#1117: Are You Not Valuetained?

Summary

Knowledge Fight #1117: Are You Not Valuetained?

Date: February 16, 2026
Hosts: Dan and Jordan
Theme: Dan and Jordan review Alex Jones’ latest appearance on Patrick Bet-David’s "Valuetainment," dissecting Alex’s misinformation, the toxic legacy of the Epstein case, and the increasingly farcical state of right-wing conspiracy media.

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Episode Overview

Dan and Jordan break down Alex Jones’ return to Patrick Bet-David’s "Valuetainment" podcast, a much-anticipated interview following their infamous 2018 conversation. The hosts analyze the ways the conversation exemplifies right-wing conspiracy culture’s self-dealing, credulous interview style, and disregard for truth or consistency—particularly when it comes to the explosive subject of the Epstein disclosures and their weaponization as grist for partisan propaganda. The episode blends the hosts' usual dark wit with incisive critique, spotlighting how Jones and Bet-David perpetuate a cruel and unserious media ecosystem.

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Key Discussions & Insights

Bright Spots & Warm-Up (00:10–10:12)

• Dan and Jordan begin with their traditional “bright spot” segment, sharing delightfully banal Valentine’s Day stories and a lovingly detailed recap of a romantic episode of MacGyver—a sharp contrast with the episode’s heavy main topics.
• Banter about MacGyver’s creative problem-solving offers a tongue-in-cheek prelude to the disconnected logic and invention found later in Alex’s claims.

Meme Dissection: The Mario Clip (14:58–18:32)

• [14:58] The show opens with Bet-David playing an old meme of Alex Jones applying wild labels (patriot, traitor, vampire, etc.) to Mario characters—an early indicator of the unserious, performative nature of the episode.
• Dan and Jordan critique the meme’s laziness and inconsistency:
  • “This is really the problem with memes. They’re lazy. … It’s about making something that’s good enough for people to repost and then forget about.” – Dan [18:02]
• The hosts use the meme’s nonsensical logic as a metaphor for Alex’s broader rhetorical style.

The Epstein Files: Conspiracism Swallows All (19:43–43:56)

The Partisan Weaponization of Epstein (19:43–24:55)

• [19:43] Alex and Patrick launch into the ongoing saga of the Epstein files, highlighting Pam Bondi’s disastrous handling and the right-wing media’s opportunistic outrage.
• Dan notes that the Republican base’s conspiratorial mindset is increasingly cannibalizing itself—Trump’s fans now see him as “the deep state.”
• Jordan on the Epstein revelations:
  • “If you're going to release them, it should be the same day you arrest the people in the files. … The longer it goes with no consequences, the more everybody gets inured to the idea of even giving them consequences.” [23:22]

Alex’s Lies and Patrick’s Credulity (24:19–34:31)

• Alex claims CA lowered the age of consent to 12 with a wrist-slap punishment for child rape—an utter fabrication.
  • “If this was a sincere interview, [Patrick] would look this up and then ask Alex why he’s lying.” – Dan [25:31]
• Patrick does not call him out, letting Jones’s lie ride—showcasing the fake adversarial stance that defines Valuetainment interviews.

Revising Epstein’s History & The Satanic Panic Playbook (29:30–35:43)

• Jones falsely claims Epstein was an exclusively Democratic phenomenon, then weaves in globalist and “black magic” mythology.
• “It’s just Mystery Babylon again.” – Dan, on the recycled conspiracy motifs [34:33]

Blaming the Victims: The Absolute Low Point (38:06–41:56)

• Jones calls Epstein's trafficking victims "perpetrators" complicit in a coverup.
  • “Alex is absolutely attacking Epstein victims here … This is monster behavior.” – Dan [40:15]
• Jordan: “This is crisis actor stuff all over again. This is monstrous.” [41:18]

Trump Protects His Own (43:25–43:54)

• Jones admits Trump is covering up Epstein files because exposing them would be “bad for the economy,” yet still supports Trump.
• Dan: “If Alex believes this to be true, it's grounds to impeach Trump. … He is not serving the public interest. This is a sham.” [78:54]

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Money Laundering and Valuetainment’s Manecht Platform (44:55–48:03)

• Patrick and Alex promote Manecht, Patrick’s “expert advice” platform, with rates up to $48,000 a half hour.
• Dan and Jordan speculate the platform’s real purpose: “It is perfect for money laundering.” [45:47–47:13]

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The Alex Jones / Roger Stone Recruitment Plot (53:10–56:32)

• Bombshell: Jones admits Roger Stone actively recruited him to support Trump in 2015—a devastating admission undermining his claims of independence.
  • “Roger and Alex knew that InfoWars wasn’t a news platform ... it was a sales platform where Alex had a captive audience that he could sell bullshit to.” – Dan [53:33]

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The Trump/Far-Right Feedback Loop: No Accountability, No Integrity (61:30–73:11)

• Discussion of MTG and Thomas Massie turning on Trump over Epstein files, and Trump’s calculated attacks on his former loyalists.
• The hosts dissect how the Right only cares about these scandals as “gotchas” while in opposition, not when in power.
• Jones openly admits being willing to overlook “cannibal cabals” if it helps the economy and Trump.
  • “He thinks Trump is covering this up, but he still supports Trump, which means that covering up a satanic cannibal cabal is not a deal breaker.” – Dan [68:21]

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The “Firing People” Farce: Patrick’s $48,000 Question (71:04–78:41)

• Patrick asks why Trump isn’t firing people anymore; Alex flees to the bathroom, dodges the question twice, and eventually parrots back Patrick’s suggested reason.
  • “This is how truth is created collaboratively with Alex.” – Dan [78:41]
• The co-hosts laugh at the emptiness of the exchange, highlighting the performative nature of these interviews.

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The El Paso “Laser Drill” and Alex’s Betrayal of His Old Conspiracist Brand (81:04–87:42)

• Temporary closure of El Paso airport is explained as a Pentagon/Federal Aviation Administration dispute over anti-drone lasers—Alex is notably un-alarmed despite his career-long suspicion of “drills.”
• Dan: “You were just. You’re making a mockery of everything you’re supposed to stand for.” [87:19]
• Jordan: “That’s sad. I want him to sound sad. Like fucking Droopy Dog.” [87:22]

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Unhinged Digression: Nazi Bells, Secret Anti-Gravity Weapons (88:32–90:47)

• Jones claims Trump has “anti-gravity weapons” capable of mass lethality, tying back to Nazi Germany.
• Jordan summarizes: “You might as well have just said he has weather weapons. Fine. He has anti-grab weapons. Great.” [89:27]

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The Big Lie: Alex’s Fictitious Voiceover Fortune (91:06–96:10)

• Alex claims he made “$500,000 checks” as a voiceover artist before being “blackballed” by Hollywood for not liking Obama.
  • Dan: “He was the 9/11 guy. This is bullshit. … There’s no way that anyone would hire him to do an insurance commercial based on his talent.” [94:09]
• Banter ensues with Alex showing off silly voices, met with credulous laughter.

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News: InfoWars’ End of the Line? (98:21–101:17)

• Jones shares that a court-appointed receiver will shortly cut off funding, shutting down InfoWars around March 7.
• Dan and Jordan express skepticism—Alex has predicted his own demise before—but note it’s the most believable yet.
• Discussion of possible creative government solutions: “Just put a tarp over the building.”

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Alex’s "Regrets" and Final Farce (104:01–109:17)

• Asked what he’d do differently in his career, Alex says he wouldn’t have interviewed Sandy Hook deniers, admitting it “allowed me to be set up” (rather than expressing any true remorse).
  • Dan: “Instead of covering what you believe to be a faked mass shooting meant to steal everyone’s guns, you would have ignored the story. Wow. Feels like you think you did something wrong.” [104:49]
• The interview ends with a plugin for Manecht, a birthday cake for Alex, and a tasteless joke suggesting a female staffer is a “gift”—insultingly tone-deaf given the subject of Epstein and trafficking.
  • Dan: “The premise of the joke … is that this woman is property. … It betrays how little they care about the thing they’re yelling at me about.” [108:15]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On memes and lazy discourse:
  • “This is really the problem with memes. They’re lazy … it’s a perfect delivery system for Alex’s dumb shit.” – Dan [18:02]
• On Patrick Bet-David’s interview style:
  • “At best he’s an incompetent interviewer selling a liar to his audience, and at worst he’s complicit … in order to make it look like they stand up to scrutiny when they’re bullshit.” – Dan [32:10]
• On Sandy Hook and “regrets”:
  • “I definitely wouldn’t have interviewed those professors … because it allowed me to be set up.” – Alex Jones [104:18]
• On Jones’ self-mythology:
  • “Roger and Alex knew that Infowars wasn’t a news platform … it was a sales platform where Alex had a captive audience that he could sell bullshit to.” – Dan [53:33]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:10 – 10:12: Opening & “Bright Spots”
• 14:58 – 18:32: Meme critique – Mario conspiracy clip
• 19:43 – 43:56: Epstein files, victim blaming, GOP disarray
• 44:55 – 48:03: Manecht platform and grift analysis
• 53:10 – 56:32: Roger Stone recruiting Alex
• 61:30 – 73:11: Trump, GOP, and “the means as the end”
• 71:04 – 78:41: Alex flees “why not firing people?” question
• 81:04 – 87:42: El Paso laser drill; Alex’s old brand in tatters
• 88:32 – 90:47: Nazi Bell/anti-gravity bunkum
• 91:06 – 96:10: Ridiculous voiceover fortune tales
• 98:21 – 101:17: InfoWars “shutdown” news
• 104:01 – 109:17: Alex’s regrets, tasteless finale

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Tone

• Sardonic, exasperated, and bleakly funny; righteous anger blistering beneath the hosts’ humor, especially regarding the trivializing of abuse and the cynical recycling of demonstrably harmful conspiracist rhetoric.

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Listener Takeaways

• The episode exemplifies the performative, bad-faith nature of contemporary right-wing infotainment: lies and contradictions slide by unchallenged, victims are smeared, and every tragedy is a stage for brand-building.
• Even when the stakes are highest—child trafficking, democratic legitimacy—Jones and Bet-David treat it as theater, pushing listeners to see the (often fake) fight as more important than reality.

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“This is all a game, and none of it means anything. … It’s embarrassing for Patrick to pretend that this is a real conversation.” – Dan [78:41]

Transcript

[Jordan]

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[Dan]

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[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

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[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy and T. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a first time caller.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge fight.

[Alex Jones]

I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot? Well, I mean it's February. That's true. So I think there's a tradition. Do you remember what it is?

[Jordan]

We are developing a tradition in February, specifically.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Wherein I give my bright spot first.

[Dan]

That's right.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So you go ahead.

[Jordan]

I will go ahead. I had a fantastic Valentine's Day. My wife and I both had a delightful Valentine's Day. The first reason and the largest reason when you're at a certain age, Right. We were going to go out with my brother and his wife. My. I was so excited about. My family never comes to Chicago because they think that we're in a gang war at all times. So I was excited to see my brother and his wife. We were going to hang out. Right. But then they had to cancel. And at this age, there is nothing better than canceled plans that aren't your fault.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

It's the best feeling in the world.

