#1112: January 25, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: Knowledge Fight #1112 — January 25, 2026 (Released January 28, 2026)

Main Theme and Purpose

In this episode, Dan and Jordan examine Alex Jones’s reaction to the most recent ICE shooting in Minneapolis, where a protester, legally armed, was killed by federal agents. The episode is framed around how Alex Jones, historically a Second Amendment absolutist, fails to defend gun rights when it conflicts with his alignment to state power and anti-immigrant narratives. Through clips, analysis, and characteristic banter, the hosts dissect hypocrisy, shifting principles, and the broader implications for right-wing media and its relationship to state violence.

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Episode Structure and Key Segments

• Lighthearted Opening & Banter (00:04–08:10)
• Context: The Shooting and ICE’s Recent Actions (08:10–13:03)
• Alex’s Shifting Stance on Gun Rights (13:03–28:10)
• Narrative Control: Avoiding Accountability (28:10–34:43)
• The “Podesta Plan” & Movie Panic (34:43–37:32)
• ICE Killings, Hypocrisy, and Narrative Gymnastics (37:32–54:35)
• Protest Infiltration, Distraction, and “Signal Group” Story (54:35–62:25)
• Repeated Metaphors: “Playing in Traffic” (62:25–75:04)
• Big Picture vs. Details: Manipulating the Audience (75:04–78:23)
• Closing Thoughts on Alex’s Legacy & Principles (78:23–83:08)

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Segment-by-Segment Breakdown

1. Lighthearted Opening & Banter

[00:04–08:10]

• Jordan and Dan exchange “red alerts,” riff on old show memes, and share personal “bright spots.” Jordan raves about his new maroon sweatpants; Dan's "bright spot" is finishing a Haribo advent calendar, particularly loving the Haribo Roulette gummies.
• Banter about sweatpants, MacGyver episode plots, and a friendly sing-along with Alex Jones show soundbites establish the show’s irreverent tone.

Jordan [01:14]: “You could spill a whole bottle of wine on these things. Nobody would ever know.”

Dan [03:44] (on MacGyver): “He fixes her reel and she catches a big fish. Turns out she's homeless. She's a street kid. Doesn't have a home. Is squatting in an abandoned building…”

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2. Context: The Shooting and ICE Killings

[08:10–13:03]

• Dan and Jordan establish the seriousness of the episode: a federal ICE agent shot and killed a legal gun owner at a Minneapolis protest.
• Previous ICE-related killings barely justified by right-wing media; this case offers no justification except that the victim had a gun.
• The segment previews the episode’s central conflict: will Alex Jones stand by his Second Amendment rhetoric or cave to defending state violence when it aligns with his politics?

Alex Jones [10:47]: “People whose careers rely on them pretending to be opposed to police brutality, like Alex, were able to continue their charade... But Saturday’s shooting was entirely different. I don’t think it's a stretch that people online have called it an execution…”

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3. Alex’s Shifting Stance on Gun Rights

[13:03–28:10]

• The hosts play a clip of Alex recording a “special report” in the car, downplaying the shooting, linking it to “the Democrat plan,” and referencing the “Podesta plan.”
• Dan and Jordan point out the contrast between Alex’s past rhetoric (defending citizens arming against tyranny) and his current rationalization of ICE killing a legally armed citizen.
• Alex starts to argue that having a gun makes the shooting “not a homicide” (16:56–18:22).
• Dan and Jordan press the hypocrisy, noting this runs counter to everything Alex has built his career on.

Alex Jones [18:15]: “I don’t think it was on purpose, and I don’t think it's a homicide because, you know, the man did have a gun on him.”

Jordan [20:41]: “That’s why people said Alex Jones was crazy, is because he said, ‘Oh no, you can’t murder all those people just for having guns.’ But this guy had a gun.”

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4. Narrative Control: Avoiding Accountability

[28:10–34:43]

• Alex and his allies (Stephen Miller, Trump officials, Nick Sortor) try to frame the victim as a terrorist, despite no evidence.
• Alex explains that “it’s too dangerous” to carry guns at protests anymore, effectively ceding the Second Amendment to state overreach:

Alex Jones [25:42]: “It is extremely crazy and extremely dangerous to be armed out there. I’m all for the Second Amendment and you guys got rights to be out there with your guns. Okay, I’m just saying it’s gonna...”

• Dan expertly highlights the contradiction—if exercising your rights means being gunned down, you don't actually have that right.
• Strong analysis that Alex cannot escape corner he’s painted himself into, no matter how softly or empathetically he delivers it.

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5. The “Podesta Plan” & Movie Panic

[34:43–37:32]

• Alex admits he only saw the movie “One Battle After Another” after railing against it for weeks, exposing his tendency to misinform based on hearsay and social media complaints, not substance.

Jordan [35:43]: “Not in the script. I read the script!”
Alex Jones [36:24]: “He needs Democrats. He needs Obama. Please absolve me of responsibility. Make it so I never have to eat my fucking principles.”

• Shows how Alex needs a villain (Democrats/Obama) to maintain his identity and evade difficult moral reckoning.

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6. ICE Killings, Hypocrisy, and Narrative Gymnastics

[37:32–54:35]

• Alex peddles conspiracy ("Podesta plan"—Democrats orchestrating chaos so blue states can secede).
• Analysis of how Alex always pivots away from individual cases—when the details go against him, he insists on looking at “the big picture,” but when the big picture is damning (e.g., Sandy Hook), he obsesses over minute details.
• Examples of "bootlicking," as Dan and Jordan describe Alex’s empathy as performative in service of authoritarian state power.

Alex Jones [42:06]: “He can act like he's a Second Amendment guy, but it's just like some people don't have that right.”

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7. Protest Infiltration, Distraction, and “Signal Group” Story

[54:35–62:25]

• Alex pivots hard to another “scandal”—protesters' Signal chats allegedly infiltrated, painting activists as criminals (“racketeering”).
• Dan explains Alex is building a narrative from thin evidence, using a few vague screenshots to suggest mass conspiracy.

Alex Jones [60:11]: “And in the Signal chat apps feeds are hundreds of videos of, well I could call them as communists running these operations. So there's your racketeering right there…”

• This “anti-ICE infiltration” story acts as a smokescreen, shifting focus away from the state killing an armed citizen and Alex’s own inconsistency.

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8. Repeated Metaphors: “Playing in Traffic”

[62:25–75:04]

• Alex adopts the metaphor that the victim was “playing in traffic,” blaming the dead protester for his own murder, likening carrying a gun at a protest to suicide-by-cop.
• Dan and Jordan destroy this rationale, noting Alex has cheered for armed protestors in the past—and would do so again if they were protesting the “right” enemy.

Alex Jones [74:00]: “It's important to understand the conceptual framework Alex is operating in here. This guy who federal agents killed has to be blamed for his own death. Because every other conclusion requires you to re-examine whether or not ICE should be operating, how they do…”

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9. Big Picture vs. Details: Manipulating the Audience

[75:04–78:23]

• Analysis of Alex’s rhetorical tactics: when the story looks good for him, he focuses on details; when it looks bad, he demands his audience “zoom out.”
• Jordan: “It shouldn’t even work, because the big picture is worse… This was an organization created by people to lead to these outcomes.”
• Criticism of Alex’s masterful but hollow PR playbook: redirect, distract, never commit to principle.

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10. Closing Thoughts on Alex’s Legacy & Principles

[78:23–End]

• Jordan and Dan reflect on how Alex’s spinelessness and opportunism—never true to his own supposed principles, always ready to betray his gun rights absolutism for white identity politics and state power—will define his legacy.
• They lament that any reckoning or “road back” for Alex is effectively impossible; too much harm has been done.

Alex Jones [79:43]: “Yeah, they’re warriors, they’re heroes… some listeners want to say, oh my God, you’re sucking the weenie of the police state. No, I’m not. The police state is the Democrats and the left.”

Jordan [80:05]: “I imagine this is exactly what it must have been like to listen to a member of the clan talk shortly after they had just lynched an innocent dude. Justifying a lynching after it’s happened.”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Alex Jones (on the shooting):
  • “I don’t think it was on purpose, and I don’t think it’s a homicide because, you know, the man did have a gun on him.” (18:15)
• Dan (on Alex’s hypocrisy):
  • “You cannot have a philosophical belief in the individual right to own and bear arms and say something like that.” (18:22)
• Jordan (on the collapse of gun rights rhetoric):
  • “The irony of it is hearing it out of his mouth makes it so clear that everybody who’s ever been like, ‘I’m all for the second amendment’ is full of shit. You’re not. Because it’s fucking crazy.” (27:11)
• Dan (on Alex’s lack of moral depth):
  • “The unfortunate truth that you have to come to is that the joke is on us for imagining that there’s a depth to the question at all.” (76:54)
• Jordan (on the long-term impact):
  • “If you try and turn your life around, I will come to your house and make you feel like a piece of shit more… you should for the rest of your life, be hounded and miserable.” (81:09)

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Memorable Moments

• The MacGyver rundown and debate about “the best kind of poison” (04:09–07:41)
• Alex’s abject failure to defend the second amendment when it endangers his preferred agents of state power (entire middle of the episode)
• Hypocrisy about protestors’ “rights” utterly exposed—Dan and Jordan keep circling back to how Alex would have acted if this were an “anti-vax” or anti-government protest (throughout, especially 75:04–77:10)
• Cavalcade of “Podesta plan” paranoia, built on nothing, and the admission Alex hadn’t even watched the movie he claimed was inciting violence (34:43–35:43)
• Dan and Jordan comparing Alex’s rhetorical gymnastics to the logic of a “petulant state of oppositional defiance,” incapable of moral self-awareness or growth (36:24–37:32, 81:09–82:04)

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Conclusion

This episode is an incisive, sometimes funny, but ultimately bleak exploration of the hollow core of American right-wing pro-gun rhetoric as embodied by Alex Jones. When confronted with real events that test the limits of his claimed principles, Alex chooses state power over his audience’s supposed rights, reasoning, or basic empathy. Dan and Jordan ably deconstruct his self-justifications, revealing not only the dangerous implications for American civil rights, but also the personal cowardice and emptiness at the center of a career built on oppositional theatrics, not real belief.

