#1093: November 8, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight #1093: November 8, 2025

Release Date: November 14, 2025
Hosts: Dan & Jordan

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Episode Overview

Theme:
In this episode, Dan and Jordan break down Alex Jones’ November 8, 2025 broadcast, featuring an in-studio discussion with disgraced comedian and New Age grifter Russell Brand. The hosts dissect the pair’s rambling attempt at spiritual, political, and "apology" theatre. Over the course of the episode, Dan and Jordan find both Jones and Brand insufferable and incompatible, highlighting their mutual disrespect, questionable sincerity, and constant one-upmanship. Ultimately, the show becomes a study in self-parody and empty rhetoric under the guise of Christianity, masculinity, and free-thinking.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Bright Spots and Mailbag (00:10–06:04)

• Dan’s bright spot:
  • Disappointment with a new episode of MacGyver.
  • Received an unexpectedly well-fitting coat from a listener named George.
    • "It's very strange...it fits very nicely and it looks good." — Dan (02:44)
• Jordan’s bright spot:
  • Enjoys "Physical Asia," a Korean-Japanese reality competition show featuring teams from across Asia and Australia engaged in fitness contests, sometimes humorously stacked (Australia has the world’s strongest man).
• The segment is filled with the show’s usual camaraderie and inside jokes, setting a light, irreverent tone.

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Welcoming New Supporters (06:04–06:57)

• Dan lists new “policy wonks” and one “technocrat,” using listener-submitted nicknames.
• Alex Jones soundboard clips punctuate these announcements.
• Jordan and Dan riff on internal show lore ("stealing Alex’s watches," seeking to discover Jordan's latent superpowers).

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Experiment: Can Russell Brand "Annoy Jordan into Superpowers"? (06:57–08:49)

• Dan introduces the day’s Alex Jones Show:
  • Russell Brand is guest in-studio.
  • Dan attempts to see if Brand’s presence is irritating enough to jog Jordan’s “Weapon X” superpowers (a running joke about getting too annoyed by stupidity).

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Alex’s Pipe Bomber Conspiracy & The CIA (09:37–15:23)

• Alex Jones opens by dumping a convoluted January 6th “Capitol pipe bomber” conspiracy on the audience, claiming (without naming names) that a Capitol Police officer (allegedly CIA) orchestrated the event.
  • "We knew this. A Capitol Police officer with another group connected to Pelosi...that's confirmed." — Alex Jones (09:37)
• Dan explains this theory traces back to The Blaze, citing shaky “gait analysis.”
• Dan and Jordan mock the "science" involved and highlight the dubious origins and non-evidence backing the accusations.
• Alex avoids naming the suspect to dodge clear defamation.

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Russell Brand’s Over-the-Top Praise for Alex (16:02–17:24)

• Brand compares being in-studio to a “pilgrimage,” calls Alex a "prophet," and hails his role in "the culture."
  • "It kind of feels like a pilgrimage to be in this hallowed and sacred space with you, Alex Jones... you are an early prophesier." — Russell Brand (16:02)
• Dan and Jordan are openly disgusted by the empty flattery and affected spirituality.

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Awkward Storytelling: Katy Perry’s Dad & Russell’s Conversion (18:15–20:59)

• Alex shares a dubious tale about Russell Brand’s spiritual experience, linking it to Katy Perry’s father (Brand’s ex-father-in-law), who “warned” Alex about Perry “going to the devil.”
  • Brand is clearly uncomfortable with Alex’s unsolicited “inside info.”
• Russell tries to defuse, fudging the details and trivializing the story.

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The True Theocratic Agenda Emerges (21:09–22:28)

• Brand advocates for Christian “revival” that makes Christ “king over the nation.”
  • "…a reinstating of Christ to his right position on the throne..." — Russell Brand (21:09)
• Dan clarifies this is veiled theocracy; both hosts note the rhetoric isn’t as harmless as it seems.

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Russell Brand’s Sexual Assault Charges, Lady Slayer Panic (23:11–25:15)

• The conversation awkwardly turns to Brand’s history as a “lady slayer”/womanizer.
• Alex jokes about their sexual exploits while Brand (facing real-world assault charges) tries to defuse with nervous humor.
  • "History don't call it a lady slayer when I've got to face a rape trial." — Russell Brand (23:42)

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"Conversion" Testimony, Demonic Inner Dialogues (25:40–32:30)

• Alex puts Brand on the spot about the details of his religious conversion, invoking an “old man on the beach” story. Brand ambiguously brushes it aside.
• Brand and Alex bond over “the devil” being the source of negative self-talk.
  • Dan dissects how calling inner criticism “demonic” is harmful, advocating for therapy over spiritualizing mental struggle.

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Brand as the “Apostate” of Modern Culture (32:49–36:02)

• Brand frames himself as having left “celebrity culture” and become an apostate, blaming cultural emptiness and anti-free-will globalists (like Yuval Noah Harari) for society’s woes.
• Dan rebuts, tracing Brand’s fall from comedic grace into his current opportunism.

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Compliment, Insult, and Supplement Grift Irony (37:54–40:32)

• Brand tries to praise Alex as an "independent newsman," but can't resist jabbing at Alex’s methylene-blue-stained thumb.
  • "You were one of the first...to blow an imaginary trumpet..." — Russell Brand (37:54)
• Dan and Jordan point out the real irony: Brand is actually making fun of Alex’s sad, grifty present—not boosting him.

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“Praying” One-Upmanship (53:33–56:44)

• Brand asks Alex how much he prays; Alex claims "constant prayer connectivity," Brand claims to kneel for private prayer.
• Both escalate performative spirituality, but then agree not to have a “prayer-off.”

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Climate Tyranny, Dogs, and “God’s Terraformers” (56:46–58:47)

• Brand and Alex riff on news that UK sandwiches now have carbon ratings and officials want pets banned for climate reasons.
• Alex rants, "We are God's terraformers!" (57:48)
• Both descend into pseudo-cosmic talk about human “expansion” and “magic in your DNA.”

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Russell Brand’s Annoyance & the Philosophy of Free Will (59:53–67:56)

• Alex declares “biological life is from God, silicon is from Satan... DNA is a laser beam.”
• Both meander through theological nonsense about God’s “only sin,” the problem of pain, and humans as “little G” gods.
• "We’re a laser link." — Alex Jones (61:15)

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Mutual Disrespect: Business, Masculinity, and Race (70:35–80:17)

• Banter devolves into passive aggression:
  • Brand openly mocks Alex’s supplement hustle with a Smurf joke.
  • Alex retorts with “my dad was in MK Ultra,” but Brand breezes past.
• Brand claims American men are “vilified” to undermine their protector role in a coming conflict; Alex goes full white nationalist, declaring only people of “British Isles spirit” are capable of leadership. (79:09–80:17)
  • "They're the only people left ready to take action. And they can...inspire the Hispanics, the blacks..." — Alex Jones (80:03)

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Climax: Prayer as Insult (“Forgive Alex for Sandy Hook”) (95:01–96:36)

• In a passive-aggressive highlight, Brand closes by praying—ostensibly for Jones’ spiritual absolution regarding Sandy Hook:
  • "Heavenly Father, pray for absolution and forgiveness for Alex...for any transgressions... around the matter of Sandy Hook." — Russell Brand (95:19)
• Dan and Jordan see this as a calculated slap—Brand, accused rapist, throws Alex’s own worst scandal back at him while pretending piety.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Alex, on supplement-stained hands:
  "We are God's terraformers!" (57:48)
• Brand, on Alex's role:
  "A man so extraordinary that... you are an early prophesier." (16:02)
• Brand, on the photo of a bird:
  "That's a beautiful heron, man... It's a bird of wisdom." (95:16)
• Brand, retaliating with passive-aggressive prayer:
  “I pray for the people that were affected there, for the people that lost their children. And I pray your forgiveness for your son, Alex Jones, for the great work that he does and continues to do…” (95:19)
• Alex, redefining DNA:
  "We're a laser link." (61:15)
• Alex on British Isles as leaders:
  "They're the only people left ready to take action. ...their courage will inspire the Hispanics and the blacks." (80:03)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [09:37] — Alex’s wild J6 pipe bomber/CIA conspiracy dump
• [16:02] — Russell’s “pilgrimage” and prophet flattery
• [18:15] — Katy Perry’s dad and the "conversion" story
• [21:09] — Russell previewing the theocratic project
• [23:42] — “Lady slayer” panic/Brand rape trial asides
• [25:40] — Trivializing personal conversion story
• [29:33] — Demonic inner dialoguing
• [37:54] — Compliment-insult-supplement irony
• [53:33] — Prayer-off, performative piety
• [56:46] — Climate sandwich, “God’s terraformers” tangent
• [59:53] — Biolife vs silicon, DNA laser theory
• [70:35] — “Smurf blood” supplement jokes
• [80:03] — Open white nationalist themes about leadership
• [95:19] — Brand’s Sandy Hook “forgiveness” prayer

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Host Analysis & Recurring Themes

Mutual Disdain and Empty Posturing

• Both Brand and Alex can’t stop needling each other.
• Nonstop one-upmanship about prayer, masculinity, public respect, even who’s more “controversial.”
• Brand openly mocks Alex’s supplemental grift and tabloid scandals; Alex makes “lady slayer” jokes about Brand despite his ongoing rape allegations.

Theocracy, Magic, and Pseudo-Science

• Both guests want a Christian theocracy—“God’s plan” laundered through pseudo-DNA theory and vague apocalypse narratives.
• Heavy-handed Bible and magic DNA references obscure any clear theological position.

Passive Aggression Becomes Open Aggression

• Brand’s “forgiveness” prayer for Sandy Hook is a pointed, public humiliation.
• The show ends with both men battered, no closer to solidarity than when they started.

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Conclusion: Two Grifters Enter, No Truth Emerges

Dan and Jordan deliver a dense, biting analysis of an episode heavy on mutual deception and self-parody. Brand and Jones expose their glaring intellectual, spiritual, and personal hollowness, locked in a battle for attention and absolution they can’t actually give each other. The final judgment: “Their vibes individually are bad. Mixed together it’s like chocolate on pizza.”

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For listeners:

• This episode is best if you enjoy watching serial grifters trip over their own egos.
• Expect plenty of insightful (and hilarious) dunking by Dan and Jordan—especially on topics like performative religiosity, bad-faith arguments, and how desperate men behave at the edge of cultural relevance.

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End note:
For more context on show structure, running gags, and deep dives into Alex Jones’ history, visit knowledgefight.com or check the show’s comprehensive archives.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert. Not Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a fish in color.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back. Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan Jordan, Dan Jourdan. Quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, my bright spot originally was going to be how all good things come to an end. And we're the new episode. The next episode of MacGyver is no good.

[Jordan]

No good.

[Dan]

It was boring. Just. He has a friend who's doing wildcat drilling, ends up blowing up his oil rig, so they have to go and get TNT to blow it up to put out the fire.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Okay.

[Dan]

I do like that they call themselves hellfighters, like, instead of firefighters.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

That's fun.

[Jordan]

Escalation is nice here.

[Dan]

Yeah. But the episode stunk. It was real boring.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

How many smooches? Oil rig smooches.

[Dan]

Here's the thing. None, I think.

[Jordan]

None. You think?

[Dan]

I did really stop paying attention in the last about five minutes of the episode. Right. So it's possible that he ends up smooching the lady whose husband he's helping. Like, if she dies, he might have at the end of the episode.

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

I just wasn't paying attention.

[Jordan]

They just move on together, and it.

[Dan]

Was just too boring to even care about. Smooches.

[Jordan]

Brutal.

[Dan]

But thankfully, you showed up. And Z in the mailbag. What did we find? But nice coat from George.

[Jordan]

I mean, George, George. Amazing coat.

[Dan]

Sending me a coat.

[Jordan]

Here's the thing. It was. We were all teed up to be like, of course you can't just send somebody a coat. You don't know your size. You don't know what's going on.

[Dan]

I've got a weird body.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. This is all we were set up to be. Like, please don't send any more coats. It was funny as a bit. This would work.

[Dan]

It's. There's a very strange thing that happened that it fits very nicely and it looks good.

[Jordan]

It looks great on you. It looks so good on you.

[Dan]

So anyway, George, thank you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, George, you nailed it, buddy. You had no idea how good you did.

[Dan]

Kind of hoping for another six months or so of Dan get a coat. Will they, won't they? Kind of tension, but I'll take a coat.

[Jordan]

This is a married marriage right here. We're gonna see you in this coat for 10 years.

[Dan]

It's possible. So thank you. That's very nice.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is this show Physical Asia, if you recall. Do you remember physical 100?

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Okay. Well, the Koreans know how to make competition reality shows where super ripped hot people do competitions with each other to see who's the biggest.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

And so they.

[Dan]

Physical. Yeah.

[Jordan]

They upped their game from just the hundred most ripped Korean people to a bunch of teams from all around Asia. And then Australia also has a team.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And it's great. It's fantastic.