[Dan]

So what, did you guys stay in?

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, we did. We stayed in, we ordered some food, we watched movies.

[Dan]

It was great. Did you get her some chocolates?

[Jordan]

She bought me some flowers. It was beautiful arrangement.

[Dan]

It was an edible arrangement.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. We like to. We like to switch it up. I don't buy her flowers, she buys me flowers.

[Dan]

But did you buy her chocolates?

[Jordan]

I did buy her some chocolates.

[Dan]

Okay, good.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. They were not in a heart shaped container, however. No, no. And they were purchased on Valentine's Day, so they were 40% off.

[Dan]

Hell yeah.

[Jordan]

What we were both excited about in terms of. Exactly.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. It was great.

[Dan]

I'M glad for you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was delightful. How was your bright spot?

[Dan]

My bright spot is that I watched. Well, I mean, hey, let's keep it going with the Valentine's Day. I watched a very romantic episode of MacGyver.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

We missed one. I realized I've watched two since we spoke about it.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Dan]

But there wasn't any kissing. And it was what it was. Right. But this. This one.

[Jordan]

Heavy smooching. Heavy on the smooches.

[Dan]

So much kissing. So this one, MacGyver is in a bit of a hockey costume and he's on a date at his apartment. Okay. With a lady. It appears to be a date. It's unclear.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

But he has gotten in hockey and. Chill. He's gotten in a hockey costume and has put on a Canadian accent in order to play table hockey with this lady.

[Jordan]

All right. As if they're about to play tonsil hockey.

[Dan]

Well, she said that she used to date Brett. Wayne Gretzky.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

So, like, that was a little thing of like. Hey, okay, maybe it's a role playing fantasy for her. Maybe.

[Jordan]

That would be a lot of subtext from MacGyver.

[Dan]

So they get a. He gets a call, and it's from his ex. No, from when he was in college. Okay. She works at a nuclear processing plant.

[Jordan]

That's rough.

[Dan]

Somewhere else in California.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so she's uncovered a plot where someone is stealing uranium and her boss has been killed.

[Jordan]

Jesus.

[Dan]

And someone's trying to kill her, naturally.

[Jordan]

Well, yeah, obviously.

[Dan]

Right. So MacGyver's gotta. He's gotta get there quick.

[Jordan]

What did he study in college?

[Dan]

Science. She, him and another guy who's played by Robert Englund.

[Jordan]

Of course. Why not? Why not?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's great. And not at all distracting.

[Dan]

Instantly. Oh, hey, here's the villain.

[Jordan]

There we go. I think it's you.

[Dan]

They have a yearbook that they look at, and the three of them were in the science club, and Robert England was most likely to succeed.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And then under MacGyver's picture, it says, he's already got it.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God. Yeah. That is maybe the coolest thing that you could have in a yearbook period.

[Alex Jones]

End it.

[Jordan]

End it. All right there.

[Dan]

Jesus. Hey. Robert Englund. That's a pretty great superlative.

[Jordan]

That is.

[Dan]

But it's also second to.

[Jordan]

There's nothing better than. Hey, he's already got it.

[Dan]

Yeah, the shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So he's gotta go help her out. So she's like, meet me at our beach.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So he goes to the beach. There's some Flashbacks of how in love they were.

[Jordan]

Doing some smooching.

[Alex Jones]

They were. They were gonna make it.

[Jordan]

They were.

[Dan]

They were. But she wanted to pursue higher education in order to get a career. He wanted to go stowaway on a boat and have adventures in Greece.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that does sound like a tough choice.

[Dan]

So they broke up.

[Jordan]

In the flashback, there's really no recogn reconciling those two. You can't do both.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Car pulls up, expects it to be her.

[Alex Jones]

Boom.

[Dan]

Blows up.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

Car blows up.

[Jordan]

Ah, that's so exciting.

[Dan]

So the coroner comes, and the cops and all them. And they. They're like, we're gonna have a funeral tomorrow.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

So they have a funeral. Yeah. He's leaving the funeral. Who's in the backseat but his ex.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

Turns out her roommate was supposed to go pick up MacGyver because she was scared for her own safety.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

They killed the roommate.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But the ashes and all the remains were so burn, they thought it was her.

[Jordan]

I understand for, on a. From a story perspective why that works, but if you look at it from perspective of the roommate, this woman is scared for her own life. So she's sending the roommate in her car. The car that presumably would be the murder spot.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Which suggests that she was kind of setting her friend up to be murdered. Right. Like her friend. Like a poison tester.

[Dan]

Don't get me wrong, she carries some guilt for this.

[Jordan]

I would hope so.

[Dan]

Some guilt.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, yeah, she and MacGyver have to go back to the power plant, the processing plant, get the evidence. But then, of course, Robert England reveals that he is a bad guy.

[Jordan]

He's the most likely to succeed at killing you.

[Dan]

And he's working with the sheriff of the town. I think they're gonna go to Canada and sell the. Why not sell the uranium to somebody? But the uranium is still on the premises. It hasn't been taken out yet. So wise, right?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We could solve this thing. Yeah. In a gun battle. Gunplay.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't do that. At a nuclear facility.

[Dan]

One of them ends up shooting the console, like the control.

[Jordan]

See, that's why you don't have a gun battle there.

[Dan]

Meltdown.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Dan]

Meltdown starts.

[Jordan]

I mean. Yes.

[Dan]

So MacGyver and his ex have to climb up to the top of the building and crank some water in order to cool the power plant so it doesn't melt down.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They succeed in doing that and then realize, hey, we're pretty good. We could have made it. But we can't go back in time.

[Jordan]

Star Crossed lovers.

[Dan]

I've got to go back to my life. You got to go back to yours.

[Jordan]

Casablanca style.

[Dan]

Yep. But they do kiss quite a bit.

[Jordan]

Casablanca style.

[Dan]

Yeah. So that was. That was nice. That was my Valentine's day. Is watching MacGyver rekindle an old flame.

[Jordan]

Nice. I would have. I would have preferred if in some form or fashion, MacGyver had used very close by tools to fix the entire nuclear reactor.

[Dan]

Well, he kind of did.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So what happened was there was a. He was using a wrench. Sure. To screw off this giant bolt that was like, not letting water through or something.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

But the. The wrench gets tossed aside.

[Alex Jones]

Uh. Oh, no. What am I gonna do?

[Jordan]

MacGyver this.

[Dan]

So there's a gun, and he grabs the gun, knocks the. The barrel out. Okay. And he uses that as a wrench.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's nice.

[Dan]

Uses the gun as a wrench.

[Jordan]

Good job.

[Dan]

Yeah. That saves the day.

[Jordan]

That is. That's your. Is there like a little tally for the MacGyvering of the day kind of thing? You know, like. Because it's. It's very clear that there's a thing where it's like, well, MacGyver's not just gonna use a wrench.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

All right. He's just not gonna use a fucking wrench. So we gotta have a MacGyver moment there.

[Dan]

And it's a fun irony, because he hates guns and he has to use this gun as a wrench in order to solve the problem. It's. It's layers, man.

[Jordan]

Ah ha. The tool of my enemy is my tool.

[Dan]

Now, one of the things I did enjoy about this is the heavy lore implications. Like, this episode was full of like. Okay, now you can't go back on this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

MacGyver dated this woman in college, and he was on the science team with Robert England.

[Jordan]

Yep. Does Robert England die?

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, he dies. He dies vindicated. He realizes the error of his ways.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And helps them stop the meltdown. And dies in the process. So he's, you know, he dies a hero.

[Jordan]

I get that. I would have preferred he be the MacGyver to MacGyver. You know what I mean? Like the second best MacGyver, but evil.

[Dan]

Hear me out on this, all right? Nuclear meltdown.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You send him in to do a job that is certain death. Sure. He gets burned like crazy, comes out with knife hands.

[Jordan]

Oh, hell yeah. Now, Freddy, now we're talking. Now we're talking.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yes, yes. Absolutely.

[Dan]

Wasted opportunity.

[Jordan]

Why do we not have a time machine to solve so many problems? That aren't anybody else's problem.

[Dan]

I was looking at the credits of this, like, as he was starting up, and it was like, Robert England. I'm like, all right. Yeah, didn't disappoint. I love that show. Can't wait to watch more of it. It's just the best. So, Jordan, we've got an episode to go over today that is not the best. Okay, we're back to the present day and a little bit of a special event, and we'll talk about here in a second. But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Dan, if you're getting into hiking, goose down jackets are the best for cold weather, and synthetics are the best for cold, rainy weather. Also wear a base layer. Love the show, jb. Thank you so much. You're now Policy Wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. Thank you, Dan and Jordan, for keeping my wife and our serial killer dog sane. Thank you as much. You're not a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And I ran the NYC marathon and earned my fourth world marathon Major star. And I want Steve Pachanik to tell me to go home and tell my mother I'm brilliant. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

And we got a technocrat at the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to. My nickname in high school was the Bed Slayer, but unfortunately not for the reason you might think. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Alex Jones]

Someone. Someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

[Jordan]

He's a loser.

[Alex Jones]

Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Do you. When you hear something like that, do you instantly start asking, like, well, what is the reason for this person's nickname?

[Jordan]

No, I immediately invent a reason. And so my reason instantly was this man took out a Bedouin tribe.

[Dan]

Okay, that's interesting. My reaction to it is good, obviously. Sure, it's Bed Slayer, but not the reason.

[Jordan]

Not the reason, which means I. Presumably sex.

[Dan]

To me, I say, fine. Yeah, I don't need to know the reason.

[Jordan]

I don't need to know the reason either. I like to have the reason, though.

[Dan]

You've. You've created your own.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Dan]

That's nice.

[Jordan]

I think. I mean, he's not a nice person because he's murdered a Bedouin tribe.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But I mean, that would be a. You know, a different.

[Dan]

So today, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We have an episode. All right. Talk about. Well, let me take you back. Let me take you back away. Okay. There was a time, maybe 2018ish. Sure. When Alex had been kicked off of all media.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

He went to talk in a hotel room with a fella. He got very drunk.

[Jordan]

Life's very fragile.

[Dan]

Explained to him that life was very fragile. Yeah. And we thought it was very funny. And it was very funny.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

To the point where I got a tattoo. You did. Based on a line from that interview.

[Jordan]

With a big Apple bite.

[Dan]

Well, it just so happens that Alex made a return appearance with Patrick Bet David.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And so felt like, hey, let's. Let's check in on this pd, pt, do p. Whatever.

[Alex Jones]

Pd yeah.

[Jordan]

There we go.

[Dan]

Maybe we'll get another tattoo out of this. Yeah, I'm on a tat run.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. I'm down for it.

[Dan]

Maybe we can find some quote in here.

[Jordan]

One arm is your PBD arm.

