Knowledge Fight Episode #1079 Summary
“Knowin' Shroyer — Owen Vs. Babar”
Date: September 22, 2025
Hosts: Dan & Jordan
Overview
In this episode, Dan and Jordan analyze right-wing media ecosystem drama—specifically, they take a break from directly covering Alex Jones to examine a recent solo stream by former Infowars host Owen Shroyer. They focus on how Shroyer is redefining himself post-Infowars, the challenges and contradictions of his messaging, and the far-right's reaction to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The conversation delves into conspiratorial thinking, competing anti-Semitic codewords, and the struggles of grifters in the world of right-wing media.
Tone: Sarcastic, incisive, exasperated.
Key Themes: Media grifting, right-wing factionalism, anti-Semitic codes, the commodification of conspiracy, and performative outrage.
Bright Spots [00:10–04:12]
- Dan celebrates a pleasant weekend with family at Bigfoot Beach State Park—only to discover the park is named after a Native chief, not Sasquatch.
- “I should have just assumed racism. Why didn’t I do that?” (Jordan, 01:44)
- Jordan rediscovers Australian instrumental rock band Dirty Three and expounds on their “primordial, dark violin sound.”
- “This music sounds like if you walked into a saloon, a ghost cowboy is listening to it.” (Jordan, 03:37)
Why Owen Shroyer? [08:02–10:36]
- Dan explains his decision to watch Owen Shroyer’s new solo stream (“The Elephants in the Room,” Sept. 16, 2025).
- Shroyer is unique among Infowars defectors: trying to build his own media presence after a public split with Alex Jones.
- No other Infowars alum has both left on bad terms and attempted to continue in media.
- “There's an obvious way to do it right, which is destroy Alex...and eat from his bones.” (Dan, 09:19)
Owen’s Stream Starts: Limp Bizkit, Gold Grifting, and Media Codes [11:11–22:46]
Limp Bizkit: The Anthem of the Unaware?
- Owen opens his show with a new Limp Bizkit song—a strange choice, since the band’s politics don’t align with the far right.
- Dan notes the irony: “Owen is one of the people watching Limp Bizkit get drowned in milk and he doesn't even realize it.” (Dan, 13:41)
New Grift: Gold Sponsorship
- Owen launches his stream with a “sponsored” microphone, pushing a convoluted gold-coin membership scheme (“Wolfpack Gold” run by Wise Wolf).
- “If you're paying $10 for something you give to—you get $35 from somebody for—you’re making $25.” (Dan, 17:11)
- Dan investigates the sketchy gold business—uncovers a web involving Christian celebrity connections and scammy pricing.
- “Either Owen’s microphone sponsor is part of one of the most influential Christian families in the country, or he's a crypto enthusiast who has the same last name. Either way, bad investment, but perfect scam. 10 out of 10.” (Dan, 19:45)
Dan & Jordan’s Take
- Owen is imitating Alex Jones’s style—mirroring sponsor grifts, but without Jones’s flair for camouflage.
- “You gotta take pride in your work, no matter what that work may be...selling gold, you gotta do better than this.” (Jordan, 20:33)
The “Elephants” in the Room [21:44–36:03]
Owen’s Framing
- He claims the Kirk assassination forces the movement to finally confront “elephants in the room.”
- His “elephants”: U.S. involvement in wars (especially with Israel), Wiles ("Netanyahu’s campaign manager") running the Trump White House, deep state, Epstein, and free-speech fears.
- Subtext: The "elephants" are really about Jewish influence, Israel, and the decline of right-wing code language.
- “In case you're curious, the elephants in the room are like Jewish people and there being a Zionist-occupied government.” (Dan, 22:40)
Meta-Commentary
- Dan and Jordan break down the far-right’s constant use of coded language for anti-Semitic beliefs, noting that the window for coded “globalist” rhetoric is closing.
- “This environment requires facing some elephants in the room. The time is fast approaching when these guys are gonna have to put up or shut up.” (Dan, 26:58)
- They argue Owen knows, deep down, that to keep his audience he will have to go full Nazi—there’s little market for half-coded hate.
Charlie Kirk’s Funeral: A Far-Right Catch-22 [47:32–56:13]
The Big Elephant: Kirk’s Assassination and the Funeral
- The Kirk assassination creates a moment of reckoning.
- Both mainstream and Nazi-adjacent far-right want to claim Kirk as their own, but his Israel support complicates matters.
- Trump and party figures are expected to speak at Kirk’s memorial. Owen points out the tension: if Trump shows or speaks but avoids “the elephants,” he loses the fringe base; if not, he alienates moderates.
Dan’s Analysis
- “The code doesn’t work anymore.” The right’s internal divisions are made explicit around Kirk’s legacy and Israel.
- “Both sides desperately need Trump to validate their version of Charlie.” (Dan, 51:15)
Owen’s Conspiracy Theories: Kirk, Israel, and the FBI [58:25–90:53]
“Best-Case” and “Worst-Case” Scenarios
- Owen vacillates between suggesting the FBI botched the Kirk shooting investigation and full-coverup/false-flag conspiracy.
