Fender didn't give him permission to do an interview. So that's what happens when you have, you know, the corporate, you know, overlords. So I think the corporation wouldn't let him talk to us. But I was going to try to have him on the show to talk about the new iconic series and, and then talk about amp tweaker and stuff. And maybe that's the problem is, you know, they don't want him to talk about his old days with PV and stuff. You know, who knows? I hate to say anything out of, out of context because, you know, who even knows if Fender even told him no, but, you know, I always kind of feel like Fender and just big corporations in general have like a revisionist history of their Company, you know, they, they like, they like the history to be what they say it is and not what it really is. So sometimes employees aren't free to talk about things. But I'm a huge fan. His is, to say the least, I think he's again in modern times, one of the most iconic amp builders in, in our time. So here's another one. It says warm off how to sell on blemish and return next some only 30 to $40. Wow. Sold out in 10 minutes. No kidding. That's a smoking deal. As their site kept crashing. Yeah, no kidding. I wasn't able to snake one thoughts on Snag one thoughts on Warmoth other replacement necks that are cheap. So now that I, I have it and it's official, I can talk about it. So Shauna, Shauna. As you know, my wife, she watches your comment sections. You. She very rarely interacts, but you'll see her in the, in the notes. She's a moderator, but she mostly takes notes and writes down things. So a lot of you guys always feel like, oh, Phil didn't give me any attention. But really what it is is she'll come to me afterwards and say, hey, so you know, you got to ask this a lot. So next week I know to hit it also she'll come to me with, hey, you know, a lot of people seem to be talking about this or mentioning this. Maybe you should do a video about that. And then I make a full, a full fledged video. So she said that there was a lot of talking about kit guitars and building and parts of casters and it seems to come up a lot. And she took a notice that even when I'm answering questions, a lot of parts of caster builds came up. So she, she took it upon herself. So it was 100% her idea and her execution. So I just want to be very aware of that. But now we can talk about it. She came to me one day and didn't tell me why. She just said if you could have any, if you could buy any neck or bodies from any company to build a guitar, you know, to make the best guitar ever, what would you pick? And I was probably, I would actually was doing something. I was doing something and I said, oh, it would be warm off for sure. I would get a warm off, you know, neck and body. That's by far, I think the best. And what I didn't know was she had reached out to Warmoth. Well actually back up after I told her that she reached out to Warmoth and she said, look, I Would we would be interested in doing a build? So the idea was, you know, could I build out of Warmoth parts and other parts a high end guitar that competes with some of these guitars you see on this wall? I mean granted, you know, some of these guitars on this wall are rather, rather expensive. And so I guess she thought it would be an interesting video to see. Not so much as like a, a veteran guitar tech like me could build a guitar, but could I order all the stuff and put it together in a very easy way and have something super high end. And so I did exactly that. I ordered some stuff for Warmoth. And the reason I can tell you about it is it's here, it's physically here. Now I've actually looked at it, I've gone through it. I. I know I have it and I have a deadline. The agreement I made with them was that I would make the video within 60 days of receiving the parts, which is very reasonable. I thought that was most reasonable ask I've ever gotten from a company. Actually it was by far the most reasonable ask I ever got from a company. Sure, we'll send you the parts. But will you guarantee that you'll make the video within 60 days? I'm like okay, cool. So I got the parts, so I have the parts. So here's what I can tell you. Within 60 days you're gonna definitely have a video. Actually less now because it's been a couple weeks and it will be a cool build. I'll be putting it all together with Warmoth and in this particular case going over exactly the question you guys have been asking which is do you have to level the frets? Do you have to do stuff? And I'll be. And I'll give you a little teaser. I really believe you don't have to level frets on the Warmoth. Next. I think that quality, but the one I ordered in the particular way I ordered it, it does need some fret work. But you'll see why it's not like a. Oh look at what Warmoth didn't do. It's a. In this particular case they wouldn't do what I want them to do. So not because I asked them. It's just they don't do that. You'll. You'll see Tom. So anyways, that build will come soon. So look for that build. And that's my fast way of saying I love war moth parts. I will tell you though that this guitar that I'm building was way more expensive, way double. It was double the price. I Thought the entire build was going to be off guessing. So it just tells you how the inflation really tricks us all, all the time. You know, it's like you go to the store and you're like, I'll get a steak real quick. And you're like, well it's going to be 10 bucks. You're like $33, what the hell? Or whatever it is, you know. Right. And that's how this was to me. I was like, how much was the body, how much was the neck, how much of the parts? Wow. You know, so it was a little bit more. But the build is supposed to in theory rival a three to five thousand dollar guitar. That's, that's the, the premise of the video is can I build a guitar that holds its own with you know, this Rickenbacker, that PRS Hollow Body 2 right. This, this Keisel, that custom GNL, that Gretch, you know, the R9, the Music Man. I mean, you know, USA Jazz Master. I mean these are again nice guitars. Can you. Can. And so I don't know the answer because I haven't put it together yet. So, so. And then I'll, I'll be a full build and then what's great is the, the video will either be one complete video on YouTube for you guys or if it needs additional videos, they'll go on the second channel. So it'll be cool. Have supplemental videos. So. Oh, oh. Somebody said they spent fifteen hundred dollars with warmth ten years ago. Wow. See, ten years ago I