[Dan]

No, I will not.

[Alex Jones]

I will.

[Dan]

There's something funny about that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I know.

[Dan]

I don't know how I. What? What's a multi level marketing tattoo like? Can I get a tattoo that sells you tattoos?

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. It's a tattoo that convinces me to sign up other people to get tattoos. To sell tattoos for you.

[Dan]

That would be perfect.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that would be nice.

[Dan]

So we start off here, and both of them have laryngitis and their voices are fucked.

[Jordan]

We can do this later. We can do this next week. There is no.

[Dan]

There's a. Alex flew in for this. No, they can't. All right. But they all. They sound like shit.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So. You know, today's podcast is a special one because never in the history of my life have I started a podcast with taking a shot of olive oil. But we did that today together.

[Alex Jones]

We both showed up, not even know we both have a little bit of laryngitis. And I was like, that's crazy. I just flew in from Texas yesterday and boom. I said, frank, snipers said drink olive oil. We took a small shot and knocked about halfway out.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, it actually worked. It actually worked. But I want to start off with the podcast because you and I, the first time we did the podcast was, I want to say, 9, 10, 20, 18. Came to Austin. That Legendary conversation. I want to show a clip of the most insightful moment of our podcast, if you don't mind.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Okay. You shared it with me yesterday. I think the audience has to see this. Rob, I texted it to you. If you can pull it up. You saved it a minute ago.

[Alex Jones]

And my pot belly.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, well, listen, this. Rob, I literally texted it to you right before we went live, and you pulled it up. There you go. Okay, so this is. It doesn't get more insightful than this. Can you play it up? Rob, go back. Watch this, folks.

[Alex Jones]

Patriot. Patriot. Vampire. Nationalist. Mental. Retard. Eugenicist. A scared man. Really?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Really? Retard.

[Alex Jones]

Retard. Traitor.

[Dan]

So the meme they're playing is Alex saying all these people are patriots and vampires, but with Mario characters flashing on the screen. So, like, Mario's a patriot.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Right?

[Dan]

You know?

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

Most of it's pretty normal stuff. Like, he says the. Those bad things about Bowser and the villains in the game. He calls Mario patriot.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But some of the choices are weird. Like, Princess Peach is called a eugenicist, and I'm not totally sure why.

[Jordan]

Interesting.

[Dan]

I don't know if she's turning everyone into toadstools.

[Jordan]

I was gonna say, does she grow the people?

[Dan]

Maybe. Maybe that's what it's supposed to evoke.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's possible.

[Dan]

But more troubling is that he calls Donkey Kong a scared man. Donkey Kong isn't scared of shit.

[Jordan]

No, Donkey Kong does not have fear.

[Dan]

This meme is bullshit, man. They should have used Lakitu as the scared one. He's hiding up in the cloud all the time, throwing things at you.

[Jordan]

Yep, he's scared. Lakitu. That 100% works.

[Dan]

I'm not sure why, but he calls Waluigi a traitor, which kind of would imply that he's turned on Wario. He's not a traitor.

[Jordan]

He's a bad guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just a villain. So you can't be a traitor to being a vill villain if you maintain your villain status.

[Dan]

Right. And Waluigi's backstory isn't fleshed out enough for us to know if he turned on Mario.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. Or if he betrayed Luigi and joined Wario. But that would be a very strange.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know, who knows?

[Dan]

He calls Yoshi a nationalist, which kind of makes sense because he famously has his own island. But we've never really had any reason to believe that Yoshi is, like, concerned with borders and, like, immigration and stuff. To Yoshi'.

[Jordan]

Very friendly to all to all.

[Dan]

Yeah. Even baby Bowser a little bit.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

I like that King Boo and Kirby are the ones that get called a vampire. But Kirby really shouldn't be in there. All the characters in the meme are from Mario games except Kirby. And then later, he says, link. Link pops up when Alex says next level. I would have solved this by replacing Kirby with another Mario enemy who's known to suck Mario into their mouths or to bite him. The piranha plant would have been good here. Or even Birdo. Birdo would be a great option here, and it wouldn't break the canon of the meme. Hell, in the new Mario, Kart, Waluigi has a literal vampire outfit, so that could have worked.

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, I feel like the. The plant even has two big teeth. Like, the plant is already there. The plant is right in the wheelhouse for vampiring.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I would replace Link as next level with either Mario with a wingsuit or the flag that's at the end of every level. The little flag and castle.

[Jordan]

I could do that.

[Dan]

Yeah, that next level, that kind of works.

[Jordan]

For that, I would even go with tanuki suit.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anything that allows him to fly, really. So this is really the problem with memes. They're lazy. And if the person making them just gave it a little more thought, they could create something way better. It's an entire medium that just isn't based on trying to create something great. It's about making something that's good enough for people to repost and then forget about. And because of that dynamic, it's kind of a perfect delivery system for Alex's dumb shit. And why they would start out this episode like, oh, is this an insightful moment? Yeah, it's perfect for them.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It really should be the signal that we don't need to do this. Like, there's. There's no reason. Like, everybody watching should. Should be like, okay, first things first. You sound like shit. Second things, you're playing this clip that shows that whatever happens after this is dumb. This is going to be dumb. You started it dumb. It's your idea for it to be dumb.

[Dan]

Yeah. And, like, I hate to, like, keep sticking on this meme, but, like, Kirby, if you're gonna include Kirby and Link, there are better choices for, like, trader or eugenicist in the Nintendo canon. You could choose better options. You could throw Ganondorf in there somewhere.

[Jordan]

Once you have opened it up past the Mario universe.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Then you're in the Nintendo universe, which means you should have either more variety or no variety.

[Dan]

Right. There's no reason we need to call a goomba the R word. Yeah. You know, like, you can. You could broaden this to be much.

[Jordan]

There's no reason we needed to use those words anyways.

[Dan]

No, that's true.

[Jordan]

What are you going to do?

[Dan]

So anyway, do better. Meme makers. Yeah, but they get to actual conversation. And obviously the thing on everyone's mind at this time is the new Epstein stuff.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Let's start off with Epstein is what I want to get right into. So your open, you know, unfiltered analysis of what you think happened yesterday with Pam Bondi's hearing.

[Alex Jones]

Bondi is not even a bad person, but we knew when she first got in. She's a talking head. There's so much complexity going on in the doj. That's why she came out at first and said, oh, yeah, we have all these millions of files and hundreds of kids getting raped and it's Epstein doing it. And then later we learned she was told that, and then she has to reverse it and say, well, actually, that's not what it is. It was a bunch of child porn. So. So we don't really know the truth about all that because there's so much over the almost 20 years of investigations about Epstein that's been slurped up. And also last year, they had a. Last two years a hotline where anybody could just call in to the FBI or just send in paperwork, and any of that gets thrown in there. So that's why Trump is in there about a million times.

[Dan]

But Pam Bondi has made an absolute joke out of her investigation of the Epstein case, including a ton of PR stunts that Alex has enjoyed and played along with. When all the right wing media dipshits were at the White House getting fake binders of hot new intel that turned out to be old, that was a pretty fun time for all of them. Alex hates what Pam Bondi is doing now because it's very unpopular with the base, and if the base goes away, then forget about ever winning another election. The GOP essentially has destroyed itself, so it could be reborn in service of worshiping Trump. So if that falls apart, don't expect them to just start getting really excited about some other Republican. It's not gonna work. They're gonna be disillusioned.

[Jordan]

Hmm.

[Dan]

The Trump audience is a conspiratorial audience. And if you aren't careful in how you manage that kind of an audience, that conspiratorial attention will end up being pointed at you, which is what's happening now. Bondi has mishandled the Epstein stuff so badly that it's led to a not insignificant number of Trump's fans. Considering the poss. Trump's been the deep state the whole time, and it's inevitable what's going to happen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex, he has to deal with a certain amount of his audience being like, my God, you work for the globalists.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like that's. That's just a part of the game.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And now it's just becoming too big to ignore and they're, you know, in charge of the government.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, historically, whenever you have a openly fascist government that realizes that it can't maintain power through one form, it tries to maintain power through another form.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

And if elections aren't going to work, I bet they'll just give up.

[Dan]

I bet. So Alex is right on a certain level here, though, in that it's very difficult to discern what's real and what's out of context. In almost all of the public conversations about the new Epstein disclosures, social media has been awash with fake screenshots and a lot of real ones that are being presented with no context or inaccurate context being added to it. There's also a lot of horrible shit that's real and in proper context. But when the water is so polluted with bullshit, it's very hard for someone who's just trying to live their lives to take the time to know the difference.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And there's a lot of people who are exploiting that in a way that, you know, it's. It's monstrous.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, the move, of course, is try and stay out of the Epstein files, or if you're in the Epstein files, try and keep people from seeing that you're in the Epstein files. But if you have lost those two options, the next move is everybody is now in the Epstein files. Everybody.

[Dan]

And it doesn't mean anything.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

And that is really. That's a really dangerous place for us to get to once.

[Jordan]

Once we're, like, unable. Like, that's the problem with the Epstein files, is that if you're going to release them, it should be released the same day you arrest the people in the files. It needs to be like a surprise attack. Right. Because if we get used to it, the longer it goes with no consequences, the more everybody gets inured to the idea of even giving them consequences. So it's like, well, I guess just because you were in the Epstein files, I guess that doesn't mean anything now, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah. And cynicism takes over and you're like, well, nothing ever will happen.

[Alex Jones]

Right?

[Dan]

Yeah, it's just, it's really bad. This is handled about as poorly as it can be from a government standpoint, from a cultural standpoint. And there's gonna be consequences.

[Jordan]

Yes, there will, But I don't know who they will be for. My guess is the poor.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex just lies straight to Patrick's face? A fair amount, but. Good. No, not good.

[Alex Jones]

I'm also not an apologist for her. The DOJ has handled this totally horribly and they've taken something where it's. The Democrats are known for sexualizing children. Drag queen, story time, all of it. It's the Democrats, you know, in California, lowering age of consent, you know, to 12 year olds. Now it's only a misdemeanor. Two days in jail if you rape a kid down to 12. I mean, literally.

[Patrick Bet-David]

And somehow, is that really the law?

[Alex Jones]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And now they've somehow turned it around where the Republican Party is the pedophile protection party.

[Dan]

Well, because of your actions.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Alex is just lying about this law in California. And this would be a great opportunity for Patrick to press on with his questions. His instinct was to ask a follow up because this sounds insane and Alex is committed to his claim. The thing to do here, if this was a sincere interview, would be to look this up and then ask Alex why he's lying about it. It within minutes of this interview beginning. Alex has shown that he's willing to make things up and double down on them when he's called on a lie. And this is just sitting here in Patrick's lap. If he wanted to expose Alex, he would, but he's not because they're business partners.

[Jordan]

Now is that true? Is Princess Peach a eugenicist? Right. That's how you started, you started your show where you're going to say Alex is telling the truth by showing a meme where he's clearly full of shit. Amazing.

