#1101: November 22, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1101: November 22, 2025

Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Dan and Jordan
Episode Theme: Dan and Jordan dissect Alex Jones’ emergency Saturday show addressing Marjorie Taylor Greene’s resignation from Congress, Trump’s reaction, and the convoluted drama swirling between right-wing media personalities.

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Main Theme / Overview

This episode unpacks Alex Jones’ (and InfoWars’) deeply conflicted, rambling response to Marjorie Taylor Greene’s (MTG) high-profile resignation. With her departure triggering fractures across the MAGA and right-wing media world, Dan and Jordan explore how Jones fumbles between defending Trump, trying to scapegoat DOJ Deputy AG Todd Blanche, and expressing odd personal grievances. The episode is a portrait of MAGA media in crisis as Alex Jones, unable to reconcile loyalty to Trump and admiration for those who "stand on principle," spins out defense mechanisms and metaphors, revealing deeper tensions and decline within the conspiracy ecosystem.

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Show Structure & Tone

• Conversational, irreverent analysis: Banter-heavy, with sarcastic asides and extended tangents about cheese, coats, and movies.
• Detailed play-by-play of Alex Jones broadcasts: Dan and Jordan intercut audio clips from InfoWars and break down Jones's confused, combative logic regarding MTG, Trump, and right-wing dynamics.
• Meta-commentary on the alt-right mediascape: Frequent step-backs to discuss how conspiracy culture and its internal power dynamics are shifting.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Cheese, Coats & the “Bright Spot” (00:55–06:21)

• The show opens with light “bright spot” banter—Jordan’s new (green!) coat and Dan’s recurring cheese advent calendar.
• Dan realizes that, after 12 days, all cheese tastes mostly the same to him.
  • “[Cheese] is good, is the lesson here.” (Jordan, 03:54)
  • “The strongest feeling that I’ve gotten was one of the days I opened one of them, and the cheese just said goat.” (Dan, 04:06)
• The mundane warmth of this segment highlights the looming absurdity of the main content and provides comedic contrast.

2. News Context: MTG Quits, Trump Turns on Her (09:23–15:36)

• Background: Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG), once a fiercely loyal Trump ally, resigns after Trump attacks her for insisting on Epstein files’ release, targets her as a “traitor,” and backs a primary challenger.
• Jordan and Dan’s summary of her resignation letter:
  • MTG claims “America First” is not the same as “Make America Great Again”—accuses Trump of selling out, says she won’t be the “battered wife,” and bows out after securing her pension.
• Interpretation:
  • Dan: “Quitting is always an option and that breaking with Trump is possible. This is the last thing that Alex needed right now because it only further illustrates how captured his show is.” (14:10)
• MTG’s move exposes how fickle “principles” are among MAGA loyalists and puts Jones in an impossible bind: does he hate MTG for “betraying” Trump, or praise her for sticking to "principles"?

3. Alex Jones' Dilemma: Torn Between MTG and Trump (15:49–26:13)

• Jones’ On-Air Crisis:
  • Emergency “Red alert” broadcast—Alex frames MTG as a person of “incredible integrity” leaving because she can’t be part of the “lesser of two evils.” (20:07)
  • Dan calls this a huge misstep: “If Marjorie Taylor Greene is resigning because she can’t accept the lesser of two evil stuff, that just means that Alex is making peace with the lesser of two evils.” (20:11)
• Alex publicly flounders, announcing he’ll “have to reflect on this and pray about it,” and claims he’s “inches away from not supporting Trump anymore… but… I love Trump.” (22:23)
• Reality: he’s waiting to see if MTG’s move pays off before possibly following suit—instead of taking a meaningful stand.

4. Blame-Shifting: Todd Blanche and Ed Martin (27:46–32:58)

• Jones attempts to reframe MTG’s exit (and his own discomfort) as the work of “deep state” bad actors, particularly Deputy AG Todd Blanche, who is investigating Ed Martin for leaking DOJ material.
• Dan: “This will be the way that Alex tries to market his own quitting Team Trump. If it comes to that, it will all be Todd Blanche’s fault.” (31:02)
• The scapegoating is transparent (per Jordan: “If he says ‘I’m not getting this [from Ed Martin]’, then… that’s the name he is getting it from.” (21:56)).
• Dan skewers the meta-conspiracy-board dynamics: “There’s no monoculture of, like, conspiracy shit… Now everybody has their own boards… his board is just an option of 100 different boards that are internally inconsistent.” (32:12)

5. Jones’ Martyr Narrative—Persecution Complex (33:10–41:38)

• Jones the Persecuted: Rants about being targeted with grand juries by Letitia James and “deep state” cohorts; says he only speeds “maybe 10 miles over,” brags about 200 “street IQ” (35:05), and claims he’s a victim “fighting for the country.”
• Dan’s Rebuke: “Everyone [at Jan 6th] got away lucky; in many circumstances, that should have turned into a bloodbath.” (36:07)
• Flawed Hero Complex: Riffs that he’d be “fine with the globalists if they were just like Boss Hogg”—but this actually exposes Jones’ comfort with local-style, racist, petty tyranny.

6. Descending Into Metaphor: Dracula, Attack Dogs, and Incoherence (44:11–54:43)

• Escalating Metaphors:
  • Jones: “You can pull your pecker out and have me suck it so you feel powerful. I don’t know how to suck your dick, Blanche.” (44:44)
  • (Callback to earlier: “I don’t know how to suck Obama’s dick.” [09:44])
• Jones compares Todd Blanche to Dracula, now forced to be in the “sunlight” (public scrutiny), predicting his “metaphorical” demise—metaphor becomes veiled threat: “There isn’t a compromise you can make with Dracula… only thing you can do is kill him first.” (50:51)
• Dan: “Alex can scream about how he can’t suck a dick… but… he can’t say certain things about Trump.” (77:13)
• The aggressive innuendo and stitched-together villains are all attempts to deflect from engaging meaningfully with Trump or MTG’s actions.

7. Irreconcilable Loyalties and the “Freedom” Illusion (54:45–79:01)

• Jones floats the notion he “might stop supporting Trump” but never follows through. He’s trapped as a media surrogate: “There’s no light switch… You got to change your name.” (78:35)
• Jordan: “At this point, regardless of what decision he does make… there was a time to leave. That time passed. So he is responsible. Even if he leaves now, it is meaningless.” (79:01)
• As “freedom of commentary” comes to define online influence, Jones becomes less free—his ties to the Trump machine prevent him from speaking freely, even as he claims the opposite.

8. MTG, Trump, and the Epstein Quagmire (61:53–68:15)

• Alex admits, via “inside baseball,” that Trump covered up Epstein material because “business partners… not him” were involved, and doesn’t want those skeletons out.
  • “Trump never touched an underage girl… but he thinks these people are so high-powered, will bring the country down, and his goal is to save the country. We have a disagreement…” (62:00)
• Dan: “If your business partners are deeply involved in money laundering with a guy who ran a sex trafficking and blackmail operation, then you’re almost definitely also involved… This is not the defense Alex wants it to be.” (67:26)
• This rationalization—Trump is corrupt, but so are “the institutions,” and he “just wants to run them”—crystallizes how Team Trump loyalists have normalized criminality.

9. MAGAworld Infighting: Laura Loomer, Women, and Collapse (69:11–74:50)

• Alex lashes out at Laura Loomer for celebrating MTG’s exit, then blames “women fighting” for bringing down empires:
  • “Old as the Bible or older, women fighting each other and bringing down empires. I tell you, absolutely insane.” (72:02)
• Jordan: “Name all those empires brought down by women fighting. I’ll take my answer off air.” (72:28)
• Analysis: MAGAworld cannibalizes itself, and Alex’s gendered scapegoating only underscores the lack of any meaningful explanation or accountability.

10. Roger Stone: Alone with the Microphone (74:08–75:02)

• Roger Stone is left confused as Alex simply ghosts from the segment, showing how fragile these alliances are and how desperately Alex is avoiding direct friction with those in Trump’s inner circle.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“If Marjorie Taylor Greene is resigning because she can’t accept the lesser of two evil stuff, that just means that Alex is making peace with the lesser of two evils.”
— Dan (20:11)

“I’m gonna have to reflect on this and I’m gonna have to pray about it… when I do get conflicted on something, I just have to go to God with it and pray about it a lot.”
— Alex Jones (22:23)

“You can pull your pecker out and have me suck it so you feel powerful. I don’t know how to suck your dick, Blanche.”
— Alex Jones (44:44)

“Trump never touched an underage girl… but he thinks these people are so high powered, will bring the country down, and his goal is to save the country… so he thinks covering it up…”
— Alex Jones (62:00)

“At this point, regardless of what decision he does make in the future, there was a time to leave. That time passed. So he is responsible. Even if he leaves now, it is meaningless.”
— Jordan (79:01)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:55 – 06:21: “Bright spot” banter, cheese wars, coat magic.
• 09:23 – 15:36: Marjorie Taylor Greene’s resignation, context and implications.
• 20:07 – 22:46: Alex flounders—“I may stop supporting Trump,” self-doubt and “prayer.”
• 27:46 – 32:58: Scapegoating deep state, Todd Blanche, and info board chaos.
• 35:05 – 41:38: Jones’ persecution complex and Boss Hogg comparison.
• 44:44 & 09:44: “I don’t know how to suck your dick, Blanche / Obama” motif.
• 50:51 – 54:43: Dracula metaphor, sunlight as Trumpist mob attention.
• 61:53 – 68:15: Alex admits Trump covering up Epstein for “business partners.”
• 72:02 – 72:28: “Women fighting bring down empires”—absurd scapegoating.
• 74:08 – 75:02: Roger Stone left hanging, sign of growing MAGA/MAGA surrogate instability.
• 77:13 – 79:01: Dan/Jordan on “freedom” vs. sycophancy, the irreversibility of Alex’s choices.

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Summary: The Big Picture

Knowledge Fight #1101 exposes the unraveling of right-wing grifter media logic amid real fractures. Alex Jones is a man cornered by the reality MTG’s “principles” interject into MAGA world, unable to mount a convincing defense—vacillating between prayerful indecision, bizarre, aggressive metaphors, and transparent scapegoating of “the deep state.” The episode is a case study in how conspiracy culture’s “revolutionary” self-image collapses into petty self-preservation, finger-pointing, and confused impotence as battle lines shift and alliances fracture.

