#1094: November 12, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight Podcast Summary

Episode: #1094: November 12, 2025
Date: November 17, 2025
Hosts: Dan and Jordan

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Dan and Jordan dissecting the November 12, 2025, broadcast of The Alex Jones Show. The central theme is Alex Jones’s fraught attempts to spin and minimize a new tranche of Jeffrey Epstein-related emails implicating Donald Trump, while grappling with his own career-long persona as an anti-corruption crusader. Dan and Jordan pull apart Alex’s real-time excuses, his unconvincing defenses, and wider cult-of-personality dynamics around Trump—even as both Jones and his guests seem aware that new, damaging revelations are inevitable.

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Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter and “Bright Spot” Segment

(00:59–05:54)

• Dan’s bright spot: Discovery of eggnog-flavored jelly beans, leading to reflection on whether he actually likes eggnog or not.
  • “Is eggnog too thick? ...I think this season I’m gonna fuck around and try out eggnog again.” —Dan (02:16–02:48)
• Jordan’s bright spot: Expresses gratitude for his wife and her mother, cleverly weaving in the show’s recurring themes of genuine emotion and comedic deflection.

2. Introduction to the Epstein-Trump Email Revelations

(07:44–09:49)

• New batch of Epstein emails is getting heavy media coverage, with claims that Trump’s name appears over 1,600 times—a figure Dan notes is misleading since most mentions are in forwarded articles, not direct correspondence.
• Major emails discussed:
  • Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell (2011): “I want you to realize that the dog that hasn’t barked is Trump...”
  • Speculation about the meaning of "the dog that hasn't barked" and its Sherlock Holmes origins.
  • Epstein to Michael Wolff (2015 & 2019): PR strategies on how Trump should handle questions about his Epstein connections; Epstein refutes Trump’s claim he was kicked out of Mar-A-Lago, writing “Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.”
• The emails are “weird and make everyone look bad,” though not definitive proof of crimes.

“These are glimpses that paint a pretty clear picture that Trump’s not someone who should be trusted in a position of power.” —Dan (13:19)

3. Alex Jones’s Defensive Spin and Double Standards

(16:22–31:44)

• Jones downplays the emails as a “nothing burger,” portraying himself as a neutral arbiter: “I simply call balls and strikes.”
• Dan and Jordan highlight Alex’s hypocrisy: He’s digging deep, making conspiratorial leaps to attack enemies (e.g., Pizzagate), but now insists on dismissal and caution when Trump is involved.
• Alex tries to seed a narrative that Trump is being protected/targeted by “the deep state” and that any seeming association is either a misunderstanding, a result of Trump being “mobbed up,” or deep state framing.
• “The Trump administration’s handling of the Epstein case has been an unmitigated disaster.”—Alex, (20:16)
• Dan speculates Jones is pre-emptively spinning emerging revelations based on “what Trump’s associates are worried are his weak points.”

4. Cover-Up Narratives and Alex’s Internal Contradictions

(33:00–37:00, 72:07–77:57)

• Alex suggests Trump had no choice but to join the Epstein cover-up when pressured by the CIA and Mossad for reasons of “national security.”
• Dan points out the absurdity of someone like Jones justifying a president’s complicity in a sex trafficking cover-up as pragmatic or even necessary:
  • “It doesn’t matter if you’ve been convinced it’s smart; you are now part of a sex trafficking cover up.” —Dan (26:24)
• “If I was the President and the CIA told me some shit, I would obviously cover it up, too, ‘cause they’ll probably kill me.”—Jordan (26:17)

5. Alex’s Real Motivation and Loyalty to Trump

(74:26–75:43)

• Dan and Jordan puzzle over why Alex doesn’t jump ship to other white nationalist politicians; they conclude Trump's unique charisma and the possibility he’d pardon Alex and allies play a big role.
• “If anyone would get his back... just out of spite... it would be Trump.” —Dan (76:03)

6. Polls, Populism and Economic Nonsense

(50:51–66:50)

• Discussion moves to polling numbers tanking for Trump.
• Guest “Mark” (a pollster) criticizes Trump’s faux-populism and absurd housing market ideas, reveals a generational split on Israel, and gives a meandering analysis about youthful rebellion manifesting as anti-Semitism online.
• Jordan and Dan call out the guest’s muddled takes, noting that “controlled detonations” of the economy and blaming youth rebellion for bigotry are unconvincing.
• Alex distances himself from Nick Fuentes’s overt racism but hosts him anyway, blurring the lines of responsibility.

7. Alex’s Attempt to Pick a Fight with Theo Von

(40:44–46:30)

• Alex fixates on why podcaster Theo Von isn't challenging Israel the "right" way, suggesting insecurity about his own fading relevance in alternative media:
  • “I singled out Theo Vaughn… you gotta pick one example.”
  • Jordan and Dan see this as a desperate plea for attention from a wider, younger audience.

8. Further Damaging Evidence and Deflection Strategies

(70:22–83:05)

• As more details about the Epstein emails are broached, Alex drifts between deflection, ad hoc theorizing, and outright invention (e.g., “Melania was mad…”).
• He falsely claims the emails exonerate Trump or prove he was opposed to Epstein’s crimes.
• Dan highlights how Alex’s arguments are designed for quick “debate” wins, not actual analysis.

9. Final Reflections: Collapse of the Alex Jones Persona

(85:04–87:22)

• Dan and Jordan note how associated Jones has become with feeble, unconvincing defenses and the collapse of his anti-elite, anti-corruption brand.
• Jordan remarks that being complicit in an Epstein cover-up should be “rock bottom,” but if Jones goes lower, “let’s dive.”

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Notable/Memorable Quotes and Moments

All times in MM:SS format.

• Dan, re: the context of “dog that hasn’t barked” email:
  “That expression’s from detective stories... In the context of Epstein’s email, you could look at this a number of different ways.” (09:49)
• Jordan, on conspiracy movement double standards:
  “Why not just get rid of everybody who knew Epstein in the government? ... We can replace them. There’s so many of us.” (31:44)
• Alex Jones, defending Trump:
  “We have all the victims saying he never touched them. He’s the guy that blew the whistle on Epstein on record...” (21:27)
• Dan, on Alex’s motivations:
  “If he goes to jail, Trump will probably get him out of jail. He pardoned Roger. ... That’s why you want a corrupt president.” (75:04)
• Alex Jones, caught in existential crisis:
  "Should I even defend Trump on this?...He’s not involved with these underage girls. (long pause) Days of evidence to even cover. And the new stuff they brought out, it’s exculpatory." (72:27–73:08)
• Jordan, on Alex’s lowest point:
  “Once you’ve reached what should be rock-paper-bottom, licking the boots of an Epstein cover-up, that feels rock bottomy.” (86:37)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Alex Jones/Imitation opening snippets: 00:04–00:49
• Bright Spots: 01:08–05:11
• Introduction to Epstein email revelations: 07:44–13:42
• Alex’s first reactions (“nothing burger” defense): 16:22–18:50
• Deep-dive on cover-up rationalizations: 24:25–27:10
• Theo Von segment: 40:44–46:30
• Rasmussen pollster interview / generational analysis: 53:05–66:50
• Nick Fuentes and “youth rebellion” discourse: 64:21–66:50
• Alex’s existential crisis over defending Trump: 72:07–73:41, 74:26–77:57
• End-of-show collapse/summary: 85:04–87:22

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Episode Tone and Takeaways

Dan and Jordan maintain their usual sardonic, analytical tone—moving from banter and personal asides to pointed, well-informed critiques of Jones’s logic and disinformation tactics. They highlight both the absurdity and real-world danger in Jones’s efforts to shield Trump while denying his past persona of anti-elite truth-teller. The episode wraps on a note of weary recognition: even the most elaborate apologia cannot disguise the corruption at the heart of the Trump-Epstein scandal, nor the intellectual and moral decline of Alex Jones himself.

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Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgefire.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight. Need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Dan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

[Alex Jones]

I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes. Like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot today is a dilemma.

[Jordan]

A dilemma.

[Alex Jones]

A pickle.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

A paradox.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I can't come up with more.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Jelly bellies, baby.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I'm a big fan of jelly beans.

[Jordan]

Pickle flavored jelly beans.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

I realized as soon as I said I'm in a pickle and it was a flavor thing that's going to be a struggle. I realized that was how it was going to come off.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Dan]

They have some holiday versions.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And I bought a pack of eggnog. Jelly bellies.

[Jordan]

All eggnog?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Or different flavors of eggnog.

[Dan]

All just eggnog.

[Jordan]

All. Just one eggnog?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

One Giant. There was one like seasonal mixer, like a mixed up bag. But I looked at the flavors and I didn't trust a few of them.

[Jordan]

No good.

[Dan]

Okay. I was too scared. Some of them were a little bit too autumnal.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I'm not interested in a pumpkin spice kind of thing.

[Jordan]

Nope. It's just all spice, man.

[Dan]

So I got these eggnogs and they're really good and I really like them. And it's making me conflicted because I don't think that I like eggnog, but I think I might. Okay, so then the question is, is eggnog too thick?

[Jordan]

Right. Right. Is it a textural difference? Because it's not a flavor based difference. Clearly you enjoy the flavor of eggnog.

[Dan]

I think I do.

[Jordan]

Is it that you heard Dave Attell's joke about it being elf come 25 years ago?

[Dan]

No, I definitely heard that joke. And that doesn't bother me.

[Jordan]

It doesn't Bother you at all? No, Pour it on your back.

[Dan]

I wonder if it's an issue where I haven't had it in a long time. Yeah. And everybody has just told me that it's bad.

[Jordan]

That's a good. I can't remember the last time I had eggnog.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't think I've had it in 30 years.

[Dan]

I think this season I'm going to fuck around and try out. Try out eggnog again. See if it is a textural issue or if. And there's got to be a workaround. Like, I could put milk in it or something.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure. I mean, I am always pro getting drunk in the morning, so let's just be right up front about that.

[Dan]

Eggnog doesn't always have in it.

[Jordan]

It feels like it's supposed to, though.

[Dan]

No, no, You. You're. You're just. Your family is a bunch of drunks. And they put brandy in there.

[Alex Jones]

No, no eggnog.