[Dan]

Calling people vampires.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Ridiculous.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. And I think it's a disgrace. And given the kind of subject matter that they're covering. It's. It's just this is making a joke of this stuff and it's unacceptable.

[Jordan]

Yeah. What they've done, what they've done with what is clearly one of the worst elite crimes, crime rings, conspiracies, everything. One of the worst things that we've ever seen. To have it be less than the worst thing we've ever seen is offensive.

[Dan]

Right. You know, and I think that if this were true that you could Rape a child up to the age of 12.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And it be two days and a misdemeanor, then everybody should be burning down every building in California.

[Jordan]

We'd all be fine with it too. Everybody wouldn't be like, oh, oh, how can, can you believe they do that? We'd be like, oh, they're okay with that? Then burn them down.

[Dan]

Yeah, the government is no longer functional.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, get them. Get him out of here.

[Alex Jones]

Be gone.

[Dan]

It's so, it's so offensive. Anyway, Epstein mostly just was like, he was hanging out with Dems. Yeah, it was mostly just the Dems. This is a partisan issue.

[Alex Jones]

Somehow the Democrats have turned this all the way around and conservatives are demanding, yeah, Trump, you're covering it up, release it all. And that needs to be looked at. But we need to have the main focus, beyond the admitted stuff that's in all of this. Bill Gates, all of it, the Democrats, the leftist, all these top billionaires that have hated Trump. This is cut and dry. But, but somehow it's all been turned around against Trump. And a lot of that's because the mishandling of Trump come out saying it's all a hoax. And then Roger Stoneman talked to him and said, no, sir, you mean the stuff about you being involved as a hoax? Yeah, that's what I meant. But still, a few days ago, Pam Bondi said, we're moving on at the White House. Well, the rest of us aren't moving on. And so they are implicating themselves, even though I've researched it up one side, down the other, and there's very little bad stuff Republicans are in there doing. Epstein was mainly a Democrat, you know, leftist system. That's why he's allied with all these leftist politicians in Europe that are having to resign in the UK and, and, and Europe profit proper. So, so I'm just calling like it is. If I find something with Republicans or if I find something that they're doing, I'll go after him. But so far we found almost nothing except for the old Republican Party where Epstein originally got launched from. Then he became an operative the Democrats. And if you want, I can do some of the background history on that. Why I was the first report on Epstein 18 years ago.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's good.

[Dan]

Do you want me to lie to you? Because I can tell you about how I was the first person who covered lie all day. Yeah, yeah, man. So if he sees, if he sees Republicans, he's. He'll call it. He'll call it out. By that, he means he'll make Excuses.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think a measure of like, if I were talking to anybody who I disagree with politically, a measure of rationality or like a sign that we're able to have a conversation would be like just saying, hey, everybody in the list can go fuck off and die. Everybody. I don't give a shit. You know, except for the fake lies or whatever. You know what I'm saying? But like there's no partisan. I have no partisan. I don't give a fuck who it is. I don't care what they believe. Get them the fuck out of here. And everybody should agree with that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Unless they're in there, I think.

[Dan]

Well, yeah. And I think that sincere actors in commentary. Yeah. Or in media would agree with that. And Alex is not that.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

And again, it's a disservice to the subject that he's pretending to care about. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

So he says that like old Republicans, the old gop, they're the only people who are, you know, like no true Scotsman. Yeah, yeah. But then I didn't know this till.

[Alex Jones]

The Bannon interview came out. That was not released by Bannon, but was in the. The Epstein files. The two hour interview from 2000. Was it 17 or 18? Everybody's got to watch it because I thought, oh, this is be boring. I watched it. My mouth was hanging open. I knew that, that Epstein was part of the trial commission. But that's like saying you're the head of, you know, valuetainment and then you've got, you know, a secretary or something, you know, that's important. But they're not the head of it. I thought, okay, he, he must have. I always heard he was in the trial commission. No, I'm watching that show, that interview. And he's like, no. David Rockefeller approached me to be his right hand man for systems analysis. Since I can integrate all these systems together and because they had too many experts at just one level. And he knew about my work, you know, with some other groups being the CIA. So he brought me in to be his representative. And so they put him on the board of the Trilateral Commission, which is one of the most powerful globalist elite super organizational systems precursor to the World Economic Forum. So Larry thinks ahead of the World Economic Forum today was Klaus Schwab. It's equivalent of him of a 30 year old being on the board of the WEF today. Okay. Which has co voting rights with the UN. So he is the protege and attache and basically Imperial legate. That's a Roman term for someone that can speak for the Emperor David Rockefeller set up the un, set up the modern globalist system. He's on record doing it all. Here is a 30 year old man that is literally given the control, the fly around the world. And he is the representative of David Rockefeller.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He's saying this in the Steve Bannon interview.

[Alex Jones]

He is. But then here's what I didn't just believe Jeffrey Epstein. I already knew. He, I went and looked all this up and it's all public.

[Dan]

So this is another great opportunity for Patrick to continue down a line of follow up questions. And as an interviewer who's covering material like this, I believe he has a responsibility to do that. You can't just allow Alex to make whatever claims he wants and just be like, oh my God, wow. Yep, it's, it's irresponsible. Alex is claiming that in the Bannon interview that was recently released, Epstein says that he was on the board of the Trilateral Commission and was given the power to speak for David. David Rockefeller. This is an outright lie. And if you take the time to watch the interview, you would know exactly what this lie is based on. Epstein discusses being put on the board of the Rockefeller University, not by David Rockefeller, though the school is named after his family. Bannon is surprised by this because it's a prestigious research university and Epstein wasn't a guy from some aristocratic family, so it's strange that he'd be given this position at a young age. Epstein tries to explain why he was qualified for the position. Like, I understand money in a way that other people don't. Systems, blah, Right, right, right.

[Jordan]

I'm a con man.

[Dan]

Later, Epstein is discussing being invited to join the Trilateral Commission, partially because he and David Rockefeller hit it off as friends. He doesn't say that he was put on the board. And Alex is intentionally conflating these two things in order to sell a conspiracy narrative around this. Patrick has the instinct to say, hold on, is that true? But then as soon as the person lying to him reassures him that they're not lying, he just gives up. At best he's an incompetent interviewer selling a liar to his audience, and at worst he's complicit and only pretending to push back on Alex's claims in order to make it look like they stand up to scrutiny when they're bullshit. Yeah. Also another good follow up question might be that Alex has claimed that Epstein mostly worked with Democrats. But then we have an example of him being interviewed by Trump's former campaign manager and senior counselor. Well, that was not an adversarial interview that they did. If you go and watch it, the two of them seem to be pretty friendly. And it's clearly meant to make Epstein look good, which is a big part of why I'm not playing clips from it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You can find it on YouTube. Like, I'm not playing them because I think he comes off quite well, honestly.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

Because of the way that Bannon is trying to present this.

[Jordan]

He's a con man. Psychopath. Of course he comes off quite well. The reason he got to where he got was because he comes off well.

[Dan]

Yeah. And Bannon is creating a framework and he's asking questions in such a way as to allow him to use those skills.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's. It's manipulative. Yeah. But, yeah, Alex is just lying about this shit. And Patrick either doesn't know or doesn't care.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's the most effective. It's the most effective two man game in this kind of thing to have somebody who is. Is at the very least credible enough to say, like, hold on, I'm skeptical. While at the same time credulous enough to be like, I can't believe you proved to be right.

[Alex Jones]

How.

[Jordan]

How great are you?

[Dan]

You know, lie to me one more time.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

And that's let me know it's real.

[Jordan]

But that's so effective for people because that one touch of skepticism that they overcome gets people on board before they ask the second question. Yeah. That's why it's your responsibility to ask the second question. Otherwise you're on the team.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know otherwise. Yeah. You're part of the fraud.

[Jordan]

You're first and second banana here.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex, he's talking about how Epstein's like, it's not even. Like, it's not even about any of the things that we think it's about. It's about, like, black magic and secret societies. I was listening to this. I'm like, God damn it. We're just gonna go back to Mystery Babylon. We're just doing this again.

[Alex Jones]

People found videos now, 18 years old. They're posted right now on Infowars.com today, where I'm saying, no, it's a cult. It's Satanism. It's black magic. This is what they really do. Because it's not just Epstein, it's the people up above him to be able to do the horrible stuff they do. They have worldviews and world models that we're just animals, that we need to be sacrificed, that they're the Uber mention because they're willing to do this. We're weak. They're not. And so you have to understand, this is a standardized system. Before they called it mind control, before they called it intelligence agencies, before they called it that, they called it secret societies. And really all secret societies have been. Some have been good, some bad, somebody mixed. But the bad ones, the dark ones, as they call the occult ones, the hidden ones, they have always used torture and drugs and sex and what you'd call mind control. Trauma based mind control.

[Dan]

All right, man.

[Jordan]

Whereas the good ones have only somewhat used torture and mind control because there's still secret societies. You know, you can't not use torture in mind.

[Dan]

No, no, no. They use free will.

[Jordan]

I don't know. Then why be a secret society? You could just be a regular society.

[Dan]

It's more fun.

[Jordan]

That actually is a good argument. Yeah, it is more fun. It is more fun. That's fair. That's fair. I'll take that.

[Dan]

Look, I went. I went on a hike this past weekend because it was warming up here in Chicago.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And I went to a place that was pretty close because I got my shit together to go a little bit later in the day than I wanted to.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And so, like, an hour and a half drive or whatever was probably not gonna do it.

[Jordan]

That's gonna be a ways.

[Dan]

So I went to someplace pretty, like a bit closer to the house. And, you know, it sucked.

[Jordan]

It's not as much fun.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because I'm walking past a highway.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I'm walking. I'm on the trail. The North Branch Trail.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it goes through, like a neighborhood. And I'm like, I don't feel outside of civilization.

[Jordan]

The point is not to be outside. The point is to. I don't need the being.

[Dan]

That's what the secret society is.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's fair.

[Dan]

You don't want to see the houses and the roads and all that stuff.

[Jordan]

I mean, I get it, but it's real tough to. To not listen. Right. You start out a secret society for fun. It's hard not to veer into torture and mind control. The moment you secret society. The moment you're kind of like, well, we're kind of into it already.

[Dan]

Right. You know, and for me, that is. It's tough to not look at deer. I ran into more deer.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Dan]

Even though this was pretty close.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, if you're gonna. You're gonna go out and you're gonna walk on these trails, you're gonna see some Fucking deer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Saw four of them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

No antlers this time, so I wasn't scared. Anyway, Alex is a piece of shit.

[Jordan]

Yes, yes.

[Dan]

And I know there have already been like concrete examples of him just lying about direct things.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

To Patrick's face. But there conceptually are a few things that are like, oh, my God, you are the fucking worst. And here is one of them where he's expressing that a number of the victims were actually perpetrators.

