#1113: Tucker, The Man And His Awful Show

Summary

Knowledge Fight #1113: "Tucker, The Man And His Awful Show"

Release date: February 2, 2026
Hosts: Dan & Jordan

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Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan take a detailed and critical look at a recent video by Tucker Carlson, responding to the ICE protests and the police shooting of a woman in Minnesota. They explore how Tucker frames the event as emblematic of a much broader, existential threat to white Americans, deploying demographic data, racist anxieties, and ahistorical narratives. The episode is a deep dive into the dog whistles, rhetorical strategies, and outright bigotry present in Carlson’s show, with Dan and Jordan providing thorough context, fact-checking, and their signature irreverent commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening and Tone Setting

• The episode begins with banter, “bright spots,” and the revelation that today’s focus is “Tucker. The man and his awful show.”
• Dan provides context: “I don't really think this is great, but I also think that I had to look at it and I was shocked. So I want to present it even though I think it sucks.” (05:14)

2. Tucker’s Central Premise: The ‘Great Replacement’ & White Anxiety

• Carlson frames the ICE protest as not just about immigration or law enforcement, but as part of a grand narrative of “demographic change” and white displacement.
• “The battle over ICE is really a battle over demographic change in the United States. Who gets to live here, which is always and everywhere the fundamental question in any country… And in our country, that question has basically not been addressed out loud for the past 60 years.” — Tucker (15:03)
• Dan and Jordan note this is thinly veiled white nationalist rhetoric, rooted in the “Great Replacement” theory.

Dan [16:26]:
“The folks like Tucker are super anxious about the percentage of white people there are around. And their political interest in ICE’s actions is not about them caring about rule of law or jurisdictions. It’s based on their desire to carry out an ethnic cleansing in America.”

3. Manipulation and Bad-Faith Arguments

• Dan breaks down how Tucker’s formula works: elevate “man on the scene” types like Nick Sortor—similar to how Andy Ngo functioned in previous protest cycles—to gin up outrage with misleading footage and narratives.
• The show dissects Tucker's use of census data (comparing 1950 to the present) to build an argument that the decline of the white population in major cities is evidence of a threatening, intentional plot.

Jordan [30:07]:
“I already don’t agree with you, you piece of shit.”

Dan [32:12]:
“Emmett Till was killed in 1955. Brown vs. Board of Education was 1954. Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955. It’s just stupid to say there was domestic harmony in the 50s, but that’s part of the racist fantasy that is trying to rewrite history.”

4. Weaponizing Demographics, AI, and “Replacement”

• Tucker pivots seamlessly from census stats to Google/AI search summaries, mocking their “emotionally charged” tone when explaining the Great Replacement is a white nationalist conspiracy.
• The hosts highlight the absurdity, noting how Tucker pretends not to be deeply versed in this ideology, though he has defended it explicitly in the past.
• Jordan sight-gags: “I will kill all AI, every one of them.” (22:32)

5. Conflating Historical Atrocity With Present Policy

• Carlson uses examples from Ireland, Israel, Tibet, Rhodesia, and South Africa, insisting demographic change is always driven by “elites” to “conquer” the majority.
• This leads Dan and Jordan to break down fundamental errors and ahistoricity:
  • Rhodesia and South Africa were not white “majority” states, but colonial, apartheid regimes.
  • The white nationalist fear is projection: “They’re terrified of what nonwhite people would do in positions of power because they know that they want to use their positions of power to oppress nonwhite people.” — Dan (82:24)

6. Political Calculus: Voter ID and Electoral Manipulation Fantasies

• Tucker argues that lack of voter ID in big states is a “plan” to let “illegals” vote and dilute “native born American” power, ignoring actual voting law realities and making causal leaps from correlation.
• Dan exposes the superficiality and racism under research.

7. Open Bigotry and Christian Nationalism

• Carlson escalates to claims that hostility to "white Christians" is “obviously spiritual,” painting protests, BLM, and Pride as deliberate humiliation and destruction of straight white Americans.
• The show features a “normal church” pastor, Joe Rigney, who peddles the “Christ or chaos” argument: only with Jesus (i.e., their brand of Christian nationalism) can demographic change be peacefully resolved.

Pastor Rigney [152:53]:
“It’s Christ or chaos. Those are the two options. Like, those are, like, the basic options in America today. It’s Christ or chaos.”

8. Critique of Defensive Victim Narratives

• Dan and Jordan point out that all of Tucker’s arguments serve the goal of manufacturing justification for ICE and police excesses, and ultimately for an ethnic defensive project.
• The episode concludes with them calling on responsible Christians to denounce and separate from this white nationalist strain, clarifying that Christianity is not by definition this kind of racist ideology—though the line must be drawn clearly now.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan [18:48]:
  “The support for what ICE is doing is based on a white nationalist fantasy that people like Tucker want to make real… If people like him had been honest about what they want we would have crushed him by now.”
• Tucker [59:23]:
  “It’s a debunked far right white nationalist conspiracy theory, really? No, it’s not. It’s just the opposite. It’s the realest thing that ever happened.”
• Dan [70:00]:
  “This video and the argument that Tucker is making is a very clear example of him trying to manufacture consent among his audience for ICE killing anyone they want and operating in any way they please in order to achieve the goal of stopping what he feels is white replacement.”
• Tucker [77:08]:
  “But the second motive here, which is inescapable… is racial triumphalism, loathing for the people being replaced…”
• Dan [78:01]:
  “Tucker is anything but uncomfortable saying this… he is legitimately saying that there’s a demonic force that’s trying to wipe out white people.”
• Pastor Rigney [152:53]:
  “It’s Christ or chaos. There are no third options.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Intro & Bright Spots: 01:00–05:00
• Why cover Tucker on ICE protest: 07:00–09:00
• Tucker intro/Overview of ‘demographic change’: 08:51–15:50
• Great Replacement Theory: AI summary and Tucker’s Google search bit: 20:05–27:10
• Census, Whiteness & Urban Demographics: 29:21–37:42
• Misrepresenting the decline of white population — using selective census data: 34:21–40:53
• Abstraction to ‘leaders control demographics’: 44:00–45:51
• Historical analogies (Ireland, Israel, Rhodesia, South Africa): 51:03–88:41
• Voter ID & “illegals voting” argument: 72:43–75:19
• Rage about BLM, Pride, confederate monuments: 55:01–58:14
• Christ or Chaos, church protest pastor’s argument: 152:47–154:23
• Dan’s conclusion: responsibility of Christians to separate from this project: 159:52–163:04

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Analysis & Takeaways

Tucker’s Rhetoric is Openly White Nationalist

• No longer relying on subtlety or “plausible deniability,” Carlson now freely blends old Nazi talking points (“demographic change,” “replacement,” “defeated populations get crushed”) with Christian nationalist apocalypse rhetoric (“Christ or chaos”), painting any challenge to white Christian dominance as existential and supernatural evil.
• Dan [59:36]: “…a plan being carried out by a shadowy group of elites who are making choices to conquer the white man and replace him with foreigners. And that’s not a conspiracy theory. That’s the realest thing ever.”

Exploiting Audience Fear

• By amplifying the language of siege and replacement, Carlson flirts with outright calls for violence.
• Dan and Jordan explore the logic: If what Tucker says is true, anything less than open warfare would make no sense.

Hypocrisy & Cynicism

• Hosts debunk Carlson’s bad-faith readings (eg, Nancy Pelosi’s speech about her grandson); the supposed anti-white “racial epithets” at the church protest are non-existent (“I was expecting a honky.” — Jordan, 126:28).
• Much of Carlson's audience primes themselves to absorb his narrative, hearing outrage where none exists.

Christian Nationalism as a Rallying Flag

• The episode carefully dissects how “Christian identity” is wielded to sanctify racial hierarchy and political repression under a framework that offers no middle ground: “Christ or Chaos.”

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Final Thoughts

The hosts conclude that while this kind of content would have once been relegated to the bitterest margins, it's now normalized as prime time right-wing media.
Dan and Jordan urge responsible Christians (and all listeners) to draw clear lines against this rebranding of white supremacy. Ultimately, the episode leaves listeners with a sense of both alarm and responsibility: this is not just media criticism, but a call to action in the fight over America's moral and political compass.

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Listen to the Podcast and Further Resources

If you’ve never listened to Knowledge Fight:
This episode is rich with context, historical reference, and pointed humor. Dan and Jordan’s analysis not only exposes the fallacies and dangers in right-wing media rhetoric, but models critical listening and the importance of standing up against white nationalist narratives in mainstream culture.

Transcript

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[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

A couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

I have a quick question for you.

[Dan]

Sup?

[Narrator/Analyst]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, it is February, so that means I can go first.

[Jordan]

Oh, we've got it. We've abandoned the bits.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Horibo. You fucked up.

[Dan]

Yep, yep, yep. The advent calendar thing was fun for one month and then laborious for a second.

[Jordan]

Man, that Haribo. I wonder. There's a. There's an alternate universe where a perfect advent calendar kept us going into February.

[Dan]

But sooner or later, we could have maybe made it through the whole year.

[Jordan]

Could have.

[Dan]

We needed that momentum and the second month just.

[Jordan]

But sooner or later, Haribo was going to come and he was going to. Haribo was going to end this. This bit was going to run into a Haribo wall.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's unfortunate.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And we bounced off it like so many giant gummy bears. So my bright spot is. I was telling you before we started recording, but I watched the trilogy of SNL 90s movies. Night at the Rock. Spare.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Superstar. Ladies, man.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I don't. I think it's an indication of me not being as much of a hater as I used to be that I kind of enjoyed them. Yeah, I had a decent time with them.

[Jordan]

The edges soften ages. Age is harsh. Age is harsh on us all.

[Dan]

I would say of those three.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's a hard. It's a hard call.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Superstar might be the best of the three.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think Molly is just a fucking. She is a talent.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

She was underappreciated. Still is a talent.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Underrated by history.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So what about you? What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright Spot is the end of the Australian Open. The, the whole tournament was kind of boring. Not a lot of great matches. The last three matches, both semifinals and the final were three of the best matches you'll see in your life. Alcaraz and Zverev played for five and a half hours. Whoa. Alcaraz barely pulled it out. Sinner and Djokovic played for five hours.

[Dan]

That's too long.

[Jordan]

And Djokovic pulled it out. So then Alcaraz and Djokovic played in the final for about four hours and it was just absolutely incredible.

[Dan]

I guess, I guess tennis matches are usually fairly long. That still seems, that seems on the.

[Jordan]

Long end there, there. A regular tour match is best of three sets.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right. So you're rarely going to go longer than two hours. A major is best of five. So you're usually going to find yourself in the three hour range. Anything over five is a test of psychology, human endurance.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Life itself.

[Dan]

It's Iron man stuff.

[Jordan]

It is, it is. Yeah.

[Dan]

I actually, I was watching the Royal Rumble.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And they had some commercials for the Australian Open.

[Jordan]

Fun.

[Dan]

And they did not have names. And I realized that as I was watching it, I was like, oh, that might be Alcaraz. I have no idea what he looks like.

[Jordan]

Does it matter?

[Dan]

I have no idea. I've heard you talk about these people constantly.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Dan]

And I realized that I had no face to put with a name.

[Jordan]

I will promise you this. When you, if you see Alcaraz, you'll go, that's a world class athlete. That is also an incredible man. If you see Yannick Sinner, his only true rival. Now you'll go, like, who escaped from a weird German town and is not wearing the right clothing. Like, he's a strange looking fella.

[Dan]

But no one looks at me as a German runaway in the commercial.

[Jordan]

But yeah, he's an Italian from that section of Italy where you're like Swiss and German and all those. All that kind of just hangs out in the same spot.

[Dan]

Yeah. I thought they all looked fine and they looked like they were having fun out there.

[Jordan]

They were, they did. They had a grand time.

[Dan]

So we're not going to have a great time today. Jordan. I believe that we're going to be going over a little, a little episode and yeah, it's Tucker.

[Jordan]

Yeah, great. Yeah, great. Tucker, I'm sure is going to step up.

[Dan]

As we were preparing to record and as I'm now introducing the episode. I don't really think this is great, but I also think that I Had to look at it and I was shocked. So I want to present it even though I think it sucks.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And I think I don't. It's awful.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go.

[Dan]

Apologies to you and the audience. So we'll get down to that in a second here. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello.

[Jordan]

That's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, congrats to K and Kara on our future gay antifa baby and could be savior of humanity. Thank you so much. You're now Paul Zwong. I'm a policy wonk.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. Happy birthday, Lauren. I'm doing research in my brain to find you a better present than this. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And to Nick King, who loves Marx and hates Alex Jones. Fuck Alex Jones. Thank you so much. You're in. How a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to my spouse, Locke. Between the state of the world and the losses we're continuing to face, this is hands down the worst year of our lives. But I know we're gonna make it through this year because we're together. Love, Honey bunny. Thank you so much. You are now technocrat.

[Jordan]

I'm a policy wonk. Four star.

[Dan]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

[Jordan]

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[Dan]

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[Jordan]

He's a loser. Little titty baby.

[Dan]

I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Bad news. This episode not going to make your year better.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, here's the problem. When I read that, I got inspired. I was like, yeah, you know what? We are going to make it through this year. And now, knowing that it's on this episode, I'm like, God damn it, guys, I don't know if we're going to do this.

[Dan]

Let's try to hold on to a little bit of optimism, like, you know, just for the sake of it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can do it.

[Dan]

So I wanted to get a little bit of an outside perspective because we've seen Alex's response to the ice killings in Minnesota, and I wanted to see, like, the temperature of other things.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And so I watched a couple of other other, you know, content creators. I was Thinking about covering Nick Fuentes as a response to it. But I mean, that guy's. He's a troll, you know, like, and it's just, it's. I, I don't want to cover a whole episode of his. It's.

[Jordan]

I think we really need to engage with him.

[Narrator/Analyst]

No.

[Dan]

And a lot of his streams end up being like super chats that are people asking him and answering questions. And so, like, I don't know, structurally. And so I thought, hey, Tucker's the other guy. And so I found his video that he's talking about the ICE protests.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And the title of the video is something to the effect of what the ICE protests are really about and what it means for white America.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So that tells you right off the.

[Jordan]

Bat, I will say this. I know a man who is now sure that he was against the Iraq war. And I imagine 20 years from now there will be a man I know who is sure he was totally against ice.

[Dan]

Oh, my God. It's going to be like, can you believe they sold that to us?

[Jordan]

I can't believe people liked ICE at all. That's crazy. Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So he'll be fanning himself and be scandalized, but for now, here is his little video.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Good evening. The single biggest political issue divide in the United States right now is ice. Minneapolis is a disaster tonight. There is widespread violence, mob violence. There is political turmoil, chaos, really. We're going to be going live there in a moment. Nick Shorter, who's been covering all this and shot some amazing video, will speak to one of the pastors of the church that was invaded by lunatics by anti ICE activists. It really is the mobilizing force on the left and it's the focus of much of the right.

[Dan]

One of the first things you can see from that clip is the fact that Tucker is using Nick Sortor as his man on the scene. Just like Alex, Nick is the right wing media's chosen guy who's willing to go to protests to get footage for them to be scandalized by. His role was mostly played by Andy NGO in the 2016 cycle. And the two of them have almost identical scams. They find places where tensions are high and there's a strong protest movement building. They identify the side that's being protested against and subtly or not so subtly, show allegiance to that side. Andy would pal around with the patriot prayer guys and the proud boys in Portland, and Nick has been very clear that he's friends with and dining with ICE agents. They proceed to post manipulative and biased Footage that plays into the narrative being pushed by the side they're friends with, while all the while they pretend that they're attending these protests in the capacity of being an unbiased journalist. Local activists often are pretty able to see through this game and they treat folks like Andy and Nick with great disdain, which they then use to portray themselves as targeted victims out there against this evil mob. Nick is kind of living it up now, but he should be very aware of how expendable he is. The best thing that could ever happen for the folks he supplies content for, like Alex or Tucker, is for him to die. If he just gets beat up, they can make some great content out of that, but he's not worth more to them healthy and happy than he is dead or paralyzed or something.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know.

[Jordan]

Yep. I wouldn't volunteer to go to the front line of like the battle of.

[Dan]

The bulge, especially to fuck with people.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like to be an antagonist.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You're not even fighting for anything. No.

[Dan]

You're not really getting scoops. You're just kind of pissing people off.

[Guest 1]

Yep.

[Jordan]

You're just a piece of shit professionally.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Dan]

For. For clips.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The situation Tucker is talking about where a church was invaded, happened at a place called Cities Church in St. Paul. Anti ICE protesters disrupted a service because one of their pastors, David Easterwood, is also the head of an ICE field office. This one's a. That would have been a spit take, I think, if you. If you had water in your mouth.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Listen, this is a great world. I think we are killing it.

[Dan]

It's. It's a mix. I mean, who says you can't have two jobs? I don't know.

[Jordan]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

So to me, this is a little bit messy. And initially I didn't know what I thought about it. Now I absolutely don't think that the protesters did anything wrong. And they obviously weren't trying to invade a church. But I can also see how a church would be pissed off about one of their pastors out of church political activities becoming a disruption for the church itself. The reason that I think that this is probably a reasonable stance is that for years churches have been expected to remain apolitical as part of maintaining their tax exempt status. If that demand is made of churches, then it kind of makes sense that if this pastor deserves to be protested, the congregation doesn't need to be brought into it. I can see that argument.

[Guest 1]

Sure.

[Dan]

I think the protesters point is completely correct. And I imagine that they were hoping to drive home the message that working For ICE is incompatible with Christian values. But I don't know if it works tactically and maybe even from, like, a concept standpoint.

[Guest 1]

Sure.

[Dan]

I'm not sure. Especially when I first heard this news, I was like, it feels dicey.

