#1083: Tucker, The Man And His Civil War

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1083: Tucker, The Man And His Civil War (October 10, 2025) Summary

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Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan dissect the latest right-wing authoritarian messaging, focusing on a recent Trump administration press conference loaded with pro-Trump media operatives and their coordinated attempts to justify federal crackdowns on perceived left-wing threats, particularly Antifa. The hosts then pivot to a chilling Tucker Carlson monologue warning of civil war, and explore how the right-wing media, including figures like Jack Posobiec and Nick Sortor, are manufacturing narratives to prepare the audience for extreme government overreach.

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Episode Structure

• [00:00–06:57] Opening banter, intros, and "bright spots"
• [07:05–46:46] Breakdown: The Trump admin's Antifa roundtable — characters, propaganda, and implications
• [46:55–116:09] Tucker Carlson's "civil war" warning — racism, authoritarianism, and message discipline
• [116:10–123:14] Closing commentary — connections, concerns, and dark humor

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Trump Antifa Roundtable: A Propaganda Stunt

• [07:05–46:46]
• Trump’s admin held a press conference with a "cadre of right-wing media dipshits" supposedly to address threats from Antifa.
• The hosts frame this as political theater ("one of the most naked and transparent displays of authoritarian posturing I've ever seen" – Dan, 07:39).
• Participants: Notable figures include Jack Posobiec, Savannah Hernandez, and Nick Sortor of Infowars, but interestingly, Alex Jones himself is not publicly acknowledged—a sign of his decreasing relevance.

Message Strategy and Media Dynamics

• Trump and his media surrogates repeatedly stress the "danger" of Antifa and alleged left-wing violence, often with dubious or fabricated examples (see Nick Sortor’s inaccurate flag-burning anecdote, [11:00–13:50]).
• The room’s attendees are carefully chosen: "people with either no power at all or...they understand the importance of being a functionary" (Dan, 08:48).

Authoritarian Overtones

• Trump proposes (and the table echoes) “incitement” as grounds to strip away constitutionally protected free speech, particularly flag burning ([15:50–17:20]).
  • "He’s very clearly saying that in order to ban something the Constitution considers a protected right, he decided he can just ban whatever he wants that might incite a riot based on his definition" (Dan, 17:11).
• Kristi Noem, now head of Homeland Security, openly accuses state and city leaders of "helping Antifa cover up terrorism" and discusses prosecuting "the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa" ([24:04–25:15])—making the hosts incredulous about the absurdity of finding Antifa’s “founder.”

Media Realignment: Alex Jones Sidelined

• Multiple Infowars-affiliated people are at the table, but keep ties to Alex off-brand: "They wouldn’t be sitting there if they openly touted their association with Alex" (Dan, 33:56).
• "Alex is a hindrance to their brand as opposed to the thing...In the past, Alex commanded respect in this space...But now...they understand that they wouldn't be sitting there if they openly touted their association with Alex." (Dan, 33:59)

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2. Propaganda’s C-Team: Amateurs Elevate Far-Right Talking Points

• [34:47–46:54]
• Young minor-league right-wingers like Nick Sortor and Nick Shirley display clumsy, "minor league" media tactics compared to professionals like Posobiec.
• Example: Sortor brings up a "Biden regime" border failure that occurred during Trump’s time in office, revealing poor "message discipline" ([36:11–36:50]).
• “He looks bad. He’s not ready for the show. This dude is minor league at best.” (Jordan, 36:51)

Notable Bootlicking

• Brandi Cruz (YouTuber) shares how she "recovered from Trump Derangement Syndrome" in what Dan describes as "very embarrassing and makes them all sound like children" ([38:52–39:48]).

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3. Jack Posobiec: Far-Right Messaging with Nazi Overtones

• [42:21–46:54]
• Posobiec demonstrates professional-level rhetorical discipline, connecting modern Antifa to the Weimar Republic and thus to the historical justification for Nazism.
• Dan warns: "He traces the lineage of antifa to the Weimar Republic...they think Nazism was an appropriate response to the decadence and degeneracy of pre-Nazi Germany..." ([44:49–45:00])

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4. Tucker Carlson’s Civil War Spectacle: White Nationalism in Plain Sight

• [64:49–117:13]
• Carlson’s segment is a white nationalist meditation on demographic change, "spiritual revival," and the supposed decline of America because of decreasing white Christian dominance.

Diversity as “Danger”

• "Diversity is actually intolerable to most people. Not necessarily racial diversity, though. Sometimes that too. But diversity of all kinds, it is not our strength..." (Tucker, 65:34)
• Dan: "You legit can’t make your white nationalism more clear than this" ([67:46])

Civil War as a Racial Reckoning

• Tucker advances the idea that civil war is inevitable in a “fractured” nation, and that "white Christians" held things together ([67:46–68:12]).
• "Civil wars become race wars. That is the truth. It's true globally..." (Tucker, 111:08)
• Dan: "White people need to fight a defensive race war before it starts. This ... is the most Nazi thing I've ever heard from a very famous person ever." ([112:22–112:32])

Court Decisions, Federal Troops, and Dictatorial Precedent

• Tucker (disingenuously) equates Trump's threatened use of federal troops against US cities (for immigration “violations”) to Eisenhower sending the 101st Airborne to enforce desegregation in 1957 ([94:26–96:28]).
• Dan notes: "There’s a big difference though...What Supreme Court order is Trump sending troops into Chicago and Portland to enforce?" ([97:13–97:26])

Message Coordination

• Throughout, Dan and Jordan note that despite surface differences, coordinated talking points run between the Trump admin’s roundtable and Tucker’s civil war screed, constructed to justify coming crackdowns ("there’s message discipline between these two things" – Dan, 86:19).

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5. Weaponizing Chaos & Demonization of Cities

• [82:18–113:02]
• Both Trump’s team and Tucker paint major cities (esp. Chicago & Portland) as lawless, feces- and drug- filled zones overrun by "zombies" and “mob violence” — a textbook step in justifying federal occupation.
• “Our cities are dying. The kind of death that can't be permanent...Out of chaos comes what? Democracy? No — imposed order. Dictatorship. Each and every time, that’s what happens.” (Tucker, 82:18–82:59)

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6. Underlying Theme: None of This Is New, But the Stakes Are Raised

• [114:38–118:06]
• Dan draws parallels between these new threats and old right-wing projects: "It is textbook...propaganda tactics to justify horrible things you’re planning to do." ([118:19–118:52])
• Emphasizes that the real danger is not just the rhetoric, but the coordinated infrastructure and message discipline in pursuit of genuine totalitarian actions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Authoritarian Spectacle:
  • "It was one of the most naked and transparent displays of authoritarian posturing I've ever seen in my life, and it's degrading to the country..." (Dan, 07:39)
• On "Incitement" and Free Speech:
  • "He’s very clearly saying that in order to ban something the Constitution considers a protected right, he decided he can just ban whatever he wants..." (Dan, 17:11)
• On Sidelining Alex Jones:
  • "In the past, Alex commanded respect in this space...now he has multiple people he's employed...sitting at this table, and...they wouldn’t be sitting there if they openly touted their association with Alex.” (Dan, 33:59)
• On the Dangers of the Rhetoric:
  • "It’s fundamentally incompatible with running a government." (Dan, 61:28, on Trump’s ignorance of habeas corpus and constitutional basics)
• Tucker Carlson’s White Nationalism Laid Bare:
  • “...when I was born, the United States was about 90% white Christian. It’s now less than 90% white Christian...That was the result of policies put in place to achieve that result...there are people who didn’t want a majority white Christian country.” (Tucker, 66:53–67:46)
  • “Civil wars become race wars. That is the truth. ... It's true globally ... and that could happen here.” (Tucker, 111:08)
• Jordan on Propaganda’s Lameness:
  • “You just want a better class of criminal. Really. You just do. At a certain point you’re like, this is beneath me, you know?” (Jordan, 104:01)
• On the Manufactured Emergency:
  • "[These narratives are] textbook propaganda tactics to justify horrible things you’re planning to do." (Dan, 118:19)
• Closing Reflection:
  • “[Tucker and other right-wing media are] situating themselves in such a way that they can survive or justify Trump doing horrible things.” (Dan, 122:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump roundtable/press conference breakdown: 07:05–46:46
• Discussion on minor-league propagandists/Nick Sortor/Brandi Cruz: 34:47–46:54
• Jack Posobiec propagandist pro: 42:21–46:54
• Tucker Carlson’s civil war monologue (white nationalism & race war): 64:49–113:02
• Federal troops, the Eisenhower precedent, and the conservative turn on states' rights: 94:26–100:08
• Drug users, demonization, eugenics: 113:33–116:09
• Reflection on the coordinated messaging and closing: 116:10–123:14

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Conclusion

Dan and Jordan’s deep dive unpacks the explicit authoritarian threat posed by Trump’s administration and his media sycophants, with Tucker Carlson’s rhetoric revealing the outright white-nationalist and anti-constitutional core of the messaging. The episode is both a warning and an analysis of the machinery preparing the audience for draconian government action—and the chilling ease with which media and government actors alike discard civil liberties in favor of centralized, oppressive rule.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Heard the Episode:

This is a must-listen if you’re concerned about the intersection of propaganda, authoritarian rhetoric, and the potential for violent government overreach in the United States. The hosts’ irreverence and gallows humor make this heavy subject more digestible—while underscoring the urgent seriousness of the warnings.

Transcript

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Nick Sortor]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Kristi Noem]

Red alert.

[Nick Sortor]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Nick Sortor]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray.

[Nick Sortor]

I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Nick Sortor]

I'm sick of them posing as if.

[Dan]

They'Re the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.

[Nick Sortor]

Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Need. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[Nick Sortor]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot today is I have continued to watch MacGyver.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And we are now through episode three.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Add one to the kiss count.

[Jordan]

All right. Okay.

[Dan]

We're now at four.

[Jordan]

Four total over three episodes. That's still a fairly good average.

[Dan]

Yeah, no, that's good work if you can get it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So the episode opens with MacGyver having to go get back a stolen horse.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

From a guy. The guy stole the horse.

[Jordan]

Real horse or small horse?

[Dan]

Big, big white horse.

[Jordan]

Okay, okay. Rideable horse.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Dan]

So he sneaks in, sneaks into this guy's camp.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Rides the horse away, helicopter. Shows up naturally with a hook dangling. Oh, hooks the horse on wrong. He and the horse get lifted away.

[Jordan]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

Amazing. I don't know how they did it.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Dan]

Must have been so expensive.

[Jordan]

They did that in the dark night with a plane, I think.

[Dan]

Ye, but this is 85 with a horse.

[Jordan]

Yeah, this is solid. This is solid stuff.

[Dan]

So then the most of the episode is about he has to get a watch from a spy in Budapest and then this Romani girl steals the watch and the two of them have a great adventure.

[Jordan]

What's his job again?

[Tucker Carlson]

What is it?

[Nick Sortor]

What.

[Jordan]

What about him specifically prepares him for the job of stealing said horse and then riding it in helicopter.

[Dan]

We're three episodes in.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He's not that old.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So like he can't have that much experience.

[Jordan]

He seems very well traveled across all levels of competence.

[Dan]

The only thing that I can get Is like, he's the cleverest guy in the world.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Because in the first episode, he has, like, a little satchel bag.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And someone's like, hey, what are you taking with you? What kind of tools? And he's like, no, this is for what I find along the way.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

So he's like a good improviser, and I think that's it.

[Jordan]

What if. What if your superpower was like, I'll figure it out in the end. You know, like, no matter what your. Your conflict is, my superpower is I'll just figure it out in the end and I'll be fine.

[Dan]

My. My. My superpower is resolution.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It just. It always goes my way. I. Not in a huge way. Like, I just win. I just got the horse and I rode away. I didn't, like, take over your country.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I'm not going to kiss someone every episode, but it's going to be average. Out more than one.

[Jordan]

Whatever. I need to.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What I like about this is that I could absolutely look up what his job is.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And I refuse to.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely. Why would you? What job description could possibly compile his entire job?

[Dan]

You know, voluntary spy. Just, like, he can choose whatever he wants to do here and there.

[Jordan]

Like a volunteer firefighter, Right? Yeah. Yeah. He's like a public service, but going.

[Dan]

Over to Budapest to get this watch.

[Tucker Carlson]

Come on.

[Dan]

So, anyway, what's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is that it's my wife's 40th birthday today.

[Dan]

Happy birthday.

[Jordan]

Could not be. I don't know. I just love her so much. I'm documented as a. As a wife guy, for sure. Heavily documented.

[Dan]

You chilled out a little bit as of late, but, yeah, definitely wife guy energy.

[Jordan]

She makes it all happen. She's. She's incredible. And she listens to this, so of course she's going to be disappointed in whether or not I have done a good job of telling her how much I love her.

[Dan]

But do you have a song you'd like to sing?

[Jordan]

Not particularly, no.

[Dan]

You don't have a song on your heart?

[Jordan]

No, not really.

[Dan]

That's really going to disappoint her.

[Jordan]

I was thinking about Rainbow Connection, but I don't even know if we've ever sung that song together.

[Dan]

So you and I or you and her? No, because I'm not harmonizing.

[Jordan]

No, no, I don't think that one's going to work.

[Dan]

Well, you know, look, I have more of a history with karaoke than you, so I shouldn't have put you on the spot.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's all good.

[Dan]

Do you guys have. I know you took a trip. Other than that, you got anything?

[Jordan]

Oh, I've done special. I've done a bunch of nice things. It's her birthday week. Done a bunch of nice things. I'm excited for this one. She's going to come home to a clean. We're married. So my gift is I've cleaned the place really well.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

So. But also, you know, we did trips and all that. You know, we did the real gift stuff. So it's kind of just on the day. It's about, surprise, surprise, surprise, Clean. It's clean.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You didn't see that shit coming, did you?

[Dan]

It's clean and there's a bean bag fat.

[Jordan]

Suddenly my gift is very aggressive. Hey, listen up, asshole. I cleaned the place.

[Dan]

Happy birthday. Yeah.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah. Ye.

[Jordan]

You wish it was your bir.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, that's awesome. I'm happy for you both. And happy birthday to her.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

So today we got an episode to go over. Yeah. And we're gonna be a little bit windy, a little bit around. We're gonna eventually get to some Tucker Carlson.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But we have to take a detour in order to get there. All right. And we'll go down that path in just a moment. But first, let's take a second to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Nicia Wisewood, the first and best goblin Chirugian of the world of G has ever seen. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Next. Hello, my name is Eli, and I just became a veterinarian. Been a patron for a while. Love the work. Proud to support y', all, Especially Celine. Damn good cat, in my now professional opinion. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And from Smiley Bill in Seattle to Chicago, Chris. Thank you for telling me about these guys. See you in the arcade. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much. To Snacker Bob. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. 4 stars.