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For listeners or readers new to Knowledge Fight, this is a classic example of the show at its best: clear-eyed media analysis, principled moral outrage, and darkly comic banter, all while holding the powerful (and the self-anointed powerful) to account.

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Key Timestamps by Topic

• [08:10] — Shooting context and ICE violence
• [13:03] — Alex’s first clips on the killing, hypocrisy exposed
• [18:22] — Dan’s critical analysis of Alex’s “not homicide” claim
• [25:42] — Alex advises against carrying guns at protest; cedes principle
• [34:43] — Alex admits he didn’t see the movie he’s demonized
• [42:06] — Alex restricts rights to only those he agrees with
• [62:25] — Repeated “playing in traffic” metaphor, victim-blaming
• [74:00] — Dan and Jordan summarize how this episode exposes Alex’s true beliefs
• [79:43] — Alex’s bootlicking “warriors and heroes” speech, overt police-state apologia
• [81:09] — Dan and Jordan’s thoughts on the impossibility of redemption for Jones

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Recommended for: Anyone interested in the media class’s relationship to state power, right-wing mendacity, or simply how to critically dissect pundit lies with rigor and humor.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge by Fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Dan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Need. Need money.

[Dan]

Andy in Kansas. Andy.

[Alex Jones]

Andy.

[Dan]

Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a fish color.

[Dan]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge Fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Alex Jones]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Where a couple dudes like to sit, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Alex Jones]

Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Quick question for you. What'd you bright spot today?

[Alex Jones]

Well, it is still January.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's right.

[Alex Jones]

So we have a tradition around these here parts. And that is. You go first.

[Jordan]

I'm gonna have to go first. My bright spot today is that my wife purchased for me the greatest pair of sweatpants that I have ever owned.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I just got them yesterday. There is a drawstring, but you don't really need it.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Jordan]

They are. They're maroon, which is perfect. You could spill a whole bottle of wine on these things. Nobody would ever know.

[Alex Jones]

It's like a car that doesn't show dirt.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. They got patches on the knees, reinforced patches. Not going to kick right through them. Not going to do it. They are also the most warm thing. Like, I don't know if they're going to be good whenever it's more than 0 degrees outside, but for a negative 20 degree week in Chicago, this is the greatest.

[Alex Jones]

Nice.

[Jordan]

They are the greatest. They're awesome.

[Alex Jones]

What did you say there were on the knees patches? I'm depending on your son. Pull the family through.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Was it that?

[Jordan]

I think so.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I think it was.

[Alex Jones]

Well, that's great. I have yet to really find a pair of sweatpants that I can like, bond with. I know I found some bad ones.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I like a good sweatpants. I find sweatpants to be the most satisfying of clothes.

[Alex Jones]

I love them. I love the idea. I just haven't found a good one. That's all. Yeah, that's. I hold out hopefully that one day I will be in your position.

[Jordan]

Oh, I've got. I've got some Star wars sweatpants. Here's the problem. No patches on the knee.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Jordan]

Now they got a hole in the knee. See what I'm saying? This new. These new sweatpants patches on the knee. I wish I wish I had known.

[Alex Jones]

Were you trying to get me to sing again?

[Jordan]

Ah, God damn it.

[Alex Jones]

I'm willing to.

[Jordan]

I'm waiting. I'm waiting, my son.

[Alex Jones]

It's up to you to do the rest.

[Jordan]

There you go.

[Alex Jones]

My dad was a big old man. I could see him with the shovel in his hand.

[Jordan]

All right. Okay.

[Dan]

All right.

[Jordan]

Okay. Well, it's January. It is.

[Alex Jones]

And this tradition. In January, I'm doing the Haribo.

[Jordan]

Still going?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. And look, it's the. What is it, the 28th. There's only 24 days on advent calendar, so we're done.

[Jordan]

That's a good point.

[Alex Jones]

But I looked at the 24th, and it is actually my favorite of Haribo's offerings.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And that is the Haribo roulette.

[Jordan]

Oh, those are like the Lifesavers. Lifesavers. Gummies.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Those are good.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. I like them quite a bit. And so I'm not even gonna try them because that would take me a while to eat.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

So the thumbs up. You ended strong, Haribo. That's great.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Jordan, you don't need to vamp.

[Jordan]

I was. I was ready. I had a whole thing.

[Alex Jones]

So here's my bright spot instead.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

I watched an episode of MacGyver two weeks ago.

[Jordan]

Okay. That I still think about it.

[Alex Jones]

No. Oh. I've been meaning to bring it up because we've been talking about, you know, all my MacGyver adventures. Sure. I'm gonna see if I remember the plot.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

All right.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

So MacGyver.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alex Jones]

Is out on the docks and he's. He sees a young girl he's trying to fish.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

And he's like, ah, you got to do this. You got a. He fixes her reel and she catches a big fish. It's great.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

Turns out she's homeless. She's a street kid.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

Doesn't have. Doesn't have a home. Is squatting in an abandoned building.

[Jordan]

So MacGyver has taught her how to eat for a lifetime is what we're talking about.

[Alex Jones]

Yes.

[Jordan]

First off, ok, good news.

[Alex Jones]

So that's. That's going on. Uh huh. Then MacGyver gets kidnapped by somebody. I don't remember exactly how this happens.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

But they give him poison. They poison MacGyver, knowing it's MacGyver.

[Jordan]

They kidnapped him. Or they just kidnapped a person and then are poisoning Him.

[Alex Jones]

See, this is where I don't remember.

[Jordan]

Okay?

[Alex Jones]

But it's a poison that will kill him in 48 hours.

[Jordan]

Well, that's a terrible poison. Nobody should ever make that poison.

[Alex Jones]

Right. So the bad guys are like, you're fine because you're never going to get this antidote.

[Jordan]

Right. Well, I mean, I would. I bet you he will.

[Alex Jones]

So he goes and escapes and is wandering around the streets, and he seems like he's a drunk because he's like, wall.

[Jordan]

Because he's all poisoned. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And that same kid who he had helped Fish is like, I gotta help this guy.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Alex Jones]

So she takes him to her abandoned building squat that she lives in naturally. Somehow they end up getting the antidote. I don't remember. Look, here's the point. I don't remember. But it was great. Yeah. And at the end, he implies that he's gonna get this kid back in school.

[Jordan]

I would. I would appreciate one situation at the end where it is like, hey, kid, I hate to do this for you, but the systemic and structural problems are something that I really can't alter whatsoever. So here's a 20. All right. You have a good one. I'm out of.

[Alex Jones]

Here's a fish. Yeah, I just remembered how it happened. Okay, so MacGyver is like bringing something back to the United States.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

It's like a list of agents who are undercover or something like that. So he's with a handler and they get attacked. He hides the database, of course, in like a lamp post. And these people give him the poison because they're trying to get him to reveal where he hid the list of spies.

[Jordan]

Right. Okay.

[Alex Jones]

So that's why he ends up in that situation.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So that's so. Okay, here's what I'm thinking, right? If you've got a 48 hour poison, do you also have like a 24 hour poison? Do you have like a six hour poison? Like, do you have a series of poisons for the circumstances that you need, or do you only have the 48 hour poison?

[Alex Jones]

I think in this case, they were not choosing the number.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

I think. I think it was just like they. That's how it works.

[Jordan]

All right?

[Alex Jones]

This poison, that's just. We were on the poisons time.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, because it seems it's useful for like a, you know, forcing the. For like a crank situation, you know, where it's like you got a clock, you got to get us the stuff we need, or you're dead. Right. Makes sense. But, you know, 48 is a long Time much? It's a long time.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You can figure out a lot of ways to get around a 48 hour poison in 48 hours.

[Alex Jones]

Right. What kind of amusement are you going to get out of this person trying to avoid death? You've got to go to bed in the middle of this?

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Alex Jones]

Like, you can't.

[Jordan]

You can't stay up the whole time. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Please.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. And then while you're sleeping. What, are they going to kill you?

[Alex Jones]

They might.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Alex Jones]

But it doesn't matter because they don't have the antidote.

[Jordan]

No, I'd say. I say 12 hour poison, max.

[Alex Jones]

I don't remember exactly how it happens, but the poison antidote pill ends up down a sewer grate.

[Jordan]

Of course it does.

[Alex Jones]

And MacGyver and the girl have to use their fishing skills, of course, in order to get the pill out and save MacGyver's life.

[Jordan]

Thanks, guys, for establishing in the early part of the episode what skills we're gonna need at the later part of the episode. Fantastic.

[Alex Jones]

I'm telling you that this show is the best. I love it, even though I only half remember the episode.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's great.

[Alex Jones]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

We're gonna be talking about January 25, 2026.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that wasn't a good day.

[Alex Jones]

No, it wasn't. So on the 24th, there's another shooting. Sure. ICE federal agents killed another person.

[Jordan]

Yep. They murdered him.

[Alex Jones]

And that's. It was on a Saturday. And that's Alex's day off.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

So we will be taking a look at Sunday what happened when he decided to show back up.

[Jordan]

And I'm excited.

[Alex Jones]

Check it.

[Jordan]

I think he's going to do great.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

You're going to love this.

[Jordan]

I think he's got it.

[Alex Jones]

So before we get to this, though, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Alex Jones]

So first, my wife, Dr. Emma Langman Marr, turns 50 on February 2nd. Groundhog Day. Which feels cosmically significant. She's Neo, she's Leo, she's DCX Clark. She is the mysterious professor. She's a longtime wonk. And you're her second, maybe third favorite podcast. Hmm. She loves it when dad shouts. Oh, that's a great idea. So if that happens, history will be made. She's an incredible wife, an amazing mom, and deeply love from Phil, Carl, Jacob, Dexter, Grace, Faye, and Ava. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex Jones]

Thank you. Happy birthday. Also happy birthday, Daniel Day Lewis. Not the actor, but you know who you are. Love you, Raptor Princess. Because of you, I've listened to 150,000 hours of the show before realizing I didn't know what Alex Jones looked like. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex Jones]

Thank you. And hey, babe. Hey, baby girl. Poot on your butt. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex Jones]

We got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much, too. I'm out of bail bond fund, so you're gonna have to take my money now. Cdg thank you so much. You're now technocrat.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk. 4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce. Jesus Christ.