Final Takeaways

• Dan: Jones’ conflict isn’t about principles, but about whether following MTG out is “profitable” for him.
• Jordan: The time for “leaving Trump” with integrity is long passed. Jones is irredeemably complicit now.
• Metaview: MAGA media’s power has fractured—there’s no more monoculture; internal policing is impossible as everyone scrambles to maintain influence, shifting blame and alliances with increasing desperation.

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Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Nop. Nope. Nop. Knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge My fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy.

[Dan]

Andy.

[Alex Jones]

Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello, Alex. I'm a fish.

[Jordan]

Tim. Colin.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan.

[Dan]

Jordan. Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Why don't you go first?

[Jordan]

My bright spot.

[Dan]

That's this month. It's all about you going first.

[Jordan]

Wow. Because your bright spot seems to be consistently of the cheese related. I don't want to foreshadow too much. My bright spot is my wife. Guy streak continues. She purchased for me this amazing coat.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

It's very, very nice.

[Dan]

Greenish.

[Jordan]

There's so many pockets. There are hidden pockets. That's what I'm all about. Any good coat has pockets that you don't know about to keep your wallet.

[Dan]

You as an owner of the coat.

[Jordan]

No, there should be a magical like you should be able to flip it out twice in a way that only somebody who's. Who's already aware of the magic of coats.

[Dan]

My pockets. Got pockets.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Absolutely. And those should be somewhat mystical in origin.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Absolutely.

[Dan]

Nice. Well, I think it looks great. There are so good that you're ripping me off by getting a coat also.

[Jordan]

I am not. I'm not ripping anybody off. I just walked into a.

[Alex Jones]

You.

[Jordan]

So did I. I just stole my. Exactly. You're a coat. That's fair. That's fair. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'm a cohack. I'll live. I'll live like that.

[Dan]

It's. It's. You were saying that almost always you have black coats.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

A little bit of departure. It is quite a difference to see you in a different color.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I didn't even realize how much it would be.

[Jordan]

No, I've. I'VE worn a black coat for literally 20 years. So this is a whole new. This is a whole new world of colors.

[Dan]

Hey, it's opening up. Living in the world. Yep.

[Jordan]

So that's my bright spot. How are you feeling?

[Dan]

About what?

[Jordan]

About your coat, about the year, about the date, about foodstuffs.

[Dan]

Do you want to ask me what my bright spot is?

[Jordan]

Yes, I do.

[Dan]

Okay. My bright spot, Jordan, is. Of course it is December 12th.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And so the cheese advent calendar marches along.

[Jordan]

Okay. Cheese advent calendar is nice. That one's pretty good.

[Dan]

Thank you so much, David.

[Jordan]

Yep. Thank you very much, David.

[Dan]

What a fun. Cynthia. Cheese advent calendar sting. I'm learning something along the way.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Tell me about it.

[Dan]

I don't really. I can't tell the difference between a lot of cheeses. Right. I think they're fine. I like cheese. Sure. I have not. My. My love of cheese has not been diminished by this exercise in any way, and I'm thrilled to continue it, of course, but there is a part of me that thought I would be, like, gaining a respect and appreciation for all these different cheeses.

[Jordan]

Okay. Okay.

[Dan]

And it has not happened. I think they're all very, very similar and good, but very similar.

[Jordan]

Cheese is good, is the lesson here.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But cheese is essentially moldy milk at the end of the day.

[Dan]

I don't have any, like, real strong or, like, front runners or anything.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I like. The strongest feeling that I've gotten was one of the days I opened one of them, and the cheese just said goat.

[Jordan]

Just said goat.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I thought that was fine.

[Jordan]

Did the cheese itself say goat?

[Dan]

No, it. But it didn't say goat cheese. It didn't say, like, chevre or anything. It just said goat. Like, this is just a goat.

[Jordan]

I like it.

[Dan]

It's not the greatest of all time. It was fine.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But anyway, we have Today's cheese day 12, and this is. I'm pretty excited about this.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

This is cheddar with cracked pepper.

[Jordan]

Cheddar with cracked pepper, which I think.

[Dan]

Just, like, delicious winning combination.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's just a delicious kind of cheese.

[Dan]

And so here is the part of my bright spot. Jordan vamps.

[Jordan]

All right, well, what you brought up earlier about not being able to differentiate cheeses reminds me a lot of Somaliers. Right. So whenever you are giving a wine pairing by an actual fucking sommelier, which has only happened to me twice or something like that, they give you a description of the soils, they give you a description of the grapes and, like, the mouthfeel of the specific grapes in the Region. Absolutely. It's crazy how they can do that and other people can confirm that they do that. So you don't think for sure that it's just a bunch of people fucking with you. Right. You don't think that it's for sure a bunch of people fucking with you, but you kind of think because when you taste it, you go, it tastes a lot like wine, that there may be fucking with you. And maybe they're just making it all of that shit up at any given point in time.

[Dan]

Well, you can't get those fine notes when you're chugging it.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Well, that's fair.

[Dan]

That's your problem.

[Jordan]

I lived a different life than a sommelier. I will admit that. We have very different priorities when it comes to drinking.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That was good.

[Jordan]

That was good cheese. It was just cheddar with cracked pepper.

[Dan]

It had enough cracked pepper in it that it really did fundamentally change the cheddar.

[Jordan]

The cheddar. Enos. Yeah.

[Dan]

You got a. Got a good pepper feel in there.

[Jordan]

That's good stuff. Woo. Which brings us ever closer to the day we have chosen to believe that our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ was born.

[Dan]

Well, we're halfway through the calendar, so that makes 12. 12 out of 24. And now we got this cracked pepper.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, man.

[Dan]

It is solid.

[Jordan]

Those. It is coming up.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Time is moving fast.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's pretty fucking insane.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Okay. And apologies for our Monday episode. Milo, we'll get back to Alex. Sorry.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, somehow that's the relief.

[Dan]

Yeah. So here we're going to be talking about November 22, 2025. This is Saturday. Alex should have the day off, but instead, Marjorie Taylor Greene has quit.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And he's got to get on air and do something.

[Jordan]

We have reached the day that shit has finally gotten real.

[Dan]

Yeah. So we'll get to business on this. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Suzanne from Australia. I can probably marry one of you to GRE green card you out of the country. The snakes aren't a problem, but the spontaneous combustion is. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much.

[Dan]

Jordan is already married, but that's true. I feel like I shouldn't talk about this on air lest it ruin my ability to actually do this. That's a good point.

[Jordan]

That is a good point.

[Dan]

You feign love. Yeah. Next. Nate Dog, AKA Aussie Matt Damon. Thank you so much. You're an app. Aussie wonky.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And hey, Josh, don't break your ta' u army like a loser little titty baby. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

And we got a 10th grade in the mix, Jordan, So thank you so much to Dr. Duct Tape Hands. Not a real doctor, but I needed a costume for a college Halloween party and all I had was duct tape and a stethoscope. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. 4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you so very much.

[Dan]

Did you ever play Edward 40 hands?

[Jordan]

No, I did not. I have no idea what you're talking.

[Dan]

You don't know what Edward Forty Hands is?

[Jordan]

Oh, yep. Back. That.

[Dan]

What do you think?

[Jordan]

I'm back. I'm back.

[Dan]

What do you think it is?

[Jordan]

You tape some 40s to your hands, you better believe it.

[Dan]

Both worri.

[Jordan]

You need somebody else to help you with the second one.

[Dan]

Oh, yes, you do.

[Jordan]

You can't do that. You can't do both by.

[Dan]

And then you can't take them off until they're both empty.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And so it's a race.

[Jordan]

Was that also part of the Edward Scissors Hands thing? You have to cut enough hair to get the scissors off.

[Dan]

But Edward Scissors Hands didn't drink too. Like, it's. Well, for obvious reasons, you're just dumb college kids.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep.

[Dan]

I did that a couple times.

[Jordan]

You did that a couple of times. That's too many times. That's one too many times.

[Dan]

The first time. I'm so glad my friends were there.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Because I wanted to slam them together in celebration.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep, yep, yep. No, that makes sense, because I had.

[Dan]

Drank two 40s and I didn't realize, like, oh, wow. That would slice my hand off.

[Jordan]

The disaster of disaster.

[Dan]

So thankfully someone talked me down from that.

[Jordan]

That's nice.

[Dan]

Yep. So, anyway, here we are.

[Jordan]

It would be different to do this show if you had a hook hand.

[Dan]

Yeah. Better.

[Jordan]

Yeah, maybe.

[Dan]

So before we get to today's episode, I have a couple of out of context drops.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Dan]

For you. So here's the first one.

[Alex Jones]

People that don't know this shows, like, jazz.

[Dan]

Yeah, man.

[Jordan]

It's about the words. You don't say.

[Dan]

Yeah. Scatting, improvisational. This is like jazz.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know how to suck Obama's dick. I can't do it.

[Dan]

I don't know how. I can't do it.

[Jordan]

That raises a lot of interesting questions, right? Like, is there a specific way that it should be done that we're not aware of? Like, is there a presidential dick sucking technique?

[Dan]

Well, maybe. But I do think that the way he's talking makes it sound like it's a deficiency of skill or knowledge on his part.

[Jordan]

I just don't know how to do it.

[Dan]

Right. I would if I could.

[Jordan]

Every time I get down there and then suddenly I've got a boxing glove and I punch it right in there. I don't know what I'm doing.

[Dan]

And that's jazz.

[Jordan]

And that's jazz, baby.

[Dan]

So. On the Evening of Friday, November 21, Marjorie Taylo Green posted her official resignation announcement on Twitter. She'd been one of Trump's strongest supporters in Congress, but she wouldn't give up on getting the Epstein stuff released. Even after Trump lashed out at his base and got most of them back in line. Trump started posting all kinds of bad shit about her on Twitter, calling her Marjorie Taylor Brown and branding her a traitor, which she said resulted in a wave of harassment and threats being sent at her.

[Jordan]

True.