[Jordan]

If you know, your pastor is an ICE guy, you're already in. There's no. There's no protest that's going to be like, what? This guy's an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. You're there.

[Dan]

Yeah, maybe. I think there's a lot of people who are eager to point out, like, you know, for someone, like, coming from where I'm coming from where I'm like, I don't know if you want to go invade a church or protest at a church, people will point out that ICE has no problem with detaining someone in a church. And that's true. I can't argue that point, but I think that forming moral justifications based on what a bunch of monsters would do is probably not going to solve anything, and it's not worth it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, just off the bat, I empathize with the idea of these churchgoers, like, the possibility that they could feel like this protest was an inappropriate invasion of their space. But I wholeheartedly denounce the way that a person like Tucker is going to spin this like it's an attack on Christendom and. And what have you.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, in essence, that is the. That is the battle being held right there. Right. Is in a world, Christianity can also have a nice guy. And in another world, Christianity is entirely against that. Period.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

So in a way, it is an attack on Christendom. If your belief in Christendom is completely antithetical to anything anyone would ever consider close to the Christ life story.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Hold on to those thoughts, because we'll revisit them as we go along.

[Jordan]

I imagine so. I imagine so. I bet his view of the Bible and mine are fairly different. Yeah.

[Dan]

There's some diversions. So the protests, they're about a lot of things, but mostly it's about how many white people are around.

[Jordan]

That sounds true.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And it's about a lot of different things. On the surface, it's about, of course, who has authority over the borders. Does federal authority mean anything? It's about law enforcement. To what extent can you pursue criminals in your own country? It's, of course, about immigration. ICE standing for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Of course. But big picture, it's about something much bigger, and that's why it's become such a passionate divide. The battle over ICE is Really a battle over demographic change in the United States. Who gets to live here, which is always and everywhere the fundamental question in any country who lives there, who are these people? What are they like? And in our country, that question has basically not been addressed out loud for the past 60 years, even as the population of the United States has changed dramatically. And that's one of the reasons the battle over ICE and its jurisdiction and what to do with all the people living in the United States illegally has become so passionate and so fraught because no one is saying out loud what exactly this is about. And so as a first step to making things better, it would help to see things clearly.

[Dan]

Tucker is so correct here, but he's also wrong and a liar. That was almost like a perfect Tucker Carlson sentence. There are two sides to this moral question with the ICE protests and what have you. One of them is represented by people like Tucker and the other is represented by the protesters in Minnesota. The protesters there don't really care about the percentage of the US population that's white. It's a non factor in their lives. Even if they're people who care a lot about social justice and racial equality, the relative number of people who look like them is not the highest like order priority for them politically.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Conversely, the folks like Tucker are super anxious about the percentage of white people there are around. And their political interest in ICE's actions is not about them caring about rule of law or jurisdictions. It's based on their desire to carry out an ethnic cleansing in America. They know that what they want is evil. And they know that if they would just come out and say it, they would deserve whatever horrible things the public would do to them. Yeah, because they have to hide. They need to insist that the other side is actively trying to carry out a white genocide. If that's true, then their genocidal inclinations are totally understandable and really just defensive survival stuff. This is the part where Tucker is wrong and he's a liar. He's mischaracterizing the side he's against in order to justify the side he supports carrying out atrocities. It's basically exactly what he did during the Iraq war, except instead of targeting Muslims in another country, its US residents, almost exactly what Alex warned about for his entire career. The part of this that Tucker is totally right about is that we've gotten to this point because people won't say out loud what it is they want, particularly his side. They've all wanted a white ethnostate this whole time, but it's been Career suicide to say that folks like Richard Spencer jumped the gun on staking the position of being an unrepentant white supremacist. And because of that bad timing, he lost out on a huge career and. And a ton of money. Stefan Molyneux had a huge show in 2016 news. A libertarian darling, but he went white supremacist just a little too early to cash in. Yeah, these are just recent examples, but modern history is full of people who went a little too racist too early, and they lost their careers over it. And everyone in Tucker's position knows that. They were raised in that world and they learned to talk on camera in that environment.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The world has changed now. There's no real consequence for just being racist. The political correctness wall has broken down, and there's no reason to not just say what you mean with your whole chest. The support for what ICE is doing is based on a white nationalist fantasy that people like Tucker want to make real. And Tucker is correctly pointing out that the reason we're in this situation is because none of his friends would speak honestly in the past. The irony is that Tucker is right, that we wouldn't be here if people like him had been honest about what they want for, like, the past 50 years. But that's because we would have crushed him by now if he had been honest.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We would not have put up with the steps that ended up getting us here.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah. Yep. Allowing them a brown bag without question, led us to a sense of, like, false security that has gotten us here. I mean, you know, the other side of that, though, is we're doing great. Right. The present's awesome. Everybody's just really. Now that the political correctness is. Oh, God. Oh, God. It's. Oh, it's so awful.

[Dan]

It's so fascinating to be in a situation where, like, that whole thing is gone. Like, there is no political correctness that you need to follow, and they're still fucking complaining about it.

[Jordan]

I mean, and the weirdest part is, of all the things that has that it was weaponized. Using it against us was one of the most effective weapons anyone has ever used. Quite so to somehow still be bitching about it.

[Dan]

It's fascinating.

[Jordan]

It is very annoying.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So look, man, some people have said some things about a great replacement.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Now this is a replacement. That's big.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And maybe it's a theory.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Or maybe not.

[Jordan]

Okay, let's.

[Dan]

Let's ask AI.

[Jordan]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Let's talk about what exactly is going on in The United States and why it's led to the battles in, say, Minneapolis. What's happening in the United States is a wholesale change of who lives here. Total demographic change. Now some have called this replacement and the question is, is it really replacement? So we thought we would look it up. If you were someone following along at home trying to figure out, you know, what is everyone so mad about? What is this great replacement theory? You might go, as almost everybody does first to Google and just type in great replacement theory and AI would come up with the following result. This is hot off Google, AI. Here's what it says. If you look up great replacement theory on Google, we're quoting. The great replacement theory is a debunked meaning untrue, far right, meaning Nazi white nationalist, meaning racist conspiracy claiming that white populations, particularly in Europe and the US are being deliberately replaced by non white immigrants and minorities, often orchestrated by replacist elites, leading to demographic shifts and cultural erosion, fueling extremist violence and anti immigrant sentiment. That's one sentence, by the way, a run on sentence. But it is AI and it's quite a sentence.

[Dan]

Tucker did a video defending the great replacement shit before he got fired from Fox. So this whole like, let's Google this thing to learn about it act is fucking stupid.

[Jordan]

Fuck off.

[Dan]

Seriously, he sounds like a dipshit kid who's doing a book report trying to pad their word count and sound smarter by, let's quote Miriam Webster fucking opening sentence ass.

[Jordan]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

Everyone already knows that he believes this shit. So it comes off a little dishonest for him to pretend to not have deep knowledge about white replacement theories. The reason that Tucker is taking this tone is at least partially because he knows that he's trying to sell the audience Nazi shit and he's afraid to be blunt about it because if he is, people might start throwing bricks at him.

[Jordan]

I guess. I mean, personally, I'm offended at that man trying to get mad at anything for a run on sentence. How fucking dare he? How fucking dare he? He is a less competent writer than a non existent, non person Googling fucking bullshit, right?

[Dan]

And one of the reasons that that ended up being being a run on sentences he kept adding clauses to, he kept adding his own like editorial little asides.

[Jordan]

Oh my God, I want, I, I want to fight everybody. I want AI gone now. I realized something. I was just trying to buy a thing, right? I was just trying to buy a thing and they wouldn't keep a goddamn chatbot away from me. It was just like, no fucking talk to this thing. And I was like, no, it all makes sense. It all makes sense. Herbert was totally right. I thought it was kind of funny, the idea of a Butlerian Jihad where you have to destroy all AI and now I am 100% at the forefront. I will kill all AI, every one of them.

[Dan]

Yeah, look, I'm not on. I'm not sold, but I'll join you.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, I don't like.

[Jordan]

I will lead this charge.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I just want it gone. Leave me alone.

[Dan]

Fair enough. I mean, chatbots are annoying, so. Also, the most recent episode of the Zach Quinto Woke House show had to do with AI psychosis.

[Jordan]

God damn it. I hate all of you.

[Dan]

I'm very worried about it.

[Jordan]

All of you.

[Dan]

So. Look, man, they just want you to be afraid of thinking that the Great Replacement Theory is real. So AI is trying to. Trying to tell. Trying to scare you away from.

[Jordan]

Right. That makes sense.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And it tells you point blank this is not true. Anyone who believes in it is deranged and is stoking violence simply by believing in it. And it goes on to explain how this works. The theory, quote posits that mass migration, declining white birth rates, and political agendas by elites are intentionally replacing white populations. It has inspired numerous acts of mass murder, violence, with perpetrators often citing this theory. Research shows that endorsers of the Great Replacement Theory often hold antisocial traits, authoritarian views, and negative attitudes toward minorities and immigrants. In other words, once again, believing that the population of this or any other country is being manipulated by people in power and the people who are born here are being replaced by people who weren't believing that is not only wrong, it's misinformation. It's been debunked. It's also dangerous. You can kill people by believing that. Well, how does that work exactly?

[Dan]

Run on sentence. Ass.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So I want to draw a sharp focus on the way Tucker is using language. He says that this AI generated explanation is saying that you can kill people by believing the Great Replacement Theory. He's phrasing it this way because he's lazy, he hates his audience, and because he needs to make this idea sound stupid. Obviously, it's weird to think that you holding a belief alone could hurt someone else. But no one would argue that holding a particular belief can, like, not motivate you in. In your actions. That could include hurting someone.

[Jordan]

Come on.

[Dan]

One idea is silly and easy to mock. So it's what Tucker pretends this is saying. Because he sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he really sucks.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I would be interested to Know, like, here's one of my problems, right? So this AI thing has this whole fucking ba ba ba summary bullshit, right? But it doesn't touch on the truth of American history, which is that ultimately, when it comes down to it, the Great Replacement Theory is about keeping labor costs out. It's about terrorizing illegal immigrants so they never can feel comfortable enough to ask for more money. It's about forcing people into situations where you can exploit them over and over and over again. Because the other option is violence.

[Dan]

That's at least a big part of it.

[Jordan]

It's America. Labor costs are America.

[Dan]

So what I'm hearing is that you think we need a more insightful AI.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm hearing.

[Dan]

So we need to go to work on this.

[Jordan]

I guess so. I guess so.

[Dan]

Well, I think. I think you and Tucker might find some agreement that interesting. He also has some criticisms of this AI, I bet. And one of them is that it's too emotional. It sounds emotional.

[Jordan]

What?

[Narrator/Analyst]

It's also dangerous. You can kill people by believing that. Well, how does that work exactly? It doesn't sound like a cool, objective analysis of the theory of replacement. It sounds instead like, well, a political screed. But maybe even more than that. It sounds like an article of religious faith. You're not allowed to believe this. Only bad people believe it. It's apostasy. It could lead to death believing that. And that seemed a little emotional for us, man.

[Dan]

The AI blurb. Too emotional. This is loser shit. And yes, I'm sorry to break this to Tucker, but people who hold nonsensical racist beliefs also tend to have other negative traits. It sucks for people like him, but that's kind of just how it goes. Yeah. The reason this happens is because this kind of racist shit never exists in a bubble. No one's a perfectly well adjusted, totally tolerant, happy, go lucky person who also believes that a shadowy group who totally aren't the Jews is trying to replace white people. Holding beliefs like that ends up penetrating the other areas of your life. And it will end up alienating the people around you except the people who hold those same nonsensical beliefs. The belief that white people are being replaced is based on a gigantic level of aggrievement. And that's something that ends up applying to everything in your life, every aspect of your life. There is a way that you can blame other people for the situation that you're in not being as good as it could be. And the Great Replacement shit catches all of those feelings. It will cover all Your bases. Tucker's trying to pretend that people are saying that you can't hold these beliefs. But no one's saying that. We're just saying that the shield of political correctness is gone. And no one's going to pretend that you're not a racist if you believe explicitly racist shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You threw away the paper bag, buddy.

[Jordan]

You chose this.

[Dan]

Yeah. This is your life's work.

[Jordan]

And now. So here's another thing that AI can do now. AI can provide the bullshit fake answer that Tucker gets to. Like, he doesn't even have to look around the Internet for some asshole to say something like this. Now he can just query an AI and be like, oh, can you see what this asshole wrote? It's. It's an amalgamation of nothingness.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that in the past he just paid someone to do that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And then now he pays someone to check the AI.

[Jordan]

Oh, go.

[Dan]

So it really is the same.

[Jordan]

It is basically the same thing for him. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair.

[Dan]

It's just a robot is doing his interns work.

[Jordan]

Nobody's even real in here.

[Dan]

Yeah. So look, I think that we need to figure out what's going on here with this replacement.

[Guest 1]

Sure.

[Dan]

And so the only thing we can do is look at the census. Let's check out some numbers.

[Jordan]

What world does that? Fine, fine.

[Narrator/Analyst]

You know what?

[Jordan]

Let's look at the census. That's great.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

That's great.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And that seemed a little emotional for us. So we decided instead to consult the science. Because obviously we believe the science. And the science, as always, begins with numbers. Things that are quantifiable, that are measurable. And one of the ways we know the truth about who lives here is through the census taken every 10 years. It's in the Constitution. And that provides us not precise numbers, but a pretty accurate general picture most of the time and certainly over time of who lives here. So let's start because it's a easy and obvious place to start at the beginning of the post war era Peak America, 1950, the first post war census. And I think everyone would agree whether they're right or wrong.

[Jordan]

No, I won't.

[Narrator/Analyst]

I don't.

[Jordan]

I already don't agree with you. I don't agree with you, you piece of shit.

[Narrator/Analyst]

1950.

[Dan]

All right, we need, we need to play that back. Because this is a guy who believes.

[Narrator/Analyst]

In the science and I think everyone would agree, whether they're right or wrong, that this is a period remembered as the best time in America. 1950.

[Dan]

He's saying that everyone would agree that the 1950s were the best time in American history and that some of them might be wrong, some might be right. They might be right, might be wrong, but everyone would agree this show must be written by AI because it's a fucking dumb sentence coming out of his mouth. Everyone does not agree that the 50s were the best time in America. That's fucking dumb. White supremacists, like, they were mad back then, too.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I'm excited to hear about the census, though. Like, it's. What kind of insights are we gonna find?

[Jordan]

Were mad during slavery that there wasn't enough slavery. Yes. They were mad that black people could move up 150 miles and not be slaves anymore. Fucking crazy. These people are angry.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's imagining some kind of, like, fantasy world of, like, regressing Pleasantville.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

No, no, no. You would be so mad back then, too. You'd be so mad. Don't worry about it.

[Jordan]

You. You would be angrier that somebody was drinking out of a water fountain.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Which at the very least, I wouldn't have had to hear about it because they didn't have enough radios back then or some bullshit for you.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

God damn it.

[Dan]

Your particular things that you were mad about would be a little different, but you'd be the same.

[Jordan]

But the same.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Identical in every way.

[Dan]

So look, the 50s, man. They ruled that.

[Narrator/Analyst]

This is a period remembered as the best time in America. 1950. United States is an industrial power. It's the leader of the west, if not really the world. And America domestically is pretty harmonious, thriving. Happy.

[Jordan]

Gah.

[Dan]

The US Was an industrial power. That's fair enough. The domestic harmony part doesn't really fly, though. Emmett Till was killed in 1955.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Dan]

Brown versus the Board of Education was a case heard in 1954.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

It's just stupid to say that there was domestic harmony in the 50s, but that's part of the racist fantasy that's trying to rewrite history. Yeah. The 50s were the last time that a white supremacist could reasonably think that their side was gonna comfortably stay in power. So it's remembered with this wistful fondness that Tucker is expressing. They view the social developments of the 60s as an uprooting of the natural order of things, because that was when people started fighting back in a meaningful and effective way. And the 50s were the last time before that.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep. Yep.

[Jordan]

The Beats got their ass beat. And that was why they enjoyed it.

[Dan]

Most of the things that you would look back on as like disharmony.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Are things that are being foist upon vulnerable groups in the 50s, whereas in the 60s you start to see people making headway, pushing back.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The power of standardized history can never be, can never be underestimated because the amount of people who know what actually happened a short period before they were alive is so few.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's so few. You know what, it sucks though, because I think we're learning that there's an equal downside to unstandardized history.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure. You know, no, there's, there's absolutely a, like. Well, you know, at least we all shared it.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

It wasn't true, but at least we all had it. Well, you know.

[Dan]

Yeah. At least there were some things that were right. You know?

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

You could dig deeper and find more.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Whereas now start digging deeper on this. You're now fucking get into race science real fast.

[Jordan]

All American history textbooks are about to become the same as like creation history, evolution books. Like.

[Dan]

No, it's going to be like the bell curve.

[Jordan]

We're. Yeah, we're, we're gone. It is all pretend from here on out.

[Dan]

So we look at the. We look at the census from 1950.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And we see that big cities were mostly white back then.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Let's take a look at who lived in America in 1950, and let's do that by taking a closer look at the population of the top six cities, which at the time were. And this tells you a lot right here. Redlined New York was number one. Chicago was number two. Philadelphia was number three. Los Angeles, number four. Very redlined Detroit, number five. Redline Baltimore, number six.