[Alex Jones]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex Jones]

So, Jordan. On Saturday, federal agents killed another citizen in Minneapolis. The previous incident involved a person driving a car who'd been presumably blocking traffic before being confronted by agents. It was an awful shooting, but the surrounding details of it allowed just enough wiggle room for state media surrogates like Alex to pretend that the agent was in fear for his life and the killing was justified. People whose careers rely on them pretending to be opposed to police brutality, like Alex were able to continue their charade, taking up the position that the police shouldn't kill people. But what do you expect when someone's driving a car at you?

[Jordan]

It is what it is through their.

[Alex Jones]

Their. Their arguments. They were insincere and they were based in lies, but they were still able to keep that illusion going throughout this coverage of that shooting. But Saturday's shooting was entirely different. I don't think it's a stretch that people online have called it an execution. The victim was legally recording. Law enforcement got assaulted by federal agents, then was taken to the ground and disarmed, after which point he was shot repeatedly. You can make out 10 shots fired in the video of the murder, and none of it can be justified. The best argument someone can really make is that one of the officers misunderstood the victim's gun being confiscated as the gun being wielded. But even this argument fails. It's the most generous interpretation of the event possible. And if that is the case, then the agents who fired need to be fired and possibly charged with crimes. The chain of command has to be examined because this level of undisciplined violence is at least partially the product of bad leadership. And pretending otherwise is just not possible. Again, like the last time, I'm not interested in arguing about this. And I don't take anyone who would support this seriously. They're not sincere participants in a debate. They're malicious or misguided agents of state power, full stop. What makes this murder different from the last one is that the only way that the right wing media has been able to justify the shooting this time involves the victim legally carrying a gun at the protest. Whether or not you can drive a car somewhere isn't a central issue for one political party, but whether or not you should be able to have a gun at all times is. The second amendment is central for the modern right wing, and a part of it is a full destigmatization of carrying a gun. Not only is it okay for you to carry a gun at a protest, it's wrong for anyone to act as if it's not. If you feel weird about me carrying a gun, that's your problem. Brandishing a gun and threatening someone with one is an act that could lead to you getting shot. But it's been a critical part of the right wing project to stress the difference between carrying a gun and brandishing a gun. But now the only way to justify this shooting in any way is to stress that the victim had a gun. We've often asked ourselves how sincere Alex's second amendment beliefs are, and I guess we're gonna find out. I think this is gonna test that a little bit.

[Jordan]

Hmm. I have my doubts.

[Alex Jones]

Do you?

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

I think it's probably gonna be totally fine.

[Alex Jones]

You think he's gonna navigate these. These choppy water as well?

[Jordan]

I think. I think eventually you just go, well, he's our enemy and we don't care if you could murder the enemy.

[Alex Jones]

Mmm.

[Jordan]

That's about as good as we're gonna get out of him, I bet.

[Alex Jones]

Well, you know, I mean, we still have an episode to do, but you're not far off.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Alex Jones]

So we start off here, and Alex is doing a special report in his car on Sunday. Sure. Before he comes into studio.

[Dan]

All right. I'm reporting from Austin, Texas on this Sunday, about 11:30 Central. I will be live from the informer studios tonight. 4 8pm Got about 3 inches. 4 inches of ice sheet. So roads are basically empty. See a few cars that didn't make it off on the sides again. Really a 100 year storm lengthening much of the United States. A lot of power lines down north where I'm at in Austria. Not too many power outages here. That's a good feel for all the folks around the country. We also, of course, had the second fable, ice, shooting, in just two, three weeks, Minneapolis, Minnesota, which was easy to predict, unfortunately. That's why the podesta plan from August 2020 from the Democrats said we will block normal ICE enforcement. That's been going on since ICE was set up in 2002. Remember, Obama had four times deeper dictations Trump ever did. People say, well, then why is this violence? Because nobody ever came out and attacked them like that before. And that's the Democrat plan.

[Alex Jones]

So Alex is acting like this turn of events was easy to predict, but he's not been saying that ICE was gonna kill another citizen. He's been saying that riots were gonna break out because of the last murder and that the federal agents would be the ones being killed. There would be a huge false flag in order to blame ICE or Trump. What's happening in the real world doesn't match his fantasy storylines, but it doesn't really matter because it all kind of feels the same. The Podesta plan is everything and nothing at the same time. And Alex is the only expert on it because he's making it all up. And as long as there's chaos, it feels like he's kind of right. He has an energy that he feels like he doesn't want to cover this shooting. Like he knows it's gonna be embarrassing for him.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And I think he. He's right.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, yeah, you are. If you are Alex Jones, if you watch the government disarm and then execute a man in broad daylight, you have a responsibility to be one person or the other.

[Alex Jones]

You know what? I think it would be interesting if Alex just wanted to litigate. The last shot. I was the first nine shots, I mean, totally justified that last one.

[Jordan]

The first thing. The first thing I was thinking was like, well, I mean, the seventh shot was justified. Eight, nine, ten, I don't know, one through six, real bad. But seven, you had to do seven. Once you get to six, you got to do seven. That's just the math. Right, right.

[Alex Jones]

Seven is a lucky number.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's.

[Alex Jones]

Woo.

[Jordan]

Boy, it's tough. It's tough to not say that when there is a blatant disregard for the concept of law. The idea of following law seems absurd.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, well. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So Alex, he's fine with the last killing? Yeah, the last one, that lady in the car, that was. That was fine. This one seems a little bit iffy, but it's also probably. Iffy, but it's probably. Okay.

[Dan]

It's probably.

[Alex Jones]

All right. All right. They meant well.

[Dan]

Then this woman supposedly was just leaving her house. And then of course, that wasn't true. She traveled five hours or whatever to come there and with her wife and confront everybody, block cars, and then ran the agent. That was completely justified in this one. I don't think it was on purpose, and I don't think it's a homicide because, you know, the man did have a gun on him. Now that we've gotten better HD shots of it than we had yesterday, people turned over to CNN footage that they got really close. You can see the other shots of woman that was only like 20ft away. The cell phone will. Now that that footage has come out, it's on CNN's website. I'll be playing it tonight on my show. And it's. It's very crisp, very clear. I was able to slow it down. And you can see that they're all wrestling around. One agent sees that he has a gun in his waistband, you know, smallest back, and says, gun. He grabs it.

[Alex Jones]

Alex is trying to come off a little bit more moderate in his response here. The last murder was totally cool, but this one probably wasn't intentional. There's some stuff that looks bad, but ultimately the audience is just gonna have to accept it. Alex is saying that it wasn't homicide by the agents because the victim had a gun. Really let that soak in. Like, I'm gonna play this again. Just bathe in this.

[Dan]

In this one. I don't think it was on purpose, and I don't think it's a homicide because, you know, the man did have a gun on him.

[Alex Jones]

You cannot have a philosophical belief in the individual right to own and bear arms and say something like that. The fact that Alex can engage with a story like this reveals that even his belief in the second amendment is bullshit. The issue that this highlights is that fundamentally, Alex's beliefs have always been surface level shit. His dad fucked his head up with all this John Birch Society stuff when he was a kid. And he's gone on to base most of his life around one of the stupidest books ever written. None dare call it conspiracy. As his career has progressed, he's just been used by a bunch of attention seeking, dipshit opportunists and a lot of those old standard anti communist right wing beliefs have gotten eroded by hot Internet trends and dumb bullshit he sees on social media, but none of it really matters to him. He didn't understand or care about the principle of gun ownership and what it means to believe strongly in a right to carry. He just knew all the language. He memorized the catchphrases and talking points of the extreme right and he hung out with fanatics like Larry Pratt and that was good enough. He was a Second Amendment guy because he acted like one and that's all that mattered in the present day. Alex is doing what he's doing partly because he's been entirely seduced and captured by feeling like he's close to actual state power, but also partly because he doesn't understand the ideas he talks about on his show in any depth. He can say the words and do the performance about how gun rights are sacred when there's a mass shooting and he needs to argue against gun registration, but he doesn't care about this shit as much as he pretends to. And it's obvious in a moment like this, you can't say that this isn't a homicide because the guy had a gun. You're Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Alex Jones]

The fuck, man?

[Jordan]

Nope. No. You have to defend fucking okc. You have to defend OKC because if the government drives a tank onto your land, I don't care what you're doing. If the government drives a tank onto the land of somebody who's actively selling weapons, I don't care. The government can't do that. And so there must be retribution. You can't say, well, I mean, sure, the government murdered him, but he had a gun. But they had, they were selling guns. Yeah, that's what, that's what other people would say.

[Alex Jones]

He had a gun.

[Jordan]

That's why people said Alex Jones was crazy, is because he said, oh, no, you can't murder all those people just for having guns.

[Alex Jones]

But this guy had a gun.

[Jordan]

But this guy had a gun.

[Alex Jones]

This got a gun. He's a protest.

[Jordan]

I mean, hey, if one guy has a gun at a protest, then sure, the government should be allowed to detain them, disarm them, and then murder them.

[Alex Jones]

And look, we're not all gonna be thrilled about it, but let's not get mad.

[Jordan]

The government seems fairly thrilled about it. I do appreciate. In a minute. I do appreciate the idea that people are acting as though this wasn't the goal. Right? Like, oh, this is a side of it.

[Alex Jones]

No, come on, it can be Both.

[Jordan]

Come on. You're beat. You're literally terrorized right now. Surpr. Who could have guessed that you would be terrorized by this terrorist organization?

[Alex Jones]

So look, this shit's not good. Yeah, the guy was probably innocent.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Alex Jones]

But come on. Stressful situation out there on those streets.

