#1082: October 3, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1082: October 3, 2025

Release Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Dan & Jordan

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Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan check in on the latest from The Alex Jones Show, focusing on events from October 3, 2025. They dissect Infowars’ ongoing financial/bankruptcy saga, Alex’s launch of a new app, his pivots on war and politics, and how all of this fits into the slow decline of his career and media empire. This is a shorter, moodier episode with plenty of critical analysis, gallows humor, and a recurring motif of legacy, martyrdom, and the inability of Alex or his imitators to go out in a blaze of glory.

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Episode Structure

• [00:12] – [04:41]: Bright Spots & Pop Culture Banter
• [07:53] – [10:51]: Alex Jones & Infowars: Cognitive Dissonance & Decline
• [12:32] – [17:00]: Bankruptcy Update & Infowars Legal Troubles
• [17:00] – [22:10]: Bragging About Influence and Audience Size
• [22:18] – [27:08]: Trump, War with Venezuela, and War Rhetoric
• [27:49] – [34:07]: The New Infowars App and App Store Rankings
• [35:06] – [44:52]: Soros Judges, Antifa Paranoia, and Shadow Banning Myths
• [45:03] – [54:48]: Hard Sell: The App as Survival Strategy & Legacy Talk
• [54:55] – End: War Justifications, Selling Supplements, and Reflections on Martyrdom

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Podcaster Banter & Series Tone ([00:12] – [07:53])

• Dan and Jordan riff about TV (MacGyver), the strange evolution of countries, 80s hero tropes, and the transactional nature of pop culture (Taylor Swift’s new album).
• Quote from Jordan:
  “He solves the chemical plot and rejects a ride out…so he can stay and help these people. He’s a great guy.” [02:31]

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2. Alex Jones – Cognitive Dissonance and the Show’s Decline ([07:53] – [12:32])

• Dan and Jordan reflect on the difficulty of taking Alex’s pronouncements seriously: he’s now supporting actions (sending troops to cities, war posturing) that contradict his supposed anti-government, anti-war identity.
• Jordan sums up the inflection point for Alex:
  “His existence as an entity is somewhat invalidated by his actions.” [10:42]

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3. Infowars’ Bankruptcy & Legal Theater ([12:32] – [17:00])

• Jordan explains the latest bankruptcy maneuvers: Free Speech Systems (Infowars’ parent) may revert to Alex by default because no buyers are willing to bid in the auction, but this doesn’t shield the business from future state court actions. It's a loss of options for Jones but not an existential threat because he's already prepping backup business fronts.
• Dan notes the dark legal significance:
  “This should be studied in law schools…look at the holes in our system that we allowed this mouse to run through.” [15:02]
• Both agree: legal diminishment is real, but it’s not a “barrel and suspenders” moment.

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4. Bragging About Influence—Detached From Reality ([17:00] – [22:10])

• Alex Jones claims:
  “We’re number one. We’re bigger than Rogan, bigger than Tucker, bigger than everything. We’re number one again.” [17:35]
• Jordan and Dan quickly debunk this with actual numbers—InfoWars is dwarfed by both Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan in terms of audience.
• The podcast compares Jones’ delusional self-promotion to late-stage dictatorship propaganda:
  “I feel, borderline, like last days of a narco dictatorship...the king is in the castle just being like, ‘We’re gonna be rich forever.’” [20:20]
• Jordan:
  “If you watch [InfoWars] and you can nod along with him, you’re so deep you have no idea how deep you are.” [20:58]

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5. Glorifying War: Venezuela as the New Enemy ([22:18] – [27:08])

• Alex uncritically supports Trump’s escalation with Venezuela, using drug smuggling/fentanyl as the pretext for invasion.
• He claims:
  “I can tell you that Thomas Jefferson would invade Venezuela.” [23:22]
• Dan and Jordan highlight the contradiction: Alex is justifying another offensive war using the same logic as “deep state” maneuvers he’s historically opposed.
• Dan:
  “Now I want, like, an escalating cooking machine…Give him a ‘what if’ scenario, and listen to him talk himself into it.” [24:26]
• Jordan:
  “I find him to be a clown…Even based on…his own scheme.” [25:24]

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6. The Infowars App: Survival, Marketing, and Delusions of Grandeur ([27:49] – [34:07])

• Alex and Infowars launch the AJN (Alex Jones Network) app, described as “#2 in the world,” though it only briefly trends in the Apple News category.
• Chase Geyser, Infowars’ new business guy, is praised for his hustle and app design.
• Dan and Jordan reveal the truth: the app is a basic sales tool, not a platform for news, and popularity is inflated by quick pushes from a shrinking core audience.
  “If you’re under 100,000 downloads…that’s not what Infowars presents itself to be…It’s just a sales pitch.” [47:53]
• The “shadowban” narrative is invoked as a marketing ploy.

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7. Paranoia about ‘Soros’ Judges & Antifa ([35:06] – [44:52])

• Alex spins conspiracy about his judges (“literal antifa judge…blue hair, antifa uniform”), doubling down on culture war paranoia.
• Dan skewers the logic:
  “I want Elon Musk to buy the government for me. Right. That’s not good.” [37:04]
• The hosts highlight the self-defeating contradictions in Alex’s narrative.

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8. Gut Instinct as Truth & the End of ‘Documented’ Conservatism ([44:52] – [54:48])

• Alex launches into a riff about gut instinct trumping facts. He references military/police shooting and “race memory,” vaguely justifying errors as survival mechanisms.
• Jordan:
  “This is all just the same shit conservative pundits…said in the early 2000s. When you can’t win on logic, make it about ‘the gut.’” [42:09]
• Dan and Jordan critique the abandonment of facts and analysis for vibes—a fundamental shift in right-wing rhetoric.

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9. War, Opiates, and Selective Outrage ([54:55] – [59:56])

• Chase Geyser tries to justify war in Venezuela as a response to a “literal invasion”—comparing overdoses to wartime casualties.
• Jordan notes the hypocrisy:
  “Would Alex and Chase support using the military to take out the Sacklers? …Is it ethical to lie about what you’re doing to lure people towards supporting ethnic purity?” [57:50]
• War talk is reduced to culture-war racism and sloganeering.

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10. Selling Martyrdom: The Last Stand Super Sale ([60:24] – end])

• The app launch coincides with an “insane” buy-one-get-one-free supplement sale, marketed as the “Last Stand Super Sale”—framed as the modern Alamo.
• Jordan:
  “The story only works because those dudes died. Their death allows them to be used as symbols…You can’t be turned into a martyr unless you’re willing to do your part in the story.” [62:16]
• Dan and Jordan note that Alex’s continued hustle means he’ll never be a mythic martyr, just a “dipshit trying to get attention.”
• They reflect on history, legacy, and the inevitable decline of the Alex Jones mythos as his audience erodes and his cultural relevance fades:
  • “He’s greedy and won’t go away, so he can’t be turned into the martyr.” [66:53]
  • “We’re barreling towards the denouement…but it’s gonna be such a bad, boring denouement…it’s gonna be a dud.” [70:26]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (w/ Timestamps)

• On Alex’s self-delusion:
  “We’re number one again. And you just have to understand…when you’re in the pole position, it’s a very dangerous position…” – Alex Jones [17:35]

• On failing legacy:
  “He can’t die Bill Cooper. He will never have that end to his legacy that I think is ultimately what he needs. He lusts after being Colonel Travis.” – Jordan [62:39]

• On the collapse of Infowars as a mythic entity:
  “The Alamo is never going to go down, because…you’ve already played this game for years…It’s the boy who cried Colonel Travis in a way—and he’s never going to live that down.” – Jordan [63:29]

• On war rhetoric:
  “He’s just in favor of it now…I don’t understand how this is any different than any of his conspiracies.” – Jordan [24:18]

• On legacy and martyrdom:
  “If he just disappears after January 6th…then he’ll live on as a mysterious figure…now it’s just kinda like, yeah.” – Jordan [34:07]

• On gut thinking replacing ‘facts’:
  “All your instincts, all your life, all your experience, all your genetics, the spirit, everything is who you are…that first gut level thing is really always right.” – Alex Jones [39:52]

  • Dan & Jordan skewer this as the ultimate abandonment of critical thinking.

• On App manipulation:
  “Literally every comedian you’ve ever met can say they had an album that was number one on iTunes…You can usually manipulate some statistics around it that’ll give you a little feather you can wear in your cap.” – Jordan [29:56]

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Conclusion

Dan and Jordan frame this episode as a key chapter in Alex Jones’ “falling action”—the slow slide out of cultural relevance and myth, driven by self-preservation, self-delusion, and a dwindling audience still being sold a revolution (and some supplements). Alex’s legacy—once an emblem of outsider dissidence—is now inextricably tied to grifts, failed martyrdom, and business tactics no more meaningful than app store rankings. The tone is one of faint exasperation, dry humor, and resigned fascination with the coda of America’s most infamous conspiracy salesman.