[Alex Jones]

Tell everybody that it's far worse than 14 year old girls. They've just focused on them. Because here's the thing, I'm not against these women. They are victims. They were under Stockholm syndrome. But Elon Musk is right. Here's the big secret what everybody, when you're growing up, tell you what, the FBI's putting bulletins, you know, ice cream truck pulls up, there's a kid in the back, I got a puppy, come see the toy. They use kids, the other kids, the women that they've, you know, settled with and then the victims and all this stuff. Almost all of them are the women that ended up working for Epstein for.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Years and years and years recruiting other young girls to come to them. 200 bucks. 100 bucks.

[Alex Jones]

Absolutely.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Get paid.

[Alex Jones]

Absolutely. Some were bought at age. This is public at age 9 or 10 from their Eastern European parents, flown here and, and, and then worked for him for decades. And so. Exactly. They're the ones that manage and run the women. And so when you see these women up there, you have to understand that in many cases you're looking at people that for five years, 10 years worked for Epstein and we're part of it. But see, that's how they stop it. Those women then tell a limited story about what was going on. But then you read the names of some of the women. They're in all the emails preparing the beef jerky, walking the beef jerky up. They're in the things, preparing it to be sent to the labs. So to be broken down and sent to people. Let's get into the IV bags. They're, they're, I'm not trying to put these women down. It's just saying. Notice in the hearing yesterday or two days ago, they asked Bondi, they said, have you ever interviewed any of these women? And. And she goes, I don't know.

[Patrick Bet-David]

So they asked, can you play the clip, Rob? I'll find it.

[Alex Jones]

And they asked the women, and none of them ever been talked to. But if you look, a couple of women in there were actually girlfriends after they were adults and worked for Epstein. For over a decade. And it turns out, worked for George Soros. So, see, I'm not trying to demonize the women. I'm just saying it's, it's. What you're seeing is not what you're actually getting here. Okay. And so it doesn't, it doesn't go down to all the kids that got eaten. Doesn't go down. All the kids that got strangled and thrown.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Some of these girls that are up there, you're saying worked for Soros.

[Alex Jones]

One of them. I can pull it up. Currently does. On the tides.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Play the clip, Rob.

[Dan]

So I, I'm going to put this as simply as I can, and that is that Alex doesn't have the maturity to discuss these kinds of issues. He absolutely cannot grasp what's being discussed. And he is a disgusting monster when he tries. Yep. Now, on a much more simple level, Alex is absolutely attacking Epstein victims here that he's saying, I don't want to demonize these people.

[Jordan]

I don't know how you could say, like the idea of just saying, well, I'm not demonizing the women. It doesn't count if you've just demonized them. Yes, it doesn't count.

[Dan]

He's saying that they're speaking out as part of a limited hangout operation meant to obscure the deeper, darker stuff about kids being eaten. Hmm. If you're to believe what Alex is saying, that by definition, you have to believe that these victims are willing participants in a cover up. They're only telling their stories publicly because doing so helps cover up the worst stuff, which they ostensibly are getting paid for. Like, to cover this. This is crisis actor stuff all over again.

[Jordan]

100%.

[Dan]

This is monster behavior. But it's entirely in line with the way that Alex operates. The only thing that matters is the narrative that he's pushing. And all the people who get caught in the mix are just props. He's willing to make child trafficking victims the villains if he thinks that doing so is gonna make it easier for Trump to look good.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And like, I was, I was legit. Like, I can't believe you would do this. I get a lot of the ways that Alex lies and shit, but I think that, I don't know, trying to put a target on Epstein victims, I.

[Jordan]

Mean, I, I pretty low. I imagine so many people who believe themselves devout Christians, you know, and who are living through this time period, who will eventually go to their pearly gates and have St. Peter just fucking laugh at them. Like, dude, you carried so much water for Epstein. What, what, what do you Think you're getting in here? Are you crazy?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Look at how much water you carried for Epstein.

[Dan]

But here's the issue. I don't even think like, let's take carrying water for Epstein out of the fucking equation. Sure. You can do that without also demonizing the victims.

[Jordan]

You sure?

[Dan]

Absolutely. That to me, I think whoever's letting people in or out of heaven would take much more issue.

[Jordan]

Alex isn't getting an interview. Alex isn't getting an audition, buddy. He's going straight down.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

We don't need to worry about that.

[Dan]

No, man. He's gotta go to someplace weirder than hell. Like hell Seems too predictable.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, the human brain can eventually equalize to anything.

[Dan]

Like, you know, it's a fire.

[Jordan]

Sooner or later you're like, literally. I don't even have any nerves to burn.

[Dan]

He lives in Austin. It's hot there. Like, come on.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He needs to go to some sort of clown planet.

[Dan]

Yeah. Crazy hell. So Alex is somewhat complaining about the Epstein victims being involved in a cover up, which.

[Jordan]

Which listening to is horrific.

[Dan]

And it's also weird that he's fine with Trump being involved in the COVID up. Great.

[Alex Jones]

And that's what Trump should be pointing out. You're the Pinot party. You're the sexualized kids party. It's all the Democrats that are in these files. But because there are so many big bankers and British royalty and all of it he has been told. That's what I was told again. I've said this probably a hundred times. I said, Trump has been convinced that it will crash the economy of all these bankers and people if this stuff comes out and he thinks injustifies the means. It's too dangerous. And look, Trump, I'm not pushing this. I'm saying, let's look at his perspective.

[Jordan]

The carbon tax, which is my perspective.

[Alex Jones]

Made by top experts, they put them in, in the next decade to kill 2 billion people by starvation or war. Okay, Trump just got us out of the Paris Accord. They've secured the border. They found half of the 500,000 missing children. They've got no tax on tips. The economy is starting to turn around. It goes on and on and on and on and on. Getting men out of women's sports, exposing that's okay.

[Jordan]

Then he should be covering up pedophiles. Men aren't in women's sports.

[Alex Jones]

I want Trump to succeed, but he has to understand that this has become a litmus test.

[Patrick Bet-David]

They're not going to win here if they continue going this way. If they continue fighting Opening it up. This is just going to make it seem like they're hiding something more and more and more. So what should they do? Should they release the whole thing? Well, what is the right move to make here? And by the way, before you answer that question, guys, you've been asking this for a long time. It's official. Alex Jones is on Manect. You can officially ask him any questions on Manect.

[Dan]

As soon as I saw that Alex was going to be on Patrick's show, I knew that part of it was going to be an announcement that Alex was on Manect. We discussed this a little back on the episode where Patrick had Nick Fuentes on. But Manect is his platform that allows you to. To reach out to experts to give you advice for exorbitant rates.

[Jordan]

Right. Doesn't he charge like $10,000 an hour?

[Dan]

$48,000 for a half hour.

[Jordan]

See, I was so unreasonable to my extent. I didn't even imagine the truth.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it's obvious that no one is paying that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The only people who are stupid enough to pay that kind of a rate for someone like Patrick bet David's time is not. They're not going to be able to afford it. And anyone who can afford it could probably talk to him because they're really rich and they would be able to get a. With him.

[Jordan]

Yeah, our. What was it that you said? Like, it's just money laundering. Yes, for sure. Money laundering.

[Dan]

I think that. Well, my first thought, in the most benign version.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is that Patrick charges that much because he doesn't even want to go on anyone's show.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

And so you have this platform where some dipshit who no one's ever heard of can charge 20 bucks to go on a podcast or something, and then you take a little cut. Yeah, yeah. And then you don't have to go on any of the podcasts yourself because it's 50 grand.

[Jordan]

It's not at all like a multi level marketing scheme. Yes, not at all.

[Dan]

Like, not at all.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Dan]

But the more I thought about it, the more. Like, this is perfect for money laundering.

[Jordan]

It's the greatest money laundering scam you can have.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It allows you to have this platform where you can pay large amounts of money to people for essentially nothing. And it looks legit.

[Jordan]

It looks so legit. It's almost like some kind of rich backer could just give a bunch of money through this platform that wouldn't be traceable unless you were already investigating them for a different crime.

[Dan]

Yeah, yep. Consulting and advice Type shit like, this isn't always a scam, but it works great for that. I'm sure that some of the people who have Minecht accounts, like, for them, it's just a situation where they're too racist or not famous enough to be on cameo. So, like, I bet that they aren't getting money funneled to them through this.

[Jordan]

Right, Right.

[Dan]

But I bet a deep audit would reveal fraud. I mean, I'm almost certain it would be.

[Jordan]

If. If it wasn't, I would actually be mad at them. They should be committing fraud with this setup.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And I was looking at their leaderboards, which I don't know how much this reflects reality.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

But Patrick bet David is one of the highest used.

[Jordan]

50,000 for a half hour. And he's regularly used.

[Dan]

Well, I don't know if the number that got him to the point on the leaderboard is those interviews or, like, you know, a couple thousand dollars for a text message from him or whatever.

[Alex Jones]

Like, I.

[Dan]

But whatever it is, it's too much.

[Jordan]

Yikes.

[Dan]

I'm. I'm sure there's fraud.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And this next clip also kind of made me think that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Oh, yeah, you guys may have stories of Epstein angles, other questions, things you want to share with them, you can officially manact them. Go ahead, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

By the way, that's a cool service for me to do that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I know. You couldn't. I. It's. It's in a better place now.

[Alex Jones]

Absolutely. Absolutely. So, did I answer your last question?

[Patrick Bet-David]

No.

[Dan]

Alex couldn't before. Huh. That's interesting.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What was the couldn't?

[Jordan]

Well, it was probably because at the time, his income would have gone to other people.

[Dan]

Huh.

[Jordan]

So maybe now he's got an arrangement where his. The income that he would make from this wouldn't go to those people who maybe he owes a lot of money to.

[Dan]

Maybe he's gotten, like, everything with Big Lee set up and, like, it could be an extension of his big league.

[Jordan]

Maybe it's not really under his name.

[Dan]

Maybe.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Dan]

Anyway, doesn't seem shady.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

So Alex starts talking more shit about the victims. Sure, why not?

[Alex Jones]

We're here. It's not like if they had targets they could get or even a few of their own people they could sacrifice. They do it. They know it's a giant mess of BS and crap. And then the women that are the victims and the survivors, almost all of them were, you know, got. Got into it, and that's how it worked. And we're actually madams, you know, out running these operations. And now they've been recruited, staffed up by the Democrats and are now on the payroll. That way all the Democrats that are in there can be protected by the witnesses. Oh, we're not gonna talk about kids disappearing or beef jerky. We're not gonna talk about one piece of pizza that's glowing and loving and you're gonna love it for seven people. People we're not going to talk about. Oh, we'll deliver the.

[Patrick Bet-David]

These aren't the files.

[Alex Jones]

Oh yes, we'll deliver the 7, 9 and 12 year old to the hot tub for your entertainment, Mr. Podesta. But remember, they're children, but they're well trained. But you gotta. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it's not just. It's also in the WikiLeaks files. So all the same crap is in there. That is in here.