[Dan]

You're gonna do now that CNN got footage from a lady that I guess didn't post it online, but gave it to CNN this morning. It's. It's hd and you can see it all happen. So they're all hustling around with him, dog piling him. Does look like he's resisting some. And then you see the officer behind him say gun, and grabs the gun out from small of his back. You know, they're tucked between his belt. Small was back. And then when you watch the footage, you can see that it looks like a tear gas. Not tear gas, pepper spray. Big bottle falls from one of the scuffling ICE officers, the man's cell phone, and a clip bounces out. In fact, the clip had already bounced out about two seconds before. And so they think that's the gun, because I already heard gun. And when they hear gun, which has a gun, that means even if they've gotten the gun, which they didn't know they heard gun, that means he can have another gun. So they draw. They all draw. They all back up and draw. And then that stuff starts bouncing around. And they think it's a gun because the guy starts getting up on his knees as all that stuff bounces out. And in the stress of the moment, they killed him. And I think the guy was innocent. I'm sorry that he's dead, but those are those really high stakes situations where they're carrying out what were the stakes with their administrative warrants, with their court orders out there doing that. And everybody's really on edge.

[Alex Jones]

Alex is in really choppy water here because he's trying to slow play this. He knows his career and audience are based in gun rights absolutism. So they aren't gonna love the argument that this guy deserved to be killed because he had a gun that he was carrying legally. Simultaneously, all of the people that Alex likes in government are tripping over their own feet to smear the victim as a terrorist. Stephen Miller posted this to describe the situation. Quote, a would be assassin tried to murder federal law enforcement. Assistant Homeland security secretariat Tricia McLaughlin used the fact that the victim had a gun to assert, quote, this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said, quote, fearing for his life and the lives of his fellow officers around him, an agent fired defensive shots. This looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and kill law enforcement. Alex's own employee and dipshit friend Nick Sortor incorrectly identified the victim as an illegal alien and said he was, quote, armed with a gun and attempted to pull it on agents as he was being apprehended. This is an information war, and Alex's side has made it very clear what their narrative is supposed to be. Here. It's now his choice to eat this shit like his job requires, or have a backbone and call the government and his own employee gun grabbers. Those are the only two options.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

And he's trying to slow play somewhere in the middle and it looks stupid. I mean, seems like an asshole.

[Jordan]

This is. This is forced everybody's hand. Either ignore it or don't. But there's no. There's no not choosing a side. You know, you can ignore it, which. What you gonna do. But you see it, you gotta choose.

[Alex Jones]

And I. And I don't. I don't think that, you know, I don't want to. I don't want to paint that on everybody, but I do want to paint that on Alex. Sure. I want to double down on that. In terms of Alex, this is a moment he cannot ignore.

[Jordan]

No. Yeah, this, this, he should actually be out there. Like, hey, we need to find out where the fucking ICE keeps their weapons and burn that depot to the ground.

[Alex Jones]

Yes.

[Jordan]

If they don't, if you don't want to get shot, then we got to get rid of their guns. We have to take their guns. And since we can't carry him, we have to burn that place to the fucking ground.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, he should be, like, trying to lure Bovino in for an interview and then hold him in a cell or something. Citizens arrest.

[Jordan]

I mean, I think we should probably burn those depots to the ground.

[Alex Jones]

Look, there's a lot of people who are saying a lot of interesting things, and one of them is Alex. And he's like, hey, man, just don't carry guns. It's too dangerous.

[Dan]

Uh oh, you've already had all these ice ages shot up and all the rest of it. It is extremely crazy and extremely dangerous to be armed out there. I'm off the second amendment and you guys got rights to be out there with your guns. Okay, I'm just saying it's gonna. I. When I go to demonstrations and stuff, I don't Take guns just because it makes me more of a target now when we have some train security there that's got concealed and stuff. But I'm not even second guessing the guy doing that. I'm simply pointing out, what do you expect in this type of situation with all the stuff going on?

[Alex Jones]

So Alex has given in to fear and now no longer believes that citizens should express their God given right to carry a gun because it's too likely to make federal agents see you as a target and they'll probably kill you. If federal agents think you're a target because you're exercising your rights, then your rights are under attack. And Alex fucking knows that. His career is based on seeing a situation like this and saying that people should walk around with more guns. His beliefs are based on not changing how you exercise your rights because the state tells you to. When there's a conflict between your rights and what the state asks of you, you're in a tyranny. I think it's also important to stress that Alex understands that what he's saying is a betrayal of his gun rights position. And that's why he's doing this so softly. Yeah, he's trying to mask the point of what he's saying behind this facade of empathy and like, oh my God, isn't this such a. Oh, shuck. Such a tragedy?

[Jordan]

I mean, the funny part about it, the, the irony of it is hearing it out of his mouth makes it so clear that everybody who's ever been like, I'm all for the second amendment is full of shit. You're not. You're not. Because it's fucking crazy.

[Alex Jones]

You just don't want your side.

[Jordan]

Exactly. You don't want to be like, hey, I'm all for the second Amendment, but fuck off. It's ridiculous.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Stop it.

[Alex Jones]

Yep. And it's, it's, it's pretty ludicrous for Alex to just have this position of like, it's too dangerous. Shouldn't, shouldn't keep guns. No, I mean, the state might treat you badly if you have guns.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, it is, it is like this guy has set himself up, has talked such a big game to find his moment where he is probably positioned to lead a lot of people with a lot of dangerous ideas to do some good. And yet somehow here we are with him supporting the fucking Nazis.

[Alex Jones]

Well, here's the truth. The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants, not cowards. Well, Alex is free from watering duty. Yeah, don't think he has to worry about ever running into that tree.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Alex Jones]

So I think that Alex is like, hey man, they're not. No one's gonna try these cops. They're fine, everything's cool. Feels bad though. I mean it looks bad. It looks like shit.

[Jordan]

It looks bad.

[Dan]

They will try to have Soros judges indict this ICE agent. I don't see that going anywhere. Looks like three of them fired into the man once they heard gun, gun and all that. And it's just, it's just a tragic situation and it could happen to anybody that goes out against the know this stuff. So I'm sad for the man and I'm sad for his family, but all the tens of thousands killed by late. Aliens murdered, raped. Millions dead from fentanyl. The left never humanizes that. They never talk about that.

[Alex Jones]

I think that Alex believes that he seems empathetic when he's trying to do this. I feel bad for the victim's family stuff, but it makes him come off worse. Gun rights is a cold hearted business. For Alex, defending your right to defend yourself has meant that he's had to do some horrible shit in public and re victimize a ton of grieving people. He's had to defame and disparage people who were just living their lives before tragedy struck. And, and sure it comes off bad to treat people like that, but it was what Alex had to do to make sure that the gun grabbers didn't grab your guns. If Soros lawyers and judges are the only ones who are gonna try to indict these agents for murdering a citizen just because he had a gun, and that's not gonna work, then doesn't it kind of seem like federal agents could just kill anyone they see with a gun? If what Alex is saying is taken seriously, then you don't have a right to carry a gun. Your God given second amendment rights are conditional and you can only exercise them when the government tells you that you can. And they don't even need to tell you you can or can't, they will just kill you.

[Jordan]

That is a good way of telling you that you can't.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, it's pretty final. Yep. The empathy is not real. It's an instinctual performance Alex is putting on to mask the fact that he's condoning state murder. Feeling empathy for the victim is a normal and relatable thing to express. So he's hoping that distracts from the blatant boot licking that he's doing and make people not realize. Like who. Who are you?

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I. I get the bloodthirsty people. They make sense to me. You know, I get when Stephen Miller's like, that guy's a terrorist. Murder him. Yeah. You want to murder people, you're a murderer. That's fine. I get that.

[Alex Jones]

There's character consistency there.

[Jordan]

This is just. This is pathetic. That is. That is the thing. It's not even that. It's, like, wrong or bad or anything. It is. It is like a worm. It is like watching a fucking snail try and run. This is disgusting.

[Alex Jones]

It is.

[Jordan]

It is fucking sad.

[Alex Jones]

Well, and the thing that. That sucks about watching a snail run is that, like, you realize that, like, ah, this has always been the case.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Like, he would have been willing to give up Second Amendment shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

At any point.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

If the more important things to him were catered to, which are his feelings of white identity, his wanton desire to oppress the LGBTQ community, kicking out immigrants. Like, if those things were catered to, he never would have felt the need to protect himself from an oppressive government.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, the honest thing is, the honest truth of Alex right now is that if he had any integrity, whenever he realized this is the government's line, he should have fucking lit himself on fire outside of his studio. Like, that is. That's the level of protest. He should be killing himself right now. Like, that is what should be happening. Because to. That's your choice. Your choice is either to die in one way or die in another. I can die in real life and not have to fucking suck the feet of goddamn Donald Trump anymore, or I can kill myself in another way and say, this is fine. Both of them are death.

[Alex Jones]

Sure. I mean, I think he'll probably choose the one that pays better.

[Jordan]

Probably every time.

[Dan]

So.

[Alex Jones]

Hey, look, man. So Oscar buzz going around, you know, Love it. We got sinners, got a bunch of noms.

[Jordan]

It's gonna be great.

[Alex Jones]

Also got a throat.

[Dan]

Hey.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And I think that Alex saw the Oscar noms. Yeah. He was like, maybe I should get around to seeing that movie that I keep talking about.

[Dan]

Odd.

[Alex Jones]

So the night before Alex finally watched One Battle after Another, I thought he.

[Jordan]

Watched Wicked for good.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Capitulated. Just abandoned all these blue cities. That's the best of plan. Start with not working with ICE being sanctuary cities, blocking feds, getting any illegal aliens, including hard criminals, making all these Hollywood movies where they're all innocent, they're all angels. Like, one battle after another. And all the ICE people are secretly white supremacists, you know, in the St.

[Alex Jones]

Nick.

[Dan]

Society, or whatever. It's made up total crap. The St. Nick Adventurer Society and all this stuff. It's just the same people that put out Machete Kills. Where Don Johnson shooting pregnant Hispanic women at the border? Where are the gringos killing his parents at the border? No, it's all 80% of women get raped by the coyotes on the Mexican side. But you don't see Machete Kills and Richard Rodriguez putting that out. And Obama was involved getting those done. It's all just the same. And I finally watched, I've read the transcript, I've read the script of it, but I hadn't watched one battle after another. And I watched it last night and was just like all scripted for this timing already. Just like Civil War last year, the election, and it's all their wet dream. It's all they want. It's in the pedestrian plan.