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Contact: [standard Knowledge Fight closing tags and outro omitted]

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Transcript

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgefight.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy. Stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Dan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[Jordan]

I'm a huge fan.

[Alex Jones]

I love your word.

[Dan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Jordan]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

I'm Dan. I'm Jordan.

[Jordan]

We're a couple dudes. Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, talk a little bit about Alex Jost.

[Dan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Jordan]

Dan Jordan. Dan Jordan.

[Dan]

Quick question for you.

[Jordan]

What's up?

[Dan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is that I have continued to watch MacGyver.

[Dan]

Okay. All right.

[Jordan]

I watched the second episode. Little bit of a drop in excitement, a lot more gunplay. Helicopters, okay? He shoots a Roman candle at a car and it blows up.

[Dan]

That's fun and fantastic.

[Jordan]

He has to go to Burma.

[Dan]

Interesting. So this is. This is. Man, it's so funny whenever countries have changed their name in my lifetime.

[Jordan]

This is 1985.

[Dan]

Yeah. You think about it and you're like, oh, well, obviously Persia is not Persia anymore. But it didn't happen a couple of years ago, you know? So this is.

[Jordan]

So Burma goes to Burma.

[Dan]

Wild.

[Jordan]

He has to go. The government has lost a canister of chemicals just that are very dangerous.

[Dan]

Dangerous chemicals.

[Jordan]

Yeah. There's like a crash or something like that. So he's got to go in country to retrieve these chemicals, okay. And he stumbles across a guy who runs poppy fields and enslaves a local population.

[Dan]

Okay?

[Jordan]

And so MacGyver has to rally the local population to take out these. These opium growers.

[Dan]

So, A story, we gotta get these chemicals. B story, we gotta save the people first before we can get the chemicals.

[Jordan]

Interestingly, he solves the chemical plot and rejects a ride out of there on a helicopter so he can stay behind and help these people, okay. Free themselves from the slavery of the opium.

[Dan]

He's a good man. He's a good man.

[Jordan]

He's a. He's a great guy.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There's another little kid that he saves, of course. There seems to be a lot of Big Brother type energy.

[Dan]

Sure. Somebody's Gotta be. Yeah, somebody's gotta be. It's the mid-90s or, you know, nobody's. Nobody's out there for us anymore.

[Jordan]

He's shockingly playful in his taking out of drug cartel human slaver.

[Dan]

Is he. Is he. Is he a killer? Or does. Or do we try and, like, knock people out? You know what I mean?

[Jordan]

I think you. There's a lot of room for Knockout.

[Dan]

There's a lot of room for Knockout.

[Jordan]

There's a lot of. There's a lot of room for believing. These people aren't necessarily okay. Although some of them are.

[Dan]

Some of them are for sure dead.

[Jordan]

Well, the drug kingpin at the end of it gets impaled on a giant thing that'll happen. So there's some plausible like, well, MacGyver didn't kill him. Yeah, that dude was dead.

[Dan]

That dude got. He. The events that led. That began with MacGyver showing up looking for chemicals ended with that guy being impaled. Okay.

[Jordan]

All because he thought MacGyver was a DEI agent, not DEI.

[Dan]

Now.

[Jordan]

He thought he was trying to bring Woke to the opium trade.

[Dan]

That changes. That changes things.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Anyway, it wasn't as good as the first episode, and I'm gonna keep watching, but I will say that the kiss count has not gone up. Oh, it's still three kisses in the first episode.

[Dan]

Lot of kisses in the first. Front loaded. All the kisses.

[Jordan]

Zero kisses in episode two. So we're still at three.

[Dan]

Just dangerous chemicals. That's where we're at. No kissing.

[Jordan]

Yep. Unspecified chemicals that are in a little canister.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

That's great, right?

[Dan]

Yeah. Why? Yeah, why would I care?

[Jordan]

He ends up defeating this guy, this drug lord who's in a helicopter.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

By tying the helicopter to a Jeep. Perfect. And then cranking.

[Dan]

You got a cord.

[Jordan]

So the helicopter has to come down.

[Dan]

Those winches are really strong.

[Jordan]

And so are his arms. It's great. Anyway, what's your bright spot?

[Dan]

My bright spot is, I suppose it's got to be. Taylor Swift has a new album out, and I finished saying all the mean things that I can think of about it. Man, it's bad. It's really bad. Like, we're talking. There's one song that has a dollar sign in the name of it.

[Jordan]

Arlis. About Arlis.

[Dan]

If it was, it would probably be better, but it is just. It is horrible. Like, even. Even her other songs, you know, whenever I would make fun of them, at least they were oftentimes, you know, just regular pop songs that you can enjoy. And I was being unfairly Mean to them. Some of these are absolute trash. Like, real bad.

[Jordan]

Well, here's the problem that I have with this.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You would never say if it was good.

[Dan]

I would.

[Jordan]

No, you wouldn't.

[Dan]

I would if it was. I don't have to worry about it.

[Jordan]

See, that's what I'm saying. There is no way that she could make an album that you would say is good.

[Dan]

No, no, I agree with that, of course. But that's. That's my point. I mean, I'm conceding that I would be an asshole anyways, right, no matter what. So don't worry about whether or not I say it's good or bad.

[Jordan]

You're like Pitchfork.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

There's a pretension to your Taylor Swift hate.

[Dan]

Of course I'm doing it for the jo. I mean, I'm in it for the love of the game, but, yeah, it's fun.

[Jordan]

I. What's. Is there. Is there a track that you like there?

[Dan]

Okay, so there's. There's a lot of fucking Travis Kelsey in the album. That's what it's. That's what the whole album is about.

[Jordan]

Like, sound effects of them fucking, or does he do verses?

[Dan]

I mean, guest verse very much. A lot of it is like, hey, Travis, Kelsey's got a big dick. But, you know, in flowery language, it's like, if Emily Dickinson was like, man, I love fucking. So it's a lot like that.

[Jordan]

But don't you think a lot of people from history were saying stuff like, not Emily Dickinson.

[Dan]

Okay, but yeah, a lot of people were. Yeah. Yeah. But this. This one. So. So anyways, I think one of my favorite tracks is canceled because I love a good, extremely rich and famous person lamenting how canceled they are.

[Jordan]

Do you think it's possible that there's a satire to. Nope her.

[Dan]

That one?

[Jordan]

I haven't heard any of these, so I can't. I can't say I don't have any experience.

[Dan]

I read up on that one. That one is very blunt. Some people canceled, I think Blake Lively, and now we've got to talk about it. Ok. That's what the song is about.

[Jordan]

You know why they canceled Blake Lively, though?

[Dan]

Why?

[Jordan]

Too Much Gossip. Right. She was on Gossip Girl, wasn't she?

[Dan]

Oh, God. Is that what that was?

[Jordan]

I don't know. She was on that.

[Dan]

I was pulling from my old buddy Mike Wiley's joke from Too Much Gossip.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Do you remember the water cooler. The water cooler story? Yep.

[Jordan]

Well, I'll listen to the album, and I'm sure it's Great. And you just have a chip on your shoulder.

[Dan]

I'm just Grinch. And I'm a mean guy.

[Jordan]

And I look, I like haters and I'm not. I'm not against it, but I also like pop.

[Dan]

Some of it is fine, but some of it.

[Chase Geyser]

Oh, boy.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Well, I'm sure the swifties in our audience are thrilled to hear your take. And I'm sure you won't hear about it.

[Dan]

No, I doubt it.

[Jordan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. We're going to be talking a little bit about checking back in with Alex. Okay. Seeing what's going on now that he shaved the Hitler mustache off. And we're talking about October 3rd. A little bit of it. But I will say that this is going to be a shorty.

[Dan]

Oh, boy.

[Jordan]

Little, little brief episode.

[Dan]

Did we run away?

[Jordan]

I ran out of patience.

[Dan]

Ah, that'll happen.

[Jordan]

So we'll check in on how all this goes. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Dan]

Oh, that's a great idea.

[Jordan]

So first, shout out to Patricia, the previous owner of the phone number given to me when I got first cell phone in 2008. I'm not really sure why or how you lost your number. It's been a couple years since I last heard from someone looking for you. But know that wherever you are, you'll never be forgotten in my heart. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Thank you very much.

[Jordan]

I've had that experience a lot.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

With people who. Who, like I know because they used to have my number.

[Dan]

Really?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Interesting.

[Jordan]

It sucks. Next. Fuck the so called cornhosker. Click. Immigrants make Nebraska great. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Thank you very much.

[Jordan]

Thank you. And from the war hero to Hydra, you'll never be as magical as me. Click, click. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Thank you very much.

[Jordan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to your previous shout out was your dead name. So here's another. Walter. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Alex Jones]

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I Don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Jordan]

Thank you so much.

[Dan]

Yes. Thank you very much.