[Dan]

Alex has almost no awareness of what's in the Epstein files that got released. And one of the big tells is how much he needs to rely on old memories of pizzags in order to fill out these rants. And the tranche of Epstein emails that got released. There was one that was discussing beef jerky, which idiots like Alex have decided must be about cannibalism. The justification for this is that the person emailing with Epstein discusses freezing the meat, which social media dipshits pointed out isn't done when you're making jerky, you just leave it out at room temperature and let it dry. We've all seen alone. The issue here is that that isn't true and that you can freeze meat as part of the jerky process, particularly when you're trying to make higher quality jerky. Sure. Also, these are emails between Epstein and a professional chef. So this is fucking stupid, right? And a bunch of nonsense.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The glowing pizza thing is Alex inaccurately describing an email between Epstein and an unknown person. The subject line is the pizza monster and the first message is from the unknown party to Epstein. And it's just an emoji. Epstein replies, she looks pregnant. And the other person says, you mean radiating a soft glow with a look of bliss and excitement. Yeah, that's the pizza. I guess it's possible that's code, but it doesn't have to be. I could see a scenario where this is two guys making fun of an overweight woman who ate a lot of pizza. There are so many possible explanations.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

What Alex does is he takes things like this and lies about them so they look like there's no plausible explanation for them other than his narrative. We will not get better as a society until we Understand that people who use information like this are exploiting horrible tragedy and pain in order to sell their shit. And no sincere person would ever act like this. It's. We can't get. We can't move forward until we all recognize that.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep. You know, I was, I was listening to that and I was just thinking like, if you go through the plot of the Dark Knight, maybe 75 to 80% of the Joker's victims could have been canonically in the Epstein files. Which changes my opinion of whose team I'm on because I'm pretty sure Wayne is definitely in the Epstein files.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, do you count like.

[Jordan]

The, like the judge is totally in the Epstein files. Probably the mayor.

[Dan]

But like some of the Hench people end up. You would call them his victims.

[Jordan]

That's true. They are his victims.

[Dan]

And a lot of them would definitely not be totally in the Epstein.

[Jordan]

I agree. I agree. This is, this is the conflict at the heart of the Dark Knight as opposed to the one that we all.

[Dan]

Thought it was up a hospital.

[Jordan]

He does blow up a hospital. That is a problem.

[Dan]

Harvey Dent wasn't in the Epstein files.

[Jordan]

Harvey Dent wasn't in the Epstein files.

[Dan]

And he was punished for it by the Joker though.

[Jordan]

But the Joker was just about chaos or some shit. Okay, whatever bullshit I want to throw around.

[Dan]

I don't know if this is going to stand.

[Jordan]

I don't think I'm going to. I don't think I'm going to keep this one in the canon. You know, I'm just saying that that's where my head went.

[Dan]

Okay, you know, fair enough.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So someone else who dwells in chaos. Yeah. Is one the Riddler?

[Jordan]

Oh, well, not far off.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And you know, I think that saying that the, the victims are actually, you know, villains and perpetrators. Yeah, that's fucked up.

[Jordan]

That's real fucked up.

[Dan]

But this is another really fucked up thing for Alex to say.

[Alex Jones]

But everything Roger Stone told me back when he was trying to recruit me to support Trump, that Trump was going to win, which I vetted and got into, he explained how it all worked and how they're going to attack Trump for this, but it was really. Trump first exposed it and then now all that stuff has come out because Roger lives here. I mean, he's been at Mar Lago since Trump got it. It's been the Trump's trim for 50 years. I mean, everything Rogers ever told me, he's been acting.

[Dan]

Either Alex doesn't understand what he's saying or he knows that it doesn't matter and that anyone who likes his show is an idiot. At this point, he's literally saying that Roger Stone showed up in 2015 as part of trying to recruit Alex to support Trump. Alex is supposed to be his own man and he's above the bullshit, just a guy who calls balls and strikes, not somebody who's recruitable. If Roger showed up to recruit Alex, then it stands to reason that all of their interactions were part of the that Roger's early on air interviews were trial runs where they tested out if he could convince Alex to support Trump and checked how the audience reacted to that idea of the show making that leap. There's another piece of this that's really damning, which is that Roger knew that Alex was recruitable and that Alex was willing to engage in the process of being recruited. Roger and Alex knew that InfoWars wasn't a news platform and it wasn't a rugged independent media operation. They understood that this was a sales platform where Alex had a captive audience that he could sell bullshit to. It was mostly boner pills at that point, but Roger saw the potential that Trump had as a product that Alex could sell. There's one side of this that is a complete invalidation of Alex's self mythology as a guy who just tells the truth and goes where God tells him to. But there's another side of this that's probably a crime previously to him working to recruit Alex. Roger was Trump's campaign manager and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to understand that he still operating as an extension of the Trump campaign when he went to recruit Alex. There's a whole raft of election and campaign finance laws that they probably broke if what Alex is saying is accurate. Yeah, I know it doesn't matter anymore, but in the in previous times, this would probably get you sent to jail.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, I mean, he was sent to jail.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, Alex too.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's fair. But yeah. Roger Stone committed so many crimes across so many elections that has changed the world.

[Dan]

It's true.

[Jordan]

And he's free.

[Dan]

Yep. Loki.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

The thing I'm more interested in here than the law part is the integrity aspect. Alex knew that Roger was a bad dude.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he knew that Trump was a crook prior to Roger ever coming around. The idea that he could run a media operation and humor Roger trying to recruit him to support a crooked means that Infowars was and probably always was for sale. If Alex was the guy he always pretended to be, then the immediate response to Roger coming around and Being like, hey, I want to get you on board would have been, fuck you. I mean, I can't be bought.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I'm not interested in you trying to convince me that your friend, who I know is a crook, is actually a secretly a good guy. I don't want to hear that. I'm just going to report the news. If you're right, then the news will reflect that you'll get good coverage. If he does good things.

[Jordan]

Isn't that the.

[Dan]

Fuck off.

[Jordan]

Isn't that the irony of it? Nobody ever expects to get good coverage cuz they're usually doing bad things.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, but this, the fact that Alex can be like Roger came to recruit me is like. Well, yeah, I mean, said that back then, no one would have listened to everyone would have been like, you sold out, you fucking loser.

[Jordan]

North Korea.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Sailed ballot boats to the eastern seaboard.

[Dan]

It's true.

[Jordan]

Now that is something that based upon what Alex said is definitively true.

[Dan]

It's got to be. Everything Roger has ever told him to.

[Jordan]

Be true, straight up, has to be true.

[Dan]

He's a good man.

[Jordan]

He's a good man.

[Dan]

So Alex, do you know this? I don't know if you know, this is in the headlines. Alex is actually in the Epstein files.

[Alex Jones]

Fine.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. By the way, you. You were mentioned in the files, what, 14 times. And I think in one of the letters he said something negative about you and called the President elephant. I don't know what it was. Jones is crazier than Trump or the elephant. Who's Paul Krasner? Who's Paul Krasny?

[Alex Jones]

Globalist. Yeah, but there's actually 16 we found now.

[Patrick Bet-David]

16.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, but I like the fact he doesn't like me.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's a compliment.

[Dan]

Epstein wasn't saying that Alex was crazy. And there's no indication from this email that he had an opinion on Alex. This was an email to Epstein from Paul Krasner about an article that was published on alternate about Alex claiming that Robert Mueller was a demon and he was going to take him out or die trying to. Also, it's pretty clear that Alex has no clue who Kreizner is, but he probably should. He was a big counterculture satirist in the 60s and 70s and he was a part of the Merry Pranksters. So I feel like globalist. Yeah, just. That's some globalist.

[Jordan]

He just traveled around doing a bunch of LSD and secretly giving it to a bunch of people.

[Dan]

So Alex, like, I get it, he thinks that this is like a feather in his cap. Sure. Or Whatever. But, like, they weren't really even talking about him. Paul Krasner sent an email insulting Alex to Epstein.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Which is fine optically.

[Jordan]

This is the best thing that could have happened to Alex regarding the Epstein files.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's why he's like, I found even more.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. This is perfect. I'm in them, which means I'm super important, but also I'm actively the good guy, so I've got that win.

[Dan]

You know, a person by their enemies. And Epstein hated me.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Alex Jones]

Great.

[Dan]

So Thomas Massie is, you know, well, now that MTG has said I'm out.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

He is the, the real Rand Paulie in kind of figure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Who's, who's, who's acting like, hey, I don't care about this party stuff.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. He's fulfilling that role.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So he's doing that until he's purchased.

[Dan]

Well, he might just be sort of cast aside because it turns out that Trump doesn't like him anymore and some of his fans maybe are turning.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, there's so much to say about Massie. I mean, I mean, here's the deal. I've tracked this. I know the people that got involved talking to Massie, Emerald Robinson and so many others literally just got him asking questions a couple years ago, even before Trump got back in. And Massey was on this because the American people want it. That's what we're covering it. And, and then Trump gets in and says, yeah, we're going to go look at it. And then says, no, there's nothing there. It's a hoax. And we're like, what do you mean? And now there's all these documents. And then Trump starts saying, we got to get rid of Massey. He's a traitor. Trump started that. Trump is committing political suicide again with little, you know, little cuts. He ran off mtg. I know the inside baseball on that and I still support him. I've been nothing but persecuted supporting him. I don't get any money supporting. All I get to tax and lawsuits by the Democrats. Because overall it's good what he's doing on so many fronts. He's dismantling the globalist. He's really bringing 20 trillion in jobs back. Already about 8 trillions invested. He's already got energy prices down substantively, so. But I have a responsibility still to report. He went, started a fight with Massey. Why? And, and, and made weird statements about his wife after she died. And then. And then he attacked mtg. Listen, MTG isn't running for senator. Governor she's always been a successful woman in her own right, you know, had a very successful construction company making tens of millions a year. I talked to her, good friends with her. I knew she was going to resign. Five days before she did, she said, I think I'm going to step down. I can't handle it. And she said, alex, you know, I. This is off record. But then later it came out, she said it again so I can say it. They had a deep fake AI saying that. That was called, though, from real statements she made. Basically, she goes, the last time I really talked to him at any length, he just said, you know, listen, we can't have these files come out because it'll hurt the stock market, it'll discredit America, the faith of credit, you know, basically, and it'll embarrass my friends.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Who said that Trump said it to her.

[Alex Jones]

And now you've got Bondi yesterday saying it in the Congress.