[Alex Jones]

Oh yeah, Alex read the script. Sure. Dumb dick. Jesus Christ, that clip is fucking damning. Alex straight up said that until the night before this, January 24, he hadn't even seen one battle after another. All the shit that he's made up about it and how it's a podesta plan. All of that came from a guy who'd only seen the trailer and heard his racist friends on Twitter complain about the trailer.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

His story, without having seen the movie, is that it glamorizes antifa style violence against ice facilities. And now that he's seen it, he can't possibly hold the same position. But he also can't change his talking points.

[Jordan]

That's a problem.

[Alex Jones]

He's trapped in his previewing review, which is kind of funny, but also pathetic. Yeah, I can't really stress how embarrassing this should be for someone to say. He's been on air yelling about how this movie is part of the globalist plot to foment domestic terrorism as a plot against the white man. And he didn't even bother to watch it before preaching that shit. He used his feelings about the movie to justify the killing of US citizens and he hadn't even seen it. That's crazy. It's embarrassing to imagine someone watching him and, and hearing something like that and being like, this guy, this guy is good. He does his work. He's, he's, he's a good source of information.

[Jordan]

I would feel pretty embarrassed too if somebody was like, the Sick Nick Club. That's, that's not even real. Like, yeah, buddy. Yeah, man, you're about. You're almost there. You're gonna get it. You're gonna get there one day. You're gonna get that none of it was real. The whole thing. It's a make them up.

[Alex Jones]

What?

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's a big old make them ups.

[Alex Jones]

Not in the script. I read the script.

[Jordan]

I, I ready at the script. I was listening to that and I realized something. I don't need another side to exist. Like, I don't need, I don't need people to exist to like change my opinion on things. Like, that's a murder. I don't care who exists. I don't care if any Democrats or Republicans you can all go get. That's a murder. All of you can go get. I don't need anybody else for him though. He needs Democrats. He needs Obama. Please absolve me of responsibility. Make it so I never have to eat my fucking principles.

[Alex Jones]

Well, yeah, it's disgusting. I think that's something that we've identified over and over again is that Alex exists in a petulant state of oppositional defiance that he can only be understood and understand himself through what he is to his imagined enemy. Yeah. And like that's kind of sad. And when it's like the enemy is revealing their plans to me through movies and you don't even watch the movies. You don't even take your own psychosis seriously. Nah, it's pathetic.

[Jordan]

It's lazy psychosis. Yes. It's boring. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Jones]

It's the mark of somebody who's like, I think maybe not as crazy as they want to look. Yeah, maybe.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

One of the only ways he can seem interesting.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If the Joker just had like a sustainable theft model of like mid tier banks from city to city, never staying anywhere too long, you know, not really causing chaos so much as living fine.

[Alex Jones]

Alex is kind of like the Joker. If he was like, what if I burned a big pile of money?

[Dan]

Think about it.

[Jordan]

Wouldn't that be crazy? Wouldn't that be crazy?

[Alex Jones]

Never got around.

[Jordan]

But me changing things by saying that is what this is really about. I'm going to take my pile of money. Thank you.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will take that money.

[Jordan]

I will take that.

[Alex Jones]

Crazy.

[Jordan]

That is ridiculous.

[Alex Jones]

So look, ICE didn't want to do it. They didn't want to do this.

[Jordan]

They did. They really did.

[Alex Jones]

No, because he got a thing.

[Jordan]

No, they murdered that guy out of desire.

[Alex Jones]

Well, you're not taking into account the.

[Dan]

Paperwork, but again, my prayers go out to ice, the American people and this fellow's family and the left saying, go out there with guns. And then stuff starts happening and confusion. Clearly they didn't want to kill Him. They don't want the paperworker to go to prison or to face all this, but they're, they're going to do what they're doing. And they are sworn law enforcement and they are trained. Most of them are former cops or military or both. And I'm surprised at how professional they've been so far because these are dangerous situations they're in with. I mean, even before this guy got killed yesterday, they were throwing giant chunks of ice at him and bricks at him and you know, just everything else because they just scream Nazi. If you die, die, die. It's just like. And then they lied about that kid, you know, that five year old at the school, the dad runs, little kid standing there. So they just say, well here, let's lead you inside. And then that's the truth. But it doesn't matter. It's always just some new hyped up hysteria, some new craziness. At the end of the day, they're the ones that created the crisis, they're the ones that told the illegals come up here, they're the ones that gave them all the freebies, they're the ones that did all this.

[Alex Jones]

I get that Alex is peddling around a lot of bullshit about how everything is the globalist's fault, but let's just cut through all of that because the globalists have done all the things that they've done over the last few decades. Alex does not believe that you have a second amendment right anymore because he likes what ice is doing and because he feels like they hurt the right people. They should have no punishment for killing you because you're legally carrying a gun in public. All the shit that he's doing, all of these like touch points he's trying to make, all of it is a distraction from the main point of this video, which is that the state can kill you for having a gun. Now attempts to punish federal agents for killing someone for having a gun, that's just Soros judges trying to meddle with Trump's agenda for success. That's where he's at. Yeah, that's what he's saying.

[Jordan]

No, I mean we should seriously be sitting here with him going like, if that guy had killed all of those ICE officers, I would defend him. He should have. He should. They were all, they all had guns and they were trying to take his gun away. He should have been able to murder all of those people if he should have been able to shoot them all in the fucking head.

[Alex Jones]

If he was there protesting vaccine mandates, Alex probably would have that Position.

[Jordan]

These motherfuckers bombed an abortion clinic. Fuck off. Fuck all of these fuckers. I don't give a shit.

[Alex Jones]

So this is the end of the first Twitter video that Alex made.

[Jordan]

Oh, there's more than one?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, there's a second video and then.

[Jordan]

He did his show.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, fuck, we're not going to listen to all of it because it does get tiresome.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I believe. I believe that.

[Alex Jones]

But here is Alex talking. I guess he decided, like, why not? Why not shoot another video? Come on, I'm in the car.

[Jordan]

I mean, you're in the car.

[Dan]

So you've seen the angles, you've seen the facts. They're totally surprised. They jump, they run, they believe. They obviously see a gun. Two of them shoot in to the man on the ground, Alex Peretti, who's now dead. And we're sad for him and his family. So that's the reality of what's happened here. But when you say that there's no borders, when you say get out of the city, these are sanctuary cities, even for hardened criminals. It creates constitutional crisis. And Trump is not going to back down. So they've created this crisis. They cooperate with ice, but no, they want illegals to be part of the new census. 18 new seats for Democrats already. They want them to vote in elections. They admit all that now. And this is about breaking the country. If the Democrats can hold the cities hostage, they control almost every one of them through election fraud. And that's the Vedesta plan. That's a Civil War movie. That's one battle after another. Then they've conquered this country.

[Alex Jones]

So to translate that, if Alex has seen a couple of movies he doesn't understand and he feels like some protesters are yelling some stuff he doesn't like, then the Bill of Rights doesn't exist anymore. I think it may be an overly simple way of putting things, but Alex just doesn't believe in universal rights. He may believe that rights are endowed by the Creator, but he doesn't think that everyone was created equal with the same freedom to pursue happiness. And until he gets real about that, this shit is stupid. Yeah, like he doesn't think that some people have rights.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Jones]

He can act like he's a Second Amendment guy, but it's just like some people don't have that right.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, it's universal. Except that I find it, you know, it's like a degree for me. Like, the every headline that I saw that was like, ice shoots and kills US Citizen are such, like, I don't even know if they realize that they're implying that it would be totally fine if they'd killed a non US Citizen or a person who was illegal or a person who was not supposed to be there or blankety blank, that implies that it would have been different. As opposed to, hey, ICE can't kill anybody. ICE cannot kill anybody. You can't kill anybody. You can't kill anybody.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah. And my language is even, you know, like, guilty of that a little bit. And I don't mean it to be like, if this person wasn't a citizen, sure, it would be fine. No, And I realized that part of the reason, for me, at least in the framing of how I'm talking about this, is because I meet Alex at least partially where he is.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

So for him, the fact that this is a citizen matters a lot.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Alex Jones]

And that's why I. That's why my language is intentionally pointing that out. Right, but your point is right, too. Like, it doesn't, it doesn't make it any different than had they have killed anybody.

[Jordan]

The context within which we are discussing this is far different than anything that fucking ABC News or whoever, whatever fucking morning show is saying.

[Alex Jones]

It's still good to call self out about it a little bit, but, yeah, it is.

[Jordan]

It is very much like the addition of that detail is meant to assuage, like, well, I mean, now that we've added this accuracy, we don't have to then go retroactively, say, let's go look and see how many people ICE is murdering. How many people is ICE murdering? Why don't we know how many people ICE is murdering? Because if we have to acknowledge that one of them is a US Citizen, doesn't that imply that there's a bunch that I haven't heard about who weren't US Citizens?

[Alex Jones]

It implies that as a possibility. And I think that the uncomfortable reality is probably if we open that door too wide, we might find out that we don't really know any numbers.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, someone might not even really be keeping track of.

[Jordan]

Here's what, here's what fucks me up, because here's what I see in that video that I am not hearing from other people. And it bothers me. It is professionalism. It is. That is not something that was their first go round. They have executed plenty of people. Well, very similarly.

[Alex Jones]

Let me, let me push back on that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know if I would say professionalism. I'm, I'm, I'm feeling similar things to what you're saying, but professionalism to me is like James Bond.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Precision.

[Jordan]

Sure. Like, fair enough.

[Alex Jones]

They seem brazen.

[Dan]

They.

[Jordan]

Yes, and they seem brazen and practiced. This is not their first disarm and murder.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

But also so imprecise.

[Jordan]

I don't think you have to be that precise whenever you've got 10 shots in your back pocket. Yeah. I guess that, you know, you're not. They're not snipers. They don't need sniper behaviors.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, they got plenty of bullets. They, it seems like they're not running low. Nobody's. Nobody's like, hey, we're not going to replace that clip that you just shot into that human being now. You don't get bullets. They're going to give them another clip.

[Alex Jones]

I just bucked a little bit, I guess, because, like, for me, professionalism has the feeling of, like, choreography.

[Jordan]

I get what, you know, I get what you see. Sloppy, I agree.

[Alex Jones]

But at the same time, like, not really all that uncomfortable with doing the thing that they're doing, which is murder.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And yeah, that. That's not cool.