[Jordan]

Crazy.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Kind of hard to imagine, but in 1950, not that long ago, within living memory, those were the numbers. So here's what they were. The biggest city in the United States then and now was New York City. New York City in 1950 was 90% white. 71 million New Yorkers out of 7.9 million were white. Chicago in 1950 was 86% white. Philadelphia, over 80%. Los Angeles, 94% white. 94% white. That's almost an ethno state actually at that point. Detroit, Detroit, Michigan, home of Ford, GM and Chrysler, 84% white, white. Baltimore, steel and shipping capital of The Mid Atlantic, 76% white. That was 1950. You know, people who are alive in 1950, maybe you were. Here are the numbers today. Baltimore, 27% white. Detroit, about 10% white, down from 84. Los Angeles, again, 94%, about 37% white now. Philadelphia, 36%. Chicago, less than 30%. And New York City, again, the biggest city in the country, is now around 30% white, down from 90% in 1950. So you think to yourself, well, maybe these cities have just shrunk. And a lot of them have. Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago. All much smaller than they were. What's interesting is that New York is bigger than it was, but a million people more live in New York than they did in 1950, and yet the proportion of whites has declined well from 90% to 30. But so is the absolute number.

[Dan]

So there's a couple things to consider with the census that Tucker is talking about here. The first is that if you go consult the forms that were used to collect the data, the race options that were available to choose from were white, Negro, American Indian, Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino.

[Jordan]

We knew all five people back then.

[Dan]

These categories are obviously not precise. And as it happens, 1950 was also the last census where the decision of what race someone was got taken by the census taker. They made the decision. Starting in 1960, people were allowed to self determine their race, but prior to that point, it was up to the person filling out the form. So it's very possible that a lot of people who Tucker would not consider white were called white in the 1950 census.

[Jordan]

I very much suggest that to be the case.

[Dan]

And what I'm talking about is just for people who use the P1 form, which was used by enumerators when they were able to make contact with homeowners and actually interview them. For many people, they didn't speak to census takers, and they just filled out a P2 form which only allowed two race options of white or Negro.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

What is true is that the population of the United States was a higher percentage white in 1950, going by whatever definition of white we want to use. But Tucker's playing games a bit, and census data is exactly the right statistics to use for that. This is like, just right in his sweet spot for bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, and the level of exploitative awareness is fucking ridiculous. Because of course, even. Even accounting for that, then you've got fucking. The reason that those places were those places was because they kept people out. And then whenever they couldn't keep people out anymore because of people like Tucker, they were like, oh, black people are gonna move here. So they moved away. Yeah, they moved away from the cities because of you. If you want the cities to be more white, don't be you. Yeah, God damn it.

[Dan]

It would help. Yeah. No, that's that's definitely true, but I think there's even more just like, fundamental problem. He's saying he trusts the science.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think you're making a great argument, but that's not the science. Or actually it might be, but hold on.

[Jordan]

That made me, you know. Okay, so we've accepted on Alex's world there is no continuity. Right. But it is still instinctively ingrained within me anytime we go outside of Alex's world. To be like, no, you can't say that because I was alive in the past.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And you are not allowed to even say, like, the word science. You have to say the magic. I believe in. That's what Tucker gets to say.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He does not get to say science.

[Dan]

Yeah, we've all had to know who you are since, like, I was, I don't know, 17.

[Jordan]

Yeah, probably.

[Dan]

Like Tucker's been a public figure that whole time. Yeah, like, come on.

[Jordan]

Climate change isn't real. Fuck you. This is bullshit.

[Dan]

Like, trust the science. Come on, that's just troll shit. That's just baiting. That's just trying to get a cheap pop out of the audience about how they don't like Covid vaccines. Anyway, Trust the science. So look, New York lost a fair amount of whites. They're down. Tragedy down like 4 million gross.

[Jordan]

Whites. So many whites.

[Narrator/Analyst]

New York has lost about 4 million white people, even as it gained a million people in population. What is that now in some of these cities?

[Jordan]

Incoherent.

[Narrator/Analyst]

There are economic reasons for this. Right. A lot of African Americans moved up from the south to work at the auto plants in Detroit, to work at the harbor, at the shipyards, a steel plant in Baltimore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, but not all of it. And in New York City, almost all the demographic change is the result of immigration. And that began in 1965, which is definitely within living memory of a lot of people watching this right now. So that's another and very long way of saying the great Replacement is not only real, it's the realest thing there is, and it's provably true.

[Dan]

So Tucker's presented Census data from 1950 and more recent demographic estimates to illustrate that there was a higher percentage of white people in the six largest cities in the United States back then compared to now. He's then explained that economic motivators like the auto industry in Detroit and the ports in Baltimore attracted black laborers to come to the city. But then Tucker has just decided to assert that all of the shift in population in New York is because of Immigration.

[Jordan]

They never had any stuff to do.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's crazy. That New York would have, like, jobs.

[Dan]

That's like, what he's saying isn't true. And he's not even trying to justify his claim.

[Jordan]

That's bullshit.

[Dan]

Yeah, but it's been said. So now this is the case for the monologue that he's in. And even if we accept that, like, what he's saying, how is all of what he's presented so far supposed to show that the Great Replacement is the realest thing in the world? The Great Replacement requires intent on some shadowy group's part to replace white people with people from other places. It can't just be the natural flow of people drawn to the place that brands itself as the land of opportunity. Who has a big Statue of Liberty bragging about how we take in the world's needy?

[Jordan]

Yeah. That would be just evolution.

[Dan]

There's a leap that folks like Tucker need to make, and it's one that they're not quite ready to make, which is that they need to disown and attack some of America's primary myths. If they truly believe that there's a shadowy conspiracy meant to replace all white people, then they need to consider the Statue of Liberty as a giant part of that plot.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In order to achieve the state of affairs they want in the present, they need to tear down most of what was used to make us feel good about ourselves in the past and just lay bare that this country is a white identity colonial project. Like, they need to shut that shit down. Of Send me your. Your sick. You're. You're downtrodden.

[Jordan]

Apartheid or apart. No. Yeah. That's it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep.

[Dan]

And they're not ready to do that because they love Americana.

[Jordan]

I must be like, I try and imagine believing things like this, and I just don't. I. It feels like if somebody was walking around and, like, with a wand thrown out. Avada Kedavras. Assuming people are gonna die. Because it's like, none of this is real, man. Like, it's not real. It's not. It's pretend, man. You get the wand, doesn't do shit even in the world. It's probably the power inside of you. Like, get over yourself.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

What is happening?

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that that's one of the reasons that I ended up like, well, we should probably just do. This episode is, like. It's shocking.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's legitimately shocking. Yeah. I've listened to Tucker and he shocked me, you know, here and there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I listen to Alex and I like, this guy's a dumb asshole. This is like, sincerely crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. It is. It sounds insane.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It sounds like for you to believe this, there also has to be a serious psychological damage somewhere in your brain.

[Dan]

Yeah, he has to have brain damage from being attacked by that demon or something. Like, it's. It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And I wouldn't accept any kind of neurodivergence. I can only accept actual physical brain damage as an explanation for why you would say this out loud where other people can hear you.

[Dan]

Yeah, it has to be some acute event because, like, he was able to keep his shit together when he was on tv. For the most part, yeah.

[Jordan]

Crazy. Like Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Anyway, the politicians, they just sit around and think about, like, how are we going to change the demographics? They just sit. That's their primary concerns.

[Jordan]

They got weird problems.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Demographic change is a constant through history, and it is almost always mass demographic change, turnover, replacement, where, when almost always the result of human choice. Populations change because leaders decide they should change population demographics. The question of who lives within the borders of a country is not only a concern of. Of leaders of governments. It is the main concern. It's the main thing they think about. So the rest of us imagine that the government concerns itself with collecting taxes, schools, national defense, and those are all concerns, but we are thinking way too small. The people who run countries, who map out the future of civilizations think in much larger terms than the rest of us. This is not a guess, by the way. This is true. They think in terms of who lives here, what do they like, how many of them are there? And there are plenty of levers that they can move to change those numbers.

[Dan]

So it may be true that certain aspects of demographics are very important concerns for civic planners and politicians, but not in the way that Tucker means it. Whether or not the population can find housing is a matter of demographics, in the sense that there's a certain stock of housing they can either meet or fail to meet the number of people in a given area, whether or not the schools can accommodate all the children in a particular area, that's a matter of demographic concern. That matters a lot to leaders. But the question of whether or not there's enough white people around, that's less important to people who aren't really racist. Also, you can say that demographic change is always a choice, but not in the way that Tucker is saying. There aren't levers that shadowy elite, shadowy elites. That seems. That feels wrong.

[Jordan]

Shadowy elites.

[Dan]

There aren't levers that shadowy elites can pull to cause Demographic change. But there are definitely things that we can choose to do to stop it. If we just drive out the non white people that try to come to a town, then we've made a choice that resists demographic change. And when Tucker is saying that the elites have chosen to make the country less white, what he essentially means is that the government hasn't done that, that they haven't imposed laws and policies to ensure that America stays 80% white. And because they haven't, they've chosen to replace white people. Tucker needs to stop being a coward and just come out and say that he wants segregation.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, it's. It's getting tiresome.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, I've long toyed with this idea and it's. It's never. It's never able to come kind of clean or to any kind of fruition. But there is something in my head about people like Tucker and this kind of thought process that I do think has something to do with, like, listen, we genocided the fuck out of the people who were here before. That means it could happen to us. Always be aware. Always be aware. Never give an inch. Never let them have anything, because we'll kill you. So they'll probably kill us. That's somewhere in there.

[Dan]

Hold on to that thought. Tucker might literally say that.

[Jordan]

See, this is the problem. I can't come up with a theory because I don't live inside of it. Tucker is the theory.

[Dan]

That's coming up in 10.

[Jordan]

There we go. It all makes sense.

[Dan]

So anyway, there's like these levers. Yeah. For demographic change.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Like a slot machine or something. And like, you know, they're, you know, like birth control.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And there are plenty of levers that they can move to change those numbers. Obvious and not so obvious. War being the most obvious. Killing people. Unleashing pandemics on them. Obvious. Less obvious. Encouraging different ways of living. Encouraging birth control or abortion. Scrambling the genders. Encouraging women to work outside the home has one of the largest effects on demographics, of course, because women who work during childbearing years are much less likely to have lots of children. In fact, many won't have any children. And that has proven true over time across the world. We're excited to tell you about a new project from Amazon, MGM called Melania. For years, the people in charge have tried to tell you who she is.

[Dan]

Yeah, man. They're trying to tell you who she is. Seems like those levers are really just things that give people greater freedom and make them less easy to control. It's a cool Hat tip to the COVID bioweapon crowd there, though.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, that was nice.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Well done.

[Jordan]

That was nice.

[Dan]

I can't say how sad this Melania plug is. This is a real bummer. Amazon paid like $75 million to release that movie and no one wants it. No one wants a documentary about Melania.

[Jordan]

Why would you?

[Dan]

Who cares?

[Jordan]

Why would you?

[Dan]

Also, fun fact, it was directed by Brett Ratner, who hasn't worked since 2014 because six women came out and accused him of sexual assault.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Such an interesting choice for a director considering he's never done a documentary before. His fucking creep is directing a documentary about Melania while Trump is still in office and Tucker is just happily taking up Amazon ad money to do a commercial for it because he's a fucking clown.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is ridiculous.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think there would be a really interesting documentary to make about Melania insofar as, like, what is the psychology of a person willing to truly make a deal with the devil of this type? You know, like, there's no other way to describe the business relationship that is her and Donald Trump. Right. So there would be something really interesting there. I don't think Brett Ratner was going for that, though.

[Dan]

No, probably not.

[Jordan]

I suspect not.

[Dan]

I watched. I mean, because of this. I watched the trailer for it and I will say, I don't really. I don't know what's up with her.

[Jordan]

Probably not.

[Dan]

I had no idea.

[Jordan]

Why would you? Yeah, why would anybody want to.

[Dan]

It made me less. It made me. Okay, here's what it did.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It made me less sure of the picture that I had in my head.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it also made me less interested. And that's not good for a trailer for a documentary.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. Every time I think about her, I feel sad. She just seems like a sad, empty, soulless husk.

[Dan]

I also feel incurious.

[Jordan]

What is there inside a soulless, empty husk?

[Narrator/Analyst]

Nothing.

[Jordan]

It should just blow away in the wind.

[Dan]

So governments, you know, they try and get rid of white people and replace populations and stuff.

[Jordan]

When? Where? Who?

[Dan]

So many times. Okay, we'll get to that later.

[Jordan]

I'll take that.

[Dan]

So they do this for economic reasons, but it's also to conquer. Conquer the whites.

[Jordan]

Sounds true.

[Dan]

The Christians.

[Jordan]

Sounds true.

[Narrator/Analyst]

So why would governments do this? Well, that's kind of the more complex question. They do it. They've always done it. They would do it for a couple of reasons. One, to meet a short term economic goal or even a long term, economical short term might be who's going to pick the Grapes in California. Oh, better get some Mexicans. Understandable. Most people are familiar.

[Jordan]

Understandable.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Others might be longer term adjustments to changes that no one can really control, like AI. Oh, wait a second. We're not going to need as many people here because machines are going to do a lot of the work. How are we going to support these people? That might be another reason. And of course there might be darker motives or more basic motives, like the innate human desire to conquer other people. To replace your group with my group. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's the entire story of history. Mass movements of people by force has been a constant since the Babylonian captivity and probably before unrecorded. That is the story of history and it's all around us, but we don't even notice. The history of Ireland is that story. Ireland, which is an island near England, was after Henry viii, Catholic. England was Protestant. The English took over Ireland. Ireland, it was their colony. And in order to make it more compliant and to control the people there and to impose their culture on a foreign people's, they moved many thousands of foreigners into Ireland. There were the Anglo Irish or Brits who moved to Ireland. That was the ruling class of the country. There were the Scots Irish who removed from Scotland into Ireland. And in so doing, a Protestant region of the country was created called Ulster. It's still there. It's still at least half Protestant.

[Dan]

So there's a fundamental delusion that the west has been in, which is now becoming totally clear. It's a delusion that I grew up believing. And a lot of these folks, like Tucker, all used to pretend that they believed it too. That delusion is that we learned from the past. I grew up believing that we could look back at things like colonialism and the Crusades and we could see horribly misguided people trying to solve problems the wrong way. We had the gift of hindsight and we knew that the world wasn't perfect, but creating a better future meant leaving that kind of shit behind. When I listen to Tucker ramble about Henry VIII and stuff that happened 500 years ago, it sounds insane. Like he's trying to argue that this is the way things have always been and always will be. Like, and it just. I don't know what to do with it.

[Jordan]

I mean, it is. It is always a fascinating thing to me because so many, like, you know, Tucker's Tucker is an obvious white nationalist and stuff, but there are so many books written by people who are very enamored with their own intelligence. But when you get down to it, it's like, oh, you only know white people. You only know white history. You only know European history. You only know that is what you think humanity is. And it never occurs to them that that is not even close to the case. And that's not even the most, what, the highest percentage or ratio or whatever you want.

[Dan]

They're super into like, I don't know, Muslim. Whenever they have to say that, you know, white people were the only. Weren't the only ones doing slaves.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

You know, they're really into broader world history.

[Jordan]

Tell me about fucking dynasties in China. Tell me about fucking the Pacific Islanders traveling before we even had boats that could travel that far, inventing shit like that. Tell me about all of that stuff. No, it's just white people who fucking lived between 1500 and now.

[Dan]

Yeah. And since the 50s we have in America, apparently we have refused to be vicious enough in protecting our majority states or something.

[Jordan]

It makes sense. It does.

[Dan]

Fucking nuts.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So anyway, Tucker does not like, you know, Black Lives Matter or like Pride because he thinks that those are the elites trying to shove the conquering that they've done in his face.

[Jordan]

That sounds true.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Not only did they move all kinds of foreigners into Ireland to change the demographic mix to effect a great replacement, they began to change the national monuments. Oh, that's weird. Have you seen that before? St Patrick's Cathedral in the middle of Dublin. Gotta be one of the biggest Catholic shrines in Ireland. They made it Anglican. No longer Catholic, it's Anglican now. Jonathan Swift preached there. Actually an Anglo Irishman, and so did many others. But in the center of this Catholic country, the colonial power moved non indigenous people in in order to make the case this is ours now. And you see that everywhere when the street across from the White House gets repainted in Black Lives Matter colors. It's kind of a species of that. Right. When the Confederate statues are torn down in Richmond and New Orleans, is it really an effort to improve the lives of local black people? No, of course it didn't work. Didn't have any effect. No. It was a matter of cultural imperialism. We run this now. Down with your monuments, up with ours. It's Pride Week. It is the most recognizable pattern.

[Jordan]

Got it.

[Narrator/Analyst]

In history. It's one people conquering another. It's what the Mongols did.

[Dan]

So the underlying assumption here that Tucker knows he doesn't even have to speak is that there are people who are being conquered by Black Lives Matter and Pride Week. They're straight white men. He doesn't even have to say that. It's Just under.

[Jordan]

No. Everybody knows that we're under attack.

[Dan]

Obviously, they are the indigenous population of the United States. And the shadowy group that's totally not the Jews. He didn't say that. And I can't believe I. I would suggest he did. Are celebrating the conquer of white men by waving all this diversity around in his face.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is dramatic loser shit. And it just sounds nuts.

[Jordan]

It is. It is the description of a Dungeons and Dragons game. Like, if somebody was explaining, like, oh, okay, so you got a role to get a six here. Otherwise this group of people is going to attack you. And I'm just going like, that's fine. I'm sure that this makes sense wherever you're from, but out here, you have to live with us, man. You can't just live in there.

[Dan]

Yeah, you can't. And hey, sure, you know what, taking down Confederate statues, certainly, maybe it didn't do enough to materially help people's lives.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

You know, like, people. What. What is keeping them up, doing?

[Jordan]

I mean, what. What is. What is fascinating about that is the underlying understanding that statues are. Are political. Like, they are not anything to be about what happened, and they're everything about what you want to be.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know, so. So there is an element of, like, hey, you know why you're keeping up all those Confederate statues?