[Dan]

So she quit. Her statement was very poorly written, but the point of it was clear she was claiming her position as an America first person, which was different than a Make America Great Again person, which is what Trump and his administration had become. Right. They'd sold out the common American by catering to special interests. And they weren't the party that she wanted to be a part of anymore.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Plus, the cult leader of the party was being a real asshole to her and saying that he was gonna help whoever ran against her in the GOP primary in her district. Check. In her announcement, she said that she didn't want, quote, my sweet district to have to endure a hurtful and hateful primary against me by the president we all fought for, only to fight and win my election. While Republicans will likely lose the midterms and in turn be expected to defend the president against impeachment after he hatefully dumped tens of millions of dollars against me and tried to destroy me, it's also absurd and completely unserious. I refuse to be a battered wife hoping it all goes away and Gets better.

[Jordan]

Hmm.

[Dan]

A lot of what she's saying is true. Like that the Trump administration is absurd and completely unserious.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And what makes it all very funny is that Marjorie Taylor Greene saying that in 2025 is what we're seeing.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

She's absurd and completely unserious. Yep. Trump's been absurd and completely unserious this whole time. Mm. She didn't just realize that Trump is a piece of shit now. She's known this the whole time, but it's now come to a place where there's no path forward for her. Trump put her in a position where she had to either do a total 180 on things like Epstein and aid to Israel, or she had to do this. It's a savvy move on her part, and I think it's the right thing to do for her career in the long run. But if we just look at what she's saying, it kind of boils down to her quitting because politics is too hard. Her quitting doesn't help any of her constituents, and if anything, it weakens the power of whatever position she hopes to see represented in Congress. She made an assessment that her primary would be ugly. She'd probably win and then be in the G O P minority. After the midterms, the Democrats will likely try to impeach Trump a bunch of times, and the Trump cult that she helped create will demand that she support the King. She doesn't want to do that. And I guess it's not an option to vote to impeach Trump or to just not vote to abstain.

[Jordan]

I mean, come on.

[Dan]

Effectively, what she's saying by quitting is that the stakes for her to have principles are too high, so she's better off leaving office. Trump has created a political status quo where she probably understands that if she were to be in office post midterms and didn't fight against an impeachment even after Trump had tried to help primary her, one of Trump's fans might kill her. Sure, she's played her games and now it's not fun anymore, so she quit. She served just long enough to qualify for a congressional pension, so legitimately, there's nothing else left for her to do in government. You got to get out.

[Jordan]

Yeah, now is a good time.

[Dan]

Her retirement is a great move for herself personally, but it also puts people in the right wing media in a horrible position. The fact that she quit makes it clear that quitting is an option and that breaking with Trump is possible. This is the last thing that Alex needed right now because it only further illustrates how captured his show is. If he took any of the stuff he pretends to care about seriously, he would have been way ahead of MTG on this. But he's not. He's bending over backwards making excuses for Trump. And now what is he supposed to do about Marjorie Taylor Greene? Should he be mad at her for quitting and shitting on Trump on the way out, or should he applaud her for sticking to her principles that he's supposed to also follow? What does he do?

[Jordan]

I'm gonna go with the former.

[Dan]

Well, maybe neither, maybe both. Maybe all of it.

[Jordan]

We'll see.

[Dan]

So. Yeah, I just, I think that he's up against it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it is, it's hard to believe that anybody allowed her to write that without like a clown sort of mask on her or somebody with a big rubber hand slapping her while it's being said. Something along those lines. Because you're not allowed to say that. Sure. All the things that you said are true.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

That's fine.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's fair enough.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

[Dan]

It's just silly that you're now trying to use beating up on the very thing that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is the.

[Jordan]

Come on now.

[Dan]

This is the only reason you're successful. And now shitting on it is supposed to propel you to the next stage of whatever your. Your scam is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And just know you should go down with the ship.

[Jordan]

It is, it is the, it is the more eloquent way of saying I should know, I'm them. You know, like, of course they're evil. I do it.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So obviously Alex saw this going down and it's big news. So he had to get on air. But he also realized that it was another big day is the anniversary of when a president got killed.

[Alex Jones]

It is Saturday, November 22, 2025. I am your embattled host, Alex Jones. Thank you for joining us on this Saturday morning slash afternoon emergency transmission. It is 1034 Central. This is the 62nd anniversary of the assassination by the very same globalist deep state that's hand down power literally to its children and grandchildren of Robert F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas at Dwayne Plaza. What? Really? The leading Kennedy expert, Roger Stone will be joining us.

[Jordan]

Oh, I thought Robert F. Kennedy was.

[Alex Jones]

An hour from now.

[Dan]

Wrong Kennedy, buddy. It's easy. It's an easy mistake to make.

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, it is unfortunate that so many of those guys have been assassinated.

[Dan]

Two of them.

[Jordan]

It is enough to really confuse who and when was assassinated when sure. That's tough. That's a tough family.

[Dan]

I think that it's fun that we're, you know, doing this instead of focusing solely on Marjorie Taylor Greene. Just fucking quit Congress.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's an. It's an anniversary that needs to be. I don't know if celebrated is the right word.

[Dan]

So you get Roger Stone is going to be coming on, of course. And obviously you don't want to be having a back and forth with Roger Stone about Marjorie Taylor Greene right now.

[Jordan]

I think he might have some choice words to say.

[Dan]

So I think a strategic middle ground was reached. Where?

[Jordan]

Kennedy.

[Dan]

No, Alex is just like, I'm going to let you host.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

Alex just leaves.

[Jordan]

I'll be damned.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He just says, like, roger, you're the JFK expert. Take it over. Take over the show. Do as long as you wild. And I think it's specifically to avoid a back and forth between them.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Because shit's bad right now. And you know what Roger thinks?

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. It's essentially like, hey, Roger, seriously, I've said so many times, how do we turn this around for Trump? How do we turn this around for Trump? Because nobody was jumping ship. Nobody was jumping ship. But now that the rats are starting to jump ship, shouldn't I jump? I'm a rat. I am a rat.

[Dan]

When everyone around is an unrepentant, brazen, scammy liar, then it means that everyone gets to be that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

When someone has integrity, it makes everyone who doesn't look like shit feels so stupid. Even if it's pretend integrity, even if it's this fake strategic shit that she's doing, it calls out everyone else's game and it's a threat to them all.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex teases that he's got a big old story from inside sources.

[Alex Jones]

Now, there's a lot I can't tell you because it'll expose sources in the White House. The source of this has nothing to do with Ed Martin, who simply investigated the Deep States attacks on me and then Todd Blanche, the Deputy AG order those investigations killed. And that's just an example of what the Democrat Party lawyer that Trump for some reason trust, who's now the Deputy AG is up to, and he runs the Justice Department. Now, if you haven't heard this yet, when I say this, this is not satire. This is not a joke. And I asked Ed for comment on this this morning, and he just said no comment. And. But I have my sources in the White House and other places, very high level that I talked to last night, this morning. And when I learned about this last night, it, it, it hit me really hard because what I'm about to tell you, I know it's going to hit you hard and I'm just going to say it point blank. I'm not a bandwagon person. I don't pile on when other people are doing something. But I know MTG well. She's a woman of incredible integrity. Brought up poor self made very successful construction company. A woman of great integrity. She announced last night that she is resigning. I predicted on the Tuesday broadcast. She didn't tell me this, but I talked to her at length and it sounded to me like she was thrown in the towel just because she can't be part of something that's, quote, a lesser of two evils.

[Dan]

Alex really shouldn't frame this how he has because if Marjorie Taylor Greene is resigning because she can't accept the lesser of two evil stuff, that just means that Alex is making peace with the lesser of two evils.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

This is what I meant when I said that there's no good way for Alex to cover this. She's an enemy of Trump and Alex is supposed to be a Trump media surrogate at this point. So any attempt he makes to soften the coverage of Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to look weird. He should hate her. That's the only position that's viable within the media space that he's carved out for himself.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He has to fundamentally change his relationship with Trump or hate her.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

That's it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I think MTG should really be grateful that we don't live in Russia because, you know, you don't have somebody resign. You just remove them from the photographs and then you don't need to worry about this whole like, oh, she's gonna say bad things about me. She's gone from photographs. You know, she can't say anything about you.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know, so there are some freedoms.

[Dan]

Maybe someone hits her with an umbrella at some point.

[Jordan]

I mean, I, if I, if it was Trump's birthday, let's say, I wouldn't open the door for fucking anybody. I'm keeping that door strongly closed and I'm hiding somewhere all day.

[Dan]

Yeah, the making national parks free on Trump's birthday. That's a trick.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You're trying to lure Marjorie.

[Jordan]

You're going to get her. You're going to get her. That's what you're doing. I've seen this, I've seen this play out so many times before.

[Dan]

Yeah. But also, what's with that shit about Todd Blanche and Ed Martin at the beginning there. Anytime Alex is saying that he has all these high level sources and takes a lot of time to specify how it's not a particular person, I'm pretty comfortable with thinking that Alex wants me to believe that it's that person.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So when he says I'm not getting this from Ed Martin, I think you're getting it from Ed Martin.

[Jordan]

If he says I'm not getting this, then the very next name is the name he is getting it from.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He can't not do that.

[Dan]

So Alex is talking about Marjorie Taylor Greene resigning.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He's brought up sort of some spinning plates of Ed Martin and Todd Blanche over here that'll come back into play later. And he doesn't, he doesn't know what he thinks. He's, he's.

[Jordan]

How can you not know what you think?

[Dan]

He's conflicted.

[Jordan]

How?

[Alex Jones]

I'm gonna have to reflect on this and I'm gonna have to pray about it and I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a few weeks on it, I think is the most important thing to do. But I, I'm not a person that is normally conflicted. Think I have a lot of knowledge, a lot of depth, a lot of sources, a lot of context. And when I do get conflicted on something, I just have to go to God with it and pray about it a lot.

[Jordan]

You know the answer.

[Alex Jones]

Dum Dum talked about the quiet place the most. It's 2:30 and then I'm going to make my decision.

[Dan]

Stop drinking decision.

[Alex Jones]

But I am seriously inches away from not supporting Trump anymore. Which time because I am not going to watch him commit political suicide and I am not going to be drugged down with the rest of the country with him. Now that said, in general on issues and policies, he gets a 95. And I'm. I love Trump. He's protected by God, the inside baseball. He's the real deal. But by the real deal. He really loves America. He thinks he's doing the right thing, but he has serious blind spots.