[Dan]

Eggnog's a sober dish.

[Jordan]

Okay, dish.

[Dan]

Anyway, these jelly bellies are fine. What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

Good. My bright spot is my wife. She was helping her mom today, and so she had to go down there, and I was alone, sitting with my dogs, and I was just feeling, like, how lucky and grateful I am to have them both in my life. That was what I was feeling.

[Dan]

You have three dogs.

[Jordan]

I was talking about my wife and her mom. Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

The both confused me.

[Jordan]

No, no, I get you. I get you. No, I was very happy. I'm always happy to have them, but I was feeling it, and I know. And like, I was thinking about it, and I know they both listen, so they're going to hear this, and they're going to be very touched. And so that is my bright spot, is that eventually they will have a bright spot.

[Dan]

Oh, that's n. Yes.

[Jordan]

That's the way I was feeling.

[Dan]

This has become like. I don't. It's not 30% of your bright spots, but it's a higher number than you think.

[Jordan]

That seems to just be your wife. Oh, just.

[Dan]

But I don't think that's bad.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I don't think that's wrong. I think that's, you know, it's a nice sign.

[Jordan]

I'm just having genuine feelings, man. I'm out here just trying to feel and live a life, and then, you know, the problem is. Right. Marriage lasts a long time. Can't set the bar too high too soon, you know?

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Right. Like this. If my batting average is this high, imagine it going down that's, that's way bad, you know?

[Dan]

Well, I guess. Look, I'm not, I'm not coming down on you. I'm not saying it's bad.

[Jordan]

I'm hearing it.

[Dan]

I've just got to make a show, you know what I mean?

[Jordan]

I hear you, I hear. Tone it down on the wife talk, asshole.

[Dan]

I get it. Keep it going. I think it's a great thing. But just expect me to comment a little.

[Jordan]

Fair enough, fair enough. I'll accept it. I'll accept it.

[Dan]

And I, I, I applaud and approve and I'm thrilled for your bright spot.

[Jordan]

Get out of here.

[Dan]

So I, I guess if you have to escalate. Yeah, what are you going to do?

[Jordan]

If I have to escalate from here.

[Dan]

Every time is going to be a.

[Jordan]

It can't be, it can't be frequency. It's got to be, it's got to be some other thing.

[Dan]

You're going to have to write a song.

[Jordan]

I mean. Yeah, it's going to have to be at that level of like I'm. The performance is going to have to increase because the freque otherwise that'll be boring.

[Dan]

So those, yeah. These are the demands that keep me from marriage.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Dan]

Keep me single.

[Jordan]

It's tough. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?

[Alex Jones]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

Where are we at five years from now?

[Dan]

I look forward to seeing whatever your creativity brings about. So today, Jordan, we have an episode to do that sucks.

[Jordan]

Oh, great.

[Dan]

It always sucks.

[Jordan]

It does always suck.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's always bad. Sucks to hear Alex. It sucks that he isn't being smote.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure. There is an existence problem.

[Dan]

Yeah. We're going to talk about November 12th. All right, 2025 on his show. But first let's take a little moment, say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

That's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, shout out to the avocado from your old friend Smilner. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next, shout out to the Cambridge Community kitchen. In the UK they make and deliver more than 700 plant based meals a week to anyone who wants to eat, no questions asked, all for free. Go to cckitchen.uk and help us raise money to buy a blender so we can make creamy, dreamy autumnal soups. Thank you so much. You're to have all as you wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Dan]

If we all wish hard enough. Maybe we can. Liar. Liar. Alex, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much.

[Dan]

It's worth.

[Jordan]

It's possible.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Dreams and wishes do come true.

[Dan]

And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to. Hey, sorry I'm high, but I think it would be funny if you made Dan say Don to Grand Pre. I'll see you in Valhalla, brother. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone. Someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy. Shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Rest easy, Don. The Grand Prix.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Your watch is over. We will man the wall. See you in Valhalla.

[Jordan]

Oh, dodge a Grand Prix.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

How you doing?

[Dan]

He's not good.

[Jordan]

Not good?

[Dan]

No. He's dead. So, Jordan, today, someone who's not dead. Alex. Someone else who's not dead. Trump.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Someone who is dead. Jeffrey Epstein.

[Jordan]

That the trifecta of shit.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Okay, so Trump world has been rocked in the past week with the release of a new tranche of Epstein emails.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Some of which specifically mention Trump in ways that are tough to spin.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Dan]

A lot of this has been fairly overstated by people claiming that Trump is the most frequently mentioned name in this batch of emails and that he comes up 600 or 1628 times. Okay, that is a true number, but the context is misleading. There aren't 1628 instances of Jeffrey Epstein emailing with someone and talking about Trump. That number includes a ton of times that Trump's name comes up in the body of a news article that someone forwarded to Epstein or vice versa.

[Jordan]

All right, all right.

[Dan]

Similar context to that.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

Looked at discovery material. Knows that there's going to be a lot of shit.

[Jordan]

It's incidental data that doesn't help anybody with anything.

[Dan]

Yeah. So that number, I've seen it thrown around and I think people are making too much.

[Jordan]

It's a misleading number by itself.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. It's a headline problem.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So that said, the emails that were released that involved Trump are weird, and I think they make everyone look bad.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Dan]

So there were three main emails that were getting press coverage at the time that Alex is on air on this episode.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Two of them were between Epstein and author Michael Wolf, and the other was between Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

The Maxwell one is the oldest from April 2, 2011. Epstein wrote to her, quote, I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump. Redacted victim name. Spent hours at my house with him. He has never been mentioned once. Police chief, et cetera. I'm 75% there. Maxwell replied, I've been thinking about that.

[Jordan]

Great. Good stuff.

[Dan]

This one is the most confusing because it comes down to trying to interpret the expression the dog that hasn't barked. There are limited context clues also in this, just this tiny exchange as to how Epstein might have meant it.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

That expression is from detective stories where the fact that a dog didn't bark indicated that it knew the burglar or murderer who was breaking into someone's house. In the context of Epstein's email, you could look at this a number of different ways. One is that Epstein's suspicious of Trump being a snitch. Epstein knows that Trump has committed crimes in his house, and yet no police chatter ever comes up about him. So, in effect, the police aren't barking because they know Trump.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The second is a slight variation on that, where Trump is protected by the police, but not because he's an informant. This would basically follow the same idea, but the lack of barking isn't because the police are working with Trump, but because Trump is, as Alex might put it, mobbed up and a frontman for consortiums on the East Coast.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

A third option is that Epstein's using the expression differently and is commenting on how no one snitched on Trump, which is apparently uncommon among his associates. This could indicate that he's saying that, like, Trump is particularly scary to the victims.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Or it's very difficult to tell what this means.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it's very interesting. But it's also the least useful without context.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

If you add more surrounding details to this conversation, it could mean a bunch of different things, and I'm reluctant to jump to any strong conclusions about it yet.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

But it's, you know, it's in that same territory as, you know, Trump's, like, birthday card where he's like, a friend is a wonderful riddle.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, what the fuck do you mean by that?

[Jordan]

I mean, I will say this. Of all the, like, extremely wealthy people I have ever met in my life, none of them have been able to use idioms appropriately. So it is entirely possible that this means something completely different from the actual meaning of the Phrase.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's. It's weird.

[Jordan]

It is weird. Yeah, it's weird.

[Dan]

So the other two emails are a bit more direct. These are two exchanges between Epstein and Michael Wolff from 2015 and 2019. The 2019 one is just Epstein saying, quote, trump said he asked me to resign. Never a member ever. Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop. Sure. This is Epstein refuting Trump's telling of how he kicked Epstein out of Mar a Lago as soon as he learned that he was preying on children there. Of course he knew about the girls is a tough line to wiggle around. The email from 2015 involves Epstein and Wolf discussing how Trump should respond to a hypothetical question from the media about his relationship with Epstein. Geoffrey asks Wolfe, if we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be? Wolf replies, I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you. Or if it looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it's possible that when asked, he'll say, geoffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correct, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. It's worth noting that these are Michael Wolfe's words, but he and Epstein appear to be pretty close. And it's well understood that Trump is involved with Epstein in a way that would make hanging Trump very easy.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

It's common knowledge to them that Trump had been on Epstein's plane and been to his house. So if Trump were to lie about that, he would be potentially compromised. These emails obviously don't tell an entire story, but they're bad.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Maybe it's not the kind of evidence you'd want to rely on to throw someone in jail, but these are. These are glimpses that paint a pretty clear picture that Trump's not someone who should be trusted in a position of power.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Epstein calling him the dog that didn't bark and wargaming with Michael Wolf about how best to exploit their association. They're not definite proof of crimes, but they're damning in terms of Trump's character.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is a piece of shit guy. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Is Michael Wolfe dead?

[Dan]

I don't know. No, I don't think so. Because he commented on the release of the emails.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Was his comment like, sorry, I'm A ghoulish monster who worked with a fucking preeminent pedophile billionaire of our time.

[Dan]

I don't think there's as much soul searching as you'd like.

[Jordan]

You don't think so?

[Dan]

No, I think there's more of like, I've been trying to get this story out for a long time.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Kind of vibe from him.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Which your mileage may vary in terms of how much that.

[Jordan]

So, so totally cool of you to be just emailing with Jeffrey Epstein about shit like this.

[Dan]

I mean, it's. It's a cynical look.

[Jordan]

I mean. Yeah, that's dark. That is dark. Hey, man, I need the story is not going to cut it for me on this one. Sorry.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I think the stakes of it are so comical that the familiar tone.

[Jordan]

Oh, totally.

[Dan]

Of this kind of like, yeah, you could fuck Trump up if he lies about you or whatever.

[Jordan]

Listen, if you, if I'm emailing the devil, I'm already way past it, you know, like, why not have a nice collegial tone?

[Dan]

And this is in 2015.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So it's not like, you know, nobody had any idea.

[Jordan]

Nobody had any idea that he was a bad guy at the time. Right. It would be crazy to know that they're even talking about it.

[Alex Jones]

The fuck off. Oh, man.