[Jordan]

So we start today's episode and there's, you know, there's big news in the world.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

A lot of shit's happening.

[Dan]

I mean, genuinely, a lot of shit is happening.

[Jordan]

And I think you get to a certain point when you're doing a show about Alex Jones. Sure. And fundamentally, everything that he's supposed to stand is being violated by the guy that he supports.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

I think there's a lunacy in pretending that anything means anything.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, I don't care what Alex's take is on sending troops to Chicago or to Portland.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't give a fuck. It doesn't matter.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

He's going to justify this, and it's fundamentally opposed to everything that he's supposed to believe in. And I think engaging with it is kind of. It's a weird exercise.

[Dan]

Yeah. It is strange. We've. We've moved past curiosity to the point where now, even, like the. The unknown future, I'm less curious about because it's already ruined the past, at least for him. Right. Yes.

[Jordan]

His existence as an entity is somewhat invalidated by his actions.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That he's taken in the fairly recent presentation.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I think that there are some ways that you could defend from a historical prism, like 15 years from now, I think you could probably defend some of the actions around 2016, 2017, even into 2020.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Alex would be able to spin that in some way as being like, that's not a stake through the heart of my vampire career or whatever, but this is. And there's just no way around it.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Jordan]

That kind of. I don't know, it makes him feel dumb.

[Dan]

I mean, he is dumb. He is dumb. It's like every. It's the. It's things catching up in the opposite direction. It's not like we caught up with him. It's. He's just fucking fell because he's fat and stupid.

[Jordan]

But it's not. When I say he's dumb, I mean he's dumb in his own prism. Sure. You know, like, he's not. He's always been dumb to the world.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

But by his own standards and his own rules, like, he just looks dumb and that. I don't know. The Hitler mustache really was like, that's about all you can do.

[Dan]

That was the nadir. That's where it happened.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. He puts a bad taste in my mouth.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But we're gonna start off with. There's some big developments around infowars. Interesting the world. A lot of other. A lot of other stuff going on in house.

[Alex Jones]

It is Friday, October 3, 2025. Just this morning I learned major news about the Democrats latest attempt to shut down Infowars and so much more. Stay with us. We're about to Infowars. Tomorrow's news today cover massively important news.

[Jordan]

Mistimed that slightly.

[Dan]

That's embarrassing.

[Jordan]

So the big news is that Alex has here is that the federal bankruptcy judge has clarified his position on whether or not plaintiffs could pursue Free Speech Systems ass in state court. Alex's personal bankruptcy is a matter in this federal court and Free Speech Systems is one of the things that he owns. But Free Speech Systems bankruptcy is separate from Alex's, which is something that he's tried to use to his advantage.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

The federal court has tried to give the company to a trustee which could then organize the auction of the company which would effectively resolve its bankruptcy.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

Alex would sell off the asset and the money he was entitled to from the sale would go into his personal bankruptcy estate, which was under the control of the federal court.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

However, with the auction falling apart and the trustee telling the court recently that they can't find a serious buyer, the odds are that this is going to end up being a situation where they abandon the claim on the property, which would mean the ownership would revert back to Alex, as is the case in bankruptcy.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Even so, with a buyer not being found, Free Speech Systems is still just a company that's in bankruptcy because Alex's personal estate is currently under a stay from collections and being pursued in state courts. Alex's lawyers have tried to argue that applies to Free Speech Systems as well, but this argument was just rejected.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

To us, we can see that infowars is a one talent business and that Alex is synonymous with Free Speech Systems, but that's not really how the law sees it. Free Speech Systems is a different entity with a different bankruptcy. So Alex's stuff being temporarily shielded doesn't protect the assets of a company that he owns. All this is bad news for Alex and another sign that he's running out of moves. But again, as I have to say, whenever we talk about this stuff, this doesn't really matter that much to Alex. He's already got a new fake business and new fake network to replace all the old stuff. So as long as he can migrate customers over there, shutting Free Speech Systems won't put him out of business. That's not to say that the Plaintiffs shouldn't do it or that they don't have the right to carry this out however they want. Just that anyone who's hoping that this is like a final shoe that's gonna drop is gonna be disappointed.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

There will be diminishment.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And, you know, like, no customer migration is 100%, so you're never. You're going to lose some people along the way.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

But it's not going. It's not gonna be like he's wearing a barrel with suspenders.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think, I think now we're moving into dark curiosity territory where it's like, okay, this should be studied in law schools 10 years from now. This should be a case study of, like, look at the holes in our system that we allowed this mouse to run through. You know, like, this is some stuff that can happen. Here's how you notice it, here's how you see it, here's how you spot it in advance. And here. Here's how we avoid letting it happen again. You know, that seems like where we are now because the. The victory would have. You can't win if you've already lost years of your life. You know, we're at that kind of level of winning the, the case, so we might as well watch it with dark fascination.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

I.

[Jordan]

And I mean, I do think that it is, you know, stuff that will be studied.

[Dan]

Yeah. It has to be.

[Jordan]

I think, I think you've. We've never seen such a flagrant shithead with bad intent abuse the system this way.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, there have been a lot of maybe like, less interesting and less look at me, look at me type businesses that have abused the system.

[Dan]

Right, right, right.

[Jordan]

Quite, quite extensively, but not to this. Not like this.

[Dan]

It's. Yeah, there's. There's a level of respect I think many people have for the amount of rat fuckery you can get away with as long as you're cool about it. You know, like the companies and corporations with all their lawyers who have all of this stuff. Like, if you boiled it away and took all this stuff away, maybe it's bullshit, the same as what Alex is saying. But look at how flowery and nice it is. Look at those people. They're dressed nice. They're not screaming like Alex Jones at you, you know?

[Jordan]

Yeah. There's a. There's a veneer of rationality to it.

[Dan]

Whereas Alex is just like, I'm giving money to me.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Everyone's trying to destroy me.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

So the good news is, as the globalists and the Dems are Trying to destroy Alex. He's as big as he's ever been.

[Alex Jones]

Of course, Infowars was the number one English speaking media organization period in 2016, 2017, 2018. Then under censorship, we got crushed down. But we're still very influential and massive. Not just on air, but behind the scenes. But since Elon brought us back two and a half years ago, just on excellent as a beachhead, then Rumble.

[Dan]

We.

[Alex Jones]

Have been one of the top two or three broadcasts. And I haven't really wanted to say this because I know our enemies already know it, but the listeners need to know the success we're having, which. Which shows what the public's looking for, how awake they are. We're number one. We're bigger than Rogan, bigger than Tucker, bigger than everything. We're number one again. And you just have to understand when you're in the pole position, it's a very dangerous position. But I just need to get a little intel announcement. We're number one.

[Jordan]

So this is a patently insane claim. And there's no chance that Alex is even close to Tucker or Rogan's numbers. InfoWars channel on Rumble gets like 10 to 15,000 views for the streams that he does of his episodes. And then there are a ton of repost channels that may have a few thousand views here and there. So let's say like 30,000, maybe the stupid Tucker interview he covered with Lee Strobel on our Last episode has 218,000 views. On Rumble, Tucker does interviews with Putin and the President of Iran, while Alex runs around giving himself a Hitler mustache to desperately try to pop a rating. Meanwhile, Rogan is about to face a severe popularity crisis. He's backed himself into a bit of a corner he's gonna have trouble getting out of just based on the last eight years of his career.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Jordan]

But for now, he's still the number one podcast on Spotify. And here are some recent episodes that he's done and how many views they have on YouTube.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Lionel Richie. 500,000.

[Dan]

Okay. All right.

[Jordan]

Hello.

[Dan]

I mean, I. It is. It is always fascinating whenever you recall that some of the most awful political things that have happened have happened on a guy who. On a guy's show who's like, interviewing Lionel Richie sometimes, but also interviewing fucking shitty comedians. Like, it's just weird. It's just weird.

[Jordan]

Yeah, his. His show has that weirdness of, like, I am interested in hearing Lionel Richie talk about, like, the Dancing on the ceiling video. But then also, yeah, we've got crazy Idiot liar Matt Walsh interviews.

[Dan]

Didn't he have Stefan Molyneux on?

[Jordan]

Well, until it wasn't viable.

[Dan]

Right, right, right. He had Stefan Molyneux until we've decided that he didn't have Stefan Molyneux.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Like with Milo and. You know. Yeah. He had all those people until he could.

[Dan]

Right. Until you can have a. Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Alex's old buddy Charlie Sheen was recently on Rogan. He's got a new documentary, 4.9 million fucking hell Views. People like that guy and Carrot Top.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

He was on.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Ominously got 666,000 views.

[Dan]

Mmm.

[Jordan]

It's a sign.

[Dan]

That is. If it wasn't Carrot Top, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. But it's carrot top and 666, so you never know.

[Jordan]

The amount of views is a prop that he's using to make a joke about God.

[Dan]

The devil would.

