#1104: December 2, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight #1104: December 2, 2025

Episode Date: December 26, 2025
Hosts: Dan and Jordan
Main Theme: Dan and Jordan dissect Alex Jones’s December 2, 2025 episode, focusing on Jones’s increasingly open embrace of racism, his uncritical support of Trump despite cognitive dissonance and audience disillusionment, the platforming of white nationalist Nick Fuentes, and the evolving contradictions of right-wing media figures.

Episode Overview

Dan and Jordan, hosts of Knowledge Fight, examine Alex Jones’s InfoWars episode from December 2, 2025. The show zeroes in on Jones’s rhetorical twists as he navigates Trump’s repeated failures and scandals, the mainstreaming of extremist racist voices like Nick Fuentes, and the paradoxes of Jones’s “populist” brand. They also highlight how Jones rationalizes US military violence, virulent anti-Muslim rhetoric, criticisms from long-term callers, and the contradictions inherent in his relationship with his far-right guests and listeners.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Banter & Audience Praise

[00:58–03:56]

• Dan and Jordan reflect on their successful recent live shows in Portland, lauding the friendliness and conduct of their audience.
  • Jordan: “Your audience is the nicest group of people we have had in here. And I don’t know how long.” [02:24]
• Lighthearted discussion about advent calendar cheeses turns to indie music recommendations (Anastasia, "Tether") and jokes about cheese nomenclature.

2. State of the (Info)Union: Trump’s Lies and Jones’s Cognitive Dissonance

[06:43–14:46]

• Alex Jones opens his own show reacting to a Trump cabinet meeting, admitting Trump’s economic promises are hollow (“That’s a campaign promise. He’s not able to do that very quickly…”) [09:33]
• Dan and Jordan highlight that Jones is now openly describing Trump as an “elitist liar” whose rich-man populism is impossible to keep up.
  • Neo: “It sounds to me like Alex is describing an elitist liar who wants to use the power of the state to enrich multinational corporations while ignoring the economic factors that hurt everyday people… Unless you believed that the version Alex pretended exists is real.” [10:30]
• Commentary on how Jones’s listeners, and even Jones himself, are growing impatient with Trump repeatedly lying about the economy.
  • Alex Jones: “His voters are growing impatient. Yeah, big time. People are ordering smaller pizzas and fewer toppings. What does that tell us?” [12:08]
• Dan and Jordan note how Jones falls back on the “lesser of two evils” pitch but can no longer credibly do so.

3. The Nick Fuentes Factor: Mainstreaming White Nationalism

[15:36–19:45], [30:03–32:33], [47:14–49:05]

• Alex Jones teases a major guest: “Nick Fuentes, very controversial individual, will be joining me… to discuss and debate… his analysis of the Trump administration, his take on the fact that Israel and its undue influence in the United States is now one of the major front burner issues...” [15:43]
• The hosts explain how Fuentes is no longer using coded PC language; he can ignore Jones’s attempts to moderate him because the media ecosystem now bends toward the overtly racist (rather than moderating for the mainstream).
  • Neo: “Nick won’t calm down with his very obvious racism, so Alex just has to justify being cool with racists and hanging out with them and thinking they’re right about stuff… he’s really just showing people who he’s always been.” [18:46]
• Jordan likens Jones’s rationalizations for platforming Nazis as requiring “a cigar chomping movie villain” to justify it, since the real world offers no adequate excuse.
• Jones compares himself and Fuentes to Batman and Robin, but Dan and Jordan mock the analogy. In truth, Fuentes is more powerful and respected in their niche than Jones is willing to admit.

4. Trump’s Authoritarianism, Venezuela, and Jones’s Hypocrisy on War

[20:47–24:33], [32:50–34:04]

• Jones defends Trump blowing up Venezuelan ‘drug boats,’ chiding critics and claiming such actions are legal and justified.
  • Alex Jones: “…blowing up those drug boats is illegal. And of course it’s not.” [21:00]
• The hosts harshly critique the logic: How can Jones be antiwar or anti-imperialist, but uncritically back Trump’s military violence?
  • Neo: “Giving a pass on something so awful as this… means that you’d sign off on just about anything.” [23:52]
• Callers and the audience seem reluctant to back regime change in Venezuela, and Jones is forced to defend Trump’s unilateral violence.

5. Anti-Muslim Rant, Bigotry Laid Bare

[24:42–29:21]

• Alex Jones launches into an extensive, bigoted anti-Muslim rant, invoking stereotypes and historical falsehoods.
  • Alex Jones: “And as soon as Rome fell, the Middle East became… dominant just through culture and science. And then in comes Muhammad and wrecks it all.” [26:10]
  • Doubles down on inbreeding and IQ tropes.
• Dan and Jordan refuse to “engage with the bigot shit,” noting that if Jones really believed this, he’d just try to make Islam illegal.

6. Jones’s Audience: Disillusionment, Conspiracy, and a Caller’s Breakdown

[35:52–41:12]

• Longtime Jones caller, a doctor of 25 years, claims Trump is a secret Jewish supremacist and Mason, citing Henry Makow’s anti-Semitic works.
• Alex is forced to push back tepidly:
  • Alex: “Nothing against Henry Makow, but people write books saying I’m Bill Hicks.” [38:12]
• Dan and Jordan note how Jones is trapped: He cannot refute the conspiracy theories too strongly without implicating his own role in Trump’s rise.

7. Fuentes vs. Jones and the New Right-Wing Dynamic

[47:14–57:36, 61:49–65:01]

• When Fuentes joins the show, Jones immediately downplays the Batman/Robin dynamic, now calling it “George Washington and Andrew Jackson,” signaling Fuentes as an equal (or better).
• Fuentes argues that Republicans have all the power now and should be held accountable—the opposite of Jones’s perpetual victim stance.
  • Dan (as Nick Fuentes): “When Republicans are in charge, I really believe we have a special obligation to put the heat on Trump and to light a fire under them...” [51:10]
• Fuentes says Trump can always “throw us out to the base” when in trouble, calling out Jones for spreading and reinforcing Trump’s empty promises.
• They discuss the need to “outflank the left on economic populism,” but Dan and Jordan note the real motivation: capture the economic anxieties of white Americans while leveraging racism.

8. Media Criticism, Out-of-Context Clip Complaints, and Pettiness

[73:50–86:16]

• Jones and Fuentes whine about being “taken out of context” with short clips, insisting adversaries distort their words—a point Jordan and Dan lampoon since Knowledge Fight actually plays full-length clips.
  • Alex Jones: “If you’re ever watching a show...and you’re seeing 3, 4, 5, 6 seconds, you’re being deceived…” [77:33]
• Their real complaint is that only “Jewish voices” can call them out, not that anyone takes them out of context.
• Dan, with a dose of year-end pettiness, laments that Jones never acknowledges Knowledge Fight’s in-depth critique (which actually uses long-form analysis), and that Jones and Fuentes are “worse in context.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Neo (Dan): “It sounds to me like Alex is describing an elitist liar who wants to use the power of the state to enrich multinational corporations while ignoring the economic factors that hurt everyday people.” [10:30]
• Alex Jones: “People are ordering smaller pizzas and fewer toppings. What does that tell us?” [12:08]
• Neo: “Nick won’t calm down with his very obvious racism, so Alex just has to justify being cool with racists and hanging out with them and thinking they’re right about stuff.” [18:46]
• Jordan: “It is like when you are revealing that you have to sit down and imagine a scenario that makes this okay. And the scenario you come up with is so cinematically ridiculous that you like…are revealing how fucking racist you really are.” [19:16]
• Nick Fuentes: “We need, like, a Herculean effort to get those deportations up immediately.” [55:40]
• Dan: “Nick is calling out the game in front of Alex’s face… Alex is the person who takes those [Trump] statements and treats them as policy.” [57:10]
• Jordan: “I don’t understand this concept of fealty.” [57:37]
• Nick Fuentes: “The task of the right is to outflank the left on economic populism. That’s just the answer. It’s literally that simple.” [61:56]
• Neo: “Their real complaint is that only ‘Jewish voices’ can call them out, not that anyone takes them out of context.” [83:24]

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Key Timestamps

• [02:13] — Portland venue security’s praise of Knowledge Fight’s live audience
• [09:33] — Alex Jones admits Trump’s campaign promises on inflation are empty
• [12:08] — Jones notes even his base is weary (“smaller pizzas and fewer toppings”)
• [15:43] — Nick Fuentes announced as guests and rationale for normalization
• [26:10] — Start of anti-Muslim rant
• [38:12] — Caller’s Trump conspiracy and Jones’s attempt to wriggle away
• [51:10] — Fuentes: Republicans in power means the right must hold them accountable
• [55:40] — Fuentes: “Herculean effort” for mass deportations if he were President
• [61:56] — Fuentes lays out populist economic agenda
• [77:33] — Jones and Fuentes: “3-6 second clips are a deception”

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Conclusion: The Takeaway

This episode explores the deepening contradictions in Alex Jones’s InfoWars persona during the Trump era. Forced by his own alliances and previous rhetoric, Jones is now overt in his associations with white nationalism (via Nick Fuentes), justifying authoritarian violence abroad, and showing the cracks of cognitive dissonance as his audience grows more conspiratorial and disaffected. Fuentes, meanwhile, represents an even less subtle, openly racist next generation that finds Jones’s evasions passé.

Dan and Jordan continually hammer home how hollow Jones’s rationalizations sound (“Trump is an elitist liar, but you can’t vote Democrat!”), mock the “out of context” canard by pointing out their own laborious, good-faith analysis, and illustrate how far figures like Jones are willing to chase the grift, even as their influence ebbs and their audience fractures.

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For listeners seeking an unvarnished view of right-wing media’s descent into open bigotry, cognitive dissonance, and grifter opportunism, this episode pulls back the curtain with biting humor and sober critique.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Neo]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Neo]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgefight.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge fight. Knowledge and fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Neo]

Need.

[Alex Jones]

Need money. Andy in Kansas.

[Neo]

Andy.

[Alex Jones]

Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a fish.

[Jordan]

Tim Color.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Neo]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Dan]

I'm Jordan.

[Neo]

Where a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Neo]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan Jordan. I have a quick question for you.

[Alex Jones]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Neo]

It's December still, so why don't you go first?

[Jordan]

December. My bright spot, I think, is since we already know where your bright spot's headed for the both of us, I will choose our amazing live shows in Portland.

[Neo]

What fun.

[Jordan]

It could not have gone better. Smoother.

[Neo]

We made a lot of comments and insults about the rain on Thursday.

[Alex Jones]

Definitely true.

[Neo]

It was still a lot of fun. And it wasn't that bad experience, too.