[Dan]

No.

[Alex Jones]

No, it doesn't. Yeah. And I agree with you that, like, we can't know right now with the information available.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

Like, what. What else is unknown.

[Dan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

Who else has been hurt? We don't know that. But they. It doesn't strike confidence that this is like a, oh my God, what the fuck kind of situation. Yeah. When the behavior is. Is like you're describing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it would be, it would be different. It would be very different if, like, immediately after in that video, the. The guy was like, oh, my God, what the did I just do? None of that. None of that. It was like, hey, here's our next steps.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the previous shooting was even, you know, like calling the person a bitch and not allowing emergency aid to check on her. Like, those are not actions of someone who made a sincere error in the heat of the moment. And that, I agree with you. That is an incredibly scary element of this. So anyway, it's all about the Podesta plan.

[Jordan]

I'm sure it is.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

One other key point in the Podesta plan that they're following. They want to build public support for the blue cities and states to break away and have a secession and literally lead local police and governments against the federal forces. That's in the Podesta plan. That's in the Civil War movie. And that's now what the police chief, the mayor Fry, the governor are talking about by saying what ISIS doing is illegal, which it's not in its main actions, it delegitimizes them in the eyes of much of the public that are ignorant. And that creates the schism as the pretext for the Civil War and the secession that's in the plan.

[Alex Jones]

So let's say that the Podesta Plan does involve trying to delegitimize ice according to the way Alex is applying that piece of information. That means that no criticism of ICE can ever be taken as valid. Because to accept that some delegitimizing piece of information about ICE is true would be, in effect, part of the Podesta plan working. If the Podesta Plan requires the delegitimization of ice, then the best way to fight it involves supporting ICE at all costs. Everything that ICE does will be justifiable this way. And God forbid there ever end up being like a mass casualty event surrounding ice. Alex could just pivot to saying it was a false flag being done by the globalists to make ICE look bad. It's all perfect. He has a system in place where no state atrocity could be taken seriously and where the Trump administration can get away with anything.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

There is nothing he cannot lick. No boot is too big to lick.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's like even the Kent State guys, they had to go to trial, you know, at the very least, we had a trial. Sure, they all got fucking off. Sure, they were all like, ah, you're fine. But at least it was, at least it looked like they were going through the motions of giving a fuck. This is not that. No, this is not that. This is cheerfully cheering atrocity.

[Alex Jones]

So we get to the actual show, Alex's actual show, and what do you know? More yapping, more blah, blah, blah about the Podesta plan.

[Jordan]

Amazing.

[Dan]

I know exactly what's going on. And if you're a longtime listener of the show and check out what I claim, you know what's going on. The Democrat Party has an official plan called the Podesta Plan that is built around if Trump ever got back in office and deployed ICE like presidents have done in the 23 year history of ICE, then they will have their mobs attack ICE and that when ICE then defends themselves, at some point there's going to be some dead people on both sides. And then they build Trump as a dictator and use that as a pretext, have the blue states go into open rebellion and start seceding. Now that's an official Democrat Party plan. I made a big deal about it since they first said In August of 2020, if he wins, if we can't steal it.

[Alex Jones]

We're gonna do that, man. He's struggling. That voice is shot. So, yeah, it's all the best plan.

[Jordan]

It's all the potential.

[Alex Jones]

Cool.

[Jordan]

I'm. I'm reflecting on myself and the journey that I've taken through life. And this has given me a moment of gratitude because I've realized something. I've done a lot of drinking in a lot of public places, and it is by the grace of God that I did not run into somebody saying shit like this at the wrong time. You know, like, I have not been to jail. That's crazy, because if at any point in time I was less in control and there was somebody saying shit like this after God knows how many atrocities we've lived through.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, but, like, you know. Yeah, I guess the circumstances are always gonna be hard to, like, recreate at different times. How many times did somebody probably say something to you that, like, you might want to swing at them, but you just didn't know what the words meant exactly? Like, I wouldn't. If I didn't do this, I don't know if I'd know what the fucking podesta plan melt.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Alex Jones]

These are. This is inside language.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

And if I countered that at a bar, you might, like, have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

[Jordan]

Or I'd be like, oh, that's their way of dealing with it. Not, oh, this is their way of protecting the people from consequences for murder.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

So the globalists, they want you looking at the details. Right. They don't want you to see the bigger picture.

[Dan]

My job is really easy because we have the enemy's own plans. But it's also hard because I've been hammering this and hammering this, and we're just now seeing the White House and people get it and talk about it, but if you just look at the tragedies that happen here and there that are caused by them triggering all this, and if you only focus on those and debate individual events, you're. You're down on their level where they want you to be. Instead of going, look, they said they would do this. They're the ones foaming it. So you have this latest guy shot, and we now have the details on that, what really happened. We'll be getting into it. This better up close footage has been released, but when you pull back from it, this is exactly what they want.

[Alex Jones]

Alex says a pretty solid strategy to distract people from situations that are really bad for his narrative, which involves fluctuating between whether or not specific details matter in a case like this where the situation is indefensible, Alex knows he's going to lose an argument trying to say that the federal agents were right to shoot the guy and that it would look bad even if he tried to mount that argument. That's the conclusion he's supposed to get his listeners to accept. And his job is to pacify them in situations like this. But the approach of looking at the details of the shooting and defending them is a bad way to do it. Instead, he's able to lead them down the path of not caring about the shooting by demanding that they zoom out and see the big picture. Sure, if you focus on the specific incident, you're gonna get mad at ICE and you see it's a police state kind of shit that's completely out of control. But that's what the globalists want you to do. They've brought in all these immigrants and had their paid provocateurs yell mean things at ice so it would lead to a moment with optics like this. All so they trick you into being mad at ICE because you were so set on missing the forest for the trees, ya fool. If you watch enough of his show, you'll notice that this is a strategy that works both directions. When the big picture of something looks really bad for Alex, he demands that the most important thing is focusing on really minute details. Take, for example, the whole Sandy Hook thing. His arguments were incredibly stupid there, but he was able to keep the audience from recognizing that by insisting that they need to just focus on these anomalies that he got from people like Wolfgang Halbig and Jim Fetzer. In that case, you were supposed to be as lost in the weeds as possible because Alex knew you would lose the big picture game.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex Jones]

The big picture was that gun proliferation in the United States had gotten to the point where children might not be safe going to school. And that was the result of policy choices that we had made and could choose differently about. This was the argument Alex needed to avoid. So instead of demanding that the audience see the big picture about this, it all got very granular. And this is a rhetorical tactic that manipulative liars use. And it's what he's doing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, and it shouldn't even work, because the big picture is worse. The big picture is this fucking ICE guy. This is a job. This guy was. Could have been selling cars 20 years ago, and if he'd sold 10 more cars in a month, maybe he'd still be selling cars. This was an organization created by people to lead to these outcomes.

[Alex Jones]

Right. No, that. That is a big picture, you know. Yeah, yeah. But when you have. When you have an incident that's bad, you can write your own big picture. That's definitely, you know, you could have that be your big picture about what people are missing out on by focusing on the details. Or you could do what Alex does. It's. It's his way of keeping things off balance a little bit. Yeah. When you're looking over here, you're supposed to be looking over there. When you're looking over there, supposed to be over here.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, tactically, it is the move. Go where they ain't, you know, So I suppose. I suppose. Tip of the cap to horror.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. So Alex is a little bit mad that everyone is saying that Trump is going to try and get a fourth term in office. Yeah, he's mad about that.

[Dan]

Then you have Senator Chris Murphy, one of the most evil senators in Congress out of Connecticut, and others saying Trump is planning to cancel the 2026 election. You're not even speculating or just. It's a fact. If he wins, he's stolen it. Well, he says. Last week, he said he's going to cancel him. Now he says he's going to steal him. Now, remember, they indicted Trump for saying that 2020 was stolen from him, but he had evidence, and Jack Smith just testified to Congress about that this week. So it. It's just wild, folks.

[Alex Jones]

Alex is leaving out an important detail here. He's saying that all these folks like Chris Murphy are saying that Trump is gonna try to have another term as president. And Alex is acting like this is an accusation that's coming out of thin air. These folks were only discussing the idea of Trump running again and violating the Constitution because Trump tweeted, quote, this is all caps, record numbers all over the place. Should I try for a fourth term? A lot of Alex's show can be deconstructed like this. Step one, Trump does or says something completely insane and inflammatory. Step two, someone else responds to Trump's inflammatory shit by saying something like, he shouldn't do this. Step three, Alex reports on the response without ever actually dealing with the inflammatory thing Trump did that started it. And he's pretending that all of this is coming out of nowhere.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

It's a fucking stupid game.

[Jordan]

And.

[Alex Jones]

Come on. Yeah, come on now.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And also, like, realistically, yeah, he's going to get that. What are you talking about? Is anybody to stop him? Nobody's going to stop him. Of course he's going to do that.

[Alex Jones]

I Think it would take something large to stop?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, maybe if the Democrats win the midterms. And then immediately 25th amendment, him with like cops and shit, arresting him and like putting him on a boat that goes into the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and then nobody can ever find it again. And I'm sorry. You can be president if you get back. You can be president if you get back, but you start in the middle of the ocean.

[Alex Jones]

Are you trying to thunderbolt Ross? I think that's what I read. Hulk him.

[Jordan]

I think that should be how it works.

[Alex Jones]

Hmm. I don't know if that's going to work.

[Jordan]

Here's what we do next 2020, 2028 election. All right? We put all of our presidential candidates in the center of the Atlantic, whoever gets back as president.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, so we just want a seafaring president.

[Jordan]

Exactly. The best leaders have always come from the sea.

[Alex Jones]

I'm fine with that now. I don't care dolphin for president.

[Jordan]

Maoris are the best presidents. Everybody knows that.

[Alex Jones]

Sure. So Alex has some big news that's broken on Twitter and it's about left wing anti ice signal groups being infiltrated.

[Jordan]

Uh oh.