[Dan]

I. I just think that, like. Okay, so these emails are not the only ones that will eventually come out. Yeah, but they are bad.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like, I get it. I get that. Like, where we can't try someone in a court of law, in the court of public opinion.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I get that.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Great. Hey, I don't want to be a part of cancel culture, but we're not talking about just a person.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

We're talking about a president.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We're talking about the leader of the fucking country.

[Jordan]

That is true.

[Dan]

He. Him being discussed like this by these creeps.

[Guest/Caller]

Yep.

[Dan]

But that's bad. That's enough.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He's gone. He should be gone. Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, it is. It is a problem from a substance standpoint. Right. If you can get the exact same guy who believes the exact same stuff from just about anywhere off the street, but that person isn't a pedophile billionaire who worked with Jeffrey Epstein to cover up all those crimes. You could do that, right?

[Dan]

Yeah, it. It would. It's should be disqualifying.

[Jordan]

It should be.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Just like from a. From a. Just like an automatic standpoint. Like we don't even have a say, you know, that should be. Part of it is that there should be an automatic Mechanism, much like some sort of machine guillotine of some sort. Right. That will just take care of the problem for us immediately.

[Dan]

Now, and let me be clear about something.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I believe that the situation is way worse than what I'm saying.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I'm going based on these three emails that were released and trying to be as fair as I can. Right, right, right there.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

I do think it's worse than this, but even if you are as generous as possible. Yeah, this is bad. It sucks. Get rid of them.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Anyway, Alex comes on air and let's see how he's doing.

[Jordan]

He's probably.

[Dan]

He's the guy who broke the Epstein story.

[Jordan]

He's gonna do great with this.

[Alex Jones]

Well, exactly what I predicted in the last few years and intensely the last year since Trump. That's been a year now, exactly as I predicted, the Democrats with some Republicans have begun to release select cherry picked stuff out of what they call the Epstein files. And I know all of it, up one side and down the other. Predicted all of it. So did Roger Stone. It's exactly what we thought. Now they're setting a few trumpets, all of them in Congress. They're a little behind, blacking out, you know, names and things, which they better do. Victims. But they released their best shot last night and it's all over the news. And it is beyond nothing burger. That said, I am not in the business of being an apologist for Donald Trump or covering up anything. I simply call balls and strikes.

[Dan]

Just balls and strikes.

[Jordan]

I believe the last time we heard or the last time I recall him giving a grade to the President of the United states, it was 120%.

[Dan]

No, I think it might have been like 98 because he was being conservative. He was in a down.

[Jordan]

Oh, you're right, you're right, he was. Because he was calling. He was just saying he calls balls and strikes.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So he's only 98% happy with them. Gotcha. All right.

[Dan]

And then I think maybe he's a little bit more negative when Nick Fuentes is around because he doesn't want to upset the little boy.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Well, so I would say nothing too surprising here from Alex. That response he decides to go with is like it's an on story. It's a fun contrast to see his response to these emails be. It's a big nothing burger compared to how he salaciously covered the Pizzagate emails. He was digging up food based codes and making up all kinds of stuff in order to make those more damning to his enemies. But now it's all just nothing to see here.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you're Alex, you have to know that more stuff's coming and that this isn't the last very shady thing you're gonna have to pretend is a nothing burger. So it makes no sense to, like, why you're not shifting your support over to another white identity friendly candidate.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

When you're the guy who made his career by breaking into Bohemian Grove. It's really embarrassing to treat the president this softly around associations with a sex trafficker.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, this is fucking stupid.

[Jordan]

It's a pedophile billionaire cabal. I don't know how else to describe the current government than a pedophile billionaire cabal. But that's fine. I guess.

[Dan]

It's not. It's not. That is where all power lies.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But it's more than it should be.

[Jordan]

Way more than any should be. No problem. We should be like, no, there's none. Some, even if it's a small amount, should be a huge problem. The amount we have currently is beyond.

[Dan]

It would be almost hilarious if in hindsight we find out that Trump and all of his cabinet, like, put on robes.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Like chanting weird rituals.

[Jordan]

100%.

[Dan]

Alex has just been oblivious.

[Jordan]

It'd be perfect. It would be perfect.

[Dan]

So he calls balls and strikes.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And sometimes, you know, like, you gotta call, call it like you see it. And their response does not look good. Over in the Trump administration, the way.

[Alex Jones]

The Trump administration has handled the Epstein case has been a unmitigated disaster.

[Jordan]

Seems great.

[Alex Jones]

You wanted to create the biggest Streisand effect and look guilty. You couldn't do a better job. That said, I know this thing up one side and down the other. I'm interviewed all the experts. I've got every damn angle of this thing. You have all the victims saying he never touched him. He's the guy that blew the whistle on Epstein on record. And I have all the videos, all the clips, the police, all the admissions, the lawyers, the women. I could, I could do four hours with just the women. 99% of them saying they never saw Trump. Two of them saw Trump at Mar Lago. Trump got in his face, kicked him out of the club because he was recruiting the 15 year old girls out of there. And then, oh, in the upcoming emails, it's going to be him in Florida on two occasions visiting houses. It's already on record. They were fighting over houses they were buying. That's what Trump does. And that's when Epstein got pissed because Trump snuck behind him and, you know, snatched up A house.

[Dan]

Oh, okay. So Roger is likely told Alex that Trump was over at Epstein's house a lot and there's evidence about that that's going to come out. So Alex needs to get ahead of that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that would be wise.

[Dan]

This is a very specific thing Alex predicts is going to be the next attack. As if he knows what Trump's associates are worried are his weak points.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Or maybe this is about the already released email where Epstein tells Maxwell that Trump spent hours at one of the houses with one of the victims. It's hard to tell if this is preemptive damage control or just after the fact spinning.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Not sure.

[Jordan]

I mean, if you. Okay, I'll say this. If I have no knowledge of what might be in these emails and I just instinctively go, well, he's probably not doing this. I'm probably lying.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

And that's probably good enough already. It might look like I already knew in advance what was coming because I just assumed the worst possible thing was in those emails. Right, right.

[Dan]

What is the way that we can explain someone looking guilty as shit?

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But they're not.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

I'll come up with that in advance and we're good.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Trump was never in on the COVID up. Right.

[Alex Jones]

I.

[Jordan]

Okay, here's where I struggle with this. I struggle with this whole thing. Right. Because I feel like we should have already handled this. We have already reached the point where Trump covered up the Epstein thing. They've said that that's okay. We'll lick your boots, daddy. Now why are we even bothering? You know what I'm saying?

[Dan]

No, I totally. I mean, look, I don't know what it means to take care of something.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But, like, in terms of Alex's position on this, it seems like a done deal.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, it doesn't seem like there's any reason to litigate this any further.

[Jordan]

Why even bother?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. They've already made peace with the fact that, like, we're going to be complicit in something.

[Jordan]

Yeah. We're fucking Michael wolfing this. Who gives a shit?

[Dan]

Right? Yeah. And I think even in this clip that's what you hear. Like Alex is saying, like, Trump wasn't in on the COVID up, but now he is, and that's fine.

[Jordan]

I guess.

[Dan]

I guess we.

[Alex Jones]

Well, and the fact that they released this and I'm already telling you what the other stuff's going to be, which they haven't even gotten to yet, I just know shows there's nothing there. But then, my dear Watson, I Asked the question, why in Hades, why in hell in tarnation has there been a big cover up? Well, we know why, because it's a bunch of big CEOs and a bunch of big heads of banks. They're mainly Democrats. But Ratcliffe has come to Trump and I was told this when he was President elect from Roger and other people, that you're not going to get it because the CIA says it's a national security threat, because they were working with a Mossad. And look, we already know all that. So Trump is not involved screwing the.

[Guest/Caller]

Girls.

[Alex Jones]

And he was not involved in any cover up ever and was really the first to expose Epstein. That's why I ended up, you know, getting that jail sentence in Florida. And we knew this when I was vetting Trump 10 years ago, before I endorsed him 10 and a half years ago. God, it's been that long. I went to the books on the subject, the experts on it, read what Trump's enemies had said, read what the New York Times had said, and there was never anything there. So I'm like, okay, he's good. That's how much due diligence I do. Not just on that other subjects before I endorse Trump member early. And I knew how he was pro America and his past and his dad and that he sat at the knee of, you know, the architect of the McCarthy stuff. So I knew he knew a lot and I endorsed him.

[Jordan]

That was your positive.

[Alex Jones]

And we're going to go over it all today and so much more. We have special guests lined up.

[Dan]

So Alex didn't vet Trump. He was just disappointed by Rand Paul's weakness in the 2016 primaries. And Roger came along and got Alex to flip. Any research that he did on Trump was just asking Roger questions and accepting whatever lies Roger fed him. Also, you can't get points for never having been part of an elaborate coverup if you eventually become part of the COVID up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If it's true that Trump wasn't part of covering up Epstein's shit for the past however many decades they've been friends. But now that he's president, the deep state has convinced him that he needs to cover it all up, then the past doesn't matter. According to Alex's telling of the story, the CIA has convinced Trump that it's in his best interest to be part of the COVID up. That's the best narrative that a huge Trump propagandist can come up with for this. Which seems bad.

[Jordan]

Yeah, the deep state has captured the President and I support that.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because it's understandable why he would go along with it.

[Jordan]

I mean, if I was the President and the CIA told me some shit, I would obviously cover it up too, because they'll probably kill me. Yes. Yeah.

[Dan]

This is a pathetic position for someone like Alex to have. Like, it doesn't matter if you're like, you've been convinced it's smart and in your best interest to be part of a sex trafficking cover up. Nope, you are now part of a sex trafficking cover up.

[Jordan]

Beauty of. And see, this is the thing, this is the beauty of being a person with a pure ideology is that you get to do it, especially when it's dumb. You get to be an idiot. Right. If the CIA is like, hey, you'd be stupid not to do this, we'll kill you. You get to be the guy who gets killed because that's what you do. You don't go, well, it would be smart this time. Cuz then you're the guy who goes, well, it would be smart this time. Bullshit.

[Dan]

Can you imagine any politician that Alex didn't like getting the courtesy of. Well, the deep state convinced them that there would be too many problems if they didn't go along. Conspiracy. That's his fucking angle.