[Jordan]

It was an, it was an interesting experience, even if it wasn't perfect. And then Friday show is incredible. Everybody's. It was just great.

[Neo]

Yeah. Meeting people was a lot of fun. And everyone is, I think I, I, I assume everyone had a good time. Yeah, it seemed, it seemed like it.

[Jordan]

And, but I'll say that my bright spot, my bright bright spot is this. Not to put the venue's business out there, but in times, many venues have had to deal with frustrating audience members who are causing problems. Right? So they got security and they got all this stuff and they had asked us whether or not we needed anything. And I told the guys before the show even started, you won't need to worry about our audience. Right.

[Neo]

People are generally pretty chill. Probably, probably going to be cool on Thursday.

[Jordan]

Ten minutes before our show, I'm in the little side there, off to the side of the stage alcove, just looking out, seeing all the people wander in. And an independent security guy, like just out of nowhere pops up and he's like, I got to say, your audience is the nicest group of people we have had in Here. And I don't know how long.

[Neo]

Also, here are some cookies. Someone gave.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Absolutely, yes, 100%. And they were. And it was Thursday, so they're like. Even with the rain. Even with the rain, we would be like, oh, somebody's mad about it. Everybody was unfailingly polite and trying to help other people first.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it's, like, very wonderful that it doesn't get better than that. It just doesn't.

[Neo]

Yeah, definitely.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

The venue was fantastic as a whole, and, you know, they didn't need to fight anybody, but still provided all the. All the security and infrastructure that just let everything go so smooth, and it's just awesome. Yeah. You picked a good one.

[Jordan]

Yep. We worked it out this time.

[Neo]

Yeah. Just a blast. Also, just. I love to get out of town.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

We need to do more of that.

[Jordan]

Portland's awesome. People are great. Yeah. We got to travel more.

[Neo]

Yep. So we should.

[Jordan]

It's weird because nobody ever asks us to go to where they live. Everybody's like, stay away from us. Don't go to places like Atlanta or anything like that. It's weird.

[Neo]

Well, we can't go to Atlanta because the pyramids.

[Jordan]

That is true.

[Neo]

Right?

[Jordan]

That is true.

[Neo]

That is. That is a thought that we had.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

And I do have a really good idea for an episode in Atlanta.

[Jordan]

Well, we can't go.

[Neo]

Yeah. Oh, well. So anyway, thank you for, you know, finding the venue, putting all those pieces together.

[Dan]

Of course.

[Neo]

Crushed it.

[Jordan]

Thank you, everybody, for coming out.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And thank you for putting on some great shows. Dan.

[Neo]

Good times. Good times.

[Jordan]

All right, what's your bright spot?

[Neo]

Well, it is December.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

And even though Advent calendars only last 24 days, I have a leftover cheese here from the Advent calendar because I didn't end up eating all of them. Ate most of them. I didn't eat all of them.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

And so we have another installment of cheese.

[Alex Jones]

I've had some of the big cheeses. That is really big, folks.

[Neo]

This is a big old cheese.

[Jordan]

That is a really big cheese.

[Neo]

Thank you to Morgan for sending in that sound drop.

[Alex Jones]

Nice.

[Neo]

I got here one of the Advent calendar cheeses. And this, my friend, you know, we've had a mature Gouda.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Jordan]

This is an immature Gouda.

[Neo]

Oh, this is a mature Gouda.

[Jordan]

That is not an immature Gouda.

[Neo]

No, but it's just a Gouda. So that implies that it is not mature.

[Jordan]

That's a good point.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If you have mature, you require a modifier, then the modifier does seem necessary.

[Neo]

This is youthful Gouda. That Is just out of control.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Doesn't understand the value of a dollar.

[Jordan]

No. No.

[Neo]

Doesn't think that it'll get old one day.

[Jordan]

Still smokes a pack a day.

[Neo]

Immature Gouda.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Disgusting.

[Neo]

But it's immature Gouda with mustard seed. Oh. So I'm excited to try this, and this is the part where I open this up. Jordan vamps.

[Jordan]

Well, I am glad to vamp today because at the end of the year, I like to check out people's top music lists, and for the most part, they are usually terrible, and I feel like an old, old man. But there's a new person to me. I don't know if they're new at all, but their name is Anastasia or Anastasia or whatever you want to call it. And they sound like a mixture of Nina Simone and Tom Waits. The album is Tether, and it is one of the best that I've listened to it I don't know how many times in a row now, because this voice is incredible. It is astonishing, and I can't stop listening to it.

[Neo]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Listen to that voice.

[Neo]

I don't love that cheese.

[Jordan]

I believe you. It's very immature.

[Neo]

I think that one of these Jesus. With peppercorns, that adds a lot. I don't know if mustard seeds give you the same. I don't know if it complements as well. Yeah, I don't love it.

[Jordan]

The peppercorn kind of bursts when you break it. The seed kind of smooshes a little bit, doesn't it? Doesn't the seed kind of mush? Yeah, It's a difference.

[Neo]

Not. Not the best. So I also looked at someone's year end list.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah? Yep, yep.

[Neo]

And I discovered this little indie band, Chicago. You heard of them?

[Jordan]

I have heard of Chicago.

[Neo]

They're named after the city we.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's easy to remember their name, really.

[Neo]

Very obscure band.

[Jordan]

Yeah. A lot of horns.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Big horn band. Yep.

[Neo]

Some awful, awful ballads.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. All right, we're going to be talking about December 2, 2025, jumping back into normal times.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

No audience in front of us.

[Jordan]

No. Just doing the work.

[Neo]

And because we are back to. To a normal situation here, we should start with saying hello to some wonks.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's a great idea.

[Neo]

So first, Jules makes games developer of the Outbreak story. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neo]

Thank you. Next, Harry Ascarak. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neo]

Thank you. And the Baron Von Ricken Bowen Tickin Pocken plus one to the Poppin party at Bohemian Grove is reserved for Millica. Millica Momo. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neo]

Thank you. And we got technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Josh C. Thank you for moderating the Facebook group. You've put in a lot of work to do the most thankless job you can find. Well, here's your reward. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Caller]

Four star. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Alex Jones]

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Bom, bom, bom, bom bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean blanket black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce. Jesus Christ.

[Neo]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yes, thank you very much.

[Neo]

So December 2nd, we are here in. In. In the last month of the year. Shit's bad. Nah, it's going great. Trump's covering up the Epstein file stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

The deadline is, you know, a couple weeks away.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

So there's.

[Jordan]

The deadline's in the past and yet somehow we still haven't hit it.

[Neo]

Well, we did hit one, and then at this point, the imagined deadline is a couple weeks away. And so there's kind of a little bit of breathing room on that stuff. Maybe a little bit less poking.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

Marjorie Taylor Greene has resigned.

[Jordan]

Still resigned.

[Neo]

Venezuela looks bad coming up. And so this is the situation we find ourselves in as Alex is on the show and he starts with a little bit of audio from Trump's press conference. All right. Or no, it's a Cabinet meeting that.

[Jordan]

He'S doing Japan a lot.

[Alex Jones]

We just had. Toyota is going to spend $10 billion, they just announced, on building new plants in this country. Our workers, they're going to be our workers. That's the ongoing Cabinet meeting he's having. And I just noticed as we were going live, he was talking about how great the economy is and cheerleading American business, which is important to get foreign investment into the country, but for the average American. He told them, oh, I'll be able to cut inflation back overnight. And I said, that's a campaign promise. He's not able to do that very quickly. They can slow it and get a lot of new jobs and get pay up, which will balance out which Is the policy cool policy or stagflation depression with inflation, which is the great reset, which is what the globalists want. So instead of explaining that to people, he just gets up and says, we have the best economy ever. Best economy in the world.

[Neo]

So Alex's take on Trump here is that he's trying to court foreign investment by lying to and gaslighting the American public into thinking that the economy is better than it is. Further, Alex is clearly accepting that Trump rose to power by making cynical false promises about how he could fix the issues that impact the public, just like every other politician in history. Alex didn't say that the fixing inflation was a. This is a campaign promise. This is just rhetoric. Nope, that's not what he said at the time.

[Jordan]

No. In fact, he was promising. Promising things during the campaign, rhetorically.

[Neo]

It sounds to me like Alex is describing an elitist liar who wants to use the power of the state to enrich multinational corporations while ignoring the economic factors that hurt everyday people. Sure. Which is not surprising for Trump. Unless you believed that the version Alex is pretended exists is real.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, fine, you got bamboozled. We all get bamboozled. You believed it in the past. That happens, you know, what are you gonna say? Sure, you made a mistake.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Change, grow, move on. I just don't understand how even if you like Trump generally, you would listen to him and go, I should believe what he's saying. Right? Like, if it's something you like or don't like, you should just be like, hey, I don't believe you. I think this guy's the best man for the job, but I don't believe any words he's saying.

[Neo]

Yeah, yeah. Honestly, I mean, like the lesser of two evils type arguments, they're always pathetic. Sure, it's legitimately the only one that makes sense anymore.

[Jordan]

There's just nothing else to say.

[Neo]

He's a piece of shit, right? Fuck, do I hate the other people.

[Jordan]

What else is there to say? I know he's a piece of shit.

[Neo]

Yeah, we have the wool is away.

[Jordan]

From everyone's eyes Undeniable. This is a turd gleaming in the sun. We all see it, but I guess. What about our emails, man, it could.

[Neo]

Be worse Is basically the only sales pitch we have left.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Neo]

So the base, and I think Alex assesses this fairly accurately, is just kind of tired that Trump keeps lying to them.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, but he really should stop telling people. And I've had Rasputin pollsters on who are the best. Everybody. This is what pisses people off. And when I criticize Trump, it's to get him to course correct, which they're doing more and more. But man, he just loves to talk about the 18 trillion committed and the 6, 7, 8 trillion that's already now being invested, and that's going to be great in a year or so, but it's not here yet. Yeah, they're building these factories, chip factories, car factories, stuff everywhere. It's definitely coming back. Trump vowed to end inflation. His voters are growing impatient. Yeah, big time. People are ordering smaller pizzas and fewer toppings. What does that tell us?

[Neo]

Oh, no. If you cut through all the bullshit, what Alex is saying is that the base is sick of Trump lying to their face about things that they're personally experiencing. He can crow about how great the economy is, but they're buying pizzas with less toppings on them. So what if some American billionaires are getting richer?

[Dan]

Hmm.