[Dan]

I just imagine Alex praying about whether he should support Trump anymore and God being like, who cares? God does not care. It's way too late for Alex deciding not to support Trump to mean anything, because if it were a decision based on principle, then it would have already been made. Trump's been consistently acting in ways that cross Alex's imaginary red lines and he's been more than happy to support it all and yell about how all this unconstitutional shit Trump is doing is totally Constitutional. But now Alex is conflicted. What changed now is that Marjorie Taylor Greene has taken an action that has the subtext of shit or get off the pot. And everyone in Alex's position gets that message. Clearly she's doing what all of them should have done a long time ago if they cared. But as long as someone in a high powered position didn't do something like this, they were all able to pretend that it's just impossible. Nick Fuentes turned on Trump, but that's fine because he's a weird little Nazi kid. It's very easy to say that he didn't turn on Trump over principles. It was just because of his weird Israel obsession and hatred of the Jews. Sure. MTG is a high level defection from Trump that isn't easy to spin. And she isn't going to disappear from public life. She's gonna build her new brand on being the person who walked away from what could have been a lifelong career in Congress because the party left her. Alex is saying that he needs a while to pray on this and see what God tells him because he doesn't know how it's gonna go for her yet. If the move is super profitable for her and she comes out on top, God's gonna tell Alex that he should follow her example.

[Jordan]

God's so good like that.

[Dan]

Yeah. God's probably also gonna tell him that he should pretend that he did it first.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Dan]

If she's crushed under the weight of MAGA harassment or possibly killed, God may tell Alex that the lesser of two evils isn't so bad from a business standpoint. Maybe he should just cool it.

[Jordan]

It's going to be helpful when Alex claims that he did it first, that he has done it so many times in the past.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, so there is, there is that. There is the laying of seeds. If you can be like, I left him 10 years ago whenever he did, blankety blank, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. God tells Alex things. He gives him predictive visions. Alex is able to tell, like the minute a fucking shooting happens that it's fake.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Now I need a few weeks to prey on Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Jordan]

It would fuck off. It would be interesting to me. Right. So you know, magic's real. We've already established that that's true. It would be interesting to me if Gene Hackman was actually Alex's last chance. Like it was save Gene Hackman or you're done.

[Dan]

Or again, possibly kill Gene Hack.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. Regardless of the do something, what's important is that he should have Been there? Yes, he should have been there.

[Dan]

Him not being there in some way was exact fundamental betrayal of God's plan.

[Jordan]

Yep. And that cannot be allowed. So all of this and all the darkness that will follow is purely because Alex was not there when Gene Hackman faced. Faced his maker. That's it. Yeah, I think that's clear.

[Dan]

Okay, so maybe, okay, we think about it in a way of like, he had to kill Gene Hackman or he had to save Gene Hackman. What if Gene Hackman, like Alex needed to save his soul?

[Jordan]

Right. Okay. Like a quantum leap kind of style.

[Dan]

Okay. Gene Hackman's soul is critical in the battle between good and evil because nobody.

[Jordan]

Can inspire an Indiana basketball team quite like Gene Hackman.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so Alex needed to convert Hackman to God before he died.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Or else he would die and go to hell and become a very influential demon.

[Jordan]

If Satan's got the Hack Packman on his side.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

God knows what he could do.

[Dan]

Yeah, you're screwed.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, that's trouble. We've got a lot to worry about. Their, their five man game is fucking strong.

[Dan]

This is so much more fun than worrying about reality.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

So we brought up Todd Blanche and Ed Martin at the beginning, and here's where they come back into play.

[Alex Jones]

Todd Blanche, the Deputy ag. I just can't believe this is happening. I just. When I saw this last night, that I made calls last night and this morning I got calls back and people trust me. So I get told what happens to cabinet meetings, you name it. As I've broken many times, you've seen, then I have to be careful how I say or what I bring out because it identifies things. And these people are getting ready to go public too. I mean, that's just. You just can't take it anymore. I am not going to sit here and watch this done to our country. And I'm not trying to make Todd Blanche the demon. I've seen what he's done to me personally. But that, that, that, that was just one sign. And I even said, you know, at the time, even before the DOJ started investigating what was done to me by the deep state and the doj, that man, you got bigger fish to fry. And. But Ed Martin's like, this is our mission, this is what we do. And this is. They were very sloppy with you. So the DOJ funded these attacks on you. That's illegal. And what you heard in the news was just part of the investigation was much larger. And I'm going to stop there. And of course they know, it's this, this. Here's the other thing. It's not just Ed Martin. Ed Martin, in a good way, gets blamed for all the stuff that's going on, the good things. And he did make that comment to me, and I know people in and around him. It's funny because there is other prosecutors and other groups out there that are loyal to the country and CARE that are also doing a lot of great stuff and a lot of people at dhs. That's really where you've got a larger portion of people that are ready to take action to save the country. An example would be Tom Homan, but I'd be careful here, just because most of this is off record. But, but, but here's what's not off record. Todd Blanche has opened up a grand jury. And then when I made calls, there's more than one. It's not just in Maryland specifically targeting Ed Martin and other top government officials that Trump specifically brought in and hired to do the job of going after corruption in the deep state.

[Dan]

So this isn't inside stuff that Alex is getting from like, cabinet level sources. ABC News reported on November 20, two days before Alex did this episode, that Ed Martin was facing scrutiny from the Department of Justice and possibly being investigated over sharing sensitive investigative materials with unauthorized people. His dissemination of that material runs the risk of tainting ongoing investigations that the DOJ is pursuing, like mortgage fraud cases against Adam Schiff or Letitia James. One of the reasons that Alex is constantly saying that he's not getting this new information from Ed Martin is that a lot of people think that Alex is the person Martin disseminated unauthorized information to, which is what jeopardizes these cases and is likely getting Martin in trouble with the doj.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Alex has a habit of bragging on his show about knowing Ed Martin and saying that Martin has given him inside scoops even about the Schiff and James cases. So it's not that much of a leap to assume that he's the root of the problem here.

[Jordan]

He's one of the most unauthorized voices you could disseminate things to. Yeah, I would. If there are like levels of unauthorized, he would be all the way at the top or the bottom, whichever you require.

[Dan]

Yeah, this is an interesting play on Alex's part, what he's doing here, because it seems like he's trying to connect Marjorie Taylor Greene's resignation with Todd Blanche, like he's the reason that she quit. It has no connection to reality. But this will be the way that Alex tries to market his own Quitting Team Trump. If it comes to that, it will all be Todd Blanche's fault. And Trump's final sin will not be supporting Ed Martin enough in the battle with Todd Blanche.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But more likely than not, this is just like, in case it feels like.

[Jordan]

There is an opportunity. Right. So you've got your regular conspiracy theorist with the board with all the red strings just connecting it to the person at the top. Right. But I had not considered that there could be a circle of conspiracy theorists with their own boards based upon the same board, all of them pointing to a different person in order to confuse the initial conspiracy theorist who was perhaps correct. Right. So now we've got multiple conspiracy theory boards kind of crisscrossing in and out of each other. And that's where Alex is. He's creating a completely separate, like, board.

[Dan]

Yeah. And that's the difference of, like, the beginning of his career and the end of his career. And the end, like, the beginning of his career. There was a monoculture of, like, conspiracy shit where he was able to be like, I have the board. I'm showing you the board.

[Jordan]

The board. The number one board.

[Dan]

And now everybody has their own boards.

[Jordan]

And he's not doing a great job with his board.

[Dan]

No, no. His board is just an option of 100 different boards that are internally inconsistent. Yes. They contradict each other and. Yeah. There's no value to his board anymore.

[Jordan]

Too many goddamn boards out there.

[Dan]

It's true.

[Jordan]

Everybody fucking calm it down. Get. Get the Carson of boards back up here. That's what we're needing.

[Dan]

Yeah. Or need to destroy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

And he does not. But he's not made peace yet with the idea that that's not his position anymore.

[Jordan]

You're not even Kimmel, buddy.

[Dan]

So Alex rambles a bit about how the deep state has attacked him and he's a victim.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Alex Jones]

I had all these grand juries in panel by Leticia James. She went and got federal ones in panel when she was the ag. She did the referrals from the state. Some of them hit the news, some didn't. I had to spend millions of dollars that thank God you gave me to keep me on air, because that's the fight to battle these people. And when they went to the grand juries, even in Democrat areas, they could not get indictments. I was indicted. The Washington Post reported, and I know it was accurate. I've been told this like, 25 page report a few years ago in D.C. for January 6th, and then Merrick Garland killed it because they knew I was There saying, don't go in the building, huh? And they said, this is too obvious. And that's a tactic. When they can't get the big fish, they'll go after the smaller one. That's why they threw Owen in prison, was a message. Look, guys, I know you want to put me in prison. That's why I have to fight you. I am a good person. I don't even speed anymore. Maybe 10 miles over the speed limit. I mean, I'm literally a boy Scout, and so I don't feel fear or guilt over any of this. I see you as a threat. I. I don't run. I fight. And I've had these guys reach out to me, you know, and all the rest of it. I mean, you know, just like you guys did with General Flynn. You want to get me in some meeting about God knows what so you can then say, I lied to federal officers. I'm not stupid. There's a lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes. I just want them to know, like, I don't have an adiq, guys, okay? And when it comes to street knowledge and. And being in the wars for this country, in the infowar, I got a 200 IQ. Okay, when it comes to street smarts, but, I mean, if you had street smarts of a canary, you'd know that.

[Jordan]

Do canaries have.

[Alex Jones]

So for listeners, you know, street smarts, that the real war started when we got Trump back in. Just like I told Roger stone, election night, 2016. He goes, oh, my God, it's so great. We're gonna turn the country around. We'll say, everybody, we're sitting there smoking a cigar and drinking scotch at, like, 3, 4am And I said, roger, he's told so many times. I said, roger, the war just began.

[Dan]

So this seems really dumb. If Merrick Garland chose not to prosecute Alex, then it seems like they don't prosecute people for things that they didn't do. If they just lock up anyone who they want, they can indict a ham sandwich. Then who cares? If Alex didn't do anything wrong on January 6, they should have just jammed him up anyway.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Dan]

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

[Alex Jones]

No one would have.