thought warm off. I thought ten years ago was probably the last time I bought Warmoth. No, no, no. I bought a warm up neck just a couple years ago. But I'm talking about bodies and necks. Buying bodies and necks from warmouth was about at least 10 years ago and I thought it was always under a thousand bucks. I bought a body and neck and I always thought like, you know, it's like 3, $400 for the body. 3, $4 to the neck. It's 800 bucks. In fact, I remember it well. Now I'm looking going back to 2005. In 2005 I bought, I remember I bought a body and neck because I wanted a Padauk N4. So I bought a Padauk body and Padauk neck from Warmoth and I built an N4 out of it. And you know, it was a fraction of what a real N4 would cost. In fact, it was so inexpensive that after I built it I thought, oh man, now that I have it, I would have, I would have Changed the specifications. So I just ordered another body and neck and put together another one and then kept that one. And then. So yeah, so that was, that was. But that was back in 2005, so quite a long time ago. But 10 years ago I know for a fact I was buying them and I thought it was about a thousand bucks for a body neck as well. Let's see. Okay, hold on a second. I don't know why I'm telling you guys. Hold on, let me. The question, this question is. Hey Philip, are you going to test, are you going to test or check out any of the Solid state Orange baby series? I just got the Gain Baby and the Clean channel is unreal and the Dirt channel is good fun too. That would be really cool. I had. It wasn't on my radar, but that's really cool because the problem is all the amps that are on my radar are expensive at this point. You know, you can't. I've been reviewing stuff for like 10 years almost, right, so 10 years and like all, all the gear that comes through and, and so after a while, you know, you just get really excited about, you know, the, the fifteen hundred dollar Ingle or the Amplified Nation or the Magnetone or the Friedman or my Morgan or you know, hand wired fenders. So I mean that's what happens especially now because at some point I got a huge collection of amps and I just decided like, I don't want a variety amps anymore. I just want a few different really expensive. Not because they are expensive, just high end amps that I love that really speak to me emotionally and I, I connect with them and, and, and that's for me personally says nothing to do with the YouTube channel. But then when I go to look at amps sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm, I don't know, you know, I don't have a reference now of like, oh, what's a good amp to look at? So thank you for that suggestion. I'll check them out because that would be great. Something fun to do. Amp videos are really fun for me because they take a fraction of the time a deep dive takes. So I can make a video almost in a day and then, you know, put it out and, and doesn't get the same, you know, interactions from you guys. But still, I think it's good content, it's fun to make and it's again, it's not just, you know, just a ton of research to do. I don't know what that is. Okay, all right. The, this is this one was. Have I ever had any time to try out the Fender Tow Master Pro unit? That's their unit. That's kind of like the AX Effects. I have not. So I'm not on the Fender list to get gear sent to them. And so I don't get, you know, looks at stuff like that. So it's always, like, purposeful. In other words, like, I have to go after it. And I just. It hasn't been on my radar as a product, but I haven't tried it. I haven't had to put my hands on it yet. It's not something like, obviously, when I went to Sweetwater, you know, I make time to go through a bunch of products and try some stuff that I couldn't get my hands on before. And. But that's something that I can't do, like, in 30 minutes or an hour, you know, at a destination. I have to actually spend some time with it at home because I'm not super savvy with the tech side of that stuff. So it takes me a little bit to get familiar with it because I'm really familiar with the stuff I know. And not just everybody's stuff. And then that. That was an interesting one. This was two. Two topics that came in, and I thought they were cool. I want to sync them together. This first one was. Hey, Phil, I saw the interview with the Sweetwater CEO, which is Mike. Which is Mike. He says, great video. Thank you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he sounded and looked so Zen. Made me like him so much. You know, here's what's funny. So I. I thought this was great because, well, one, thank you for liking the video. For those who didn't see, I did a video. I did the interview with Mike Clem from Sweetwater. Now, let me give you the backstory on that, and I think that will be insightful for you guys and why that happened. So on the show, I publicly said I reacted to the CEO of Guitar Center. That's Gabe, and his future plans for Guitar Center. And of course, I said, I just don't think that's. I don't. I don't agree with it, you know, but again, who am I? But we're here. That's. We're here to talk. It's water cooler talk on Friday. I didn't agree with his plan. I didn't think is what I wanted as a customer. I was vocal about it because I have a platform. They read it, and they reached out to me and said, would you come and talk to him? Now, of course, if you call somebody out publicly, I think it's in very fair. They're saying they wanted you to come talk to them. You go talk to them. So I went to California, you guys know, in February, I went and talked to him. We sat down and I gave him my points and he gave me his responses, and I gave him the platform to give responses to my criticisms and my insights and ideas. In that case, that's what's important to know is a couple things. I only spent one hour and four minutes with him for the interview, and then I spent about another 20, 30 minutes with him after the interview talking to him. We talked about a few other things, again, that were not so much private. Just. Again, just at that point, we had talked. Then what happened was Sweetwater had reached out and asked me to come out to Sweetwater again to. To do a bunch of stuff. And in that discussion, they were like, do you want to. We would want to sit down and hang out with Mike. And they didn't even ask me to do an interview or a podcast. They just wanted me to. To hang out with him and maybe discuss things. Obviously, you know, maybe I have insight on the, you know, the social media