[Neo]

The reality of Trump's gold, toilet and fraud lifestyle is finally catching up to the folks who have been forced to pretend that his political beliefs were ones that helped the working person. The populist illusion is becoming impossible for the base to accept, and that's a huge problem for Alex. In order to keep supporting him as a media surrogate, Alex needs Trump to tone down the pompous narcissism and act more like a normal president. But Trump never was that and was never going to be. It's stuff like this where Alex is thinking he can just yell at Trump and he'll course correct that, make me suspect that Alex didn't fully understand the game he was playing with Trump and Roger. I wouldn't be too surprised if Alex thought they were gonna do all the chaotic stuff and it would be an elaborate strategy to facilitate the white identity takeover of the government, and that they would start operating efficiently and smoothly once that takeover had happened.

[Jordan]

Amazing.

[Neo]

I don't think he realized that the chaos and being an asshole thing was never going to stop, is who these people are.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

I think he thought, like, isn't it a brilliant strategy? The libs can't stop crying.

[Jordan]

I mean, I don't. I don't know how better to describe like or how better to elucidate how bad an idea it is to just, like, trigger the libs as a political ideology, other than to say, look, look, this is what happens when you're triggering. Is your entire political ideology a thief and a con man? That's it.

[Neo]

Yeah. And I think that if someone on the left, like, had no, like, not a lot or maybe no substance Past like, fuck, the right wingers are pissed at this guy. What value does that have? I don't think, I really don't think you'd get a lot of traction.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neo]

You might become a social media star or something. You might get like a following on Twitter.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

But I don't know. I don't know if there's a voter base for just like, you know what?

[Jordan]

I think you've just. I think you've hit your nail. No, no, no. I think you've kind of hit the nail on the head. Right.

[Dan]

The.

[Jordan]

The limits of social media star on. On like a quote, liberal kind of perspective will not be president. Probably not on the right wing. Social media star means you could become president.

[Neo]

Ed King.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Neo]

And King, I made a ha sound because I realized like Gavin Newsom had been trying to do that acting like Trump online thing and that was specifically just to make right wingers mad. Yeah. But I also think there was some backlash from people even on the left. They're like, why are you.

[Jordan]

What are you doing? You nobody. You're not making people who you want to like you. Like you. Yeah, you're an asshole.

[Neo]

There isn't governing value in this.

[Jordan]

No, that's the problem.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neo]

So Alex has a guest coming on and it's an exciting guest. It's an avant garde guest and it's a Nazi guest.

[Jordan]

God damn it.

[Alex Jones]

Nick Fuentes, very controversial individual, will be joining me in the third and fourth hour today to discuss and debate different world events and how he sees the midterms. Coming up, his analysis of the Trump administration, his take on the fact that Israel and its undue influence in the United States is now one of the major front burner issues. We will talk about a lot with Nick coming up in the third and fourth hour. And you saw the big controversy when Tucker a month ago interviewed him and folks trying to cancel Tucker. You can't have the left saying Christians, Catholics and whites are inherently evil and bad. And I've got big compilations here of that. You've all seen it everywhere. And then when somebody turns around and says, fine, I'll be race based back against you, and then say, they're the devil, it is the globalists, it is the universities, is the left that created this climate. And Nick Fuentes is mild compared to where a lot of people are going.

[Neo]

So Tucker Carlson was until recently the highest watched and paid anchor on Fox News. He's someone with a decades spanning career in mainstream broadcast journalism and he's friends with the President as well as most of the administration. He gives keynote speeches at Turning Point events in front of arenas, and recently held a tour of his own events where he interviewed thought leaders of the extreme right wing like Russell Brand, Alex himself, and Trump's son. There's no equivalent of him that Alex can play in any compilation who's saying that white people or Christians are inherently evil. Nor is there any equivalent of him Alex can come up with who's giving friendly interviews to people who say that white people or Christians are evil. I'm sure that there's some kind of random people on TikTok, maybe even people with sizable audiences that say that kind of shit. But in terms of a figure who's accepted as part of the mainstream of broadcasting, who's personally associated with all of the power structure, and whose dad was apparently in the CIA, there's no one close. If someone online being racist against white people, that sucks and they shouldn't do that. But it doesn't justify interviewing and being friends with explicit white supremacists. You can't just say they started it and then everything is cool. Yeah, we've been doing this show for a long time, so it's very clear to us that Alex's message has always been rooted in white identity and that Nick is exactly the sort of person he would want to promote. He's struggled to get Nick to speak in more PC coded language so he wouldn't scare off some of the more normie people left in the Infowars audience. But it's become clear that isn't happening and that Nick has no reason to moderate his message at all. Other figures bend to him, not the other way around. So if Alex wants to continue this association with Nick, the thing to do is explain to the audience how racism is totally cool and loving. It doesn't make you a racist. If someone else is racist to you, you get to be racist back as a defense.

[Jordan]

It makes perfect sense.

[Neo]

Anyway, the point here is that Alex can't even really hide what he's doing anymore. Trump won't stop lying and covering up sex trafficking networks, so Alex has to justify lying and covering up sex trafficking networks. Nick won't calm down with his very obvious racism, so Alex just has to justify being cool with racists and hanging out with them and thinking they're right about stuff. Yeah, he thinks he's hiding a ball with this kind of talk, but he's really just showing people who he's always been. Yeah, it's just now there's nowhere left to hide.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. It Is like when you are revealing that you have to sit down and imagine a scenario that makes this okay. And the scenario you scenario you come up with is so cinematically ridiculous that you like literally he's requiring a cigar chomping movie villain to be like, and we will end Christianity in order to justify his friends existing regularly. Right. Like that's insane.

[Neo]

It's. That's the only thing that would kind make it okay for me to do this interview. So that's the world we live in.

[Jordan]

Right. You have. It hasn't occurred to you that that is so far insane that what you're revealing is how fucking racist you really are?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And how much you know it's inappropriate to be doing?

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Neo]

Like, and, and like we've talked about before, like Alex has known the entire time that he's known Nick and the Groipers. He's known that behind the scenes they fucking love Hitler and they're not joking.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

He knows that and he has chosen to ignore that because he also wants to expand that message.

[Jordan]

Right. Right.

[Neo]

Here's.

[Jordan]

See, okay. See, here's why it's okay for us to be racist. I know, I know it seems bad to you right now, but there are aliens who are going to kill everybody unless it's just white people. So do you get it? There's. There's only two options. There's just white people or everybody dies.

[Neo]

Well, when you put it like that.

[Jordan]

I mean there's no choice. Right. We have to have the species continue. So it's not racism really get any.

[Neo]

Long Musk's ship quicker.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

So there's international intrigue going on. And by that I mean Trump is blowing up boats. Yeah. And he shouldn't be. It doesn't seem cool. Alex loves it.

[Alex Jones]

A lot of really good questions got asked at the Pentagon today by Jack Posobic, by Brianna Morello, our reporter, and others. We've got a lot of that coming up. Part of the color revolution is falsely claiming that Hegseth is a war criminal and that blowing up those drug boats is illegal. And of course it's not. That's all part and parcel of this.

[Neo]

The argument that's made in favor of blowing up these Venezuelan boats is that they're carrying lots of drugs which will end up killing US Citizens if they aren't blown up. The people on board have no rights because they're trafficking drugs in a way that Trump has decided make them terrorists so they can be killed indiscriminately. Obviously I disagree with this, but if Alex accepts that killing people in those boats is just and legal. Why did he ever have a problem with the war in Afghanistan? It wasn't the whole story, but folks like Tucker in the past justified fighting the Taliban by pointing out that they were responsible for a large chunk of the international opium production and that was killing America.

[Jordan]

It's so totally crazy how often it's okay for people to kill other people as long as they're doing something to us.

[Neo]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Abstractly, yeah.

[Neo]

Maybe it was to Alex's credit that he didn't accept this as a justification for war in the 2000s. But here we are 20 years later, and it's pathetic to see where he's ended up. If he believes that the United States military can indiscriminately blow up boats and kill whoever it wants, then every criticism that he's ever made of US Militarism falls apart. And so many of the things that were like, well, he makes a good point there. It's like, well, no, he did. He clearly didn't mean it.

[Jordan]

Didn't mean a fucking word of it.

[Neo]

That was about something else.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It is like the concept of thought leader reveals itself to be fucking stupid whenever you realize these people are just following along with what is popular at the time, you know, like, oh, oh, no, it's good. We're live. Fuck off.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Just ridiculous.

[Neo]

And I. I find it to be really, just deeply troubling. Yeah. Because I think that, like. Okay, I think that there's no excuse to blow up these boats.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And I think that arguing in favor of it is something that. Like, what can't the military do that when, like, at what point can Alex really have a problem with them, like, doing a false flag? Absolutely. Even.

[Jordan]

And why don't. Why don't they have to prove it? Yeah. You know, like, if you're. If you're just willing to take them by their word, then what else have they said to you? You know, like, why wouldn't anything be okay?

[Neo]

Yeah. There's a lot of criticism that should go around for all kinds of, you know, particularly the violent things that our governments do.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

And I think that giving a pass on something so awful as this. Such a easy.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

It's such an easy level to get to, to be critical of.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

It means that you'd sign off on just about anything.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. And with drugs, specifically, because we have seen them in our lifetime change from legal to illegal and back to legal and back to illegal. Right. Revealing the arbitrary nature of their legality means that this is by no means a moral decision. No, this could be. This drug could be legal tomorrow and they still wouldn't apologize for blowing up the boats yesterday. And it's not a moral thing.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

If the drug were like accessed in a different way, it might be illegal tomorrow.

[Jordan]

Yep. Absolutely.

[Neo]

And we would treat the problem entirely differently. Either way, just an easy thing.

[Jordan]

Again, either way, Donald Trump is murdering people and will get away with it however often he wants.

[Alex Jones]

Cool. Yeah.

[Neo]

So this next clip is what I would describe as a real anti Muslim rant.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Neo]

That Alex goes on.

[Jordan]

Good stuff.

[Neo]

Pretty gross.

[Jordan]

Yay.

[Neo]

Pretty gross.

[Alex Jones]

You know, over 80% of the military age males that have come into Europe, the same number, some countries are up to 90. They never get a job. They either wear tracksuits or the nightgowns that they wear, or women wear the beekeeper outfits and they just create no go zones and just sit around on welfare and then deal drugs and run sex slavery because we're kafirs or infidels and so they're allowed to sell us drugs, put us in sex slavery because we're subhuman. You mean to play a bunch of their newscast, national Islamic TV around the world saying that? I mean, that's what's going on. But they don't allow the jihadis in Saudi Arabia or Jordan or Egypt. No, they're exported here by the leftist NGOs to further destabilize the country. And it's a real shame because the Middle east, until the rise of Muhammad 1400 years ago, had some of the greatest science, greatest art, greatest architecture, culture. I mean, it was at the top, just leaps and mounds. And as soon as Rome fell, the Middle east became. Was becoming dominant just through culture and science. And then in comes Muhammad and wrecks it all.