[Jordan]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Dan]

Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

[Jordan]

He's a loser.

[Dan]

Little, little Kitty baby, I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yes, thank you very much.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, I don't know how much of this you're aware of, but on October 8th, the Trump administration held a absurd press conference where Trump and many of his cabinet members and the head of his FBI sat around the table with a cadre of right wing media dipshits and they talked about how evil and scary Antifa is. Sure, most of the people there have some association with Turning Point usa, which makes sense because the Trump administration has made it clear that they intend to capitalize on Charlie Kirk's murder and use him as a symbol that allows them to crack down on the left and all political enemies.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Delightful. This meeting was an interesting mix of Trump Dear Leader worship and political theater meant to preemptively justify the horrible shit that the government is planning to do. It was one of the most naked and transparent displays of authoritarian posturing I've ever seen in my life, and it's degrading to the country that it happened and that our President was involved in it. Probably the most famous person in the crew was noted Pizzagate crier Jack Posobic. And if I were Alex, I would be furious that I wasn't invited. And not only that, he didn't even get a shout out. Ooh. And that was particularly glaring because former Infowars employee Savannah Hernandez was on the panel, as was the host of Infowars Sunday Briefing, Nick Sortor. Nick Sortor was arrested the other day because he got into a fight with some protesters in Portland. Sure, he was out there pretending to be a journalist and things got a little bit out of hand. The DA ended up dropping the charges. But he's been fairly successful in obscuring the fact that he works for infowars in service of presenting himself as a cool, unbiased media guy that the Trump administration can use.

[Jordan]

Cannot believe you can do that, but, well, apparently you can.

[Dan]

It's remarkable.

[Jordan]

It is. It is an achievement.

[Dan]

So Nick Sortor has told the story that he got assaulted while he was trying to save a flag that was being burned.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God, won't somebody think of the flags?

[Dan]

And this kind of definitionally makes him not a journalist. Either he was there as an activist or he has so little restraint that he can be baited into an altercation by a flag being burned, which makes him a shitty and uncommitted journalist. And he doesn't. He shouldn't be out there. He doesn't have the Discipline. There's some really strong indications here of, like, who's in and who's out with Trump's media regime. And Alex should be recognizing that he's not wanted. He's way too much of a liability. And that room was filled with people who have either no power at all or they understand the importance of being a functionary. Posobiek is a perfect example of what Trump wants because he has a clean cut appearance. He knows how to say flagrantly racist things in plausibly deniable ways, and he has no real ambitions past doing what he's already doing. He exists to create bullshit content that the administration can use to justify their illegal actions. He doesn't think that God chose him as a kid to fight the devil. Like, he know this is. There's no career advancement that he needs.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You can keep him here forever.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

I watched this roundtable and I got the feeling that we should probably talk about it a little bit. Sure. And so I apologize in advance for doing this to you, but you're gonna hear a little bit of Trump and some dicks talking about antifa.

[Jordan]

It's not even real.

[Nick Sortor]

They.

[Jordan]

It's made up.

[Dan]

I would say that a good third of this is probably them profusely thanking Trump for acknowledging that it's real.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's.

[Jordan]

Where are the meetings? Where are the meetings?

[Dan]

Look, they don't have an llc.

[Jordan]

Okay, fine. Sure, fine. No, no, no. They're real. And the only people who can find them inexplicably are not the people who would join them. In fact, the only people who can find this organization are the people who hate them. What a strange organization.

[Dan]

Yeah. The make weird videos on YouTube about them. Scary thumbnails.

[Jordan]

So weird.

[Dan]

Yeah. But also they do violence, tons of violence. And so Trump talks a little bit about that.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Nick Sortor]

Two weeks ago, radical left terrorists in Dallas conducted a sniper attack on a local ICE facility, killing two people and leaving behind a note that read, hopefully this will give ICE agents some real terror. That's bad. This attack came the very same month that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a far left extremist who inscribed the words hay fascist catch, meaning catch the bullet onto the bullet shelf itself. The epidemic of left wing violence and antifa inspired terror has been escalating for nearly a decade.

[Dan]

The Dallas sniper very well may have had some anti ICE motives to his shooting, but there's no indication that he had any accomplices. The guy who shot Charlie Kirk allegedly wrote what he did on his bullet casing as a joke. And it was a reference to Helldivers 2. So neither of these guys seem like they have anything to do with organized left wing politics in any form. One of them killed themselves and the other was arrested. So while it's unfortunate that they were able to carry out their crimes, I'm not sure what else law enforcement could have done in these cases like that, particularly the right wing would want them to do.

[Jordan]

I mean, at what point, what even are we talking about now when we, when they are talking about left wing? It's not like the people who are for ubi, that's not what we're dealing with. It's just whatever they choose is left wing on the day.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, it's those who do not agree with Trump.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah. There wasn't any funding or infrastructure in these shootings that could have been broken up with advance like notice or anything. They were just sad dudes with guns.

[Kristi Noem]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Other than like crazy levels of spying.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That I would assume that these civil liberties concerned people wouldn't want the government doing. Sure. I don't know what else they were supposed to do other than maybe restrict access to guns, which they also don't want to do.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's just gonna be the FBI doing what they did to Muslims immediately after 9, 11, where they're just going to convince people who otherwise would never do this to do it and then arrest them before they can.

[Dan]

Yeah, that might happen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah, Weird. So these protests, they were well funded. All these protests that are going on that Trump doesn't like.

[Nick Sortor]

They've used armed gangs to assault local police in cities nationwide and they have attacked journalists reporting on their crimes. So the journalists that report on their crimes, don't worry, you're very safe. I hope that's not going to turn you around. But they have been very threatening to people. But we're going to be very threatening to them. Far more threatening to them than they ever were with us. And that includes the people that fund them. Probably some of the people I know, some of the people I dine with, but if they do, they're in deep trouble. So we're going to be looking very strongly.

[Jordan]

What?

[Nick Sortor]

At the people. Wait, what are funding these operations?

[Jordan]

How is that allowed to just be said?

[Nick Sortor]

A beautiful, beautiful paper. Beautiful, nice, stiff, very expensive paper with beautiful wood handles. All the same, all the same color. They come from very expensive printing machines. These are not people that write out their signs in a basement that believe in something. These are paid anarchists.

[Dan]

Look at their nice wooden handles. All the same, you know, I think print shop.

[Jordan]

I think people misunderstand why I think they think that I don't like hearing Trump talk. The problem is I don't like hearing Trump being allowed to talk by adults.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

That's pathetic.

[Dan]

Yeah. And. And you can see it in some of the faces if you watch the video. Like when Marco Rubio shows up. He is. Doesn't look very happy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Even Stephen Miller is looking down for a fair amount of. You should be.

[Jordan]

You should be.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

All of you are just pathetic.

[Dan]

And when anyone else is talking, Trump is desperately trying to stay away.

[Jordan]

Of course. I mean, God, Very bored by what.

[Dan]

A lot of these people are saying.

[Jordan]

At the very least, I'll be murdered before I ever have to behave like that.

[Dan]

You know, signs are so nice.

[Nick Sortor]

Right.

[Jordan]

At the very least, when I die, I'll just be like, well, at least I didn't sit in a room and allow that man to talk to me.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think, I mean, I know that I've been to protests before where, you know, someone might bring a stack of signs. Sure. And then people can just grab one.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Does that mean everybody who's got one of those signs in their hand is a paid protester? I guess, maybe.

[Jordan]

I mean, let's get. Whatever, whatever. Somebody hit this man with a sign.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Nick Sortor is there. All right. He's in the room because he got arrested. And Trump is. He's got some buzz. Trump's trying to feed off that buzz.

[Jordan]

That's wild. What sort tour is meeting with the President? With the people. The president?

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, fuck me.

[Dan]

And he leads Trump to say something that I think is really bad.

[Nick Sortor]

Only days ago, Nick Sauter was assaulted in Portland by a flag burning mob. And we've made it one year penalty for inciting riots. We took the freedom of speech away because that's been through the courts and freedom of speech. But what has happened is when they burn a flag, it agitates and irritates crowds. They've never seen anything like it on both sides. And, and you end up with riots. So we're going on that basis. We're looking at it from. Not from the freedom of speech, which I always felt strongly about but never passed the courts. This is what they do is they incite. When you burn an American flag, you incite tremendous violence. We have many examples of it.

[Dan]

Oh, so many, so many. Just so no one's unclear about this, that clip is not Trump fumbling around or misspeaking. He's expressing a clear belief that he holds and is consistent with his actions and his personality. The courts have consistently ruled that burning a flag is constitutionally protected free speech, But Trump wants to punish people for it. He also has a fan base of people whose brands rely on pretending that they care about free speech. So he can't just say, I'm limiting your speech. Right. He's very clearly saying that in order to ban something that the Constitution considers a protected right, he decided he can just ban whatever he wants that might incite a riot based on his definition. Yep. But people get really worked up when you burn a flag, so we can't allow that.

[Jordan]

What if people get worked up on both sides? So I'm actually being very kind to both sides.

[Dan]

Like you've never seen before, these people getting worked up. Wow. If any of these people in that room had half a principle, they would recognize that their entire business model is built on incitement. And if any government claims the power to ban things that they think could incite people, they better pray they never lose an election again. Events like the Unite the Right rally that have been predicated entirely on incitement, but they were allowed to do those things because of the First Amendment. Trump is now saying that free speech isn't free, and all these dipshit free speech absolutists are nodding along with him and thanking him for it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Dan]

Bunch of fucking clowns.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, but at least. At least you can rest assured that while the rules have been suspended and are meaningless now, when they do no longer have power, and it is the Democrats and the like who have returned to power, they will reinstate the rules, and those rules will keep them from holding any of those people accountable.

[Dan]

Very conciliatory.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they'll be really nice about it. They'd be. It'd be terrible to violate the freedom of speech rules to, you know, violate.

[Dan]

Their freedom of speech. Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So what you gonna do? Yeah. Past is the past.

[Dan]

So Pam Bondi noted Epstein cover upper.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Which were just. Which. They're all.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Antifa zone problem conversation sort tour. Yeah.

[Dan]

Posobic.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Andy. No. All these people are just like, hey, it's cool. We're sitting at this table with the head of the FBI and the head of the doj, who we are, we believe to be covering up the Epstein files.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A conspiracy of billionaire pedophiles who have run in the. Who are running the government we now work for.

[Dan]

Hey, you know, a PR stunt's a PR stunt. You gotta take it wherever no I.

[Jordan]

Get it, I get it. They got buzz.

[Dan]

So she has some surprises about antifa that she's found. Sure. And that leads Trump into a pretty important conversation.

[Nick Sortor]

I think under the Trump administration, we're going after antifa criminals, and all who fund and support their campaigns are in serious trouble. And we have a lot of records already. A lot of surprises, a lot of bad surprises. It's people that you would never think. I want to thank Attorney General Pam Bondi, who, by the way, yesterday was incredible in Congress. It was amazing. And she just did it from the heart and the brain, because she's very smart, in all fairness, but she did it from the heart, and she did an incredible. Everybody was talking about it. She exposed some of these fake senators, these terrible senators, people like Blumenthal that had a phony war record for 20 years. He talked about what a hero he was, and it turned out he never went to Vietnam. For 20 years, he talked about being a hero in Vietnam. Then it was exposed when he said what platoon he was with, and it was exposed that somebody was watching from that particular platoon. They said, he was never with us. And then he went out and he cried, and he was ready to drop out of the election and disgraceful. And then he looks at people like Pam and he starts criticizing her, and she's a patriot.

[Dan]

Wrap it up.

[Nick Sortor]

They ought to do something with that. You know, we have a young congressman that's right now in jail for lying about where he went to college and other things. It was, you know, frankly, not good. It was pretty bad. But it was nothing compared to Blumenthal. I mean, what Blumenthal did, He was, for 20 years a hero, a war hero. And then he sits back and, you know, sanctimonious kind of a guy looks down. How dare you do this to the American public? You know, what a fake.

[Dan]

So on a number of occasions, Senator Blumenthal referred to his service as being, quote, in Vietnam when he should have said that he served, quote, during Vietnam. Sure, because he was in the Reserves and he didn't go overseas.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

It's a distinction that military folk probably take very seriously. And it's entirely possible that he was trying to fudge his record when he made those misstatements. It could be an honest misspeaking or it could be some kind of thing, but he's owned up to it. And Trump's making more of a meal of this than he needs to. On the flip side, that Congress member that Trump was referring to who's in jail is George Santos. And he didn't just lie about where he went to college. He's only the third person who's been expelled from Congress since the Civil War. He pled guilty to charges of wire fraud and aggravated identity theft.

[Jordan]

And most of them have committed both of those crimes. Yes, most of Congress has committed both of those crimes. They're just not that dumb.

[Dan]

Not aggravated identity.

[Jordan]

That's fair. That's fair. Just regular identity theft.

[Dan]

He also lied about graduating from college, so that is true. But he's in jail right now because of the crimes he confessed to committing as part of his campaign for Congress.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So, yeah. I don't know. Trump seems to be minimizing that one a little bit.

[Jordan]

I mean, boy.

[Dan]

But you got to give him credit for being, like, succinct.

[Jordan]

I just don't get it. I genuinely do not get it, because I could not be in that room without, like, shooting myself in the face. Like, it is ridiculous. The moment he went on. Dude, what are you talking. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? You're the President of the United goddamn States.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You're the President of the United. Goddamn. I'm not at a fucking karaoke bar with the oldest, saddest piece of shit in the world telling me a story about how great he is and how.

[Dan]

Bad this other guy is.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Exactly. And yet somehow I am seated in the Situation Room where fucking Osama bin Laden was assassinated in fucking. Oh, God, I hate these people.

[Dan]

I hate them. It's pretty. Yeah. That. That people just.

[Jordan]

They just sit there.

[Dan]

I think that the reason has to be fear.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or opportunity. Like, they just know this guy's a fucking idiot. And, like, as long as I make a deal that he thinks looks good, I can get whatever I want out of him.

[Jordan]

Yep. And I. I just have to debase myself to where I am less than human.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's pretty embarrassing. I mean, like, just the saying that we got rid of the free speech earlier. I think think his cabinet should have stormed out at the.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. That is the president saying out loud he is denying the Constitution. You should have invoked a fucking event amendment to immediately get rid of him. He should be in jail for being the thing.