[Jordan]

You'd have to be insane to believe that Alex is number one of anything, but you kind of have to be that checked out of reality to believe any of the shit he's saying. So there's no downside for him to gaslight the audience like this.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's crazy.

[Dan]

It is. It is. We're. We're. I feel, borderline, like, last days of a narco dictatorship. Kind of the king is in the castle. Just being like, we're gonna be rich forever. There's no problems. There's no military outside.

[Jordan]

Mm.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Except he's also screaming, there is the military outside.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

They're ghosts.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

They work for Satan.

[Dan]

They are ghosts that work for Satan. And I'm the best, and I have the best. Yeah, well, it's.

[Jordan]

It's. It's. It is very strange. Like, I can't imagine. I was thinking about this, that there's, like, no casual viewers of infowars.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

If you watch that and you can nod along with him, then you're so deep. You have no idea how deep you are. You may think there's a casualness to it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But you are. You are gone in a way that I think there were casual viewers of him, you know, in the teens.

[Dan]

I think you. You yourself kind of had a sense of casualty to your viewing him.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Back in the, like, early 2000s.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. There was like, hey, let's pop this in and see what this guy's talking about.

[Dan]

This crazy nut job be funny right now.

[Jordan]

There's like, the. The Vance Bolter guy who shot the people in Minnesota.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, his roommate is saying, you know, he kind of liked Infowars a little bit. No, that's what you think.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

That's probably what he thinks.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

He was in deep.

[Dan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Jordan]

Only people who could possibly be left are in deep.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And so that's a smaller audience.

[Dan]

I'm, you know, I like to listen to, you know, I don't know, six hours a day of Infowars. But also I'm big into Jimmy Fallon. I like the Tonight show, you know, those two things, they go great together.

[Jordan]

I'm normal and I like things that are normal. But also I know who Harrison Smith is.

[Dan]

Of course. Absolutely.

[Jordan]

And think positively of him.

[Dan]

Oh, man.

[Jordan]

Cool.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So there's some issues with the world and one of them is Venezuela.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Trump is probably gonna go to war with them.

[Dan]

Why not?

[Jordan]

And that's cool.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

This is big boy pants stuff. Okay. And so I have all this massive news, Trump announcing basically the invasion of Venezuela, which I told you months and months ago, people said I was crazy. So he's blowing up these boats and then he's gonna start hitting airfields and bases. And then when the Venezuelans shoot back, the Marines are going in. I mean, it's, by the way, the Venezuelans know it. Can we pull up the 400 pound Venezuelan communist militia? So that place is going to fold like a house of cards in a high wind or in a tornado.

[Dan]

And.

[Alex Jones]

I've never been for offensive invasions. I'm not supported any wars, Vietnam or on. But they are killing millions of us with the fentanyl and they are the Democrat party's piggy bank. I mean, they're wedded at the hip. And I can tell you that Thomas Jefferson would invade Venezuela.

[Jordan]

So since we last spoke, Trump has continued to sink Venezuelan boats that he claims are cartel smuggling ships in clear violation of international law. Naturally, I'm not certain what Thomas Jefferson would say about going to war with Venezuela in 2025, but I'm sure of one thing. If he were alive now, he would insist that going to war is something that can only be done by an act of Congress. He was super against the executive branch controlling the power to go to war. And on that basis alone, I think he wouldn't be into what Trump is doing, nor would Alex. In his early career they were now.

[Dan]

Hey, listen, a lot of faults from those guys, I admit that, but they were pretty anti king on the whole. On account of trying to kill that king. Yep.

[Jordan]

So Alex, I think is describing also like a false flag to justify the beginning of a war. He's saying Trump is bombing these things and waiting for Venezuela to Attack back so he can send in the Marines.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

I don't understand how this is any different than any of his conspiracies that have, like, explained how wars start. He's just in favor of it.

[Dan]

Now I, I want, now I want like a, A, an escalating. What, what would I describe it? Like an escalating cooking machine, you know, for like, we just give him a what if scenario. Like, okay, what if this. What if this? And listen to him talk himself into it until eventually we get to like. Well, I mean, you know, what, what if we killed 50% of all the white people with a race specific bioweapon?

[Jordan]

Hmm. Would be bad.

[Dan]

Would it be bad? I'm gonna do it. So don't you want to convince yourself that it's a good idea?

[Jordan]

But if it kills 50% of the white people, that's a lot less white people.

[Dan]

That is a lot less white people.

[Jordan]

But I bet those white people would be a lot stronger.

[Dan]

There you go. Gotta do it.

[Jordan]

I find him to be a clown.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Even based on, you know, the standards that I try to approach him with are like, within his scheme.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Like, I don't look, I don't totally look at it as like, all of this is fucking stupid.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Because there would be no show then. Like, I can't at this point. We're 10 years in or whatever. I could do that at the beginning and, like, be a little more clinical and academic about my, like, what he's saying, but I can't now. You have to just assume that certain things from his beliefs are true and judge him based on that. And if you do that, he's a clown.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Anyway, war's good.

[Dan]

I don't think so. I'm still against it.

[Jordan]

No. Yeah, but what about what Thomas Jefferson did with the Barbary coasts?

[Dan]

I hadn't considered that.

[Jordan]

Well, maybe you should.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

Thomas Jefferson would invade Venezuela. So that's what he did. When the Middle east and the in the Barbary States were taking over our ships and enslaving our people and killing thousands of our sailors every year. We said, we're not paying a ransom to you. Here come the Marines. It took two years to beat them, but they beat them. That was the first Barbary War.

[Jordan]

So Alex mentions that Jefferson was involved in the first Barbary War, which should tell you that whatever path he took didn't solve the underlying problem that led to that war. He bombed some Mediterranean states, but the same trade routes became a liability years later in the War of 1812 and then the ensuing Second Barbary War.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

I don't think that this is relevant, quite frankly.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, I would never be proud of fighting the last war of all time, too. You know what I'm saying? That one. That one we probably fucked up. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. When you're fighting a sequel, it sucks.

[Dan]

It's never good. Sequels are just not as good. I mean, we're not talking about the Empire Strikes Back of Barbary coast wars.

[Jordan]

Ah, okay, hear me out.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If you're fighting a sequel, it kind of sucks. Sure. But who it really sucks for is the people who fought the first one.

[Dan]

Yeah. They shouldn't have.

[Jordan]

They didn't do it.

[Dan]

They kind of wasted their time, to be honest.

[Jordan]

They screwed up.

[Dan]

It was a. It was. Everybody should have started all the way back over. Yeah, that'll happen.

[Jordan]

So Thomas Jefferson screwed that up.

[Dan]

Yeah, I. That's right.

[Jordan]

So there's other, you know, like Alex has this bankruptcy news that's going on. Sure. But there's other internal news at Infowars that seems to have Alex's primary attention.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

This story about Infowars and what's happening right now is illustrative of everything else that's going on. And so here it is a day and a half ago, Bigly, our sponsor that owns the Alex Jones Network that's been built and set up in case they shut down Infowars. They also fund Infowars. And our sponsor here, they like a month ago said, hey, we're building an app for your show, an audio feed, a video feed. And they go there. It's the store and it's got discounts for, you know, anybody that uses the app. 20 off, right off the top and on top of everything else. And I'm like, okay, great. Well, they launched the app Wednesday in the afternoon.

[Dan]

How'd it go?

[Alex Jones]

Shoots to number nine by like seven o' clock at night. Chase Geyser calls me, I go, oh, that's great. We'll step down tomorrow about it. Then it hits number six yesterday while he's on the show. It went to number two in the world this morning. And that's where it is, only behind X, the number two Apple. We haven't even launched Droid yet. The number two Apple app for news, period is now alexjoneshav.com and, you know, it's good we have a URL to send you right to the sub page because Chase was being kind yesterday, said, oh, there's a propagation problem. But we checked, had coders checked. We Checked new apps, other people launched, instantly available, just like a X search system. Same thing on Apple. They are blocking anybody that puts in the exact name of the app. AJN Live. Alex shows network live and it makes you scroll through dozens of pages.

[Jordan]

I don't know if that's true, but like if you go like I went to the app store and it auto generated, I typed in AJ and it put in do you mean AGN app?

[Dan]

Great. So everybody's working great.

[Jordan]

So I think this is a lie about shadow banning or whatever the fuck.

[Dan]

Of course the shadow ban.

[Jordan]

So charts are algorithmically designed to over reflect increased interest in a thing, which is why literally every comedian you've ever met can say they had an album that was number one on iTunes.

[Dan]

I said it a lot.