[Jordan]

That doesn't sound true.

[Alex Jones]

Absolutely wrecks it, that seems. And then the inbreeding starts and the low IQs and the deformities and all the rest of it.

[Jordan]

I find that strange to believe.

[Alex Jones]

And the Arabic Muslims went and sacked all the other kingdoms around them where the people look just like them, but they were cultured. And that's what's so sad about it.

[Jordan]

It is sad.

[Alex Jones]

It is sad. They destroyed it.

[Neo]

I don't even care to engage with the bigot shit Alex is putting out here. But I want to bring attention to one thing. If Alex believes this, I struggle to see why he doesn't just say that being Muslim should be illegal. Yeah, I don't think he sees it as a religion, which means that there wouldn't be a conflict with the First Amendment. If he wanted to just, just come out and say we should ban Islam.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Like, I don't understand what.

[Jordan]

And we should label anybody who is Islamic a terrorist. And we should. Anybody who's found holding a Quran should be arrested and et cetera, et cetera. Well, God damn it, we're Nazis again. Shit.

[Neo]

I honestly don't think that there's much air between those two, like, where he's at with this. And I think that sucks. I think, I think he's a real, real asshole.

[Jordan]

Here's what, here's where I'm thinking right at this point. It's 2020. It's about to be 2026.

[Neo]

True.

[Jordan]

This whole America country been going on for a while now. Some patterns have developed. For instance, a first generation immigrant from anywhere will be called a welfare sucking sex worker person monster. Right. And this has been true since 1790. Yeah, it's been true since 1680. This has been true whenever a set of colonists were like, we're going to be in Georgia. And they were like, oh, those guys are all rapists. Like, that's. That's it.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Why don't we have it in our brochure for prospective immigrants? Like, hey, our idiots. We tried. Did we try? Not really. We put them in charge. But anyways, our idiots are going to call you.

[Neo]

This is like part of the onboarding process.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. And you're in your, you got to do your citizenship paperwork. You got to do that. And then there's the, like, like waver. There's like, our idiots are just fucking stupid, man. There's nothing we can do.

[Neo]

We apologize. They're heavily armed and we can't stop them.

[Jordan]

And then we gave them control of the government, so we've made mistakes. Anyways, welcome to Kansas.

[Neo]

Sure. I think that one of the funny things about this jag that Alex goes on is that later Nick comes on and he's like, there is no real problem with Muslims in the United States.

[Jordan]

Oh, it's the Jews. Yeah. We're both smart. We're both smart. See, you're dumb. You think it's Muslims, I think it's Jews. We've both arbitrarily chosen people from somewhere else to hate.

[Neo]

Yeah. But his, his perspective on, on that, like, fully takes the wind out of Alex's sails. Yeah. It's just like, why are you so scared of this thing? That I am telling you is not a problem.

[Jordan]

It is interesting because it's like a, it's like a. Who are you Scared of off, you know, like, oh, man, it's Muslims who are gonna kill you, you loser. Muslims can't do shit. It's the Jews who are coming after you.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Hey, hey, both of you shut up. The Indians are coming.

[Neo]

Yeah, it's like a debate club kind of thing going on between a debate kid and a drunk guy who's not supposed to be at the school.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm. I'm afraid of spiders now, you idiot. It's scorpions. Fuck. Yeah.

[Neo]

Yeah, they have more legs on a spider.

[Jordan]

More legs on a spider, but the tail.

[Neo]

So Nick is coming in and Alex reveals a little bit about how he. He likes to think about the boy.

[Alex Jones]

The crew made this ridiculous graphic, which I love. I'm Batman and Nick Fuentes is Robin. Nick's joining us here in about 53 minutes from now. So there you go. That should be an interesting discussion debate coming up in the third and fourth hour today. And I'm going to have them post that image above the live feed on X and point out that nick's on about 50 something minutes and that. Please post your questions in that, post under it. And then, guys, print me off some of the questions or comments or statements. Show that we can do that on air with Nick. We're gonna post that again right on top the live show fee at the top of X. So you see that post, you just put your comments or questions in there. We'll print them off and I'll read those on air with Nick that way. I'm not the one captain of the ship here. You, the listeners and the viewers are.

[Neo]

I want to take as little responsibility for this as possible.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Neo]

Now, I think that Batman and Robin have a partnership. I think that there's a mutual respect that the two have.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And I think that Nick does not respect Alex at all. I think the imagining himself to be Batman to Nick's Robin is insane. Unless you think like, well, it's Robin's job to steal the Batcave.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

If Batman has associated with Robin for the sake of, like, turning the Batcave into a Nazi hideout.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. Then, yeah, like the Batman comes home. And then slowly, time is like all this Batman iconography used to have more bat, and now it seems like a bunch of line, oh, that's the Nazi symbol, isn't it?

[Neo]

Oh, no, I did some remodeling Batman.

[Jordan]

But then Robin was like, hey, have you considered, though, that we're kind of exploiting the socioeconomic difference between us and the people that we describe as having a quote unquote life of crime. And so maybe actually we are the Nazis in the first place. And then Batman's like, you're right. And then they just go back to work.

[Neo]

Robin, I noticed that all of your thugs. Why do you have thugs now, by the way?

[Jordan]

Thugs, Robin.

[Neo]

And they're all bald. Is that a coincidence?

[Jordan]

Yeah, their heads. I can see the skin.

[Neo]

Yeah. So I think that there's a fascinating glimpse there into how the audience, or at least the staff of Infowars, wants to paint Alex's relationship with Nick and how much he wants to sign off on that.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Neo]

And it's pathetic.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, I am Batman, right?

[Neo]

Sure you are, man. So Alex goes to calls and one of the things that comes up is the Venezuela situation and people are pretty reluctant to support this.

[Jordan]

I think you mean just random blow ups.

[Neo]

Alex's audience, I don't think is super interested in a war.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Because they were told this is whole like peace candidate.

[Jordan]

We're really against the war.

[Neo]

Yeah. And so Alex has to defend it a little. They are.

[Caller]

They are.

[Neo]

And we cannot. We can see how they use the.

[Caller]

Special ops group that went into Venezuela to overthrow Maduro. On a secret note, I just, like you said, we need to send the military in there and we just need to stay away from the special Forces because I think that's where the psyops.

[Alex Jones]

Are going to take place. Well, it's not just the special Forces. It's the CIA advising him to set them up. Overall, Trump has the power to regime change his constitutional. My problem is the setup of getting bad intel from the CIA and. Yeah, the setup that happened about three weeks ago where they put a fake group in and then rolled it up. Embarrass Trump. Absolutely. That's the issue. Thank you.

[Neo]

So Trump has the ability to do regime change. He can do regime change. He, not the government or like an act of Congress, can declare war. Nothing like that. Trump can do regime change. Alex just doesn't want the CIA to trick him and make him look bad or something. I don't, I can't imagine this squaring with the views that Alex is supposed to have.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I here's. Okay, now, this wasn't on purpose. I'm not ascribing this to anybody's brilliance or capability whatsoever, not even competence. But I find it interesting that because of the propaganda that's gone on for so long about Obama being a dictator during those years where everything was ascribed to him. It was Obamacare. It was. Why is Obama doing this? Why is Obama, you Know, like, all of that reinforced for the people who consumed it that the president is the king already. Right. So one section of the world got news that only said, well, the president is a king. And then the rest of us got news that was like, Congress is keeping him from doing stuff, you know.

[Neo]

Yeah. And I think. I think what you're saying, I think is a danger that we still exist in.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Neo]

You know, like, with Trump is kingly in a lot of ways.

[Dan]

Right.

[Neo]

In his behaviors, but he's not just a unitary, like a single thing.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Neo]

And so I do try to be conscious of saying, like, the Trump administration. Sure. You know that collective noun that was used as Obama.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Neo]

I do think you're right that there is, like, an amount that. That plays into how justified it feels to do.

[Jordan]

Now, why wouldn't we do it? They were doing it first. Right, right. Normalize now, regardless of the fact that they fucking weren't, and that it was all a gigantic lie perpetrated to get us to this exact point that we are now. Yeah, sure.

[Neo]

And I think that that's the danger that you have with, like, you know, doing it again.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Is like, you justify worse governance next.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

You know, or whatever.

[Jordan]

And then the next thing you know, you're saying stuff like, only a king can kill a king. And then you're like, ah, fuck, we're too far gone.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Unless we get dragons. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Then dragon. Dragons would make up lot of the difference.

[Neo]

Yeah. So we get another call, and it's a guy who's like, did you know that Trump is actually a Jewish supremacist and a member of the Masons?

[Jordan]

I did not know that.

[Neo]

And Alex has been talking to this guy for a really long time, and so he can't be mean to him. And so that's not good.

[Caller]

Alex. The problem we've all had and the reason we're pulling our hair up trying to figure out is Trump with us or against us, is that he. He flew under a false flag to get into office. He said he was maga, but he's hopelessly conflicted. He is a member of Kabad, a Jewish supremacist organization, as Henry Makow points out in his book Illuminati 4. And he's also a Freemason, which also is Kabbalah light. So his allegiance is first and foremost to Israel, which is why he went ahead and bombed Iran, despite the fact that he had no. No congressional cover to do that. He. I mean, it was a war crime, actually, to bomb a country that had done absolutely nothing to us. So.

[Alex Jones]

By the way, Mike, aren't you a doctor? Yeah. You're a doctor. You've been on. You've been on calling for like, 25 years, right?

[Caller]

That's right.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

So you're a smart guy. You've been calling 25 years. Good to hear from you. You. You said Trump is a Mason. Where's the proof of that?

[Caller]

Again, it's from. From Henry Makow, who was himself in these organizations. He knows. Speaking of that Trump, Trump is on board.

[Neo]

Even.

[Caller]

You also have to understand, as he points out Mako does in his book, a former member of Chabad, a former Freemason, that Netanyahu was trained from his birth in Philadelphia by the Rothschilds using satanic ritual abuse. He's on a suicide mission for Israel. And I don't know if the Israeli people understand that what he's doing here just indiscriminately slaughtering Palestinians. And I don't know if Trump understands that either.

[Alex Jones]

Well, Nothing against Henry McCow, but people write books saying I'm Bill Hicks.

[Neo]

So Henry Macau is an anti Semitic fuck and idiot. But Alex has gotten himself into a strange predicament here.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Because this caller is somebody who's called for 25 years.

[Jordan]

That's insane.

[Neo]

He's a doctor.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Alex, that's also insane.