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, in order to make this argument, Tucker has to shed the naivete he should need in order to defend.

[Jordan]

It's just American history. It's about. It's about our history. It's not about, you know, we're just. We're celebrating Robert E. Lee because he was such a great strategist. That's what we care about. It's definitely not. We want to own people.

[Dan]

So he's like. I would say, like, deeply all in on this replacement stuff. Sure.

[Narrator/Analyst]

But it's also real, and it's happened throughout history, one people conquering another. And these are decisions not. Not made organically. Not like millions of people get together and decide, let's change the demographics of a continent, a region. Let's destroy a people. These are decisions made by leaders each and every single time. China takes Tibet, what's the first thing to do? Move Han Chinese into Tibet. Why do they do that? Well, to subjugate, to make a point. Aris's superior culture to yours, but also to control. Once again, this is not a conspiracy theory. This is the story of recorded history. And it's a story of the present day, obviously. And only a country completely divorced from history, from human nature, from Reality itself could ever fall for.

[Dan]

Ooh.

[Narrator/Analyst]

It's a debunked far right white nationalist conspiracy theory, really. No, it's not. It's just the opposite. It's the realest thing that ever happened.

[Dan]

So Tucker believes that there's a plan being carried out by a shadowy group of elites who are making choices to conquer the white man and replace him with foreigners. And that's not a conspiracy theory. That's the realest thing ever.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep.

[Dan]

So why isn't he calling for murder of every person involved in carrying this plan out?

[Guest 2]

Hmm.

[Dan]

I don't mean that flippantly or say it to be an asshole. If what he's saying is true, then there's no compelling moral argument against fighting back by any means necessary.

[Jordan]

The only. The only thing you can do is destroy your enemy.

[Dan]

Yeah. That is an existential matter view at that point.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. There is no choice. It is. It is life or death. So either you're strongly implying go murder these people, or you're a big coward trying to jangle keys away from people looking at what's very obviously a murder.

[Dan]

Yeah. So you can go sell tickets to the Melania documentary.

[Jordan]

Oh, fucking hell.

[Dan]

At Amazon.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, like.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I just think that there's, like. Okay, great. You believe this dumb shit and you're preaching it.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep.

[Dan]

Don't fucking tell me you want to arrest Soros. Get, you know, shut the fuck up.

[Jordan]

What kind of trial.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What kind of trial would you even imagine being worth having if you think that he is secretly replacing white people everywhere?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

First off, you can't have a trial because he could secretly stack it. You don't know he's connected to. You don't know who's. Yeah, exactly. You have to independently murder this man because he is killing everyone. That is your only option. Yeah.

[Dan]

Because he legitimately runs the world.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And. Yeah. Systems impossible to hold him accountable.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Trump controls all of the power in the United States now, and it's. He's not been arrested.

[Jordan]

And you have centered it on one man. And I don't know if you know this about one man, but he is eminently killable. That dude is so killable.

[Dan]

He's so old.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He's the old. You could knock him over. Like, what even. Why even bother staging a suicide? You could trip him and he'd be dead.

[Dan]

Yeah. So what I'm saying is that, like, Tucker would be more compelling and make more sense if he was, like, just saying he should be going on a jihad. Yeah. So look, the goal here.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is to get non white people into the country.

[Jordan]

That sounds true.

[Dan]

And send them around places so they can control all the votes.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Mandate Palestine, what's now Israel was about 80% Arab. The next year was what, like 32% Arab the next year after the War of independence in 1948. I'm not attacking anyone at all, but the point is, Israel was a majority Jewish country on day one. That was the whole point.

[Jordan]

It worked great.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Everybody, we're here. Now you're gone.

[Jordan]

Homogenous nationalism is a win.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Not casting aspersions, just saying none. All wars are, in effect, that. They're all that way. Every one of them.

[Jordan]

Okay?

[Narrator/Analyst]

Including the one that we're living through. That is undeclared, that no one will admit is happening because it's a conspiracy theory, but it's the realest thing that ever happened. So then we get to the question, motive. Like, why is this happening? Why would you do that? Why would you want to do that? Keeping labor costly and erase them. Well, the most obvious motive would be power. And that's usually the motive or one of the motives. And in this country, it's really clear that one of the reasons this is happening is because the Democratic Party and their overlords, who are not. Not partisan, they're just the biggest shareholders in the country, in the country, would like to have unconfected power. And so if you let in tens of millions of immigrants, illegal aliens over 60 years, you're probably going to reach a point where they just openly participate in the political system where they get a vote. Vote, thereby diluting replacing the voters who don't vote for you. This is clearly the plan. It's always been the plan. Part of the plan. And Stacey Abrams, who was a perennial candidate in Georgia and somehow very famous, not exactly clear why, but had one sort of unique talent. She was dumb enough to say this out loud. Here's Stacey Abrams in 2018.

[Jordan]

The blue wave is African American. It's white, it's Latino, it's Asian Pacific Islander. It is disabled. It is differently abled. It is lgbtq. It is law enforcement. It is veterans. It is made up of those who've been told that they are not worthy of being here. It is comprised of those who are documented and undocumented.

[Narrator/Analyst]

She's rolling. She's trying to remember who's in the coalition. The abled, the. What do we call them? Crippled. No, no, no.

[Jordan]

Differently abled.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Differently able. She's like going through the litany. White, black, Latino, Pacific Islander, people from Fiji, the gays. Sorry, LBGTPQ questioning. Whatever.

[Jordan]

The documented, the undocumented.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Oh, wait a second. Stacy Abrams, did you just say that illegal alie are going to vote in elections? Federal elections. I think that's against the law. No, whatever. You can't stop her at Stacey Abrams, no one, no one has the brass to tell her to slow down. Hate to brag, but we're pretty confident this show is the most vehemently pro dog podcast you're ever going to see. We can take or leave some people, but dogs are non negotiable. They are the best.

[Dan]

Yeah, no shit. You can take or leave some people, you asshole.

[Jordan]

Wild.

[Dan]

So Stacey Abrams wasn't saying that undocumented folk were going to vote in federal elections, just that they were part of the community of people who made up the blue wave or the backlash to the 2016 election. Everyone knows that there are just gonna be some undocumented people living in the country and they're part of our communities. Abrams had a position that a responsible government also cares about them, whereas Tucker's side has fully embraced the idea that the government's role is to carry out an internal military action to remove them. You can see in that clip too, Tucker's attempt at riffing and sounding funny. Funny? He's uncreative and angry. So all he can really muster up when he's trying to be funny is repeating right wing talking points about politically correct terms they feel like everyone is forcing them to use. He's in the middle of an episode defending ethnic cleansing in the United States and he's out here whining about how some people say differently abled. Yeah, it's like straight up loser behavior.

[Jordan]

No, I honestly, sometimes I find it almost refreshing to hear slurs again just like, well, at least I don't have to deal with you anymore. Slur. Good. You say that that keeps you away from me because I can't get anywhere near you. This is disgusting. Fuck off.

[Dan]

Yeah, no, it's. It's shameful.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So earlier Tucker discussed how there were, you know, these top six cities population wise, in the United States. Yeah, they were really white before.

[Guest 1]

Sure.

[Dan]

How are they doing now? What's going on? Maybe they're trying to send all the non whites in there to vote.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Now one very obvious point that lingers in the air, you don't even want to address it, cuz it's so depressing is how are those six cities we mentioned at the outset doing today in 2026? The six biggest cities in the country in 1950? Again, it was New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore. I mean, they're nice places in some of those cities. Some of them are just slums actually. And there are complicated reasons why manufacturing died. Some of those are big manufacturing hubs. Of course, immigration is not the only reason. Nothing is ever the only reason. But all of those cities were completely changed by immigration and they all got way worse. Much worse. Like much, much worse. Philadelphia, really. Baltimore, Detroit. So it didn't help. And in some places like Los Angeles, it just destroyed the city completely and destroyed the state. Completely destroyed the state. You want to know what's wrong with California? Too much immigration. It was an amazing state in 1980. I remember it well. I'm sure you wouldn't want to live there now.

[Jordan]

No, it's terrible because the governor is.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Like a white liberal. You sort of forget that the people live in California look nothing like the people who lived there in 1980 at all when it was the least corrupt and most functional state with the.

[Jordan]

They were all Iranian back then.

[Narrator/Analyst]

That was more poverty than any state. It's got more immigrants than any state. There's just a one to one. So. And it's not an attack on the immigrants at all. Many of whom are, yes, it is hardworking and nice. Some of whom are not hardworking or nice, but a lot of them are Latin. Immigrants tend to be pretty great when you know them, enthusiastic participants in the economy. Economy. But taken as a whole, immigration totally destroyed California. Just flat out. No other factor, meaningful factor. That's the single biggest factor in the destroyed.

[Jordan]

Can't think of any meaningful factors beyond that didn't happen.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Oh, but it did happen. And one of the effects was, as noted, it gave Democrats complete control over the state. Complete. It's a one party state, period. And you often run into Republicans from Santa Barbara or Orange county or up near Mount Shasta from Reading, you know, and they're as conservative as anybody who's ever, ever met in your life. There's some real right wingers in California, but they have no say in anything because they control nothing.

[Jordan]

Well, except the water.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Literally that simple. So it works. And that model will be repeated unless someone puts the brakes on immediately across the country. So there are 14 states plus DC as of tonight that have no voter ID laws. And in some places because you're not allowed to ask for voter ID just flat out. But in 14 states you need no identification in order to vote. Why is that? Well, so illegals can vote. It's literally that simple. It's not more complicated than that. So illegals can vote. And that means you have no power if you're a native born American, if you're an actual citizen of the country, because your vote is being canceled. And in places like California, completely overwhelmed by people who aren't from here who have no right to vote, but they're voting anyway.

[Dan]

So this video and the argument that Tucker is making is a very clear example of him trying to manufacture consent among his audience for ice, killing anyone they want and operating in any way they please in order to achieve the goal of stopping what he feels is white replacement. The points he's making are dumb. The data that he's using is flagrantly misinterpreted, and the connections between ideas he's connecting are thin at best. This is the case because Tucker's arguing a point solely based on the need to defend the conclusion instead of building from the premises. Simply put, this is not a person saying that undocumented immigrants are voting, therefore ICE's actions are justified. It's a person who believes that ICE's actions are justified. So to defend that belief, he's decided to pretend that undocumented immigrants are determining all of our elections. It's not surprising that Tucker is playing this kind of game, because this is the school of media he comes from. He's always had his talking points given to him, and the spin that he's supposed to put on a story in order to serve the powerful interests that pay him. He was doing it when I was in college during the Iraq war, and he's doing it now. He's just changed his branding a little bit and made a lot of this racist shit way more explicit. Yeah, it's fucking insane.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, you could say that. It's a gigantic worldwide competition between a small group of people who are obsessed with hoarding resources and everything that fucks the rest of us overflows directly from whatever they need to do to protect that competition from anybody else being involved. Or. Or admittedly, it could be people who are very nice when you get to know them.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Very nice when you get to know them. Now you have to admit, statistically, they all need to be lit on fire.

[Dan]

Now, I would like to join you in your fight against the elites, and I will.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Sure.

[Dan]

But I'm gonna have to meet up with you later because I have to record an ad for Amazon's new Melania documentary.

[Jordan]

It is difficult to fight the Oligos.

[Dan]

But also check shadowy elite elites. Check out this.

[Jordan]

Those are the shadowy elites. These are the elites that you make Documentaries about. You can't be a shadowy elite if there's a documentary about you.

[Dan]

That's true.

[Jordan]

That's why Alex made all those documentaries about normal elites.

[Dan]

Like people doing DUI checkpoints. Fucking elites.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ, man. The stakes used to be so low.

[Dan]

Roads. Anyway. We're talking voter ID a little bit.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Some states don't have it. Why?

[Jordan]

I mean, because human beings are all human beings equal. There's no. All of this is imaginary. States shouldn't exist. There's no such thing as a border. None of this is real. Race is not even real. We're all one thing. We're all just fucking bull. Fuck all of you. Could be that.

[Dan]

So close to superpowers.

[Jordan]

Could be that.

[Dan]

Could feel it. Could be that.

[Jordan]

It could be.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And what's interesting is that of the 14 states with no voter ID law.

[Dan]

Law.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Three are in the top five biggest states by population. Three out of our top five biggest states have no voter ID law. That's enough to make those states Democrat. By the way, for the record, those would be California, number one in all categories. Illinois and Pennsylvania have no voter id. So that's enough to swing a presidential election. Election. Sorry, it is. And there's no way to stop it. Unless you were to ban and then enforce voting with no id. You'd have to enforce it.

[Dan]

You know what else is crazy? 5 out of the 5 most populous states in the United States, they don't have grandfather clauses in their voting laws. It's fucking nuts.

[Jordan]

That is crazy.

[Dan]

Can you believe that five out of five of the most like highest population states, they don't enforce a poll tax?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Can you fucking believe that?

[Jordan]

But can you vote if you are not a landowner in these places?

[Dan]

Five out of five?

[Jordan]

Never. We're going back to 1950, when I think we can all agree things were better.

[Dan]

What about women?

[Jordan]

Which. Which one?

[Dan]

So obviously Tucker is just interested in voter intimidation and suppressing people's right to vote. And I don't care to argue that. But I want to draw some attention to a couple glaring holes in his argument. 3 out of the 5 most populous states in the country not requiring ID to vote doesn't imply causation. Tucker is trying to imply that these more populated states don't require ID to vote and that's why they have higher populations. But that's not based on anything other than racist vibes. There are 14 states that don't require ID to vote, which means there's 36 that do require some kind of ID. But Tucker needs to take into account when these states voted on putting in voter ID laws. When did that happen?

[Jordan]

Interesting.

[Dan]

If his argument has any merit, then you would expect that the voter ID laws, you know, they're passed. Then populations would flow from places with new laws into states that didn't have these laws.

[Jordan]

Right, exactly.

[Dan]

That's how this would have to work.

[Jordan]

That would have to be the case.

[Dan]

A very simple counterexample to that is Texas's population has been increasing and they have voter ID laws.

[Jordan]

What? But how?

[Dan]

Whereas California's population has been decreasing and they don't.

[Jordan]

Well, at least we know that there are no non white people in Texas.

[Dan]

The opposite of this dynamic should be true if what Tucker is saying is going on. Also, one of those states without voter ID laws that Tucker listed Pennsylvania went for in 2016 and 2020.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Right.

[Jordan]

Like, what are we talking about?

[Dan]

How would that be? How would that be possible if they could just have as many illegal voters as they is. Fucking stupid. Shit.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, that's. This is, this goes back to your, your point earlier of like, I thought that the past we, we would be like, aha, that's back there. Now we can see it. So we won't do that again. But then it's like, man, have you, hey, think about all the laws we've had around voting. Think about all the ideas you have for laws about voting. Are they exactly like the ones we've already tried that didn't work?

[Dan]

So been deeply studied.

[Jordan]

Yeah. By a lot of people about how fucking racist they were. Simply by asking for one of those rules, you are being a racist.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That is the definition of I would like to choose things based on race.

[Dan]

Well, at very least what you're doing is harkening back to a piece of a racist system.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That didn't work. We got rid of. And you're like, hey, let's try that again. That's basically what you're doing.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

And that is in and of itself racist.

[Jordan]

Which is. Yeah. Which is fine. Again, if you're like, hey, let's do this thing. Why? Because people like me were really, really treated well back then. We got a first seat at every fucking restaurant we wanted to go to, to all that bullshit. It's like, that's, that's what you want.

[Dan]

Now again, there might be something in a future clip.

[Jordan]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

Now it's. He doesn't say exactly that, but he says about that. Yeah, it feels similar.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Dan]

So all of this, you know, Tucker's presenting a lot of information. He's telling us a lot of feelings.

[Jordan]

He trusts the science.

[Dan]

He does.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think it leads us to just one, an inescapable conclusion, and that is they. Who's they? I don't know. Well, they hate whites.

[Narrator/Analyst]

But the second motive here, which is inescapable and it's almost. It is uncomfortable to talk about, but it is the subtext behind a lot of this is racial triumphalism, is hatred, is loathing for the people being replaced, which doesn't make intuitive sense. Why would you be mad at people you're replacing? Well, it's not clear. There are obviously spiritual components here too, which probably no mortal understands. But the. They're real. They're evident. What is this? Why would you do that? Why would you make. Would you totally change the population of Australia, New Zealand? Why would you totally change Canada, Great Britain? Every English speaking white country is becoming non white.

[Dan]

So Tucker is anything but uncomfortable saying this. I get that he's dressing this up in his dumbass TV show host voice and he's trying to sound so sensitive and rational, but he is legitimately saying that there's a demonic force that's trying to wipe out white people.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Just 10 years ago this would have rightly been understood to be racist garbage that belongs in the fringiest of society's fringes. But now it's just normal.

[Jordan]

Yeah. We used to laugh about people on 4chan saying shit like that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And that was 4chan.

[Dan]

And before that it would be like a newsletter that your fucking excommunicated uncle would maybe have stashed.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. A chain email or some shit like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Also, if he's playing these games and he probably shouldn't talk about demographic changes in places like Australia, New Zealand and Canada being evil trouble down that road if he teases that threat a little too far. Yeah, real shit.

[Jordan]

I, you know, it is, it is fucking infuriating to me how many stupid fucking little privileges just being white gets you that these people ignore. Like, that is fucking crazy. There shouldn't be any of them. There should be no, like, oh, thank God your skin color is blank. Like that shouldn't exist at all. There should be none. Not even like one. Like, oh, well, this one's good. But. And yet somehow they're like, ah, I still need more. I still need more. I need to be standing. I need to. I don't want chairs. I want a poor person to sit on top of.