[Kristi Noem]

He is.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's supposed to be in charge of the government, and he is clearly opposed to it.

[Jordan]

He's against the thing. He is.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's tough.

[Jordan]

That is tough.

[Dan]

So he put Kristi Noem in charge of the Homeland Security.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And so she's there. Okay. And she was off in Portland Recently, Sure.

[Kristi Noem]

I was in Portland yesterday and had the chance to visit with the governor of Oregon and also the mayor. They're in town and they are absolutely covering up the terrorism that is hitting their streets. While you talked about some of the stories of our ICE agents, our Border Patrol agents, how they have been attacked, how they have been shot at, injured, the damage that they've done, these leaders in these local cities, along with Pritzker and Johnson, ignore what's going on or, sir, they're helping Antifa cover it up. We have dozens of individuals that are Antifa members or affiliated with them. And I want to thank our Attorney General for prosecuting them and making sure they never see the light of day again. They have been so bold in making sure we're bringing those individuals to justice. One of the individuals we arrested recently in Portland was the girlfriend of one of the founders of Antifa. And that we are hoping that as we go after her, interview her and prosecute her, we will get more and more information about the network and how we can root them out and eliminate them from the existence of American society.

[Dan]

So the head of the Department of Homeland Security is on camera sitting next to the President, accusing the governor of Oregon and the mayor of Portland of covering up or being complicit in terrorist subversion. We are at a point where this rhetoric is designed to just be shit talk and it means nothing. Or people like Kristi Noem are saying very clearly that they intend to enact regime change on US Cities and states.

[Jordan]

There's no other.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's what they're saying.

[Jordan]

They said that exactly. About the Taliban. Yes, that is what the Taliban is. Yeah.

[Dan]

Great job on arresting the girlfriend of the founder of Antifa, though. I mean, she's got to be like 120 by now.

[Jordan]

What are you talking about?

[Dan]

We extradited her from Italy.

[Jordan]

We got the founder of the idea of not being fascist.

[Dan]

The first person who didn't like Mussolini.

[Nick Sortor]

We got him.

[Jordan]

The one person who was like, hey, hey, wait a second.

[Dan]

God damn, we got him. Kristi Noem is gracious and she thanks the journalists that are there. Yeah. For covering this stuff.

[Jordan]

What are they in the back room?

[Dan]

What?

[Jordan]

The journalists. Are they somewhere else? Are they watching from a hidden camera?

[Dan]

Here's a remarkable dynamic that definitely does come up way more than once. They're sitting at a U shaped table, Right. And so like, you know, Trump is at the king seat, Right. Like his cabinet. And then on the wings you have right wing shithead journalists.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Right. So you Got Posobek over on one side and some other ding dongs.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And then you got like, I don't know.

[Jordan]

So we're doing like a Game of Thrones table with attendees.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Okay.

[Dan]

So you have the right wing media folks here on the wings and then there's implied you don't see them, but there's the real media watching them.

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Nick Shirley]

Okay.

[Dan]

And so on a number of occasions, there are direct insults at the media who's talking about how they're not as good as Posobic.

[Jordan]

Right, right. Okay. All right. Okay, here we go.

[Dan]

It feels out of control.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yet.

[Jordan]

What year are we in yet? Are we still. Are we in, like year four of his presidency? Year 12? This can't be year one. It can't still be year one.

[Dan]

Nope. So, you know, they've done a great service talking about antifa, who are just as bad as isis, obviously.

[Kristi Noem]

I want to thank the new journalists here today for telling their stories and for being able and willing to go to the streets and to cover what's happening here in America. Many times the legacy media has looked the other way, refused to tell the stories. The networks have not really focused on what this is and what damage it is doing to our country and how this network of antifa is just as sophisticated as Ms. 13, as TDA, as ISIS, as Hezbollah, as Hamas, as all of them. They are just as dangerous. They have an agenda to destroy us, just like the other terrorists we've dealt with for many, many years. And today is the day that we have a president that won't tolerate it and will stand up and fight for the American, American people. So thank you for being here, for being so bold and for standing in the gap at such a time as this. It will matter. It will make a difference. And your life will be one of significance because of what you've done today. So with that, God bless you and thank you, Mr. President.

[Nick Sortor]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Dan]

As the head of Homeland Security.

[Jordan]

You know, here's okay.

[Nick Sortor]

All right.

[Jordan]

I bet. I bet Colin Powell, right? Unless, hey, they totally got weapons of mass destruction. He was lying, right? He did it. He did the lying. And then later on in life he was like, man, lying's probably wrong. And so he did that. But at the very least, he was actually going for somebody that you could consider an enemy, theoretically means a dom within the. Within the understanding that they had of global politics at the time. Right. It wasn't like Dave, who runs the fucking Sbarros down the street.

[Dan]

Well, Sbarro sucks To be fair, I mean.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. I'm not saying anything about Sbarros. I'm just saying that Colin Powell wasn't like, we got to get Dave. That guy's a real piece of shit.

[Dan]

We got a drone strike him. It's a bad slice.

[Jordan]

We need an axis of the willing to go after Dave, that fucking asshole.

[Dan]

We got some allies in El Salvador who are going to come up and invade the Sbarro.

[Jordan]

What.

[Dan]

What business.

[Jordan]

What, okay, there is. Organizes Ms. 13 or like, Hamas or whatever. What businesses are the antifa fronts to finance their. Their weapons gathering operations? Their. Their clear. How are they getting support from. From just militarily.

[Dan]

Every bookstore, right, that uses, like, paper receipts, right. You know, like, it doesn't have a computer system.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Used bookstores, bead shops.

[Jordan]

Where are the arms dealers that work with Antiva? Where's our fucking merchant of death on Alex's fucking show? Is he also selling arms to the antifa people right now?

[Dan]

It's all Soros. Who cares? These people don't.

[Tucker Carlson]

This is.

[Jordan]

This is in the real world that they're making up antifa.

[Dan]

And the Director of Homeland Security is saying this shit.

[Jordan]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Okay. They're just as dangerous as fucking insane.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

They're fucking insane. These people are actually insane.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Whoo.

[Dan]

So Nick Sortor is. Is there.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

In the house. He got arrested and he's cool now, of course. So he's there. And some people might. You know, we're a little ways into the episode, and people might be thinking, like, is there connective tissue to Alex? Sure. And Nick. Nick serves that purpose.

[Nick Sortor]

Maybe we'll start over here. Would any of you like to say something? Feel free. You can say it in front of a fine group of people. Also journalists and reporters. Do you want to start? Sure, go ahead.

[Nick Shirley]

Absolutely. President Trump, members of the Cabinet, really appreciate you guys bringing this together. And the fact that we are here today on such short notice shows how serious you guys are taking this issue of trans terrorists and the. Frankly, the cities and police departments that are cooperating with antifa, such as Portland. I mean, the Portland politicians are literally willing to sacrifice their own citizens just to appease these antifa terrorists. It's sickening.

[Dan]

Nick Sortor kicks things off, and it's interesting how off message his jab at trans terrorists feels in this room. All of the people in it hate trans people, and they're active participants in trying to create a hysteria around the issue. But that's not what today is about. This is about antifa. Focus. And the shitheads who got. Who get to sit at this table, they know that it is not time to overcomplicate things. It's basically a situation where everyone at that table knows that they have a win on their hands, and the power they'll help Trump seize through this will be wielded against the LGBTQ community. But that Trump doesn't like to get into that stuff. Not when he's there. He likes to have public face of tolerance. You know, like he hugged that pride flag that one time. And he loves. He loves gay people.

[Jordan]

Yeah, why not?

[Dan]

The anti trans hysteria is for the audience on Twitter, but they're sitting with the president right now, and they're supposed to be playing for an audience of one. The only subjects you should be talking about are how antifa is bad and hates Trump and how Trump has saved America. That's it. That's all we're talking about here. A bigger point about Nick Sortor is how huge a shift this represents for Alex. After the Boston bombing, he had his reporter dan bedondi scream infowars.com@a press conference in order to push ratings. Now, a guy who hosts a show on Alex's network, a level of responsibility he never would have given to Padandi, is sitting at a propaganda festival with the president, and there's no infowars plug later. Everyone's even talking about good and bad media, and no one says anything about Alex. Mm. In the past, Alex commanded respect in this space, and his ability to have an underling disrupt a press conference where public officials were trying to reassure and inform a terrified public reinforced that. But now he has multiple people he's employed or currently employs sitting at this table, and they understand that they wouldn't be sitting there if they openly touted their association with Alex. Nick Surtor has value as a scrappy young journalist who just loves the flag. But that value diminishes really fast if people realize he's a backbencher at infowars.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, they know.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex is a hindrance to their brand as opposed to the thing that they're like, if it was a car, baby.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When. When you look back on change, Right. Sometimes it's so confusing, and then you kind of, like, work back and see, like, oh, well, this led to this, and this led to this and this level, this. And you can kind of untangle things. I don't think this is untangleable. I think this is inexplicable in all ways. And every time you go to, like, like, oh, well, when this thing happened, it caused this other domino to fall. You would look at that and you go, that other domino only falls.015% of the time. There's no way that domino fell. That's exactly the domino that fell. And so on and so on and so on.

[Dan]

And I think that this is a glimpse of like the dominoes falling.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Looking at this press conference is like.

[Jordan]

How, what, where, when did it sort. Tor is Nick Sortor.

[Dan]

What the fuck?

[Jordan]

Even for the thing that he did, he shouldn't be there.

[Dan]

No, no.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

No. Probably wouldn't be in a week.

[Jordan]

Right. He'll be gone.

[Dan]

Yeah. So anyway, Nick Zortor is there. Sure. He got arrested.

[Jordan]

Crushing it.

[Dan]

And he's cool.

[Nick Sortor]

Okay.

[Dan]

And he says something a little inconvenient, I believe.

[Nick Shirley]

One of the ones that I did a ride along with Secretary Noemi yesterday, President Trump and there was a pedophile that had come into the country five times over the past seven years. Seven years.

[Nick Sortor]

And.

[Nick Shirley]

And apparently under the Biden regime, that was just allowed to happen. That was fine. No problem. It's concerning to me that you're seeing the Portland Police Department, as well as the governor of Oregon and the mayor, of course, coming out and running defense for pedophiles that have entered the country illegally five times. It's crazy. I'm glad it's taking a front row seat in the media and they're being forced to talk about it in reality because we, we're the ones that were on the ground. We're the ones that are actually reporting what's going on. And you know, much of the legacy media has been either ignoring it or covering for Antifa for years now.

[Dan]

Things feel very weird in the room when Nick Sortor says this because the elephant in there with them is that Pam Bondi and Cash Patel are both now involved in the Epstein cover up. And Trump said the people who still care about that are stupid. Then the whole satanic panic media ecosystem just decided to accept that and move on. Nick is really showing his inexperience here because he said that this guy who got arrested, he'd been deported five times in the last seven years. Seven years ago, Trump was president. Yeah. It doesn't really matter what the truth of this story is. Nick needs to trim it up to be the last four years.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

This is sloppy propaganda work where his messaging is off and he. He doesn't seem to know how to tie a bow on something.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it just.

[Dan]

He looks. He looks bad.

[Jordan]

No, he's not. He's not. This is.

[Dan]

This is the show.

[Jordan]

Yeah, this is the show. He's not ready for the show. This dude is minor league at best.

[Dan]

And when you watch Posobic, you really see the difference. Yeah, he is no good.

[Jordan]

There's just the difference between a pro and a minor leaguer. That's just how it works.

[Dan]

That's the game. And a minor leaguer might want to. In terms of seeing the king, you might want to bring a gift.

[Jordan]

Sure. Absolutely. Always wise, right?

[Dan]

Yeah. Except in this case.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

Because Nick tries to give. Give Trump the flag that he saved.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God. This is the wrong move.

[Nick Shirley]

Thank you guys so much for taking this seriously. And President Trump, you mentioned that flag. So remember, you put out a truth right after I.

[Nick Sortor]

That's right.

[Nick Shirley]

I took this flag from that. From that man that was burning it in the street.

[Nick Sortor]

Do you know who he is?

[Nick Shirley]

Oh, yeah, I know exactly who it is.

[Nick Sortor]

So why don't you give it to Pam, give it to the attorney general, and let's start prosecutions.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, I actually have a second flag that he tried to burn as well. So I have two of them from the.

[Nick Sortor]

So what happened when that flag started burning? Everyone went crazy. And that's when it started, when they started burning the flag. So thank you. If you could give the information, it would be great.

[Nick Shirley]

Absolutely.

[Nick Sortor]

And at least that horrible night made you famous. Okay.

[Jordan]

You got blown off at the press conference. He didn't even wait until after the press conference to blow you off.

[Dan]

I honestly think that he was expecting, like, oh, my God. This will be a symbol of victory and our fight against Andrew Tifa. And I will cherish it with every being, every ounce of my being.

[Jordan]

Could you give that to my assistant and give her for me? Give her your information. You guys will be able to handle that. Hey, again, he was great. Do you want to photo op with us? Where are we? Are we doing a press conference right now?

[Dan]

How cool is it that you got arrested?

[Jordan]

Now you're famous now you're famous. I used you. Goodbye now.

[Dan]

Yeah, fuck off, dork. So there's another lady there, another reporter.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

And this just made me so sad.

[Brandy Cruz]

I was told by probably a dozen people not to tell you this. I'm gonna tell too. Anyway, it's relevant to what we're talking about. I'm living proof that you can recover from tds. I had strong derangement syndrome for probably eight years. This is one of the reasons I recovered from it. And by the way, it's much better to not have tds. I'm happier, I'm healthier, more successful. I even think I got a little more attractive after I got rid of.

[Jordan]

My Trump doing bits.

[Dan]

So I suspect that people told her not to tell Trump this because it's very embarrassing and it makes them all sound like children.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Dan]

You remember how embarrassing it was when Glenn Beck cried and tried to rebrand himself with Samantha Bee?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Think about how much worse that would have been if Obama had been there with them. Trump is in that room. That's.

[Jordan]

Yep. I just came here to lick your boots. I'm having a grand time.

[Dan]

I used to not like you, but I turned my life around.

[Jordan]

I had a backbone, but now I'm pretty.

[Dan]

So this is a YouTuber named Brandy Cruz who has a show called Undivided. The bio says it's, quote, political coverage for people who aren't insane, which is strange because by her own admission, until very recently, she was insane.