[Jordan]

How can you be convinced if you're wrong or if you're right? Do you know what I mean? If you believe that Donald Trump is right to do the thing, but he has been convinced to do the wrong thing, then now he is wrong.

[Dan]

Well, maybe from your position, but that's your position. Maybe it was in the past, that's fair. Maybe I pretended it was.

[Jordan]

I do like the, I do like the retroactive, like, oh, but he held out so long before he covered it up. So he's still a pretty good dude.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, that's the standard.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Cool.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he held out.

[Dan]

So Alex makes up a bunch of stuff here about the emails because he is just calling balls and strikes, just doing it.

[Alex Jones]

Jeffrey Epstein alleged emails that Trump knew of his conduct. Epstein emails claim Trump knew about the girl, spent hours with the victim.

[Jordan]

And.

[Alex Jones]

We'Ve got the emails and we're going to go over all of it. And it just so happens that this is not easily disproven, what they're trying to imply. It's absolutely pathetically easy because we know every angle of this from the victims, from their lawyers, from everything. And then when you see what they.

[Jordan]

Imply.

[Alex Jones]

Spent hours with the victims knew and called the police and kicked him out of the club because the two victims worked at Mar Lago and he got Pissed because he was. Eppsy was poaching him. And when you actually read all the.

[Jordan]

Are you telling me a positive story.

[Alex Jones]

Wolf, that's trying to wrap the hit piece?

[Dan]

No.

[Alex Jones]

He's one drop the dime on me. No. Yeah, he knew about it and he was upset and his wife was upset. Oh, we learned Melania was pissed. I mean, imagine you live somewhere with your wife and a bunch of other people at a resort. It's like the Love Boat or something. I mean, you see what these dudes are doing, and, you know, Mama Bear's like.

[Dan]

Alex is making things up about the emails in order to play defense. It's totally fine to say that the emails that were released by this point were not necessarily smoking guns, but it's idiotic to pretend that this is calling balls and strikes. The emails that were released had nothing to do with Melania. But the context of Epstein saying that Trump knew about the girls is from a sentence that also includes the point that Trump asked Ghislaine to stop sex trafficking people at Mar A Lago. The fact that Trump asked her to stop is proof that Trump knew what Ghislaine and Epstein were up to. But it's tough to read much more into it than that.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, like, yeah, sure, it's him saying stop, but he's also. He knows what they're doing. It's a. It's a mess.

[Jordan]

You know, this is, I think, part of, you know, the difference between the way they treated the Pizzagate emails and the way they treated these gets to what made Project Camelot so good at the beginning. Right. Is because I thought they were in it for the love of the game. There was no agenda. They were just here to be a dick about something. You know, like, that's what I want from Alex. And any tranche of emails about anything.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Just fucking pick through, make up some cool conspiracy bullshit, yell about it, and then we all move on. Don't give me an agenda.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Your baggage has to be to the weird, not to the like.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

The real kowtowing political shit.

[Jordan]

Yep. Absolutely.

[Dan]

So the fact that Trump asked her to stop in that email is proof that he knew what they were up to. But it doesn't necessarily seem like he has a problem with the actual crimes they were committing.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

It seems like maybe it was more of a don't do it here kind of thing. But even me saying that is reading more into the emails than is written there. Sure. It's making an assumption.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Epstein didn't tell Wolf that Trump dropped a dime on him. But that's one of the many interpretations you can come up with for the dog that didn't bark line. Sure, but that was also from the Ghislaine email, not from Michael Wolfe. Right. Point is, Alex is shaky on the details here, but his messaging that this isn't a big deal is very obvious. And that is all that's important. That's his coverage.

[Jordan]

I mean, I just like beyond. Beyond all of these people, and I mean fucking all of them. Like just, just between us, the people who regularly do this shit, why not just get rid of everybody who knew Epstein in the government? Yeah, right. Like just all of. We can replace them. There's so many of us and there's so many competent people who would be just as good at that job as somebody who knew Jeffrey Epstein. But they didn't.

[Dan]

Jeffrey Epstein, Yeah, it's all. It. Look, I don't know. I don't know how anything works, but.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

You know, I agree with you that there are capable people who never met.

[Jordan]

Who never met Jeffrey Epstein.

[Dan]

And maybe we just take a punt on this one and say, hey, look, sorry, maybe it's not great. Maybe you're great.

[Jordan]

Maybe you are great.

[Dan]

Yeah, sorry, you knew Jeffrey Epstein.

[Jordan]

We can do with. We can do better. We can.

[Dan]

An abundance of caution requires us to just quarantine.

[Jordan]

Absolutely no Epstein.

[Alex Jones]

We.

[Jordan]

I stayed inside for two years. We can skip past. Nobody knows Jeffrey Epstein anymore.

[Dan]

I think we'll be all right meeting more people.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Yes, exactly. That problem has solved itself.

[Dan]

Yeah. So this is all like a Democratic setup and shit?

[Jordan]

Sure, yeah, why not?

[Dan]

I don't really understand what the larger conspiracy here is, though.

[Alex Jones]

And so everyone to Zorro Ranch never went to the Caribbean, none of it like Bill Clinton, all the rest of them. That said, though, Trump has been covering up for the bad guys. There's no doubt about that. Now, obviously most of the real stuff's been destroyed and disappeared by the Democrats and Comey and all them that control the file. And we have a big elements on that front. It's come out in court that Maureen Comey, the daughter that ran the Epstein cover up in the Southern district of New York, she came to Epstein and said, we'll drop the new charges. Just say you saw Trump screw girls. But it didn't happen, it wasn't real. So that's where we are.

[Dan]

That's where we are. I don't know what this adds to the consensus.

[Alex Jones]

Where are we?

[Jordan]

I don't know where we are.

[Dan]

So the allegation that Maureen Comey Offered Epstein a deal to implicate Trump comes from a plea for a pardon that was filed by Epstein's former cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglioni. In other circumstances, Tartiglione has been part of the conspiracy to kill Epstein because it was so suspicious that his cellmate was a former cop who went on to kill four people in a drug deal that went bad. How could that possibly be? It's too suspicious. He was his cellmate. He must have tried to kill him.

[Jordan]

That does sound right.

[Dan]

He's bunking with a murderer who used to be law enforcement. Come on.

[Jordan]

That's very murdery. Are we stupid as a useful murderer? That's a pretty good. That's a pretty good murderer.

[Dan]

Sure. So that was the conspiracy that a lot of folks are part of the conspiracy around.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

The people ran with.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Anyway, he's doing four life sentences for the murders, and now he wants a pardon. So he's got this story to tell. And Alex is in the business of accepting whatever he says as gospel. Balls and strikes.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

Just calling it down the middle.

[Jordan]

See, this is where. This is where I feel like we're. We're having disagreements about where we're at. Because where I'm at is right. If somebody like. Like Alex goes like Trump is. Is bad, but we should get rid of these guys first. I'll be like, ah, I'm good. Get rid of all of them. Let's just go. Let's just be done with this, you know? Like, we can't be. I can't be here for another, like, oh, they're covering something up, but it's. We're covering up something better. That's where we're at. We're at the lesser of two cover ups.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's the lesser of two evils. Except, like, it's. It. It's so bad on its face.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That, like, what? You don't need to accept either of these evils.

[Jordan]

Yeah. What is happening?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I think people are averse to your position because everyone understands that, like, if you give an inch, it's not going to be dealt with universally. Like, you're saying, get rid of Trump and get rid of everybody else, too.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think. I think a lot of rational people would be totally fine with that. But the sticking point is, like, Alex would say, get rid of all your people first.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And then they would never follow through on getting rid of people on their side.

[Jordan]

No, it's got to be. It's got to be a red rover situation. One for one, simultaneous One for one every time. Boom. We put them on our table like war. Oh, we got Nancy Pelosi. You drop another one down, they're gone. All right, next one. I trust you to get one to one every time.

[Dan]

That might be the only negotiation strategy that works.

[Jordan]

I'm down for that.

[Dan]

You.

[Jordan]

You and her. Sorry. You're out of here. Goodbye.

[Dan]

Well, hey, look, you've solved my problem that I had.

[Guest/Caller]

So.

[Dan]

Yeah, it just sucks that the best he can do is like, yeah, he's in on the COVID up now. Yeah, he has to be.

[Jordan]

Come on. What are you, stupid?

[Dan]

Yeah, you got to do better than this. So anyway, Alex spends a long time complaining about Obamacare.

[Jordan]

Wow. 2025, baby. Writing it in the wall.

[Dan]

Yeah. Jonathan Gruber said you're stupid.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

Awesome.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So anyway, we'll skip through a lot of that.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

The high point of it was him describing going to a clinic in Austin that has a pharmacy and seeing them charging a lady too much for a prescription and being like, it's not us.

[Jordan]

It'S Obama, it's Obama. And then she cried, oh, no, man. Bring back death panels. Let's talk about that.

[Dan]

Yeah. So anyway, Alex is really, really, really successful.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

You make. Yes. Millions of people watching him all the time and no one believes it.

[Alex Jones]

Fighting. This is not a part time job for anybody. People haven't really done it about 10 years. But you shaping all the time time. You know, I have dozens of employees reaching even 10 years ago, 30, 40 million people a day conservatively. And family would come over to see me or neighbors and then. And they'd say, well, well, what's your main career like? Like, what's your daytime job? And I'm sitting there because, you know, my house, there's not pictures of me and, you know, newspaper clippings on the walls, all this kind of stuff. And your house is modest and everything. You don't make a big deal about it. I'm like, oh, I reach. I reach, you know, 30 million people a day. They're like, no, you don't. The reason I raise that is people just have a normalcy bias and they just don't believe when extraordinarily good things are happening, extraordinarily bad things are happening, especially if you don't put on airs. And by that I mean I'm not a person that puts on airs. Patriots don't put on airs. But we've been right, you've been right. So there has to be some way to signal to people, like, hey, we're the Good guys. Some sort of virtue in total enslavement. Now, you better join us. And then. And. And that. And that we're the same people. I mean, where's the victory left?

[Dan]

I think it was January 6th. But also, you don't put on airs, man. I have your watch. You put on airs.

[Jordan]

That whole studio is in air.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. This is your life is putting on air.

[Jordan]

Absurd.