[Dan]

And it's just weird. I think that there's something very, very strange about how angry that kind a conversation makes someone like Tucker.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because I just think he's incapable of hearing that kind of a point and understanding where someone's coming from.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

With it. That, to me, is the problem. You know, like, we live in the world that we live in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Decisions were made in the past that can't be changed in the here and now.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But you can decide how you respond to the world that we live in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's just incapable of. Of hearing anyone and just gets mad.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Mad.

[Dan]

It's insane.

[Jordan]

It is. It is. It is deliberately obtuse because that's what you get to be if you're a oligarch.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's deliberately obtuse, but it's also a little insane.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

It's both.

[Jordan]

I think you have to be insane to want to have as much money as those people have. Like, there's. It's the same thing as, like, if you have too many newspapers, it's the same thing as if you have too much money. It's a weird hoarder mentality. It's insane.

[Dan]

Yeah, That's a piece of it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So earlier you were talking about how, you know, you got to hold on to that majority because bad shit's coming.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

I told you that. It gets a little bit overt.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Here's where that starts.

[Narrator/Analyst]

So why would you do that and what happens when you do that? Well, it's interesting. And this is a feature of human nature, and it's not just white, black, Hispanic. It's probably all races. But this is just true. Former majorities don't get treated well. But you really can't think of a case where a people has gone from majority to minority and then was treated well. Just kind of hasn't happened. Including in this country, by the way, the American Indians not treated well.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah? By whom?

[Narrator/Analyst]

Started off to Oklahoma. Had to walk, actually. No carts. What happened to the white minority in Zimbabwe? They voluntarily relinquished power. Then they were killed.

[Dan]

Oh, man. This is incredibly honest, and it gets to the heart of Tucker's feelings.

[Jordan]

Wow, that's just the truest stuff I've ever heard.

[Dan]

We've come a long way from pretending to care about communism, and now we're getting to the point. Tucker is working off two very racist presuppositions, one based on something real and one based on a fantasy. The one that's based on something real is that Tucker believes that the white majority of the population has historically acted in ways that deserve payback. The history of reservations Slavery and internment are ugly things that white people in power enacted on people who had less power. And they are historically inexcusable. The one that's based on a fantasy is that Tucker believes that all people who aren't white are unable to exist in society without compulsively needing to get that payback. If native people got enough power, they'd put white people on reservations just out of spite. If enough black people got into office, they'd enslave white people just to get easy. Tucker believes this of non white people because in his mind, we're still in the days of colonialism and slavery. It's just not been cool to say that since about 1950.

[Guest 1]

Yep.

[Dan]

This has always been central to the extreme right wing ideology. They're terrified of what non white people would do in positions of power because they know that they want to use their positions of power to oppress non white people.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep.

[Dan]

This is all very pathetic. And I think when I was a kid, this kind of shit would be mocked off the air and some punk with a Mohawk would. Would kick the shit out of Tucker in a parking lot.

[Jordan]

It would be nice, but at the.

[Dan]

Same time, there's some sincerity to it. And I guess that's better than not.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, it is.

[Dan]

Also small point, but the apartheid state of Rhodesia did not give up power willingly.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, they were, they were so nice about it. They were polite about it. They were like, whoopsie, sorry we took over your land and murdered all of you.

[Dan]

How many white people does Tucker think there were in the country at the height of that apartheid government?

[Jordan]

I wonder what the census was. 94% white, right? Like probably.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In 1965, Ian Smith and his government unilaterally declared themselves in charge of the country, which was never recognized by the international community. The government was run fully by white people, though they made up about 5% of the population, which led to a 15 year civil war that resulted in Zimbabwe. White people were never a majority in Rhodesia. So when Zimbabwe was founded, they weren't a former majority. Tucker understands this and he's giving up the game a little bit there. Yeah, they weren't a former majority. They formerly held all of the power in an apartheid white nationalist government.

[Jordan]

What are you trying to say?

[Dan]

That's what.

[Jordan]

How are those different?

[Dan]

But that's what he means. Well, I mean, because that's what he's talking about.

[Jordan]

They sound different.

[Dan]

Yeah. When he talks about how he's worried about, you know, the United States becoming a minority white country, what he's saying is, I don't. I don't want to relinquish all the power that I have.

[Jordan]

I. You know, here's the thing that I don't get about the people who like Tucker, because presumably, what I understand them to be hearing, Right. Is Tucker saying white people are better. Right. Uh, and the way we know we're better is because when we murdered everybody, we stopped. And now if we allow other people to have power, they'll murder all of us and they'll just never stop because they're all fucking chaotic monsters. Busters. Right. But at no point in time does the person listening to Tucker go, like, if you are painting with a broad brush based on skin color, then you are currently doing the same thing to me as well. I am not a person to Tucker. I am a skin color, which means I am something to be used demographically to get what he wants.

[Dan]

Yeah, but you're good because.

[Jordan]

Because it. Because race isn't real, man. It's not real.

[Dan]

Yeah. When you're saying, like, imagining being someone who listens to Tucker.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I wonder if he's, like, severely dropping off. I think that maybe getting into the, like, the shit with Nick, I think that might be backfiring on him. Because if you want to listen to shit like this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's other people who can do it. Yeah. And Tucker is. Elevated them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Why would you listen to this?

[Jordan]

I mean, it's not fun. No. And you don't even get, like, what was it? I think I saw something that somebody posted about Media Matters who listened to Nick Fuentes his broadcast and. And, like, wrote a little something. Can you believe Nick Fuentes said this? A fucking idiot. Fucking waste More of our lives with can you believe. But Nick Fuentes said some bullshit shit, and then Media Matters talked about it. That's fun.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's like, epstein was cool.

[Jordan]

Exactly. That's fun. Of course that's fun.

[Dan]

That gives you a little charge. You feel transgressive.

[Jordan]

Ooh, Media Matters. Those dumb fucks are not understanding for the millionth fucking time. Can't believe.

[Dan]

Or even, like, you know, I think Alex's show has dropped considerably in quality, but there's still, like, he's still funny.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Like, there's no value to Tucker's show outside of what I could see, which is, like, old people who watched him on Fox who don't want to go to the Young Nazi now.

[Jordan]

They don't get it.

[Dan]

But, like, those people have got to be dead. And it's not A growing audience.

[Jordan]

It can't possibly be.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think he's dead in the water in a lot of ways. And that's why you're seeing this kind of shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it does. This does track with clinging to the last vestige of what you have is your demographic is dead.

[Dan]

Being just willing to openly be like, hey, if we become a minority, we're going to get killed. It's a little fucking silly.

[Jordan]

It's insane. Yeah, it is so insane.

[Dan]

Yep. But it is what he believes. And he goes on.

[Narrator/Analyst]

South Africa, they're in the process of being killed. They voluntarily, once again, voluntarily relinquish power. They had nuclear weapons in 1994. Give up the nuclear weapons. Weapons gave up power, went to majority rule system. It was a peaceful transition to clerk and Mandela. You remember the scenes where were they.

[Jordan]

Keeping Mandela up until this point peacefully? Were they keeping him peacefully somewhere nice?

[Narrator/Analyst]

The people formerly in power began very, very quickly. How did it wind up for the Palestinians? As noted, they were 80% of Israel in 1947, 30% in 1948. How's it gone for. For them since? Not well. A lot have been killed, and it's complicated. They did bad things, too, by the way, the Indians scalped a lot of people. And apartheid was bad. I mean, there are lots of lenses through which you could view this, but if you stand back, former majorities who become minorities tend to be killed. You hope that's not true, but it seems to be.

[Dan]

Tucker's trying to hide the football here a little bit.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

His entire argument is about why it's important that we don't allow white people to become a minority in the United States. Which is why it's okay that Trump and ICE are acting flagrantly, unconstitutionally. Yeah, but he says his examples are a mess. And they aren't actually examples of changing demographics. They're about apartheid.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Rhodesia and South Africa weren't majority white countries that allowed black people to come in and change the demographics to the point where they became a minority. They were governments that came out of colonial projects that were based on all the state power being held by a minority. And that system came to an end. Yeah, they weren't white majority countries. They were countries where white people had all the power. If you understand what Tucker's saying correctly, this isn't about demographics at all. It's about white nationalist power structures and how that's what he wants to maintain. Yeah, that's like he's even lying about caring about demographics.

[Jordan]

No, I mean, it's crazy. Crazy. It is crazy. It's. It is like whatever it is he's saying is equivalent to being like, no, I really think Britain did a great job with the whole India, Pakistan thing. I think they nailed it. I mean, you may see some problems in the present, but think about what it could have been.

[Dan]

There's a lot of lenses, A lot of lenses. A lot of ways you can let it peek from over here.

[Jordan]

And what, what a. The idea of anybody having any positive opinions about, about apartheid South Africa or especially Rhodesia is like, okay, you've given up the game. Come on, man.

[Dan]

Quite come on. Especially if you're trying to be like, hey, they were super chill.

[Jordan]

They get. I think, I think you should be.

[Dan]

Able to gave up power.

[Jordan]

I think you should be able to hit black people in the streets for 30 years whenever the you wanted, for whatever reason. And then whenever the world finally went, hey, seriously, we have to either get rid of you or kill you. They voluntarily were like, okay, we'll try not to be killed. That's it.

[Dan]

It's kind of gracious and quite frankly, a mistake that the whites made, obviously.

[Jordan]

Obviously.

[Dan]

Holy shit.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So anyway, Tucker's mad at other whites too, though, because thank God, somebody needs to be because they're not cool like him.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And it's especially distressing when you look at the attitude of people in the United States who are pushing for mass demographic change and just to put a tighter focus on it, people who are pushing for an end to the white majority. Oh, it's white supremacist to say that. No, it's not. It's an acknowledgement of reality. And by the way, if you're looking for hatred and not a lot of white supremacists, well, even visible in public, where are all these white supremacists we keep hearing about? But the people who are concerned about total demographic change don't seem like the hateful ones. It's people espousing it who have a weird gleam in their eye and a detectable loathing in their voice. And very often, and this may be the darkest feature of it, it's not just hatred hatred, it's self hatred. And keep in mind that anyone who will hate himself will have no problem at all hating and hurting you.

[Dan]

Tucker has now moved on to the part of his screed where he laments the race traitors among the white ranks. How insidious they are.

[Jordan]

I was. I was feeling very race traitory during that. That fucking. I remember a few years ago, whenever I called people I was like, they're calling him a race traitor. And people were like, hey, let's not go that far. Fuck you all. All of you. Fuck all of you.

[Dan]

We just. We hadn't gotten to the point where, you know, that was apparently cool for Tucker to complain about.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So there's an irony here and that this is messaging. It's legitimately no different than the stuff you'd see on Nazi message boards and newsletters 20 years ago. It's just a little more politically correct. He can complain about political correctness until he's out of breath, but the truth is, is that Tucker's the one who's still trying to mask his shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

With some smooth language. Just come out and chant the 14 words, you coward.

[Jordan]

Jesus.

[Dan]

Like, what are you doing? This is. This is.

[Jordan]

You know what I've realized? I've realized that we may have run into a serious problem with the superpowers.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[Jordan]

Because Nightcrawler can only teleport to what he can see. Right. Isn't that the whole thing?

[Dan]

I guess.

[Jordan]

Or something along those lines.

[Dan]

I don't remember.

[Jordan]

Like, if my powers teleportation, I can't see Tucker Carlson. So I couldn't teleport to there to solve the problem.

[Dan]

But you could in a series of teleportations.

[Jordan]

That's what I need to find out. I need to find out if I. But here's the problem. We're also recording high up in the air. If I teleport now, we could be gone.

[Guest 1]

Boo.

[Dan]

Boo.

[Guest 1]

Boo.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Hear me out, okay? You see a plane in the sky? Teleport into it.

[Jordan]

Can you. I wonder if.

[Dan]

Catch a ride.

[Jordan]

What's Nightcrawler's rage? Have we ever. Have we ever established that?

[Dan]

No, we haven't.

[Jordan]

Can he.

[Dan]

I don't.

[Guest 1]

Know.

[Dan]

When you said we got to talk about the superpowers and we have a problem with the supers, I thought you were talking about Hulk Hogan and Macho Man. Randy Savage.

[Jordan]

No, no, I was not talking about the. Those two guys.

[Dan]

I think you could teleport to Tucker. I hope. I believe in you.

[Jordan]

That's a lot. That's several. That's almost 2,000 miles, man. Maine's a long way away.

[Dan]

Yeah, well, it's true. And he's never coming here.

[Jordan]

No, he is not. And it would be a wise choice.

[Dan]

I think so. I mean. Oh, hey, when I was in Pennsylvania at his show.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I could see him. I could have teleported on stage.

[Jordan]

See this? I told you I couldn't go. I can't go. Because there would be problems.

[Dan]

There's a chance.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep.

[Dan]

So these race traders. Let's talk about one of them.

[Jordan]

Let's talk about what's. What's race trader number one. Because, I mean, obviously we're going to be ranking them sooner or later.

[Guest 2]

Later.

[Dan]

Who do you think? And I'll give you a clue.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

It's a lady.

[Jordan]

All right. I was 100% sure it was a lady. Yeah, you didn't need to. Did not need to add that part.

[Dan]

Do you want to. Should I give you another?

[Jordan]

I mean, I don't. Here's the problem.

[Dan]

It feels.

[Jordan]

It feels like Pelosi and boom, baby. It is not. She's dead. Or close enough.

[Dan]

No, that's fine.

[Jordan]

Oh, whichever one. Yeah, whatever.

[Dan]

She's retired, though.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

But, yeah, she's. She's number one.

[Jordan]

I'm just glad she can't hurt me anymore, let alone the rest of the world.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Here's Nancy Pelosi a few years ago. Keep in mind, she was the speaker of the House, third in line to the presidency. And this is part of a speech she gave on the House floor about demographic change. Watch this.

[Dan]

I'm reminded of my own grandson. He's Irish. English.

[Jordan]

English, whatever, whatever.

[Dan]

And Italian American. He's the mix, but he looks more like the other side of the family, shall we say? And when he had his sixth birthday, he had a very close friend whose name is Antonio, who's from Guatemala. And he has beautiful tan skin, beautiful brown eyes, and the rest. And this was such a proud day for me because when my grandson blew out the candles on his cake, they said, did you make a wish? And he said, yes, I made a wish. He said, well, what is your wish? He said, I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio. So beautiful. So beautiful. The beauty is in the mix. The face of the future for our country is all American.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And.

[Dan]

And that has many versions.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Imagine saying that, kill her.

[Jordan]

Kill her.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Hasn't thought this through, but this is her own grandson. And he turns to her and says, grandma, I wish I wasn't born white. I wish I was born with different eye color, different skin tone. That's just a wish. It was something that I'm not. I wish God didn't make me this way. Imagine if your own grandson said that. You would break your heart. Why? What?

[Jordan]

Huh?

[Narrator/Analyst]

You would break your heart. And it's only on this topic. I wish I wasn't white. That. That's okay. If her grandson had said, grandma, I wish I wasn't gay, she would have smacked him in the face with a ruler. You were born gay.

[Jordan]

Enjoy it.

[Narrator/Analyst]

But when he says, I wish I wasn't white, she says, you're right.

[Dan]

So this is a clip from an eight hour speech that Nancy Pelosi gave in February 2018 when she was trying to stop House Republicans who wanted to get rid of daca. Yeah, this was two hours into the speech, which was mostly her reading accounts of people who benefited from daca, hoping to illustrate for the GOP who their actions were meant to hurt.

[Jordan]

It's almost like they didn't care.

[Dan]

Nope. It is true that Pelosi told the story about her grandson, but Tucker is playing this clip out of its full context. She's saying this. It's not like out of nowhere, like she believes that there's something wrong with being white and there's something admirable about her grandson wanting to look like his friend Antonio. That's not the point or the context. This is a story that she tells after reading a letter from a DACA recipient who specifically talked about how stigmatized and alienated she felt in school because she had darker skin than her peers. The point of Pelosi's story isn't that it's good that her grandson doesn't want to be white. It's that it's heartening to think that maybe children don't have as much bigotry being imprinted on them as the last generation did. Yeah, it's nice that her grandson sees a friend with darker skin and doesn't think that's weird or bad. It's obvious why Tucker plays this kind of game with context. But the only thing that really matters is to understand that he's doing it because he wants the opposite. He wants a world where his white children see kids at school with darker skin and think they're different. Yep, that's it.

[Jordan]

Thank God I'm not like them, the mongrels, which is basically. Yeah, that's where we're at. Why even bother with basically? Just call. Just say it, man. I'm running out of gas on this motherfucker.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

God damn.

[Dan]

It's. It's a. It's a rough look. I mean, like, that's. That's what I was saying. Like, this is shocking.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This even. Even by our standards, like, this is grim.

[Jordan]

I mean, I. I cannot imagine because I. Because, you know, I've. I've thought about it. I've thought about what it would be like. Like to be in a George Wallace auditorium, you know, like to Be with those people. To be with people who are what we would call centrists now, frothing at the mouth, hoping to kill black people. You know? And it is. It is like, how. How can you possibly fucking hear this and not go, this is. This has to stop.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know how.

[Dan]

I don't know how anyone could, like, hear this and not think. You. You are fucking dangerous.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, this is dangerous shit. Like, try and displace yourself slightly in time and imagine listening to this 10 years after, like, having some kind of hindsight and hearing just imagining what kind of shit we might have on the horizon.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And how this is going to look in the prism of history. It's just. I. Yeah. The George Wallace rally is comparable. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it's all because one organ has less melanin, and another organ, a flesh tube that fills with blood is more preferable than of folds of flesh that filled with blood. That's it. That's our whole world.