[Jordan]

That was her.

[Nick Sortor]

Yep.

[Dan]

She claims she had Trump derangement syndrome for eight years, and there's legitimately no way that that could predate Trump coming down that escalator in 2015. No one got Trump derangement syndrome from watching the Apprentice.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

If you take her telling of it seriously, she was fanatically and incorrectly angry at Trump until about a year and a half ago. So she seems dumb as shit in reality. She worked for a local news outlet in Seattle and quit in 2021 to try to go independent. That field had really opened up over the pandemic, and a lot of really sloppy shitheads were making a lot of money, so it had to look like a pretty good idea. She tried to do some news coverage that looked pretty down the middle, but also had some right wing dog whistles built into it, but no one cared. For her 100th episode, she interviewed Andrew Yang, and as it stands, there's less than a thousand views on YouTube for it.

[Jordan]

Dark.

[Dan]

Of all the people here, though, like Brandi kind of makes the most sense to me. She clearly didn't like working at this local news channel, so she went solo, but found out the hard way that no one cares. No one's looking for straight down the middle news on YouTube. That's what we have the news for. Yeah. Anyway, I suspect she realized after a few years of nothing that there was money to be made in those Maga Hills and she went out prospecting.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Good for her. The president sort of made a pass at her on tv, so that's kind of like success.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you know, it's like it's like these people are discovering brand new every time. They're like, you know what? I think candy gives you cavities. I think. You know what? Here's what I think. I think we need to tell people about this. We need to tell people that too much sugar can do damage to your teeth. People have never heard this before and then they go out and they're like, well, I've got this very bland cereal for you. It will solve things. Wait, nobody's buying it. It's almost like people want the candy.

[Dan]

That would work for these people if it were incorrect. That candy crosses candy.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

They would have to be wrong.

[Jordan]

That's right. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

[Dan]

So these people are rank amateurs. And Jack Posobic is slumming it quite a bit, being on this panel alongside the President.

[Jordan]

Just to be clear, slumming it includes the President of the United States, a.

[Dan]

Fair amount of his cabinet.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Those people are disgusting morons.

[Dan]

So Posobec gets asked to say a few words.

[Nick Sortor]

All right, Jack, please say a few words.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mr. President, Mr. President, thank you so much for having us here today and holding this. This roundtable. Antifa is real. Antifa has been around, not a thing.

[Jordan]

You need to say about real organizations.

[Jack Posobiec]

Almost 100 years, in some instances going back to the Weimar Republic in Germany. And it's now been just under one month since we saw a far leftist murder Charlie Kirk. And we saw thousands upon thousands of people, other far leftists and people in positions of authority, people like nurses and pilots and doctors and HR departments, celebrating the death and the murder of Charlie Kirk. This sickness that's out there is absolutely real. And Mr. President, thank you for mentioning the fact that one of the bullet casings read, hey, fascist, catch on it. One of the other bullet casings right next to that had Bella Chow written on it. Now, Bella Chow is a song that is known in Antifa circles as the international anthem of antifa. And all of us around this room that have studied Antifa were very familiar with these symbols.

[Nick Sortor]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

So unlike Nick Sortor and this former Trump derangement syndrome patient, Jack Posobic is used to this game. It may not be every day that he's sitting at the table with the President, but he knows how to act like he's been there before and have message discipline. This isn't a sincere fact finding mission that Trump is on, where he's invited experts to inform him. This is a propaganda spectacle meant to solidify in people's minds that Antifa is The worst thing in the world. So the public will accept it when Trump does horrible shit in the name of fighting them. That's why it's important to pay attention to how Jack is framing this. His words are far more intentional than many of the other people at this table. And it's worth noting that he traces the lineage of antifa to the Weimar Republic. Nazis aren't just Nazis for the fun of it or because of a random ideology they just decided to take on. It's like, oh, this is my hat now. They think that Nazism was an appropriate response to the decadence and degeneracy of pre Nazi Germany or the Weimar Republic.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The Nazis didn't get away with attacking the Jews for no reason. It was because the Nazis were able to blame them for eroding society to the point where something had to be done.

[Jordan]

It's a really good strategy.

[Dan]

This is the same game that Jack is trying to play now. These evil antifa left wing forces have eroded the United States to the point where something has to be done. Either we have to let Trump use the military to occupy these disobedient cities, or else a Hitler type figure might emerge and try to use the military to occupy these disobedient cities.

[Jordan]

Right. It makes sense.

[Dan]

As for Bella Chow, sure, that's a song that has anti fascist connotations, but it was also featured in Far Cry 6 and the alleged shooter is clearly a big gamer and he said that the things they wrote on the bullets were memes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So fuck off, man. You, you know this shit.

[Jordan]

I mean, listen, do you know what? Nobody was. Nobody was like, ah, the Taliban is real. Everybody knew they were real because you could see them. They were there. They were an actual organization with organization. There was a guy who was like, I'm in charge of the Taliban. And then there were a bunch of guys who were like, I do this for the Taliban. Right, Right.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know how some like, religions have like the tenants of the faith that you repeat when you know you're giving your communion? Yeah, that's how that feels.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Antifa is real.

[Jordan]

Antifa is real. All right, thank you everybody.

[Dan]

Tenant of the Trump faith now it's.

[Jordan]

Who, who is it?

[Nick Shirley]

Where?

[Dan]

It's Dave at the Zabara. Right.

[Nick Sortor]

Just.

[Jordan]

I mean, if you're going to oppress me, just let me know when and where I'm supposed to be being oppressed. I'll. I'll hang out. That's fine.

[Dan]

That's. That's generous of you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, I just don't even know where to be antifa at.

[Dan]

Mm. Well, go to right over there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So there's a lot of ding dongs at this event.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Some more interesting than others.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And there was one guy whose voice stuck out to me because he sounds like a little kid.

[Jordan]

You don't need to be part of a super large company to be able to do just basic journalism.

[Tucker Carlson]

All you gotta do is sit and.

[Jordan]

Record and you'll let the story play out. And that's. That's why. That's why they hate us.

[Nick Sortor]

That's why I worked a level of dishonesty that's incredible where answers are changed. If, like just before the election, an answer was changed by Kamala, she gave a horrible death defying, election defying answer and they took the answer out and they replaced it with another answer that she gave five minutes later.

[Jordan]

Got him.

[Nick Sortor]

Having to do with a different subject, but at least it wasn't election defying.

[Dan]

Does that tell you about Blumenthal?

[Nick Sortor]

Level of dishonesty with the media is incredible. Whether it's on antifa or many of the other groups. You know you're talking about antifa, and I know that's close to your heart because that's the one that's most affecting you. But there are others that are as bad or almost as bad as antifa having to do with different people, different sections of the world. But it's terrible. We're not going to let it go on in this country. We cannot going to let it go on. And a big problem is not all of them, but some of the networks out there. And you do wonder why. You really do.

[Dan]

So this guy who's talking about being totally independent is a 23 year old dipshit named Nick Shirley who had a YouTube channel since he was 16. At the beginning, it was mostly prank videos and a lot of him pretending to sneak into places like Jake Paul's wedding. Okay, that one had a very convincing title quote. Sneaking into Jake Paul's wedding. Parentheses, not clickbait. So you know, it's not clickbait.

[Jordan]

It's not clickbait. That's nice of him to let us know.

[Dan]

He also was at January 6, but his video does seem like he's more of a YouTuber guy trying to monetize a freak show than he was interested in Trump at all. Then in December 2021, he posted a video announcing that he'd be going away for two years because he was going on a LDS mission to Santiago, Chile.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

All of his prank videos, even the ones about going to, like, post Malone's house got under 100,000 views. But then he came back from his mission trip and started posting very political content, mostly about immigrants.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Immediately he jumped to 240,000 views on his shit. He posted a video titled, quote, I tracked down illegal immigrants in New York City, and he got 711,000 views.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

Anyone who, you know, their job is to make YouTube prank videos, they're a pretty desperate sort of character. So they're gonna see an opportunity where one presents itself.

[Jordan]

You better believe it.

[Dan]

From this point on, all of his videos are like bashing immigrants with titles like Illegal immigrants are living for free in this city. And quote, I caught illegal immigrants crossing the border. After the ball got rolling with this new brand, Shirley did a strange video titled how this country solved illegal Immigration. It was about El Salvador, and the image for the video said, no migrants, no crime. This was just a puff piece about Bukele, which would end up leading to Nick's biggest hit. Bukele allowed him to come visit the See Cot detention facility and make a video about how the people in there were scary and how Bukele had solved the country's gang problems by putting all the scary people in one scary place. It was perfect content for the right wing media at the time. And Nick got himself over 6 million views on that and what appears to be a lasting relationship with the Bukele government. Just six months later, Nick would return and make a video about how the prisons in El Salvador were good now, which is exactly what the right wing media needed at that point. Times have changed a little bit.

[Jordan]

How is it crazy how that works?

[Dan]

Trump was paying Bukele to house people who he was deporting, so people were a little upset about the conditions that he might be sending them to. And Nick's last video made it look like she was pretty rough. They were trying to scare people about the immigrants who didn't want coming here back then, but now the goal was to alleviate people's empathy about sending people to scary prisoners. The last one got less than half of the views of the first one because of course it did.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Lately, Nick's just been bootlicking the federal takeover of D.C. and his most recent video is A Heart to heart Sit down with Tommy Robinson. So I give him no amount of leeway. Great. There are a lot of people that you can associate with and maybe you can pretend you didn't know what they were all about, but Tommy is not one of them. If you sit down for an interview with him, and it doesn't end with him storming out or punching you. You fail and you're a bad person.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, this dipshit 23 year old former prank youtuber turned police state advocate is hanging out with the President while the president reflects on how maybe some media outlets are antifa and he should go after them. Cool.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think it's gonna be great. It's probably, I think it's gonna be fine.

[Dan]

Probably. Good.

[Jordan]

It's because here's, here's the other problem, right.

[Dan]

What if this is all a prank that this guy has set up?

[Jordan]

But do you understand that the problem is like, like unlike so many other situations like this in the past, these people are also crazy, you know, like they're not, they're not just crazy doing the things that they're doing which are crazy. You know, like Hitler's crazy. Because that, to do that stuff is crazy. But he was, but this is like if Hitler was also crazy and he was like, ah, we gotta exterminate the pink elephants all over the place.

[Dan]

There's two varieties of crazy. There's the like, like, oh no, you have really, really bad plans.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And they have that. And then they're also like, oh no, you're super inconsistent and dangerous and caustic.

[Jordan]

You have really, really bad plans. Like, they're bad plans, they're bad intention, but they're also not good plans.

[Dan]

No. And they're at times silly. And you're talking to this prank YouTuber.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Jack Posobic and Nick Sortor.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's strange. It's very strange. Yep.

[Dan]

So obviously the ultimate goal of this is to take some demonization that you're building up around this nebulous, vague idea of antifa and then apply it to the places that you want.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Which is why it's no surprise that another speaker is basically just trying to say, hey, it's the Democratic Socialists of America.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You gotta get them.

[Nick Sortor]

One question. So why is it there are numerous groups? I mean, antifa is terrible, but you have other groups that I guess probably are almost as bad or just as bad.

[Dan]

Bit.

[Nick Sortor]

Not one other group was mentioned. I'm sort of surprised at that. You just come into contact with Antifa. It seems to be that you mostly come into contact with antifa. Please.

[Brandy Cruz]

There's a lot of overlap. And I would say that, for instance, Jonathan brought up the Democratic Socialists of America. They're basically the same thing. I mean, there's a lot of Democratic Socialists of America who are out there in black Bloc, you know, hiding their faces. And so I think we use. And I do understand, for the record, I do understand the challenge, as Andy pointed out, with Antifa as a graspable entity. I do, because it's not. But at the end of the day, when you look at behavior, you prosecute behavior, Right? We're not prosecuting ideas or analogy. You're prosecuting behavior. So whether you can prove that this amorphous thing is antifa, or someone has a patch that says antifa, it doesn't matter. You know, did they assault someone? Do they assault a federal agent?

[Dan]

Yeah, that's all good and well, but this whole thing is about calling a group that you can't define a terrorist organization.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So shut the fuck up.

[Jordan]

Right. Did you just say. Well, I mean, you know, crime is crime and I guess if they're. It's not a crime to be an tva. So I guess all of this means nothing.

[Dan]

But they're trying to say it is. Right?

[Jordan]

Exactly. Yeah. I mean, hey, listen, if you steal something, we will just prosecute you like you stole something, but if you steal something in your antifa, I mean, again, it's still the same thing. It's because antifa is not a thing.

[Dan]

But if you don't steal something and I get antifa vibes off you, then.

[Jordan]

We'Re going for you.

[Dan]

It's probably still going to arrest you.

[Jordan]

That's what we're trying to get across here.

[Dan]

So I think that this, this person really gave up the game a little bit.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

We want Antifa to be designated as a terrorist organization and we want to pretend that all democratic socialists are antifa and therefore terrorists. And then we can just apply this label to anybody that we want on the left writ large.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

This is the Mayak report in reverse.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

They, they have to know what they're doing.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's too obvious.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

If you're, if you're. Listen, this is, here's what my plan, here's what I say we do, right. Sidestep, Sidestep. These people are nuts. Don't. Oh, we're dsa, we're going to fight. No, nobody was dsa. DSA didn't exist. We're all just sidestepping. Let them run into the wall of their own stupidity. Don't get into a fight.

[Dan]

I, you know, it's as good an idea as I. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

At this point. So Nick Sortor, he has a, answers a question that Trump has.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's, he's talking about Chicago, where we live.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And he's saying, why do these. Why don't these Chicagoans like me?

[Jordan]

Oh, so many reasons. So many reasons.

[Dan]

Why won't they let me save their city?

[Jordan]

You know what? Beyond anything, you're just not. Not from here. Fuck you.

[Dan]

Yeah. You eat pizza with a fork.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Nick Sortor]

You have a governor like Pritzker in Chicago or you have Illinois, which is in a lot of trouble. Chicago's there, you know, potentially great city again. It's not great now, but it could be great again. That's why we have to get there soon, because eventually you can't do that. What makes a man like that say that things are wonderful? Why doesn't he say, we love that President Trump is going to come and help us clean up Chicago and make it safe again as opposed to fighting us and pretending that there weren't 50 murders and 200 shootings and all of that. Why? Why is that? Go ahead, Nick.

[Nick Shirley]

Despite you.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Nick Shirley]

Despite the administration. That's. That's simply what it's about.

[Dan]

It's all about spite. They just don't see your brilliant.