[Dan]

You may start to notice a little bit of a pattern here. When Trump wasn't in power, folks like Massey and MTG were incited to make a huge deal out of the child trafficking King and Epstein stuff as a way of attacking the Biden administration. They were crusading heroes trying to get to the bottom of this case, and their reputations were impeccable in Alex's dipshit media circle. Then Trump got back into office, and there was a bit of an unspoken expectation that they cut that shit out. It's pretty obvious that a full accounting of the Epstein case and the people who were complicit or even just financially entangled would threaten both Democrat and Republican figures. So it's only advantageous to act like you're taking it seriously. Trump is not in power. With Trump in power, if you get all this stuff released, you're gonna get some Democrats in trouble, but you're also gonna have some Trump allies taken out in the process. Ultimately, it's a net negative to the party in power for this stuff to come out when they're in charge. So the idea was supposed to be that you use this stuff to get into office, then let it go. Bondi tried to do the Binder PR stunt as a way of pretending you had a big win, which she clearly hoped would pacify the folks on her side of the media who were still asking questions. But Massie and MTG are two examples of politicians who didn't get the memo that they aren't really supposed to care about this story. They continued pushing for release and transparency after Trump got back in Office, which made them traitors to the gop. The party exists as a means of maintaining Trump's hold on power. So if you're acting in a way that threatens that. That you are a traitor. Alex could act like this, and his career is based on pretending that's who he was, but it's all an act. He got recruited and his job is to defend Trump, which is how we end up here. Alex is still pretending to care about this story, but he really just cares about a fictional version of it. With all the stuff about beef jerky and all that shit, he's made his choice to just accept that his chosen leader is a willing participant in the coverup of this. So the best option he has available is to just do pizzas gate stuff all over again. Pretend you really, really care about a fake thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In order to distract people from the real stuff that your hero is involved in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Great.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's fucking bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. This reminds me of, like, one of the things that people like to say is that the ends justify the means, or they don't or whatever they. But the reality is that there's only the means because the end is not the end.

[Alex Jones]

There's.

[Jordan]

You still have to keep going. The end is your debt. So if you. If you haven't ended, then you keep going. So that idea that so many people in the right had in 2015 of like, you know what? I know that Trump is a bad guy. I personally know that Trump is a bad guy.

[Dan]

Yeah, a lot of them said it.

[Jordan]

Exactly. But we have to have them in power. That is the definition of the means. There's no ends. It's just because you used Trump, Trump uses you. There's no ends to that.

[Dan]

And he's willing to do means that you're not.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. So, yep, yeah, you have fucked up.

[Dan]

Yep, yep. They all really, really, really fucked up. And Alex, at least, like, for his part in all this, I think he recognizes, like, I'm just. Just fucked now. This is just who I am.

[Jordan]

You got no choice.

[Dan]

He's lean into the character, I guess, of Toad Worm. So Alex is like, hey, were you looking for Wormtongue? No, I was looking for, I think Toady.

[Jordan]

Toady.

[Dan]

Toad stopped before the Y for some reason. I think I had Toady and Bootlicker in my head at the same time.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

Like, it just came out.

[Jordan]

And then if you said Toad Licker, you would have said a very different thing.

[Dan]

Yeah. Then we're back to Tycoon.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Alex's Buddy.

[Jordan]

He's free, though.

[Dan]

So Alex is. He's talking about Trump. He's like, I don't understand why he's attacking his own allies over this. It's just dumb.

[Alex Jones]

But Roger Stone, when he was President elect, said, hey, just so you know, the steps he thinks would be a big problem. And Roger doesn't mind me saying this now, but he said Trump's had the CIA come to him. He didn't tell me what Trump said, but they, you know, have dinner all the time. And he goes, he goes, trump thinks it's going to ruin the economy, and it's a big tar baby, and the Democrats have had the file, and it's a setup, and the intelligence agencies say, can bring down the whole country. So don't expect Trump to, you know, but again, you can see how it's an unending fiasco. Like, in a way, Trump's right, but you still. You can't let them get away with what they did. And again, it's 99% Democrats, so he's giving his main enemies the victory. And then, then he talked about how Bill Clinton's a great guy and a nice guy, and too bad he's got to testify to Congress about this. And Ghislaine Maxwell is a nice person, you know, obviously trying to defuse things. And then meanwhile, he comes after mtg, who would literally, you know, eat his shit off the floor previously if he asked her to, to save the country. And Thomas Massie was like a Ron Paul type who's just very, very serious about his convictions. And so Trump turned them into enemies, made them more popular. Massie's more popular, even though they're trying to primary him and put out that lie that she was polling bad. So that's why she didn't want to. Trump didn't want to run for the Senate. She didn't want to run for the Senate. So they just make up this bull, they attack their own party, and it's the stupidest thing ever.

[Dan]

It's hard to listen to Alex explain this situation and feel like he's not being intentionally obtuse.

[Jordan]

Right, Right.

[Dan]

None of the behaviors Alex is describing from Trump are dumb. They're just transparently corrupt.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

No one would act like this unless they had a very strong reason to. It makes total sense to attack your allies if they're trying to investigate and publicize the crimes that your best friend committed with a bunch of your other friends. It makes total sense to play nice with the other Epstein friends who may know stuff about your friendship with him and who might speak up about some of that stuff if you're too mean to them.

[Alex Jones]

Them.

[Dan]

Trump's actions all make sense if you view him as someone with a lot to lose from this shit going totally public. But even leaving that aside, just based on what Alex is saying, Trump should be deposed and thrown in jail.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

He hasn't entirely corrupted the Department of Justice and politicized this investigation in a way that makes it probably impossible to undo any of this stuff. And it's probably made it impossible to prosecute some of these cases in the future.

[Alex Jones]

Yes.

[Jordan]

The legal system is incapable of dealing with this.

[Dan]

Yeah. In a way that maybe some of these cases could have been prosecuted. They're certainly not now.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Just based on what Alex's description of his actions are. Trump is covering up a child trafficking and cannibalism ring that's run 99% by his enemies because if he were to let the information come to light, it would be bad for the economy. This is the definition of someone who is captive to a conspiracy. If we take what Alex is saying seriously, then any conspiracy can be justified, so long as it would be bad for the economy to reveal it. He thinks Trump is covering this up, but he still supports Trump, which means that covering up a satanic cannibal cabal is not a deal breaker. So long as you can argue that not covering it up is bad for the economy. I feel like everything in Alex's career involves trying to demand public accountability for things that would result in damage to the economy. If it came out in 2004 that Bush did 9, 11, does Alex think that that wouldn't have hurt the economy? Assuming that Alex was right about that conspiracy, why wouldn't you just say that revealing that information would be bad for the economy? So you should still. You're still obligated to support Bush weapons manufacturers.

[Jordan]

Stocks would have dropped very far.

[Dan]

This is fucking dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And if you've established. Established that this is your. I mean, here's what's. Here's what's really happened. Right? You've established that this versus this equals bad for the economy. So I am willing to accept this. Right, but that means that you are willing to accept that it doesn't matter who's doing it. Like if. If Biden was doing it. Your equation is still the same. Biden releasing these files would damage the economy.

[Alex Jones]

Me.

[Jordan]

The only difference is there is no difference.

[Dan]

Right, but in that. In that case, this argument doesn't get made.

[Jordan]

Right, Exactly.

[Dan]

Because it's. It's all smoke. And mirrors.

[Jordan]

Which is. Which is why, if you're clever, you don't put this out there as a real thing that you could be held. I mean, obviously Alex can do it because nobody's gonna.

[Dan]

Nobody gives a shit.

[Jordan]

Nobody gives a goddamn. But it's like that for a real person. You wouldn't get yourself caught up right here with. With a statement like that.

[Dan]

Yeah. If you were someone who was held to account for your past words and beliefs, this would be a really bad thing to put on the record.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Absolutely.

[Dan]

Nothing means anything. And continuity isn't real.

[Jordan]

No. The idea of somebody being like, oh, I mean, you know, if Obama had actually gotten the public option and still and was here, I would be like, yeah, fuck that guy. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. He was in here.

[Alex Jones]

Here.

[Jordan]

Get him the fuck out. You know?

[Dan]

So Patrick asks Alex an interesting question. And that is, hey, during that first administration, Trump was firing people all over the place.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He doesn't seem to be firing people.

[Jordan]

Weird.

[Dan]

And Alex is like, yeah, good point. I have to pee.

[Patrick Bet-David]

What happened to the Trump that would fire people first? First administration he was in, he fired Scaramucci within 10 days, I think. Think 30 to 40 people that he appointed, he fired. This time around, his. I think his retention, he went from 43% turnover on the first term. Right now they're at 28, 29. How come he's not firing anybody?

[Alex Jones]

I'd like to answer that question, but I have had a bunch of tea and coffee. I'd like to use a restroom. I'd like to piss like a Russian racehorse.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Sir, right there to your left.

[Alex Jones]

I'll be right back.

[Patrick Bet-David]

You want to go do that, Rob?

[Alex Jones]

A very suspenseful. A very suspenseful mission. Shake a branch.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Go. Go do your thing. Go do your thing.

[Dan]

So that's interruption one. And then Alex comes back and I think he thought the subject would just change.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it would just change because we've. We've left the room. We've entered a new room, brand new slate.

[Dan]

No continuity. No one has any memory of things. But Patrick, I think, has some notes. No, because he asks exactly the same question.

[Patrick Bet-David]

First administration. President Trump fired a lot of people.

[Dan]

People.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Mooch got fired. Within 10 days, nearly 40 people he appointed got fired. Turnover was 43%. Now turnover's in the 20s. He's not firing people. Why is he not firing people?

[Alex Jones]

I've got a good idea about that, but I didn't answer your question from 30 minutes ago or 20. I should probably Answer that first because it answers this question you asked me.

[Jordan]

Nice, if we were given trial advice.

[Alex Jones]

What should it be about?

[Jordan]

Mr. No notes.

[Alex Jones]

And I really did answer your question, but I didn't explain it right. The answer is you can't tell him anything. He doesn't listen. I mean, he's gotten to that point now where he would listen to certain people and if you could give him facts, he would change his mind. And he's gotten to the point where that's not the case. And now if someone just kisses his ass and, and, and, and, and by that it's not even wants the attention. If they don't, if they don't argue with him, then they can just stay around as long as they just tell him what he wants to hear. Because he is, is beyond confident. And at 79, he's just seems like.

[Dan]

Alex doesn't want to answer that question. And I think part of the reason, the little clue you can get is from the answer that he does give to a different question. Essentially he's saying that Trump isn't firing anyone because personnel doesn't matter anymore. The people he has in his administration aren't substantial people who even have the ability to think for themselves or disagree with him. They're all rubber stamped sycophants. Everyone who could be up for one of these positions has experienced the past 10 years of history, and they know that Trump only values loyalty. They know that acting as an independent public servant is just gonna get you fired and likely will lead to tons of death threats from Trump fans. Basically, the answer to this question is that the government isn't a government anymore and Trump doesn't need to fire a ton of people because the only people left who would take these positions are people who already understand that they work for Trump. They don't work for the United States or for the public. Trump signs their checks and he's created an environment where everyone there understands that you fire people when they don't know their role. Yep, the people there know their role. Pam Bondi knows her fucking role, man.

[Jordan]

This is, this is an amazing question. This is an amazing question because I put myself into this space and like, I would need to have a meeting before the interview to process this. He was going to ask this question because if you surprise me with this question, even if I'm in Alex's shoes, my job is to carry water. You know, that whole thing, my first instinct is still, what, are you fucking dumb? Or do you want me to make up an answer that sounds plausible? You got to Let me know which in advance though.