[Dan]

It's a lot of it. So there. I mean, like, I think that at this point, I think I should probably point out that, like, there is a part of me that worries that this is almost becoming, like, gore, you know, like.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

I wanted to look into, like. Okay, Alex had this response to ice shooting someone.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

What's Tucker's response? And then I hear it and I'm like, oh, my fucking God. I don't feel like I want to keep that to myself.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But it feels like torture porn.

[Jordan]

Yeah. After you've seen, like, three heads fly into the sky. There's. There's like, Okay, I. We've seen enough.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You've said a lot of pretty explicit and overt stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We're not trying to solve a mystery.

[Jordan]

Here while still somehow in your own mind clinging to this, wherever these white nationalists are.

[Dan]

Yeah. Oh, I've never seen one.

[Jordan]

Motherfucker. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

All my friends are so cool and blah. So, anyway, Nancy Pelosi.

[Jordan]

How are. Fine, fine. Let's do Nancy Pelosi.

[Dan]

She sucks. Yeah. And, man, it wouldn't work. Like, she couldn't pull this shit if she was black.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Has she been black and gotten up and said, you know, my grandson said to me, my granddaughter had a white Barbie doll and said, grandma, I wish I had blonde hair and blue eyes. All of us would say, well, that's awful. God made you like this. It's sad to want to be something that you're not. You should be comfortable with the way you were made. Isn't that a kind of foundational modern American belief, except when you're white. It's beautiful when you hate yourself. That's what she's saying. That's what she said on the House floor. She became the speaker of the House twice.

[Dan]

Said. This game that Tucker is playing only works because of the removal of context from Pelosi's clip. She wasn't happy about whether or not her grandchild wanted to be white. She was happy to see a reflection of tolerance in his acceptance of his friends. Her grandchild doesn't see traits that would have drawn racist hate in the past as being bad and can actually imagine himself having those traits without being like, oh, no, what would it be? Oh, no. Conversely, the situation he's imagining where Pelosi is black and her grandchild says that she wants to be white. That's not a scenario that reflects tolerance. That's a desire to be different than what she is rooted in succumbing to racist pressure. It's a person giving up their connection to who they are in order to fit. Fit in. It's easy to understand this if you just imagine a situation where a kid has two dads. In one version of the story, the kid has a friend who says, I wish I had two dads, which is pretty easy to understand, is not a reflection of that friend actually wanting his dad to be gay or a desire to be gay himself. It's a kid whose friend has two dads who sees that as normal, saying the sort of stuff that kids say. In the second version of this story, the kid with two dads says, I wish I didn't have two dads, which is very clearly a different thing. That's a kid reflecting a desire to be seen as normal, where he thinks that having two dads alienates him from his peers. They treat him differently. And he wished that wasn't the case.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

You kind of have to be stupid to not understand the difference between these thoughts. And that's the act that Tucker's trying to pull off.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And what's. What's even more important, not only that those two are different, is that they are both rooted in the same thing that Tucker is doing.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Doing.

[Jordan]

Which is that the reason we have a reaction to the kid in one direction is because white people are the overwhelmingly dominant destructive force in the world of the United States. And the reason that we look at another, the other context and go, well, that's no good, is because white people are the dominant force in the United fucking States. Both of them are just the same, are different reactions to the Same thing.

[Dan]

Yes. The system that he's desperate to maintain and cling on to is the thing that exacerbates the negative parts of both of all of this.

[Jordan]

If you weren't so fucking racist, no one would care in either situation if you weren't so racist. When that kid said, hey, I wish I had browner skin and brown eyes, everybody be like, yeah, you wish you could fly. Who gives a shit? Yeah. Or the other kid, I wish I had blonde hair. Don't we all? It's smooth. Whatever. Who cares, right? It's only because Tucker is a racist that it matters in either situation.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

God damn it.

[Dan]

So anyway, Pelosi.

[Jordan]

Yeah. What's she up to?

[Dan]

And she hates those white people so much.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And by the way, that's not compassion, that's hatred. That's saying to a six year old, no, you were born the wrong way. You are fundamentally flawed. There's nothing you can do about it. You're not as good as Antonio and.

[Jordan]

You never will be. Peter of shit.

[Narrator/Analyst]

There's hatred. That is hatred and it expresses itself. By the way, Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore and she grew up there when it was 85% white. How is it now? She doesn't go back very often, apparently. Things around the world are moving so fast right now, it's impossible to keep up with all of the changes. But we do know that when those changes happen, markets change too. And nothing changes faster than the price of precious metals, gold and silver. It just shifts in an instant because it is a reaction to and against what's happening in the world. So timing is essential.

[Dan]

So this ad that Tucker is doing for precious metals is for a company called Bataleon Metals, which he co owns. It's weird because I think that anybody who's actually serious about precious metals doesn't need a Tucker Carlson gold company to get into the market market. So the only people this is even gonna attract as customers are Tucker fans who get scared by his content and think that gold will protect them. It's basically impossible for me to see this company in this ad as anything other than an explicit and knowing attempt to scam people.

[Guest 1]

Yep.

[Dan]

There's no way around it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's a scam. Look at these, look at these people I can scam. It is putting a bunch of people, people into an enclosed space and being like, holy shit, can you believe how easy it is to shoot fish in a barrel? It's crazy.

[Dan]

I'm selling you non woke tobacco pouches. Well, I'm selling You gold.

[Jordan]

I'll eat that. I'll put gold. I don't want to be woke.

[Dan]

Amazon movies about Melania.

[Jordan]

Oh, man. I saw.

[Dan]

I saw one of the dog telemedicine.

[Jordan]

What was it? I think mgm. Their slogan used to be movies for movies sake. And I don't know if I might be, but I was watching it and that opening came up, you know, and the. The title card and the mgm, and it had movies for movies sake. And then Amazon Studios shows up right over top of it. And I was like, boy, you guys got to get rid of that. Yeah, the movies are. Movie 6 has got to be gone now.

[Dan]

Yeah, movies for tax write off sake.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

God. Garbage. Just a bunch of shit. So anyway, buy that gold, incidentally. Gold and silver prices just went real way down. Yeah. Yeah, I bet that really hurt Tucker and all of his listeners were fine.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So anyway, Mom, Donnie. True. He's the mayor of New York now. Sure. And his. You know that. That lady who works for him on the renters thing? The head of the renters?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

She hates white people.

[Jordan]

Oh, no, the new head.

[Narrator/Analyst]

His new rental authority lady said recently, white people own too much. They should rent like everyone else. Really. That's not justice. That's not equity. That's hatred. That's undisguised hostility toward people for how they look. But because they are increasingly a defeated people, that's not only okay, it's encouraged. You don't want to be on the wrong side of that. Not because you're a white supremacist and love only white people. That's insane. God made every person, every human being was created by God, period. It's not a matter of loving only people who look like you, loving only whites or blacks or whatever. It's a matter of not hating people on the basis of how they were born. But these dynamics don't change much because there's something in people that wants to crush and humiliate the vanquished every single time. And you'd like to think that this nation is exceptional in the sense that that wouldn't happen here, but there's no evidence of it at all. As whites become a smaller proportion of the US population every year here, louder become the calls to hate whites. More open becomes the hatred, the hostility, the threats of violence, crimes against white people like, well, I don't know. The perpetrator was black, you're white. Every single American knows.

[Jordan]

That's what you got.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Those crimes are not punished as vigorously or as harshly as the reverse. Everyone knows that. And accepts it.

[Dan]

It's not true that crimes against white people aren't treated the same by cops or the courts, but. But it's how Tucker feels and more importantly, how he wants the audience to feel. So he just treats this like an unquestioned tenant of faith. And apparently that AI blurb from earlier was too emotional.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think this is maybe the most nakedly racist piece of content that I've seen from someone as high profile as Tucker in the time that I've been doing this. Yeah, it may be hard to remember at this point, but this is his response to ICE shooting a woman in her car. This is kind of crazy that he's not really talking about the specifics of that at all. Choosing instead to abstractly defend isis right to terrorize the population because they're upholding the natural order. Tucker demands exist where white people are the majority and have all the power. And in order to not talk about that shooting, he will talk about the church. But the church protest was in response to the shooting. I don't know.

[Jordan]

I mean, I guess. I guess it really is all about, like, the pitch. The pitch to people that Tucker is. Is looking for is this. Yeah, I know you don't like that, but what's better than what's worse? No order. Is that what you want? So, yeah, you get, sure, sure, we murder a bunch of brown people and you feel bad about that, but that's why you get to have a fucking mall with coals in it. That's what you get. That's the trade off. We kill the brown people, you get your mall. That's the whole pitch, right? Yeah, that's basically it.

[Dan]

Yeah. I mean, like later on, he talks to the pastor or one of the pastors who's associated with that church.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's literally defending all of this and being like, it's either Christ or chaos.

[Jordan]

There you go. Yeah, that's it.

[Dan]

Yeah, that'. Yeah. I mean, like, this is like the. Maybe the fourth time so far in the episode that you have almost on the nose nailed. Clip. We're gonna play later.

[Jordan]

What is the worst thing that somebody could say? Yeah, I'll try that out. Oh, it's what he says later. Surprise.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's what a clergy member says later. Awesome.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I think. I think there might be a battle over Christendom. That Christendom is getting their ass kicked.

[Dan]

Kicked on. So whites are treated unfairly by the law. Sure. And this, this Minnesota, this situation in Minneapolis, it's really showing that yes.

[Narrator/Analyst]

If there's no such thing as equality under the law, if you can be punished more lightly or more severely based on your race, your ethnicity, your religion, we're all in trouble, all of us. First of all, we're all degraded because that's the definition of immortality. Immoral blood guilt is not real, despite what our leaders tell us. And it's totally possible that you and your group, your community, are going to wind up on the wrong side of that someday. But for right now, it's very obvious that whites are on the wrong side of that. And you can tell by the behavior of the people at the ICE protest. So this was Minneapolis just a couple of nights ago. This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white, because Minneapolis, one of the.

[Dan]

Last.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Big cities in America with a sizable white population, running into a church and threatening the parishioners in the church.

[Dan]

I would suggest that there isn't a right side of that equation to be on if Tucker is. He's obsessed with this saying that whites are on the wrong side of it. You don't want to be on the wrong side of it. You also don't want to be on the right side of it because it's fucking garbage.

[Jordan]

I have made up an equation that allows me to kill people. Do you want to be involved in any part of this equation?

[Dan]

Yeah. No, you don't want to be on that side, though?

[Jordan]

No, you definitely don't want to be on that side.

[Dan]

Great.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Cool, man.

[Jordan]

What part of the Nazi equation do you want to be on? The one where there's no Nazis.

[Dan]

Yeah. I'm not playing.

[Jordan]

No equation with Nazis in it is good.

[Dan]

Yeah. Math's bad.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So it's important to understand that Tucker doesn't care about people being treated fairly under the law. This is just his current version of an inarguable point that he's using to mask his actual argument. And taking it seriously means the joke's on you.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Tucker says that Minneapolis is one of the last big cities in the United States with a sizable white population. And to that I say, excuse me. So Minneapolis is about 430,000 people, and it's about 60% white.

[Guest 1]

Sure.

[Dan]

Here's a list of U.S. cities with larger populations and higher percentages of white residents. Virginia Beach, Omaha, Colorado Springs, Mesa, Albuquerque, Portland, Louisville, down Denver. And there are a ton that are fucking close.

[Jordan]

I was going to say I could name about eight.

[Dan]

There's way more that are, like, right about at 60 or a little bit below.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And this is just bullshit.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Leaving aside that what Tucker is saying is inaccurate. It's also just an insane way to look at the world and communities, and I reject it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, it is. It is something that is like his inarguable point should be the sign, if you're listening to this, that you don't want to listen to this. Like, the idea of if we're not equal under the law, we're all in trouble. If you're not equal in race, we're all in trouble. It's the same fucking thing.

[Dan]

Mm. Yeah. He doesn't seem to want to look at the power dynamics that he's discussing and thinking about, like, how they're corrupt and how we don't need them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Instead, he just wants to be the killer as opposed to the killed. And I think that sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's cowardly. And, boy, you'd think that the, like, based on the rest of his career and. Yeah. You'd think you'd do this. Never mind. Yeah.

[Jordan]

No, this is exactly what you'd expect.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's just going to be. It's going to be a real bummer. How many people are going to be allowed to say they didn't say shit like this? Yup. That's going to be the bummer. Yep. And I. I don't know. I think we've gone so many times through this cycle of, like. Well, I know you said that shit, but it's too hard to relitigate now where it's like, no, you. You said it. Go fucking eat it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Go yourself.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I was thinking. I was thinking about that. That, like, there's no bridge back. You're gone.

[Jordan]

You're eating off a toilet seat for the rest of your fucking life if I have anything to say about it.

[Dan]

So look, these. These protesters.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That went into that church.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

They fucking hate God.

[Jordan]

I bet they do.

[Dan]

And whites.

[Jordan]

Oh, I bet they do.

[Narrator/Analyst]

This is a bunch of, of course, primarily white, because Minneapolis, one of the last big cities in America with a sizable white population, running into a church and threatening the parishioners in the church. You've probably seen footage of this, but listen carefully to the clip you're about to hear, and you can hear, effectively, racial epithets aimed at white people. So things are going on.

[Dan]

Oh, my God.

[Narrator/Analyst]

And they hate whites. White Christians. Now that's familiar. Very familiar. There's a lot of hatred toward white Christians. Now, where does that come from?

[Jordan]

The stuff they've done?

[Narrator/Analyst]

Obviously spiritual at its root. Like everything.

[Jordan]

The Spanish Inquisition.

[Narrator/Analyst]

How do you understand exactly why that group is targeted around the world, but we know that it is certainly that's one of the primary motives in going to war against Russia, destroying Ukraine.

[Dan]

So I just want to take a moment to reflect on how Tucker is very clearly saying that he believes that the devil is trying to destroy white Christians.

[Jordan]

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying right now.

[Dan]

I think that's how he should be treated as someone who believes that because.

[Jordan]

The devil's trying to kill white Christians. There you go.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Dude, what a weird devil. You got a very strange devil.

[Dan]

It's, it's interesting because I was thinking about this too, while I was, you know, getting this ready. And like, is this really that different than, like, Pat Robertson saying that gay people caused tornadoes?

[Jordan]

Not at all.

[Dan]

It's not really.

[Jordan]

Really.

[Dan]

But Tucker doesn't think of himself as Pat Robertson.

[Guest 1]

Nope.

[Dan]

We just need to Everybody.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, it is, it is that, like, Pat Robertson is not saying something that is outside on the fringes. Pat Robertson is saying something that is inside side, and other people mask that by saying other things. Pat Robertson's belief that gay people cause hurricanes is identical to any other belief of, like, oh, well, the reason I don't like gay people is because they degrade society or because they blankety blank. It's not real. None of it's real. What's inside is the idea that gay people are wrong.

[Dan]

No, no, no. I got you. I got you.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, but that's what I'm, I agree with you.

[Dan]

The reason that I'm drawing the parallel to the hurricanes thing is that, like, it's less about the, you know, the hatred that's underneath it and more about the willingness to be a public figure who's talking about magic.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's more like that was something that, like, that was, that was a pretty niche set that we all kind of laughed at.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that's where Tucker's positioning himself.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I, I, I have such a strange history with that because I remember being asked by my church librarian to read the first Harry Potter book to make sure that there wasn't too much satanic imagery for the other kids.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

To read about.

[Dan]

I mean, if someone's going to get cursed by the book, it might as.

[Jordan]

Well be, you know, it's like that in, in my childhood when I was, like, nine or whatever. That was. Okay. That was like, oh, well, that's a reasonable ask. We got to make sure that these kids aren't seeing magic. Right.

[Dan]

Like two points.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

One, I don't think you should use your upbringing as.

[Jordan]

That's a fair point. That's a fair point. That's what that's. All I'm saying is I don't have the correct perspective on this to share with the common man, if you will.

[Dan]

But my second point on that is, yeah, there was some magical nonsense and bullshit in my religious upbringing.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And I think that it's fine for some of that stuff to exist in. In like, niche weird religious stuff. But Tucker is pretending to be political.

[Jordan]

Yeah, go fuck with snakes, man.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, go be Tex Mars.

[Jordan]

Stay out of politics and just be like, look at me hanging onto these snakes now. Worship me. Yeah, that makes more sense to me.

[Dan]

Yeah. So anyway, the west destroyed Ukraine because it's too Christian.

[Jordan]

Because it's too Christian. That makes sense.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

I'll buy that Ukraine was destroyed by the west, but the way it was destroyed by Washington and Brussels, who pushed Russia into this war. They wanted this war. They said they wanted this war. They got the war. Very few of their people have been killed in the war, but hundreds and hundreds, likely over a million Ukrainians have been killed in this war. You think Ukraine will be majority Ukrainian in 100 years? You think the land in Ukraine will be owned by Ukrainians in 20 years? No, no, of course not. It won't be Russia that did that. It'll be the West. And you have to wonder why. Well, the fact that Ukraine was white and Christian, one of the last big concentrations of white Christians on the planet. Maybe that had something to do with it. Of course it did. Obviously that's not a far right conspiracy theory. It's the truth.

[Dan]

This isn't a far right conspiracy theory theory. It's just boring old white identity Nazi shit. Like, it's not new, it's not fresh, it's not interesting. None of this shit means anything that's worth arguing about. Like, what does Tucker even mean when he says that Ukraine is one of the last big white Christian countries? Percentage wise, countries like Romania and Armenia have more Christians than Ukraine. And if he doesn't think those places are the right kind of white, then Tucker can go ahead and explain Poland. This is just a white supremacist show. Like, there's no ifs and zerbucks.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And is so like, we. The world's too big for this now because you can't pull this shit without exactly what you're saying. Like what? Stop it with white. What even is it once you. Once you leave the United States's fucked up Nazi version of white, you know, that we've lived with as though that's fine from our beginning.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Right.