- Example: “Best-case scenario, the FBI got the right guy, but they fucked up the case so bad…” (Owen, 58:25)
- He assigns faux-probabilities (e.g., “60% it’s a left-wing assassin, 40% professional job”), but lacks narrative conviction and Alex’s bravado.
- “Alex just talks shit. Owen isn’t talking.” (Dan, 91:01)
- “You have to say it was two guys. That’s what people want.” (Jordan, 88:07)
Sloppy Sleuthing and Meaningless Details
- Owen fixates on irrelevant connections (e.g., a photo of a Utah protester with a local GOP figure) and wild numeric odds.
- He parrots Alex’s style of implication but with less showmanship—or plausible deniability.
Simulation Paranoia & Valhalla
- Owen entertains cracked “simulation” theories—e.g., the shooter had a Goat Island screensaver, and a Trump official mentioned “Valhalla” at the press conference.
- Dan and Jordan mock the emptiness: “If that’s enough for Owen to start questioning if he’s in a simulation, then he's just looking for an excuse.” (Dan, 98:15)
Anti-Semitism, Israel, and Performative Outrage [110:37–124:50]
Dancing Around the Real Problem
- Owen attempts to draw the classic pseudo-distinction between Israel and “the Jews,” but Dan points out he is swimming in a culture that deliberately conflates them for the sake of bigotry.
- “There is a message of like, hey, I don’t mean Jewish when I… am trying to make this about Israel. I’m trying. I mean, I can’t, but I’m trying.” (Dan, 111:33)
- Contradictions: Owen says he doesn't care about “Israel/Palestine,” but then obsesses over U.S. Congressional trips to Israel, money, and historic Jewish conspiracy memes.
- Riffing on Charlie Kirk’s actual pro-Israel record, they demonstrate how the far-right turns on its own dead if it serves a faction.
Bad Evidence, Worse Reasoning
- Owen misreads a Netanyahu chart and rants about U.S. support for Israel—without understanding the terms of the data.
- “All I’m saying is that the source that Owen’s trying to use here says the opposite of what he’s pretending it says. And he doesn’t seem to realize it. That’s all.” (Dan, 124:50)
Grift and Grievance
- In the end, Owen reveals his new media venture is on hold—he needs to buy a new house.
- “[It] really makes it feel like he’s in touch with the... ‘we’re hurting, man.’” (Dan, 104:14)
The Real Elephant: Alex Jones [126:17–132:51]
- Owen never addresses his break with Alex Jones directly, but dances around it. Dan and Jordan hone in:
- “If you’re in Owen’s position and talking like this...and you don’t explicitly say, ‘I’m not talking about my boss that I just had a really ugly breakup with...’ you’re talking about him.” (Dan, 129:14)
- In the “hyper-male centric” world of Infowars drama, not calling out your rival leaves you the loser.
- “You cannot be in this space and go, ‘Somebody... maybe…’” (Jordan, 129:21)
Final Thoughts & Prognosis [134:01–135:59]
- Dan and Jordan speculate whether Owen will step up—by either launching a feud with Alex or becoming a more extreme figure—or sink into increasing irrelevance.
- “He is at a crossroads where we could see him take on a challenge or we could see him continue to do whatever this is.” (Dan, 134:31)
- Dan hints at possible future coverage if Owen makes a compelling move.
Notable Quotes & Timestamps
- “I think Owen’s being sincere here, though. I think he does like Limp Bizkit.” (Dan, 12:08)
- “Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.” (Jordan, 00:04)
- “He's just saying that Israel runs our government, which is the same thing that the extreme right wing has been saying the whole time he's been alive.” (Dan, 33:22)
- “Both sides, they want to own his legacy and they don't want to share... his death threatens to make a bunch of stuff that they disagree on way too explicit.” (Dan, 50:32)
- “[Owen] lacks narrative conviction and Alex’s bravado. ‘Alex just talks shit. Owen isn’t talking.’” (Dan, 91:01)
- “There’s a dominance display that has happened...and what you’re doing is you’re signaling that you’ve lost.” (Dan, 130:33)
Key Timestamps
- 00:10 – Bright spots, musical tangents
- 08:02 – Why focus on Owen Shroyer?
- 11:11 – Owen’s stream: Limp Bizkit, gold grift, and codes
- 21:44 – “Elephants in the room,” underlying anti-Semitism
- 47:32 – Kirk’s funeral as a right-wing inflection point
- 58:25 – Owen’s “best/worst case” conspiracy theorizing
- 90:53 – The meaninglessness of Owen’s evidence
- 110:37 – Distinguishing Jewish people from the state of Israel—badly
- 124:50 – Mistaking data, missing the point
- 126:17 – The unspoken Alex Jones / Owen Schroyer drama
- 134:01 – Prognosis and closing thoughts
Conclusion
Dan and Jordan use Owen Shroyer’s flailing post-Infowars career as a springboard for incisive commentary on the state of right-wing media, the performative nature of conspiratorial grifting, and the deep fractures within American far-right movements. The episode is a mix of sharp media analysis and comedic riffing, exposing both the absurdity and danger of the current right-wing landscape.