[Jordan]

If you have any size audience and you funnel them towards one thing, you can usually manipulate some statistics around it that'll give you a little feather you can wear in your cap. All that being said, I went to the app store to check out the AJN app and I was shocked to learn that the owner of the app is Chase Geyser. When I checked, it was number six in the news section, just behind next door and above three different police scanner apps. The news section isn't really what Alex should be in. In an ideal world, infowars would fit in the newspapers and magazines section and ironically, if he'd listed his app in that section, he would be number one. They would have like he was above all those people, of course, which is a better fit than news, right? The initial burst of users onto an app is going to artificially inflate its popularity and over time it'll creep down the and a big part of the reason is that this app sucks. It's mostly a customer conversion tool built not to provide news or anything of use to the user, but instead meant to give them a convenient way to buy from bigly and a way to spam people with targeted ads and deals. If you look at the about page for this app, it becomes clear that this isn't even about Alex's show or content. It's a sales platform. All of the listed key features of the app involve sales and how if you have a membership on the app, you get added to sweepstakes. Like Alex giving away cars.

[Dan]

Ooh.

[Jordan]

Desperately trying to push something like this and overhyping its popularity is exactly what you'd expect Alex to be doing right now. The only thing that could really screw him over is if his customers don't migrate to the new platforms. He can legally profit from. So the biggest push has to be getting everyone on this app right now. And the ways that you go about it are pretending that the man wants to stop you from doing it.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

And pretending that it's the most popular thing in the world.

[Dan]

Yep. Yep.

[Jordan]

Basically, this is stupid and Alex is full of shit. But tactically, it's exactly what he should be doing right now. So I don't know. I'm not too surprised, I imagine.

[Dan]

I'm wondering when we're going to get an Alex coin or something like that. An infowars coin or something.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, I don't know about bitcoins or like cryptocurrencies, but he's literally sold coins.

[Dan]

No, for sure. But I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying a crypto, like a real way too late to the game crypto coin. Like, he's gonna. Like he's doing NFTs. Do you know what I mean? Like, he's gonna start with NFTS any moment now.

[Jordan]

Well, I think there's two things I would say about that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

One, I think he realizes that he's missed the boat in terms of, like, being able to make massive amounts of money. Like Max Kaiser was at the right time, man. Alex is not wild to think of that guy. So I think the second thing he realizes is there's a lot of people who take that shit very seriously. And if you rug pull people and you're someone like Alex, it could ruin your career.

[Dan]

You're. You're catchable. Yeah. Yeah. There are a lot of people who are uncatchable.

[Jordan]

They can wrote down Hawk to our girl.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Over this. Like, you think Alex is going to escape it? No.

[Dan]

Can't do.

[Jordan]

Everyone loved Hawk to a girl.

[Dan]

Did she? And she did the coin, didn't she? Man, people are crazy.

[Jordan]

Hawk coin was the. The thing that ruined her.

[Dan]

Why wouldn't you just sell a meme coin? It makes perfect sense.

[Jordan]

If you're crazy, if you just want to like smash and grab.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And you're in that position, then it's a good thing to do. But Alex would have to know that he would get busted. Like pulling the rug.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And that a lot of people would not forgive him for that.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. That's a fake your death and get the money thing you 100. Yeah.

[Jordan]

If you wanted. I think that I would almost take it as a sign of like, oh, he's getting ready.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, he's gonna die. Yeah. He's faking his death.

[Jordan]

He's an info coin.

[Dan]

He's trying to get a million dollars immediately, and then we'll never see him again. I. This man's going to fake his own death.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that. I think that he knows that there's actual consequences there, reputationally.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

To audiences that he needs to stay on the good side of. And so I think he. I think he would be against it.

[Dan]

Here's what I'm thinking.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Here's how Alex does it. Here's how he finally. Here's how his. His legacy is cemented and intact, despite his latter day disgusting behavior. Go out like DB Cooper, jump out of the plane, never be seen again. That's what you got to do. Then you become legend.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think it's too late. I think that. I think he's already done too much damage. Like, there's too much.

[Dan]

He's done DB Cooper damage.

[Jordan]

There's too. There's too much content that ruins his. His mythology. If he just disappears. If he disappeared after like January 6th or something like that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Then, yeah, he'll live on as. As a mysterious figure. But now it's just kind of like. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. In a way. Really. The only thing we. Here's what we're great for. Right? He can't burn these tapes.

[Jordan]

Not really.

[Dan]

You know, we're. We're. It's whether he likes it or not, whether he can scrub his own bullshit from the Internet or not. We're fucking here.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So. Great. Good luck, db.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So Soros, he's got antifa judges.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And this is a big problem because it means that if you're like someone who's not white, you just do crimes.

[Dan]

Oh, no.

[Alex Jones]

And you talk about God and the way God works. They had the hearing Wednesday at the federal court. The judge Lopez, who's shot down 10 times in a row. All the criminal stuff they've done. I mean, literal fake auctions. Trying to raid us with the DOJ with no court order to shut us down. I mean, remember all that last year? It was so crazy. We kept surviving. A lot of people said this can't be real because it doesn't sound real. Believe me, it is. And then now he said it's clear for the state court. The guerrigamble, literal antifa. Soros lady with blue hair and antifa uniforms. Look it up. I mean, this is literally. This town's like worst Soros run place in the country. He's like, oh, New York's worst for Portland. No, they've done studies. Must have spent something like 50 million bucks trying to remove the Soros judges and DA because they're elected here. It's been big fights here. I mean, it's like commie land, folks. If you're black or Hispanic, you can shoot and kill somebody and you're out the next day. No bond under Jose Garza. So, I mean. I mean, when I say, like, I mean literal antifa judge. Literal blue hair, antifa uniform, black outfits, blue hair. She doesn't have blue hair now. But. But that. Imagine having a Soros antifa judge.

[Jordan]

Imagine it. So she's got blue hair, but she doesn't have blue hair right now.

[Dan]

Well, not right now.

[Jordan]

Now she's got antifa uniforms. Sure. By that I mean, she wears black. She's also a judge who always. They always wear black.

[Dan]

They have a very. They have a very set costume.

[Jordan]

Hmm. Seems like antifa to me.

[Dan]

Here's what I like about complaining, is that sometimes you complain about something and you don't realize what you're actually saying. So, for instance, saying like, Elon Musk has tried to spend millions of dollars getting these people out of here. What you're actually saying is that I want Elon Musk to buy the government for me. Right. That's not good.

[Jordan]

No, but he's about free speech.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

And yeah, he's. Yeah.

[Dan]

I want Elon Musk to buy judges. That way they'll be fair.

[Jordan]

Right. Unlike the Soros judges, who are elected by people. I want Musk judges.

[Dan]

Right. Who he bought specifically. Right. Yes.

[Jordan]

Because he loves free speech.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

This all makes sense.

[Dan]

I mean, it tracks.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So Alex is like, fuck, shit's looking bad.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

The bankruptcy judge, Lopez. I've already said that I like him because he stalled a ton.

[Dan]

Way too much.

[Jordan]

So I can't demonize him now.

[Dan]

Too late.

[Jordan]

So this sucks.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Thank God that app came out that Chase owns and is going real well now. I also have to thank God for the foresight to make this other URL that will redirect people to it because they're trying to shadow ban, of course. And that's like, you know, that's the product of years in the info war. Or maybe race memory.

[Dan]

Could be.

[Alex Jones]

You know, thinking back when they told me a few months ago, hey, we're building this app, I remember saying, create a URL that takes you right to it. And I even tell them why such knowledge. In fact, when I even give these orders, I don't even think why I'm giving, and I just go, create a URL that Goes directly to us. They can get it. Because I just already have the knowledge. I just, I'm already, I don't even think, why do I think that? I can sit down and go, why do I think that? Oh, they censored that. But see, that's when you get wisdom of decades of frontline 18 hour a day combat with these people. You just, as a commander in an operation, you just know the right move. Instantly people go, how does he know that this is famous in history and war and everything? How does he make the decision so fast? It's the because. Because you've already been under it over and over and over and over and over. You've been attacked so much that it's instinctive when you resist. It's like military and police are trained to just shoot and shoot and train and train and train and train. And then instinctively somebody pulls a gun pointed at you, you don't even think, boom, they're dead, dead. And then the police survive. The problem with that is a kid's out with a BB gun, looks like a real gun, pulls it out. Cops don't know, boom. But that's what instinctive action is about. When Trump said in one of his books, are we just moving on the deal? The deepest thing I ever learned was to be shallow. People said, how would a dumb comment, no, that's not true. All your instincts, all your life, all your experience, all your genetics, the spirit, everything is who you are. And then that first approximation, that first gut level thing is really always right. Now you may misinterpret what the gut's telling you. Well, that's really your brains up here. When it really thinks, oh, don't do that, or oh, do that. You know, I know when something's right and I'm on the target. I get chills when I'm really saying something. That's, that's absolute zeitgeist. I mean, I don't know, you think about, I start saying it, I go, ooh, chills when something's bad, all of a sudden my stomach goes. And it's just like in Lord of the Rings, the archetype of the sword sting when the goblins are near or the orcs, it glows blue. It's the spidey sense, ladies and gentlemen. It's everything that made us survive was passed on to us. How does a butterfly know how to fly from central Canada all the way to Mexico and lay its eggs? Everything about that. What's the programming? What's the computer chip? What's the, what's the. It's genetic memory.