[Dan]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's get into it right now. We have incredible discoveries that I spent hours today researching. Unbelievable. Journalists were able to infiltrate the signal chat app used by the Democrats in Minnesota and via that into California, Illinois, you name it. And it is state senators, state reps, high level staffers of walls commanding people to harass and attack ICE and stalk them and dox them and foam in all this. Now we already knew that was going on, but here is confirmation. Unbelievable. And in the signal chat apps feeds are hundreds of videos of, well I could call them as communists running these operations. So there's your racketeering right there. It's one thing to say we're not going to aid federal agents following the Constitution with court orders and warrants. That's just obstruction of justice. But when you're out there quarterbacking, working with thousands of people and working with NGOs, it is a conspiracy. It is racketeering. So I could do the whole four hours tonight on that. Okay, Just that incredible because they upload videos of themselves doing it and the meetings they have and in the field and stalking, harassing innocent people, demanding citizens papers. I mean it's everything they claim ICE is doing, they're doing it with no legal authority.

[Alex Jones]

So it's pretty shitty that Alex is teeing off on this story and he's not crediting online dipshit Cam Higby for doing the legwork of hanging out in a bunch of signal chats and taking screenshots. Alex is making up a ton of new details and embellishing this story out, but he's basing all of this on the supposed investigation someone else carried out. And Cam should get some credit for that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think that's smart.

[Alex Jones]

I read through Cam's tweets on this, and honestly, it seems like activists organizing. There was one tweet where he had a screenshot of someone saying something like they were expected at home base. And Cam commented that he'd been unable to locate where this home base was, but that this was proof that the protesters had a headquarters. Seems to me like this person could have easily been talking about going home. They're expected by their spouse at home or something.

[Jordan]

Sometimes there's a colloquial language.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, this is an almost perfect InfoWars primary source. It's not really all that scandalous, and no one's gonna read the stuff that was posted, but the fact that it exists is enough to use as a base upon which you can build whatever you want. Protest signal groups were infiltrated by a social media dipshit. So now, because that premise is true, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. Make up whatever you want. Soros is in there. Who cares?

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Are you gonna go check through all of the screenshots to see if what Alex is making up is true?

[Alex Jones]

Alex spent hours researching. Absolutely. Read the script to one battle after.

[Jordan]

Another, or at the very least he got a couple of them that'll back him up. Right?

[Alex Jones]

Saw some of Cam's tweets. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Man, I. I do like how this. This is like. Not only am I going to ignore the thing that is basically the death knell of any concept of principles, but I'm also going to talk about this extremely low stakes dumbness. And that is going to. I could do hours on that.

[Alex Jones]

Hours.

[Jordan]

Hours on that. Man, that just sucks.

[Alex Jones]

He should do some hours about the signal groups that his friends were in where they were planning on overthrowing the government on January 6th. Fake news.

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, here's the thing about that. Here's a good lesson. It's illegal until you win, and if you win, it's not illegal.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

So legality is kind of a.

[Alex Jones]

Is an interesting concept. It's a.

[Jordan]

It's a Schrodinger's cat, in a way.

[Alex Jones]

So Alex gets back to what you would describe as the most important thing for him to be talking about, which is of course. This murder.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And I think his take on it is bad.

[Dan]

And we just spent all day showing the new video, the guy getting shot yesterday, and we now have the HD of it. And it's clear that they thought he had another gun and a bunch of stuff fell on the ground, and they got scared, said, gun, gun. When they got his other gun and shot him. But they're not going to go to jail for it because they do it on purpose. They thought they were in danger. And he came with a gun and stuck himself in the middle of a riot. That's like, i35 is a few miles from here. People are driving 85 miles an hour on it. And if I just stood on the side of the road, just ran out in front of cars, somebody hits me. It's, it's, it's not their fault. And it turns out this, this nurse seems like a nice guy who got killed. His family with the messages are public, told him, don't do this, don't, don't do this. Be smart. I mean, I would not get anywhere near that.

[Alex Jones]

So the victim didn't bring a gun and decide to get involved in a riot. He went to a protest and legally carried a weapon. Something Alex believes is him exercising his first and Second Amendment rights. Understood correctly. Alex is trying to argue that it's too dangerous and tantamount to suicide to exercise your rights. If you're opposing Trump's government, they will kill you if they feel threatened, and no courts are going to do anything about it. Alex believing that militarized police were willing to kill protesters and dissenters, that's nothing new. That's been a feature of his content forever. But it's important to recognize that he's not on the people's side anymore. If federal agents kill you because they were scared of how you were exercising your rights, well, that's a shame. And you seem like a nice guy, but what do you expect to happen? Yeah, fuck this.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And I mean, but the other side of that is like, okay, so then if you are bringing a gun to a protest, you should be ready to murder people with it.

[Alex Jones]

I don't. I know. I don't know about that.

[Jordan]

But in terms of Alex.

[Alex Jones]

Well, yes, if you're Alex. Yeah.

[Jordan]

If you're saying, like, hey, if the government, if you bring a gun to a protest and it's fine for the government to murder you, then you're saying, don't bring a gun to a protest, or if you are bringing a gun to a protest, be aware that it is now a firefight.

[Alex Jones]

You know, I don't understand how he can, like, where the line is for any of that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

His messaging makes no sense whatsoever.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Alex Jones]

And it's all in service of that old boot that he loves so much.

[Jordan]

Oh, you got it. You got to be paid way more. You got to be paid a lot more. I just feel like you got to be paid a lot more, period, to do shit like this.

[Alex Jones]

Right. And that's kind of, you know, why I think there's two things that I think. I think it doesn't come down to money. I think that there's something else. Sure. But then secondarily, I think that this isn't really a betrayal of all the things that he's.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no.

[Alex Jones]

He was lying then.

[Jordan]

I agree.

[Alex Jones]

Like, this is as true as he can ever be to himself. He does not give a fuck if you get shot with a gun.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

He doesn't care about you, like, having a right to have a gun. He just doesn't want his white, Christian extremist friends to guns.

[Jordan]

Agreed. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm just saying that if you've built up this brand of being the guy who does this stuff, that's leverage. That's. That's a higher paycheck. You're not using it appropriately if you're not extorting money from the government.

[Alex Jones]

No, that's true. And I think he should rightly be recognizing the amount of danger that he was. Is putting himself.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Alex Jones]

The gun rights absolutists, like, are real.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't betray them.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. I think a lot of those right wing audiences that have been radicalized by his actions and people like his actions, I think a lot of them would see this kind of behavior as like, all right, man, you are a betrayer. Yeah. Like, I don't know, it strikes me as something they would not like. I mean, I would be worried if I were.

[Jordan]

I can't imagine any sort of unintended conference consequences coming from a bunch of shit talking lunatics radicalizing a bunch of gun toting lunatics as well.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, probably gonna be fine. So Alex earlier brought up a story about ICE taking a kid. And he gets back to that a little bit.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I mean, I've experienced the crime wave of this. So have you. And so nobody humanizes that, though. You know the name of the border patrol agents shot and killed last year? Do you know the names of the ICE agents shot? You got to look them up. But you know the names of the few people that ISIS Killed. And they go, oh, this five year old boy outside of school, they grabbed him as bait. No, his dad ran off. Illegal alien with a big rap sheet. They just took him in into the school. They admit now that wasn't true, but it's a matter. Oh, they're me. The little boy with his blue octopus hat on. So all they have is this emotion and manipulation.

[Alex Jones]

All that stuff Alex is saying in that clip is a lie. Five year old Liam Ramos was taken by ICE and the Border Patrol in the front yard of his home. Witnesses on the scene have said that it was clear that they were trying to hold this child to lure his mother out of her home so they could snatch her up, too. Because they didn't have the ability to enter the house, the mother refused to come outside, so her child was taken and brought to a detention center where his father was already being held. His father was a legal resident of the United States, having applied for asylum in 2024 after leaving Ecuador and following the steps that are required to go through for that process. He does not have a long criminal rap sheet. And in fact, CNN was unable to find any criminal record for the father, either in the United States or in Ecuador. Alex is lying about this case because it's indefensible. And. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep. I mean. I mean, it is. It is like, oh, those people are real.

[Alex Jones]

Mm.

[Jordan]

How about that? How about that? How about monsters? Monsters are real.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

So the best thing you can probably do is just lie about them to make everyone feel better for supporting those monsters. Yeah. So I. Look, they're targeted as hell.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex Jones]

They know what they're doing.

[Jordan]

Not enough.

[Alex Jones]

They're out there, they got warrants, and they're just like, they're taking care of business. Tcb, who's giving them warrants. But look, here, here's the thing. They don't just go around picking up anybody, but then sometimes they do, and that's fine, too.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Alex Jones]

But also, they're really targeted.

[Jordan]

All right, fair enough.

[Dan]

Say in the Podesta plan that I put articles up. Breitbart report on it. New York Times, it's got a link to it. You know, they call it what to do if Trump wins the election. That's the battle plan's actual name. And it says when they go out to do regular ICE enforcement, which is just the Interior Border Patrol, Immigration Customs Enforcement. They also, when people are making fake NFL jerseys or whenever they go raid the swap meets, it's their job. And they just act like they're just. They're not police. It's all illegal. There's no warrants. That's not true. And on, on it's court orders, administrative warrants, and regular warrants. They always have one. That's when they broke in a few weeks ago. The FBI manager's car. They're like, look at all this. They know where these people live and that they're not citizens and what they do and everything. Well, yeah, and look, they got, they got arrest warrants here for them. They got, yeah, they just show up somewhere randomly looking for somebody. I mean, they've done some stuff like go to Home Depots. You know, we got like 20 illegals out front every hour. They've scooped them up too, because Trump did. They say they did, but I've confirmed they have. They've got quotas, which I don't think is a good idea. I said day one and they kind of did this, but kind of didn't. I said, just focus on the people with huge criminal records. But ICE is like, well, okay, well when we're out doing this, we run other people that are here illegally and wants to get them.

[Alex Jones]

So you can't have it both ways. Either ICE is disciplined and they're actually out hunting down super criminal targets, or they're randomly picking up people they suspect might be in the country illegally in a big dragnet. If they're rounding up large groups from the Home Depot, then their operations are not targeted. Alex understands the difference and he doesn't care. This is bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's interesting when trying to defend them, you only make it more obvious that they're a state backed terrorist organization. Yeah, right.