[Dan]

Now, I will say, I think that what these people are asking when they say, like, what's your real job?

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The answer is supposed to be, I'm a supplement salesperson. Right, right, right. Because the show obviously wouldn't generate the kind of income that would get the giant house that he lives in.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

That is so modestly decorated. So, yeah, I think that's the question that they're really trying to get at. But there's something so fun about, like, no one believes how popular I am because I'm so modest.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, that's. That's like. That is borderline. I'm the most humble person there's ever been.

[Dan]

Of all the greatest traits of all.

[Jordan]

I mean, I am the greatest humbler. I just humble myself, like, so much better than everybody else because I'm a better person.

[Dan]

Right. And that's really great for Logan Paul's entrance in a WWE ring, you know, because you want to hate him. He's supposed to be hated.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

For Alex, I don't think he's trying to play a heel.

[Jordan]

No. I don't think it's just such a dick thing to say about anything.

[Dan]

Yeah. So a large portion of this, like I said, is a complaining about Obamacare.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And then another large chunk ends up him trying to start a fight with Theo Vaughn.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Podcaster and former road ruler.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

The bottom line of it is basically, like, people are too into Israel. They're too. They complain too much about Israel.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And he's singled out Theo Vaughn.

[Jordan]

Theo Vaughn complains too much about Israel.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

We should be doing a victory lap so people recognize we were the ones that were. Right. So that people will listen to us on the next important thing we're talking telling them. That's my issue with the Israel thing, is it's the avant garde thing. It's all people talk about. They talk about the same set of things over and over again as if it does anything to Israel. They know nothing else about anything. And then it's like this golden ticket they have where they go, I'm better than you. You don't just talk about Israel. And I singled out Theo Vaughn, who I like and who says nice things about me just because he's you. You got to pick one example. I decided to shoot this last night because I literally saw a clip somebody posted in one of my videos, one of my reports, and it said, huh, why don't you, you know, be a real man and expose Israel like Theo Vaughn? And I'm sitting there thinking, well, I mean, when, when, you know, Theo was five years old, I was making documentaries about Israel and staging false flag attacks. I've covered all of this. I don't have to prove myself.

[Dan]

Were you pissed off by a tweet and so you decided to try and big dog Theo Vaughn?

[Jordan]

Is there a reason for that? What did Theo Vaughn ever do?

[Dan]

I think that Rogan doesn't want Alex on.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Theo Vaughn's huge.

[Jordan]

So we're doing a squeal like a pig kind of situation with Theo Vaughn.

[Dan]

We're gonna stick him a million percent.

[Jordan]

And then Theo Vaughn is going to invite him onto the.

[Dan]

Alex made a video about why Theo Vaughn's afraid to have him on his show. So obviously it's a Chinese book me.

[Jordan]

Please get me on your show.

[Dan]

So desperate that, like, it's gonna work. I hope it doesn't. I hope Theo has better instincts than that, but I don't. I don't trust it.

[Jordan]

Isn't his show like some crazy level of huge? Didn't he have. Didn't he have, like, Obama on Trump on.

[Dan]

He had Bernie on too, though. I think he.

[Jordan]

He's just Theo Vaughn. He doesn't know anything.

[Dan]

I have not watched enough of it to have, like, instinct about, like, where his views are.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But he seems like maybe less really bad Rogan or something. Yeah. How I would. I would, from the. A distance, view it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that Alex views it that way, too, and that's why he wants it.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. Right.

[Dan]

And Rogan doesn't want him back.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

I can't be on Rogan. Too corporate. Theo is dumb enough and that's all I need.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Done and done.

[Dan]

Rogan has told me that I can go on kill Tony.

[Jordan]

Maybe, maybe.

[Dan]

But that's about it.

[Jordan]

And I only get one minute, right?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's no good.

[Dan]

Oh, he's got a minute. I was thinking back to that Stanhope.

[Jordan]

So I was going to say, did we see him? Did we hear him do a minute?

[Dan]

No, he did more than a minute.

[Jordan]

He definitely did a minute.

[Dan]

I think the minute worked fine because it's all momentum.

[Jordan]

Right? Well, he did Run out of momentum.

[Dan]

He can yell for a minute. Yeah, but yeah, give him, give him 10.

[Jordan]

No good.

[Dan]

So this rant trying to bait Theo Von is very long.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He complains a lot about people who are critical of Israel and how it's all just them jacking off.

[Alex Jones]

Sure. But I'm sorry folks, you're going to have to learn more than just oh, look, that person prayed at the wailing wall and then just metaphysically play with yourself and talk about how you're good and they're bad all day long. And again, oh, the Jews are in trouble. We finally got him. He's trying to get us off their trail. It's all you do if you're going to expose badness in Israel. Be informed, know the facts, go in, cover it, move on to the next thing and then you diffuse the Zionists manipulating the other Jews who all feel threatened now who are, who don't know what's going on in the general public who are sending record money, money to their very abusers that know they're stirring up the beehive so they can have this Armageddon Megiddo crisis. And, and so, so the Israel lobby can fully take over the U. S because they got a plan to false flag synagogues and stuff and coming with massive censorship. See, I'm not just talking about what happened in the past. I'm talking about what's about to happen.

[Jordan]

See, See, See.

[Alex Jones]

So I apologize to a lot of people out there that have woken up the fact that they're being lied to but who don't have any grasp or depth and who have low IQs and I don't know how I, I respond to you. I can talk to you like you're five, please. And maybe I shouldn't waste my time on you. It just doesn't matter. But I'll tell you this, if we don't turn around the totalitarianism and all its flavors and forms, we are going to have a complete global depression. We are going to have total war. We're all completely screwed. And I'm literally just trying to save the ship here. And then I gotta watch all these one trick ponies, like a string you pull on those dolls that say like three things and you pull it just does the same three things. Just pull string, pull string, pull string. And I'm just like, this is retard. This is absolutely idiotic. God, I was supposed to get in the Epstein thing. I'm gonna get to that too. Coming up.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm sure you will. So yeah, I mean, it's all just debate. Theo. This is just trying to sneaky snake him and like all of these criticisms and like saying that these people are just masturbating with a string. Pull the string. And it says the same thing. Like you hang out with Nick. What are you talking about? Why is Theo Vaughn worse than Nick? I can't imagine, in terms of blaming Israel for everything. It's weird. But Nick gives Alex the time of day and Theo has an audience that Alex hasn't penetrated yet.

[Jordan]

There's definitely that. I do. Like the middle of a I'm good and you're bad rant. To have something about how they only sit around and talk about how good they are and how bad you are. That's nice.

[Guest/Caller]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Then to have. Then to say that it's masturbation while you're doing it. That's nice. But then I thought about it and I was like, he is getting paid professionally to do this. So there is a bit of a difference between somebody who's just masturbating and somebody who's masturbating on camera. Right, right, right. So they're. That's like. They're. They're professional masturbators.

[Dan]

Yeah. But I also think that he. Okay, here's, here's, here's where it gets done.

[Jordan]

Okay. Where does it get tough?

[Dan]

You're going to have to have a person masturbating on camera and people buying supplements.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because people I don't really think are there for Alex's masturbation.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, no one's paying for that on its own.

[Jordan]

That's fair. That's fair. They are. Yeah. Who is sponsoring masturbation these days?

[Dan]

Black rifle, coffee, whatever beef Tucker is selling.

[Jordan]

I'll say this, I'm not selling. Hide your guns on that one.

[Dan]

So Alex does not get to covering the Epstein stuff naturally, just yet. Because there's other news.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Other than Obamacare.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Which is that Trump is fucked in the polls. His numbers are dropping.

[Jordan]

What a surprise.

[Alex Jones]

All right. I remember in September of 2020 talking to Roger Stone on the phone, and he's a very smart political analyst and Trump's former top political advisor. He said, Trump's gonna lose. He said, there's enough fraud baked in. He's got to win by 10 points. He's not going to have as big a landslide as he had in 2016. He goes, he's going to lose. But don't, don't, you know, don't say that. I've since had Roger on and, you know, he, after the fact, that wasn't out of confidence. I got his permission to tell a story this time. He said, no, he's going to win. It's going to look like a small landslide. I'll win the popular and the electoral but. And the but he said, don't, you know, don't tell people that because we still got to have maximum push. We gotta have urgency now. When, when we came out and talked about that and I told folks, good chance Trump's gonna lose. I didn't save my sources. People need to take it serious. All the white pill Q People are like, no, he's invincible. Hillary's been executed. You know, they're all at Guantanamo Bay. Just total cuckoo town stuff. Now, that's one extreme of that, of the white pills. There's other people that just say, oh, you're criticizing Trump when you say that's not a good policy. We think this advisor's bad. That's a terrible idea. We're not, you know, in North Korea here, we're not the Democrats too. We don't just slavishly follow whatever, you know, comes out of the rnc. And so when I get up here and tell you that I don't need to be Mark Mitchell, who is hands down, I talk to everybody and the numbers are clear. One of the, if not the best pollsters in the [e-mail] and he'll tell you, because I've been watching him, you know, when he does other interviews and when he came out with Brianna Morello a few days ago, that, that Trump is in deep shit and, and people go, oh, you're, you're undermining him. No, no, no, no, no. We're, we're saying that because that's what the numbers show and that's what we see on the street. So he course corrects very, very quickly because people are fickle. Just three months ago, Trump was riding high, but now, because a lot of things that are happening and the horrible economy he inherited and he was trying to fix it, we got big problems.

[Dan]

A lot of things are happening. Like, that's Trump just sucks. Yeah, he, these you guys got a pile of shit and it's yours. I mean, that's why the numbers are dropping.

[Jordan]

It's, it's so, it's so weird. Right? Like the very beginning of something is Roger Stone being like, this is how it's gonna happen. Don't tell people the truth. Lie to them so we can manipulate the outcome also. Right.

[Dan]

Also. It got really stuck in my head that he's like, I remember in September, Stone was on the phone. Y. Like he's hitting a poem.

[Jordan]

Yep. The fifth day of September, Stone rang my phone.

[Dan]

It's very distracting.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But yeah, yeah. I mean, hey, look, you know, you gotta misdirect.