world. I don't know, whatever it was. So I agreed. But then I said, can I. Can we do a podcast together? I thought the opportunity there was. Since I've done the CEO of Guitar Center, I should do the CEO of Sweetwater for compare and contrast. In other words, you can watch the two interviews. If you notice, I stacked them almost identically. Both videos were in it, so this is important to know. Both interviews I did with Guitar center and Sweetwater are both edited, and both edited to the same amount of time. About 37 minutes. Ish. Right? Just under 40 minutes. And both videos were 100 approved by guitar center and Sweetwater. So the reason that's important is that when you edit anything and somebody's in it, it's very, I think, professional polite and of course, just a decent thing to do to say, hey, here's an edit I think is more interesting than the original source material. Do you have any issues with this? Right, because I'm not changing your answers, but sometimes I'm cutting their answer down for flow purposes, but also just to keep in mind in case anyone's ever interested, without any exception, I mean, all the interviews I ever do, 90% of the edits is me. In other words, we're editing me out. You guys listen to me talk for two hours. You don't need to listen to Me talk when I'm talking to those guys. So a lot of times when people go, I like that you guys let them talk. I'm like, yeah, I didn't. We just edited to make it look like I did because I talk for a living in this kind of platform and they don't. So it's a really not a fair fight. It's like putting, you know, when you put somebody with me in a podcast platform, I can just go for two hours, no problem. They obviously are not as tenured that way, but I thought it would be cool to compare and contrast. The only difference though that's important to notice is they actually had me hang out with Mike. We spent hours together walking Sweetwater, walking the warehouse, getting to know each other and talking. So I think in the interview, I think it's more personable in his interview, but that wasn't planned. It just was both CEOs to me, I thought was very corporate sounding. Just how I kind of read it. A lot of people said, hey, they seem very corporate answers. Yep. They're guys that run billion dollar companies. I would imagine. I don't know this to her fact, I would imagine they're coached. Not for my interview, just in general. I'm sure they go to some kind of training. I would imagine. I can't imagine every CEO acts the same way just by this miracle of circumstances. You know, the hand more this then we see this and whatever it is. The only thing with Mike that's funny was he was a little bit more loose when I was personally talking to him. But I can tell you guys for a fact, just because I want you guys to understand it has nothing to do with him. 99% and I'm not exaggerating, I can even round it up to 99.99% of the people I video immediately change in front of the camera. Everyone does. They get really robotic and they get really monotoned and they calm down and they. Because they're on camera and people are not comfortable with cameras. You know, I. This is episode 428, two hours a piece. You know, I mean, think about that. It's 8, 900 hours, 800 and something hours of me talking. I'm very, I'm very comfortable now with the camera being on and me talking and I'm talking to no one. I mean, you guys think I'm talking to you. I'm. I'm actually talking to this Sony camera. But anyways, so, so they, they do act a little differently. You're not going to Expect them to be on as much. But really what I care about is I thought the compare contrast of the two was interesting to see. That ties into a question somebody gave me that I'm going to, you know, pigtail on. I don't know what I'm trying to say. This piggyback on it said, what did I learn interviewing the two CEOs? Well, something to understand and everybody's going to have opinions. And I, I take all the critiques seriously. I don't really agree with all the critiques that were given to me by a lot of the viewers in the comments, but I, I read them, I, I digest them. Just because I don't agree with them just doesn't mean anything. It just means like, I'm like, yeah, when I say I don't agree. It's just sometimes I'm like, yeah, if they knew what I knew, maybe they wouldn't think, like that kind of thing, right? But here's what I will tell you about the two CEOs. First of all, regardless of what anybody thinks, I don't work for Guitar center or Sweetwater. So I have no downside. Neither one of them would ever want the title of the show as being what I titled, like the CEO response to the decline of the industry. Trust me, they don't want that title. Like you think, you think Sweetwater was like, yeah, you should make a title where it's talking about the industry's declining. They, they, you know that they're in the retail game. They're in the, hey, when people are happy, they buy, make a podcast where people are happy. But, so I'm just saying I don't, I don't work for them, so I don't really worry about what they think or say about me or any of that stuff. That doesn't factor in. However, those two guys, Gabe and Mike, pretty much control 50% of guitar sales in the U.S. so I am very interested in what they think. And I'm also very interested in not pissing them off outright. Pissing them off. Not because I won't get gear sent to me or I won't work with anyone, just because, you know, you know, you try not to make enemies if you can, and you definitely don't want the two biggest people in the industry pissed at you. So I'm not going to actively talk to them in a disrespectful way, is what I'm trying to say. So I ask questions as respectful as I can because I really want to know the answer, especially on Mike's because the difference between Mike's and Gabe's, again, it's important, is Gabe's questions were tied to what I said. So I said these things. Let's discuss these things that I thought was the fair thing to do. With Mike, I didn't have anything to discuss. I was like. And I said. I was like. I even told the Sweetwater guys. I go, this is gonna be a boring interview. Sweetwater's killing it. And the whole interview is gonna be like, you guys are great. Why are you so great? I mean, what are you gonna say? And so what I did is I asked my patrons to give me questions. So I don't know how many of the questions were patron questions, but when I say I don't how many, I can tell you this. One question was Shauna's question. You heard