[Alex Jones]

And they have quotas and are lying about. I mean.

[Jordan]

Yeah, like that's, that's the craziest thing. Oh, so they're a state backed terrorist organization that has no law or oversight whatsoever. And if you're giving them a warrant, I guess you're part of it.

[Alex Jones]

Hmm.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Hey, Judge, Judge, go fuck yourself. Who thinks that you're not a bad guy. You're in ICE now.

[Alex Jones]

It's shocking how much they're just going after their targets who are horrible criminals. And also sometimes they just pick up a bunch of people, you know, it's randomly. And see if any of them are criminals because it's fun.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they, they went after all the horrible criminals on week one. There were about eight. And then they were like, well, it turns out maybe all of our propaganda is bullshit, so instead let's just grab random people.

[Alex Jones]

I honestly think that's Generous of you.

[Jordan]

I know, I know.

[Alex Jones]

So Alex gets back to the guy who got shot. Sure. And yeah, he seems to have decided to go with the metaphor of like it's playing in traffic. This guy was playing in traffic.

[Dan]

Yeah. They had a million people protesting up there this weekend. And one guy with a gun and he gets tackled and then there's stuff flying around and things falling out and clips on the ground and gun, gun, gun. And in the hysteria, he is shot. Yeah. Don't play in traffic. Sad. He's dead. But the point is they created the chaos and said they're going to create the chaos to get this done. So they started it. It's their plan to do this. They're the bad guys again. ICE is 10,000 enforcers on the enforcement side against 40 million illegals. I'm surprised under the incredible pressure they're in, they haven't had more mistakes, you could say. But it wasn't intentional. And he came to that event and he was armed, and that's what happens. So they, they will not be convicted. Believe me. They're not happy about that. They're gonna get lawyers, they're gonna get sued, they're gonna get docs. They're trying to not do that, but they're like, gun, gun, gun, he had a gun. Bunch of stuff falls out on the ground. They think it's a gun. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That's. They're highly trained folks. These are almost all former police and military. They're not hiring wimps, as you can see. And. But they're also not playing around, folks. Rather being screamed at and attacked all day long, surrounded, and then you want to go insert yourself, the middle of it. You're asking for it, folks. It'd be like if there was a 50 mile an hour, 100 mile an hour windstorm. And I went up to Mount, Mount Bonnell in Austin, the highest point, and stood on the edge of a cliff. And then I get blown off the cliff and I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna die. Well, yeah, I mean, don't get in high wind and stay on the edge of a freaking cliff. Don't play in traffic.

[Alex Jones]

So it's important to understand the conceptual framework Alex is operating in here. This guy who federal agents killed has to be blamed for his own death. Because every other conclusion requires you to re examine whether or not ICE should be operating, how they do. And Alex, if he teases that threat out, has to become an enemy of the state.

[Jordan]

There's no other direction to go with.

[Alex Jones]

It the only thing that makes his death in any way debatable is the fact that he had a gun on him. That doesn't make the shooting justified, but it's the big what about that the Trump media has chosen to latch onto. As seen by so many members of the administration and other media figures, it's the variable that makes this an unfortunate accident instead of a murder. So a guy with a gun at a protest is to blame for their own death if the Feds kill him? That's the standard that we're starting with. But right off the bat, it's clear that Alex wouldn't defend that. He's loved gun toting protesters in the past, and multiple times he's had guests on his show only because they were on local TV carrying big guns at protests against Obama.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

From that, we learn that it can't just be the act of carrying a gun at a protest that Alex feels is like playing in traffic, where if you do it, you're to blame for your own death. That means we need to figure out what the variables are here that make it okay. It seems like the next meaningful factor Alex goes into is that the Democrats and globalists have raised the temperature and created a dangerous environment. So if one side is escalating and creating social unrest, then it's okay for the Feds to kill you if you're at a protest with a gun. But this can't be Alex's position either, because he was very aggressive about supporting the heavily armed trucker protests during COVID They were creating a very heightened, dangerous environment, and tons of them were opening openly carrying guns. Certainly Alex wouldn't just shake his head and say, oh, what a shame if one of those protesters, one of those people was killed because the Feds got scared. The next thing Alex seems to bring up is that there were people yelling and this guy got killed. He put himself in the center of things. This one is the easiest variable to dismiss because that's just a guy exercising his First Amendment rights. So Alex can't possibly think that that's what justifies his death. So after we take in the rationalizations that Alex has to offer, we don't really come away with any clarity. We hope for some kind of actual explanation for why this situation is different, why this is an instance of the Feds killing a citizen. That's okay for Alex. Whereas in the past, that would have marked the beginning of 1776, part two. And the unfortunate truth that you have to come to is that the joke is on us for imagining that there's a depth to the question at all. We demand a depth because the clown made us think that. But the truth is Alex just doesn't believe that people who disagree with him deserve rights. Yeah, that's it.

[Jordan]

Yep. On a rolling basis.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

On a. On a day to day. But I mean that is. That is kind of the. The truth of the malignant narcissist psychopath.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't really believe anybody else is real. So there's that.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. And I'm hip to that. And I think that's great. No, I don't think it's great. But it can't be policy, right?

[Jordan]

No, I mean it is.

[Alex Jones]

We can't live in a world where that kind of capriciousness dictates rights.

[Jordan]

I know the like. Who determines who's a malignant narcissist and who gets to determine who gets to do what and what not. But if again, I feel like we have created something of a Mendoza line in Alex. If you do Alex Shit. No, no. I don't even care. I don't even know. Need to know details. No. If you're doing Alex. Shit. No. The end.

[Alex Jones]

I can't argue with that. I mean, I think. I think it needs to be fleshed out. But no is a good response.

[Jordan]

If Alex's never again law. Anything that Alex does is illegal now.

[Alex Jones]

No one can drink water again. Look at me, man.

[Jordan]

You know what? You're not gonna drink water anymore. And then the problem will solve itself.

[Alex Jones]

Joke's on you. I drink diet Dr. Pepper. Anyway, we got one last clip and it's just. I think I can't stand listening to this shot. Voice. Yeah. And he's already made all the points that he needs to make.

[Dan]

Yeah. This is an invasion to break our country. Cloud and piven replacement migration on record. The Podesta plan is to use this to trigger a civil war. We have them. So yeah, I'll individually get on ice ass when somebody makes a mistake or does something wrong. But they are responding to the takeover. They are the literal front line in the attempt to take down this country. Look at the thankless job. The David versus Goliath job. Look at the attacks. Yeah, they're warriors, they're heroes. And some listeners want to say, oh my God, you're sucking the weenie of the police state. No, I'm not. The police state is the Democrats and the left. And then wanting to take our kids and brainwash us and take our speech. When you have illegal aliens run by the Democratic Party committing mass Crimes and. And the left telling their people, go out and riot. And we've still got men and women willing to go out there and face this attack to do their job against child molesters, arsonists, murderers, bank robbers, carjackers on the streets. Let me tell you, I wouldn't take ice job, because I'm gonna tell you right now, somebody starts spitting in my face, hits me in the head with a big old piece of ice. I go crazy. Somebody rams my car. I wouldn't be as controlled as they are.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, good. You wouldn't be as controlled as the people who just killed a guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know how you can be less controlled, but whatever. I think that. I think that this is pathetic.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I imagine this is exactly what it must have been like to, like, listen to a member of the clan talk shortly after they had just lynched an innocent dude.

[Alex Jones]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Just like. Yeah, well, they're all criminals and shit. And it's like, you know, they're not. You know, you're a murderer.

[Alex Jones]

You know? You know what?

[Jordan]

You know this.

[Alex Jones]

You know what it's like. It's like watching somebody who is too much of a coward to admit that he's part of the clan.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Justifying a lynching after it's happened.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Alex Jones]

That's like, oh, they were under threat. They had. Because Alex. Alex is too much of a fucking coward to put on the hood.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

Like, I. I'm not saying, hey, there's some dignity in being a member of the clan or anything like that, but.

[Jordan]

If that's the lesson you take away from this show, good fucking luck to you.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. No, Alex won't even own up to, like.

[Jordan]

You're right.

[Alex Jones]

The fact that that's where his heart is.

[Jordan]

He'll. He'll say that the Klan doesn't even exist. You're the one making it up. In fact, it's everybody else to people. And then they're just trying to. Yeah, no, it is. It is. Like, if you are this, then not only do I not think that you can make it back, I will also not allow you to make it back.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, absolutely.

[Jordan]

You know, like. And not even, like. I don't even mean, like, become a better person. Fuck off. You are a piece of shit. If you try and turn your life around, I will come to your house and make you feel like a piece of shit more.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, you should for the rest of your life, be hounded and miserable.

[Alex Jones]

Well, whether or not hounded and miserable is true, because I don't. I Don't know if, you know, people need to be, hey, I'm not going.

[Jordan]

To hire somebody to do it.

[Alex Jones]

Right. And here's where I want to agree with you.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

There isn't a road back.

[Jordan]

No, there can't be.

[Alex Jones]

There is no. Like this will be to the rest of Alex's life for his legacy. I want to get to the point where eventually he tries to change his brand. Yeah. Because you can't.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And I think, I just, I don't, I don't know.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

This can't possibly. I mean, it's obviously not the first time that Alex has had positions that were like strongly counter to his gun rights.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Alex Jones]

But again, it's fucking flagrant.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

It's brazen. And as we're seeing, because we're recording this on the 27th, the tide's shifting a little bit. The Trump administration is starting to feel the heat a little bit about like this one not being good.

[Jordan]

We'll see.

[Alex Jones]

So what does Alex do then?

[Jordan]

Says that it's also smart for them to. Here's what you do. You say that it's smart to pretend to take responsibility for this, just to give them one and then you can make them go away and yada, yada, yada.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, you're probably.

[Jordan]

This is a tactical move. It's a strategic move. It doesn't mean they're admitting guilt because they'll never admit guilt for anything. And that guy should have been killed. But strategically the smart move is to give one to the mob.

[Alex Jones]

We're gonna find out if that is his take on our next episode. But until then, fuck this shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

We have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Alex Jones]

Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor. Yeah. Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robot.

[Dan]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Dan]

I love you.