[Jordan]

Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's for the best. I think that what Alex fails to realize is that he is not wagging the dog.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Dan]

He thinks that he can be like, wah, wah, I'm gonna throw a fit. Trump, Trump, you're fucked in the polls.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And that's going to get Trump to act in the way that he wants him to as opposed to like. No, he's doing what he's gonna do and you're gonna not like that.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The polls are gonna drop and he's not gonna. He doesn't really care.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He's. It's, it is very strange to have that be like a thing that he does is like if he's talking to you do, it's to make you do a thing that he wants. Right. Like that's the only time he'll ever say your name out loud. Whether it's for a positive or a negative or, or like buttering you up or intimidating you. No matter what. If he is in engaging with you, it is to obtain.

[Dan]

Yeah. And Alex has run out of things to be obtainable from him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like there is like whatever poll numbers are dropping. Like, it's not going to be affected by Alex.

[Guest/Caller]

Nope.

[Dan]

Being like, hey, Trump's good, he's cool. You're not going to get any bump in the numbers from that.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Jordan]

So you would have to listen to Alex for one reason and one reason only. You believe that Alex is going to lead you to popularity once more.

[Dan]

So Alex, because he's talking about the polls, he's got a Rasmussen guy on there. And so this guy is. He's got some criticisms of Trump, like the fact that he pretends to be a populist but is surrounded by billionaires.

[Jordan]

Weird.

[Guest/Caller]

Again, where's the understanding that this needs to be economic populism? He ran as a populist and he's surrounded by billionaires. Like, Bill Pulte might be the nicest guy on earth, but when your solution to like the housing crisis is to make prices higher, which is what happens when you juice demand without affecting supply. That's what that 50 year mortgage will do. It will make the baby boomer generation more wealthy because their houses prices will go up. It will make homebuilders more wealthy because they can sell higher priced houses. And it will make bankers more wealthy because they can siphon off more interest out of young people. And what's really sick is that we have a bubble right now. And so for Trump to expand borrowing by expanding credit and relaxing the credit requirements, what they're essentially doing is helping struggling people get into the market so that boomers who have made a lot of money can get out of the market at the top. That's even more perverse. And so that's what their solution was, when the real solution should be to crash the market. And yes, that would be bad for the economy, but everybody was talking about a controlled detonation of the economy. Remember back in January, I think it was, we're like, okay, we're in. How are we bringing this thing down? And you know what? That would have been the best thing for people under 50. They could have gotten rid of all the H1Bs and all the visas and then crashed the housing market. That would have given every zoomer a job, a good job, like an Apple development job.

[Jordan]

Is that how that works?

[Alex Jones]

Like a fever?

[Jordan]

I don't know if that's how that works.

[Alex Jones]

All the foreigners out, all the illegals.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, it would push the foreigners out.

[Jordan]

These are some of the dumbest things I've heard a person say.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

That's amazing.

[Dan]

I'm, I'm not, I'm not positive about controlled demolitions of economies.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But I am positive about. If you ever thought that Trump was going to do that, you're insane.

[Jordan]

You would be ridiculously insane.

[Dan]

So, yeah, I think that this guy, I don't like him. I think he sucks. But he has a fair point. In as much as, like, Trump is obviously not the person, the populace that he was pretending to be.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

All of these, these actions are going to transfer more wealth to the people who already have wealth at the expense of the people who don't.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't think there is any way to move forward with any of these people on anything until this conversation begins with, oh, Trump has been lying the entire time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He did not start lying. He is not beginning to do anything. He lied to us from the jump.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

We have been wrong.

[Dan]

Well, you have. Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

The people who have been like, this guy sucks.

[Jordan]

Right? No, no, we nailed it. We nailed it. Right?

[Dan]

There's no need for an I told.

[Jordan]

You, I don't know, period. Just moving forward, we have to acknowledge that he was a liar then and that now that you know he was a liar, then in the future you can see other liars doing the same thing that he was doing.

[Dan]

Right. And we also need, in order to move forward, for Alex to admit that he knew that Trump was a liar.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

From at least 2016 on.

[Jordan]

They all did. They all did. They all knew.

[Dan]

Yeah. So another thing that this poll guy, this Mark Fella.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, another thing that he brings up is that there is a large divide between demographics and age cohorts. Sure. In terms of support for Israel.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The older people have a tendency to support Israel, and that is fair enough, I guess, from numbers. But the leap that they make from it is that, like, young people are just being rebellious.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Guest/Caller]

There's a crisis and people reorder society around a new value. So set. So I think Israel is a very deeply ingrained Boomer value. They saw the nation be formed, they supported it all through the years, and.

[Alex Jones]

It'S become a religious sacrament. And so the young people see that as a rebellion point. And do you think Netanyahu understands? Do you think Israel, I mean, the Gallup poll, most unpopular country in the world.

[Dan]

Do you.

[Alex Jones]

Do they understand how screwed they are? Because everything they do, we'll get Tucker. Carl's Wilson will. Will destroy him. Ha ha. We'll kill him like a fox in a hen house. I mean, that is the perfect thing to just supercharge hatred against Israel. I'm watching Israel literally destroy itself. And Napoleon said, never interrupt your enemy when they're, you know, destroying themselves or making a mistake. Well, I'm not their enemy. I mean, it's just. It's insane.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So now what?

[Guest/Caller]

That's literally it. And they're not going to be able to correct this problem because it's generational. And again, this isn't because the young people hate Israel. Israel. It's just because the young people realize that this is a very strongly held Boomer value that they can rebel against. They're literally just rebelling against the olds. And the Nick. Nick Fuente stuff is the perfect example. He took a group of people. He didn't make all the groipers. There have been strongly conservative disaffected men on the right for a long time. They say edgy things, and these were the people that got Trump in the White House. And nobody even realizes that the people on four channels, Chan, you know, became the people on Reddit that became the people pushing all the Trump memes. It's the same group of people. And Nick Fuentes, after, you know, Rumble and Twitter became more free. Nick Fuentes realized, well, I can, like, step in and be edgy and get attention. And so what did he do? He gave boomers a middle finger by acting anti Semitic or.

[Dan]

He's anti Semitic. Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Like, this is. This is. This is the fundamental thing.

[Dan]

Thing.

[Jordan]

They don't understand the idea of somebody just doing a thing.

[Dan]

Well, they actually, I think, are motivated not to understand.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Because if they did, it would indict their behavior.

[Jordan]

Right. It would. They would realize that they themselves are the same thing that they're complaining about.

[Dan]

Yeah. And at very, very least, enablers of that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If not outright supporters of hoping that it happens more.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that, that, that's like a really sad thing to see. Like. Oh, yeah, all this bigotry and shit is just youthful rebellion. I'm sure there's an element of it that's that, like, some percentage of people are lashing out in a rebellion against the olds or whatever, but pretending that there isn't some philosophical or actual problem beliefs.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That. That are involved here and are motivating people like Nick is pathetic. It's. It's not looking at, you know, what you're a part of.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's just, it's. And it's just one of those fundamental, like, I. From. From their worldview, from their point of view, I can never look at another person as having equal status. Right. So this person is incapable of thinking as good as I am. So what I'm doing is I'm giving them a premade excuse for why they're so dumber than me. And otherwise they would think clearly and agree with me. Right. So because the youth are rebellious, they're not thinking as smart as I am. Right. And every possible circumstance, this is where we're going. It's not that they're capable of thinking clearly. If they were, they wouldn't be anti Semitic. Right, right. Exactly.

[Dan]

And this is the problem with an interview with a pollster like this is that like. Like he can have numbers that say that the older generations are more supportive of Israel.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

But he doesn't have any numbers that support this interpretation that he's coming up with. No, this is opinion being presented through the voice of a statistician.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

And I just think it's opinion. It should be treated like that. And it's dumb.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's reading entrails.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's the same. It's the same concept as cutting open a lizard and being like, see, now you can now we know where the future is gonna go.

[Dan]

Except for one. When you stick on the topic of numbers, then you're kind of fine. Sure, numbers are useful and you can misuse them and whatever.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Trump's numbers are going down and Alex can feel it in the streets. And that's something you can't avoid when you're talking to a poll guy. And so Alex is like, fuck it, I'm gonna have to go, let's do it. I'm gonna have to go yell at the White House.

[Jordan]

The right, right.

[Alex Jones]

Trump's doing so much good on policies on the economy and so many things, but they have absolutely ignored Epstein that they, that now has come roaring back and their handling of that. And then now they're, they're, they're handling of Israel and, you know, the things Trump said and did, which I'm not going to belabor because I'll go back to our guest. But you're not my supporters. If you want to know about Epstein, you know, stuff like that, that. And I get it, he's 79 and we need Trump. I mean, listen, I'm not somebody that just bashes Trump because, oh, it'll be a big clip. Everything I say is because I absolutely believe it. I get criticized for not attacking Trump on every issue because I'm trying to balance this of, you know, compared to Kamala Harris's night and day. But now that he's starting to sink quickly, I mean, I'm going to have to really take it to him. And I was invited to Mar a Lago six months ago. The White House house. I'm supposed to be at what is tonight? I'm supposed to be at Mar A Lago tomorrow with some people. And I wasn't even gonna go. I guess I gotta go.

[Jordan]

I wasn't even go to the White House.

[Alex Jones]

Ah, I guess I'll probably just scream at him. And that's why a lot of times he doesn't really call me anymore. Because over the years I'll say, listen, you got traders, here's their names, damn it. I don't want to hear how great I am. Because, you know, he hit the five minute call. It's exactly five minutes and he's gonna pat you on the head and do this thing. And I'm just like, listen, I got kids.

[Dan]

I would stop calling too if I were. Yeah, that sounds like a bad phone call.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that does not sound enjoyable whatsoever.

[Dan]

I am just handle you and give you a little bit of like, oh, good boy. Pat you on the head. You're screaming at me about how you got kids.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And how there's traitors in the midst.

[Jordan]

You are a hungry dog. I leave you outside and I give you food from time to time. Do not try and come in the house.

[Dan]

Yeah. Don't piss over here.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

See, I don't, I don't know. Alex is going to go scream at Trump. This is going to work.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think so. I think it's about time they've had at it, you know?