her ask it. And two questions were mine, so the rest were all patron questions. So however many questions or topics I talked about, just understand two were mine, and the rest were patrons, so. And one was Shauna's. So that was a little different in the qa, too, is that those questions were specifically asked by you guys. In fact, actually, in all fairness, I had a list, and I think. And I don't know this for sure, and if Shawn is watching, maybe she'll put in the comments. I'm pretty sure the question she asked about, can you change your rep? I don't think that was her question. I think that was a question she noticed, again, you guys had asked, and maybe I hadn't hit it yet, and that's why she was, like, making sure it got in there, because I didn't hit it. So. Okay, but I didn't answer the part. What did I learn from interviewing both of them? What I learned was they're both a product of their environments. So what I mean by that is, if you look at Mike, he was really relaxed for the most part. He laughed when I made jokes. He wasn't tense. My guess is because Sweetwater's killing it, they're out. I mean, let's be honest. No matter what the industry's doing, good or bad, they're at the. They're at the peak of that. That's why we talk about them, because they're. They're winning. I'm. Again, I'm not talking about whether or not they have the best candy or if their sales reps the best and all that stuff, and then, oh, they buy. I. I don't really think, like. And again, I don't always agree with all you Guys. A lot of you guys would say in the comments, like, I, I, I love my Sweetwater rep, and he's amazing. Or she's amazing. I'm like, I don't have that feeling. I buy from whoever all the time. I don't just make that joke to them. On. I buy used gear from Guitar Center. In the last couple months, I bought a guitar from Chicago Music Exchange. I bought a. A guitar from Sweetwater. New, right? I bought a used guitar from Guitar Center. I bought a. Was it a used guitar, used amp, something from Zims. So a small store, right? It was all because of, like, Chicago Music Change had it, so that's where I bought it. Sweetwater had it, so that's where I bought it. Guitars that are had it, that's where I bought it. So I don't have it in me to go. I only shop at one particular place. I kind of just if, if, if it's the right price, I buy from them. If it's the right selection, I buy from them. If, you know, if it's, you know, available, I buy from them. So I really don't have that. But I think Mike was more relaxed because I think Sweetwater's in a position where they're doing great. And as long as you just, you know, keep the ship steered correctly, I think you'll be fine. Where I think Gabe at CEO of Guitar center, he's trying to fix a company that's not doing great. And so that comes across. So that's what I learned. I learned that, you know, it'd be interesting to me to see them in the opposite situations. I don't know if they would be different people, but I just thought it was weird that the one that was relaxed had a company that's booming and the one that seemed more tense, not. Not overly tense, but tense, and was focused. I thought it's like he's very focused on fixing Guitar Center. So I guess that's what I learned from them, too. So I don't know. Oh, yeah. See, somebody said Craigslist. I also bought an amp from Craigslist in the last couple months, too. I might have a problem. Now that I think about it, I should just say that right now. Okay, let's. Let's go. Another topic or question. Hey, Phil, what do you think of the Gretch G5422 TG? What are your thoughts on that particular instrument, please? Love the show. Long time, viewer. I love Gretsch guitars, period. And I will. I will tell you a couple things. So give me some, some insight on garage. I think they are uniquely cool. I have one right there. I think that owning all kinds. I've owned the Korean ones, I've owned the Chinese ones and I've owned the Japanese ones. And because obviously they want the Japanese ones and be the most premium. Because they have them be the most premium. Yeah, the Japanese ones are the best, best, but it's not because the Japanese make the best guitars. I, I'm not trying to offend anybody, but it's just the truth. The, the Japanese, that Gratch is not better because, you know, that factory makes a better guitar. It's just Gretch can command a lot more for a made in Japan Gretsch. So they, so they can actually make it more premium, you know, put, you know, nitro on it or whatever. Better pickups. I really like all of them. I was a little concerned when they move from the Korea factory, which I think was Mir is where they were building them in Korea. And then they moved to a China factory. You know, it's one of those things like, okay, it's going to be the same quality. I thought the, the new gretches made in China were better. And let me tell you why it's not because I think the Chinese factory, because I don't know who it factory it is, makes a better guitar than Mirror. I think that because they went to a factory was cheaper to make them, they could improve the quality. Something that we don't think about, something I didn't think about very much, is that when they move these manufacturing, you know, to from Korea, which now has a middle class and they have to pay the workers more and the cost of living goes up and all the costs go up. You know, they can take and go to a country where it's a little less expensive and they can build a guitar. Yeah, they can make it because it's less expensive, but they can also improve the quality of it because their, you know, their margin opens up, you know, and obviously they want more sales. They want a good margin and they want. But they also want a price point and value. So I think those are really good Gretsch, though. What I find is I think everybody, if you can find the right Gretsch and the right price and you buy a Gretch, I think everybody should try a Gretch. I will tell you though, that I think most players do not stick with a Gretch. It's just one of those instruments. It's a. You either love it or you just indifferent. About it. I don't know too many people that don't like them or hate them, but a lot of people become indifferent about it. You just pick them up, you play it. It's just not your typical hollow body guitar. It is something unique and that's what's really cool about it. I've said this before. The one thing that's great about Gretch though is, is that if I was to, I believe this from experience, if