[Dan]

Yet it passed the grand jury. And then they're like, oh, no. Why did it start to begin with then?

[Jordan]

What if the judge throws out our case?

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

Crazy.

[Dan]

If Owen had actually done nothing wrong, then it would seem like maybe they were trying to send Alex a message. But Owen was violating a deferred prosecution agreement by being at the Capitol. That Day because he failed to complete his community service for another time he'd gotten arrested.

[Jordan]

Just do your community service, man.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's why he got in trouble. The full explanation.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

These people are all such losers, wrapped up in their own feelings of persecution. And that's always gonna be the case no matter how you treat them. Everyone who was involved in January 6th got away from it. Very lucky, because in a lot of circumstances, that should have turned into a bloodbath. Alex is lucky he survived. Everyone who went to jail and then got pardoned by Trump are lucky they survived and aren't in a hole for the rest of their lives. They were all involved, consciously or unwittingly, in some. Some deeply seditious shit. And rather than being persecuted, they were all treated with the babiest level of kid gloves. And I'm not saying that they, like everyone should have been shot or whatever, but you look around the world and you look at parallels to, like, comparable instances of people storming Capitol buildings and shit. And this was pretty. This was dealt with pretty softly.

[Jordan]

They should be. Well, I mean, it is. It is good that we are not run by a narco terrorist king, but it's not good that it seems like we're getting closer and closer by the day, especially considering now we're just, like, grabbing stuff, taking it from Venezuela all the time. We're just like, as is ours now.

[Alex Jones]

It'S on a boat.

[Jordan]

I really feel like maybe we're fucking with Venezuela too much.

[Dan]

But they have boats.

[Jordan]

I don't know if we could just take them, man.

[Dan]

I think that there is a doctrine that says, on the water, I shall.

[Jordan]

This is ours now. I mean, yeah, we're pirates. We're privateers. We grab other countries. Ships and then take them over.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, hey, what are you gonna do?

[Dan]

See, it's according to jurisprudence, right? And English common law and the Magna Carta and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Jordan]

I feel like. I feel like the hippos were. Got more legally, you know what I mean? Like, whenever Escobar is out there, just like, grabbing illegal hippos, that makes more sense to me than if he was just taking people's boats. And I'm pretty sure he did just take people's boats.

[Dan]

Yeah, probably.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Look, we're not in great waters, literally. But Alex. Yeah, Alex is. He needs to calm down to this persecution complex.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Maybe a little too much, but, you know, he is. He is a lot of things.

[Jordan]

Things.

[Dan]

A liar, sure. A fraud.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Sad man.

[Jordan]

Definitely.

[Dan]

Prophet.

[Jordan]

Not Escobar.

[Dan]

Futurist.

[Jordan]

Yep. Academic, not savior.

[Alex Jones]

You care about your children, your grandchildren. I'm talking to everybody out there. Listen to me. I'm a real analyst, intellectual, historian. Futurist. Okay? I know my.

[Jordan]

In what fashion?

[Alex Jones]

And I'm like trying to get the establishment, the captains here, to steer us out of this iceberg filled jungle we're in or with the whole fucking ship's gonna go down. And so you guys keep threatening me and doing all this stuff, you think, why don't you go away? Why don't you stop? Why don't you take the payoffs? Why don't you roll over to us? What? I mean, I take a payoff from you guys, and this doesn't happen with Blanche. This happened with the people above him, you know, years ago. We're just gone. The world at the time. 50 million a year to you personally. And you'll run this whole organization, but we'll be in charge or we're going to destroy you. And I said, where you're going to take us is destroy us. What? I take a payoff and sit on the deck of the Titanic and go down with it? I mean, if it was Boss Hogg, you guys were just doing this or that, you were better than the other groups. And then. And the ship was going to make it to New York, that kicked my feet up and said, get me some champagne and some caviar. The fucking ship's going into a goddamn iceberg. Excuse me.

[Dan]

Family show.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex has said this kind of thing constantly over the years where he would be fine with the globalists if they were just like Boss Hogs, the evil county commissioner from the Dukes of Hazzard. And I guess that makes some sense because, you know, Hogg was the antagonist of a comedy show from the 70s. Sure. So if people who wanted to run the world were similar to him, I wouldn't be all that interested in fighting them either. We could just leave that up to a couple of moonshine running brothers from the South. They.

[Jordan]

They handled him so well.

[Dan]

Yeah, he's a goofy caricature.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[Dan]

But on further examination, it makes sense that Alex would be fine with Boss Hog. He's super corrupt and owns pretty much every business in Hazard county, including infrastructure and the press.

[Jordan]

He's not the good guy.

[Dan]

His brother in law is Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane. So he extends his influence into law enforcement. Yep. He's the richest guy in town and can pay off anyone. So on a micro scale, he's exactly like the globalists that Alex hates so much. So what makes him different? Well, for one thing, Boss Hogg wasn't into worshiping Satan, which is probably because this was a goofy TV show and that would be a little bit out of place here.

[Jordan]

Probably.

[Dan]

Another difference is that Hogg doesn't kill people, which again, is probably because of network TV standards at the time. Sure. Third, his plans are mostly get rich quick schemes as opposed to the globalists who want to destroy the world. And again, I think this is a TV show thing.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, I would say there's a lot of very similar get rich quick schemes going on with the people that he's interested in.

[Dan]

Sure. If Boss Hogg was trying to destroy the world, you can't just let him go at the end of the episode and use him again next week. In order for him to be a character on the show, you need his crimes to be minor enough that they can avoid the death penalty. So there's a little bit of screenwriting here.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But probably most importantly, Boss Hogg's real name is Jefferson Davis Hogg, and he was named after the President of the.

[Jordan]

Confederate States of America. Well, obviously he was named after the President of the Confederate States. There are no other famous Jefferson Davis's in America.

[Dan]

He's a big old racist. Which is a huge reason of why Alex would be fine living under his form of tyranny.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

Alex uses this construction, the idea that if the globalists were just like Boss Hogg, he wouldn't be fighting them as a way to make the globalists sound worse. But if you think about it for even a couple of minutes, it makes Alex look way worse.

[Jordan]

Hmm.

[Dan]

Why wouldn't he fight Boss Hogg? That dude was a petty dictator over the whole county, and he specifically used his power to make the lives of individual residents worse. Alex is supposed to be the guy who's mad at corruption, but he has no problem with this kind of corruption. Which makes you think that maybe it's not corruption that he wants to fight so badly. No, he kind of tells on himself a little bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, he, like most people with a lot of money, tends to believe that people should be kept in line. Mm. Whatever. Order is more important.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because the people can't be trusted. They're. They're just chickens with their heads cut off, running around willy nilly.

[Dan]

Him and Boss Hogg would probably agree on that. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And if you're. If you are against Boss Hog canonically, you have a very specific car with a very specific flag. On it. So you know what?

[Dan]

It turns out that the good guys and the bad guys on this show.

[Jordan]

Have something like maybe there's not that much difference between the two of them in the end of the. At the end of the day.

[Dan]

What about Cooter?

[Jordan]

I don't really know Cooter that well.

[Dan]

You don't know Cooter?

[Jordan]

No, I don't. No, I don't.

[Dan]

This guy.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Fucking guy wants to comment on the General Lee and doesn't know about Cooter.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, Alex is mad at Todd Blanche.

[Jordan]

Where's Andy Griffith lie on the. On the Civil War? You know, I haven't really considered that. We never really dealt with Confederate flag and Andy Griffith.

[Dan]

Well, there was a great, great episode of Bananas for Bonanza where they're talking about how one of the Cartwright boys was mad.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

At the Union.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Jones]

They both.

[Jordan]

They were.

[Dan]

They were. They were on the side of the side.

[Jordan]

They picked a side for sure.

[Dan]

Yeah. Andy Griffith, he's too folksy for war.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, that's. That's smart. That's smart.

[Dan]

So Alex, he was. He's at war.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

With Todd Blanche.

[Jordan]

With the Todd Blanche.

[Dan]

And it's. It's getting ugly.

[Alex Jones]

I get the phone calls. I get the threats. I get the what do you want? Stuff. What do I want? I want you to stop running the country into a iceberg, dumbass. Can you think second, third, fourth order Todd Blanche? You get brownie points with your buddies, the Democrats, when you're trying to indict Trump's attack dogs. And by the way, we've been under attack. We need attack dogs.

[Jordan]

Oh, I was gonna say there's a war.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

We get piled on and attacked and lied about. You want to put us all in prison? Well, you guys committed a bunch of crimes, so fuck you. You. We don't know how to lie down. I don't know how to get on my knees. You can pull your pecker out and have me suck it so you feel powerful. I don't know how to suck your dick, Blanche.

[Dan]

Whoa. Okay. Family show. This is drifting quite a ways away from Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Jordan]

Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

Strange.

[Jordan]

I mean, I definitely would say that it would undercut his message if he was like, I specialize in foot jobs. That would. That would really take it down a notch.

[Dan]

Can we make a deal?

[Jordan]

Listen, I. You don't even want it. I don't. I don't use enough spit. I have a very dry mouth. My teeth are everywhere.

[Dan]

Let's meet in the middle.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. And my feet are surprisingly dainty.

[Dan]

Yeah, this. This all is just. I do think it was a good save on his part with the attack dogs thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You're trying to stop Trump's attack dogs. We need attack dogs.

[Jordan]

You're trying to indict the people who Trump forces to commit crimes for him.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. Wait, no, no, no. But they're good now.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because everyone else commits crimes.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Great.

[Jordan]

Fuck you for committing crimes.

[Dan]

So Alex is at war.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And I think that we've heard him talk about this recently. And make a commitment.

[Alex Jones]

Commitment.

[Dan]

Do you remember what his commitment was?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

It was. He was gonna stop doing something. Something that he loves very much.

[Jordan]

Speeding? No, I don't remember.

[Dan]

He said he was gonna stop watching movies.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Because everything is serious.

[Jordan]

What movie did he watch?

[Dan]

Running Man.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, there was neighborhood Watch or whatever. He go to the extreme. Like the Running Man. Boy, I saw that last night.

[Jordan]

Boy, I saw that. X.