[Neo]

Giving him credibility.

[Jordan]

That's insane.

[Neo]

But he's saying something that Alex cannot.

[Jordan]

Accept because it's insane.

[Neo]

Trump flew a false flag into office.

[Jordan]

Insane.

[Neo]

Because if we accept that as a possibility, you know who else was flying that flag? You bet, Alex. You bet Roger Stone worked for him.

[Jordan]

You got it.

[Neo]

There's no chance that Trump could fly a false flag and Alex not be aware of it.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't be guilty by association. I would be an accessory. I am part of the crime.

[Alex Jones]

Yes.

[Neo]

And so Alex is like, that's a. That's not good. This is not a good call to take.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I think this is emblematic of how bad I am at, like.

[Dan]

I guess.

[Jordan]

I guess maintaining a con or a lie or something, you know? Like, if it was me, I would be like, man, buddy, I got my money from you. Now we gotta stop it. It's all bullshit. This is all bullshit, man. I've been. This is bullshit. I'm out of here. Right? And they would be, because this call is so sad. You've been listening for how long?

[Neo]

25 years.

[Jordan]

And this. And you've said that to me?

[Neo]

I think it's.

[Jordan]

You have been listening to me talk for 25 years. And then you said that to me.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Neo]

Well, I think that there's something about, like, the incremental change that has to play a role in it. Cause if you've listened to this show for 25 years, then you've just heard Alex saying that the president can do regime change and that it's fine to blow up these boats.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

And if you've listened for 25 years, that's out of sync with the positions you're supposed to hold sacred. So, like, you have to be changed by the content that you're listening to over time to, like, stay into it. You can't listen for 25 years and have a consistent position.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Here's what I find here. Okay. Maybe this is an actual fascinating insight into where we are in the present. Hasn't. Right. This guy has been listening through all these years. He's not like us. He hasn't been like, I hate you. He's been in it. Right. And now here we are. And his response to all of this change and all of this stuff is the brain scramblers. Trump was never even MAGA the whole time. Like, he's. He's gone. It's. It's too far gone. There's nothing.

[Neo]

It's the desperate need to add a new layer on the conspiracy that explains away why you. You feel totally confused by.

[Jordan]

Long gone.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Full on gone. Because I've invented Trump as a secret Mossad Mason who is fake maga.

[Neo]

Yeah. But Alex can't really do much with this guy. He can't be that mean to him because they've been buddies for decades. And so he just gets a little bit frustrated and reveals how dumb he is.

[Alex Jones]

So where is Trump? Converted to Judaism? Where's Trump? A Mason? I just don't. I just. Troy, write some books saying.

[Caller]

He went to the funeral celebration, the death anniversary of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Mendel. Schneerson put on his kippah. Trump did, and, you know, placed his hand on the. On whatever monument is there. To Schneerson, this marks him as a member of Chabad Boom. I mean, why would a Christian president put on a kippah and celebrate the death of a crazy. An obvious rabid Jewish supremacist who wants to kill most of the gentiles on the face of the earth so that the Jewish race can, you know, come into its own.

[Alex Jones]

So let's just say what you're saying is true. So we should not. We should vote Democrat.

[Jordan]

No, no.

[Caller]

You know, don't put words in my mouth, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

I'm not, I'm not. I'm asking, what do we do about it? Let's just say it's true. He's a Mason, lies around the broom.

[Neo]

This caller has nothing and can't defend his points past dumb shit that Henry Macau is whined about in his anti Semitic books. But this exchange is fascinating because it reveals how little Alex has. He thinks that pushing back and saying anyone can write something in a book is going to be good enough to shake this guy. But then the caller comes back with this story and Alex can't really engage with it. He's condemned so many people for so much less than what this caller is describing, and he's based his recent career on yelling about spirit cooking and satanic rituals. This caller has Alex on the back foot with this because if he tries to minimize the seriousness or relevance of this Jewish funeral anniversary or whatever, it threatens to break the kayfabe that Alex's show exists in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And so all Alex can say is, what? You want to vote Democrat? That's all he has left in the tank. He's more pathetic and lost than any vote blue, no matter who MSNBC anchor that he would make a whole day out of making fun of. He can't argue with this caller who's accusing Trump of being a Jewish supremacist Mason. So his only refuge is lesser of two evils rhetoric. Alex has trapped himself in a box where the opposition to Trump is the greater of two evils by definition. Because they oppose Trump.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

This has been the cornerstone of his content for years. The idea that you know a person by their enemies and the devil hates Trump. I think it's a big part of what makes him unable to break with Trump. It's one thing to turn on him and be critical, but then what does that mean about all the demons who have been saying the same shit for years? If virtue is determined by whether or not someone supports Trump to the point where you call people the pejorative. Never Trumper. That's a term. That's an insult.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Do you have to reassess everything when you start, like, not supporting him?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neo]

Yeah. You have to start from scratch. How could those demons have been right about this thing that I'm wrong? If I defined you being bad by you being against Trump, do I now have to think maybe you weren't bad?

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Neo]

Uh oh. It unravels everything.

[Jordan]

It should. It should. But that's the great thing about America is That there's a real short memory for shit like that.

[Neo]

True.

[Jordan]

So a lot of people can just give it a year or two and then be like, like, yeah, actually, I was nice to you the whole time. Remember how in 2016, in the run up to the election, when I was like super nice to you about Trump all the time? Remember how nice I was? And I was like, hey, man, I don't know if I trust this guy, but at least he's not Hillary. You know how I never went further than that? You know, I was never like, oh, let's spend the next eight years of our lives trying to destroy the entire nation. I'm such a cool guy now. Right.

[Neo]

You know how I never cried about Trump on air, said I would give my life for him? I never did that kind of stuff.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Neo]

I never said I was a media circle surrogate for him. I never hung out with Roger Stone.

[Jordan]

If here's what I love, here's what I love about people and it's something that they'll never be able to truly understand. Right. It sounds totally reasonable to be like, what are you going to vote Democrat? It doesn't sound utterly insane to them that a line is just like, what are you going to pick a different guy for four years? Like, that's it. Like, it's like you've lived how many years?

[Neo]

I honestly think that some people don't sound insane saying that. I think that. Well, it depends on your level of engagement with stuff. It's also, I think it comes into intersection with like, how much do you want to care about politics? Sure, maybe for some people that is enough engagement. But for Alex, for someone who is like a political futurist analysis.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

Who cogitates with his brain.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Like that. I mean, I agree it's pathetic there.

[Jordan]

But that's, that's the thing. Like, at the very least, if you had the slightest bit of imagination or integrity to it, you could be like, you know what? Here's what we do. We vote Democrat in certain places to send a message. Because we have to send a message, because guess what? Me yelling at Trump through the Internet isn't doing it.

[Neo]

No, right.

[Jordan]

Like, at least have another idea other than like, well, there's nothing else we can do.

[Neo]

But I think that risks breaking the kayfabe in the same way as being like some ceremonial shit. Isn't ritual or isn't like magic, evil, devilry or whatever.

[Jordan]

It is a pure, like, at a fundamental level, the way we think is either going to change or we are going to go down with this ship.

[Neo]

And I think that there is a commitment to staying the course on.

[Jordan]

Feels like it.

[Neo]

Alex's side for sure.

[Jordan]

Feels like it.

[Neo]

So Nick. Nick Fuentes comes around and I think right out the gate, Alex seems grovelly. I think that he is so gross. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

By the way, I did not come up with me as Batman and Nick Fuentes is Robin. As if I'm the boss. The crew did that. It's absolutely ridiculous. More like I'm George Washington and he's Andrew Jackson. Generational thing. And Nick is having a generational run. It's true. I met Nick over nine, ten years ago. Thought it was very intelligent, very smart. Wasn't as, quote, radical as he is now.

[Neo]

Yes, yes, he was. He was much more secret about it. And Alex knew that because Millie Weaver hung out with them, told him about. About it, and told him not to hang out with her. With. But he did anyway way. I think that there's something really pathetic about like the way he. That Batman and Robin image when Nick's not there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Pretty fucking cool.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

When Nick is there. Hey, I'm not trying to say.

[Jordan]

I'm not trying to say that you're subordinate to me. Come on.

[Neo]

Cool, man.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

I guess Alex watched the Tucker interview and realized that Nick's as big as Alex.

[Jordan]

Sometimes when you are watching one of those old medieval age set movies, those old sword and fighting movies, you know, and there's all the kings and stuff, and you're like, man, this dialogue is really terrible, but I would bet you five bucks that guy's got his head on a spike by the end of this movie. And you're like, let's just skip ahead.

[Alex Jones]

Skip dupe.

[Jordan]

That's what this feels like. It feels like Nick just put a head on a spike already. Come on, man. Yeah, let's just move on.

[Neo]

Yeah, it's. It's taking too long. It is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Hey, maybe that has something to do with the bankruptcy and Alex's shit being kind of unattainable, you know?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

He can't close down even if he wants. Wants to. So Nick can't put him out of his misery.

[Jordan]

We're all trapped in hell now.

[Neo]

Yeah. So there's something that Alex is very defensive about, and that is that everybody is so negative about Trump. Yeah. Maybe we should be negative about the Democrats sometime.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Neo]

And I think that when he brings this up as a question to Nick, Nick has a great answer.

[Alex Jones]

Big picture. Answer this for me, because they can take clips out of context. When you. Trump's doing something good. I see you promote it. When you do something bad, you put pressure on him. But paradoxically, my listeners just want to complain about Trump all day, which is fine. We take their calls, we do it. But how much time should be spent on the Democrats? BlackRock, the globalist Islam? Because I also get to say whenever I cover something with Islam or China or anything, it's like, why aren't you exposing Israel? It's great to expose Israel. It's great that that taboo is over, the spell is broken. But then now, as we enter this new era of we're not just exposing foreign controlling influence, how do we then promote a new system? And then what does that stand for? What is America First? That's a big question, but I'm sure.

[Dan]

You can answer is a good question. And I get asked this question a lot because I spend all my time attacking Republicans and the right wing and Trump in particular. And people say, well, why don't you focus more on the left? Or why don't you focus exclusively on the left? And to that I would say we're in power right now. We, the Republicans, the Trump movement, are in power. Trump is in the White House. Republicans still, as of right now, control the House and the Senate. Allegedly, in the first term, they engineered it so that we could control the federal judiciary, the Supreme Court. So without a doubt, we have all the cards. We have all the power. And I think that when that is the case, especially maybe it's a different story. When Biden was in charge, I was certainly far more critical of the Democrats when he was the president. But when Republicans are in charge, I really believe we have a special obligation to put the heat on Trump and to light a fire under them, to get the things that they promised to do finished. Because we don't have that much time.