[Dan]

Well, I think that the reason that Trump isn't behaving the way Alex wants is because Alex hasn't yelled at him.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, this is really going to bring back the Eightfold path. I think, you know, that that idea of right speech leads to right action. Alex, just even in the way like the administration is ignoring it. They're not ignoring it.

[Alex Jones]

Right?

[Dan]

Yeah, buddy, come on.

[Jordan]

If you are just, if you speak right, you're going to do right.

[Dan]

They're not ignoring it. Even by your own admission, where Trump said everyone who is a real follower of mine doesn't care about this, that's not ignoring.

[Jordan]

You called it a minor cover up at best.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. So Mark, the pollster fella, he's bringing up Nick Fuentes a bit about how he's just being rebellious. Of course, the anti Semitism is just.

[Guest/Caller]

Youthful and people should watch zoomers like go to the, go to YouTube, go to the streamers. Like I watch a few of them. I think asthma gold is really good. They have no political loyalty whatsoever. And they are also not conservative. We talked a lot about that polling on your show. Even the ones that voted for Trump are very socialistic. They want to nationalize industries. They want excess wealth confiscation.

[Alex Jones]

You know, loves Hitler, loves Stalin, loves strongman man, because that's what the youth. And this repeats the 20s, by the way, kids, when we go through these patterns, you, these strong men, you get giant wars and total death instruction. So that's why older people, I don't mean the boomers that are, you know, not all of them are so secure.

[Jordan]

What are we doing?

[Alex Jones]

Watch their football games. But I mean, real technicians like Mark Mitchell that's run major companies, people that have been around, like myself, we've studied history. This doesn't go well. And, and, and so, and so this, this fascination with black uniforms and, you know, marching armies, it's not fun.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah. You know, and I think you got to look at nuance. Like what specifically his, his real platform is. I don't watch him, but he Had a clip. And it's like a lot of that is just shock value to rebel against the zoomers. But what these people are asking for is a return to justice. They're asking for like some type of equivalent, some blowback to the complete lack of justice and the two tiered justice. They're looking for economic opportunity and they're looking, quite frankly, for identitarianism. And that's something that a lot of people haven't talked about and it was kind of interesting.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. Young people have lost their identity and I'm not even trying to criticize Nick. I was going towards a danger point there and just using that as a larger example.

[Dan]

It's great for Alex to let the guy talk when he's saying that they just want to end to the two tiered justice system and economic opportunity. But as soon as he says identitarianism, Alex has got to cut that off because it's kind of clear that that is a major part of what. What they want. So, yeah, I think this guy's just wrong.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Unless his point was going to go on from the identitarianism to be like, they want a white country.

[Jordan]

Right. Absolutely.

[Dan]

Unless he was gonna expound on that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Which I'm dubious of.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's entirely possible that he's thinking more along the lines of, like, the kids want people to respect gender concepts and identities and all of that stuff.

[Dan]

Based on the rest of his interview, I don't think so.

[Jordan]

Okay. Okay. Because that does. There's only two options. Right. There's like, I'm using identitarianism as a way of saying these white people just really love whites.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Or like how fine. I'll say they, you know, like, there's very few middle grounds there.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think, I think that they are still, like, no matter what they mean. There's just a desire to be like the kids, they don't mean it.

[Jordan]

I, I mean, I, like, I don't even know how many generations there are now because I think people used to have like the three generations of the, the old, you know, the witches. You had the maiden, the mother and the crone. You know, it feels like the maidens, like 50 generations at this point. You know, like the 8 year olds have complaints about the 10 year olds. They're like, we. We live in different ecosystems.

[Dan]

They should.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Alex Jones]

They were.

[Dan]

One of them was in middle school during COVID and the other one was in elementary. Right. Like, it's totally, completely different. Yeah. Yeah. You can't finger paint on Zoom.

[Jordan]

Who Yeah. Who could possibly be like, oh, the youths and have a block.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Who fucking knows what each individual lunatic they are is, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah. And what lunatic ness and you know, maybe even some grand great things may manifest within 5 to 10 years from totally whatever they've experienced, you know?

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's. Let the kids do what they're always going to fucking do and quit bitching about them.

[Dan]

Yeah. And stop trying to cover your ass about how you're enabling Nazis by pretending that they're racist.

[Jordan]

They're just rebellious. Yeah, it's just rebellious. Yeah.

[Dan]

So a lot of this, this interview ends up being like, shit's bad for Trump.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so Alex ends by joking about killing himself.

[Alex Jones]

Mark Mitchell, amazing interview. We're raising the bat signal, you know, out to Trump. Ellen, everybody, this is serious. Thank you so much.

[Guest/Caller]

Great to be here. Thanks.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, now let's all go slit our wrists. I'm not going to commit suicide. They kill me today. I'd never give a suicide. That's a metaphorical thing. It's an analogy that actually going to jump out of a building. I'm joking. All right, folks, were.

[Jordan]

Is that joking?

[Dan]

Doing good?

[Jordan]

Is that joking?

[Dan]

Balls and strikes. That one's a strike.

[Jordan]

Okay. So I mean, I think it's just.

[Dan]

A recognition of things are being. Things are bad.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure. But I'm saying if I'm Alex and I am there, you know, it'd be fun to leave behind an eternal mystery of like. No, he didn't. Sure, right. That's how you want. That's how I would want to go. I would want no one to ever know for sure.

[Dan]

Right. You would have to kill yourself in like the most implausible way.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep.

[Dan]

Because you'd want to be the thing that is a riddle forever.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. You want to, you want everybody to make a documentary indicting a different three letter organization for your murder.

[Dan]

Yeah. The problem is that no one would do that now. No, no, it like he couldn't. I don't think he could generate a mystery.

[Jordan]

Yeah, man. Man, that's dark.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's.

[Jordan]

That's dark. It would make me want to throw myself out a window.

[Dan]

Yeah. Defenestration.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So because this conversation ended up involving Nick a little bit and about how his Nazism isn't real. It's kind of insincere. Yep. Alex comes back after this break, this commercial break, talking about Nick a little.

[Alex Jones]

Okay. I literally, in the last year and a half had private conversations with Nick Fuentes and I told him A lot of stuff I thought was going to happen, most of it came true. So he got a little more, I think, respect for me. He's always respected me. And I think Nick's a really smart, funny guy. And, you know, with all the attacks on Christians and conservatives saying we're Satan, our DNA is bad. You can't say anything bad about him when he says all his racist stuff. I mean, just, you're the ones that created this atmosphere. I'm not engaged because I see where it goes long term.

[Dan]

Oh, so his stuff is racist.

[Jordan]

So if I understand correctly, the people who didn't say the stuff that you believe they said are at fault for the things that you believe Nick Fuentes actually means about what he actually said.

[Dan]

Right. Yeah. And, you know, let's talk about Right speech here a little bit too. When you say that you're not involved in it. You're very involved.

[Jordan]

Wow. I'm a little involved.

[Dan]

Alex doesn't have, you know, friendly, frequent interviews with people who think white people are the devil.

[Jordan]

Sure. I have him on every couple of weeks. All right, so I'm a little involved. So maybe he's now a recurring guest on my show. Another way of putting that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So like a paid regular would be another way of describing something along those lines.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Totally uninvolved.

[Jordan]

Yeah, uninvolved.

[Dan]

And Trump is silent, ignoring things.

[Jordan]

Well, he's ignoring it.

[Dan]

So Alex gets. He does an interview with Viva Fry. I don't care. It's just about how Canada's a mess.

[Jordan]

Oh, Canada is going to struggle.

[Dan]

And we get to the third hour and Alex is like, I still really haven't covered this Epstein stuff for obvious reasons. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, boy. All right. I did not get to the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. I mean, I covered it. Did you do the deep dive here? And I said this earlier in the hour I said. Or last hour, I said, should I even defend Trump on this?

[Jordan]

No.

[Alex Jones]

I'm asking myself that right now.

[Jordan]

Don't.

[Alex Jones]

Because he's not involved with these underage girls.

[Jordan]

Yes, he is.

[Alex Jones]

Is days of evidence to even cover. And the new stuff they brought out, that's the top story everywhere. Oh, God. He's caught red handed. And you read it and already know the backstory. It's exculpatory. It makes Trump look good because it's what happened. And they would have already used this stuff on him if they had it. So it's an interesting story. It shows how the corporate media lies and spins. I think we already know they do that. Should I Even do this.

[Dan]

No, no, no, no, no. The answer is no.

[Jordan]

Do you know how bad it is? I officially can say, go fuck yourself, Michael Wolf. Just because he sent an email to the guy. I don't need extra details. There's no other information I need. Fuck that guy.

[Dan]

I think this is some real existential business for Alex where he's struggling with. With, like, should I even. Should I even fucking do this? He's trying to articulate it as Trump is so innocent. Should I even defend him?

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

That's obviously not right. What's going on?

[Jordan]

No. He's so fucking guilty. Even I am struggling to come up with any possible way to not say, this man is obviously guilty.

[Dan]

Yeah. And to deny, like, that there's more information that is going to come out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And.

[Dan]

And, like, it's just. It's just a guy who's like, fuck, he's trapped. There's no other way to put it. Like, he wants to jump out a window.

[Jordan]

We're reaching. Can God create a mountain so big he can't move it? Territory on how fucking guilty this guy is.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's so fucking guilty.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There's no other way to describe it.

[Dan]

And Alex is like, there are other white supremacists people that Alex could rally behind.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

There's other leaders he could jump to, J.D. vance or whatever. There's plenty of options available for him to choose a new God King kind of guy. The fact that he doesn't is weird to me.

[Jordan]

I think it's an admission that none of them are funny. It's an admission that none of them have any charisma. It's an admission that for whatever reason, Trump's specific brand of douchebaggery resonates with a specific person and they cannot recreate it.

[Dan]

Well, I think that's part of it. Definitely. That's definitely part of the charm that people are personally into.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think it's also a belief that Alex has that any other politician would not help him. Like, if he goes to jail, Trump will probably get him out of jail.

[Jordan]

Trump will pardon him.

[Dan]

He pardoned Roger.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Vampire wouldn't.

[Jordan]

See, that's why you want a corrupt president.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Is because you're on the side of the good corruption. Right.