[Alex Jones]

Excellent. Only a little bit of political correctness in it. Super cheesy. The Max. Wow. I haven't seen Hollywood make a decent action film in years. I thought I was hallucinating. I'm gonna go see it again.

[Jordan]

Edgar Wright's great.

[Alex Jones]

So. Also PTSD for when I've been through. I tell you, I'm the. We're the running man. I'm telling you. So. So. And how rigged everything is. And every step of the way, they just say, join us now. It's never too late. Betray this person. Blah, blah. No, no, no, no. I'm, like, watching this movie, and I'm like, wow. I'd actually live this, but in the information war.

[Dan]

Yeah, makes sense.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I like you saying that he, like, he's only gonna watch one movie a month. Like, he's gotta. He's gotta be so committed to the infowar, but he's like, I'm gonna see this again. You gotta wait a month, man. You can't do this. Your commitment to this infowar thing is a little false.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, I would even go so far as to say I don't think that's a good commitment to the infowar. Only watching one movie a month. I mean, you. You got to cut them all out, or you just got to let movies happen when they happen.

[Dan]

But also, like, the information war is about predictive programming and all that shit, so you got to watch a ton of movies.

[Jordan]

Well, movies are also part of the information war.

[Dan]

It's studying.

[Jordan]

So you have to watch the movies. Yeah, Dick, by not watching the movies, you're actually doing a disservice. To the information war. Yeah, you're focusing on the wrong thing.

[Dan]

Also, I've not seen the Running Man. Ended up seeing it, but I bet there's more PC stuff in it than he thinks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, Edgar Wright's usually pretty on the nose about it, but, you know, I do miss Sub Zero. I would have. I would have liked. I'm a big Sub Zero fan.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

I'm a huge. With the original Running Man. He was on ice. Yeah, he had a good. It was very sharp. It was a sharp hockey stick. Yeah, I thought he had a good chance, but no. Schwarzenegger won in the end.

[Dan]

So another movie. Dracula.

[Jordan]

Which Dracula? Is there a new Dracula?

[Dan]

No, there's a bunch of them, though. There are a bunch of so many.

[Jordan]

They have made a lot.

[Dan]

And so in this next clip, Alex rambles around a bit comparing Todd Blanche to Dracul.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, what do you think? Trying to indict Ed Martin and people make him go away Opposite is going to happen. Trying to destroy Trump with your bosses, you know, before the Democrats. How'd that work out for you? See, you're not dealing with an asleep public anymore. You thought you had an intimidated public before. Vast majority were asleep. Some were intimidated. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta fight now, okay? You ain't a vampire sneaking in at night, drinking some blood out of somebody's throat. You're a vampire trying to flap through the window at high noon and have a little snack.

[Jordan]

He would be dead.

[Alex Jones]

All we gotta do is open the drapes. What happens? You're literally. Blanche was this way. You're like Count Dracula climbing out of his coffin at like, noon and just trying to go for a walk in the park. Is that advisable? Because seriously, that's like Count Dracula taking a. A hike outside at Highness. What happens to Count Dracula when he takes a hike outside of. Honey. I mean, did you not think if you indict Ed Martin going up against the obvious corrupt Democrats because he actually finally squeezed through some indictments, forced it through, and it scares the shit out of you people. You think the answer is to put him in prison? Son, that's the opposite of being a rocket scientist. I don't know what the guys are mixing here. They'll say this is a threat. Whatever. That's not a threat. I have no idea what the guys are mixing here on tv. This is Vlad the Impaler. Oh, they just googled something about Dracula, I guess. Yeah, and then that just came up. Just show a classic Dracula. Like, what's that. Who was the first Dracula, really famous one on movies, Bela Lagos. Show that. Don't do those things. Jones showed Spears through him and it'll all be in front of some judge. I'm not mad at the crew. They're just typing stuff in like Dracula and that popped up. That's not a threat. I'm at the absolute opposite of that. God almighty.

[Dan]

So that was an unfortunate clip for the crew to pull up because it made the threatening tone Alex was using far too explicit, to the point where Alex had to comment on it. He was describing Todd Blanche as being Dracula who would prefer to sneak in and kill people under the COVID of night. But now the public is awake to his vampirism, so he has to come around during the day, which will kill him because he's a vampire. The metaphor Alex is using is inherently violent. It's just that most people understand that violence against vampires is justified. There isn't a compromise you can make with Dracula. He wants to kill you for your blood, so the only thing you can do is kill him first. The idea. That's the idea that Alex is playing around with in his talk about Blanche. He's not actually a vampire, so the sun isn't going to kill him. This is all a metaphor. The sunlight in this metaphor is public intimidation from Trump fanatics in the sunlight. You can't go after Ed Martin because the lunatics in the base will launch harassment campaigns against you and possibly even kill you for trying. Marjorie Taylor Greene had to live in the sunlight, and she chose to quit rather than try to deal with the fanatical mobs of Trump supporters. She built a career on whipping into frenzies. This is what Alex and his type of folk in the media used to be able to offer a politician or public figure. They could distract and redirect the attention of dipshits online. They were able to provide shade from that sunlight. Or conversely, they could draw back that shade and force someone who was once their ally to face the public harassment that their distractions held at bay. This game doesn't work anymore, though, because the influence of various online idiots has become too diffuse. There's no monoculture of Trump fanaticism, and the factions have no interest in working together anymore. Alex can be trying to focus on this, this metaphorical sunlight on Todd Blanche, but there are other people with huge audiences who aren't willing to let Trump off the hook for his part in all this shit. And there are plenty of other people with their own targets. I think the lesson that these Folks should be learning is that none of them have the power to go into business for themselves and that they only really can get anything done if they work together. They need to have a consensus target, or else everything just gets too messy. And I think that Alex is instinct with scapegoating Todd Blanche. It's pretty good. And then it helps get Trump off the hook for a number of the inexcusable things that he's done. Like, Todd Blanche is directly involved with Ghislaine Maxwell. Like, going to interview her before she got taken to a nicer prison. There's a number of things that you could really scapegoat on him.

[Jordan]

I think.

[Dan]

Like, I think in the past, this would have been a great call, but Alex is too personally invested for this to fly. He's one of the people that Ed Martin is likely in trouble for giving sensitive information. He's the reason that Ed Martin got in trouble with the Sandy Hook thing. Like sending a letter that they were gonna go after the plaintiffs.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that one was probably bad.

[Dan]

Alex can't credibly present himself as an independent voice in this. So no matter what he does, his yelling about how everyone, everyone needs to attack Blanche is always going to look personally biased. This is one of the many reasons that you can't get close to power. If you're someone who's pretending to be the kind of guy that Alex pretends to be, you can't have your own personal motives intersecting with the conspiracies that you promote. It just is going to make it more difficult to get anyone to listen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, oh, this is just you. This is your thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think it's interesting that our culture has adopted Dracula in the way that it has, because ironically, for Alex, Dracula is a great literary reference because it was borderline. Just the great replacement theory in fictional form. So that kind of concept of the Other is coming to take our shit that's right there built in there. And he doesn't even see that. That is, like, what he is afraid of.

[Dan]

Of.

[Jordan]

It's fascinating.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But that's because people don't read anymore, Dan. No, people don't read.

[Dan]

No, they don't.

[Jordan]

People only see movies once or twice a month, maybe multiple times. So anywhere between five and seven movies per month.

[Dan]

See, Alex needs to read the Running Man.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. No, not really.

[Dan]

No, man.

[Jordan]

Stephen King, kind of. Listen, I don't have anything to say. I'm not starting shit.

[Dan]

Whoa.

[Jordan]

I'm just saying that I saw a lot of stuff recently, like the Long Walk.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

That It.

[Jordan]

Welcome to dairy.

[Dan]

But the clown wasn't like. I mean, he wrote that, but that's not. Like the movie isn't his fault.

[Jordan]

And then the Dark Tower is his fault. And, like, they're all overdrive. Is his fault. All his fault. They're all his fault.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

All right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What about the Shining?

[Jordan]

I don't know why we keep doing it. I don't know why we keep doing it, buddy.

[Dan]

Yeah. I don't know. I've never been a big Stephen King guy myself. I don't need you to start a war with him.

[Jordan]

I would love to start a war with Stephen King.

[Dan]

Our podcast is just getting off the ground. We can't afford a war.

[Jordan]

I want to force him back to cocaine. That's what I want to do.

[Dan]

Damn.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm hard.

[Dan]

So you're. You're. You're making some big stands.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And I think that Alex is in the same kind of mood where he wants to make an ultimatum. Sure. To Trump.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But who cares?

[Jordan]

Who cares?

[Alex Jones]

You know what? Let's play mtg, because this ties into it all. I'm going to come back and make my statement to Trump, but I'll just kind of pre cap it here. President Trump, you already let Bill Barr and all these traitors in, and you said you woke up and you didn't know what's happening before. If you have a deputy AG that we know is blocking all these investigations and is a Democrat and protecting Clapper and Brennan and all Jack Smith and the rest of them, and tried to block the Letitia James indictment, the coming indictment, and is now trying to sabotage it. If you allow people like Todd Blanche to then persecute and prosecute your champions like Ed Martin and Pulte, I am not going to aid you in your political suicide and my own destruction. I'll still, unlike policies that you're doing, support it. But we need to win the midterms, and we need to get this done. And so how you're screwing this up, I have no idea.

[Dan]

Who cares?

[Jordan]

Win the midterms.

[Dan]

Yeah. Who cares what?

[Jordan]

Yeah, we need to win the midterms. That's Alex Jones now.

[Dan]

That's Alex Jones now.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

I imagine anybody who thought, like, you know, they were part of something that's, like, really revolutionary and shit that'd be done, it has to feel bad to hear Alex saying that. And it has to give you a feeling of like, why do you care about this? But then, even if you're Trump or like someone in the Trump administration, how could you care if you heard this from Alex? This is such impotent rage.

[Jordan]

Ridiculous.

[Dan]

So just whining.

[Jordan]

What a weird. What a weird distance to travel so quickly. So. So from five years, we went from, I don't know, let's just take it over to, we gotta win the midterms.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Dan]

It's. It's such. It's such a strange dynamic that I think I did feel a bit when listening and preparing this episode that, like, he kind of has a feeling of, like, everything's normal.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, like. Yeah, the midterm. Caring about the midterm seems so strange.