[Neo]

See, I think this marks a big division between Nick and Alex. Yeah, Alex, his shit is so based on victimhood and aggrievement that, like, he can't really acknowledge that they have all the power.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Everything is coming up Republican right now. And I think Nick can. I think he can acknowledge that and say it's masturbatory to fuck around and complain about AOC all day or whatever. That's not impacting and moving the ball forward. We have this small window of time where we have all the power, literally all the power. And all we can do is make demands that that power be wielded.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Otherwise we're just biding our time until Democrats get more power. And it become then the people like Trump have more excuses not to do the things we want them to do. So, like, I think his answer makes total sense.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. There's just, there's. There's one criticism for Democrats right now, and that's when there's a dragon, it reveals who is willing to fight it. And none of them are willing to fight a dragon. So that's where we're at.

[Neo]

Maybe not. None of the. Maybe not. None of them are willing to, but maybe everyone. Anyone who's willing has. Does not have enough backup and is not equipped.

[Jordan]

The greater. The villain demands a greater hero, and we have no greater heroes. That's the better way of putting it.

[Neo]

I do feel like it feels that way.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Stinks.

[Jordan]

And that's not. That's the. If that's your only criticism. Yeah. Heroes are tough to come by, buddy. You guys a bunch of assholes.

[Neo]

But to the, to the clip, though, like, nature Nick has a clarity of like, this is real.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Like, what he's talking about is the reason that I am much more critical of Republicans is because they have all the power right now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And that is who can do the things I want them to do.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

That's in the real world. Alex is not.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

The two of them talking to each other just makes Batman seem delusional and Robin seem like a real gymnast.

[Jordan]

Okay, how about this? Let me, let me throw this by you, all right? Now, Alex is from a generation of right wing grifters that existed at a time where everybody kind of assumed that the adults were in the room. Right. So their goal was never going to be the exercise or use of power at all. Always going to be about appearing to do something that way the adults in the room can have, you know, can have their way with our. Our poor asses. Right. But Fuentes is from a generation of right wing commentators that grew up where everybody looked around was like, are there? And then the answer was no. Right, Right. So power is something that you can take and can use.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Something that can be accrued democratically as to say without the, like, businesses and stuff online, you can, you can accrue this kind of power.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

And he also was pretty young when he was at like, the Unite the Right rally. And like, I know that I've been to big cr. Crowds of people.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And there's something anarchic about it.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Neo]

And if the. This is more the model of, you know, like, I can get power and then we can up.

[Dan]

Right.

[Neo]

You know, like, we can use the.

[Jordan]

Power to up as opposed in the meantime. Yeah. But guess what? Power and money are basically the same thing.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Whereas I think, Yeah, I think Alex is, His model is far more like, I, I, I know that he wants social change, but he also wants to be the chronicler.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

You know, he wants to be the storyteller that, that is telling.

[Jordan]

We all want social change and yada, yada, yada, we all want that stuff. But, you know, that takes time and that, and we'll make money in the meantime. Whereas Nick Fuentes is like, no, if you get power, watch this. I can blow up a Venezuelan boat and no one will stop us. Venezuela can't start a war with me.

[Neo]

Right. And if you get that power, all of the money that you're making selling these supplements is nothing. Who, neither compared to what you would be able to tip your beacon to.

[Jordan]

I can't afford Venezuela.

[Neo]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And I think, I think that there's a part of it that's cynical on Nick's part. Sure. But it's more connected to the real world than Alex ever could be, and I think it shows.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

So Alex asks Nick, like, what do you want want? And he's like, I want a lot of deportations.

[Alex Jones]

So what does Trump need to do right now? I mean, if you were the president, what would you do?

[Dan]

If I'm the president, I'm gonna do mass deportations. I'm gonna do everything in my power to deport as many people as possible immediately. And no excuses about. We need to spin up the personnel. And I get it. I talk to people that are in government, and I understand some of the problems, but we need, like, a Herculean effort to get those deportations of up immediately.

[Alex Jones]

Trump saying that he's going to total ban on all Third World immigration.

[Dan]

I thought it was the best statement he's had in probably five years. But it's just a statement. We need to. If he turned that into policy, I'd be happy as a clam, and I would be, you know, magna knight at the White House. It would be 2016 all over again. We're never coming down. But the problem is we always just get these, like, statements. Trump gets in trouble in the polls, he gets in trouble with his favorability, and then we always see that he brings out the red man and he throws us out to the base. And it's sort of disturbing that he knows exactly what to say. Like, that was a perfect statement that I would love. And so you say to yourself, oh, so you do know how to make us happy.

[Neo]

He knows how to excite the racists and get the base all excited.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Neo]

Now this is another interesting difference between Nick and Alex, and that is that Nick is kind of indicting Alex.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

Alex is the person who takes those statements and treats them as policy. He is the one who's distracting the base from whatever the negative poll, whatever Trump is in trouble for.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Nick is calling out the game in front of Alex's face a little bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

That's pretty.

[Jordan]

I mean it's the, it's the same like with Alex having to be like, okay, well here's why. It's. It's 4D chess for him to not release the Epstein file, whereas Nick can just be like, no, he's in him. He's a pedophile. Fuck him. You know? Like, God, I don't understand how people don't. I reserve the right to say fuck you to anybody.

[Neo]

Sure.

[Jordan]

For any reason. Yeah. No shirt. Fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Like no service. I don't understand this concept of fealty.

[Neo]

I don't, I don't think it's fealty. I really don't. I can't think it's fealty at this point. Like I don't think, I think Alex is trapped somehow.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

There's no explanation for the level of fucked upness that he needs to go to, to, to like keep supporting Trump.

[Jordan]

No. It's crazy.

[Neo]

Like I don't think there's a blackmail tape or anything like that, but like there's some financial reason or something because it's ludicrous that he wouldn't recognize that like society is fucked in the brain.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Social media is a total waste.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Neo]

It's fucked everyone up. We can make another dictator. Yeah, we can do that.

[Jordan]

We can totally do. Humans have been doing it. There was another one like yesterday. We'll get a ton of them. Yeah.

[Neo]

This whole war against the globalists, we can transfer that on to some other person.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

We can do this.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

It's not the end of the world if we just get rid of Trump. He's way too much of a problem.

[Jordan]

We pack up, we learn our lesson, we bide our time for 20 years. Everybody's going to forget that we're crazy. Then 20 years from now we'll be like, haha, we figured out how not to say the N word. Then we'll be president again. It's how it works.

[Neo]

And Alex is such a stupid. Like his show is dumb. People who are listening to it and that take it as really serious information. I don't think that they're all that critical.

[Jordan]

That guy just said something about Trump being a secret Mossad agent or whatever.

[Neo]

Because of Henry Macau's.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

Blog posts or whatever.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So I don't think that it's going to be too hard to wag the dog on that. Bring the audience along wherever you need them to go.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Neo]

And he's such a sensational dick that, like, he'll just do a publicity stunt of some kind to get attention.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Like, he can. He doesn't need to do this. And I don't think it's fealty.

[Jordan]

It's absurd.

[Neo]

I think that he's just on a hook somehow and Nick isn't. And the fact that they exist here in the same space and are doing this show makes it so clear. Nick is like, when Trump gets in trouble, he panders to us racists.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Neo]

And Alex is just, when Trump gets in trouble, I help him pander to racists.

[Jordan]

Here's what I want. Right. Because we can't do it in real life on account of we'll all probably die. So. You know how sometimes in those movies where they'll. They'll have the. The person who, like, was at the scene of the crime, but then there was a bomb or whatever, so they take them to the fake hospital room and they've got the whole, like, fake TV show, like, oh, the President has died. And the guy's like, our. Our plan succeeded and reveals all the evil plans. Right. I want to do one of those for Alex, but just have a, like, succession of the worst Trump things you could possibly imagine. Like, Trump goes to your house and fucks your wife in front of you. And him be like, you know, that's a really good plan. Like, where is the bottom? Yeah, where is the bottom?

[Neo]

Well, based on. Based on, like, the idea that. That, you know, international incidents and war crimes are within the purview of the president.

[Alex Jones]

Totally fine.

[Jordan]

He has the right to regime change.

[Neo]

Yeah. Like, I don't know what the. There would be. I don't know what the bottom would be.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, that's the. That's my only true mystery now about this show is like, is it possible for a human being to one not have a bottom? Like, is it possible to just eat an infinite amount of shit if so asked?

[Neo]

I think that's. That's the exploration at this point.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Neo]

Yeah. And watching somebody who thinks they're Batman hang out with someone who he thinks is Robin.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Who is actually Bane.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And Alex isn't Batman.

[Jordan]

No. But he's a little baby.

[Neo]

Bane also can break that baby's back.

[Jordan]

Bane can break all kinds of backs. It's just.

[Neo]

There won't be a comic book about it.

[Jordan]

No, no. It'll be a weird note in a newspaper, in a tragedy breaks another child's back.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So Bain, Nick, he's. He has a number of points that are good. Yeah. That actually makes sense and are tactically sound.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

If the right wing does the things that he wants.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

There would be a benefit.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

And here is one of them.

[Dan]

I think the task of the right is to outflank the left on economic populism. That's just the answer. It's literally that simple. Because. Because the left has a lot of internal contradictions. It's not so easy for them. Cuz, you know, there's gonna be this like Josh Shapiro, Zoran Mamdani problem is what I would call it on the right. We really just need to capitalize on the fact that the left is sort of being dragged down by the identity politics. For them, it's like the anti white grievance politics, the radical stuff, the antifa transgender stuff. It's really hurting them with a lot of their people. But the right just needs to get out of their own way. They need to deliver on affordability. Hous they can't be telling the voters if you can't afford to live in your city, you have to go and move somewhere else and work on an oil rig. Like that's not gonna work. So there's opportunity for the right, but they have to listen to people like me, people like you, people like Tucker. They need to kind of hear that we're at. We're at a red alert. Big opportunities, but also major risks if we don't make the smart decisions. So that. That's sort of my crystal ball for 28. I think that the left is still not completely fortified yet. Not consolidated. But they can and you can see it. They're rallying because the right is making a lot of unforced errors. No reason it should be like this.

[Alex Jones]

What do you make of Newsom being their main front runner?

[Neo]

So to be clear, I don't think that the good point is that the left is mired in identity politics.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure. It's to outflank them on economic populism.