[Dan]

What sort of contests are they doing?

[Jordan]

You know, just like lifting weights, doing sit ups and shit.

[Dan]

You know, it's like just general fitness, strongman type competitions. Like throwing a boulder over your head.

[Jordan]

Not fully. There is some of that, but it's more geared towards the fitness aspect. So like endurance, some agility. Absolutely, yeah.

[Dan]

The.

[Jordan]

The quick people have their advantages. The thin people have their advantages. But then there's something that's extremely unfair, which is that Australia has the world's strongest man on their team.

[Dan]

Hmm.

[Jordan]

Which I think is unfair. You can't have the world's strongest man.

[Dan]

Yeah. I mean, if that's what the competition is about, it kind of decides things in advance.

[Jordan]

I mean, in any contest of strength, you got to feel like maybe the guy who's the number one strongman is going to win it.

[Dan]

Are you talking about Mark Henry? You talking about sexual chocolate?

[Jordan]

No. Although I recall those days. Magnus Magnussen or those guys?

[Dan]

I don't think so. He's a pro wrestler using the Nation of domination.

[Jordan]

Oh, no, I was thinking about a different guy.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. No, he was partnered with D Lo Brown for a long time.

[Jordan]

All right, that sounds fun.

[Dan]

Fun wrestler.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, I'm glad you're enjoying the show.

[Jordan]

It's great.

[Russell Brand]

There's a.

[Jordan]

One of the best things is that the first episode is just introducing all of the teams from all the different countries. It's so exciting. It's like the. It's like the start of Mortal Kombat. You're like, oh, shit. These people are coming out with their flags, and it's fantastic.

[Dan]

Do they have, like, team themes?

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

But not like, you know, not like.

[Jordan]

Like the flag or not like the. No, no, no. There's not like, we're the baseball bat Indonesians. No, no, not quite that.

[Dan]

I wish.

[Jordan]

But there's definitely, like, cultural. Like, we're clearly from this kind of culture, and this is how we represent in this kind of. It's great. It's fantastic.

[Dan]

Nice. Yeah, I'll give it a. Give it a twist shot now that I'm. My mouth is all soured on. MacGyver.

[Jordan]

Can't do it.

[Dan]

I'll give him another shot.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. It is not the world's strongest episode, but it's something. And we'll get down to it here in a second. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's great idea.

[Dan]

So first, shout out to kissing kit with the fresh fit crit. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And my other car is a gambling addiction. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And Huey Newis and the lose. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much. To passenger Princess Devena. You're the greatest thing since spreading the thighs of Americana. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Russell Brand]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, I think that there's been a number of goals we've had doing this show. Sure. There's been a. Let's understand Alex Jones better. Sure. Let's find out what he believes. Right. And then I think lately there's been one goal that has taken over my mind.

[Jordan]

Let's steal his watches.

[Dan]

No. That is a nice little side thing. We need to get you superpowers yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, fuck me.

[Alex Jones]

Oh.

[Jordan]

Is this one going to be a bad one?

[Dan]

Well, see, we. We listened to a bit of Tucker. Tucker Carlson.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And we've theorized that there is a point at which you will grow so frustrated by listening to Deadpool.

[Jordan]

It. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

It will be your weapon X moment.

[Jordan]

Right, Right.

[Dan]

Program. I can't remember that guy's name still.

[Jordan]

It's my favorite X file is Logan.

[Dan]

That's right.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

So it didn't work. We listened to a fair amount of Tucker's show and it no powers manifested. And so I thought like, well, obviously that means you don't have any superpowers. There's nothing here.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But then I realized we have to change the variable a little bit.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Maybe Tucker is not the frequency that's going to frustrate you enough.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

To get those superpowers act.

[Jordan]

Okay. So we're talking about tuning into the correct frequency of tone to allow me to like explode with a Hulkness.

[Dan]

Right. Okay, Well, I mean, it's worth exploring.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Why not?

[Dan]

So here's a little out of context drop from today's show.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

They're trying to crash economy right now. They're trying to crash the stock market.

[Russell Brand]

Is that what's happening?

[Alex Jones]

Oh, yeah, it's. It's bad. Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

You motherfucker. You are joking.

[Dan]

So on November 8, Russell Brand dropped by to have a little chat with Alex. And we'll see. I think that there's a chance that he's annoying enough.

[Jordan]

You know how much I hate him. You know how much I hate him.

[Dan]

Well, I think a lot of people have quite a bit of hate for him. Rightfully so. He sucks. But he does suck. I was drawn to this mostly out of the urge to see if we could get you superpowers. Sure. But then also just because, you know, who cares what Alex thinks? It's kind of fucking stupid.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know what I love?

[Dan]

Try a little change flavor.

[Jordan]

I love when Russell Brand just is allowed to keep talking. Just keeps going.

[Dan]

You know what? Then you'll actually like this a bit because Alex interrupts him constantly.

[Jordan]

That's great. Now I'm happy. Now I'm happy. Finally we have something in common. Keep this man from talking too much.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a real push and pull. So we're going to start off here with Alex introducing the the interview and breaking some big news.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, here you are for the next hour, 30 minutes or so, however long you want to stay. And talk about planets aligning. Though we had this set up, you know, like a week or so ago or a couple weeks ago if you'd come in on the Saturday. And then all hell broke loose yesterday. And now even Thomas Massey seen the documents. I know the congressional stuff. I know the doj inside baseball. The doj under pressure from Cash Patel and others, and Pam Bondi is holding off on this. People are giving Ed Martin the credit. He's like, don't give me the credit. But I can tell you he officially has been looking at this. They knew this. A long time ago. We knew this. A Capitol Police officer with another group connected to Pelosi, who's actually CIA. That's confirmed. With the fake pipe bombs and all that they were planning a false flag against Kamala Harris, who they had go to an office building where this bomb got planted outside. We knew this right when it happened four and a half, five years ago. But now it's come out. Thomas Massie. America's waking up today to learn the Capitol Police turned CIA orchestrated. This is Thomas Massey, one of the most trusted people in America. The pipe bomb again. America is waiting today to learn the capital police turned CIA orchestrated the pipe bombs on January 6th. And the FBI has covered it up for over four years. I questioned FBI Director Ray, ATF Director Dadlebach and FBI Assistant Director. And. And now they're questioning why is Cash Patel sat on this for 10 months. They know all this. They have the geolocation off of her cell phone. Private groups were able to get it. They claimed it was corrupted. They couldn't, but they proved it. They also got the cameras, ran it through the programs that do the biometric gait, and now she's at the CIA. This is so huge.

[Dan]

You've got your. Your guest here, and you're just talking for a minute and a half.

[Jordan]

Yep. Just full on.

[Dan]

I'm gonna introduce you, but here I've.

[Jordan]

Got something completely separate to say, unrelated to you. Entirely.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yep. So you might notice that Alex seems pretty careful not to say the person's name who he's claiming has been proven to be the J6 pipe bomber.

[Jordan]

Feels strange.

[Dan]

He's making up a mountain of evidence against this person. And he absolutely knows that what he's doing is defamatory. So he's trying to hedge his bets by not saying. Hmm. There's been a theory flying around dipshit media about how the person who planted the bombs was a former Capitol Police officer who went on to work for the CIA.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

This all goes back to an article published on Glenn Beck site The Blaze, which reported that, quote, a forensic analysis of A female former U.S. capitol Police officer's gate is a 94 to 98% match to the unique stride of the long sought January 6th pipe bomb suspect.

[Jordan]

I'm going to. I'm sorry, can I. Can I just go back to. So I initially heard Gates G A T E. Because in no way would you ever think to say that the way that this person walks is so close to the way that this other person walks. They must be the same.

[Dan]

Her giddy up is.

[Jordan]

That would be insane.

[Dan]

Right in line.

[Jordan]

That would be crazy.

[Dan]

So that article goes on to name the Capitol Police officer who would currently own the Blaze in a sane media ecosystem. Right. She should be suing the shit out of these.

[Jordan]

Make sense.

[Dan]

That article relies on a bunch of expert law enforcement analysts.

[Jordan]

They know what they're talking about.

[Dan]

Like Alex's regular guest, Kyle Seraphin.

[Jordan]

Right, Right.

[Dan]

It's really just a big pile of shit.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's no evidence presented to accuse this person other than this gait analysis, which is interesting science, but it's not good enough. People do have distinctive walks and they've. People have found when they've looked into this, it is pretty hard to like, directly impersonate someone's walk.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

So there is a fingerprinty kind of nature to it.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And there have been algorithms that have been tested to identify people that way. But it's not as simple as just like plugging in a few videos of someone and saying, looks like a 95% match. I read a paper from 2024 on a promising gate recognition software, and they were able to get about 96.7% accuracy rate. But that was in a context of like a controlled environmental setting for the experiment. And they needed to use sensors, get the baseline of the gate in order to match this. This is sloppy shit by the Blaze.

[Jordan]

So you're saying that this program couldn't suddenly identify each individual out of the 300 odd million people that live in the United States based on their walk?

[Dan]

No. It's not as crazy a premise.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Like we could end up in a world in the future where people are identified by walks.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like there is a possibility of that.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

But the way the methodology of how they did this is really dumb.

[Alex Jones]

Right? Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's also probably worth noting that the author of this article who's working for the Blaze, Steve Baker, he was arrested for participating in the January six riots. He pled guilty to multiple misdemeanors, which were ultimately pardoned by Trump.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

It's shitty work by being done by someone who has a very clear conflict of interests. And these people who. Man.

[Jordan]

So the theory is this Capitol Police officer walked. Very important. To plant a pipe bomb.

[Dan]

Two of them.

[Jordan]

Two of them. To blow up Kamala Harris's human RNC and dnc. Right, right. And then quit the Capitol Police and then got a job at the CIA.

[Dan]

Well, no, the theory would be that she was doing it under the auspices of the CIA to begin with.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And, like, this was part of her. Like, you do this, you're in.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. But. But that would be crazy to then give her a job at the CIA. Right.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, I think the CIA is crazy.

[Jordan]

I mean, at the very least, to announce that we've given her a job would be an insane. Like, to directly reward somebody for potential terrorism.

[Dan]

You really think you'd kill them?

[Jordan]

I mean, that's the only. Why don't people just kill people in these funny stories? Yeah, that's the only way to make sense.

[Dan]

It's an insane loose end.

[Russell Brand]

Yeah.

[Dan]

To just leave hanging and something that the Blaze could figure out by looking at someone's walk. You wouldn't. You wouldn't want to leave that to chance. Kind of dumb.

[Jordan]

Like, you're in the cubicles with all the other CIA agents all just on your phones, like, trying to investigate, and somebody goes, oh, shit. The Blaze saw you walk. You're fucked.

[Dan]

The Blaze found a video of you playing soccer. You're fucked. You're done.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God. You were a pimp in the 90s. They know how you walk.

[Dan]

Cyanide capsule. So Russell comes in, and he's obviously very excited to be there and thinks that this is hallowed ground.

[Russell Brand]

I'm really grateful to be here with you. And it kind of feels like a pilgrimage to be in this hallowed and sacred space with you, Alex Jones, a man so extraordinary that I think initially people didn't know how to categorize you. Now I do. Since coming to Christ, I've understood what your role is in the culture, that you are an early prophesier. And, you know. You know who prophesies, Alex? You know, who does that work? And I suppose because we live in such an extraordinary, ultra rational but super dumb culture, people don't know how to understand someone that communicates like you, that sees the future, that speaks with passion, that isn't perfect because you're flesh, but you are a real great man.

[Dan]

All right, so let's just accept that Alex is a prophet. Sure. Write A new book to add to the Bible, you fucking cowards.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

If this is truly hallowed ground at Alex's supplement commercial studio, and Alex has the kind of importance that the world hasn't seen in generations, then write a new book and demand Christianity adopt it. How can the Bible possibly be complete if there's no mention of Trump or the evils of Fauci and the nefarious Covid plot? If we're being asked to take any of this religious pomposity seriously, then these guys need to write a new New Testament and it's time for them to get real about who they really are and what they're doing. They're trying to take over a religion, so fucking do it already.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah. I mean, I. I strongly resent the idea of somebody calling the culture dumb inside that Cadbury cream egg of bullshit that he just spun around it. You can't call Alex Jones fucking prophet and then be like, and this culture so dumb. You're a God given talent, my friend. Like, what are you talking about?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Fucking insane.

[Dan]

It's. It feels bad, I think for both of them. I don't. I think that they both don't respect each other.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

In any way.

[Jordan]

Yeah. This is. This is a. An offensive opening. I mean, if you. Alex would never know this, but this is a British person making fun of you, right?

[Dan]

Maybe. I mean, we'll see. We'll see as it goes along. If you get any other clues of that, that sort of.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Gentlemanly.

[Jordan]

I get the sense that we're going to hear a lot of three examples of things over and over and over again today, maybe.

[Dan]

So Katy Perry used to marry. Yes, they used to be married, her and Russell Brand. Katy Perry was married.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Like, why are we gonna close it?