[Jordan]

Crazy.

[Dan]

You have to actually think that, like, oh, the Dems are gonna win, and then it's gonna be a real problem for me.

[Jordan]

What. What are they gonna argue about? Most of the stuff he does, he just goes, I think I do this today. And then nobody knows how to stop him.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because we're all children. I guess.

[Dan]

I think emotionally, on some level, he's still living in a world where Hillary won.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, everything's a game. Yeah. And I don't think that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If adults are in charge, the game is fun.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

That's just kind of how it is.

[Dan]

And I think he just can't wrestle with the amount of damage that he and his people have done to the world.

[Jordan]

It's hard to. It's hard to really wrestle with because it's so big.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And the ripples of it are. Are four dimensional. Like, you don't even know how bad you've made things yet.

[Dan]

Yeah. And they implicate Alex directly, so I can understand why he wouldn't want to think about that.

[Jordan]

I would feel pretty guil.

[Dan]

So, look, man, Trump, all he had to do with Marjorie.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Just be classy. That's all he had to do.

[Jordan]

Be classy.

[Alex Jones]

Okay. Trump is not maga. I'm not saying he's not part of maga. I'm saying Make America Great Again is really America first or Restore the Republic. And Trump has been a supporter of that for 50 years. He's a great guy, but he's not the ocean. We are the ocean. We are the people. He's the surf border that rode in on the wave, and we support him if he stays true to that. But stuff like, oh, I'm glad MTG left. That's wonderful. Ha ha. And. And calling her a traitor and all this other stuff is just really stupid and really hurts you in the poll numbers. And people really don't like it. And the polls are out it was very damaging. And all you had to do was be classy about this.

[Dan]

All you had to do was be classy.

[Alex Jones]

Just be classy.

[Jordan]

I. I mean, that it's. It's like a fundamental misunderstanding of reality that makes me question my own understanding of reality.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, the idea of somebody like that going, just be classy, and not recognizing that this is the least classy person who is most aggressively attacked the very concept of classy by putting McDonald's in a gold toilet. Like, this is a disgusting, unclassy man. And that's why you liked him.

[Dan]

Yeah. But I think that recognizing that that's why you liked him hurts. And I think that there is a need to be, like, all of that stuff that Trump was doing, attacking everybody and being a huge piece of shit.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like, we liked that because we told ourselves it was strategic.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And if he were to be classy with Marjorie Taylor Greene, instead of attacking her in the same way that he attacks everybody, we could tell ourselves that all that other stuff was strategic. But this is so unstrategic that it calls into question what we pretended had meaning when it didn't.

[Jordan]

Yep. Well, I mean. Yeah. Essentially, you would have to say, oh, this is a consequence of my actions.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I am responsible for what is happening.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And that's just verboten. That is just the one thing that they cannot ever do.

[Dan]

Yeah. We enjoyed this cruelty and awfulness because it was kind of. It kind of worked.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And we are now in the thrall of a cruel, awful person who is being cruel and awful to us.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And we want to pretend that it's.

[Jordan]

A mistake, especially because everybody told us this was going to happen.

[Dan]

Yeah. Everybody fucking obvious.

[Jordan]

Like. Like thousands upon thousands of years of human history told us this was going to happen. And we were like, maybe we got it this time.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's cool.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, Marjorie told Alex some inside baseball stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Basically about how Trump was covering up the Epstein things.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's not great, of course.

[Alex Jones]

Telling me inside baseball. And none of it was bad because I already know from other sources and from Trump. Well, not that true, but he was reiterating it to her, but going a little further. And that's the sad part about it. Trump never touched an underage girl. There's no evidence, the witnesses, all of it. But he thinks these people are so high powered, will bring the country down, and his goal is to save the country. We have a disagreement, so he thinks covering it up. And plus, the trail's old and they hid the Real evidence. And that's his deciding thing, is it's all crap and it's old and they hid the real stuff. And I'm just moving on. You can pragmatically see that argument. You don't have to attack and savage people that disagree with you over the moral issue of not being able to make that decision you made, which I said I could understand, I didn't endorse because they'd stab you in the back. Now, was I right? And I know you guys reached out and agree with me now. I was right. You were wrong, Mr. President. So I'm trying to get you to stop destroying yourself and us along with you, while you have Bill Pulte over here trying to put us all in prison. I thought I had three years to save the country before that new group tried to throw me in prison. No, we don't have to wait. They're trying right now. Yeah, not just Martin. Me not stupid. So thanks a lot, pal. You think I'm gonna just go away because of that? Hey, Sonny, we can throw you in pr. Oh, really? I didn't know that. How many times do you people have to do your little vague, vague threats to me? Just say it out loud, okay? It doesn't work. In fact, it has the opposite effect. Don't you understand? I'm a fighter.

[Dan]

Alex said Bill Pulte there, but he just misspoke. He met Todd Blanche.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Pulte is another guy that Blanche might be investigating for leaking information that could taint DOJ investigation. What you hear in that clip is a man trying to reassure himself that he's always right and did everything right. It was totally cool that he came up with this rationalization for how Trump could cover up the Epstein stuff. This is the stuff that comes to mind for Alex when he covers Marjorie Taylor Green quitting because her resignation forces him to look in the mirror on this shit. The fact that she quit makes it too clear that Alex could quit. And then it raises the question, why hasn't he? And Alex doesn't have a good answer, so he gets mad. I find it interesting that Alex thought that he had three years to save the country, which means that he knew that Trump would act in ways that would lead to a Democratic win in the 2026 midterms, which would then get Trump impeached.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's a telling insight into Alex's political mind because it tells you that he's still working on the same kind of business as usual framework. He thinks that if he could, he can't Pull off this authoritarian overthrow of the country before those midterms, then the Dems will win and impeach Trump, and we'll be back to square one. We'll have a lame duck, President Vance, and then we'll have to start from scratch for the 2028 election. He doesn't seem to fully grasp how much his side is completely fucked up. The idea of representative government and the damage that can't be undone, that there's no normal to go back to.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, this is just shit.

[Jordan]

No, we gotta. We gotta, Reese. I mean, we gotta rewire just about everything.

[Dan]

We gotta reconsider some fundamentals.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

I don't. I don't think that there's anything that's acceptable other than a real reckoning once this is over with what happened and how this happened and the damage that it did to countless American lives and pretending. Pretending that, like, oh, yeah, the Dems will win the midterm and impeach Trump.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then maybe what, you're going to go back to Rand Paul? The fuck are you going to do?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, at a certain point, if. If Brutus was like, hey, guys, let's impeach him, I think everybody would have gone, that's not going to be good enough these days. That's just not how it's going to go, buddy.

[Dan]

Yeah. And leaving aside whatever, like, kind of consequence or whatever waits for Trump, like, this is your life for the rest of your life, Alex.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You did this.

[Jordan]

You never can't not do it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's in the past.

[Dan]

Is your legacy, dipshit. Anyway, look, yeah, Trump, he didn't do any Epstein stuff.

[Jordan]

You know, you're in the winning side of an argument when you're like, he didn't touch any underage girls.

[Dan]

Well, it's a critical distinction. And Alex goes on to explain that Trump, you know, it's just like, his friends are gonna go down. He doesn't want that. Uh.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Alex Jones]

And what Trump's really worried about is a bunch of his business partners, not him, involved in a bunch of chicanery. Because that's really what Epstein was doing. The girls was like beer nuts on the counter.

[Jordan]

So it was kind of like a pedophile billionaire ring.

[Alex Jones]

Not the main course. As I told you, you money laundering hundreds of billions through Harvard alone over the decades. Sending it out, sending it back. All of this USAID crap. All of it. And it's all coming out. I'm like, what are you worried about? I know Trump's business. He's not Been involved in that. But he may fight with Harvard and their 54 million endowment. He may do that stuff and, like, try to get them to do what he wants, but he wants to be in charge of that all. He doesn't want to have the corruption anymore, but he wants to be, you know, he doesn't want to smash institutions.

[Dan]

A couple of quick points. One, if your business partners are deeply involved in money laundering with a guy who ran a sex trafficking and blackmail operation, then you're almost definitely also involved in that money laundering.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

These aren't people you know. These are your business partners. I don't think this is the defense Alex wants it to be. I think he doesn't realize what he's saying.

[Jordan]

You had to do due diligence, and they gave you their numbers and you were like, oh, I want to get into business with you.

[Dan]

We are business partners.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Two, Alex is making it too obvious that Trump doesn't want to destroy these money laundering operations because he wants to run them.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

This is also not the defense Alex wants it to be. But instead, it makes Trump look like a mob boss who just wants to use the power of the state to intimidate his competition. Which lines up with the way that Alex would have described Trump in 2015 before he decided that he was God's chosen ruler.

[Jordan]

It sounds exactly like that. It sounds almost freakishly like exactly that.

[Dan]

Trump doesn't want to destroy these things. He just. He doesn't want the corrupt. He just wants to run it.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He wants to run the corruption.

[Jordan]

See, he's using the chaos and the additional power at the certain time to make a play for a larger amount of territory and power that he'll then use to make more. Oh, no, That's a mob boss.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yeah. All right.

[Dan]

So I'm glad Alex is not. He doesn't have to decide to leave that yet.

[Jordan]

Now is not the time.

[Dan]

You got to pray. Yeah.

[Jordan]

You got to pray.

[Dan]

So Marjorie Taylor Greene has Cool.

[Alex Jones]

Quit.

[Dan]

Trump has been a real asshole.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

And Laura Loomer has come out and celebrated.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because she still loves Trump. She hates Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

And she thinks that this is quite a victory. Yeah. And Alex is not happy.

[Alex Jones]

That's why I'm really mad at Laura Loomer. Laura Loomer has been harassed. She's been driven out of the. Before, they've tried to put her in prison. She knows the stuff's real. Go. I've been swatted. My family's been swatted. Most of his crew's been swatted. She's MTG's been swatted over and over again on record. Look at all Republicans been shot, killed. You name it. Scalise, the list goes on and on. Look at where Rand Paul attacked all those times. And. And Laura L. Said oh, town. And they didn't have a report of it. She called the wrong town. Plus usually it takes days even get a police report. The point is, you don't think she's been threatened. You don't think people didn't come to her house. You don't think the left didn't false flag it guaranteed and harassed her to try to push her out. I know it's them because conservatives really don't do that very often. And she says, no, you are a liar. And then the thing was, everybody. Yeah, she's a liar. There was no one harassing her. I guess Todd Blanche isn't trying to indict Ed Martin either, right?