I had to bring 10 random strangers into my office right now and said, hey, which guitar do you think is most beautiful? You'd be shocked how almost every one of them would pick that Gretch, which is really shocking to me. But it happens a lot. There's just something about them. And I said this before, Gretches. I think the theory is my theory of why so many people pick a Gretsch. Non guitar players as being such a beautiful instrument is the same reason you pick classic cars. You know, I don't know. If you don't know anything about cars and you go to a car show and you see a vintage 57 Corvette and they go, oh, look at that car. You know, 57, you know, Chevy, oh, look at that car. Right? Or whatever, right? Whatever this old nostalgic car is, I think it's because it's a classic. And because it's a classic, it just, it's timeless and it just looks cool. So that's my short. That's my long way of saying, go buy the Gretch. And it's Memorial Day weekend, so is it Memorial or Labor Day weekend? Are we on Labor Day weekend? It's gotta be Labor Day, right? Labor Day weekend. So there's a sale. Go find a sale. Some are great, some are not. I bought a guitar on Chicago Music Exchange and I got 20 off. I was not very excited about that, but hey, it was something. I couldn't get anybody to budge on the price. I found two or three and I reached out to the. I didn't even reach out. I gave up by Chicago Music Exchange. I went, I found three I liked. I reached out to two dealers. Neither one of them wanted to give me a discount of any kind. I was like, okay, fair enough. And so then Chicago Music Exchange, and I was like, I'm like, I already knew they were gonna say no. But then they had a 20%. They had a twenty dollar off coupon. So I was like, oh, I'll use the coupon. And the coupon worked. So I got 20 bucks off. 20 bucks. Okay, so we have it says, hey, it's a new guitar day. Kind of after a 20 month wait, my custom shop Jackson arrived 20 month. That's actually not that bad for a Jackson custom shop, but okay, it plays great. But they flipped the location of the toggle switch and the, and the pot volume, pot. What do you think is a fair discount to keep it? You know, I don't know. My go to is always 10%. I mean especially on a guitar like that where they're expensive, where it's like, you know, $7,000, $8,000, $6,000, you know, and you're talking about $600 off 10%. But I gotta understand. You gotta understand. I think in the fact that I was a retailer for so long, I think in the, I think in the what I know the margins to be, you know, on a custom shop instrument, there's more margin. They're gonna hate me for telling you that, but it's usually the case. Usually that's the whole point. You the reason why though, just so you know, it's not like, oh, the dealers make way more money on custom shop. Typically you'll make more money on a custom shop instrument because you're going to be carrying a lot more money in inventory on a lot less inventory. Does it make sense? And they're a little, they don't flip as fast. Obviously you expect to sell a lot of, you know, 500 guitars where a $5,000 guitar, you're not going to flip as fast. So you generally will have some more margin in that. And. But I think since the manufacturer, what I do, this is what I do. Same thing I did notice how I did the washburn thing, Right. Perfect example. Right. It's, it's, you know, congruent. I walk the talk. Walk that I talk to talk. In other words, I what I'm advising you, you just saw me do in the last couple episodes. I bought a washburn. It was also defective. And I asked for 10% off and I asked for the manufacturer to give it to me and they didn't give it to me. They gave me a token. I will tell you this, you know, in my situation, I just didn't want to fight it. In your situation, I would, I would ask for 10%. But. But I could also argue that it's really smart to ask for 15% or 20% and hopes to get 10%. There's a little bit of that, you know, you want to be a little savvy, you know, you don't have to tell him like, hey, I saw this guy Phil McKnight, and he told 10% off, you could be like, no, I was 15% off. You know, and, and when they say they can't do that, maybe they'll get, you know, 10%. But I think 10% is fair. Right. The other thing that's fair is have them correct the issue and, and then, you know, maybe put some new strings on it and make sure it's freshened up for you. That would really, I can tell you right now, if I was the dealer, because I was a Jackson Custom Shop dealer, just like I did Fender Custom Shop, I could tell you what I would offer to you as a, as the dealer. I would want to correct the problem. And so how would I do that? I would say, hey, look, I'm going to fix that. I'm going to swap those things, right? Take care of it. And then also restring your guitar, make sure it's set up right, and then throw in, like, usually we would have like a goodie. A goodie we can throw in. You know, you usually want to give somebody a little something. It's always nice to give them like that, you know, like, here's a 50 guitar cable too, or something wins for us as a dealer was items that I could give you that had value to you of a much higher amount. So in other words, like, I'm giving to give you a hundred dollars worth of stuff and $200 worth of service. And you're like, oh, it's $300. But to me, it was, I'm gonna eat the service because it's my labor and, or, and the, the stuff only cost me half of what I'm, you know, I, I'm giving you. So something like that. But ultimately, you know, it's not your job to, you know, to, to decide like that. You, you just need the problem corrected. You're the customer. The customer is always right. So you should basically say, I want a discount or I want it fixed or I want it fixed in a discount. I just find that, you know, my always advice is to be reasonable. And that's just because that's just a good conduct to have in life. But it's up to you. Some people ask for the world and they get it. You know, you throw a big fit, you're gonna get it. I just. And it's not because I'm. Well, no, it's because I'm biased. I obviously, I really concerned that you as the customer gets taken care of because I care about you as a customer. Your experience as a guitar Player or somebody who watches the show. But I also care about dealers because I used to be one too. And, you know, but that's what I would say. Now, of course, you didn't say who the shop was, if it's a smaller shop, but if it's like a big shop, like if it's Sweetwater you