[Jordan]

This is crazy. What is, what is this?

[Dan]

Well, I think it's what Trump wants.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And I think that some of these people are such shitheads and so young. Like, I don't think Nick Sortor is that old.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Nick surely is 23.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Jack Posobic's forever young. He cried at Comet ping pong. He's a baby.

[Jordan]

It has to be. Of course it has to be. Mind melting the idea that the, the dumbest and most pathetic thing you can do is sit next to the President of the United States. Right. You can't, you can't be one of these guys and get the, get the call. Do you want to be, do you want to do this with the President of the United States and be like, you know what, Thinking ahead. I don't want to be an embarrassment for the rest of my life. So no President of the United States.

[Dan]

Well, like, I was thinking about it and like, look, I don't have. We don't have the kind of YouTube views that, you know, some influencer might.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Dan]

But I believe in the content that we put out and I believe in a lot of the stuff that we've done over the years.

[Nick Sortor]

Sure.

[Dan]

If the President asked me to come to a panel about, like, right wing extremism like this, I wouldn't go.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

This would be embarrassing.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Even if I liked the President.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I probably wouldn't like the President. Even if I liked the President.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

That's me.

[Dan]

And I think it would be embarrassing for the President to ask me, and I think it's embarrassing for them to ask Nick Shirley and Nick Sortor.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

No Nicks.

[Jordan]

Everybody involved in this should feel worse about what's happening than they do. And that bothers me. I feel like I'm the only one who feels truly as bad as I should about what these people are doing.

[Dan]

And you're about to feel even worse.

[Jordan]

Oh, God.

[Dan]

Because there's a. There's a Q and A session.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

And Trump gets asked a question that I think he could not have fielded worse.

[Nick Sortor]

Please.

[Nick Shirley]

Thank you, sir. I also have two questions for you.

[Nick Sortor]

If.

[Dan]

If I may have. Have you given any more thought to possibly suspending himbus corpus to not only deal with these insurrectionists across the nation, but also to continue rapidly deporting illegal aliens?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Nick Sortor]

It's been. Suspending who? I don't know. I'd rather. What do you think?

[Kristi Noem]

No, sir, I haven't been a part of any discussions on that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Trump says a lot of dumb shit and people clown on him for whiffing on the delivery of a joke about Hannibal Lecter. And for the most part, I try not to get too bogged down in that stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He's a shithead who loves to talk, and he says a bunch of stupid things.

[Jordan]

He's a shit talker.

[Dan]

Earlier in this episode, Trump said that he took the freedom of speech away from flag burning. And that wasn't a gaffe, that wasn't misspeaking. That was a man directly stating that he opposes free speech. It was a president saying that he does respect the court's understanding of the Constitution, which means that we don't really have a coherent Constitution. The courts have come to one decision, and the President is enforcing a different one. And that creates an unstable situation. Similarly, this habeas corpus thing is not a gaffe. He doesn't understand the basic legal principle that you need to have evidence of a crime to arrest someone. You can't just round people up and then figure out if they've committed crimes later. He heard the verb suspend, so he assumed this was about someone he should fire, not the bedrock of all American civil liberty. I'm sure he's heard the words habeas corpus before, but he just doesn't have any thoughts about them. This is fucked up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's not. It's not. Sure, it's funny that he says you suspend habeas corpus.

[Tucker Carlson]

Who? Yeah.

[Dan]

No, that's kind of funny. It is funny, but it's really, really dangerous.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. No, absolutely. Everybody. Everybody. Here's what's fascinating, right? There are people who are actually real, real adults, right. Who have actual, real responsibilities who could just be like, no, we're not doing this. I'm gonna hit him in the head with a chair. Somebody could go to the White House, right. And just follow him to the bathroom and, like, push him, and then he's dead. It's like he's 90 years old. It was an accident. It was just an accident. It was an accident.

[Dan]

Hey, hear me out.

[Jordan]

I'm just saying.

[Dan]

Hear me out.

[Jordan]

It was an accident.

[Dan]

Stone Cold has stunned him before.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. Maybe he gets invited. Stone Cold gets an invite to Mar A Lago. They're hanging out. They're of course going to meet in the bathroom to do some coke together. What? What happens? There's a trip, there's a fall. Oh, Trump's not going to make it. Who knows? It was an accident, man.

[Dan]

I don't know about hitting with a chair or any of that shit, but adults should just be like, nope, this has gone too far.

[Jordan]

This is.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because either you have to just fucking take over the government or you can't do shit like this.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You can't say that you've taken free speech away from stuff and say, I don't know about habeas corpus. I'm going to leave that to Kristi Noem. You can't do this shit. It is fundamentally incompatible with running a government.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There's. There is a thing, and if you don't use it now, it doesn't exist.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, there is that. If the President is fucking crazy, we can just be like, no president. Right. If you don't use that now, then it doesn't exist. It's like the. It's like the impeachment. If it didn't work, then it doesn't exist.

[Dan]

Yeah. And the Trump gamble is that people aren't going to do things and that they're going to just keep going. Like, he sends troops into LA and nothing happens. So now he'll send troops into Chicago and he'll send them into Portland into. No matter what. It's just going to keep going.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Dan]

It makes me think of a quote that Alex thinks Thomas Jefferson said. Is that how far will a tyrant go? As far as he let him. So I was seeing this horrible display from our government. Sure. And I started flipping around channels.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Dan]

And what do I see? There's a new video from Tucker Carlson titled quote Ice protests and antifa riots. Tucker Carlson warns of total destruction if America doesn't act fast. All right, now this is strange, because last I'd heard from Tucker, he was interviewing Lee Strobel about demons. And then he did another interview with another guy who no one's ever fucking heard of, about how the blockchain was created in order to give demons physical bodies. Okay, we're on a real demon kick. Demon feast.

[Jordan]

It's a demon feast.

[Dan]

Yeah. And now all of a sudden, he's rushing out a dire warning that America needs to act fast to avoid destruction from antifa. This is great timing.

[Jordan]

Aren't Antifa demons?

[Dan]

Well, probably.

[Jordan]

I mean, they, like. Listen, I don't know how you can have both demons, the source of evil and strife for all, and then also unrelated to demons, antifa. Right.

[Dan]

Well, no, because, I mean, like, how do you have the Joker and the Penguin?

[Jordan]

I mean, I suppose you're right, but I feel like once we get into demon territory, we're.

[Tucker Carlson]

We're.

[Jordan]

Then we're just all doing offshoots of demon behavior. Right. So, like, if you're antifa and we've got real demons, then somewhere along the antifa chain is a demon in charge of antifa. You know what I mean?

[Dan]

Maybe. But, like, you think, like, oh, yeah, there's not going to be, like, some people are straight edge, they go to punk shows and they don't drink.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Dan]

Maybe there's some people who don't partake of the demon.

[Jordan]

No, I understand. I. I get it. I'm just saying it feels. It feels a little like Log Cabin Republican to not be in with the demons. You've probably got some. Some perks.

[Dan]

I had this problem with pro wrestling storytelling, which is like, Bray Wyatt, he had the fiend in him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it gave him, like, superhuman strength.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And if we're supposed to believe that this is all real, then every other wrestler should be trying to get a demon.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

Because he can't be beaten.

[Jordan]

You gotta.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's clearly a cheat.

[Jordan]

It's gotta be demon on demon now.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You gotta get your own demon to fight fire with fire.

[Tucker Carlson]

It makes sense.

[Dan]

Yeah. So if you're antifa, you would think you'd be hunting down demons.

[Jordan]

Gotta get demon.

[Dan]

Give you a little power. Absolutely.

[Jordan]

Give it a little boost.

[Dan]

Yeah. So we're going to listen to a little bit of Tucker.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

See how he's hanging out on. He didn't get an invite either, but I think it's probably because he's Too big.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You don't. He doesn't. He shouldn't be there. He's going to draw eyes away from who it should be on, which is Trump.

[Dan]

Jack was mildly slumming. Yeah. Tucker would be like, no.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So here's. Here's where Tucker starts off. Okay. He's a bummer. He's giving you some downer news.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, not to be depressing, but here's the truth and something you should keep in mind. Over the next few years, the United States. Two things to keep in mind. The United States is moving, not inexorably, but still moving toward civil war, number one. And number two, civil wars are the very worst kind of worse. Worse than any kind of war fought against a foreign adversary.

[Jack Posobiec]

So.

[Tucker Carlson]

So to number one, why is America moving towards civil war? For the same reason all countries that wind up in civil war get there. Because the differences between their population, racism between people within their borders becomes too great to bear. People decide, I have nothing in common with people who live near me, and I don't want to live near them anymore.

[Jordan]

I thought it was slavery.

[Tucker Carlson]

Diversity. Difference is actually intolerable to most people. Not necessarily racial diversity, though. Sometimes that too. But diversity of all kinds, it is not our strength. In fact, it is without question our weakness. And it has always been, if you have nothing in common with your wife, do you have a stronger marriage? No. Of course your marriage falls apart. And the same is true for countries.

[Dan]

You must be identical to your wife.

[Jordan]

Hmm. Interesting.

[Dan]

Yeah. So diversity. You don't want to see people who are different than you. It's gonna cause a civil war.

[Jordan]

Right. See, now, I always viewed civil wars differently as like, maybe a bunch of rich people wanted to grab more or different territory within their already control bounds, and then they gathered two different groups of, like, gang leaders, essentially.

[Dan]

Oftentimes, there are the ripples of colonialist history that ring down through time, that pit two groups against each other within a. That happens sometimes.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But also, diversity is bad.

[Jordan]

It could be diversity.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's probably diversity.

[Jordan]

Probably.

[Dan]

I will agree with him that civil wars are bad and that they hurt a lot of people.

[Jordan]

I would say wars all equally bad.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's a bold stance he's taking.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I get that. I get it.

[Dan]

So the US it's falling apart because of diversity. Sure. And here's the problem. Not enough white Christians.

[Tucker Carlson]

And the truth about the United States is that on every level, beginning with a demographic level, the American population has less in common with itself, with one another, than ever. Not possible When I was born, which wasn't that long ago as the modern era was air travel and air conditioning, electricity. When I was born, the United states was about 90% white Christian. It's now less than 90% white Christian. Now you may think that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's a massive change, an unprecedented change, really, in a very short period of time. And of course it's not accidental or organic. That was the result of policies put in place to achieve that result. And they did. There are people who didn't want a majority white Christian Congress country. Okay, they got what they wanted, but what do they have? They have a country with no majority demographically at all. There is no American majority.

[Dan]

You legit can't make your white nationalism more clear than this. The country is heading for civil war because there are less white Christians in the country and making sure that all the power is held by that group. That was what was holding the country together all along. Someone, not gonna say who, but you probably know, wanted there to be less white Christians in the country. So they plotted a great replacement of sorts. And here we are heading to civil war because white people don't have enough power.

[Jordan]

You know, I was just thinking about that. That was the thing, right? Rhodesia, the white people didn't have enough power. That was the whole problem at a point. Absolutely, yeah. South Africa, there was a real issue there, real problem came to a crisis.

[Dan]

Point where white people didn't have enough power.

[Jordan]

But it wasn't, it wasn't that they had too much that caused the civil war. That would be ridiculous. No, that would be silly to think that it's because they didn't have enough. Right, that makes sense.

[Dan]

Yep. And the problem is there's no majority in America anymore.

[Jordan]

That doesn't feel true, but.

[Dan]

Okay, no, it's not. But Tucker, Tucker is a fucking dick.

[Tucker Carlson]

There is no American majority, which is to say 51% of people have something very basic in common. And so what you have is an inherently fractured country, country, languages, religions, ethnicities, backgrounds, beliefs too innumerable to catalog. And so a country like that, unless unified by something, will split apart. Particularly when that country is the size of a continent and is held together by a pretty fragile web of infrastructure, air routes and highways. And so unless you are very self conscious about keeping it together physically, but also spiritually, explaining to people why they should have any regard at all, much less any obligation to people in, say, the next town, much less the next state, unless you do that self consciously, unless you inculcate a sense of national identity, it will, by nature, fall apart. That is a physics principle. And entropy. It'll blow up unless you hold it together. And this has been an untended garden for decades.

[Dan]

I'm pretty sure that white people are still the majority, but I guess Tucker wants it to be white Christians, so that might be under the 51% threshold.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

The US identity could be capitalism. Like, way more than 51% of the country subscribes to capitalist ideals. But, like, that's not gonna work for Tucker because far too many people have seen through the false promises that system is built on. And Tucker's supposed to be a populist type guy, so he can't. He can't do that. He'd be selling a bill of goods to people.

[Jordan]

The weirder, the stranger, the harder times, the more you lean into the faith. Gotta go with the faith.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Don't talk about money right now. Money's gonna be not your problem for a while. You're gonna want Jesus, baby. Yeah, you're gonna want that. That's the good side, I guess.

[Dan]

I guess. You know, you look around and there's just no identity to be found in America.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Without white Christians having all the power, we're doomed to Tower of Babel ourselves all over again, and we're gonna end up in a civil war at the top of that tower.

[Jordan]

Obviously, there's just nothing that brings the United States together other than, oh, just about everything. Just about everything keeps these assholes together.

[Dan]

And there's a number of things. But as far as Tucker's concerned, no one has ever explained why we should be one country.

[Jordan]

But that doesn't sound true.

[Dan]

No. He's a dick.

[Tucker Carlson]

Nobody in charge of the United States over the past, say, 40 years has really tried to articulate why all of us should live together on the same continent. There's kind of been an unspoken military of America, a kind of gay rights technocracy, Globo Homo. We're all kind of cool with, you know, lifestyle, but that's thin gruel in the end. It's also repulsive, but even if you like it, it's not enough to hold people together who don't have common beliefs, backgrounds, languages, religions. It's just not.

[Dan]

This Globo Homo thing is cute, but it reveals how shallow Tucker's discussion of any of these types of issues is. The belief in LGBTQ rights can be built on a bunch of different foundations, but ultimately it comes down to, like, self determination. If you're a man and you Love another man. Do you think the state should tell you not to? Like, if you're not the gender you were assigned at birth? Do you think the state should force you to live a life that you don't identify with when shit doesn't hurt other people? America is supposed to be on the side of letting people choose how they want to live and making room for everyone. This is, ironically, the American identity that I think does unite us.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's what I grew up believing America has the potential to be. Self determination is the American promise, and it's the fuel that powers everyone's fantasies about the American dream. If Tucker's disgusted by gay people, good for him. That's his right. But it doesn't mean anything other than that he's mad for no reason. This entire presentation is just him trying to elevate his bigotry into being some kind of righteousness. And it's paper thin.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's gross.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah, man. It's just that that desire to, like, okay, the idea of looking at something somebody else is doing right. And just being, like, for that to exist ruins my life.