[Neo]

Absolutely. Easy. And the translation of this really is we need our messaging to go away from the attacking identity politics. Because that's not really working for us.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Neo]

We have all the power in the world, and we're not solving the problems that really matter to the American public. And we're not gonna just be able to scream about bathrooms or drag queen story time and get our way out of this. If we expect to win the midterm, we must take that position of economic populism.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it makes it okay. So it is the, it is the twin combination. Right. If you want to be a permanent majority for the Republicans, you get the racists and then you actually provide on like, hey, guess what? Everybody makes like 50k and the taxes are low. Whatever. We're. We're fine. Right. And if you're the Democrats, you're like, hey, we can do like a monumental change or gradations of change or whatever. But all. Also, we're going to point the guillotines at the right people. Like, those are the two. If you can, if you can get somebody on either side who can do those two, you'll be all right.

[Neo]

You think so? Yeah, I don't. I don't know. Maybe.

[Jordan]

I mean, the, the person who does that will win. Not. We will be all right. Oh, I strongly disagree with that.

[Neo]

Okay. Yeah, I'll, I'll.

[Jordan]

The person will have a better electoral advantage.

[Neo]

Okay.

[Jordan]

If they're able to combine those two things.

[Neo]

That's probably true.

[Jordan]

As opposed to we're going to be better off.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Wrong.

[Jordan]

Wrong conclusion to draw from that.

[Neo]

Okay, that's, that's an important clarification.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I realized where that was coming from.

[Neo]

I think, I think that Nick has a, like a fine point for the 28. 28 midterms, though, or 2028 election. And the midterms. Sure. You know, like, that they need their messaging to be like real world. It needs to not be like, oh, look at these crazy Democrats, or whatever. And I think that that's a message to Democrats running, quite frankly. Is that appeal to people who might be inclined towards Trump on the economic populism level and make sure that he's not able to trick people into supporting him with that because he's not going to be able to provide that.

[Jordan]

No. And I mean, I'm still blown away that, like, it was only a short time ago that everybody was going apeshit because gas prices were so high.

[Dan]

High.

[Jordan]

And there was a Biden bill that was going to lower gas, and now gas prices are lower again and nobody's taking credit or calling it a problem or anything.

[Neo]

Alex is taking credit.

[Jordan]

Right. But that's what I'm saying. Like There is something there, there is something to be done about like the actual stuff that people give a shit about and occasionally people do, yeah, I don't know.

[Neo]

So they talk. Alex is, you know on the end of that last clip he was, was like, hey, what about Gavin Newsom running for the Dems? Then they get off on the subject of who's next for the Republicans. Right. And it's J.D. vance. And Nick has some thoughts.

[Alex Jones]

Who do you think the front runner is? The Republican side of this big question.

[Dan]

Oh, it's Vance. Without a question it's Vance and he's the one that's polling the highest and he's the one that's favored in the betting markets and it makes sense. He's the vice president so he's sort of the heir apparel, you know, he's right now the favorite. But I think it's the same thing with him. You know, he's, I'll give it to him, he's a good politician and I think he's making a lot of strategic moves. He leaped in front of the Charlie Kirk funeral and I don't want that to sound like it's cynical but I do think that was a political move even if it was sincere in some ways I think it was smart. He's also left in front of for example the issue of antifa, of the National Guard being deployed, immigration. When he was in Israel he went to the church instead of the wall. Very calculated. And I think he's sort of been grooming the so called dissident right. He's telling them what they want to hear. I think he's paving the way with the right wind.

[Alex Jones]

It's not about credit. It's true. People that don't know you had your big split with Shapiro and all them in the last nine years and then Gripers basically took over TP USA was evident. And now you look at Vance getting questions. It sounds like you wrote his response. So I think actually the criticism, whereas he attacks you publicly. I think he's actually listening to you in policy.

[Dan]

Well, I don't know that he's, he's listening to us but I think it's strategic because you know, you look at his actual policy and I'll never forget this and other people shouldn't either. And this is a concern. I'm always listening and I'm always open minded. But last year Vance made a very intentional choice place during the election to go to an anti war think tank called the Quincy Institute. And they're not isolationists but they're prioritizers. And there's a book by Barry Posen, it kind of gives their ideology and they talk about prioritizing China or the Western Hemisphere. He goes to a think tank which is very much against the Middle Eastern wars, and he gives a speech about putting a pro Israel spin on America first and justifying the relationship with Israel on the basis of missile defense, or arming them to fight Iran or integrating them into an Abraham alliance that can kind of share the responsibilities in the Middle East. And that was like a very intentional signal. He was signaling allegiance and loyalty to the Israel lobby.

[Alex Jones]

Well, it was double edged. He says, we're going to officially get out of the Middle east, but we'll back Israel as the proxy.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And you know, and I don't know if I agree with that necessarily because I don't think that that's even possible. And I think that this year has sort of shown the limitations of that idea because Trump is trying to extricate us from the region and Netanyahu wants us to fight Iran. And so I don't know how simple that is to say, well, we're just gonna hand it off to Israel. I think Israel's always gonna kind of need our help and they're always gonna demand more. So it's just, it's a question. And I think that Vance is acutely aware of the fact that public sentiment is turning against Israel and that's why he didn't condemn Tucker. That's why when he was asked about it, he actually went and quote, tweeted some Jewish journalist who was attacking Buckley, Tucker's son who works for Vance, in the press office. That was a very telling response. And so now is pivoting and now he's signaling to the groiper aligned Gen Z or the griper aligned millennials and Xers who are very critical of Israel. And I think that's a very strategic choice. I guess the question is in 28.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I think there's a think it's not about tooting your horn because it's a wave he wrote in on. But you were so much of the wave as well. You didn't just surf in. You were a big part of the wave. I can tell you. I've met with people at the highest levels of government, highest levels of tech, and they want to talk about you. The door closes and I have these private meetings. I'm not selling out to folks have these meetings and they want to talk about you. So we come back, I want to talk about where this goes.

[Neo]

You all right, man.

[Jordan]

That was weird. Yeah, that was weird.

[Neo]

I'm not selling out. So I think that Nick is somebody who, like, if Alex had any kind of, like, J.D. vance was possibly like, interested in him or, you know, could be argued that Alex had shaped his thinking.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

It would be talking about that non fucking stop. Yep. Whereas Nick is like, I think it's strategic on his part to try and tap into my audience by pretending to be Nazis. And I don't know if he's sincere. If he does Nazi stuff, then I'll know.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's. It's hard not to think that that is a just rational and reasonable outlook to take on future possible politics.

[Neo]

Politics. And it makes Alex look crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Because this person Nick is saying, like, yeah, Vance is saying some good shit.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

But I don't think. I don't trust that this is sincere. Trump is saying this stuff that the racists want to hear. But put it on paper, man. Do the thing and then I'll be happy because you've lied to me over and over again.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

This is exactly what Alex said at the beginning of the episode that Trump's been. Face is sick of him lying to them.

[Jordan]

Now, I will say that Alex does have one thing going in his favor from that otherwise very rational response that Nick gave, which is that Nick is not allowed to say certain words because he cannot say them descriptively. They can only be said pejoratively. Like in Nick's mouth, it should be the J word. He should not be allowed to say. You can't be like, oh, he's a Jewish politician. That doesn't exist. For Nick, it is.

[Alex Jones]

He's a.

[Jordan]

You know, like, I don't even want to repeat it.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So, yeah, I can see why you would want to pull back the language a little bit to get your point across. What a wild, wild, racist asshole.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And I think it's, It's. It's a very interesting position because I think that Nick is clearly. He's been bolstered by his Tucker interview, by all of the fucking attention, and now like, like he was on Piers Morgan. Jesus. You know, and like all these people are falling into the trap of engaging with him and he's, like you said, he's perfectly situated to exploit all of this shit. And I think that Alex has to recognize that he knows that he's on the fall. Nick is on the rise.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

And. And them being next to each other, like, if I'm Alex, I don't know how you live in that moment. This person is shitting on your business model.

[Jordan]

No, I mean, fucking. I, at the very least, slap him. Because he's a child. Yes. Saying these things to you. Right. Like, even if you agree with him, just be like, you also, you're a child. Slap. Like, that's crazy to allow him to speak to you that way.

[Neo]

This is part of why Alex needs to be drunk.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I agree. I agree wholeheartedly.

[Neo]

You would hate this guy's youth if he was drunk.

[Jordan]

I hate to say this. I hate to say this, but in many ways, because his decision making is, on the whole, zero in terms of a score. You know, like, his decisions are always bad. At least when he's drunk. Some of those decisions are more fun.

[Neo]

They're more interesting. There's a chaos to them.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Neo]

So in this next clip, they. They get. They start talking about how the media takes them out of context all the time. Sure. And Alex decides that to say something possibly defamatory about Jared Holt.

[Alex Jones]

All right, about the ADL and Southern Property Law Center. We have the Central Property Law center hire one of our employees, been here for 10 years, infiltrate Jack into all the cameras for a year. Found nothing corrupt. Watching us. We don't have, like, in the rooms, but in the hallways and. Yeah, outside. And. And. And they just publish it all. Totally illegal, totally criminal. We're filing suit on them, like, probably within a week. All of them. But civil rights violations, Conspiracy against rights, all around the doj. But I saw you on clips from you a few days ago on. When you did it. But I watched the live show, son. I was using this club. She were explaining, like, they go through and they hire these people and they like Jared Holt and they. They just. And then they contact everybody in your family. Everybody. You know, they find somebody to then pay them off to go lie about you. I mean, this is people. And we're not playing victim here. We just need to know how nasty these people. People are. And people say, oh, why don't more people stand up? Because when you come, prominent folks, they literally come after you and stalk the living hell out of you.

[Neo]

So Alex used Jared's name there and is accusing him of crimes.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

So I think that if Jared would like to. That's probably actionable.

[Jordan]

Go for it.

[Neo]

But maybe it's a moot point because Alex says he's already suing him.

[Jordan]

I mean, maybe you'll. You'll get your day in court. Yeah, somebody will be able to afford somebody's day in court.

[Neo]

It's. It's foolish of Alex. I Think to use names. I think that as long as he just talks about the SPLC and the, you know, the ADL and stuff, you have a sort of umbrella of like, I'm not talking about an individual person.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

And that not good, not great.

[Jordan]

I do like the other way of describing what they just said, which is that these people are thorough and I'm lying.

[Neo]

These people reach out for comment.

[Jordan]

So whenever I just say something, they're going to go follow up on what a bunch of stalking creeps.

[Neo]

That's kind of like journalism is harassment in a way.

[Jordan]

I mean, I'm not disagreeing with that as a concept. From a distance.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So these guys, they keep being taken out of context with these clips that the SPLC and Media Matters will put out. And it's just, it's, it's a constant attack.

[Alex Jones]

I've been sent this article like three times, people. The last day. Not this one. Before.