bought it from, well, then I would ask for more, because Sweetwater will take care of you. They have the resources to take care of you much better. So. So that's just my suggestions. But I would definitely hope that you get some kind of discount or better yet, just get right. In other words, taken care of in a little bit. You know, in a little thank you for your patience and understanding, because that's what I would. That's why when I said I would fix the problem, but fixing the problem just gets you jack to square one. It doesn't make you as 100% whole. So that's why a little gift or something to say thank you for the patience and letting us deal with this. So I could. I could always argue, and I always will, that when a customer is how. When an easy transaction happens and a customer happens, that's not. That is not the extent of your customer service. In other words, if you go, we have really great customer service. Like, yeah, your customer service isn't determined when everything goes right. It's when everything goes wrong. That's when you determine how customer service is right. If I walk up to a counter, if I order, you know, a burrito and I walk up to the counter and I grab it and I get to my car and it's right, and I go home, and I don't go, wow, that customer service was amazing. It's when I go. And I go, what's these three tacos? And they go, that's what you ordered? And I go, no, I ordered a burrito. You know, it's. Then is where customer service gets to shine. It's how you take care of a customer when they need you to take care of them. That's your poor. That's your purpose. When I say that is, look, the person on the counter didn't make the tacos or the burrito. Their job is to take care of you. The dealer didn't make that guitar. Their dealer is there to take care of you. So that when the manufacturer makes a mistake, there's somebody there to take care of you. So hopefully they take care of you. It's. It's. It's why I believe that I think it's. It's again. You know, I've said this before, every time I've ever heard Sweetwater. And I think sweet people, what people understand is this and Sweetwater, about Sweetwater and my discussions of Sweetwater, I talk about them a lot because like I said, they're winning. Okay, so then my curiosity is why? I gotta tell you, just like any, any dealer, when Sweetwater's ad started hitting hard in Guitar World, remember when those ads started popping? That was about the mid 2000s, so about 2005, 6, right in the middle of. Of the recession, just all of a sudden you'd open Guitar World. There's a whole page ad of Sweetwater. You're like, what the hell's a Sweet water? Right? I just remember each customer buying from Sweetwater and I remember being so upset because I couldn't compete with them. I just couldn't compete. Okay? And I'll tell you this, this is an honest to God true story that I told Mike Klim personally. Okay? We were discussing this. It didn't make it on the podcast. It's not something that was for the podcast. It's just something that explains this why I think the way I do when Sweetwater started becoming huge and I'd see more and more customers buy guitars from them online, you know, and as someone who was selling guitars at the store, had a store, this wasn't a good sign. This is. I had the feeling of, I can imagine now what people at Blockbuster Video felt like when they saw Netflix and people holding Netflix, you know, envelopes in their hand. Like, I remember that feeling. Like you could feel it. Like it would creep up your spine like, this is the future. And. But you didn't understand it. So I would ask people, people go, oh, I love Sweetwater. They're so great. I'm like, they just shipped you a guitar. Wasn't worried about that. I'm here. Look at me. I can help you. I can answer questions. I can take care of you. I can service the account. I'm better. But every time somebody said something positive about Sweetwater, it was always something that went wrong. And I actually, at first, my first impressions of that was they suck. Sweetwater sucks. And people are wrong. People are just wrong. You're all wrong. Stupid people that are wrong. I go, why do you like what? Sweetwater is great. Why are they great? They go, sweetwater is great. I go, why? And they go, oh, I ordered a guitar and it came. It was in the wrong color. I'm like, what? And they're like. And they immediately shipped Me the new one. And then they sent me a thing and they call tag the old one. And then they made sure that the one I got was right. And I'm like, they screwed up. They're not good. They screwed up. But over time, I started realizing what I'm telling you, which is good customer service is when you screw up, that's when you need service, and that's when they happen. And what's funny, this is a funny, funny story that you guys may or may not know. I've talked about this, but it's the discussion I had with Mike Clem. Mike and I were talking before the podcast. We were in the van. We were in a van going from. Because the campus is huge, you go from one building to another. And I told him this story and I said, you know, when Guitar center people used to tell me, as a small business, it must be hard to compete with Guitar Center. And I never thought it was hard to compete with Guitar center ever. And the reason being is that Guitar center was, was always one game. It was always. They were just going to discount, you know, especially back then. You guys have been around long enough. You know this story. It was always somebody coming your store. And like, guitars didn't sell it to me for, you know, sometimes cost. Musician friend was really bad too. It's like, they look, my cost was $700. I had it listed for 999, which is the map. Somebody come in and go, guitar center will do it for, you know, 705. And I'm like, dude, it's $5 over cost. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, I gotta sell it to you for I make $5. Right? This is crazy. But you would match. I did. We did. I would match. And I would grunt and grit my teeth and be like, yeah, it's great. You guys are awesome. Here you go. But I think, like, how am I gonna survive on five dollar transactions? But it was fair. In my opinion, was a fair fight. Here's why it's fair fight. They weren't gonna make much either. Even though they had a higher margin than I did. They, they were at 7,$705. They, they had a bigger discount. They didn't have a 30% margin. They probably had 40% margin. So to them, they were still cutting in their margins, but at least they were discounting for real. This is what I was telling Mike Clem. I said, when Sweetwater came out, I really hated them. I really hated Sweetwater. And the reason I hated them was they were pushing at the time, this 55 point inspection. A setup at the time, a setup. And people come in my store and they would go, hey, what's your best price on this guitar? And I go, you know, a thousand dollars, you know, and they go, oh, well, Sweetwater is throwing in a free setup. And I'd be like, okay, well, I'm doing the math in my head. I'm like, well, set up for us is a hundred dollars plus the time, plus the trick, you know, because we got to take care of this guitar. It's not even just the money, it's the time. Right? And that's why I was so, so critical of them. Again, this is what I was telling Mike. I was so critical of you guys when I bought a guitar from you as a YouTuber and it wasn't great. And I said in that video, you can go back to that video to this day. I said, if I would have bought the guitar from Sam Ash Guitar Center, I wouldn't have said anything. But, you know, Sweetwater said, they set it up. And I said, and why I like Sweetwater is I did the video. Of course, the video got views, of course. Saying because it was, you know, at the time was negative, it was created a lot of drama for me and everyone. And Sweetwater immediately reached out and Mike didn't know the story by this particular part of the story. And I said, sweetwater reached out and they were trying to service, they were trying to give customer service. And they reached out to me and they said, hey, we're really sorry this happened to you. We saw the video. We'd like to give you a guitar and fly you out. We're gonna fly you out and have you come to Sweetwater and we're gonna take you to a baseball game. I wish I could understand this logic, but I'm just telling you what they said. We're gonna take you to a baseball game. We'll take you out to dinner. We're gonna show you the facility, you know, Right? Just. And we're gonna, we're gonna give you that guitar. And I said, that's horrible. I said, nobody wants to watch The Math Sol YouTuber get a free guitar because they, they complained. I said, why don't you just explain the 55? Because at that time, you know, they didn't disclose the 55 point inspection. I know I've told this part of the story before. I know I'm going over it, but I just want to tell you the Mike Limb part. And I told Mike, I said, I said. And then you guys, Sweetwater said, okay, we'll publish the 55 point inspection. Those you guys who are die hard viewers of the show know that they not only did that, but they let me publish it on my website and here on the channel for months before they actually officially put it out. That was a they. I worked with them to make the 55 point inspection. You know, I gave them some feedback. We went back and forth on it, and then they published it. And they. And on their own accord, they made those cards. I didn't even suggest those cards, although that's a great idea. I just said it should be on their website. And I. But the point, the point that I made to Mike was that when they first reacted to me, their first reaction to that, to my statement was, but if we publish it, then people will get the guitars and then they'll just nitpick all the. All the things and say, oh, you didn't see, it says here, you check this off, but you didn't do it. And I said, well, then don't do it. You can't claim it and not do it. And I told him, this is the important part of the story. I said, because that's cheating. Guitar center wasn't cheating. See, Guitar center took money off the price of the guitar, and if I take the price off the money off the car, we're fighting. But it's a fair fight. It's. Do I want a discount? Yeah, I'll discount to match Guitar Center. But you weren't doing a setup and people thought you were. You're just doing an inspection and you were really harming the small dealers. And I think. And that's what people understand. I wasn't trying to help Sweetwater. I was trying to help small dealers. Because at the core of it, I care about small dealers, which is why I show them all this stuff. Because I think ultimately what's killing small dealers is not the Internet. It's because of people like Sweetwater understanding that when you screw something up, you make it right. So that's my very long, boring way of saying to you about your Jackson. They need to make it right, because that's what good customer service is. Or they can lose the Sweetwater, because that's what's gonna happen. I don't know. All right, this next one says, hey, Happy Friday. I'm up Skilling. I'm upskilling on fretwork. And I have purchased a new. I purchased a few sub$200 guitars you recommended. Donating, which I love. Best places to donate shipping Seems like a bad idea. Yeah, don't ship them. And definitely donate local. Here's what I gave up on. You know, I used to try to focus on what. So those that are outside the US won't know what this means. A 501C. So those people in the US some of you know what this is. I'll explain. So you always know in, in the United States, a 501C is a legitimate, is a legitimate charity. In other words, they have, they have the paperwork. It's a 5oC 501C form with the government, United States government. So it means they're a legitimate charity. Okay. So I used to try to find legitimate charities. Okay. So 5.1cs what I found is 501cs for the most part want money, not stuff. So I tried to give them a guitar. I've had this headache before. I try to give them a guitar instead. They don't want a guitar, they just want money. And it just became problematic. So what I learned is from my experience, because I've given away a lot of guitars on this channel, I'd like to give even a lot more. I do like guitars for vets still around and they have local chapters. So let's start there. They are a 501C. So let's start there. Guitars for vets. I pick them because they are two things I care about, which is veterans and ptsd. Those can be one in the same. Veterans have PTSD and then people who are not veterans have ptsd. Obviously anything that's mental health or physical health and of course veterans, these are things that are connected to me. In other words, in some ways I relate to them in a lot of ways. So I care about them. Obviously kids, I have kids, I care about children. So there's things like, I like those too as well. But I've also learned for me personally, my best experiences, although guitar spreads has been