[Dan]

I think that that's maybe what I feel.

[Jordan]

And yeah, you're right. Because if. If somebody had helped get Obama elected in the same way that Stone did, Obama would distance himself.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

And be like, that was never. Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Trump is the only one who's like fuck. Yeah, I'll pardon him.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What are you gonna do, my guy? What are you gonna do about it?

[Dan]

Everyone from January 6th, you got it done.

[Jordan]

What are you gon it? Fucking nothing. That's what you're going to do about it.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I think that Alex has every reason to think that if anyone would get his back.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Just out of spite.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It would be Trump.

[Jordan]

That would be. Oh, man, that is. That's a big trump card.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Strongly intended.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Trump's covering up the Epstein stuff, which is the deep dive, I guess.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But it's cool.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Alex Jones]

Because Trump, with Ratcliffe for Israel and the CIA, not as Mossad in the.

[Jordan]

Conservatory, are covering it up for national.

[Alex Jones]

Security because of how many big corporate leaders are involved. It's not Trump. So I've said it. I'm not holding my nose on Trump. He's in there. He's way better than Kamala. But I'm going to cover this stuff. He is. His administration is covering up the intel connection and the head of Harvard and all these other hedge fund people, most of them Democrats, almost all of them. Because Trump has been convinced it's too damaging to bring out. And then there's some back leverage on the bad guys like the King of England and his brother to make them play ball. Well, it don't look like they're playing ball. Doesn't look like your blackmail work too good because you're getting. It's being used on you and that's why Trump's so pissed.

[Jordan]

Wait, what?

[Alex Jones]

Which I said that's one of the things he might do.

[Jordan]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Alex Jones]

Brings it all out. Damn the torpedoes go straight at him just to be done by the heavens fall. That's what I do. What? Or he tries to manage it because, you know, he didn't want to bring down the whole country. Well, the COVID up is what's going to bring down the country. So I already war game this. I hit it hole in one.

[Jordan]

And.

[Alex Jones]

I guess I'll just go through it quickly and maybe I'll do a longer report because it's, it's, I did so much preparation for this. It's, it's, it's hard to just kind of skim over it, which still my skimming over it will be the deepest, deepest dive anybody does on it. Which is again, super frustrating because I see all these idiots that don't know anything. And I'm not saying that from pleasure. I'm like, why do I know so much more than everybody, man?

[Dan]

It's Got to be tough. He's too smart to live.

[Jordan]

Okay, okay. Now if I'm maybe, maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm crazy because to me, what I just heard this guy say, right. Is that despite having screamed for years and years and years about being a populist, yada, yada yada, who's against the global steep state, yada yada yada, who hates corruption, yada yada, you know, the whole thing.

[Alex Jones]

Right, right.

[Dan]

That's his whole thing.

[Jordan]

Despite all of that, if I were in power, I would do everything the same way that they did. That's the smart thing to do.

[Dan]

No, Alex is saying for himself he would release everything and just let the chips fall where they may. I don't believe him. Okay, but that's what he's saying, right?

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

He's saying that Trump is either like totally involved in the COVID up, right. Or he's taking the blackmail to use it against Prince or King Charles.

[Jordan]

Right. How do you like that blackmail ball?

[Dan]

And it's not working because people are using it against Trump. So like he's saying that those are the two options of what Trump is doing.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Whereas for him he would damn the torpedoes.

[Jordan]

Right, Right.

[Dan]

Straight ahead.

[Jordan]

Okay, okay.

[Dan]

It's bullshit.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it makes a little more, makes his behavior a little bit less incongruous with his character.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that, I got that backwards.

[Dan]

Yeah. But it's still him saying like he is this guy who hates corruption.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And all this shit. But if the guy that you elected and staked your entire career on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Decides to go with the deep state, maybe.

[Jordan]

What is the implication of saying that that is a smart move? You know what I mean?

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

You'd have to think it's stupid.

[Jordan]

You, you can't think that it is a smart move and also think that you would do something different without thinking that the thing you would do is stupid in comparison to the smart move. Right.

[Dan]

Unless they're like real close.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Dan]

You know, both are.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, hey, if you, if you're in a toss up, it, I'll do the one that I want to do. I get what you're saying there.

[Dan]

Yeah. I, I, it's, it's tough because I think he's trying to appeal to is that there would be huge consequences.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. What would happen is everything that you have desired to happen to the government since we started this whole Trump thing 10 years ago.

[Dan]

What happened?

[Jordan]

He released that information.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You would get everything you want, which.

[Dan]

Would be A big change.

[Jordan]

Right. And you would hate that. To get everything that you wanted since the beginning. That was the whole reason that this journey.

[Dan]

I mean, ironically. Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

[Dan]

Alex would have no reason to exist. There would be no, like, secret conspiracy that's behind the scenes that only he's smart enough to have smelled out. Like, so. Yeah, of course he doesn't want that.

[Jordan]

His existence is predicated on their existence. That they don't exist means he has an eternal job security.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So we have one last clip, and it's Alex. Just like he is in nothing but damage control.

[Alex Jones]

Well, it turns out we have the emails now, and this is the. The best they had. They say in a couple days, a week, they're gonna release it all. But the first thing they release is Epstein talking to the guy writing an anti Trump book. Wolf. And it's. Yeah, Trump was really mad. I was getting girls out of his club and, you know, his wife was mad. Everybody else was mad at me. And so he dropped a dime on me. That's what the emails say. I'll show them to you. But when you read Drudge Report or watch cnn, it's, oh, Epstein emails claim Trump knew about the girls, spent hours with the victim. Well, yeah, they worked at Margo. And the victim said Trump never did anything to him. And the other victims said that. And out of the hundreds, only two were ever at Margo. But you read these headlines, you think he's totally guilty.

[Dan]

So the email never says that Trump dropped a dime on him. Alex is just adding that so it works better for the narrator.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Also, the email doesn't say that Trump spent time with one of the victims at Mar a Lago. It specifically says that he spent hours with her at Epstein's house. Alex is lying about this because if he didn't, it would be very hard to spin. Yeah, it makes sense.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Dan]

The reason that Epstein would say that he spent hours with one of the victims is because she worked at Mar A Lago.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

Duh.

[Dan]

That's the innocent explanation.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But it's defending against the wrong claim.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Said it's at Epstein's house.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It feels like this is him, like modeling argument behavior for you.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, take this argument with you whenever. Whenever your libtard friends are like, but, but her emails, then you can go, actually, but you know, that whole thing.

[Dan]

You might be able to get someone who doesn't. Hasn't read them or whatever. Unconfident and on their back foot.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And that's going to be good enough for whatever altercation you get in.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It's not good enough for analysis, though.

[Jordan]

No, no. And it's not good enough for that argument because regardless of, like, whether or not you're ready to understand the analysis, the fundament, that it exists at all is the problem that you can't erase. You know, like, there's no way to get around this. These are emails about Trump and Epstein being in the same place with children. You know, like, that shouldn't exist.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I honestly think that there is no real reason to ever give a positive explanation for being associated with Epstein, knowing that he was recruiting minors out of your resort and not, like, having a history of scorched earth against the person. Like, if you don't try to kill them, then you're complicit. Yeah. Essentially. Like, there's. There's no version of this history that isn't like. Well, it's a small response that you had.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Absolutely not.

[Dan]

You go to the press and talk about how Jeffrey Epstein likes him young.

[Jordan]

I mean, Jesus.

[Dan]

Make jokes about it. Right, Right. About mysteries and friendship riddles in a birthday book. Like, you don't do this shit.

[Jordan]

How is it. How is it possible that there aren't just no. Fuck. Oh, man. You know, it's like, it feels like there could be automatic guide rails in place for shit like, oh, this guy's associated with a pedophile billionaire. Like, that feels like something that. If we're going to venerate the founding father, others. I think I could have thought of that day one. No pedophile, super rich people, guys just. I know it seems. It seems like a bit much right now to put in the preamble, but I swear it's going to pay off.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah, it would be good. Yeah, it would be good. I think it's. It should be across the aisle type of issue.

[Jordan]

I feel like I've connected with everybody, regardless of political beliefs, for most of my entire life about, hey, no pedophile billionaires. Somehow now in the year 2025, there's ambiguity about this.

[Dan]

Mm. Yep. I think we were lulled into a false sense of security because, like, Dennis Hastert was. Got in trouble.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You got one.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think it made. It made people feel like, we've got.

[Jordan]

We've got it.

[Dan]

People will take this serious.

[Jordan]

Yeah. We grabbed. We got one, so we can. We can do it again. Yeah.

[Dan]

So I think. I think with Alex, there's just like, this is sad. I don't. I don't have any like desire to rebut him or.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or to like debunk whatever he's saying because it's meaningless. Like this is a disconnected from his sole person.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

There is nothing about the career that he built, the, the fake integrity that he wore as a costume that would be able to be like, he's involved in the Epstein cover up now but not before. Yep. Like that's ludicrous. You, you've lost the game and given up already. And that's generally how I feel about him.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I, I mean I agree with you. I think the one problem that I have with this is that to me, once you've reached what should be rock paper bottom, licking the boots of an Epstein cover up, that feels rock bottomy.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And if you, if you have another choice that takes you lower and you take that choice, to me that is like, well, fuck it, let's dive.

[Dan]

Hanging out with a child Nazi.

[Jordan]

Yeah, let's, let's. No more, no more stair steps down to the bottom, baby. I'm going head first. We're going to try and find as deep as this pool goes. Goes. And I'm going to be a crazy person.

[Dan]

Yeah, you know, that would be fun. But I think Alex has such a sense of himself as the hero that he could never consciously go downward. Like he would never be able to like villainize himself and be like, I'm.

[Alex Jones]

Going, I'm going down the bottom. Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's his dramatic irony. Every, every heroic step he thinks he takes up is too down.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I, I guess he's just gotta shoot for the stars.

[Alex Jones]

Keep on dreaming, Alex.

[Jordan]

Keep on dream bigger dreams. You're gonna get that painting show, buddy.

[Dan]

Yeah. Come on man, you can do it. So anyway, we'll check back in and see how he deals with the further emails that get released.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ. What a world.

[Dan]

But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the Sex Robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.

[Dan]

I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.