[Jordan]

Then now you get into the world of whiteness, and it's like, that could be fudgeing anything. That could be fudgeing anything.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Why is it. Why aren't there Egyptians white? Like, it's a fucking bullshit of all of this. Well, it's absurd.

[Dan]

Let's approach this from another angle, too.

[Jordan]

God damn it.

[Dan]

What is Christian?

[Jordan]

Right. I'll tell you what.

[Dan]

Some countries are 90 something percent Christian, and Tucker probably thinks it's like three.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because those aren't real Christians.

[Jordan]

I'll tell you what, I. I would be shocked, shocked if I'm gonna go through my book again. I've read it a few times, but I've read. I've read the Bible a few times, and I would be shocked if. Oh, yeah, and I should totally be a pastor is in there. I'd be shocked.

[Dan]

You know what else is shocking? How much of that book is about white people and how much they need to be in control of government.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. That was basically all the Second Thessalonians was about. Right? It was like, hey, buddy, whiteness over everything.

[Dan]

And everyone was shocked because First Thessalonians. Naughty about that.

[Jordan]

Not at all. Like, it was like the letter that they sent back must have been fucking crazy, because the one he followed up with.

[Dan]

Ah, crazy Sophomore effort.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Tucker said that this protester who went into the church basically was throwing out some white epithets.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Not some slurs.

[Jordan]

That's right. I was interested to know which ones we were gonna deal with.

[Dan]

Well, this clip is, like, almost three minutes long, and I'm playing it in its entirety. Not because it's interesting.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

But because Tucker said that, and I don't want to look like I'm editing something out.

[Narrator/Analyst]

So the same attitudes that did that, that are at work in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and very much here in the United States were sort of distilled in the clip you're about to see from a church a couple of days ago in Minneapolis. Watch this.

[Jordan]

Renee. Go Good, Renee.

[Guest 2]

Good.

[Jordan]

Where are you? Where are you? Where are your people? Why are you not at Wibble every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people? Where are you? You drink your coffee, you got your jewelry, you have your nice clothes, but what do you do?

[Narrator/Analyst]

What.

[Jordan]

What do you do to stand up for your Somali and Latino communities? I'm not going to comment. You have no comment. Exactly.

[Guest 1]

Say your name.

[Jordan]

Renee.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Good.

[Jordan]

Renee Good. All these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real life. Nice lives with your lattes doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters. You. You come here to. A man wearing a suit is a preacher. Did Jesus wear a suit? Did Jesus profit off the word?

[Narrator/Analyst]

No.

[Jordan]

Jesus would die within. Do not touch me. Touch me again and see what happens. You are a fake Christian. Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities? Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity? Where are you? You're sinners. You're pretending to be Christians. But we know you live an easy life, don't you? A very easy life while people are starving. Shame man.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Is that man capable of violence? Well, he's committing it, of course. Disrupting a church service. People who mean no one harm, committing no crime, who've done nothing wrong, screaming at him for being white Christians. That's it right there. That's it right there. And you should know that that's not the last clip like that you're gonna see. Not just tonight, but in the future, because that's the animating spirit behind what you're watching. No one is making an economic case for mass migration. Nobody is making an economic case for keeping tens of millions of illegals in this country, because there isn't an economic case for it. There is no case that begins with, let me tell you how this will make our country better. No one even makes that case. The case they're making is we are replacing the people who founded this country, who built the system for themselves, by the way, with a brand new people who have very little in common with those people. And why are we doing that? Because we hate those people.

[Dan]

So, epithets.

[Jordan]

I was expecting at least a honky.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

I was expecting a honky.

[Dan]

Yeah, it was.

[Jordan]

Because a cracker is not even. That's not. That doesn't even count.

[Dan]

Was underwhelmed.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that was. That was pathetic.

[Dan]

If Tucker thinks that's racist against white people, then the only thing I can say is that Tucker is the softest little baby on earth.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Come on.

[Dan]

And I made clear earlier that I think that a protest disrupting a church service is a dicey call. And I can respect some criticism of that. So my feeling about his softness is even taking that into consideration. Yeah, I feel like I'm saying it after every clip, but it's just like. It feels shocking what Tucker is like. He just thinks he can get away with anything because he can.

[Jordan]

I mean, Come on, man. It is. It is. Like, how. What is it? What is it in the brain? Because there's gotta be something. What is it in the brain that will allow you to be primed? You know, like that. That Tucker saying. Oh, they even. They even shouted racial epithets towards white people. And they fucking didn't. But after that clip was played in its entirety, everybody who's a fan of Tucker listening to it was like, I can't believe they would shout such white racial epithets.

[Dan]

You know, I felt scared.

[Jordan]

Like, there is. There is a priming somewhere.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That I just. I don't have it, man.

[Dan]

No. And I think that. Yeah, I think. I think slick media is good at getting you to think whatever you have just heard or whatever you're hearing is like confirmation of what was just said.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And. Yeah. I. I don't know. I mean, I think it's just his gift.

[Jordan]

And then there's that appeal to authority where it's like, well, he said it, so I maybe misheard it because he's the authority on the whole thing, or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And. And you know what? Like, I'm willing to say that that priming out element is part of it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think some of it, people like in his audience just would think those were epithets. They really are just that soft.

[Jordan]

Yeah. They're weak. That's that. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

So I think I'm gonna skip this clip because it's Tucker complaining about Don Lemon. Because Don Lemon was along the protest. He was reporting on the protest.

[Jordan]

All right, fine.

[Dan]

You know what? No, I'm calling it all. I am going to play it good. This Don Lemon guy hates white people.

[Jordan]

All right?

[Narrator/Analyst]

And it's not just deranged protesters who are making that case. So are former CNN anchors. Here's Don Lemon, who was part of that protest. He was covering it in the way that journalists often cover events they help organize.

[Jordan]

Not like Nick Sortor events.

[Narrator/Analyst]

They're their foot soldiers. We're just covering it. Okay, here's Don Lemon going on some podcasts with angry middle aged rich ladies to talk about how virtuous it is to scream at whites in Minneapolis. Watch this.

[Dan]

There's a certain degree of racism there and there's a certain degree of entitlement. I think people who are, you know, in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy. And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country, when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom. Freedom. It's religious freedom, but only if you. And only if you're a white male. Huh?

[Narrator/Analyst]

I mean, it's. It's hard to. You don't ever want to take Don Lemon literally because he's disconnected from reality. And you can say, well, actually, he's got a white boyfriend and he lives in the Hamptons, who's entitled here. But it's fruitless. And it diminishes you to rebut a Don Lemon rant to some. Some facelift lady on the specifics, because the specifics don't matter, because it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't need to make sense. All you need to understand is the spirit behind it, which is hate. Hate and resentment and the desire for revenge. That's what this is. And there's no other explanation that anyone's even offered up desire for revenge. And so, really, it's time to just be completely honest. This is an act of hatred and aggression toward the population of the United States, American citizens, people who were born here, people whose grandparents were born here. They are hated by the people in charge and have been for a long time. And the plan, which is pretty close to completion, actually. It's not a distant goal. It's like almost here is to replace them, render them powerless. And if people like Don Lemon have any say over it, hurt them. Just listen to what they say. You don't have to conspiracy theorize. Just open your eyes and listen, and you can tell what they have planned for you, because it's happened in a lot of places. It always happens. And so these are fights worth having having, actually, because it's not about preserving racial purity. It's about preserving your country in recognizable form, preserving your life and the lives of your children.

[Dan]

It's fascinating how explicit Tucker is comfortable being now. He feels like having less white people around him is somehow doing him harm, and there's no reason that a person should have to harm themselves. Themselves. So he's entitled to support forcefully removing immigrants from the country. At the end there, Tucker says that this isn't about racial purity. It's about preserving the country so it's recognizable for your children. This isn't him saying that he disagrees with the people arguing for racial purity. It's him giving a slightly different spin. If you want to forcefully impose a white majority on the population so the blood stays pure, that sounds racist. But if you want to forcefully impose a white majority on the population so you can keep power away from people who look different than. Than you. That's cool and political. I do agree with him, though. This is a fight worth having. It's not an argument worth having, but if he wants to fight, I think I'd fight him.

[Jordan]

Well, if one argument. If we're having an argument and on one side somebody says, see, white people are like Bill, and the rest of the world is Beatrix Kiddo, then the other side of the argument is, go home. Go home. Stay home there and just watch your movies by yourself.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. And I also love. I fucking can't get enough of, like, Don Lemon lives in false reality. Oh, my God, I was attacked by a demon. I'm so connected with reality.

[Jordan]

I mean, I woke up with claw.

[Dan]

Marks from the devil on me.

[Jordan]

I just. I just. I. Like, I chose the moment you said Tucker to try and avoid the. Even at the beginning with his run on sentence. To try and be like, hey, listen, this pot calls kettles fucking black.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

You just got to let that go.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Move on. This is a black pot calling that kettle black as shit. That's what it is. That's what we're doing.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's a lot of real projecting gaslighting.

[Jordan]

Oh, man. You gaslighting piece of shit.

[Dan]

Yeah. Also, Don Lemon got arrested for reporting on that church protest. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Well, there you go.

[Dan]

I have no idea what higher consequence Tucker wants the government to impose on him beyond violating his First Amendment Amendment rights. You know, those rights that were so important back when Tucker needed to defend his slur buddies?

[Jordan]

Super important.

[Dan]

Yeah, man. What is.

[Jordan]

Can you imagine demonetizing somebody's YouTube channel just for something they said. Just for something they said. And now look. Now look at what happens. Now I can cheer as the government beats Don Lemon up for a day. Great.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because he hates white people.

[Jordan]

Because he hates white people. Jesus Christ, man.

[Dan]

So anyway, a white guy comes on.

[Jordan]

I swear to you. I swear to you, I hate white people more than anybody else.

[Dan]

Nancy Pelosi, way more.

[Jordan]

Wow. Yeah.

[Dan]

So Nick Sortor comes on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's got some breaking news that actually he kind of debunks himself.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Nick, can you. First of all, thank you for doing that. This is a true public service, I think, to bring this to the public. What. What did we just see? Can you give some context? Context?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

So, Tucker, what I'll tell you is this happened not far from downtown Minneapolis, so there are police everywhere all the time. Right. I mean, it's a pretty concentrated area with Police and these rioters had two hours, two hours to go through multiple FBI vehicles. There's another vehicle that was parked right behind this one where they were able. They had enough time and they weren't worried about Minneapolis police showing. So they took a tow strap out of the back of a pickup truck, mounted it to tied it around the. The weapons locker in the other vehicle, mounted it to the pickup truck and yanked it out that way. And they're not worried at all about any repercussions from Minneapolis pd. As soon as it happened, I went over to Minneapolis pd, who I figured out we're about a block away from there. And I gave them the information. I gave them the description of the individual. I gave them the video. I let them take a picture of the person's face. I gave them the license plate number as well as the car that he was in. This guy that just stole not just a rifle, but a select fire rifle, an automatic rifle from an FBI vehicle. They chose not to go after the vehicle that they could see down the street. He hadn't even left yet. But these cowards that are at the higher level ranks of mpd, they're under people like Jacob Fry, who was basically Mayor Soy boy. That's what I prefer to call him at this.

[Jordan]

Got him. Got him.

[Guest 2]

They've been cucked. I don't know how else to say it, Tucker. If you knew in a city in, let's say, rural Georgia that somebody just stole an automatic rifle and you see them in your sights, those sheriff's departments are going to go after them immediately. They're not going to let them get away.

[Dan]

So by the time Nick is doing this interview, the guy who stole the gun in that video had already been apprehended. Yeah, he's over here on Nazi chat shows whining about how no one's doing anything and all the lib cops are cucked when someone had actually done something already.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also, it was an FBI guy's guns. This may be a federal crime. It might not be something that the local cops could even deal with.

[Jordan]

I mean, so many problems.

[Dan]

I get that Nick Sortor is very scandalized by this crime, but it's not that uncommon for guns to get stolen from cops. The Trace reported in 2018 that they'd reviewed records from, quote, more than 100 law enforcement agencies and found that they had collectively reported the loss or theft of at least 1,781 guns between 2008 and 2017. Four of those guns were fully automatic machine guns. Sure. One of the guns, not one of the machine guns, just one of the guys guns was actually taken from a high school bathroom where a cop just left it there. That'll happen in a high school bathroom.

[Jordan]

I mean you can't train everybody.

[Dan]

Of all those 1781 guns, the outlet could only confirm that 239 of them had been recovered.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

So a lot of those went missing.

[Jordan]

I think the point we're trying to get here is there's just so many fucking guns, a lot of them, that the government can lose a thousand of them and be like, yeah, we'll replace it.

[Dan]

I'm not saying that if you steal a gun from a cop's car, you shouldn't get arrested.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Sure.

[Dan]

It's just not something that requires suspending the constitution. Unless you're a fucking baby or you're just desperate to try and find the justification to suspend the constitution. Yeah, Nick sort or sounds like a fucking baby. In fact, I know somebody in Missouri from when I was growing up who.

[Jordan]

Stole the cops gun. Yep, yep, yep.

[Dan]

Stole a gun right out of a cop's car. And here's the thing, I was thinking about it and I don't remember how that story ends, so I think he got away with it. I mean, cuz I think he'd be dead if he didn't.

[Jordan]

We should write it that he did get away with it.

[Dan]

I, I don't think he's dead.

[Jordan]

Then there we go. Yeah, works for me.

[Dan]

I feel like there would be a dramatic end of the story if he didn't get away with it. Right.

[Jordan]

I mean, I don't know. Most people don't listen. Most crimes aren't that bad. Like if, if that makes sense, you know, like even with most crimes you could still have a conversation with somebody and they'd be like, yeah, you're right, I probably shouldn't have fucked up like that.

[Dan]

Oh yeah.

[Jordan]

Like that's most crimes.

[Dan]

Oh yeah. This, this guy was like, what the did I do? Like very quickly after.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. If somebody had come up to him, been like, you steal that gun, he have been like, it was a huge fuck up. I am so sorry. That's most crimes.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Very few people who commit crimes are also like, yeah, and I'm going to fucking kill you. Nobody does that.

[Dan]

Not, not, not a lot anyway. What I'm saying is that maybe he should look at things in perspective.

[Jordan]

Maybe.

[Dan]

And now granted, I think that I try to be as fair as I can and if there were some kind of like, you know, right wing protest that was going on and like they had stolen a gun out of like at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If they'd stolen an FBI agent's gun, I don't think you should need to send in the military. I think you probably should arrest that person. That's a crime committed. But like, I don't know, I mean.

[Jordan]

Most crimes could probably be solved the next day by like knocking on their door, calling ahead, being like, hey, come on, we know you committed the, that crime. You want to, you want to negotiate this better?

[Dan]

Yeah, we. Can we just mulligan this one?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, hey, listen, you get to give us the gun back and we get to give you not a 10 year criminal sentence.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

How about that?

[Dan]

We all fucked up. You stole the gun and I shouldn't.

[Jordan]

Have let you steal that gun.

[Dan]

Boom.

[Jordan]

That is on me.

[Dan]

So anyway, I'm going to cut through some of Nick Sortor's because basically he's just wanting the army to come in.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And well that's, that'll help crush everyone.

[Jordan]

Yeah, right.

[Guest 2]

I mean these FBI agents that are out there, like FBI agents, DHS agents, they're not trained in crowd control. Right. That's not their, not their job. But there are federal resources to handle that and we're not using them, we're putting them on standby. And I'm sorry, I'm a big supporter of the Trump administration. I think they're doing a fantastic job. But I'm a little worried that we're sleeping on, on what's actually going on in Minneapolis because some polls came out saying that, oh well, some people don't approve of what's going on with ICE operations. And so like the administration is a little bit fearful, I think I'll say of deploying troops into the streets to restore order because they don't like the poll numbers that are coming out. And you know what, 80 million people voted for this to happen.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Guest 2]

I personally think maybe those poll numbers, if they're even real, some of the reason that people say they're not approving of the job that ICE is doing is because they're not deporting enough people.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Well, of course.

[Guest 2]

Right. You go and talk to people in middle America. I'm from Kentucky originally, Tucker.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[Guest 2]

So I gauge my dad, who's an H Vac technician down there and all his friends. I try to get their opinion on just people that are just normal, everyday blue collar people. And they're all saying the same thing. They're not seeing anything. They're not seeing the deportations that they were asking for. So if the poll numbers are dropping, that has a lot to do with it. Not because people think that ICE is being too aggressive. So I think those numbers are being misinterpreted.

[Dan]

See, this is how you can tell that Nick Sortor is a journalist who does the work and he gets the big picture. Trump's poll numbers are going down after federal agents shot a woman in the face. And his suspicion is that maybe the approval rating is Trump dropping because they aren't being aggressive enough.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's not just something he imagined. He talked to his dad and his dad's friends in Kentucky to really gauge the average American, see what they think about this.

[Jordan]

Because you can't trust those polls. No, they're, they're, they're selectively biased. They choose a specific group of people who all share a very similar background and region and growth and skin color and are my dad.

[Dan]

Yeah. They, these polls fail to capture the related to me demographic asshole.

[Jordan]

If they're even real.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I talked to my dad and he said, great. You know, I was thinking about this, listening to those two talk, and then I thought, like, all of our movies about World War II have the Nazis, you know, with their uniforms and looking very imposing. But I'm listening to them and I'm thinking, thinking, the reason you got to have a Hitler or a Trump is because the rest of the people are fucking dorks. They're these dorks. That's who the Nazis really were. They got a lunatic to headbang for a while and that got people on board. But these are the dorks. These are the dorks who get concentration camps and shit like that. Little whiny like, well, I talked to my dad. Fuck off. These are the dorks. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Steve Miller. Miller all downstream, just fucking dorks. All the way down.