[Dan]

And Alex knew her dad and because he was like a big Christian guy and she was in Christian music originally.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Makes sense. And so apparently this. This guy, he once told Alex that Katy Perry was going towards the devil.

[Alex Jones]

I followed you very closely and have loved your work, but some people say, oh, he just now had this conversion to Christianity a few years ago. And I happen to be at the same island years later in Florida, Boca Grande, where it actually happened. I talked magically to the old man of the locals that saw what happened. I don't even know. I know this story, but you kind of had a soul on the road to Damascus moment. But you're already seeking. But I remember 12, 14 years ago, whenever it was you were leaving, you know Katy Perry.

[Russell Brand]

Keep talking about Katy Perry. The reason I raised it is because of Justin Trudeau. Is that why you're bringing it out?

[Alex Jones]

The reason? Who cares about it? I agree. But I remember her dad on saying, no, no, they were listening to your show. Russell was waking up. She wasn't. He was saying you were being good. She was with the devil.

[Dan]

Yeah, man, that sounds like something a dad would do.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Dan]

So if you're Russell, Brad, just imagine this for a second. You used to be married to this woman that was your father in law.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You probably know the guy pretty well. You would hope. Yeah. Yeah. And here's Alex being like, yeah, he was telling me back then that your daughter, his daughter was of the devil. You have to think this guy's a fucking idiot.

[Jordan]

I mean. Or at the very least, that's a rude thing to say.

[Dan]

Quite rude. Quite rude.

[Jordan]

At the very least, you're a very rude person, Alex.

[Dan]

Unless it's like public knowledge that like, Russell hates Katy Perry's dad.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And then maybe it's not as rude. It's still a little rude.

[Jordan]

It's such a weird story to make up. Right. So that would take me aback right out the gate of just being like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Katy Perry went to the devil.

[Dan]

And that's just after Alex saying, like, I magically talked to the old man who was there when you came to Christ.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that.

[Dan]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Jordan]

We've got a lot of magic already in the episode.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

We're starting off real magical.

[Dan]

And Alex is also trying to be like, I know a lot. Like, I know clearly old man from the like, that is. I know Katy Perry's dad.

[Jordan]

Listen, I was there. Whenever you talk to Bagger Vance, I know what's up. You're getting visited.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. So if I had to give, like just sort of thesis for what I think these people want, it's not to be held responsible for things. Sure. And they want a theocracy.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Russell Brand]

Well, if you think about it, Church of England, it's like, it suggests that it's somehow inferior to England in the running order. Church of England, it's beneath England. And I think probably. I really would love to know your thoughts on this, Alex. I feel that this revival that we're participating in that's unfolding before us might be a reinstating of Christ to his right position on the throne. That nation, while nation, is important. It's nation under God, not nation that deploys and utilizes God for itself.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I Totally agree. And I want to get to that about you.

[Dan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

Because.

[Dan]

Because how long is it going to.

[Russell Brand]

Be before we get to talk about me, Alec?

[Dan]

So I get that Russell is a silly goose and Alex is a fun idiot, but these ideas aren't interesting, new, or fun. They just want a theocracy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There are two versions of placing God on the throne that you can advocate for. One is fine, and the other is theocracy. And it feels like Russell's the type of fellow who likes to advocate for one while pretending he's interested in the other. Like, if you in your personal life view God as a higher authority than the state.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Good for you.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This will become a problem if you bomb an abortion clinic.

[Jordan]

It will be.

[Dan]

But up until the points where you break the law.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

We don't care.

[Jordan]

As long as you leave everybody alone. You can believe whatever fucking shit you want.

[Dan]

Our culture is basically designed around accommodating that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah, sure. Great.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There are demons. Great. That's fine. Go to work.

[Dan]

If you want God to be on a throne that I have to answer to, this is where we're going to run into some issues.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. Right. Who gave you the. Who gave you that power? God did. Not to me. We didn't talk. He didn't tell me any of this shit, my friend.

[Dan]

This is going to get circulated.

[Jordan]

Not going to be good for me, is it?

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Jordan]

You got a lot of people and a lot more guns.

[Dan]

Yeah. So, Russell, I don't know if you know this, is facing charges of rape and assaults from which decade?

[Jordan]

Over the past four that I have been aware of him.

[Dan]

Maybe a few. I'm not. I'm not sure on all the dates.

[Alex Jones]

Y.

[Dan]

Of everything. But yeah, he's. He's facing a trial. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Good.

[Dan]

And that makes it a little uncomfortable when Alex starts talking quite a bit about what a womanizer he was and how women would throw panties at him and calls him a lady slayer.

[Jordan]

Come on.

[Alex Jones]

This is your story is for everybody. Because I can look in your eyes and I have the Holy Spirit discernment. And I see your works bring people to Christ. A lot of people say, oh, this guy was, you know. And by the way, I'm not. Not. Not as big a, you know, lady slayer as this guy, but I was no slouch. The point is, the whole Bible in.

[Russell Brand]

History don't call it a lady slayer when I've got to face a rape trial.

[Alex Jones]

You know what I mean?

[Jordan]

Hilarious.

[Russell Brand]

There were no slayings. Don't quanish Seduction, eloquence.

[Alex Jones]

I get it. I get it.

[Russell Brand]

All things.

[Alex Jones]

I love Alex, man, they're turning frogs gay. I was running away here earlier, a frog touched me on the ass. Now it was consensual. I'm not saying it's not consensual.

[Jordan]

I'm not having it anymore.

[Dan]

That feels like panic.

[Jordan]

Yeah, what are we doing with that one, buddy?

[Dan]

So you get a pretty clear sense that Russell doesn't take the allegations against him very seriously and doesn't have much respect for the conversation around it. This checks out given that earlier this year he showed up to plead not guilty to the charges wearing a coat and vest with no undershirt. Cool. It's an interesting situation that he's gotten himself into where he needs to pretend to be this vessel of light and subscribe to this transcendent Christianity. But he also can't give an inch of compassion or decency on this front without the audience he's pandered to thinking he's a wuss. Of all the side characters that come up around Alex, Russell's the one that feels least in control of his own brand. Underneath the fast talking and bullshit New Agey speak, it feels like he knows that he's only one or two wrong moves away from alienating the last audience that he's ever going to be able to attract. Yeah, he feels like a guy who's desperately trying to convince himself this isn't the bottom of the barrel while sitting in like deep in an empty barrel with Alex.

[Jordan]

This is the bottom of the barrel doing a bad Alex impression with no joke to it. I mean, that was, that was.

[Dan]

Talk about my rape trial.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you were supposed to be a comic at one point, right? You should at least have some chops. And instead this is just panic screaming because, hey, don't talk about how I fucking am a rapist.

[Dan]

Called me a lady slayer.

[Jordan]

Don't call me a rapist.

[Dan]

So they, they jump off this subject naturally and get onto the story of the old man who Alex magically talked to. And I would like this story.

[Jordan]

I would like this old man story.

[Dan]

Unfortunately, might not be true.

[Alex Jones]

And then I'm going out to Tucker show like eight months ago in Boca Grande, and I get dropped off by the driver just to pick me up, you know, at the airport, 50 miles away. And I. And I just walk in where I'm at this little hotel and this old man comes up and he says, you know, Russell Brand goes, oh, Alex, I love you, blah, blah, I'm a Catholic, blah, blah, let me Give you a, you know, rosary thing and all this. He goes, you know, I was here a few years ago when he had his conversion and he was not having a breakdown, like a spiritual experience out on the water in his clothes. And I just felt led by God to go to him and talk to him about Christ and God. And then he. He accepted Christ right there. I don't think the old man was lying. I don't think anybody knows the story. Maybe it was made up. But. But I, but then I talked to locals and I talked to Tucker and he'd heard about it from them. That actually happened. So was that a true story?

[Russell Brand]

I don't remember being in the water in my clothes, but it's the sort of thing I might have done.

[Dan]

Okay, so in religious circles, what Alex is doing is super rude.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Your conversion to Christ is your story. It's your testimony of how the Lord moved in you. And it is deeply personal. It's something that's happening inside you. So for Alex to tell this story without Russell's consent, not knowing if it's even true, is really offensive. Alex' creating this very standard, seeing the light type of scene for Russell to sign off on. And by doing so, he's putting Russell in the position of having to adopt this as the moment that he found God. Or to say that this guy Alex was talking to was full of shit.

[Jordan]

Yep, not a good position.

[Dan]

If he chooses the first one, then Alex is now dictating his relationship with God if he chooses the second. It seriously calls into question how easily Alex will just believe random gossip. There's no good response for, for Russell to what Alex is doing, but the choice he makes is actually a third worst path. The moment you accept Christ into your heart is supposed to be the most important moment of your life. So the way that Russell says, well, it sounds like something I might do is kind of trivializing the divine.

[Jordan]

I mean, let's be honest, I've accepted Christ into my heart pretty much at the beginning of every rape trial. So I don't know if you know me. I'm a lady slayer.

[Dan]

I'm a little crazy. I might have been out there in the water talking to this old man for a couple hours and finding God. My, you know, it happens all the time.

[Jordan]

It's just one of the easiest things to do in terms of, like, the sleight of hand, of being like, yeah, an old man told me the story. You tell me the story and then you just confirm that the old man said that. Right. That's just the quick sleight of hand. I know, I saw it coming. You tell the story because it's your personal story and then we can all share in this and. But also, I'm a genius. I knew it in advance.

[Dan]

Yeah. If. If Alex had just let Russell tell his story, he could add details and like association himself instead of what is very uncomfortable and not a cool thing to do to somebody.

[Jordan]

I met a stranger and they told me they helped you find God. That sounded true to me, so I believed it.

[Dan]

I met this old man who saved your soul.

[Jordan]

Now you're here and I'm telling it to you.

[Dan]

Weird.

[Jordan]

Wild.

[Dan]

So Alex, he's stuck on this old man because of course he's got to.

[Jordan]

Fixate on the worst thing.

[Dan]

Russell's just shut up about the old man.

[Alex Jones]

So did you have your main conversion on Boca Grande or something?

[Russell Brand]

What happened was.

[Jordan]

Is.

[Russell Brand]

Look, I can understand why people would be cynical about anything. Look at the world that we occupy. What information can you trust? Like we went.

[Alex Jones]

The old man said you were. He started talking three hours. Old man?

[Russell Brand]

The old man. Like this old man. I don't know about this old man, but what I can tell you is my coming to Christ for me was like the inevitable discovery of someone that has always been there. Always been there, present. And initially, Alex, the reason, as I.

[Alex Jones]

Said that, was like discovering yourself.

[Russell Brand]

Yeah. Because it's the deep truth within you. Like all of us are familiar with a second voice in our head that sometimes self condemnatory, that tells you you're not good enough, that you're worthless. Many of us are trapped in a constant inner dialogue with kind of.

[Alex Jones]

That's why Satan's called the accuser.

[Russell Brand]

Well, I wonder if it's demonic. I do.

[Alex Jones]

The devil tells you you're not.

[Jordan]

No, it is good.

[Russell Brand]

I. I hear you, man.

[Dan]

I hear you, man.

[Alex Jones]

Hey.

[Jordan]

Hey, buddy.

[Dan]

I want to say that it's normal to have varying degrees of internal dialogue in your head. It's not demons, it's thoughts. Sometimes these thoughts follow an intentional path and sometimes you have stray thoughts, but neither is a demon. When we experience higher levels of stress or life setbacks, it can be easy to feel like you're having more thoughts that are negative and that you're not in control of them. It's hard, but therapy can really help on that front. We all learn lessons in life that we don't realize we're learning. And sometimes they're wrong. We learn the wrong lesson. Like maybe we fail at something that we really wanted to succeed at and that could teach you that you're not good enough. You take away a negative lesson from the experience and you tell yourself that you're just not the kind of person who succeeds. And then this gets repeated in your brain. If you just allow these thoughts and lessons that you learn to go unexamined in your head, then you can end up falling into patterns where every time you fail, you tell yourself, of course I failed. That's what I do. And every time you succeed, you tell yourself that you didn't deserve to and it must have been an accident. Getting out of these patterns is hard and the solution isn't magical. But you can challenge the thoughts you have if you can identify them. Then when you identify them, you have to ch. You have to challenge them. And there's plenty of ways to do that. Critical analysis works by taking thoughts like I'm supposed to fail and asking why until you see that this belief is based on nothing. You could take a religious approach of confronting these things too. Where you ask, why am I not just meant to fail? And the answer is, because God loves you and he didn't make you just to fail. There you go. There isn't one right or wrong way to take care of yourself. But I do know that pretending that all this conflict in your head is the work of demons is lazy, counterproductive, and something that a fraud would want you to think. Which is what these two assholes are.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So fuck em.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's just the simplest thing to like steal from a person is their own thoughts, like to take from them. Like. Yeah, I know. Whatever you think is you, that's not you. I am telling you that it's demons outside of you. So in this transaction of our conversation, the you you think you are does not exist at all. It's just me and the demons. And you have to either do what I say or the demons. So you're gonna do what I say. Right. You're not going to think for a single second. Maybe I just think things.