good, my best experiences have been teachers and churches. So if you're not religious, I understand that. And you don't want to give it to church, just give to a school. I have had really good luck and I found, and it's always happened with word of mouth, you know, you don't even have to be a parent. You don't have to have school age children. You just find some of your friends that have a school and say, hey look, I'm looking to give some guitars. Can you, can you talk to the teacher every. I've had no problem. The teachers have always been thankful to get guitars in the classroom, to the Kids use the guitars and help the kids. You don't get any tax credits because it's, you know, because it's not legitimate that way, which is fine. You know, if that's not something you're concerned about getting a, you know, your tax credit or whatever, I, at this point, I just want to like you. I don't want to ship a thing. I just want to hand it to somebody who can use it and put it to good use. That is where I found the best use for the guitars. So if you notice, I've donated to local schools and. And in most cases what happens is like all community, somebody will come get it from you. I've never had to take a guitar. Like, I've given guitars to the Alice Cooper teen rock centers, which is great. I've given guitars to guitars or vets, which is great. But giving guitars to either music programs in churches or schools, every time I've had somebody just come and get it, like talk about making my life easy. They just showed up, got the guitar, said thank you, and they always send you pictures of some kid using it. Like there's, there's always this thought and thankfulness in it. And I think it's because we forget them because they're not charities, you know. Right. And they're not official 5:1Cs. So that's just my suggestion. But there's also a ton of charities you can look into and whatever makes you feel good. But I've had really good luck with that and putting me. And so, you know, in most cases, in almost all the cases, what you're really donating to is an after school program. There's teachers that will give you lessons after school and they do it off book. In other words, they're just donating their time. So having some guitars for the kids and they give them to the kids or they keep them. I don't know. I think both. I think in some cases they keep them. They have them for kids as they come back and then some just, you know, give them to the kids. Whatever works. So let's see. Justin wants to know. He says, hey, have a coffee on me. Yes, thank you. I plan to. I gotta go to the grocery store after this, so I will. After the show. Well, I had, I had the poop coffee, so, you know, I'll have some on the show. It comes in little cool little. I don't have explain it. Super cool little things that kind of hang over the cup. Shawna had it, I had it. Ralph and his girlfriend had it. It was very Good. I enjoyed it. Shauna said she's not really huge into the dark roast over the lighter roast. It was a little bit of a dark roast, but I thought it was really good for those that, you know, we're talking about the coffee Luak stuff that we talked about from Indonesia. It was very good. And we have left because it, you'll see, I'll. I'll have. Next Friday, I'll have one on the show. And then Chris is bringing up that most the Boss pedals are included in the Poscaton amp. This is in reference to me earlier going on a tirade about the Boss pedal that doesn't have pedals included. And that's my whole point, isn't it? It's just to me, it just seemed. And again, I don't want to go back down that road, but the new Boss pedal just seems out of sorts for boss. I feel like Boss was always a value company. Like they gave us like the Boss Katana to me, seems like a lot of value for the price you pay. A Boss pedal seems like a lot of value for the price you pay. You know, it's a timeless thing. Think about this. It's a company that made products that are known for lasting forever almost. You know, you get a Boss pedal just keeps going forever and ever and ever. It's a one time purchase. And so this new. I just don't like this new way of thinking, but especially for them because, you know, does a new company try that stuff? Sure. But I don't think Boss is that company. I think boss. I think, I think it devalues Boss trust with the consumer. Does with me. The results of the poll. In the poll, let's see what you guys said. You said, should all effects be included in the boss pedal? 80% of you said yes. 19% of you said no. 1% of you apparently don't vote. I don't understand how to. I said not. How does a. How does a 5050 poll not come to a total of 100? Okay, so 846 votes. Let me screen. Grab this. We have it for later. So. And again, I kind of feel like that was a really slanted poll because the way I pray I phrased it. But I do want to say that I was in shock. Obviously, we don't want to pay. You don't want to pay for effects. And I think the real big thing there was. I think the real big thing was that I was looking to see how many people would vote. Like, in other words, show like maybe, you know, it's okay for them to make a little money off of us by selling us, you know, things. I'm just. I'll tell you, I'm just getting sick and tired of it. That's why I told you I don't like phone apps on phones anymore. Any product with an app on, you know, that reaches out to me. I'm always like, no. And they think it's cuz like, like I'm old and I don't know how to use a phone. I'm like, I literally make my living with a phone. So I don't know how savvy I am with a phone, but I can tell you this. I made a living off this damn thing. Literally this entire channel was built off of a phone. Not only but video content, but just everything I do. I mean, I can run a business off a phone better than I can a computer. But that being said, this industry does not have a good history of making good apps. They make usually crappy apps and then don't support them. And I hate it. They don't, they don't get all the bugs out of the app, which is annoying, and then they eventually stop supporting it. And that goes for their software too. But the apps are horrible too. I want to thank you guys for hanging out to the end of the video until next Friday. Know your gear and tip your waiter if you're learning something or having a good time. Don't forget you can subscribe for free and help this channel or for $10 a month, you can join me on Patreon for live clinics where you can ask questions every single week.