[Nick Sortor]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Is utterly insane. It is other utterly insane to be like, oh, well, I saw this thing. I will never see it again. It will never affect me. It does not physically attach itself to me in any way. The particles of existence did not interact with my particles or even will interact with my particles. And yet I must take over the government to hurt them.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's a strange way to view freedom.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Dan]

You know, and I think that the way that Tucker is talking about makes me think that either he is stupid or he has an expectation that his audience is stupid and doesn't have any real engagement with the ideas of, like, what is cool about America.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

What is the promise?

[Jordan]

Right. Well, I mean, he's trying to remove any kind of. Ironically, his call for a national identity is the desire to remove identity and replace it with team sports, you know, instead of it being the United States of, hey, leave me the fuck alone, government. I got shit to do. It's the United States of. You love the United States. That's all you need.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it needs to be his identity.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

That was. It needs to be. That is the what America is. And you other fucking people are just lucky that we don't kill you.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

That's basically what he's advocating.

[Jordan]

You're either American or we allow you to live here. And, baby, we might not do that tomorrow.

[Dan]

Yeah. So thank me.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Fuck you.

[Jordan]

Fuck you.

[Dan]

What a dick. Anyway, civil wars are bad.

[Tucker Carlson]

So what would happen if it came apart? What would happen if there were a Civil War? Well, the first thing to know is it would be incredibly violent because wars are by nature violent, and civil wars especially so violent and crazy. And you do hear from time to time, people on both sides, particularly on the left, but not only on the left, say, well, I'm just sick of it.

[Dan]

It.

[Tucker Carlson]

I'm just sick of it. You know, I'm ready. I'm ready for the fight. People who say that I've never seen what that looks like. Anyone who has seen what that looks like approaches the entire topic with care and respect because it's incredibly ugly and its effects are generational. And if you don't believe it, consider our own Civil war, which ended 160 years ago in 1865, and we're still fighting it. We're still arguing over the names of Confederate generals tearing down their statues, renaming military bases at stereotyping people in the South. That war is still ongoing on some level. It's not a hot war, but it's very much a cold war and has been for 160 years. Go to Spain. Their civil war ended in what, 1939? They're still arguing about. They're still passing legislation about it. The wounds left by civil wars do not heal quickly. They last for, I don't know, hundreds of years. And they completely remake the country, usually for the worse.

[Dan]

Glad to hear that Tucker thinks civil wars are bad. Slightly upset to hear that he thinks they often change things for the worst. After he gave the example of the US Civil War, kind of feels like maybe he would have rooted for the South.

[Jordan]

Are you. Are you saying that by abolishing slavery, we have come into a worse outcome?

[Dan]

I think that's one of the takeaways you should get from that, because I think he would think that the right side won the Spanish Civil War.

[Jordan]

I would say so.

[Dan]

A bunch of his audience are huge fans of Franco. Yeah, Like, I don't know if that can be an example of the wrong team winning.

[Jordan]

I don't know. What are you gonna say? Sometimes you just wish you still had slaves, you know?

[Dan]

Well, that's what Tucker says, apparently, or thinks.

[Jordan]

I wonder what it's like to grow up with that kind of wealth or, like, in that kind of wealth association, where it is, like, you could have legitimately, people being like, man, man, if only I still had my slaves as a totally normal conversational thing.

[Dan]

And then you just laugh, and then you just got Crazy laugh.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, we'll just pay our employees less.

[Dan]

That crazy, angry laugh that Tucker has.

[Jordan]

Horrifying.

[Dan]

So there is a way to stop this? Yeah, there's a way to stop civil war.

[Jordan]

More white people?

[Dan]

No. More Christians? Nah.

[Tucker Carlson]

So if you want to prevent a civil war, figure out what everybody, or at least the bulk of the people in your nation have in common. Common. And emphasize that. And so what would that be in our case? Hard to know. In fact, at this stage, really, the only realistic hope for national unity is. Spiritual revival is a place where most Americans wake up to realize that God exists and created every single person in the United States of America. And that's what we have in common. Our humanity. Not because our common humanity is meaningful by itself, but because. Because our common humanity comes from God and we're created in his image. And only when people truly realize that will they hesitate before killing each other.

[Dan]

Now, here's what brings us together. I'm fine with you believing that. Don't make me. That's what brings us together.

[Jordan]

Well, okay, I won't. But I will kill you if you don't.

[Dan]

Shit.

[Jordan]

So, in a way, I'm not making you. I am giving you a chance.

[Dan]

And I'm guessing this is my fault.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, if God hadn't put you in this situation. So, in a way, it's God's fault, But also, it's not really his fault when you're dead.

[Dan]

Fucker's mysterious.

[Jordan]

He is mysterious as shit. I'm not. No, not really.

[Dan]

Just kind of a dick.

[Jordan]

Very straightforward.

[Dan]

This guy is the fucking worst.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, yeah, apparently everybody just has to adopt his version of Christianity, and then everything will be fine.

[Jordan]

I mean, I've never lived in a theocracy. It's happened to, I wouldn't say most people, but I think in human history, a solid chunk.

[Dan]

A lot of people have had that experience.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brandy Cruz]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I'd say a lot of. A lot of humanity has lived through a theocracy. And we've made it through plenty of them. Not the people who lived through them. Most of them didn't have a good stretch. But, you know, it'd be interesting.

[Dan]

Here's what I demand.

[Jordan]

What do you demand?

[Dan]

I don't think I get a choice. And that's why I'm making a demand.

[Jordan]

That is the problem with the choice choices.

[Dan]

I demand that if we must have a theocracy, it be Matrix ism.

[Tucker Carlson]

Okay. All right.

[Jordan]

Under Zagami has got to take over. Yes, I would vote for Leo Zagami at this Point. I would vote for Leo Zagami for Pope. I would love to see it. Absolutely.

[Dan]

If I'm arch pope of the world government.

[Jordan]

If I am cardinal, I am right now writing a name in there and I'm praying for white smoke.

[Dan]

I've heard him say the stupidest fucking shit in the world, and it's still preferable to the garment here 100%, because.

[Jordan]

At least he can dance.

[Dan]

Yeah. Spin some wax.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So there's some things that the government can do, okay, I guess, to get people to accept God.

[Jordan]

That's probably really bad.

[Tucker Carlson]

Probably.

[Dan]

Probably. But maybe there's some other things.

[Jordan]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Tucker Carlson]

But in the meantime, there is a step. Step that the government at all levels, federal, state and local can take to restore at least a sense of calm in the midst of rising chaos. And if you can't smell that right now, then you obviously have long Covid because it is redolent. This country is on the brink. And in fact, you saw that the normal dummies today on social media, taking pictures from Portland, Oregon. Everything is fine here in Portland, Ireland. They're liars. Or they're intentionally blind to the reality right in front of them, which is the country is degrading. And you can tell by its cities they are falling apart. There's no country in the world with as many ugly, dangerous, dysfunctional, dirty cities as we have. It's painful to say that as someone who was born and has always lived here and plans to always live here, but that's a fact. And as someone who travels a lot, I can affirm what you already know.

[Dan]

And as someone who travels a lot, I can tell you this until I need to tell you something different that's more convenient to me. Demonizing another country, right, that has all the shitty cities and is a fucking hellhole and they're sending their worst people over here.

[Nick Sortor]

Right?

[Dan]

You know, we'll do that when I need to, but for now, trust me, I travel all over the place.

[Jordan]

Right? Just to be clear, what divides us is a lack of shared unity, which is why I'm letting you know that the city you're in is fine, but every other human being in every other city is fucking crazy and is going to kill you at any single moment because we don't have a shared identity at all times.

[Dan]

Every city that you're not in is besieged by mobs of zombies, all of them feces, everywhere.

[Jordan]

Everywhere.

[Dan]

Needles. How do they fill with feces?

[Jordan]

How do they live? It's almost like I would have to be making this up for People to survive in an environment like that. And, you know, I'm not.

[Dan]

I'm well traveled.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

And I'm telling you this now because it's what works.

[Jordan]

Because it's what works.

[Dan]

So earlier we heard a little bit of Jack Posobics hearkening back to Antifa coming from the Weimar Republic kind of talk. Yep. And I think that you hear echoes of that in talking.

[Tucker Carlson]

Our cities are dying. And when your cities die, your country dies. And a lot of people don't want to believe this because they move to rural areas and are hoping to sort of ignore it. I'd be in that category. But it's nevertheless true. When your cities die, your country dies. And our cities are dying. The kind of death that can't be permanent. They're dying. The death born of chaos, where things just get so crazy and people literally die on the street. Also have sex and defecate on the street, but die on the street.

[Dan]

Street.

[Tucker Carlson]

And that's intolerable. Chaos is intolerable. People can't handle it. So out of chaos comes what? Democracy? Spontaneous order. No imposed order. Dictatorship?

[Nick Sortor]

Of course.

[Tucker Carlson]

Each and every time, that's what happens. Out of chaos, people beg for a strong man. There's always someone willing to oblige, and that's exactly what they get. And that's exactly what we're going to get get unless some kind of order is restored.

[Jordan]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Tucker Carlson]

A way of saying order is not a st.

[Jordan]

Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.

[Dan]

I think someone has just become too much of a dick. I think your brain broke. That's crazy.

[Jordan]

That is the most. Most double speak thing I have ever heard a real human being say ever. That's ever been.

[Dan]

And you know what? When he talks like that, it makes me concerned about what he knows Trump has planned.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

You know what I mean?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Hey, if we don't get. If we don't nip this in the bud right now, it's going to get bad. So anyways, we're going to let Hitler take over.

[Dan]

During the election, he was saying that Trump was daddy and he was going to spank us for being naughty. Like he was selling the entire sales pitch. Was strong man going to take care of what needs to be taken care of? Like, this is him talking about this as a future possibility when he already sold us it was his guy.

[Jordan]

You're the one who made the chaos that gave us the thing. What are we talking about?

[Dan]

All the people were eating their pets. They ran out of pets. That's why we're not talking about it anymore. It's still, still a problem.

[Jordan]

See, here's the problem with civil wars. Here's the problem with civil war wars. People think that it's a civil war. I don't know you. I'm not gonna fight you. What do you think? You believe something. I don't give a what you believe. Why would we fight each other? I want to fight that. That needs a fight. I'll fight him.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'll fight.

[Jordan]

I know him. I know he needs fighting. You're probably fine. Dave from Sbarro.

[Dan]

Dave from Sbarro needs to get his act together with those slices. But yes, Tucker. Tucker could use a good. Like, I don't think you should, like, hurt him, but I think challenging him to a fight. Yeah, like, like back in the old days might be a good thing. Like, like the idea, Meet me at the corner.

[Jordan]

Right. Like the idea of, oh, I'm gonna join the Florida 11th to go invade Illinois and I'm gonna be in the 15th and we're gonna fight each other. Shut the fuck up.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's silly.

[Jordan]

Fuck off. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Yeah. So this guy sucks. Why is he acting upset about the possibility of the thing he wanted? It's weird, isn't it? So I believe that Tucker is a keen enough observer to see that Trump is on his way to a complete dictatorship and that he needs to get ahead of this thing. Going against Trump is scary, cuz there's actual consequences for that. And other than Trump's audience, no one likes Tucker, so that's not an option.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Dan]

The next best choice is to accept that Trump is a dictator, but act like we brought it on ourselves. Which is what Tucker is doing in this video. Yep. It's all very preemptive. You can really feel it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's textbook.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it mirrors what Trump and all these other dicks were doing at this press conference.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Dan]

There's message discipline between these two things.

[Jordan]

Everyone's doing it.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

The thing that's nice, the thing that's nice for us, though, is that it's a lot harder to do in a space as big as the United States. You know, like, if you're thinking, oh, well, we've got a military, we're Germany, we're going to oppress people in our cities. You know, like Berlin, there's a ton of people there, but most of your cities are fairly small. You can per soldier, you can press like a few hundred people. Right. Maybe how many National Guardsmen would you need to send in just to Chicago to oppress the right amount of people?

[Dan]

Well, I guess that's where it becomes a question of the right amount of people.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

A lot of people are going to be hurt by whatever number for sure, you know, and so, like, obviously you're not gonna be able to fly the Trump flag over the city as a vanquished territory or whatever, but, like, you're gonna be able to fuck a lot of people's lives up for sure and also destroy the foundations of a civil government.

[Jordan]

You're gonna try.

[Dan]

So that's a lot of damage.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's gonna be rough.

[Dan]

Anyway, I believe that one of the cornerstones of conservatism, states rights.

[Jordan]

But not for long. Not for long, baby. Not anymore.

[Dan]

Federal government or get out all day.

[Tucker Carlson]

Those of us on the east coast, and look over at the west coast, my home state of California, and watch its politicians declare boycotts against this or that American state. Or say in public, I'm not going to follow this federal law. The federal government has no dominion here. We ALL sort of LAUGH. Oh, they're so crazy. Each one of those actions is a form of insurrection. In fact, every bit as profound as anything that happened in Fort Sumter in 1861, the battle that kicked off the Civil War, the deadliest war in American history, the one from which we're still recovering. Those are acts of insurrection. Either you have a federal government with power over the states or you don't. Either federal laws apply to all 50 states or they don't. And for decades, some states have opted out of federal law and the rest of states have just sort of laughed at them or tried to ignore it. Oh, marijuana is illegal. We're have marijuana anyway. Oregon decriminalized fentanyl and men death five years ago. If ever there was a time to send federal troops into Oregon, it was when Oregon did that.

[Dan]

Whoa, okay. Send in the troops over drug decriminalization. I'm sorry, fuck is going on? Does this guy not realize? I mean, of course he does understand, but like so much of the Tea Party, so much of that, like, it was energized by stuff like Jade, how stuff like the Bundy Ranch, shit like that. Like this is directly counter to everything that is the foundation of where his power sits.

[Jordan]

We went apeshit because the United States government sent a tank to a relatively criminally associated organization in Waco, Texas. Right. That was fucked up. But now we would prefer it if the government sent that to an entire state. Yeah, yeah, because they're acting up battalions.

[Dan]

And if they don't stop acting up, we're going to get a dictator.

[Jordan]

What are they going to do? What are you going to do? What are we going to start doing? Drone striking people in the middle of the fucking street. What is this?

[Dan]

Might open another Sabara.