[Dan]

Mm. I really resent this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like I think it's really on all the levels that like these people are just assholes and they're bad. Yeah. Like this. This kind of perpetuation of like the bad things about you are the devil. Yep. Like that, I really think robs people of the tools and the energy that they need to actually address issues.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That.

[Dan]

That really suck and are hard. They're hard to deal with.

[Jordan]

They are the process of becoming.

[Dan]

Yeah. And magic isn't gonna work.

[Jordan]

No. It's just not it's just not so Russell.

[Dan]

I think that because he used to wear leather coats and do heroin, I think he still thinks he's edgy and he considers himself an apostate of the culture.

[Jordan]

Boom.

[Russell Brand]

When Christ appears on the plane of your consciousness, when the spirit moves over the water, when the prima materia of consciousness infused with the divine, you discover that an aspect of yourself is Christ. Now, I don't mean that in a grandiose way. I'm not claiming any personal or particular access to Christ. I'm saying, in fact, that that was obscured from me most of my life. I was worshiping the culture. In fact, more interesting, perhaps, than my conversion to Christ is my apostasy against the culture that I was a priest for previously. When you're in Hollywood and you're making a bunch of money and you're having a load of sex and everyone's telling you you're fantastic, you don't realize that you're an appointed voice of the system. It becomes very obvious with someone like Yuval Noah Harari, the writer of Sapiens, who probably is a legit guy, but there's a reason that his books are Barack Obama's favorite books. Because those books are telling you you don't have a chance. You don't have a future AI has already.

[Alex Jones]

You don't have free will.

[Russell Brand]

Wow.

[Dan]

Wait, so you think you have free will?

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

So you have to be a real serious dork to think that whining about Obama liking a book by Yuval Noah Harari somehow makes you punk rock or a cultural apost state. I feel kind of bad because Russell just wasn't that great, except at one thing, and apparently there's a limited market for that thing. He popped like crazy in forgetting Sarah Marshall because he seemed like a larger than life druggie blowhard who was a perfect foil for Jason Segel's character. He was an awesome comedic punching bag because he's full of charisma, but you also kind of instinctually distrust him. This makes him a great side character, but he doesn't really have the juice to be a leading man in the movies. And unfortunately, his shtick as this bombastic weirdo kind of got old fast. Get him to the Greek was only two years after forgetting Sarah Marshall, and that speaks for how short the shelf life on this career was. He could have coasted into a very promising voiceover career, and he's been in the Despicable Me movies even after his stupid guru pivot.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

So, like, he could have just done that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But I think he thinks of himself higher than that. And my point generally here is that he's not an apostate of the culture. He was just a disposable and ultimately cheap piece of that culture in the late 2000s, early 2010s. And he seems unwilling to accept that. He just didn't have a second gear acting wise. Like, there wasn't anything to turn on. There was no like one hour photo or whatever role, prestige role, where you were gonna turn it around and be a different guy. You're you.

[Jordan]

No, he's. He doesn't have an actual substantive talent. He has a. Enough gristle for you to. To like, be caught up in. And then he's got to be gone. He's like. He's like the quintessential music man, you know, he shows up in the town, da da da, da da. And then he's got to be gone. Because if he stays for two extra days, everybody's gonna go, you're a piece of shit.

[Dan]

Well, no. And, ah, he captures an energy that you really want to be ironic.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, you. You want this person to like, actually.

[Jordan]

Be, you know what you're doing.

[Dan]

Right. You want them to, when they go about their daily life, to just be kind of like, oh, you don't actually think you're Jesus.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

But the character isn't satire. Like, the characters that he played weren't. They're kind of.

[Jordan]

I supposed to.

[Dan]

His assholishness.

[Jordan]

I reset. You know, like, culture changes. That's fine. It happens. That's cool. And. And I'm fine with, like, the things that I thought were cool no longer being cool. That's totally fine.

[Dan]

Definitely.

[Jordan]

I'm fine with all of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Totally fine. I am not fine with this transaction being no longer the same. All right? You can either be cool or you can have become a born again Christian. You cannot do both. There is no doing both. Those are the rules.

[Dan]

Yeah, right. Well, no, like, I agree with you, but if you are this person who is the born again Christian, you also think you're cool. Like, I remember those guys.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

Youth group and absolutely. You're not cool, but you think you are. And maybe you are to 12 year olds.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. Which is why you hang out with them.

[Alex Jones]

Right?

[Dan]

I don't know. I don't know. I find it sad.

[Jordan]

You know, sometimes I just wish people would be forced to diagram their own sentences in the middle of talking. Like, there should be a. Like if we should have a Challenge system, right? Where, you know, like in. In tennis before everything was automated. You could be like, I think that ball was out. My eyes are better than yours. Right. And then you challenge it, and then you'd win or lose. Right. I want to be able to interject, be like, challenge, and force him to, like, write out one of his fucking sentences and not shit his pants.

[Dan]

You would lose track of what the fucking point is.

[Jordan]

What are you talking about?

[Dan]

Where is this? Dangling claws.

[Jordan]

You just.

[Dan]

What does this mean?

[Jordan]

It's. It is so much that, like, if you just keep having that rhythm. Propel propelling, you people won't stop and go, fuck you.

[Dan]

Yeah, he's the. He's a champion of momentum. That is for damn sure the worst. So Alex is the. Like. He's one of the only free types of news man. Everyone else is controlled, Man.

[Russell Brand]

What's funny about you as well, and I think what's difficult is the media. The world of information is different now. You know, the people that used to do your job, newscasters, we now know probably water, concrete was corrupted. All those voices, all those names that you associate with truth and freedom, they were probably one way or another paid up, paid for stooges of a system. But in a moment, when we see you, beloved Alex Jones, put your methylene blue thumb to your lips to blow an imaginary trumpet, we realize the world is a different place. The fact is, is that they can't control information anymore. You were one of the first.

[Alex Jones]

The filters are gone.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's remarkable that Russell can't even give Alex a compliment about how he's an independent real truth journalist without getting in a joke about his thumb being stained blue from one of his stupid supplements in literature. This is irony. This is like legit irony.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

What Russell is saying is that influence is cheap. Now, maybe the newscasters in the old days are being controlled by the CIA and they were totally corrupt, but they were unaccessible. You weren't gonna be able to bribe them because they've already been bribed. But now there's an entire landscape of dipshit attention economy performers who need sponsors so badly that they'll stain their skin to sell you their worthless supplements. Russell is pretending like we've gone from a place where the was corrupt to a place where the media is legitimate. But he's actually saying that it's just become expected that media entities would be corrupt now and there's no difference.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Consider that methylene blue is something that isn't proven to do anything. But Alex started Selling because other people in his media bubble started speculating about something that RFK was seen drinking. He had a mysterious blue drink and everyone wanted to know what it was. It turned out it was this supplement. So then everyone in the right wing space started selling it, insisting that theirs was the best. It was the stuff that RFK'd drinks.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

That's literally and metaphorically what's staining Alex's thumb.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I honestly, I don't think that Russell means this to be as indicting as it is.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It's fucking damning.

[Jordan]

Right. I mean it is. It is more than a little Lady Macbeth. It's more than. You'll never be able to scrub that blue off your thumb, my man. That blue is going to stay there forever. Your little pretend trumpet, it is stained.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I wonder if like you just like it sounds more profound because he's British.

[Jordan]

Absolutely, absolutely. This is 100%. All of these things that he is saying to Alex's face are only facilitated by the fact that Alex understands one out of every ten words that he is saying. Like he's. He's no idea what is really being said to him at all.

[Dan]

Probably not.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Probably not most of it.

[Jordan]

No. I don't think. I mean half the time I don't even know what he's trying to say.

[Dan]

I would imagine that you and Russell share that. I don't. I think that there's a fair amount of speech that happens without his own. Like it's involuntary.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. There's a little bit of. Yeah, there's a little bit of that like 70s bebop. Like doop dop dip, dap dap, dap, dap. Alright, now I found the rhythm. I can keep talking again, you know. Yeah.

[Dan]

Some pathways that were burned out by the drugs before he starts taking them. So Russell, he got really famous. We all know that. We're getting Sarah Marshall.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And then he fucked a lot and he did a bunch of drug stuff.

[Jordan]

I think he did that before he got famous too.

[Dan]

But true. When he was a stand up.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

But he wasn't satisfied.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Russell Brand]

Well, our role is, as you've known a lot longer than I have done, is to be able to convert this esoteric spiritual information into a format that people can understand. People have been hurt by religion. People have been hurt by corruption in the church and within Christianity. People have been wounded and enslaved by a culture that I.

[Jordan]

So they're already weak.

[Russell Brand]

Thought could improve and approve of me. I thought that if I Became famous, I would mean something, that my life would be valuable. I did become famous. I got access to all of the things that I wanted. When I was a little boy, a tubby little boy that didn't think he was good enough. I got access to money and fame and sex and drugs and all of those things. And initially, of course, it's stimulating, but it's hollow and it's empty. But the Lord, he will let you take those journeys.

[Alex Jones]

So how much more invigorated are you now with God and being, you know, with your wife and all that? I mean, I heard you talk about Summit. I mean, is it not like infinity, but better?

[Russell Brand]

It's painful and peaceful. It's painful because the truth of it is painful. It's painful to know that the world is controlled by the evil one. It's painful to know that everything beautiful in your life is temporary and transient. On this plane, all of those things are painful but beautiful.

[Alex Jones]

The beginning of knowledge of sorrow. Guys, pull up that Bible verse. The beginning of knowledge of sorrow.

[Russell Brand]

What's that from, mate?

[Alex Jones]

I forget what the. I forget where it's at, but it's.

[Russell Brand]

Going to be Lamentations. Is it going to be Solomon? It's going to. Do you think it's going to be some Old Testament playing?

[Jordan]

Playing some good old Bible roulette? Where you think that that thing is from?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

So Russell is just saying that he was given everything he thought he wanted and he couldn't control himself and he found it all unsatisfying from there. He's made the leap at Satan. Must be running the world and trying to stop him from bringing about the return of Christ. Sure, Russell is fucking lucky that he went all those open mics and trained himself to talk really fast and make fun references in his extemporaneous speech, because if he didn't, a lot more people would realize that he's an idiot.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This scripture is interesting that they bring up because they are correct that it comes from the Old Testament, but it's telling that they don't know the book it's from Ecclesiastes. And the reason that this is important is because this book is entirely about Russell's story. If he doesn't know Ecclesiastes, he doesn't know the Bible at all. The text is ascribed to a ruler named Qohelet, who begins the book by lamenting that everything is meaningless because nothing lasts. Chapter two, verse one through three says, I said to myself, come now, I will test you with pleasure to find out what is good. But that also proved to be meaningless. Laughter, I said, is madness. And what does pleasure accomplish? I tried cheering myself with wine and embracing folly, my mind still guiding me with wisdom. I wanted to see what was good for people to do under the heavens during the few days of their lives. The narrator of this story is literally doing what Russell is pretending his life has been about. About. He's struggling with the futility of life and seeking to find meaning in the things that everyone else finds pleasure in. By chapter nine, things have gotten a bit bleak. Go eat your food with gladness and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do. Always be clothed in white and always anoint your head with oil. Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love. All the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun. All of your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might. For in the realm of the dead, where you are going there is neither working, nor planning, nor knowledge, nor wisdom.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ, buddy. Take a vacation.

[Dan]

Yeah, he's a downer. So Kohelet essentially finds that there's no intrinsic meaning in anything from wealth to wisdom. Because we're all dying, right? The only thing that matters is honoring God through whatever actions you take and enjoying life while you're lucky enough to experience it.

[Jordan]

Kind of like that Ozymandamus guy.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a glaring red flag for Russell's whole game that he doesn't recognize this Bible verse, because if any of his shit was sincere, this is a really short book. And he would have read it a bunch of times.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because it would be like, oh, my God, I fucking feel this.

[Jordan]

Yeah, this is one of the ones. Yeah, it's. It's really funny that there aren't that many where people are like, oh, shit, this is for real, though.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, this isn't just like, oh, naming a bunch of guys who did stuff. This is like, a guy's feelings. Fuck me.

[Dan]

And they're exactly the feelings that I use to make my brand.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Where I tried all the women and the wine, and I did everything and I made great projects for myself, and all of it was all not.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, it's his whole thing.

[Russell Brand]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It is so weird how many of these. I mean, it's not weird. It's how lazy they are, but it is like. Like, you know, the book's been around for a few thousand years. For a reason. There's a lot of stuff that you can exploit in there, you know, and they don't even bother to do that.

[Dan]

Even when it's like one to one. Like, you should be wearing an Ecclesiastes hat.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. You can sell merch. You can have Ecclesiastes 6, 13 or whatever. For God. So love Steve Austin. I have a job now.

[Russell Brand]

What?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So remember earlier, Alex was saying that Katy Perry's dad said that she was worshiping the devil.