[Jordan]

So it's interesting how in that clip, Alex is arguing for both nature and nurture in a very confusing way. The example of him knowing to create a URL for the app and the example of the cop shooting someone, those are trained behaviors, right? They're the product of years of experience leading to you being able to make split second decisions. And with the cop example, Alex has clearly illustrated that listening to this instinct blindly can sometimes lead you to killing a kid. I guess for him, that's just the cost of living and doing business.

[Dan]

I mean, that he didn't even address it really. He's just like, hey, you know, sometimes the other hand of this is you murder children Anyways.

[Jordan]

Then he launches into a rant about how all this is what's in the gut. And the deepest thing you can do is to be shallow. You have to give in to that voice that's in the gut because it's always right. So now this is a race memory thing and we don't really need to have all that experience that Alex or these cops have. There seems to be no reason for Alex to have bragged about how much time he spent on the front lines, because he should have that anyway.

[Dan]

Also, does that mean that the gut wanted to kill that kid?

[Jordan]

Well, see, this is an interesting point that you bring up, and I think that's what a lot of people would point to in protest that sometimes listening to your gut makes you shoot a kid with a toy gun, which maybe means that it's a bad idea to let that guide your actions.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But you see, the person just wasn't correctly interpreting what the gut was telling him. Wait, if he understood the difference between the chills and the jolts that Alex is describing, then there's no way you would have shot that kid.

[Dan]

So we need to train.

[Jordan]

I guess you do.

[Dan]

But the training is what led us to accidentally killing.

[Jordan]

This is the riddle. Fucking stupid. So this is all just the same kind of shit that conservative pundits that Alex was supposed to be the alternative to said in the early 2000s. Yeah, they knew that in your brain it was pretty impossible to justify the war in Iraq. So it had to become about the gut. This is why Stephen Colbert's Colbert Report joke about how you can't trust books, cuz they're full of facts. And we all know that truth comes from the gut is an enduring piece of satire. The movement that we're seeing now in power is the result of trying to create a version of conservatism that wasn't that. Alex pretended everything was documented and in the white papers. Ben Shapiro popularized the whole facts, don't care about your feelings thing. And people like Steven Crowder and Charlie Kirk popularized making curated content out of pretending to debate college kids. Alex has always been the one out of all of them who clearly knows that his shit is nonsense. So he's relied on appealing to the gut for a little while now. But we're at a point where the conservative movement, that they really have no choice but to play to feelings. What's going on with the government and Trump's administration is so wildly corrupt and transparently dangerous that trying to go off anything other than vibes is a dead end. And they know it.

[Dan]

Yeah. Doesn't it. Listen, I know what you've read, but doesn't it feel like America's better? Doesn't it feel like it's better? I know what you've. No, no, no, no. I know what you've read. I don't even. Tell me about that stuff.

[Alex Jones]

There's crime everywhere.

[Dan]

No, no, no, no. Don't you feel better, though? Like, when I wake up, I'm like, it just feels good to not have an old white man in the. I mean, a different old white man in office.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And, like, you know, the military, feds on the streets and stuff. Like, doesn't it feel safer?

[Dan]

I mean, you know, when I read the National Guard is here, I feel great because they've got something to do here, which is not intimidate people for no reason.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

Vibes.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's in the gut. You know, this stuff.

[Dan]

Feel it.

[Jordan]

It's pathetic. And this is a stupid argument that Alex is making that is internally inconsistent.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And is used to override people's, like, critical thinking skills, because if they apply those critical thinking skills, they cannot support the stuff that Alex is endorsing.

[Dan]

Yeah, Yeah. I think a rational person would say that, you know, there's a right balance between listening to your gut and not listening to your gut.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

These are things.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Instincts are valuable in a way, as a source of information, and so is analysis. Fuck you.

[Dan]

It's great.

[Jordan]

So, anyway, a lot of this episode at the beginning is just about this app. It's so much about how great the app is doing. And thankfully, Alex was like, well, we got to get to some other big news.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

I want to get into Trump getting ready to go into Venezuela. I want to get into the economy. I want to get into Trump declaring the Democrats the party of Satan, which they are sure. That is a fundamentally very, very good thing to do. I want to get into all this other insane news. The economy, the shutdown. There is so much today and huge guests coming up, including Trump's main lawyer, to expose the DOJ sabotage and who's up to it, blocking Trump's agenda and going after the deep state. That is all coming up. But I wanted to bring the great Chase Geyser, who actually headed up and built the app.

[Jordan]

Okay, so we're going to talk to Chase about the app.

[Dan]

We're going to talk to Chase a little bit about the app. A little bit more about the app.

[Jordan]

So Trump's going to invade Venezuela.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

He's declared his political opposition of the devil.

[Dan]

The devil.

[Jordan]

And you're going to interview his lawyer about how oppressed he is.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

School.

[Dan]

But, but I mean, that stuff seems.

[Jordan]

Important to you compared to the actual.

[Dan]

Not compared to the app. We got to talk to Chase about this.

[Jordan]

We got to get those customers moved over to this app or otherwise the money's going to dry up.

[Dan]

Right. And think about it. We need that money more than ever because that man is going to start a war with Venezuela. Lord knows what's going to happen next.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Get these people to big league.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Shit's going to go crazy for the economy. And I got a bitcoin.

[Dan]

Maybe I am going to need a million dollars in a fake.

[Jordan]

My own death kit, probably soon. Chase probably could hook that up for him.

[Dan]

Probably.

[Jordan]

So Chase talks about some of the specifics about this app and I think he makes sense.

[Chase Geyser]

It's been absolutely incredible the last 40 hours. We've got tens of thousands of users right now. We're hoping to get into the hundreds of thousands number. And like we were talking about yesterday, Alex, this is the messaging that we're sending out to everybody today from our email lists and from our text lists. This is the most accurate poll of how the American people can show the New World Order, the globalist, the leftist, whatever you want to call this evil, satanic globalist, child trafficking cabal, what the people are actually resonating with. And the fact that we just soared within 24 hours with just an email and an SMS campaign to number two in the App Store is remarkable. Past the BBC, past Fox News, we're in the top 200 of all apps right now, Alex. Not just in the news category, passing apps like Uber, which is one of the most famous apps ever with one of the largest IPOs of all time. I mean, famous apps that everybody uses or many people Millions of people use every single day and it's because people are flooding in.

[Jordan]

So this feels about right. Like there are under 100,000 people who can be activated really quickly to download a free app and that's about it. Yeah, I think that's probably. And that. Honestly, they shouldn't talk in specifics.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Because these numbers are bad.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If you are under 100,000 downloads for this app in 48 hours, that's not what Infowars presents itself to be. That's fantastic. If you're us.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's crazy good. If you're us would be better than we would probably be able to do.

[Dan]

Wouldn't dream of it.

[Jordan]

But we're not Infowars. We don't pretend to be the top English speaking show in the world. I have bigger than Rogan.

[Dan]

I have screamed I'm number 10 times.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Unless it was a bit. Maybe.

[Dan]

I don't think even is a bit.

[Jordan]

I bet privately you have.

[Dan]

I don't know. I've never been number one at anything before. Do you know what's crazy? I'm number 50. I've actually. Actually, you know what? I was being.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit.

[Dan]

I'm number eight on the audio trip dance score for. I think I like it. So. Pretty good. That's still not number one, though.

[Jordan]

I got into, I think the top 10 in one of the karaoke songs in Yakuza Infinite. Well, yeah, I worked on that really hard.

[Dan]

That's really.

[Jordan]

I was trying to get to number one, but I never made it to number one.

[Dan]

Number one's tough.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So this is really sad that it's so clear that the audience doesn't see through what this is, which is a sales pitch. The app Alex is launching isn't built to give them news or provide a service. It's solely to just sell shit from Bigly. The existence of an app like that is fine and there's tons of those in the world. But this framing is so manipulative and dishonest. The globalists apparently aren't scared of Alex running his show freely and being able to create fake side businesses to shield himself from a bankruptcy. But they're so scared. You're gonna download the Bigly sales app.

[Dan]

Oh, no.

[Jordan]

Chase truly is Alex's successor because he puts business first and lies about what he's doing in a way that a lot of these other people are unable to do.

[Dan]

It's. It's kind of. It was. What would I say it was? Alexian. The way he's like, it's Bigger than Uber.

[Chase Geyser]

It's.

[Dan]

We got. It's higher than Uber right now. Like, you would have to be insane not to put together the. The way that that ranking works. It does not mean that you now have more people using bigly than Uber.

[Jordan]

No, not even how it works. Not. Not even. Not.

[Dan]

There aren't. There aren't enough decimal places.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

To compare the two.