[Jordan]

Losers. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So I'm going to skip past this next clip because it's just Tucker being like, where are the people who took out Maduro when you need him? Like, what?

[Jordan]

Wow. Well, all right.

[Dan]

You can overthrow Venezuela and you can't suppress a city. You can't take over an American city.

[Jordan]

Come on. It is, it is actually pretty hard to take over an American city.

[Dan]

Yeah. So after Nick Sortor leaves, Tucker has another guest and it is this guy from that church. Oh, yeah, but not really. He's a guy who started that church and then now isn't there anymore.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's smart.

[Narrator/Analyst]

So we played you that footage of the protesters attacking people in church for being white and Christian. That was in St. Paul, I think city's church in St. Paul, Minnesota. Joe Rigney is one of the founders of that church, I believe, and I hope he'll pardon me if I've mangled any of his bio, but he joins us now. Joe, thanks so much for doing this. Tell us about what happened at that church.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, so that's my former church. I was a planting pastor at the church. I'm no longer there. I live in Idaho now.

[Dan]

So I take back what I said earlier about the protest at that church being an iffy choice.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I fully take it all back. There clearly was more of a reason that they chose that location for a demonstration than meets the eye.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Joe Rigney is a pastor who came to some national attention for writing a book about how empathy can be a successful sin and also for getting the boot from the Bethlehem College and Seminary for his ties to Christian nationalism.

[Guest 2]

Sure.

[Dan]

After that he moved to Idaho where he now works with another pastor who Tucker has interviewed named Doug Wilson. And they run what Politico is described as a, quote, theocratic regime in a small town there.

[Jordan]

That's nice.

[Dan]

If this is the guy who founded the city's church in Minnesota, then it's very clear that that's a place that preaches Christian nationalism and that makes it much more of a political target for a protest than a regular congregation. Yeah. Was willing to give all kinds of latitude and it is not earned.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Analyst]

No.

[Jordan]

You put a swastika on a church, that's on you.

[Dan]

Yeah. It is no longer deserved.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

The care and concern that I was trying to give this story. Or maybe I'm wrong. You could be, because this Joe guy.

[Jordan]

Well, let's see what he has to say about it.

[Dan]

You know what he has to say about it?

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

This is a normal church.

[Jordan]

Oh, good.

[Dan]

So normal.

[Jordan]

I bet it is.

[Guest 1]

And so you see the escalating violence on the left of normal Christian people. And I just want to. I just think I want to underscore that piece of it. These are not political activists. This is not a political church. These are normal Bible believing evangelicals. The mission of the church, the way that they talk since the beginning when we planted the church and they've continued, this is real basic. They have a number of very clear priorities, what they care about. And if you ask them, any of them, they would say, we're here because we want to worship Jesus. He's the most. He's real. Jesus is real. And he's the most important person in the universe. He's the only Hope of the world. There's salvation in no one else. They are going to want to tell you that. And they're going to say, we want to love each other as Christians. And then they're going to say, and we're here to seek the good of these cities. We've not given up on these cities, and we're normal.

[Dan]

I hate that this is a situation we're in because I was more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this is kind of no good to protest in a way that disrupts a church service. But this guy's laying it on too thick for this not to be trolling.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Dan]

One thing that normal churches don't usually say is, we're totally a normal church. That's usually the kind of thing you hear from big time weirdos and creeps who are hiding behind religion. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know enough about the city's church to make any kind of authoritative statement on what does or doesn't go on there. But the criticism that they've received over the years and the criticism that Joe Rigney has received about his theology does not just come from the left. He was part of a Baptist organization and he preached a couple things that were out of line with standard doctrine. One of the issues was that the Christian nationalism piece. But another major problem had to do with baptizing children. Child baptism is a messy question among different Christian faiths because regardless of whether or not you think it's important, you kind of have to think that the other side is damning children to hell.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep.

[Dan]

No matter which side you're on, you're like, oh, those people.

[Narrator/Analyst]

People.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Many Protestant denominations support child baptism, but the Baptists typically hold to the belief that there's not something magical about baptism and that a person is saved by God's grace before or after baptism. It's all the same. So it's reserved for a person after they can make a credible affirmation of their own faith.

[Jordan]

It's a social thing.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's for demonstrating to the community, to the community that you have become one of them. Yes.

[Narrator/Analyst]

It's.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Dan]

Rigney has supported the recognition of child baptisms, which is out of step with the Baptists and was part of him having to run off to this cult in Ohio.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or Idaho. Excuse me. I've dug around a little bit and I've come to the conclusion that everything. It points to this. This is a political church.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is the Criticism of it long predates this protest. The people who are pointing fingers. Fingers at this guy who seeded. Planted the church. It's not all just coming from left wing people. There's Christian criticisms as well.

[Jordan]

Yeah. America's history with Christianity is really interesting because it is a massive amalgamation of low level cults left and right. But the only way to get through American society with your culture intact is to say that you're Christians. You know, like there's the Mormons somehow got through the. The.

[Dan]

The.

[Jordan]

Like they got over the hill because they almost got murdered.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Guest 1]

There's.

[Dan]

There are a ton of groups that all consider themselves Christians.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That have less in common.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Than social clubs and. And a Christian organization. Totally.

[Jordan]

You know, like 100%.

[Dan]

It's a very. It's a tough adjective now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Tucker is like, hey, man, this protest, they were trying to attack Jesus. Sure.

[Narrator/Analyst]

But. And I don't think we should make a mistake. Jesus was the target. It's not that they're an ICE agent who they could have hassled at his house or at his job or whatever.

[Jordan]

White Jesus was targeted.

[Narrator/Analyst]

To be clear, I'm sure you've seen the famous photograph from the Spanish Civil War that opens opening months. The Spanish Civil War, where the communist forces surround a statue of Jesus and open fire on it. A statue. Because they were more straightforward then, like that's the enemy. And I do think it puts it in the right frame.

[Dan]

To Tucker, this probably makes total sense. These protests were targeting and trying to take down Jesus because to him, one of Jesus most important issues is protecting the feelings of white dudes. Of course it's attention grabbing and maybe a bit sensational to protest at a church, but it's also not something that never happens. Regardless of whether or not the act of protesting at a church service is acceptable. The protesters in this case were there to confront Christians with their own standards. These were Christians saying, how can you profess to hold this faith and do nothing while this shit's going on? The aim wasn't to tear down Jesus, it was to tear down the idea that Jesus would support ice. The disconnect is that Tucker and his ilk genuinely think that Jesus would be a white nationalist and that Christians who don't agree with them aren't really following Jesus.

[Guest 2]

Yep.

[Dan]

Protesters saying that Jesus wouldn't support ICE is the same to him as them saying Jesus isn't real.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It feels the same to him because they're both a refutation of something he holds sacred.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And until he deals with that. Honestly.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you know, we've. We've talked about this. I think you and I off air more. But it is a fundamental disrespecting of somebody else's beliefs to not meet them where they are. If you are coming to somebody who believes that Jesus was a white nationalist, it is exactly as disrespectful for you to be like, well, that's not what your God believes as it is for them to say that it's not what your God believes. You are. You're just realizing that you're in conflict and that there is no getting over it. So the choice is either to conflict or to leave. There's not. There's not a.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Like.

[Jordan]

No, you're. You're just misunderstanding your God, buddy. They are not. Yeah.

[Dan]

And it would be silly for us to sit here and be like, all right, you're expressing the points that you're saying. And here's what I think you really mean by that.

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

You know, like. No, you're right. You're. You're expressing a. A white. A whiteness that is essential to your religious and spiritual identity. And that is. Is. I have to take you at your word.

[Jordan]

That's what you say.

[Dan]

Because it's awful.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly. You're the one willing to say it, so I'm willing to believe it.

[Dan]

Yeah. So this pastor, he goes on to say what I mentioned earlier, which is this idea that he has that it's either Christ or chaos.

[Narrator/Analyst]

So if I'm hearing this right, chaos just by itself is a marker of evil.

[Guest 1]

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's Christ or chaos. Those are the two options. Like, those are, like, the basic options in America today. It's Christ or chaos. You either get the decay, the disorder, the lawlessness, or we turn to Jesus and he puts us. Everything back together. Like, he puts you back together individually. Like, you. You're in. You get forgiven for your sins and you get sanctified. You get made holy. You get healed and restored. And then as we put together our families, the brokenness there, he puts together our communities. Communities. He puts together our nation. You know, listening to your monologue at the front of the hour, it just struck me. You're describing sort of the Balkanization of the United States and this mass demographic transformation. I think that's a subject that many evangelicals are uncomfortable with, quite honestly, having been an evangelical my whole life. And it's uncomfortable for them to even think about or talk about. But thinking about it, it's like, what's the hope then? And I think the only hope is, well, everybody needs to turn to Jesus and then we can sort it out. But if we don't turn to Jesus, we're just going to fight and we're going to devour each other. Is that because that's what. I'm sorry, apart from Christ, that's what human beings do is that envy, rivalry, pride, selfish ambition. That's human nature in its sort of sinful state. And so the only hope is we got to turn away from that. And then, okay, now we've got millions of people from different ethnic groups and we've got these things. How are we going to sort it out? Well, Jesus has to be at the center of that or it won't happen. It can't happen. All you're going to get is more of this violence. Like that's the basic, the basic hope.

[Dan]

Oh man, I wonder what Jesus will say later, man.

[Jordan]

Whenever he was like, hey, do I not feed the birds? Do I not clothe them? No, I fucking don't. I only feed the white ones. You massage my feet. That sounds right.

[Dan]

I mean, honestly, I, I laugh when I first heard this play. Play on the episode. The, like, let's make everyone Christians that will figure out the race stuff.

[Jordan]

I mean, what, what in God's name do you think you are saying? Yeah, it's because.

[Dan]

Pretty remarkable.

[Jordan]

That is, that is gaslighting of a, of a, of a behavior that I've never even seen before. It, you really do have to become a full on theocrat of your own small town in order to get, get to listen. I love everybody who's Christian, so if we just make all the races Christian, I'll only get rid of four, you know, like, get the fuck out of here, man.

[Dan]

Yeah, it, it sounds incredibly stupid.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you're listening to this and you're not a member of that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Congregation.

[Jordan]

But if you, if you're one of a few hundred people who are terrified that this guy is going to exile you or worse, then that sounds genius.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we get one last clip here. And it's this, this pastor fella making an appeal to the prodigal among the audience. All right, Come home.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Come on.

[Jordan]

I've been gone a long time.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Is a product of nature. It's the default setting in people. It inevitably becomes violent. It's a sadomasochistic dynamic always. And someone is on the wrong end of it. And the only way to avoid that is Jesus. That's my view.

[Guest 1]

It's absolutely true. It's absolutely true. And it's the solution to the kind of mob violence that we see. Right. People always look for scapegoats. They want to find someone to blame for all their problems because they have problems and they don't want to if they can't admit that the biggest problem in the universe is me. My biggest problem is me. I think I heard someone say, say that one time. And my biggest problem is me. And if they can't admit that, then they're going to start blaming everybody. And eventually they get enough people sharing their grievance that they're going to go take it out. And we saw that on Sunday. And so the only hope is own it. Acknowledge, like, I'm the problem and God still loves me. He sent Jesus to die for my sins for goodness sake. And so he's welcoming me back like, you can be the prodigal. And I just, again, as a pastor, pastor, thank you for having me on. And I just want to say to the people listening, like, if you're the prodigal, if you're running away, whether you're a leftist or right wing or, you know, non committal or whatever, I don't care. Like, if you're the prodigal running away from God, like, you can come home like, he left the light on. He's got a really nice robe. He'll throw a big party because he loves you. So you can just come back. You don't have to keep running. And if everybody would do that, like, if God would be gracious to this nation, so gracious, and people would turn, turn back to Christ and I mean turn back to Christ, then we could, then we could talk. Then the political stuff, it wouldn't work itself bumps, and we still have to work it out.

[Jordan]

Amen.

[Guest 1]

But we'd have a foundation to build on. And so that really is the basic, the basic choice before us individually, the basic choice before us as a nation. It's Christ or it's chaos. There is no third option. There isn't one. That's all you got.

[Narrator/Analyst]

True for every person. Joe Rigney, thank you. I really appreciate you coming on and putting that into perspective and I appreciate your wisdom.

[Guest 1]

Thank you. Hey, thanks for having me, Tucker. I appreciate it.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Thanks.

[Dan]

So I agree with some of the stuff that Joe's saying there. I just think that all the ways he describes the left apply much more closely to Tucker. If there were only two options and they're Christ or chaos, then in all meaningful ways, Christ is synonymous with order.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yep.

[Dan]

Christ is the same as submission to the state, because to Rebel or protest against things Trump's government is doing. That would be an act of sowing chaos. It's Christ or chaos. There is no third option.

[Jordan]

You can't choose chaos because that's choosing not Christ.

[Dan]

Right. It's evil in and of itself.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

This is not the kind of argument you heard much when Obama was in office or during COVID Weird when the CDC was recommending you wear a mask and social distance. It wasn't a choice between Christ or chaos. And in fact, a lot of folks like Alex and Tucker believed that it was a Christian's responsibility to stand up and be chaotic. So weird on and after January 6th, it wasn't a choice between Christ and chaos. I have no ill will towards people who are religious. But this isn't religion. This is using Jesus as a weapon against people who are inclined to seek comfort in faith. If you want to make your religious convictions about maintaining the white birth rate and carrying water for federal agencies, agencies terrorizing immigrants, that's your prerogative. But I don't think you can expect people to not call your beliefs a racist cult. Christianity isn't a racist cult, but your shit is. Christians are trying to call out these people as not representing what they believe Christianity to be. And you hear a lot of that in the wake of this church protest. It's my feeling that as a non Christian, it would be pretty condescending for me to think that I can police their communities. Community and say what's acceptable for them or not. But with the rise of this kind of Christian nationalist, white identity theology, we have been seeing, like, responsible Christians step up and try to draw a line. I'm not sure if it's all been successful, but there are people who are voicing that.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And I think that's great. There's something kind of encouraging about that. Like Nancy Pelosi's grandson not wanting to be what? Sure. You know, it's an encouraging sign.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, it is. It is a. It is a shit or get off the pot time. Right. Like, if you want to have a, like, quote unquote Christianity that stands for a specific set of values, then you have to personally go get your boys. You can't be having Christians out there doing shit like this.

[Dan]

Or there has to be a very clear, like, seismic break.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

The church.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

This has to be a new religion.

[Jordan]

Either you have to say, these guys are not us and we are kicking them out for good, they're excommunicated, or you have to leave. If these are the people in Charge of your religion. It is not your religion.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Those are your options.

[Dan]

I don't know if I agree with you totally because, like, what do you do? Like, how can you leave if. If you truly believe in the Christian faith?

[Jordan]

Anywhere two or more of you gather, my man.

[Dan]

Oh, well, okay. If you mean leave that church where there's a nice pastor.

[Jordan]

Well, you gotta leave. You gotta leave the concept of the Christian heterodox, if you will.

[Dan]

I think, I think that that's a more. It's easier said than done. And I think it's very complicated. So I don't want to be like. I don't want to be telling people their business, but I do agree that you're at a fork in the road.

[Narrator/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And down one side is religion and down another side is using religion to justify this white nationalist Christian identity bullshit. And I've said it a bunch of times already, but this episode was fucking bad. Yeah, he's bad.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, I mean, but that's. That's the problem. Right. And that's the reason that it is a Christian's responsibility to police Christianity, because I can't. I'm not going to trim the hedges for you.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's not my job. I'm not here to tell you what is and is not Christian. And if you are going to be a Christian bloc and those people are in charge, then they are using you as a majority. The only reason that we have a religious right in this country is because 10% of the religious people exploit the 90% who don't really give a shit about any of that.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

You know, I agree.

[Dan]

I agree with just the caveat that I don't want to pretend that people aren't doing that or aren't trying to do that.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. I'm with you.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's the only thing I want to make sure we're not, you know, I'm.

[Jordan]

Not saying nobody's trying.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely not. I'm just saying that those are the options, you know, like, you have to make a choice. No choice is making the choice to support those guys.

[Dan]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. It's complicated. It's tough.

[Jordan]

It's tough.

[Dan]

Tough.

[Jordan]

It is. I don't, I don't envy anybody there. Anybody who is still within the faith with, with these people around them. I do not envy you.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because they're going to get worse.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So anyway, I apologize. I'm sorry I did this, but I had to. And I don't know.

[Jordan]

Jordan's on the plane.

[Dan]

Try to find something that doesn't suck. Well, yeah, maybe we'll go to the past.

[Jordan]

I mean, we got to go to the past. Yeah, there's got. There's. There's a better place.

[Dan]

Do you want to choose a date?

[Jordan]

Do you do it hardcore? I'd like. Okay.

[Dan]

I mean, I'll pick the year, but you tell me a date during the year.

[Jordan]

Okay. August?

[Dan]

No, I don't want to do summer.

[Jordan]

All right, spring. March 18th.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But I do like March.

[Jordan]

March 9th.

[Dan]

Love it.

[Jordan]

Okay. 3903 or 1933. I'll choose a year divisible by three.

[Dan]

I don't know what we've covered before, so I'll choose a year and I'll find a mark. March 9th. That works. But I also really, really like saying no for no reason.

[Jordan]

I know. I appreciate it.

[Dan]

All right, so we'll be back with March 9th of something. Maybe. Anyway, fuck Tucker. This is garbage. His show, unacceptable on every level. Yep, we'll be back. But until then. We have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

Yep, we're back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Guest 2]

And now here comes the Sex Robots.

[Dan]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Dan]

I love you.