[Dan]

Stop trying to make this all about Todd Blanche.

[Jordan]

Not gonna work.

[Dan]

Come on, man.

[Jordan]

Not gonna work.

[Dan]

It's a little. It's a little painfully transparent, but yeah, I like this. Marjorie Taylor Greene was harassed and it was a false flag by the Democrats in order to make conservatives look bad.

[Jordan]

I like that. That I like. I like to never have responsibility for anything. To never be a party to anything even you are doing at the time. You can be in the middle of doing something you personally and be like, look at all these leftists doing the thing I'm doing wrongly.

[Dan]

I just had a fantasy of like Alex giving an apology for something. I'd like to apologize for my actions. They were a false flag.

[Jordan]

They were all these leftists who were inside of me at the time. Yeah. Crazy.

[Dan]

So Laura Loomer needs to stop. Sure. This has got to stop.

[Jordan]

I agree with that, but for very different reasons.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Alex. Alex's take on this is basically like they need to stop. Because women, when they get to fighting.

[Jordan]

See very different reasons already. Already out the gate. Very different reasons.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

Okay. And I'm not even trying to be mean to you or start a fight with you. Fine. Come on the show. I just. Get your act together. You're smart. You do a lot of great work for free speech before. So much. What you do, I agree with. And then you do this fighting with people stuff. You don't think I couldn't start a fight up with Nick Fuentes and be all the news or start a fight up to Carlson or start a fight with Candace Owens. It's just all of that notice Tucker doesn't do that. Other than when somebody poked at his dad. And I'm not mad at Nick. Nick didn't understand what he was doing. I mean, the point is.

[Jordan]

Yes, he did. Everybody does. Everybody understands junior high. They're choosing it.

[Alex Jones]

And you're not in junior high. And you have a lot of power. You got the president's ear. And MTG is a good person. And I tried to get you years ago to stop it. But see, old as the Bible or older women bringing. Fighting each other and bringing down empires. I tell you, I just. I tell you, absolutely insane.

[Jordan]

Name all those empires brought down by women fighting. I'll take my time. I'll take my answer off air.

[Dan]

So many. So many emperors all brought to their knees by women fighting.

[Jordan]

Two women fighting each other.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

They just.

[Dan]

I do like the. Tucker Carlson doesn't do that. Oh, wait, there was just a huge example Tucker doing that.

[Jordan]

Absurd.

[Dan]

And yeah, Alex doesn't fight with Nick and Tucker now. Yeah. But if it were advantageous to him, he would. That's what he did with Rogan.

[Jordan]

I mean, I.

[Dan]

If Tucker were to turn on Alex, he would fight the fight him like crazy to try and get on the show again.

[Jordan]

Yeah. There is never an answer that it can be like boiled down to, he doesn't do that except for when he does that will ever be satisfactory. No, that's ridiculous. How dare you?

[Dan]

Especially. He doesn't do that except for when he does, which was very recently and very embarrassing. And then he had Nick on his show.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So I'm gonna assume he's going to do that more then.

[Dan]

Yeah, probably.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So then. So when you say he never does.

[Dan]

That, when the mood strikes, he'll do that.

[Jordan]

Right. See, that's the thing. It's the mood that I don't want to, like, navigate around.

[Dan]

Right, right, right. Yeah. But he's not a woman.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's not going to take down an empire. He's not going to take down an empire, that's for sure.

[Dan]

So we have one last clip and Alex says it's just of the Qin.

[Jordan]

Dynasty falling as two women argue.

[Dan]

It's. Alex has introduced Roger.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

He's given Roger some topics and stuff and done his like, Roger, hey, jfk.

[Alex Jones]

Right?

[Dan]

No, but he kind of gave Roger a running start as if they were gonna have an interview.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And so Roger answers some of his questions and then gets confused that Alex isn't there anymore.

[Jordan]

Course.

[Alex Jones]

But they are looking down the road to civil war. They're the ones who want A civil war. They're the ones who advocate violence. They're the ones who violate who. Who advocate insurrection. You can never forget their constant use of Alinsky's rules. Anything they accuse us of is always exactly. Precisely what they themselves are doing.

[Jordan]

But that's what you're doing.

[Alex Jones]

If I. If I continue to. All right, great. I am particularly glad I asked to come on today, because it is the 62nd anniversary of the murder of President John F. Kennedy. This.

[Dan]

This whole shit, it just feels like it's coming apart at the seams, like these alliances can't hold. Alex has to be against Marjorie Taylor Greene if he wants to play Kate. Roger.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

He needs to be absolutely in step with Trump if he wants to be able to exist in the same space as Roger.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So the compromise that it feels like is going on now is just like, all right, Roger, I'm not even going to be on air with you.

[Jordan]

I'll see you. I'll see you on the other side.

[Dan]

Yeah. If I can avoid getting into a place where we have to argue. Yeah, I'm going to do that. But that's not a permanent solution.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

And I think that over time, all we're seeing is more and more people who are in Alex's sphere, in his orbit, that are becoming a problem. Nick Fuentes is a problem for him because he can say things that Alex can't. And Marjorie Taylor Greene now is gonna be a problem if he ever has her back on the show, because she's going to have a perspective he can't have when he had people like Max Blumenthal on or Elijah Schaefer. These people are able to criticize Trump in a way that Alex isn't free to.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The proportion of those people is going to keep increasing unless Alex fortifies and only has people like Roger on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's the choice that he's being presented with.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It does feel like the currency of the upcoming future will be freedom. That will be. What attracts people is the. The just like, oh, shit. You are truly unencumbered.

[Alex Jones]

The.

[Jordan]

The idea of, like, fuck it. Say whatever the fuck you want. Like, literally anything you want. It doesn't even matter anymore. Will be the most attractive kind of thing.

[Dan]

I think it will, but I. Well, I think that it is and has always been to some degree, but I think that some people are able to fake it.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Well, you.

[Dan]

Because you can create a facsimile of being able to say whatever you want by just saying horribly offensive things.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And that's not Saying whatever you want. That's just being an asshole.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like, Alex can scream about how he can't suck a dick or whatever, and that's masking that. He can't say certain things about Trump.

[Jordan]

Right. It's masking that he in many ways is giving oral pleasure to, but he.

[Dan]

Has the freedom to say these things that are shocking and weird and outside of what you'd see on Fox or whatever. But it really, it just is to obscure the fact that he is more muzzled than many other commentators might be.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that getting real with that and it being inescapable for him is going to be a crisis.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, that's the double edged sword of like choosing a thing, of being like, well, I'm Trump now. That means you're not free. And so the only way to be free is to remove that completely.

[Dan]

Well, yeah. And like, it's one thing to be like, I'm into Trump and I'm going to support this.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

It's another thing to do whatever Alex has done and hang out with Roger and like, that is like, you can be free if you change your mind on Trump.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex has a lot of other steps he needs to take before that freedom is even like within his grasp. Him pretending that he's gonna pray about this or whatever, it's like, it's delusional.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

You don't.

[Dan]

There's no light switch that goes on and off with your Trump support. You're a media surrogate for this guy.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's, it's. You're, you're, you're. You got to change your name.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's, it is. I mean, yeah, I think at. But at this point, regardless of what decision he does make in the future, there was a time to leave.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

That time passed. So he is responsible. Even if he leaves now, it is meaningless.

[Dan]

The time to leave was probably 2017.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Well, probably pretty soon after the first election. Yeah, probably that would have been a good time to maintain a little bit of integrity and still do the kind of damage that you want to do towards public institutions.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Anyway, he's like, fucked. And I think it's interesting how this is all having to play out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think the instinct to make Marjorie Taylor Greene quitting, mostly about Todd Blanche, is a strong impulse. I think it would have worked 20 years ago, maybe, but it is not going to work now.

[Jordan]

Not gonna do it.

[Dan]

And it's. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see what he does.

[Jordan]

You just can't Defend. You can't defend it. Like, I would. I'm. I'm amazed, you know, because you can't def. Like, it doesn't matter how left wing somebody was. It doesn't matter. If Bernie Sanders was doing literally everything I said. If he was like, oh, yeah, and he hung out with Epstein all the time, I'd be like, well, I'm not going to defend him at all. Ever. Done. I'm out.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm done. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Why you can't defend it.

[Dan]

The compromise of, like, whatever the policies that he believes in, that I support, that compromise is. Is no longer valuable. Yeah. Like, the. The balance is totally off.

[Jordan]

And do you know what? There's some other asshole who believes that same shit who could probably do just as good a job who hasn't been with Epstein. So let's just get that asshole.

[Dan]

Yep, that's.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

See, that's. Yeah, that's gonna be a problem for.

[Jordan]

It's just.

[Dan]

I have a. I have a hard time even figuring out, like, what do you say? Because. Because he is saying Trump is covering up Epstein, and I'm fine with it.

[Jordan]

And I'm fine with it.

[Dan]

His business partners were involved in this and money laundering and all this stuff, and it's too risky for him to do the right thing. So we're just gonna be fine with him doing the wrong thing.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I don't even have anything, like, I don't have, like, accusation.

[Jordan]

No, he's saying it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he's just saying it. When we see this in movies, it is when the main character knuckles up and, like, overcomes the challenge. That's the hero's journey in a nutshell. At no point in time does the hero's journey go like, you know, Darth Vader's fine. I mean, the emperor's a fairly good administrator.

[Dan]

Yeah. And Marjorie Taylor Greene is just essentially, like, staked a claim as a public voice of, like, I am not okay with this.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And Alderaan is Venezuela. And it makes sense.

[Dan]

Sense. Sure. Shouldn't have those boats.

[Jordan]

Shouldn't have those boats.

[Dan]

So we'll be back to see where Alex goes with this. See if he watches any more movies that he identifies with personally. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's Knowledge Fight Dot com.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor Woo.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex Robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air thanks for holding.

[Dan]

Hello, Alex.

[Jordan]

I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.