[Jordan]

And you can't possibly imagine that you have anywhere near the staying power of an Uber because they provide a service.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

You provide a market page that sells a specific thing and people will use it as they use it.

[Dan]

And you know what he's doing? He's selling the shit out of it.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep. And I think that there's another thing that's Alex and Alexinian Alexian.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

About this and that is that he got off his ass and did something. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Like, can you imagine Harrison Smith being like, all right, infowars is in trouble. I'm gonna go make an app to. I'm gonna.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Chase was instrumental in getting Bigly involved. And like, he's. He's the fucking guy for Alex because he's making business work.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think he's actually Infowars now. Yes.

[Alex Jones]

I think he might be.

[Dan]

He is the heart and so of infowars.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He can't take over for Alex in terms of the skills of bullshitting and stuff like that. He's nowhere near, like, being able to be on camera like Alex, but like, he's got his soul.

[Dan]

Yep. Yep. He's got. He's. Man. Let's. I wonder where. I wonder where Chase is going to be in 20 years.

[Jordan]

This would be probably in jail.

[Dan]

I mean, or just a regular. I have no idea. I have no idea. Chase seems like he is available to go down any path. Path.

[Jordan]

Ones that lead to jail, probably. So Chase. I think that there's one thing though, you know, as much as I believe he took him to be Alex's successor. Yeah, There is. There's just some stuff that he. He's not polished on.

[Dan]

He doesn't have the. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And I think Alex wants him to lie in this next clip and he just won't go along with it.

[Alex Jones]

Very, very exciting. Great job, Chase. But I. I want to get that out, you know, show where it is overall in the rankings. I haven't checked in a while. Isn't X number one in the world, period Now?

[Chase Geyser]

I don't know. I don't know that information on the top of my head. I know it's number one in news. I'M not sure if it's the number one overall app. It looks like it is.

[Alex Jones]

Well, look here.

[Dan]

Say it is.

[Alex Jones]

Free app section.

[Dan]

Just say it is.

[Alex Jones]

We're actually on the front page of the top free app thing right now. That. That's pretty exciting.

[Chase Geyser]

That looks like the news category to me.

[Alex Jones]

Me.

[Chase Geyser]

Even though it says top free at. I bet the news category selected in the top, right?

[Alex Jones]

No, it's not the news category. But I want to just get the crew, you know, they're great, we're awesome.

[Dan]

Let's just.

[Alex Jones]

We always report everybody else. Let's kind of get everybody focusing on this and get everybody looking at this because they also have their hot new category things. But I'm going to move on from this now. I'm going to move on from this now.

[Jordan]

He doesn't. So it's kind of fun that Chase doesn't seem to understand that whatever Alex said was going to be the truth. He could try to correct him because it's embarrassing to just blindly go along with this. But it doesn't matter. Twitter is the top apt in the world and Alex is on the top of the free app charts. Man. Fuck you. It's just. It's not the news category.

[Dan]

Yeah. Why? Why? Why are you pushing back?

[Jordan]

Yeah. Do you. I know your eyes see the news category thing, but that's not real.

[Dan]

That's not the point of what we're doing now.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was the news category. Chase was right.

[Dan]

Of course it was.

[Jordan]

And Twitter is not the top app in the world world. It's number 13 behind things like WhatsApp, TikTok and the top app ChatGPT, ironically on the top apps chart. Twitter is behind Uber, the app that chases pretending that InfoWars beat, which mathematically doesn't make sense.

[Dan]

Weird.

[Jordan]

If they're below Twitter and Uber is above Twitter.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Then they're below Uber, but apparently they're above Uber. Maybe they're above Uber in the news category.

[Dan]

Interesting.

[Jordan]

I don't know.

[Dan]

This is convoluted.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But I would like an app where Chase will give me rides.

[Alex Jones]

Places.

[Dan]

I think I. Man, if Chase just said like reassuring things into the bigly app while people were shopping, I bet that would be fine. I bet that would be a pretty successful thing to just have Chase be like, you know what? I think it is a good idea for you to buy this.

[Jordan]

That would. That would be nice. I also would enjoy it if there was just like Chase's big thoughts. Like there's just a section of it where he can Hit play. And he has something from his, like, morning pages or whatever, you know, like some idea he had that AI cooked backwards.

[Dan]

Is I A IA is Iowa. That means we've got to go to Iowa.

[Jordan]

Trump's got to invade Iowa.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

It's the only answer.

[Dan]

It's the way it works.

[Jordan]

So, speaking of invasions, Alex and Chase get around to talking about Trump going into Venezuela.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And his take on that is fucking dumb.

[Chase Geyser]

And I've seen the libertarian arguments that say things like, hey, this is crazy that we're bombing these ships without a fair trial, and it's crazy that we're going to escalate these conflicts in South America, but there's a very key difference. The key difference being that all these other conflicts that we've been in, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, none of them have had anything directly to do with United States national security. They've had to do with protecting US Interests in terms of the global reserve currency status or stopping the spread of communism, which is some vagary that was used to justify Vietnam. But with the cartel, with the South America thing, people need to realize that more people have illegally invaded the United States of America from Central and South America with drugs and weapons and gangs and violence and rape and murder and thievery, then invaded Ukraine from Russia in the course of the last three years. So we have actually been the victims of probably the largest invasion that has ever taken place. Even going back to the sacking of Rome, we, the United States of America, have been invaded. So if we're ever going to use our military or our defense apparatus, it seems to me justified to use it against those very institutions that are actively sponsoring, participating in and promoting an invasion of our country. A literal invasion.

[Alex Jones]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Figuratively.

[Alex Jones]

Emerson was, Mr. Don't be involved in entangling stuff. And then he was the first to send our troops overseas because they were robbing our ships, they were killing our people, literally white slaving and grabbing women and children and putting them into Islamic slavery. And they like $20 billion a year, just massive amounts of gold, to stop doing it. Everybody else was paying them. And Thomas Jefferson said, screw that. Said the Marines took two years and we kicked their ass and had to invade a bunch of, you know, Barbary coast bases and had to kill them. And so, I mean, that's what the military is for, is when you're actually attacked.

[Chase Geyser]

And look, we all know somebody had to go to rehab because of some fentanyl problems. Somebody we love gets in a car accident for a short period of time, they're they're, they're prescribed painkillers. And then six months later they've lost their job and their marriage has fallen apart. Maybe they're bankrupt because of this fentanyl. I mean, we are literally being invaded and murdered to the tune of over 100,000 people via the form of overdoses. And a lot of people like to blame China for it. China's at fault. But they do it through Central America and through South America. And so we're going to get to Venezuela.

[Alex Jones]

People think, oh, that's just some South American country. It's got the most oil per capita place in the world. It's communist. The Democrats have a deal with it.

[Jordan]

It's funny or fun, I guess, that they're just calling all opiates fentanyl now. But I guess I don't know if this argument stands up to any kind of scrutiny. For example, would Alex and Chase support using the military to take out the Sacklers? Like they are the largest contributor to the opiate epidemic that we've been dealing with for, you know, the last however long.

[Dan]

Where are they from?

[Jordan]

Iowa.

[Dan]

Well, then I guess they're good.

[Jordan]

Or like his mortal enemy, Alex's mortal enemy, New York Attorney General Letitia James, was part of a bipartisan effort that resulted in the Sacklers having to pay almost $7.5 billion in restitution for their role in the opioid crisis. So is that what the globalists wanted to have happen? Cuz Letitia James was involved with it or not? Because they want to have everyone on opiates. It's all very confusing.

[Dan]

Well, okay, now imagine, however, instead of all of these moving parts and governments and interested parties and conflicting points of view and say that one person is good and the other person is bad and Venezuela is bad.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

So let's blow them up.

[Jordan]

Sure. These people are just racist and want war. That's it.

[Dan]

I mean, I. I don't understand why. Like, like, I understand. I understand why. You know, but at a certain point, whenever you're yourself being like, well, they're not white and they're stealing from us, cuz drugs. I mean, don't you hear yourself?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't know. I think that it's in the gut.

[Dan]

Like if I found myself saying like dare shit to a kid, right. You know, that would be crazy to me. That is, that is like a similar thing to what's going on here.

[Jordan]

And yet, you know, on some level that the kid not using drugs is preferable to them using drugs. It's safer sometimes. Most of the time.

[Dan]

Most of the time.

[Jordan]

I think if you're going to go statistically, it's probably safer.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

So is it wrong to steer them to the safer path by using dishonest means? What if you believe that racial purity is preferable statistically to not racial purity? Is it ethical to lie about what you're doing in order to lure people towards supporting ethnic purity?

[Dan]

You know, I have been pretty famous in, during my career for saying that. No, but now that you put it like that way, I guess I have to agree with you.

[Jordan]

I think this is part of what Alex and Jace feel in the gut.

[Dan]

Yeah, could be. Could be the version of shooting a little kid that they're talking about.

[Jordan]

Hey, man, it just happens.