[Jordan]

Right? What are we talking about? Sending troops in to do what with what? Right.

[Dan]

I don't know. It's something to do with free speech being gone, though, I can tell you that much.

[Jordan]

Okay, fair. Fair enough.

[Dan]

So there's a lot of stuff going on with Trump trying to send risk pieces around.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. We're spread thin on our own nation, I guess.

[Dan]

Yeah. And courts are kind of saying some stuff, but it's complicated.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Tucker Carlson]

But now, because the issue is immigration, which is a core issue, the federal government is doing something. President Trump has announced that he is sending federal troops to the state of Oregon and to the city of Chicago. He's not yet sent federal troops to Oregon. There's a court fight that's way too complex and not that interesting.

[Jordan]

Can we send troops?

[Tucker Carlson]

No. That is preventing.

[Jordan]

Very complex.

[Tucker Carlson]

National Guardsmen have arrived, mostly from Texas, in the state of Illinois, in Chicago, to force the presidency, says that city, to allow ice, the immigration Service, federal immigration officers to do their job, to deport people who are breaking federal law, illegal aliens. And the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois have said multiple times, we do not follow federal immigration law in the state of Illinois and the city of Chicago.

[Dan]

It's not that Illinois doesn't follow federal immigration laws. It's that they don't waste resources rounding up suspected immigrants and terrorists communities by state law. Local law enforcement isn't allowed to be involved with federal immigration policing. But there isn't like, a law that says that local cops have to ride around with cops.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What are you talking about? ICE agents?

[Jordan]

Like, right.

[Dan]

There's. There's no federal law that supersedes this. That's like, oh, you're breaking that law.

[Tucker Carlson]

We have.

[Jordan]

There are people with jobs here. What are we doing?

[Dan]

Yeah. Tucker's version of this issue is bullshit, which is by design, because it's meant to create the impression that Chicago and Portland deserve to be invaded and occupied.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's weird that the Oregon case is too complicated for Tucker to get into because it's really simple. Trump wanted to take over the Oregon National Guard and send them into Portland, and the governor said no.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Dan]

Trump wanted to do it anyway, so the state sued him, and a district court ruled that he couldn't take over the Oregon Guard.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So he decided that he was just gonna use National Guard troops from other states and send them into Portland.

[Jordan]

Makes sense.

[Dan]

So then the same judge who Trump appointed in his first term said he couldn't do that either because that's a flagrant violation of the original.

[Jordan]

I mean, what are you talking about?

[Nick Sortor]

About.

[Dan]

So then the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals heard the case and ruled that Trump could federalize the Oregon National Guard, but that it couldn't go into Portland. Until the court fully reviews the case, I burn it.

[Jordan]

Burn it down. Burn it.

[Dan]

It's all very simple. Trump has insisted on sending troops into an American city, and the courts are putting up ineffectual resistance to it. Trump has, in effect, destroyed posse comitatus and state sovereignty, two of the main pillars of the modern conservative ideology that supposedly drove him into office. And these people are supposed to care so much about, but he's just. He's. To borrow a preoccupation of Alex, he's pissing all over them.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, here's the problem. Here's what's. Here's the problem fundamentally. Right. When this happened and the conflict happened, they took it to the courts, and people expected to. They. You know, they. Listen. What should have happened is they should have just gone to the people in the Oregon National Guard and been like, hey, let's all say we're not going to do this. And if they did, then it wouldn't matter.

[Dan]

Yeah. It is an option of how things could go.

[Jordan]

Let's just not do this. Even if the President orders us to do something that the President can't do, let's just preemptively say we're not going to.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, this was a preoccupation of the early times, right wing, which is this idea that Trump troops would not. They would sign things that they wouldn't follow unconstitutional orders.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Dan]

That's the whole thing about the Oath keepers. That's what their name is based on.

[Jordan]

The whole oath thing.

[Dan]

Yeah. And so, like, yeah, people could do that.

[Jordan]

Whatever happened to you can't make me. I remember hearing that a lot more.

[Dan]

Not anymore.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Apparently they can make.

[Jordan]

Apparently they can.

[Dan]

So, you know, hey, everybody's all up in a. About Trump sending in troops, but, like, this happens all the time.

[Jordan]

Does it?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

No, it does not.

[Dan]

Yeah, it does.

[Jordan]

No, it does not.

[Dan]

Like Eisenhower, has there ever been a.

[Tucker Carlson]

Single instance of some Nazi in the White House sending troops into a state to uphold federal. It's never happened before. It's never happened before, except it's happened like a million times. And it's been celebrated almost every single time. Beginning at least In September of 1957, three years after the Brown vs Board of Education decision came down from the Supreme Court banning segregation in public schools in the United States and in the state of Arkansas, in the capital city, Little Rock, Central High School, a high school, was not. Not following your pro segregation decision. And so Dwight David Eisenhower, General Eisenhower, commander of American troops in Europe During World War II, the President of the United States sent the 101st Airborne to Central High School. The 101st ever. Not like 300 fat Guardsmen from San Antonio, but the 101st Airborne with M1s to a high school. And then he left his vacation and he went on television to explain why he did it. And remarkably, thanks to the Internet, we have the tape. Here's part of it.

[Nick Sortor]

In that city, under the leadership of demagogic extremists, disorderly mobs have deliberately prevented the carrying out of proper orders from a federal court.

[Dan]

Local authorities have not eliminated that violent opposition. And under the law, I yesterday issued.

[Nick Sortor]

A proclamation calling upon the mob to disperse.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep, that was General, then President Eisenhower, September 1957, sending the 101st Airborne to Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, because the racist governor, Orville Faubus, wouldn't let black students attend a white high school. And every liberal in America applauded.

[Dan]

Oh, man. I have no response to this. That's a gotcha.

[Jordan]

Wow. I've been defeated by my own petard.

[Dan]

Yeah. For one thing, like you pointed out, Tucker isn't in favor of Eisenhower sending in the troops to desegregate the schools. And he literally says later in this episode that letting black people into white schools destroyed the education system.

[Jordan]

What are you gonna do?

[Dan]

This is a bad argument at best. This is the side I don't like did a bad thing, so I can too.

[Jordan]

This is.

[Dan]

This is a really shitty.

[Jordan]

This is a debate kid version of this. Right. It's like it doesn't matter what anything I have to say is. This is good for the argument in this exact moment.

[Dan]

Yeah. You haven't established anything in terms of like, what I'm doing is positive. It's just you did a negative. So now we're even.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Dan]

There's a big difference though, between these situations that Tucker is hoping that you don't notice, which is where the big racist sleight of hand trick happens. What Supreme Court order is Trump sending troops into Chicago and Portland to enforce?

[Jordan]

You gotta be What I say the order.

[Dan]

Did the Supreme Court decide that all local law enforcement has to drop everything to help round up suspected immigrants? Is that. Did they do that? Because that maybe would make sense.

[Jordan]

I don't recall it happening.

[Dan]

In Eisenhower's case, there was a specific ruling that racists were refusing to accept. And when the kids were allowed to go to school, the troops had served their purpose. At what point can you expect that Trump's goals with sending troops into American cities will be achieved? At what point is Antifa destroyed?

[Jordan]

Oh, whenever it exists.

[Dan]

Right. At what point have you cleared out all the illegal immigrants?

[Jordan]

I mean, at what point do you run out of people?

[Dan]

Yeah, that's on point.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Tucker's a lying asshole, but he's not this stupid. He just expects that everyone who watches this show is. Or they're full on racists and they really don't need an argument. Yeah. So it just doesn't stand up.

[Jordan]

No. Sometimes it is. It does feel like this is just like, hey, I know you've been in this situation before where you feel like, I'm not being racist, but at the same time you're saying the N word. You know that's wrong.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Jordan]

But I'm. I'm a high status guy. Look at me. Saying absolutely insane shit, too.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right. It's okay for you to say shit. Look at me.

[Dan]

And because I'm this high status person that you're looking up to, I have my own show. I'm cool, and I do commercials for dog telemedicine. Yeah. I am sitting here. I'm going to show a behavior that you can mirror in your life. When you get into an argument that you feel like maybe I can't get my way out of this. Bring up Eisenhower. Yep, do that.

[Jordan]

You got it.

[Dan]

Yeah. I'm going to give you this. This card that you can play, this little trick.

[Jordan]

That's exactly what it is.

[Dan]

It's a fucking stupid trick.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It doesn't work.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

So Chicago.

[Jordan]

What about it? Are we dead yet?

[Dan]

No. We were nuked a couple times in Alex's career.

[Jordan]

Right now, now the Texas National Guard is here.

[Dan]

Ebola might have broken out. No, that was Denver.

[Jordan]

Are they helping us?

[Dan]

They want to, but Pritzker won't let him because he's spiteful.

[Jordan]

He's so spiteful.

[Dan]

And this city fucking sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We're all that sucks. And the mayor's a racist.

[Tucker Carlson]

And Chicago is particular. Particularly, particularly disgraceful.

[Jordan]

What word did you just say?

[Tucker Carlson]

You have to guess about that. I'm gonna show you A video in just a second. But you don't have to guess. Look at the numbers. Look at the outflow from Chicago. Are people who are born in Chicago staying in Chicago? No, they're fleeing. Go to southwest Florida. Go to dinner in Naples some night. And ask anyone here from Illinois. It's half the room. And they're grateful to be gone. That's how dystopian.

[Jordan]

It's gold on every level, Economically, primarily.

[Tucker Carlson]

But even on a more basic level, it's just too dangerous. Oh, the freedoms we're losing. Really? What about my freedom to walk to the liquor store at midnight without getting shot?

[Jordan]

Too cold.

[Tucker Carlson]

How about my freedom to stop at a red light without getting shot? That's totally real. It's not fake. It's not racist to say that the mayor of Chicago is an open racist. So irony of iron is here you have a president sending troops groups, facing down a recalcitrant, racist local official. That does sound like 1962, doesn't it? Except this time, the president in question is not getting accolades from the New York Times. He's being called a dictator. A dictator.

[Dan]

All right, I've won the point.

[Jordan]

All right. We're fighting.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

All right, that's fine. Fine. You say that again. Let's go. Let's just do it.

[Dan]

Yeah. You're not serious.

[Jordan]

Shut the fuck up. Oh, this. This racist mayor is rejecting our amazing holy dear leaders who's trying to. Absolutely.

[Dan]

From the tyranny of being shot at every stoplight.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Yeah, it happens every time you stop at a red light.

[Jordan]

You can't possibly by any means. Like, that is. Is just pissing my face. Just literally.

[Dan]

It would be more respectful.

[Jordan]

Exactly. We would both know what we're doing, and it would be open and honest.

[Dan]

In the same way that when Trump is saying, like, these pillars of the Constitution don't apply, it's just like, fucking take over the government already.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Yeah. In the same way with Tucker. Piss on me.

[Jordan]

Yeah, just.

[Dan]

Just do it.

[Jordan]

Stop dipping your toe in the water.

[Dan]

Yeah. You're not getting style points for this.

[Jordan]

Right. My problem is you're too much of a coward to oppress me.

[Dan]

Right. That's a bummer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Chicago sucks.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And to make his point, Tucker plays some video of some of the ice protests in Chicago. So there's, like, people throwing stuff at some cars.

[Jordan]

Gotcha.

[Dan]

What have you. It's out of control.

[Nick Sortor]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

And then he comes back.

[Tucker Carlson]

So what's interesting about those videos is who's participating in the rioting and the violence there. There's the normal assortment of unhappy white young people make up the bulk of Antifa, the Democratics party party's activist wing. All the little DSA kids, you know, the children of orthodontist from Great Deck who are, you know, reliving the glories of the 60s or whatever. The weird little polyamorous nihilist freaks.

[Dan]

So mad.

[Jordan]

What are you doing? What is going on here? Rich prick.

[Tucker Carlson]

To anyone who's watched this stuff over the years. Years. A repulsive group, a dangerous group, a sad group. By the way, you shouldn't have.

[Jordan]

I'm going to go to the library.

[Tucker Carlson]

Country, they should be looking forward to a brighter future. Getting married, having kids, doing something useful, building something not just destroying. But they're not so that is recognizable. We've seen a lot of that over the past 10 years. And we're going to see a lot more going forward, unfortunately, unless someone gets a hold of to this now. But what was new in that video were what looked like immigrants. Latin American immigrants.

[Nick Sortor]

What?

[Dan]

There were immigrants at the protest. What.

[Jordan]

What is happening?

[Dan]

It's not just all white people in Antifa.

[Jordan]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

Oh no. This is a new phenomenon.

[Jordan]

What is happening to this? What is going on with the brains of human beings right now?

[Dan]

It's crazy.

[Jordan]

That's mush.

[Dan]

Yeah. He can't expect anyone who has watched his show in the past to take this seriously.

[Jordan]

You're the one who's saying that they're everywhere at these protests.

[Dan]

Covered the fucking caravans.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Shit. For years.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The fuck is wrong with you?

[Jordan]

I just.

[Dan]

Degrading.

[Jordan]

I am. Oh, God damn it. You know, it's. It's just. It's just you want a better class of criminal. Really. You just do. At a certain point you're like, this is beneath it me, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah. Well, this is like a guy who thinks he's walking a tight rope.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's like on the ground.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is not impressive. What? You're. You're falling over and you're not off the ground.

[Jordan]

He's failing a fucking breathalyzer test as he imagines he's tight roping. Yeah, it's terrible.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I think one of the reasons that that Tucker is having is he's doing this little pretend shtick.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Is that he wants to not appear racist.

[Jordan]

I mean, there's no way to take anything that he has said up to this point as being racist. Clearly.

[Nick Shirley]

No.

[Dan]

And especially after he says like in this next clip that like there's a lot of really good Hispanic people. There's. There's. I. I believe him already, and this is why. It's shocking that they're involved in protests.

[Jordan]

That is shocking.

[Tucker Carlson]

The truth is all illegal immigration is bad. Bad. Rapid mass migration is always bad because it makes countries crazy and chaotic. But it's also true that our Latin American immigrants are, I mean, probably met a million of them good people, super hard workers. And it's true that they're doing jobs that, you know, you probably did as a kid and your kids probably aren't doing those jobs because Latin Americans are doing them. I'm saying this if you're white. So I think most people who are very opposed to illegal immigration and very opposed to mass migration at this point, very opposed to any immigration, which would include me, definitely, are not mad at Latin American immigrants because they're mostly nice people. They're Christian people, and they work hard and there's some drunk driving, but in general, they kind of play by the rules, most of them.