[Jordan]

She is a devil worshiper.

[Dan]

So this comes back. Back up and. Because of course it does the second time around. I don't think Russell is that into it.

[Russell Brand]

You know, you've mentioned a couple of times, Pastor Keith, Katie's father. He's a good man and she's a good person. You know, they're all good people.

[Alex Jones]

I only brought it up because he's on the air going, Russell's, I think, becoming Christian. My daughter's a devil worshiper. And I was like, okay. I just wanted the backstory.

[Russell Brand]

You sure that he said he's doing.

[Alex Jones]

You can find. He said, yo, Katie's with the devil. And Russell's.

[Jordan]

Katie's been with the devil for a few years now.

[Alex Jones]

You. I had him on like 13, 14, whatever it was years ago, saying, I think Russell's about to find Christ. So I think he kind of got the foreshadowing of it.

[Russell Brand]

It's weird, isn't it? Because if you're a clever person, if your mind works quick, you might think that you understand a bunch of stuff. But I've been so slow to understand this. I've been so slow to understand.

[Alex Jones]

He saw it. He saw it way ahead.

[Russell Brand]

Well, maybe. And what about all the people that pray for us, Alex? I know a lot of people pray for you. I know a lot of people pray for me, and I'm very, very grateful for their prayers. And in that heavenly ulterior realm connected to the ultimate reality through those channels, I've been the grateful recipient of their grace and their. They've done the Lord's work through their prayers. How much do you pray, Alex? You pray a lot, mate. Not enough. I can tell from that, mate, you're too busy selling methylene blue.

[Alex Jones]

Buy this methylene blue. It'll ungate your fraud.

[Jordan]

You suck, Boo.

[Dan]

So this is an important moment between these two dudes where Russell should be fully aware that Alex is full of shit and an unreliable narrator. Russell was married to Katy Perry for two years and obviously knows her family pretty well. Well, he knows that Katie's dad wouldn't go on some radio show and say that his daughter was worshiping the devil. Probably not. So when Alex says this Russell push pushed back on it. Alex's response is unconvincing. But Russell just lets it go because I'm sure he realizes it's not worth fighting about this. But in that moment he has to either accept that Alex is full of shit or that Alex knows his ex wife's dad better than he does. And just because it's fun, here's the actual exchange between Alex and Katy Perry's dad had when she he was on the show because of course you have september 2013 you can run on for.

[Alex Jones]

Well, we got Keith Hudson on with us looking and seeing is the book [e-mail] Katy Perry's father calls her a devil child in sermon report that was or.org excuse me, that was put out by the New York Daily News with no proof, no video. I want to give you the opportunity again here on air to explain that you didn't say that. That and then what your view overall just of rock and roll and where it's all going, Molly, Cyrus and all the rest of it. And then we're going to shift gears into overall where you think the state of the world is today. Sir? Well, Alex, that statement that came out about a month and a half, two months ago, I guess and they said that I made the statement, I called my daughter a devil child, which is not true and I would never do that. Like I said in the beginning of this talking there that my family's first has always been first, never ministry, never work. I believe we have to really realize that the only thing we do have is our family and they're most important. And I know there's a lot of things that have been put out there on me. Not a lot, but like stuff on you they put out there that you said you didn't take. But I can tell you for a fact I did not ever say there's no proof. There's nothing on video, nothing on, on the, you know, on the tapes or the.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Well, MSNBC says that I'm a deeply racist and can't show one clip of me saying anything racist. My lawyer said I could definitely win in court, but then I'd spend years probably beating him and tons of money and you know, they're so discredited. That's just the way it is.

[Dan]

But specifically, this isn't about you, man.

[Jordan]

It's ironic.

[Dan]

So Alex has entirely forgotten or just decided to lie about what this story was, the news had reported that Katie's dad had called her a devil child, and he was coming on Alex's show to attack the media and say that that wasn't true. Twelve years later, Alex has morphed this into a story where Katie's dad was coming on his show to talk about how cool Russell was and how his daughter was with the devil.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Point is, at this precise moment, Russell can no longer take Alex seriously. He 100% knows that he's a complete liar or someone who be trusted to interpret information. And the fact that he has to jump into an impression to save Alex from the how much do you pray? Question. Yeah. It tells me that Russell doesn't really care that much if it's all an act. Who cares what's sincere? Who cares?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

This is exhausting. I can't imagine wanting to be either one of these people in this scenario. There's no. There's no positive situation where this conversation exists in a. In a good way.

[Russell Brand]

Right.

[Jordan]

What they're doing is they just need to be there and have words spoken next to each other.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

And then later not be there.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And not dwell too much on the fact that Alex is a complete fucking liar lunatic who Russell would never want to associate with outside of this weird theocratic project.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And Russell is a guy who's, you know, a lot more socially like, accepting of LGBTQ people than Alex would want.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

That neither of them likes the other.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely not.

[Dan]

Fucking Russell is annoying as shit.

[Jordan]

The worst.

[Dan]

Alex is a fucking Texan, though.

[Jordan]

Worst.

[Dan]

He hates these kind of people.

[Jordan]

Listen, you don't have to be Hemingway to know that that guy can go fuck himself. Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's brutal.

[Dan]

Look, British, you're starting behind the. Like, the starting gate.

[Jordan]

If you're British and you're talking to a Texan who takes that word very seriously, you're on the downslope.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

If you're not Lord Moncton.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Then I don't know, you're.

[Jordan]

You're instinctively a villain in the story.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right. Like, that's just how that brain works.

[Dan]

Yep. So remember he asked, how much do you pray?

[Jordan]

What a memory to have to be like, okay, this guy came on to specifically tell me something, and then later on, whenever it's convenient, it doesn't matter.

[Dan]

He was there to talk shit about his daughter. Oh, wait. In reality, he there to say that he didn't talk shit about his daughter.

[Jordan]

It's like. But it's so. It's so emblematic of Course, he listens to what the New York Daily News says over the guy himself. Right?

[Dan]

No, no, Alex wasn't listening to the New York Daily News.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He was. He was allowing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like Katy Perry's dad to come on. To attack them.

[Jordan]

No, that's what I'm saying. But in his memory, that's who. That's who has the primacy.

[Dan]

I don't. I don't even think it's that. Yeah, well, I think he has just completely written over what happened.

[Jordan]

It's cooler if he hates Katy Perry.

[Dan]

In his memory, the New York Daily News reported that the dad didn't call Katy Perry a devil child.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And maybe thought that Russell Brand was no good and he was standing up against the New York Post saying that.

[Jordan]

We are in topsy turvy world. That is a good point.

[Dan]

Yeah. So we get back to the subject of how. How much you praying, bro?

[Jordan]

How much you praying? How much you pray, Mike?

[Alex Jones]

You ask. So it's. It's hard to answer.

[Dan]

Good.

[Russell Brand]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

I am constantly in prayer. Yeah.

[Jordan]

So my problem is I have to.

[Alex Jones]

Like when I have to pull out in third dimension instead of constantly. So to me, I don't verbally pray. I'm, like, constantly jacked in.

[Russell Brand]

Yeah, I know.

[Alex Jones]

It's not like a. It's not like a. Actually get ready. Like, I pray. I just say, tell me what to do.

[Jordan]

Do.

[Alex Jones]

And so it's. It's. It's. For me, it's. It's a little different than kind of people think, the conceptual idea.

[Russell Brand]

I understand. Like, I do do praying on my knees in private. I do a lot of that.

[Jordan]

Sure you do.

[Alex Jones]

Like, the body on the face is what I do.

[Russell Brand]

Oh, yeah. Hey. All right, that's cool. All right. Let's not have a prayer off. Like, your prayers are better than mine.

[Alex Jones]

Well, you said something.

[Russell Brand]

My head down.

[Alex Jones]

Like 11:58, before we went live, you said, hey, let's pray privately before we go on. And I said, let's pray publicly. You said, well, wait, Christ talking about the Pharisees praying in public. But in his specific thing, he was saying, they do it because they're corrupt. They want to act like they're good.

[Dan]

So at this point, Russell has to be totally aware of how full of shit Alex is about his faith. He's constantly in a state of prayer, and he's defensive about how performative his prayers on air are. I think all the boxes are checked.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Another point. Alex says that he's constantly in prayer, and then Russell says that he gets on his knees to pray, which is kind of an attempt to one up Alex.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Then Russell goes off on a little riff about how they don't need to out pray each other when he was the one who started it.

[Jordan]

Well, but he was a creep. But he's the one who wanted to finish it also, Right? So this is how you finish it. You finish it and then you do a double finisher on top of that.

[Dan]

That's not fair.

[Jordan]

It's not fair.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

That's the Brits for you.

[Dan]

I also like the, like, I pray on my knees when I'm in pride or need a closer at Tucker Carlson's live show.

[Jordan]

Get the fuck out of here. I just. I The. The performative faith thing to have somebody with like a. A trying to be dominant over it when both of you are so full of shit. I can't breathe.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, it's insane. And I pray the most.

[Dan]

Like, you both feel pained by how bad each other are, right? Like, you each kind of are disapproving of how transparent the other person.

[Jordan]

Oh, you PR. On your knees like a loser. Like one of those old people. I pray all the time. I'm jacked in, man. Oh, you don't pray on your knees like somebody who's just jacked in all the time.

[Dan]

I have to take out the cord to stop praying, right? Come on, man. You ask me when I'm praying. When am I not?

[Jordan]

I do recall that passage in the Bible when they were like, jesus, how do we pray? And he was like, don't pray. Get plugged in, man. You gotta get into the stuff.

[Dan]

You ever see the Matrix?

[Jordan]

You will in a couple of thousand years.

[Dan]

It's gonna be great. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I'm God, so I can see it in advance.

[Dan]

Obviously, God has lava lamps. So they start talking about some, like, news.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And fine. Apparently sandwiches in the UK have a climate rating on them, and this is tyranny.

[Jordan]

That'll get you.

[Dan]

And now they're gonna make you get rid of your dog because of the climate.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Russell Brand]

But did you see that story in my country? They started to innocuously introduce carbon scoring on, like, sandwiches or whatever.

[Alex Jones]

Or saying how your dog is bad. It has a carbon score. Wow.

[Russell Brand]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bear. The game's up. Your carbon scores too high.

[Alex Jones]

They say, get rid of your dog and cat. I don't know if you've seen that. They have TV ads in the UK.

[Russell Brand]

That kill your pets.

[Alex Jones]

Literally. A sacrifice to Molech. Maybe liberals will throw their dogs into fires or cats.

[Russell Brand]

Wow. To molec. To molech. To the false. At the altars of the false lie.

[Alex Jones]

We have total expansion. Hundreds of billions of galaxies already found. It's like it. It's a. The lie is that it's the. The resources are. That's why we're supposed to. We're supposed to exploit in a good way. All the animals want to come into the cities where we grow everything. We're. We are actually expansionist. We're amazing. We're God's terraformers.

[Jordan]

God wants to take all this dead.

[Alex Jones]

Rock and turn it green with birds and butterflies everywhere. We are the terraform warmers. We're supposed to go do that.

[Russell Brand]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

That's. Once we get loose, we're gonna make the. Oh, my God. The eyes not seen. Ears not hurt. I've seen it actually, though. It is. We're gonna turn.

[Jordan]

Don't.

[Russell Brand]

Not.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Alex Jones]

Off trillions of galaxies.

[Dan]

I love that the ear has not heard. The eye has not.

[Jordan]

I mean, except for me, obviously. Man, these guys suck. These guys just suck. Everything has to be a weird. Like, I'm the best all the time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Nobody is able to speak a concise sentence. Nobody has a clear point of them want to be there. They have nothing worth hearing in the first place.

[Dan]

Now, I think that the only solace that I take in this is that I really don't think that Russell enjoys this that much.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

But it's his energy that is bringing this out of Alex.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Where he's like, we're God's terraformers.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Hey, let's get heady.

[Alex Jones]

You're a weirdo.

[Dan]

You used to heroin.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And I think him being subjected to that is kind of funny. Him having to put up with it.

[Jordan]

It's like both of them are trying to take each other to the place they want to go the least. How about your pride, mate? Actually, we're going to space.

[Dan]

Scratch the little itch of the part of your brand that's totally bullshit.

[Jordan]

Right. Like, what do we do? Just.

[Dan]

Can I poke at your religiosity? Can I talk about how we're aliens?

[Jordan]

Take a picture together and then, like, read books back and forth. Just pretend to have a conversation. Don't do this.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

This is the worst.

[Dan]

It would be good if they had some kind of producer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, like, there could be. This could stand a little structure.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because it's a lot of meaningless all over the place. Who gives a shit?

[Jordan]

I have a series of 10 questions to ask you that will keep us onto some sort of topic and will keep you from talking to me too much.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think the influence of Rogan is corrosive.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's no good.

[Dan]

So biological life.

[Jordan]

What about it?

[Dan]

It's from God.

[Jordan]

That doesn't sound true.