[Neo]

Before.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, Nick F. Is two faced. Nick Fontes says one thing on one show, one thing on another. No, I say stuff. They take it out of context and they say, oh, look what he said. This over here. I know what you do sometimes you make jokes and stuff. Take out of context. But now they're going with this thing of like, he's deceiving people because you have, you know, these multiple faces. And they've tried that with me as well. You want to explain that?

[Dan]

Yeah, I saw that in the Free Press. I couldn't even read it because it's behind a paywall. But I've been getting this for 10 years. Used be on my Wikipedia page and they would say he uses jokes and irony to conceal his real viewpoints. He really is a Nazi. But you'd never know it because he acts like a really nice guy and has reasonable viewpoints when you talk to him on a show. And it's almost like you have to then go back and explain the concept of like jokes or, or context. And you know, Ben Shapiro did this a couple weeks ago. He played some of my clips on his stream and every single one was about four seconds. I think the average duration of the clips he played was between four and six seconds. I do a three hour stream five nights a week for 10 years. And what happens in a show?

[Alex Jones]

News flash. If you're ever watching a show, my show, anybody's, and you're seeing 3, 4, 5, 6 seconds, you're being deceived. That's why the average clip we play is like minutes, folks. That is the ultimate way to deceive and they've done that over and over again. Expand on that.

[Dan]

We are so right. And it should go without saying I. I play clips.

[Neo]

I mean, come on, man.

[Jordan]

It's almost like by. I mean, it is, it is in a way, ultimately the highest compliment that we are paid, which is that no one will ever acknowledge that we exist.

[Neo]

They're having a conversation about people taking them out of context by playing short clips.

[Jordan]

Clips. Yep.

[Neo]

It's such prime territory to be like, there's this one fucking podcast.

[Jordan]

Yep. These motherfuckers, they even. They, here's the problem. I have my excuse. And then they take that away from me. Ah, shit.

[Neo]

It. It's. It. It is a little bit of a dubious compliment.

[Jordan]

I mean, I will say it feels bad. I will say, right. That maybe sometimes you don't need more than six seconds. If that six seconds consist. I hate all the Jews. I think they're evil, and I think we should shoot them into the sun. I don't need more than that. You nailed it.

[Neo]

Unless the person has intentionally cut off at the beginning. You saying, here's something. I would abhor someone.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Neo]

You know, like, then. Yeah, sure. There's a context that's missing.

[Jordan]

See? Yeah, I get it.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And the whole idea of his humor and stuff is like, yes. That is a tactic that he has effectively used throughout his career.

[Jordan]

The joke is. It's not a joke.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's what's funny about it.

[Neo]

Well, there's that end of it. That is the humor. And then there's the other humor where he, you know, will make a joke about 6 million cookies being cooked during the. During a certain amount of time.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

In order to make a joke about Holocaust denial, which is his actual position.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

His position is being masked by that joke. He understands what that criticism is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

It's just to his best interest to be like, they don't understand jokes. People understand jokes.

[Jordan]

No, no, Everybody understands jokes. And it's smart for you to say that people don't understand jokes, but you're a Nazi, so let's just cut the shit.

[Neo]

Yeah, calm down, dude.

[Jordan]

Calm down.

[Neo]

So they go on about this, people taking clips of them.

[Jordan]

Oh, assholes.

[Neo]

Yeah, it's really annoying as someone who takes clips of them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

I would never take a five second clip just, you know, just to have a big hit and lie about somebody because I don't want to be discredited. I want to actually be honest. But it's really a big problem.

[Dan]

It's a huge problem. And the Good news is I think people are starting to wake up because I see these kind of out of context clips and I see all the comments are saying, oh, nice, you edited down to 8 seconds. What's that all about? So I think people are starting to become aware. That being said, I don't think that that will ever go out of fashion because. Because the vast majority of people have such a limited attention span and are quick to judge and everything like that. It's just a tragedy of the commons is just how people are. Tragedy of the masses of the goy. That's just how they operate.

[Neo]

So it was the context of that. That doesn't seem good. It seems interesting, man. Contextually.

[Jordan]

Eventually he probably does. Maybe he already knows about us, maybe he doesn't. Hmm. Eventually he will probably know about us.

[Neo]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Right. And I'm, I'm disappointed because that really makes me want to fucking punch. Yeah, man.

[Neo]

Yeah. I mean it's, it's, it's such a, it's, it's such a very intentional.

[Jordan]

Come here, come here, come here. Come in close. It's. Come in closer.

[Neo]

It's bait. And one of the things that's so fascinating about it is that it exists within this context of a conversation of people playing short clips to take them out of context. And in context, he is saying that the Jews use out of context clips and short things in order to attack the goy because the goal have low attention spans that are being exploited.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

It's crazy.

[Jordan]

It makes me, it really takes me back to some like, like this is shit that should have been handled when you were young. They should have been like, this feels like something that a coach would take you under the bleachers behind and be like, listen, I'm going to explain this to you politely and kindly one time.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Then we're going to have a serious issue.

[Neo]

Then you're going to be running laps.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Then we're going to be in trouble. You know, like that seems like the time to deal with that because now it's metastasized and he's rewarded for it.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

You know, a career.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's got to.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That shit's got. That can't fly.

[Neo]

Yeah. And Alex knows what he's doing and he's, he's totally fine with and endorses. So yeah. As I'm listening to this, this discussion about people taking clips of them as a person whose job it is to independently take clips of them and yell at, yell about them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And go to Portland to do sold out shows. Playing those clips, right?

[Jordan]

Sold out, sold out, sold out.

[Neo]

It's just fucking insane to me that, that I'm like, they should be talking about me and they're not. Because really, at the end of the day, this is just about them trying to attack Jewish voices in Republican media.

[Dan]

It's just a tragedy of the commons. This is just how people are. Tragedy of the masses, of the goy. That's just how they operate. So on some level we're always gonna have that. But I think people are starting to smarten up and see what's going on because that kind of stuff just doesn't have the same currents anymore. And I think that we should play the same game. We do the same thing. The difference is we take people at their word. When Mark Levin goes up at rjc, which he did a few weeks ago, and he says, you know, well, we're going to make our decisions, we're going to see who's associating with who and we cancel people all the time, it's like, okay, so we're going to take that clip and we're going to blow it up everywhere. And the difference is that is true to what you're actually saying and actually.

[Alex Jones]

Believe it's a two minute clip. Yeah, it's a context. So let me raise that, that point. How pathetic is it for Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro who literally have 5% of their previous audience, they even admit that. What must it be like with all their billionaire backers to know the whole world's turned against them and instead they double down and become a stereotype?

[Dan]

It has to be very sad. I can't imagine what it's like working in one of those offices, a daily wire, because you got to remember, and I know you do, Mark Levin and Shapiro, these guys were on top 10 years ago. Certainly Mark Levin, you had a huge radio show, they had four shots.

[Alex Jones]

They were supporting taking me off the air. I'll never forget it.

[Neo]

Based on Alex's telling of the story, they were not on top 10 years ago. That's not supposed to be.

[Jordan]

Nope. So did this, but we're retconning that story.

[Neo]

But yeah, this is legitimately just a piece of something they are trying to use to attack Jewish figures in the right, right wing media space. They are trying to destroy Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and it isn't over a difference in belief about policy towards Israel. It isn't about some actual political difference. It is Nick's intolerance towards Jewish people. And that's great. It's tough it sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

We're a little bit out of the rhythm because we took this trip.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Neo]

And here's what I'll tell you.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

I decided when I was getting this episode ready. Yeah, fuck you. Yeah, fuck you.

[Jordan]

Sorry, buddy.

[Neo]

Well, no, what I'm trying to say is I turned it off.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

I said I'm good.

[Jordan]

Not the day for it.

[Neo]

No, it's just I get what you're doing. I get the game that is being played. Played throughout this and I resent that you're talking about people taking clips of you and you're not talking about me.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

I take you at face value. I take like, I assume whatever you're saying is something that you mean to say. Yep. I give the benefit of the doubt all over the place. I play longer clips.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's. It is interesting. It is interesting for a couple of reasons. Because the first thing that he's saying is essentially like, look at how bad these things are. And then he's saying, and we should start doing it too. Right. Both of these things preclude the fact that everybody's doing it and already has been. Right.

[Neo]

And most of the right wing media is built.

[Jordan]

Built entirely upon it. So what they should be doing, or in essence what they are doing with a language that doesn't say it, is thanking people for doing this. So that gives us something to. To say that we're victims by. And the reason that they can't talk about us while saying that people should doing what we're doing is because we're fucking worse. We're way worse. Well, because the worst thing you hear from them is a little clip. You hear us go through your fucking life.

[Neo]

But that's not even it. It's because they're worse in context.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, I mean, yes. Yes.

[Neo]

It's because it does them a favor to take them out of context.

[Jordan]

You should. They are in essence thanking those people for taking them out of context. Look at what we get to do right now about that.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because if they were actually mad about it, they would then point to people who don't do that and say, look at why this is better. And they do not do that. No, pointing to look at why this is better would be a disaster.

[Neo]

Isn't this a much more interesting.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Neo]

Exploration of the things that I do and put out on air.

[Jordan]

It is demonstrably.

[Neo]

Anyway, you know, we're coming to the end of the year. Yeah. And maybe I'll be petty.

[Jordan]

Let's be A little petty.

[Neo]

Maybe I'll take a little petty moment.

[Jordan]

Christmas pettiness, right?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neo]

That's my gift to myself is a little pettiness. I like it that I feel like little scorned that they're not thanking me.

[Jordan]

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. I agree, I agree.

[Neo]

Thank me for doing the kind of coverage they wish Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin would do.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it bothers me. It wouldn't bother me as much if I didn't know they know about us.

[Neo]

That is a frustrating that they do.

[Jordan]

Know about us and then still say things like this is just so fucking annoying. It's just so fucking annoying.

[Neo]

Oh well. Anyway, we'll be back with another episode that won't end. Petty.

[Jordan]

Or will it? Maybe it could 2026 be the year of Petty.

[Neo]

Tom Petty.

[Jordan]

Tom Petty, Richard Petty. Petty behavior.

[Neo]

Sure.

[Jordan]

These are the three pillars of 2026.

[Neo]

Well, maybe. We don't know yet.

[Jordan]

We don't know yet.

[Neo]

I like the immediate sound of it.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Neo]

But I don't want to commit to anything.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no.

[Neo]

So we'll see. Maybe Petty and this will rule. But we'll find out later when we're back for another episode. But until then. We have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's not.

[Neo]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm Dzanks Clark. I am the mysterious Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

[Caller]

I love your work, I love you.