[Jordan]

What the was that people would get.

[Tucker Carlson]

Here as immigrants and immediately join a violent street protest? You know, we haven't seen that since about 1905. We haven't. That's shocking. That's scary if that's true. And it's scary for the following reason. The volume, the scale. How many immigrants did we get during the Biden years? Well, no one knows, of course. People pretend they know, but they don't know.

[Dan]

Does Tucker not remember all the hysteria he's been pushing about MS.13 and Trendre Aragua? Does he think that he's presented a neutral kind of nice face for immigrants and that he's just now turning the corner because he saw a clip of some people who weren't white at approaching. The fuck is he trying to pass off here?

[Jordan]

I have no idea.

[Dan]

This is brazen.

[Jordan]

This is. I mean, fuck me. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Yeah, they're joining these violent mobs.

[Jordan]

Do you know what I've. I appreciate because it happens so frequently now, especially whenever we're talking about Latin immigrants or whatever, whatever euphemism these chosen people are choosing to use, it's always hard worker.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Because again, that is the only time they interact with these people and the.

[Dan]

Only context wherein he can think of exactly. Call to mind person, totally, totally be lazy.

[Jordan]

It doesn't matter. They're just people. They're people like everybody. We're all just people.

[Dan]

He's kind of telling on himself a little bit too. And he's like, the jobs that you used to do, right? I mean, if you're white, he just automatically assumes the you he's talking to is white people.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's just ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, but look, these.

[Dan]

These people are coming over and they're protesting, right? The fuck?

[Jordan]

I mean, do they have to be coming over? They could just be people who live here who are non white, but they look like immigrants. Let me tell you something. I will say this. Going back further than 1905. There are people who lived here who were non white.

[Dan]

Did they protest?

[Jordan]

Yes. No.

[Dan]

It's been 120 years.

[Jordan]

There it is enough.

[Dan]

Any of that happen?

[Jordan]

You got me. You got me.

[Dan]

It was all white antifa kids who were disaffected and wanted to have a bunch like. Like their ancestors.

[Jordan]

Makes sense.

[Dan]

Who were protesters?

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So anyway, maybe we should be worried about this.

[Tucker Carlson]

Okay, so unemployment is going up, everyone lies about it, but it is. And we just imported, I don't know, 10, maybe 10 million new people. What are they doing here? What was the purpose of that? How are they living? Well, they're living, of course, on the government. But why? Why did they get here? Why did Biden bring them in? That's a question that no one's answered. And all of a sudden you look at these videos and you see people who are clearly just off the boat or the train and you start to wonder like maybe we were actually in invaded. Maybe our ruling class imported an army and pretended that they were migrants looking for a better life. And maybe we're about to find out what that means. This is really scary.

[Dan]

You might notice that Tucker's pretending this is a new thought to him, and that's because he knows that he's about to have to justify a new level of bullshit from Trump, and that requires the appearance of new rationales. Oh, maybe we are. Maybe there is an army. You're rediscovering all these things that you've said forever. Am I supposed to think that Tucker's just now had this light bulb moment that maybe immigrants are an invading army? This has been the thesis of his show for years. Yeah, this is bullshit.

[Jordan]

You know, it comes to mind for no reason at all. But I was. I think I was reading this thing. Well, Jane Goodall, unfortunately. Rest in peace, Jane Goodall.

[Dan]

Racist in primate.

[Tucker Carlson]

Ah, nice.

[Dan]

Thanks.

[Jordan]

But so with chim chimpanzees, when they're fighting, they're like, the first thing they do is to neutralize the threat. So they'll rip your face off. They'll rip your jaw off. Right. And then the second thing is to Emasculate you so they'll rip your balls and your. Your dick just right off. Just tear it off. I don't know why that comes to mind, but chimpanzees are our closest primate relative, so something.

[Tucker Carlson]

Some.

[Jordan]

A thought that I had.

[Dan]

Are you trying to tell me that Trump is bringing in an army of chimps?

[Jordan]

I think that is exactly what I'm trying to tell.

[Dan]

Tell you, Caesar.

[Jordan]

I'm trying to tell you that this man has brought in too many damned dirty apes. Dan.

[Dan]

This is unbelievable shit from Tucker. Absolutely. It's obvious the point that he's trying to make. I mean, and it's comical. Within any kind of continuity for his content.

[Jordan]

Why were they brought? Any number of reasons that you have told me for the past my entire life.

[Dan]

Right. I mean, the migrant caravan hysteria, he was a huge part of that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He can't play this game where he's like, no one has ever answered this question.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. So civil wars. We've already decided they're bad. They are bad, but sometimes they become race wars. Okay, Those are also bad.

[Jordan]

I agree with that.

[Tucker Carlson]

So if all of a sudden these migrants are participating in street protests where they're throwing bricks through the windows of passing cars, cars picking up orange cones and throwing them at minivans, you could see this getting completely out of control. And it's a reminder of something that is very often true, which is civil wars become race wars. That is the truth. It's true. Globally civil. It was Latin America. Lots of the wars in Latin America were really between the Europeans and the indigenous, between the Indians and the.

[Jordan]

So it's not really a civil war. It's.

[Tucker Carlson]

Is it true in El Salvador? It's true across Latin America.

[Jordan]

That could happen here.

[Dan]

Are you talking just. You're talking about colonialism, right?

[Jordan]

Are you saying it's a civil war whenever the people who live somewhere, like, we don't want these white people here.

[Dan]

Who are trying to take our resources and shit.

[Jordan]

Okay, all right, all right. I didn't see that coming. That was on me.

[Dan]

Well, that's a race war.

[Jordan]

I mean, clearly, that's about race.

[Dan]

This guy's a fucking idiot and an asshole.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

So it's pretty difficult to see this and not see, like, exactly what he's aiming towards.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

White people need to fight a defensive race war before it starts. This.

[Jordan]

Yeah, this is. This is. Hey, everybody, put your Nazi boots on. We got to walk across the country and get rid of.

[Dan]

I mean, this is very clear.

[Jordan]

This is the most Nazi thing I've ever heard from a very famous person ever.

[Dan]

Pretty. And I was thinking about this as I was preparing this episode that, like, in the moment, it's almost impossible to understand this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like this is for history. This episode that Tucker did is something that can only be understood after everything happens.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

This is so inflammatory and flagrantly out of line. It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It can only be measured properly within the ability to see the response to the response to the response to the response of. Of this. Like this is a thing that's going to cause a series of things to happen.

[Dan]

And not necessarily that it's gonna cause it directly, but it is a part of what is causing the. It's a part of the wave that is cresting.

[Nick Sortor]

Right.

[Dan]

And is going to hurt a lot of people.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So Tucker plays a video of a guy walking around in Portland and there's people doing drugs on the street.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

And Tucker comes back after this clip and he's just scandalized.

[Tucker Carlson]

All native born whites. Of course, a 72 year old smoking native born white is not a thing I want to hear on the street. Who would tolerate that? A cruel person, a truly cruel and evil person would tolerate that. That's not freedom. That's bondage. That's murder. No normal country would tolerate that for one moment. And in real countries, they don't tolerate that. In a downtown town, they don't do that. Only in the west do they do that. If we keep this up, we will get Mussolini at least because it's so unnatural, it is so contrary to the laws of nature, it is so prima facie repulsive and mean to allow this that it cannot kill, continue. And the fact that it has been allowed to continue tells you everything about the people in charge. They're the worst.

[Dan]

The worst. So, I mean, like, I do think that people doing drugs on the street is unfortunate and a truly compassionate society would see that as a sign that something needs to be done differently.

[Nick Sortor]

Sure.

[Dan]

Tucker's answer to this is not an answer because people have studied this pretty extensively and we understand what strategies are more effective and which are less effective. And unfortunately, the ones that are more effective require quite a bit of funding. And Tucker's against. He wants doge to get rid of all those things. Yeah. All of that public spending that could provide resources for this person who is destitute and on the street doing drugs. Yeah, he. He doesn't have an answer for this problem other than hurt these people more for their own good. Yeah, And I don't think that's an answer. Answer.

[Jordan]

No, it's, it's eugenics. Sooner or later it gets to eugenics. Yeah. It'll get to like, well, the best thing for them is to euthanize them. That's where it's going to be.

[Dan]

Right. And this is supposed to be the, you know, party of personal responsibility. The people who are like, hey, you know, like, you should be able to make your own choices. Government shouldn't be in your business.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Ron Paul was a hero because he was like, people should be able to smoke weed. Yeah, right.

[Jordan]

I mean, like, you know, ironically, I haven't heard Americans pushing this hard for euthanasia type eugenics since 1905. It's crazy. It was, it was very popular back then.

[Dan]

They were bringing it back. So we got one last clip here.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's Tucker talking about how they should send in the troops when people are doing drugs on the street.

[Jordan]

To do what?

[Dan]

Kill them.

[Jordan]

Right, right. That's what we're talking about. Just kill those people is what you're saying.

[Dan]

Get them off the street so people like Tuck sure don't have to see them.

[Jordan]

What? There's only one place to put them.

[Tucker Carlson]

If there was ever a reason to send federal troops into a city, it's 72 year olds smoking meth on the sidewalk. We're shutting this down. We won't have this.

[Jordan]

Going to build him a house because.

[Tucker Carlson]

That person smoking meth is a child of God created by God and you're killing him and we're not going to allow it. Someone's going to do that. That will happen. And the opportunity we have right now is to do it in a way that is not totalitarian. But if we don't do it now, we're gonna get totalitarianism. Trust me. Most coffee companies sell weakness watered down drinks from faceless corporations that don't care about you or your family. Black rifle, which not to brag, is in this cup right here is very different.

[Dan]

So, yeah, there's a little irony of him complaining about people doing drugs on the street and then him selling caffeine. You know, he has another, you know, other sponsors, nicotine pouches. Like he sells stuff that a compassionate society probably wouldn't have time for. Maybe caffeine's a little bit less dangerous than like, I mean, nicotine pouches are, you know, that's bad.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So if he and I were chimpanzees, what I'm trying to say is that I would immediately bare my fangs right I would extend my jaw as far as possible, send a message. Right, Right. And I would challenge him directly and then I would rip his jaw off and then his dick and balls.

[Dan]

What's important though is that you do show those teeth. So there's a moment for absolutely wrecking.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's a challenge. It's not one to be like, I'm not sneak. Attacking anybody bearing the fangs. We begin. Then there is a clear victor at the end of it.

[Dan]

Yeah. This guy is the worst. It's just the worst he is creating. Like the thing that I thought was so interesting was these things are in theory not connected to each other.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, you've got the Trump press conference with all these shitheads and then you got Tucker and they're both really working overtime to make the message that people in these cities are just too decadent and everything has gotten to the point where we need to crush them or else we will need to crush them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's a false choice. And it's basically just, you know, like you said, textbook. It's textbook propaganda tactics to justify horrible things you're planning to.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I just feel like here's. Here's what I feel like is. Is happening and it's a fundamental misunderstanding of where we are. It is textbook. Right. But it's also all theater. Like the, the idea of this, it would almost. It would make more sense to me if I'm thinking to. Through this about how to not like, try and win the next four years. I'm trying to win America. I'm trying to weather the next four years so that there will still be an America after this. Right. And so what I'm thinking is going like, holy shit, Trump, you did a great job. You sent the troops in. We. You fixed everything and then you're good. Or send them in. Occupy him. We'll give him a place to live. Just do everything possible to make him feel like what he wants to happen is happening without actually doing it. Anything. Because it doesn't matter if anything is done. It's not real.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because nothing is being done.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Nothing effective is being done.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Dan]

Yeah. So just.

[Jordan]

You're right. We'll just coddle him for four years if we're not going to present an effective. Like.

[Dan]

But the unfortunate thing is that he's surrounded by and a lot of the people who are in key decision making positions also want to do the things that he wants to do.

[Kristi Noem]

I suppose.

[Jordan]

Do you know?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, but like, really?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because they're mostly shit talkers.

[Dan]

No, a lot of them are, you know, a lot of them are. But, yeah, I think a lot of them also do want to hurt people.

[Kristi Noem]

I.

[Jordan]

Right, I understand that. But, like, it makes sense to me if you're. If you're like, fucking Himmler, because this is for, you know, you're part of the. You're part of the gang.

[Dan]

I think if you're someone in Tucker's position, I think you're right. And that is, like, for him, he has to survive the next however long.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He has to keep his brand afloat, and he needs to not do anything that too severely pisses off Trump. If you're people who are in the government, like a Stephen Miller, like, he does want to hurt people.

[Jordan]

Well, yeah, his only shot is now.

[Dan]

Right. But there are a lot of people who are like that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Who are. Are in positions within the administration.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Serial killers.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. So I think there are. There are the people who are just shit talkers, and then there are the people who are like, nah, nah. I mean, let's cleanse.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If I was, if I was a serial killer, I wouldn't do anything but work for Trump.

[Dan]

It'd be good for business.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So I. Yeah. I don't know. This is a little bit. A little bit off the Alex Y path.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, we got back to Tucker.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I just, I couldn't, I couldn't watch this without seeing, like, there's something going on here.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's definitely messaging that's being built around this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Now, I don't know if that means. And I don't want to, like, come off like I'm reading through the. Between the lines or anything. Sure. I'm not saying that, like, Trump has told Tucker he's going to do a bunch of this horrible shit or whatever.

[Nick Shirley]

Right.

[Dan]

It just feels like the people who are in these media positions are situating themselves in such a way that they can survive or justify Trump doing horrible things.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Trump saying things like, there's no freedom of speech with flag burning anymore. Because I said.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And it's. It's like, that's the, that's the secret power, though, is that they don't know any more than Trump. Trump does. How horrible. That's just like, we're leaving the options open in case he does suddenly go fucking crazy or he might be like, tomorrow everybody gets ice cream in Chicago, because that's who I am today. You know, like, that's where we're at.

[Dan]

I killed Warren Buffett and I took all his ice cream.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. And then we'd all be like I guess that's what the President can do.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Jordan]

The Supreme Court hasn't ruled yet but we've all got ice cream so I guess it's legal.

[Dan]

There's an injunction.

[Jordan]

But who knows? Who knows? I'm gonna try the rocky road.

[Dan]

Yeah. So anyway, shit's weird and we'll be back with another episode.

[Jordan]

Indeed we will.

[Dan]

But until then we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's lntrike.com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor. Yeah.

[Nick Sortor]

Woo.

[Dan]

Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Dan]

Andy in Chansus, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex.

[Jordan]

I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Dan]

I love you.