[Dan]

Silicon life.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's the devil.

[Jordan]

That doesn't sound possible.

[Dan]

Because it can be programmed.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And then our DNA is a laser.

[Jordan]

That makes sense.

[Russell Brand]

What has to go then the head.

[Alex Jones]

Of the biological life is from God.

[Russell Brand]

Yes.

[Alex Jones]

Silicon is from Satan.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Russell Brand]

Oh, that's cool. That's cool.

[Jordan]

Men are from Mars.

[Russell Brand]

Get on this then, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

It's programmed so you can program the that. But biological life is self sufficient. It goes forever and it builds a debt. It's perfect.

[Russell Brand]

What? Yes.

[Alex Jones]

And people think it's slow compared to computers. No, it's not. Our. Our ancient answers, wherever they began. We flesh through our genetics literally touched the last woman. The mask man. The last woman. Last man. All the way back. It's a. It's a. It's a power line. It's a. It's a. It's a time traveling machine for our genetics and this message. So we look at this as slow like you have this life. That's the pleasure of even the space time continuum. We have wives and husbands and all this fun and sunsets and everything while we're really carrying forward sunsets into the universe. This key transmission. So even being the like. Like this laser beam God fires out all the knowledge is like trillions of people and all these pleasures and all these great things while we're on board. God's laser beam is full of all these experiences. All this art, all this music, all this culture. And all it is, is a laser beautiful link to the next level. Think about that. Even the think about link. In fact that's all we are. We're a laser link.

[Jordan]

That makes sense.

[Alex Jones]

A simple term people understand.

[Russell Brand]

I love it.

[Dan]

I love it.

[Jordan]

I love it. Hey, no notes. Makes perfect sense.

[Dan]

Love it.

[Jordan]

Don't change a word. Everything is very clear. I will never think you're cool.

[Dan]

The moose that walk the plane now are connected to the very first moose.

[Jordan]

That's okay.

[Dan]

Genetic code is a laser beam through moose.

[Jordan]

Love it.

[Dan]

So fucking like. I just. I have to take pleasure in feeling annoyance.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because I think Russell's got to be annoyed.

[Jordan]

Oh, this is the worst. This is the worst. I mean I appreciate it. Now that we're. You've. You've gone the wrong direction.

[Dan]

Yeah, I know.

[Jordan]

I'm genuinely enjoying Russell Brand be bummed out by this. This is great. For me?

[Dan]

Yeah. It's not, it's not. It's not quite the same. Same superpower.

[Jordan]

No. I'm hoping he gets superpowers from this.

[Dan]

He doesn't. He just ends up praying.

[Jordan]

Of course. Why would I have ever guessed anything else?

[Dan]

So I got a philosophical and theological question to put on. You sure. Can God sin?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Right, yeah. No, it's pretty obvious.

[Jordan]

No, that's a very simple question. It's kind of his whole fucking thing really if you stop and think about it.

[Dan]

You're right.

[Jordan]

That's his main computer complete.

[Dan]

Apparently he has one sin though.

[Jordan]

That doesn't sound true.

[Dan]

Nope, sure doesn't.

[Alex Jones]

We're the aliens. I mean, let's just be 100% clear. And so our species is put here by God. And God's like. And there's also this species, but it's really just your tester. You're way more advanced. You're an embryonic form. So my only sin. You could say God's only sin. I just say this against God. You'll see it in the Bible. But God's only guilt. God is a guilty for it. God explains the this always say you're God's sadist. He allows all this pain. He allows us. Well, God, he. When I have children, I have four. They will be born, they will die. I know they're eternal. They can become bank robbers or murderers, whatever. But I still did it because I love them. It's a process. We are God's children. So if you look at God and say, how dare you create me for the potential for pain, you're asking that you never had consciousness.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alex Jones]

And so the only question God ever had was, was I'm omnipresent, sentient, all powerful being. Do I create more potentials of what I've done? And that's why we're called little G in the first book of the Bible. Because it's true. Look, in our embryonic form already, what we built, I mean we are, we are tadpoles, folks. We, we are powerful. We are wonderfully and frighteningly made.

[Dan]

See, this is where I get some hope because I think that Alex is saying that we have superpowers.

[Jordan]

I think something along those lines, yes.

[Dan]

And so if we're on a quest to get you superpowers.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

This is affirming, right?

[Jordan]

No, I think says that some people believe it's possible. Maybe not the best people to believe it's possible, but there are some people who believe. Absolutely sure.

[Dan]

Galileo was mocked in his time, right?

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Oh my God. See, see, you can't. God has kids. You can't have kids.

[Dan]

Is it a sin to have kids?

[Jordan]

I mean, I genuinely don't know anymore. What are you saying?

[Dan]

The problem of pain.

[Jordan]

Just that fucking man.

[Dan]

God gave us free will and that maybe was his only sin. So dumb.

[Jordan]

I think people have a. Have a problem in general with banning things. You know, like there's. There's this idea that if you ban things, things, they will be banned as opposed to just like you'll make them more annoying to get. Right. I think we just need to have places for things like this conversation needs to exist in a basement with plenty of weed that is like closed off. So you're hot boxing.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It shouldn't be broadcast to anywhere else.

[Dan]

Yeah. Or, you know, or a church that's under investigation.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. 100%.

[Dan]

Either a weed basement or a suspicious church.

[Jordan]

There is. There is an infiltrator within this church.

[Alex Jones]

So you don't have to need to.

[Jordan]

Worry about it too much later on.

[Dan]

There's a snitch and it's both of.

[Alex Jones]

Them.

[Jordan]

Because they don't believe any of this. Why are we talking?

[Dan]

I think Alex might be also, like, there's a chance he's a little bit back in the sauce. Like he has a little bit of his drunk energy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he does.

[Dan]

But why wouldn't you if Russell Brand's coming around?

[Jordan]

I think he's trying to impress Russell. I think he wants. Look who can still drink. I think he's. I think some.

[Dan]

So.

[Jordan]

I genuinely think so.

[Dan]

Oh, God, it's brutal. So anyway, God has a plan. It's in our DNA. And yeah, it's. We.

[Jordan]

I guess we also still have free will.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Okay. Yes. Wait.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

No. Oh, we have to just keep fucking and making more people. That makes sense. That is the transmission from God through our DNA.

[Jordan]

What a weird transmission.

[Russell Brand]

There couldn't really be consciousness at all if you want an automaton. Isn't it curious still that the global imperialist order wants to create this kind of endless automation? What is Bill Gates trying to achieve, Alex? What's Bill Gates doing?

[Alex Jones]

Total war against God's plan. God says you have free will, but it's like an embryo when the zygote forms. It's a plan. And it will. It will be perfect. But if you attack it, sin means death. It will derail the plan. It's very simple. Within God's plan, you're not a slave. Like under Satan, you get all this free will and all these powers that increase as you Go up. But you have to first be tested before you're given the great power. And so it's a blueprint, it's a diagram, it's total success. It is architecture. But you have to. You just, you just can't. You just can't hand this. God could create creatures that he claims every will take a breath twisted to make sure they make the right decision. God has to then give you the. The will. And then Satan is an agent of God. Satan. God didn't turn Satan against God, but God knew Satan would do that.

[Jordan]

What are we doing?

[Alex Jones]

So, yes, that's God's sin. If you want to say there's a sin. Sin is it. God allowed the devil to do this, but it is the tester, as anybody knows. You raise kids and don't make them work and do their own business. They're going to be spoiled rotten brats or devils.

[Jordan]

What.

[Alex Jones]

So the experience we have, little G, little God compared to the great God is the same experience. We go, oh, absolutely. We have kids, we love them, we're supposed to do it. We're supposed to raise them right and, and. But then they could go wrong. And God's like, exactly.

[Russell Brand]

Also Alex, though, he gave us the law. He gave us the law. Here is the law.

[Alex Jones]

He gives us a cheat sheet.

[Jordan]

He doesn't give us free will.

[Alex Jones]

He tells us what's coming around Revelation. He tells us in Ezekiel. He tells us in Daniel. He goes, exactly. He goes, you got a test. But God's so good. He goes, here's a cheat sheet, sweetheart.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Remember when this show was like, about Alex complaining about OSHA and like, trying to reaffirm the 10th Amendment and states rights and stuff?

[Jordan]

States send letters reaffirming. They still follow those amendments.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

They're like, yo, three still up top.

[Alex Jones]

There's magic in your DNA.

[Jordan]

Three is number one.

[Dan]

We need to have the state houses get together and reaffirm that there's magic in your DNA.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Wow.

[Dan]

We've come a long ways.

[Jordan]

I, I miss the days whenever you could have. You know, because like, religion is now very splintered. Back in the day, there was just the big ones. Right. And then. And they had way too much power to the point where you could just be a, like a regular old priest at a regular old church and somebody would say some shit like this to you and you would listen to it and you wouldn't understand it, but at the end of it, you go, sounds blasphemous. And that would be gone.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, no one can talk to You. Goodbye.

[Jordan]

Yes, absolutely. That doesn't sound cool. So I'm gonna get you out of here.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that. Look, obviously, I think excommunication, that kind of stuff is bad. Sure. But the alternative. And the opposite side is bad, too.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Which is like. I think people who are Christians would probably listen to stuff like this and be like, I don't connect with any of this. This is nonsense. The fuck are you talking about? And when we. When we resist any categorization, it allows someone who has the kind of beliefs of Alex and Russell to gain the power of. Of the name Christian Y. And I think that that's irresponsible, too.

[Jordan]

That's exactly it. That is exactly it. When you are allowed to represent Christianity like this, you are saying that it's okay for this to be what Christianity is.

[Dan]

Yeah. And you're stealing the, like, masses of followers of something that is not what you believe. But you're like, look how many Christians there are.

[Alex Jones]

Are.

[Dan]

And you imagine. You pretend that it's like people believe the same shit you do. It's not.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's putting a fucking Chris Christ on top of esoteric bullshit.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. It's whatever. Who cares?

[Jordan]

What you gonna do?

[Dan]

Yeah. So, Russell.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, it's a pleasant enough conversation.

[Jordan]

I understand that.

[Dan]

Yeah. But I really do get the feeling that he does not really like Alex that much. And vice versa. Versa. And it's sometimes hard to hide.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Russell Brand]

Because you have this extraordinary imagination and capacity for information, and you range intergalactically and cosmologically. Alex, you know, you move from methylene blue to interdimensional war, which I suppose is what the Smurfs and Gargamel are doing. Maybe, by the way, is methylene blue. Smurf blood.

[Alex Jones]

Let's stop. Tell us the truth. Tell us the truth.

[Russell Brand]

Fauci is Mephilene Blue.

[Alex Jones]

It's Smurf blood. They got Gargamel in there.

[Jordan]

Hold on.

[Alex Jones]

He's got Pupper Smurf. He's got Pupper Smurf's nuts. I want to see G squeezing them nuts. And that's methylene blue. And I'm angry about it.

[Jordan]

Look, I just want to say you.

[Alex Jones]

Said you were going to take it.

[Russell Brand]

All right, I'll drink it.

[Alex Jones]

Give me. I want to see how it hits you before the show ends. Go ahead.

[Russell Brand]

Listen, this. I'm going to treat the rest of this interview as a contest between me and you. Who can say the craziest stuff, who can drink the craziest substances? That is his this is war now, Jones.

[Dan]

I mean, I just think. I think there is a disrespect. Yeah. That's implicit in all of this. And why wouldn't there be? Yeah. Started off super disrespectfully on Alex's part.

[Jordan]

There is. There's an inherent disrespect the moment you do an impression of another person.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like in any power situation where somebody has more power than you and you do an impression of them, that's not going to go well.

[Dan]

Even when there's not.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Even when there's not. It's usually just rude in, like, a regular way. I'm Jordan.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's not cool. That's kind of mean to me. I didn't. I don't know why you did that.

[Dan]

Because I've been rude.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. So if you're going up to somebody's face and choosing the one thing about them that has made them a fucking joke on the Internet for decades.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And then yelling it in their voice at them without a riff. There's no riff here.

[Dan]

Well, no, there is.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It's insulting his business strategy and how he overhypes these products. And, like, that is the riff that is the joke. Right. And it's just a joke that can't be taken seriously or even humorously in the context of Alex's show.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Because it unfortunately penetrates exactly what the show is.

[Jordan]

We have to do a completely different show if we follow this riff the way it's supposed to go.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I mean, look, I. You know, whenever I say stupid shit in Alex's voice, I don't do it because it's an homage. No. When I will put on an Alex.

[Jordan]

Voice at any and all times. Every human being putting on an Alex voice is in some way making fun of other. Each him for what he is.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't think there's a ha. I just thought of Gavin McGinnis arguing that blackface was reverent.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that.

[Dan]

There is no reverent Alex impression. No. It's always insulting.

[Jordan]

No, nobody's. Nobody's, like, doing Dueling Carson's, like, oh, this is. Remember whenever comedy used to be great. This is not the same thing.