[Dan]

It just. It's part of the game, right? Yeah.

[Jordan]

Anyway, we got one last clip, and it's about a big old sale. Oh, this app is launching with a great sale.

[Dan]

Of course it is.

[Jordan]

It is the Last Stand super sale, baby.

[Chase Geyser]

Well, one of the reasons I love working with you, Alex, is because you're an absolute maniac and you just have to adopt a little bit of faith that it'll all play out. And so when you reached out a couple of days ago, like I mentioned yesterday, and said you wanted to do Buy One, Get One Store wide on all supplements, it was one of those moments where I was like, this is insane.

[Dan]

But.

[Chase Geyser]

But because Alex Jones is saying we need to do it, I know that it's going to work because he's been doing this for 30 years. And so we launched buy one, get one free for all supplements across the entire site, except for the ones that are almost out of stock, which is like two or three. I think Colostrum just sold out. Alex. This has been an absolutely insane deal, but we're calling it the Last Stand Super Sale. But we have this subtext of Remember the infowar. Because what we're going through right now is so similar to what happened with the Alamo, where the Alamo was a loss technically from a military standpoint, but because of that devastating loss, in the context of their incredible bravery and brotherhood in that conflict, it was shouted, remember, Remember the Alamo.

[Jordan]

The story of the Alamo would have been so less historically impactful if Colonel Travis and his buddies just kept screaming about how they were under attack. And, you know, Santa Ana just never came. Like, years go by and they keep selling everyone fake pills in order to save the Alamo, and it just keeps going. And in the meantime, Colonel Travis and all of his buddies have created a second fake Alamo for them to retreat to in case Santa Ana ever comes. So they can hang out there and pretend that they're about to be attacked and use that to sell more fake pills. The story only works because those dudes died. Their death allows them to be used as symbols. And everyone could forget what drunk losers they were. In real life, you can't be turned into a martyr unless you're willing to do your part in the story. And that means that you have to die or go away.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And Alex refuses to do that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And honestly, this is part of the frustration that I feel on his behalf is that now it's too late.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He can't die. Bill Cooper.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Jordan]

He will never have that end to his legacy that I think is ultimately what. What he needs. He lusts after being Colonel Travis.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Except he will not let the Alamo go down.

[Dan]

Right. Well, I mean, I. Rod. Well, okay, so here is the difference, Right? Travis, huge coward, handled for him by Santa Ana.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You don't have to. He's not going to make the decision to go sacrifice himself. That guy was a piece of shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He was running away from the consequences of his own life that led him there. And then Santa Ana killed him.

[Dan]

There was. If he could have run away from.

[Jordan]

That, he would have.

[Dan]

He would have totally. And he would have been fine being. Being like, oh, no, we were so brave. I've missed those guys. They were great. Anyways, I got to get out of here.

[Jordan]

And I got a sale. I got a sale going on.

[Dan]

He probably would. Yeah.

[Jordan]

But that story sucks.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And that's the story that Alex is living right now.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

The Alamo, like, is never going to go down.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because it's already. You've already played this game for years, and it's. It's a boy who cried Colonel Travis in a way. And he's never going to live that down.

[Dan]

That. That first. That first judgment could have been metaphorically the day. You know, it could have been a thing where it happened. And then the law, the metaphorical Santa Ana would have come down on him instantaneously if he would have wiped him.

[Jordan]

Out, submitted to, like, the judgment of the. Like, the summary judgment where he has tried to do everything he can to avoid this going to court. And they're just like, no, fuck it. You lose by default. If he would have just been like, okay, now you take all my things, and I have taken on the punishment of the state that seeks to oppress me. He could have maneuvered that and his legacy grow. But now it's I mean, he's just a dipshit trying to get attention and sell people pills and does a fucking Hitler mustache and hangs out with idiots. And Chase Geyser probably owns his business. Like, it's just sad.

[Dan]

It's sad.

[Jordan]

And the reason that I. I guess parts of the reasons that I. I'm disappointed by this are that one. I like a good story.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And I would love for him to have had his sort of ability to legend build.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And he. As someone who's, you know, done a show about him forever, it would make me feel better.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If that was the story I could tell.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Of, like, look at the. He went out riding over a sunset.

[Dan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Jordan]

On a horse or something. This is just sad. And it bums me out personally.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And then. Yeah. Just. It's just. It's a. It's a dud.

[Dan]

You know, when you. When you read the. When you read a lot of history books now that aren't interested in myth making or in just like, you know, if you read a history book from pre1940, you've got a lot of people with a lot of agendas all at the same time about who is good and who is bad and who's a hero and what happened, that kind of stuff. Now everybody's kind of got a little bit of tell the. Let's see how true the real story is and that you can find out by finding out how stupid everybody was involved. And it's almost always the same story of, like, the myth was some guy who was propped up by a lot of very competent people who didn't take credit in the same way that that guy did. You know, like, Alex is that guy. He is propped up by so many people, but he's the one who's loudest, so he's the one who gets the.

[Jordan]

Myth around him, you know, but he's also like. Like the. To the extent that anyone, at least in the last, like, decade has propped him up, he's not doing what they need him to do.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Which is go away.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, he's trying to continue to make money in his own. In his own avenues, trying to get everyone's attention by publicity stunts. And like, they need him to be Colonel Travis. They need him to have gone down so they can, like, wave infowars flag for themselves.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's greedy and won't go away. So he can't be turned into the martyr. Like he. Especially after Charlie Kirk got killed, he should recognize, like, that's what they want to do with me.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

I'm. I'm resisting being the symbol. Like, if he died, Trump would probably go to his funeral.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Like. Like he's never going to go to an event of his in life. No, but he'll still use him after he's dead.

[Dan]

Charlie Kirk died and was immediately replaced by the vision of Charlie Kirk. They needed. Alex can. Alex can erase a lot by just dying.

[Jordan]

But this is what I'm saying.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's too late now.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

I think it's too late. I think he missed his window when anyone would have cared to try to use that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And now like, like, what do you. Who cares? You predicted nine, 11, whatever. Tucker got attacked by a demon like you. You're not special.

[Dan]

If the government was going to kill you, they would have killed you by now.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

You know, like if. If it was going to be the. The heroic tale of good and evil that we were. We were promised it, that the, the climax would have happened by now.

[Jordan]

And to be clear, it's death or destruction of, like, info. He could have just disappeared into the water.

[Dan]

Yeah. It doesn't matter if he's actually. Doesn't require his breathing or anything like that.

[Jordan]

That the metaphorical Alamo could have gone down and like, it just didn't.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's no difference in this story between him dying and him just like moving to a small town in Iowa.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. And the window of like, even if he had like some kind of stroke or like some kind of a suspicious natural causes type death for that to be interesting to anybody. I also think that window is kind of closed.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't know. I. There's a part of me that really feels. And it's obviously not like post Hitler mustache.

[Dan]

Sure, sure.

[Jordan]

That's quite a visual thing to happen. You know, I think that the rest of his career is there's nothing he can do. Like, what can he do to be interesting other than maybe like actually become a terrorist?

[Dan]

That could be interesting.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Here's what you do. You fake your. No, I mean, I guess you have to actually die. But whatever you do, the way you die is novichok. Right. You get the Putin poison and then everybody's gonna have to ask questions for the rest of their lives.

[Jordan]

Well, Roger tried to fake that. And that did polonium though, right?

[Dan]

Not Nova, Chuck.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

That's the stuff that gets you.

[Jordan]

But then who, like, what is it? The government did it? Did Trump do it?

[Dan]

I don't know. Okay, exactly.

[Jordan]

I guess if you died some, like, really, really, really crazy, mysterious way, then. Then maybe we're interested again. But this, it's just he's. He's got to feel bad.

[Dan]

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think having your own specific signature, poison, death.

[Jordan]

Mm.

[Dan]

Kind of opens you up for. For a framing. For a frame job, I would say.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know the perfect crime you already.

[Dan]

There's only one guy who kills people like this. It's got to be him.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So anyway, I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not sitting here saying, like, fuck, we're not gonna talk about Alex or anything like that, but, you know, on some level, I do feel like it's not right now. Sure, it's not like the roller coaster just peaked or anything, but I think it's pretty undeniable that we're in falling action.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like he's.

[Dan]

We are barreling towards the denouement, if you will. But it's gonna be such a bad, boring denouement. It's gonna be a dud.

[Jordan]

It's gonna be that not enough people downloaded the app. Like, it's gonna be something like that. Instead of him like on the rooftop screaming, liberty.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's gonna be. We need to lower our overhead again.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chase fires Alex. That's what's gonna end up happening.

[Dan]

God, that'd be what, a performance review that would be.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's what. That's the vibe I think we're heading towards. But anyway, we'll be back and we'll check in, see how this dumb dick is doing. But until then, we have a website.

[Dan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Jordan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am mysterious Professor.

[Dan]

And now, here comes the Sex Robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Dan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.