[Dan]

So this clip is not connected to much, but it's a little piece of lore that we need. So this is just for the future.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

You know, my dad digging it.

[Russell Brand]

I got methyl and blowing my hand.

[Alex Jones]

My dad digging it. Smoke of the Beast, my dad. I've told this forever. They always have this. A secret. Oh, we found this out. No, My dad got recruited into M Kilter.

[Russell Brand]

Oh yeah, no, I've heard you say that before. Look, I want to just ask, but he didn't know.

[Alex Jones]

He thought he was joining NASA. But that's reason. I know.

[Russell Brand]

Alex, I've got a series of questions.

[Dan]

You can't be taking someone seriously if that's your response to my dad was an MK Ultra but he thought he was in Nasty.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I heard you. I heard you say that before. Anyways, moving on. Yeah, that's it. That would be very interesting if for any moment I thought it was true. Yeah, even a little bit.

[Dan]

If for a second I thought there was any dignity in taking you seriously, I would have a follow up question.

[Jordan]

There have been like 100 documentaries on MK Ultra. There have been like a thousand books on MK Ultra. There have been documents upon documents upon documents. I understand that the ones that the CIA destroyed no longer exist, but I doubt they were purely about David Jones.

[Dan]

They were all about.

[Jordan]

They were all David Jones related. Those are the only documents the CIA managed to get rid of.

[Dan]

Fine, perfect cover up.

[Jordan]

That's. I mean, obviously there's no way that anybody ever thought to talk to this guy before.

[Dan]

Never.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

He's very private.

[Jordan]

Yep. Absolutely. He only has a son who's got one of the loudest fucking bullshit shows on the world.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like if he was like involved in MK ULTRA and all this stuff, like ask some questions about your dad, start to start to dig in there.

[Jordan]

I mean, come on.

[Dan]

Anyway, you know, there's a lot of. There's a lot of talk in the world about people being paid by governments in order to push propaganda, naturally, and what have you. Right. And Russell is like, no one's ever given me any money.

[Russell Brand]

I've never been offered anything of you. I've never had anyone like from Mossad or any deep state agency say to me, we'll give you $10 million.

[Alex Jones]

That's because you've been assessed, Russell. Yes.

[Russell Brand]

I'm too crazy. You're too crazy Crazy.

[Alex Jones]

I have been on.

[Jordan]

I didn't say that.

[Alex Jones]

Oh yeah, but, but even though they said, well, we did the assessments, we don't think you're going to take it, but you know you're going to be destroyed if you don't. I tell you some of the stories if you want.

[Russell Brand]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Jones]

They were off the record meetings. But the point is, is that I can tell you the general stuff. It's 100 real.

[Dan]

Hey dipshit, no one buys it. We're all, we're Sitting here in the room and you have, like, Alex has lost confidence in his own thing here. You can feel the energy leave his body.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

When. When Russell's like, I haven't been offered money. Oh, you've been assessed. Oh, so you've been assessed too? No, no, they assessed me and they said they. They'd still give me money, but they knew I wasn't gonna take it and then I would be destroyed anyway. Do you wanna hear the stories of the times that the devil talked to me and told me, though? Sure, buddy.

[Jordan]

Yep. This is the type of stuff that you would hear in third grade and you'd be like, wow, wow, you're very immature.

[Dan]

Or you're so creative.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Yeah, there's definitely some of that.

[Dan]

You've got quite an imagination on you, kid.

[Russell Brand]

You're.

[Jordan]

It's just so much over and over and over again. Like, I want you to think I'm cool. Look at all these cool things. I'm showing you all of my toys in my. In my room. Look, here's my dad. He was an MK Ultra. Isn't that cool?

[Dan]

It's so cool.

[Jordan]

Isn't that cool? No. Even the sounds that he's making are literally like that. That third grader. I'm interested in your toys.

[Dan]

They're the sounds of a person who's like, I think it's embarrassing if I just agree with you. I think. I think some people who like me would look down upon me if I had that.

[Jordan]

My social critical thinking goes down.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah, you're embarrassing. So Russell starts to talk about how he's moved to Florida. And since he's moved to Florida, he's realized that there's an attack on men. These men, they're who we need in a crisis. Right? Cause men, they shoot guns better, and they fight back better. And they're strong and they have muscles.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Right? So the globalists and the man, they're attacking men. Sure. So when the crisis comes, the men won't be able to help.

[Jordan]

Makes sense.

[Russell Brand]

Do you know what I felt like now that I live in Florida, among Floridians in the Panhandle, I started to understand that the vilification of men with protector cap is in order to ensure that they aren't given their rightful position in the forthcoming conflict, I. E. We should look to and honor those.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. The enemy attached.

[Jordan]

A lot of them are rapists.

[Russell Brand]

So if you undermine those men and talk about those men as if they're fundamentally misogynist or racist or rapist.

[Jordan]

Ah, you mean the rapist.

[Russell Brand]

You are of conflict. Recognize where your leaders are going to come from. Your leaders and your warriors.

[Jordan]

Your not from the rapists.

[Alex Jones]

The British intelligence writes it because they've studied all the world, the whole world. Germans are powerful in a war, but they're controlled by government idiots. In all the Pentagon documents and the leftist, they say, we're worried about the Scots and the Irish and then a subset, the Brits, which you know, are totally cowed in their countries. But the spirit of that which found in America the text revolution, the. In the enemy war games, they're obsessed. They said the rebellious of the Scots. The spirit of that is in America, it must be crushed in official putting on documents. They obsess over that.

[Dan]

They just obsess about the Scots.

[Jordan]

So fucking obsessed with the Scots.

[Dan]

The Scots are too rebellious.

[Jordan]

The British intelligence has studied the world right now. It just so happens they're really focused on the people in their backyard. Is that crazy?

[Dan]

But also there's a. There's a piece of this too where Alex is like, the British intelligence has studied the world and then he starts talking about the Pentagon and like the Army War College, the globalists and the leftists. What happened to the British intelligence?

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, they all over the map. They picked the Scots. And so then the Pentagon was like, well, obviously the Scots.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But then the Scots moved to Texas.

[Dan]

Yeah. So the Texas revolution.

[Jordan]

So then now the Scots stole part.

[Dan]

Of Mexico, I guess, along with the Irish.

[Jordan]

Right. Well, but I mean that we were going to give it back. Right? That was the plan.

[Dan]

Just borrowing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. That's like a ladder. Yeah.

[Dan]

So I get that Russell was trying to come in here with a misogyny, men's rights kind of anger, and Alex has now hijacked this and taken this in a pretty racist direction.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's not just that the Scots are good, it's that white people seem to be the only people capable of leadership.

[Jordan]

So strange how that works.

[Russell Brand]

So what I felt like around Florida is that these men with their trucks and their guns and their hunting and their competence and their confidence, these men are very, very important that they are honored.

[Alex Jones]

They're the only people left ready to take action. And they can. The Hispanics, the blacks, everybody into leadership. So the enemy's assessed it and they're worried about classic British Isles will.

[Dan]

Yeah. Can't imagine why MSNBC would say you're racist. Can't imagine.

[Jordan]

Crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah. Weirdest thing.

[Jordan]

There's no. You didn't even need that. You didn't need that. You could have just left the implied racism there. You didn't need to be like. And then they'll bring the blacks up, like, what are you doing?

[Dan]

Their courage will inspire the Hispanics and the blacks.

[Jordan]

What? This is the 50s.

[Dan]

These classic English isles. The only people who can take action.

[Jordan]

That did sound so tired at the end. You know, the. The English Isles.

[Dan]

Can you imagine talking to Russell for an hour? That would be exhausting.

[Jordan]

It would be so tiring.

[Dan]

Yeah. I don't. I don't fault his fatigue.

[Alex Jones]

No, I.

[Jordan]

It does feel sometimes like Russell Brand is like an emotional vampire. It just drags everything out of you.

[Dan]

That might just be the gothic, heroine y vibe. Makes you think vampire.

[Jordan]

That could be.

[Dan]

So Russell apparently saw a picture of General Patton in the infowars office.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And so he asks Alex about that. Okay. And then, weirdly, they just start praying.

[Russell Brand]

So why are you obsessed with Patton then? Why do you like General Patton? What do you think's unique about Patton? I see you got a picture of him out there, and I know that, like, why I like it about him, particularly how he was played by George C. Scott, is that if you go.

[Alex Jones]

We've taken down most of the pitchers because we've been almost shut down a few times. So I like patent, but it's kind of a few pictures they left up. I think it's a newer thing. Chase, he was a direct general, and he knew what was going on, and he was straight up, and he just said mercilessly, viciously, you made me exhaust. Your enemies were exhausted. We like that spirit.

[Russell Brand]

We like the spirit of battle, the spirit of fighting, and the spirit of fortitude. Hey, maybe we should do that prayer now, Alex, please.

[Alex Jones]

Ladies in it.

[Russell Brand]

Ah, gracious God, please, Lord, I ask to speak to you, God, as you know yourself to be, not my limited childish conceptions of what God is. Impressions painted in my mind that wants me separated from you, Lord, remove from me all which is not in your service. My vanity, my narcissism, my new.

[Jordan]

You said I was a sinner, bro.

[Russell Brand]

For love and approval, I will.

[Dan]

I will say that. Just limited exposure. He's a better prayer than Alex.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Dan]

Alex's prayers are very. They're too familiar.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

They're angry, and they usually are very clearly like, I need something, give it to me now.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, that's the benefit of having a British education, though, is you got. You do get a lot more of that. That language built up within you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he said innocuous earlier. I Don't think Alex has ever said innocuous and in his life, probably not.

[Dan]

But yeah, he goes on. It's a longish prayer. That sounds right, but yeah, it's jumping from a picture of Patton to, hey, let's do that prayer. It just feels all over the place. It feels unnecessary, too. They've already discussed whether or not they were gonna pray earlier. Like with the talk about the public thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. What are we doing here? It feels like these people want to not be here.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

But they could both not be there.

[Dan]

They have the power of money in being there.

[Jordan]

I mean, is there, is there enough money to justify spending an hour with Alex Jones? That's my question.

[Dan]

Well, again, I refer you back to earlier when I was saying that Russell seems very desperate to not admit that this is the bottom of the barrel.

[Jordan]

That's a good point.

[Dan]

So, yeah, maybe it is worth it to spend a little time with Alex.

[Jordan]

I mean, he's living in Florida, so he's probably used to this kind of conversation. Sensational speed.

[Dan]

Yeah, probably. Yeah. So they start talking a bit about Trump and Russell is insane. He seems to think that Trump is like a King David type figure.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

Which is just. Just nuts.

[Alex Jones]

Your review of the Trump administration the last 11 months in office or 10 months in office, your positive points, your negative points, and what you see the enemy's going to throw at us.

[Russell Brand]

Don't you feel like Trump, in a sense, is a creature created by America's imagination? The America of the 80s with all of its entreprene entrepreneurialism. If America was to create its own.

[Alex Jones]

Perfect king and ghost of America's greatness.

[Russell Brand]

A ghost of America's greatness. A beautiful way of putting it. Of course he flew around in a plane with his own name on it. Of course he literally drinks Diet Coke and eats McDonald's. That's what the American mystic would do. That's what the American anointed king, the David of America, I suppose he is in some kind of way fallen and broken, but a bolver to the systems that would have succeeded without the intervention of the mass movement.

[Dan]

Jesus Christ.

[Russell Brand]

Of course I am noticing as.

[Jordan]

Shut up.

[Russell Brand]

That those wars are continuing. Of course I'm noticing that there appear to be interests that are supranational, that is outside of the US government and outside of the US nation. That seems undue influence on American foreign policy.

[Dan]

So obviously he's talking about a suspiciousness about Israel. Yeah, but I, I can't tell just from this interview and, you know, not knowing too much about this ding dongs, like, consistent work. Yeah. But he's. He's saying, I'm noticing these things. Right. And you know, a lot of anti.

[Jordan]

Noticing is the noticing.

[Dan]

Well, but that is a code that a lot of people use. But at the same time, it's also a normal word which they noticing. Which is the problem with, you know, dog whistle type stuff.

[Jordan]

Well, it's why. That's why it works.

[Dan]

Exactly. So I would be remiss if I didn't say that's mighty suspicious. Right. But at the same time, it could be a coincidence. And he's not expressing an anti Semitic undertone.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

It's hard to say.

[Jordan]

Here's another one. New challenge. New challenge rule. That's a foul. So you call foul. You have to immediately establish.

[Russell Brand]

Are you.

[Jordan]

Do you mean that or do you not mean that?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Got to do what you got to do.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Then we can move on with your next thought. But you can't continue unless I know for sure. Right?

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. If you wink at me, we gotta clear up. Are you winking?

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Like, what are you doing?

[Jordan]

Yeah. Did you blink poorly or did you wink at me?

[Dan]

Yeah. And I'm inclined to just go ahead and say, I don't really care. You suck. Because you're saying that Trump is King David anointed leader of America.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it makes. His point is interesting. And it's because there's this idea that, like, what image would we conjure out of our imagination?

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And yeah. Trump is a leader that would come out of the lies and cocaine of the 80s.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Like, yes. The lie of America would create Trump.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Not the real ambition and the real.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like, spirit of what? This country.

[Jordan]

We already did Bateman. We got it. We nailed it. Yeah. We didn't need to watch that guy become king.

[Dan]

No. But we are.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's a problem.

[Dan]

And they think he's King David.

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, I always remember that. So I remember that story and I remember thinking, like, man, that guy must not have gone to heaven. Right.

[Dan]

About Patrick Bateman.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. So King David, he's like, he's like sending. He's like sending that guy, and he's like, hey, go fight in that war. And then he go. That guy's wife.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

And then that guy dies. And they don't really feel bad. Bad about it. And then later on, God's like. God's like, that guy's super cool. Love that guy. Right. So the guy who died in the war, that he didn't need to fight. He probably couldn't have gone to heaven. Right? Because if God is like looking down at David like, that guy's fucking great. You're like looking over a guy being like, that guy fucking, he fucked my wife.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, he murdered me and then fucked my wife.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

Right. So God can't be cool with that guy. That guy's got to be in hell.

[Dan]

But you don't know that he's all that mad. That's small minded of you.

[Jordan]

I. That's fair.

[Dan]

Maybe that guy's like, he fucked my wife. But I get it. He's great. He's a great leader.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, I get it, I get it. Maybe he's got that kind of long term thinking.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't remember from the story what his take on it was.

[Jordan]

I don't think he gets a take.

[Dan]

I think that if you are God, Yeah. And you're in a situation where it's like, I fucking love this guy, but he.

[Jordan]

He's.

[Dan]

He sent that guy to die and he banged his wife.

[Jordan]

He's like the Russell brand of guys.

[Dan]

I would just be like, that guy gets into heaven, we get him a pass. Like, we just got to smooth this one over.

[Jordan]

Like, let him in. Like, okay, so. So maybe the guy is a real piece of shit. Right. And God was all ready to be like, I'm gonna get rid of your ass. Oh, David, you gotta let this guy in.

[Dan]

Yeah. Grease the wheel.

[Jordan]

David fucked up. It's. Yeah.

[Dan]

That we're covering up for David.

[Jordan]

It's like a Nepo baby thing. We gotta, we gotta give this guy. We got a. Blackmail, maybe.

[Dan]

Yeah. Anyway, I think Russell's stupid.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex has some thoughts about what's going on with the Trump administration vis a vis the government shutdown and what have you.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And he just directly lies.

[Russell Brand]

I feel that we will experience successive crises until the institutions that benefit from crisis are dismantled. They include global bureaucracies that are unelected, deep state interests, but also powerful corporate and commercial interests. All of them, as you've described articulately, beautifully and passionately for many years, are interwoven and interconnected, and they're deeply robust and potent. You won't get a better example, other than on Alex Jones on Infowars, than that speech from Network. That is how power operates.

[Alex Jones]

I remember General Parton, head of our first weapons development, told me 30 years ago, when they cut off SNAP, you know, they're doing the uprising. And now the Supreme Court just blocked Trump trying to turn SNAP back on.

[Russell Brand]

SNAP is the food.

[Dan]

SNAP is the food.

[Jordan]

SNAP is the food.

[Dan]

So Alex is an absolute unrepentant liar. He knows fully well that the Trump administration's been attacking SNAP benefits and actually has filed suit to get states to repay for benefits that they distributed. Alex knows how severe of a situation this is and that a lot of his audience is probably impacted directly by SNAP being frozen. So it isn't something he can just ignore. The reality of the assistance programs being taken away is going to be a real wake up call for a lot of these people and it's going to make a lot of them very mad or dead. The only way to play this is to say that Trump was trying to save SNAP payments, but the evil globalists won't let him pay it out. It's the direct opposite of reality and it runs counter to Trump's underlying political ideology. But taking away vulnerable people's access to food is such a transparently monstrous thing to do that Alex has to make this up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like he can't justify this on any level. Yeah. It's all like mental masturbation when you're talking about cutting government excess.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And talking about the red tape and trim the fat and what have you. But when people are left to starve. Yeah. That's not abstract anymore. This is quite real. It's the end result of what you want and the politics that you support.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So fucking own it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. That's just one of those ones that it's like, if it is the fault of everybody that it's on the table. Right. Like in the same way that abortion is not just like losing abortion is not just the fault of the people who like got rid of it. It's the fault of people who didn't codify. Shouldn't be on the table at all.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

It should be off the table. If it's on the table, then it's there to use. So if you're using food, you're not good guy. You know, giving it out or taking it away is not making you the good guy. You should remove it from the table.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's the problem.

[Dan]

And that's, that's honestly, I think what, what we need to just make as like a cornerstone food everybody eats.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep.

[Dan]

Like the unnegotiable.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Nothing like, no, go fuck yourself. I don't care. Right wing, left wing. I don't give a fuck about any of that stuff.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

People got to eat.

[Jordan]

Yep. Everybody eats. And then we can people the food. There's no like argument about oh, how can we compromise on who gets the most? Nope. Everybody eats.

[Dan]

But my DNA is magical and it's a transmission from God.

[Jordan]

Don't care. We can argue about tax percentage or whatever the you want, but everybody eats. Yeah. Yep.

[Dan]

That would be nice.

[Jordan]

It would be nice.

[Dan]

So I. I have recently taken to nature. Sure. I've gone to the woods.

[Jordan]

Do you enjoy it?

[Dan]

And I hate to say this, but this is a place where Alex and I agree that nature is kind of like a drug and that it is restorative and it really. It makes you feel good.

[Jordan]

We're animals. We're animals. We need to connect with our lives.

[Dan]

So I'm going to agree with Alex for a little bit here. And then I'm going to say something very insulting.

[Alex Jones]

Well, nature's a drug. Everybody knows it on some secret. But anytime I really get depressed, if I do, I just go swimming and hiking and just rolling around the grass and I'm just energized.

[Russell Brand]

You roll around in grass. I'd really like to come across you one day, you know, Meadow, Alex. I'd like to be going for a dog walk and find Alex Jones rolling around in grass. That's what I'd like.

[Alex Jones]

I'm refreshing myself. There's precious ions in here. There's electrolytes in the soil.

[Russell Brand]

It's filling me up.

[Alex Jones]

There's nothing like hocking in the middle of nowhere and just walking into a lake.

[Dan]

Hey, how about you keep walking into that lake with a heavy coat on. Just keep walking.

[Jordan]

You just keep on going. Just walk down.

[Dan]

What a perfect thing. Serene. Just keep walking down that lake.

[Jordan]

I mean, I know it's hard to walk with cement shoes, but if you just get all the way in there, I think I'll be fine with the results.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Couldn't. Couldn't think of a better, better, more calm place for you to drown in the middle of the fucking woods.

[Jordan]

At a certain point, don't you have to be like, hey, don't do that voice of me?

[Alex Jones]

Mm.

[Jordan]

That was fucking mean. That one was bullshit. That one wasn't even close to funny or anything. That was just a movie.

[Alex Jones]

Mean.

[Dan]

There's electrolytes in the dirt. Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's a mean thing you're saying to me. Yeah, you're being mean to me.

[Dan]

Well, I think it's cause they don't like each other.

[Jordan]

I know.

[Dan]

Like, now we have one more clip.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And Alex has been talking about going out and walking into a lake and how great that is.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

He took a walk. He saw this fucking heron. What a bird. So he took a picture of this bird, okay? And he wants to show the picture of the bird to Russell.

[Jordan]

So we're getting literal. I want you to think I'm cool. Here's a picture of an animal.

[Dan]

Here's a bird I saw.

[Jordan]

Here we go.

[Dan]

Now I have to think that this is a passive aggressive act, okay? But Russell starts praying again.

[Jordan]

Oh, dear Lord, get me the fuck out of this place. Jesus Christ. I'll drop the British act. This is what I said. I'm from Florida.

[Dan]

No, no. He starts praying for Alex to be forgiven about Santa Claus.

[Jordan]

Okay, well, that's mean.

[Alex Jones]

I'm just looking at these herons and all the rest of this. But the point is, I'll show you some video of this. Yeah. My point is, is that that's the drug. That's when I'm depressed. Look at that picture of a heron, I think this morning, five feet tall.

[Russell Brand]

That's a beautiful heron, man.

[Alex Jones]

Crane or crane or whatever it is.

[Russell Brand]

I think as a heron. And it's a bird of wisdom. It's a bird of wisdom. And it's a. You know, not that we believe in superstition or nothing like that, but he communicates to us through nature. He's primary creation. Yeah, that's a beautiful, beautiful heron. Heavenly Father, pray for absolution and forgiveness for Alex. You are the supreme God. You are the supreme God. Not the state, not the media, not a set of governmental interests. And we pray forgiveness for any transgressions, perceived or real, Lord, around the matter of Sandy Hook. Absolute forgiveness and atonement through your blood. I pray for the people that were affected there, for the people that lost their children. And I pray your forgiveness for your. Your son, Alex Jones, for the great work that he does and continues to do. I pray your blessing and your forgiveness.

[Jordan]

I can stop praying now?

[Dan]

What the fuck, man? I'm not supposed to be apologizing for anything, asshole. What the fuck are you doing?

[Jordan]

You bring up my rape trial, I bring up Sandy Hook. Now what? Now what? Who's got who on this one?

[Dan]

The bird of wisdom has visited you.

[Jordan]

And, Lord, I just want to. I just want to pray. I want you to give your healing hand to the syphilis that this man has. Alex Jones, I want God to heal you of your syphilis right now. My son.

[Dan]

I do think that there's something incredibly mean about that prayer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There'S. There's a passive aggression that, like, is undeniable.

[Jordan]

I mean, I understand. I get why it would Be passive aggressive. Coming from any other context, I think this is open aggression. I think this is a borderline A slap.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I can't. I can't fully.

[Jordan]

Why did you bring up Sandy Hook on me with the bird of wisdom? Exactly.

[Dan]

I saw this great heron.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no, no. Foul. I demand you explain yourself right now.

[Dan]

I don't know, man. I think that these dudes are incompatible.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

As media entities. I think their vibes are bad.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

I think their vibes individually are bad. But then mixed together, it's like chocolate on pizza or something like that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Good. I. There's some elements of this that are funny, but I also, I also recognize in hindsight that this was never going to give you superpowers. No, it's not the right kind of annoying.

[Jordan]

No, he's.

[Dan]

He's so annoying.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it's the wrong. It's the wrong vibration.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And. And there's a certain amount of satisfaction from just like a, A visceral American feeling of a. Of an idiot interrupting a British man saying nothing. That's. That's what we're here for.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

That's what God put us on America for.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, and. And I think that there is something visceral too about like, dude, you fucked up it all up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like you had, you had the life.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And you just couldn't handle it. And now you're doing this. So I think there's something. There's a shot in Freud about watching him have to talk to Alex.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And I think that that takes a lot of the edge off of whatever annoyance. Like there could be. Like he. If he just like not been himself and played his card slightly differently, he could be. Be like a go to guy for comedic movies.

[Jordan]

You're not wrong.

[Dan]

He would never be Seth Rogen.

[Jordan]

No, no. But Jonah Hill had a, like a thing he did.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know, and they just put him in that.

[Dan]

Aziz Ansari was just in that new Keanu Reeves and Seth Rogen movie and.

[Jordan]

He'S not doing something new.

[Dan]

He wrote and directed that movie also.

[Jordan]

I'll tell you, here's. Here's what it is for me and here's what I would guess it is for Alex, too, is for all the times that Russell Brand can do an Alex impression to Alex's face and say mean things. At the end of the day, Alex gets to say, you had to come here.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

You know, and that's, that's the ultimate, like, you're pathetic.

[Dan]

Well, it's, it's a double edged sword.

[Jordan]

Because I know what here is.

[Dan]

Yeah. And also if you're like you came here.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It would be easy for Russell. Just say you would have come to me if I ever asked.

[Jordan]

Sure, totally.

[Dan]

So you know it's a hollow victory to be like.

[Jordan]

Well, to be either of these guys is hollow all the time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, I guess take your victories where you can get them, right?

[Dan]

Yeah. Well, this disappoints me because I don't know what other kind of annoying we're gonna have to find.

[Jordan]

I like talking to people who are fun. And we have fun. Right? Like, I don't even understand this kind of conversation. This is not fun nor is it informative. I don't understand this conversation. I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Dear Lord, I would like to pray. I would like to pray for Jordan to understand this conversation.

[Jordan]

Don't let anybody know I'm here. I have been demolished. Let my embarrassment be completed.

[Dan]

So I. I don't know. I don't know either. I can't explain. But we'll be back. Another episode.

[Jordan]

Indeed we will.

[Dan]

Some other asshole.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

But until then. We have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledge. Fight dot com.

[Dan]

Yep. We'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Woo.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the Sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.