[Dan]

You just want.

[Jordan]

No, because I think you're fucking dumb right now.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

If you, if you genuinely ask that question. I'm worried about you and I don't think you should be allowed outside of a rubber room.

[Dan]

He's asking that question to get a good answer. In the same way that he has follow up questions for Alex about the lies.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Just give me a good enough thing.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. This is what you needed. You needed a meeting with Alex to be like, hey, I'm going to ask you this question. Don't run away. Make up something. Just mildly. It doesn't even need to be mildly plausible, just slightly plausible.

[Dan]

Alex literally ran away.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

And then ran away from the question a second time.

[Jordan]

Exactly. You got to have a meeting with me in advance, otherwise I'm worried about you, man.

[Dan]

Man, I think that Alex just doesn't know. What is a good answer to this.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, we live in a world where their motives and their actions are for the first time in our lives in perfect accord. The government's motives and its actions have always been at odds with each other for so long, but now when you see somebody do something, you go, oh, the reason they did that is because they wanted the result of what they did.

[Dan]

I don't know about in perfect accord, but it is close. I grant you that point. It's. Man, it sucks.

[Jordan]

Why did they do that? Because they got a thing from it. See, it's perfect. We live in a simpler time.

[Dan]

So Alex's description of Trump is a pretty terrifying vision of a president. And you really have to wonder how he can explain Trump this way and still support him. He's a mad king who doesn't listen to any of his advisors, who's actively covering up a cannibalism race. It makes you wonder why Obama was so intolerable to Alex. Like he was ready to start a revolution over that.

[Jordan]

He just had a tan suit, man.

[Dan]

Well, that was fox. I don't know if Alex cared about the suit.

[Jordan]

Nah, that's fair.

[Dan]

He cared about some other things.

[Jordan]

He cared about some other things.

[Dan]

Maybe not the color of the clothes.

[Jordan]

The color of the clothes was probably secondary to one other.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex eventually just comes down to it and he doesn't have an answer for why.

[Jordan]

I will do anything and I will let him do anything.

[Dan]

Here, listen. This amazing moment.

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, about why he's not firing.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Why he's not firing people.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, I don't know specifically That's. I know. Pieces of it.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I mean, he replaced Waltz. Waltz went from, you know, one position to another position. That's not a fire. You're moving somebody, right, to kind of save face with media. But there's a lot of people that Trump 1.0 would have fired that he's not doing today. Why?

[Alex Jones]

I. I don't know the answer to that question. What do you think?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Is it media? Is it control?

[Jordan]

You help me. You help me.

[Alex Jones]

He doesn't want to have the embarrassment of someone being fired. He thinks that legitimizes that there's a scandal.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Jones]

That's wrong. And so, yeah, that's his main reason. I mean, you just answered your question. For you. Yes, Trump does it.

[Jordan]

He did answer his question for him. He did. He did exactly that because he. You fucked up.

[Dan]

Yep. You dropped the ball, buddy. This is a great example of how truth is created collaboratively with Alex. Patrick is asking him why Trump hasn't fired people in his second term. And Alex is very clear. He doesn't know. He doesn't have an answer. We all know he ran away because we want to talk about this.

[Jordan]

We all know why. I don't want to tell you why, because that makes me feel bad.

[Dan]

So Patrick offers a possible answer, which is that Trump wants to save face with the media.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit. That's a great answer. That's probably the true answer.

[Dan]

Alex jumps on it, and that is now his answer. Alex doesn't respond by saying that this sounds possible. He now has heard that this is the case from important White House sources.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

Alex had no answer before, but now, mere seconds later, he has sources. This is all a game, and none of it means anything. And it's embarrassing for Patrick to pretend that this is a real conversation.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's. That's sad.

[Dan]

Also, if Alex believes this to be true, it's grounds to impeach Trump. He refuses to fire incompetent people in charge of government agencies because he's worried that it would make him look bad. Bad. Which means he is not serving the public interest.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is. This is a sham.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I wonder. I wonder if there is, like, a who are you talking to Moment these people have. You know, because I. I worry. I genuinely worry about the health of people who look at what's going on and don't understand. At least most of it. Right. Like, how can you. I don't know what. Our edge, our education system is fully broken. If you can convince yourself what's happening is not what's Happening.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I think that our education system is broken. If you can listen to an interview like this and not have just red sirens going off.

[Jordan]

Hold on a second. $48,000 for somebody to ask a question like that. Amazing $48,000 consultancy.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Boof.

[Dan]

This fucking dipshit is going to be consulting you.

[Jordan]

Why do you think he's not firing people?

[Dan]

You're fired.

[Jordan]

I can't believe you would ask me that question.

[Dan]

I would like my 48 grand.

[Jordan]

It should be against the law for you to ask me that question.

[Dan]

So we move on to another topic and that is that recently the airspace around the El Paso airport got closed.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And it was all confusing. Everyone's like what the fuck's going on?

[Jordan]

What the fuck is going on there?

[Dan]

And so Patrick wants to know know the was going on.

[Jordan]

What the was going on there.

[Patrick Bet-David]

All right, let's go to the next story. El Paso shutting down the airport till February 20. At first they told us it was because of a. What do they see? They they Mexican cartel drones. The clips came out. Rob, if you want to play this clip, these are the clips that we've seen. Do you see the clips up top? Apparently those are drones. Some people questioning whether they're drones or not. Not. Some people want to know if he is using his favorite weapon that they use in Venezuela. You know which one I'm talking about. He calls it the what Discombobulator. You know what, what is going on here Alex, with El Paso? We haven't shut down the airport since 911 and it was shut down for two days. I got a page that's 911 and now you're shutting down 10 days for drones.

[Alex Jones]

Well we know that's down there by Joint task force six and it was our own drone, Brianna Morello over at Infowars that actually broke this early yesterday morning. She's because she is a Pentagon liaison, you know, for to the Pentagon. And when she called they said, you know, we really can't make a comment. And then she first got the news that yeah, it was Mexican drones. And then now we know they're doing a drill. They've admitted an anti drone attack training. And to do that.

[Jordan]

You mean a psyop? It's going to turn into an actual.

[Alex Jones]

Attack zone when you're there in El Paso. So it's in the middle of the city. You know it's all surrounded. It's right there on the border.

[Jordan]

All drills are attacked.

[Alex Jones]

It's not really overall lie at the end of the day because every week now they're having drones come up into El Paso. They're having drones harass the border patrol and the army and Marines that are down there now. The Marines are in some areas of border.

[Dan]

Yeah, you love that, don't you?

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So the airspace around the El Paso airport was reopened hours after it was closed. Although initially the FAA announced that it would be closed for 10 days. What happened here is that the Department of War wanted to test a high power anti drone laser, but the FAA didn't think that was safe to do around commercial aircraft. The two agencies were supposed to be negotiating a time and place that this could be done safely, but the Department of War went ahead with their plans to test the laser. So the FAA shut down the airspace around the El Paso airport.

[Jordan]

Well, you know, that's a good sign. When the Department of War does not give a shit. Yep, that's a great sign.

[Dan]

And. And these agencies are now working together.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Dan]

It's good, Good stuff. It's worked well in the past.

[Jordan]

I appreciate the feelings because, you know, we say the FAA and the Department of War, but actually what happened, what had to have happened at some point was one human being said, we're going to shoot a laser. And another human being said, please don't.

[Dan]

And it was probably, it was probably Pete Hegseth and he was drunk.

[Jordan]

Please do not do this. I don't, I can't. I don't have the authority to order you not to do it, but you know it's a bad idea.

[Alex Jones]

Come on.

[Jordan]

Okay, fine.

[Dan]

According to NBC News, the Department of War used the laser on what it believed to be a drone, but it ended up just being a party balloon. This was unauthorized by the faa who shut down flights to protect travelers from government lasers. The government is run by clowns who refuse to work together. And we're probably going to have some major disasters caused by this in the future, but for now, it's just kind of a weird thing that happened.

[Jordan]

I'm feeling like this episode is, is like a race for how close to and then how far away from the jo going to feel, you know, like, oh, I'm getting closer. We'll pull back a little bit. Pull back a little bit. We don't need to be that far. Ah, now we're, now we're shooting lasers at drones, not telling anybody. Oh, I'm getting fucking close.

[Dan]

You can't have the Secretary of Joker. You can't. You can't have that when there's organization.

[Jordan]

Fair enough. Fair enough.

[Dan]

I can't have a deputy Joker.

[Jordan]

There's, there's a time and a place for a joker.

[Dan]

Yeah. But I think more interestingly about this is, is what you brought up when you were just listening to it.

[Jordan]

I mean, how do you not.

[Dan]

This is a drill.

[Jordan]

This is a drill. This is a drill.

[Dan]

He's supposed to be very suspicious about drills. They're always cover for a false flag.

[Jordan]

Are you telling me it's just a drill?

[Dan]

He should be responding differently to this. That's weird. It's very strange.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, a whole bunch of people should be fucking occupying some shit in a forest somewhere because of this fake drill or whatever it is.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Jesus.

[Dan]

So Alex talks more about this drill and again, it's just like, wait, what, what the fuck? What's your career been?

[Alex Jones]

It's technically, from what we've seen, not true that this was a drone attack and obviously that big line of bigger drones, although that's the drone protection grid that they've got on ground and in air. They got a bunch of new systems. Israel has some really powerful ones too, but whatever you're being shown is not the really good stuff they've got. And so from what I've been told and from our sources, they're, they're doing at least a 10 day drill on controlling that airspace. And they're going to be launching, launching their own simulated attacks by cartels or by even foreign governments or terrorists for, for control. And that Trump then wants to get the money. It's just pretty inexpensive comparatively to put up drone defense network systems over every city. And that's, that's the lower level integration to the higher level anti missile defense system, Golden Dome.

[Patrick Bet-David]

But shutting it out for 10 days to do that, shutting it out for 10 days, that's a little weird to shut it down for 10 days. No.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, they're doing a lot of training, they're doing a lot of drills there. I mean, I'm not defending it.

[Dan]

Alex is very defensive, particularly about how he's not defending the idea of the Trump Administration doing a 10 day military drill that shuts down the airspace around an international airport.

[Jordan]

Oh my God.

[Dan]

He has to be defensive about this because in the past he would have made a documentary about the government doing something like this. His career is based on misinformation about footage he shot at urban warfare drills. So when Patrick challenges him on the idea that this is no big deal, Alex knows that he's supposed to be more upset about this kind of thing. But the irony is that, like him being neutral on it is support.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He His. His default state, his resting heart rate is being furious about this. So this is a huge cooldown. Add on top of this that Alex is just making up the stuff about how there was a plan to do a 10 day drill here and you kind of see what type of liar he is. But let's play around with this idea for a second.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

If there was a plan to shut down the airspace for 10 days to do this drill, why wasn't anyone informed about it? Huh? Why was the FAA caught off guard to the point where scheduled flights had to be canceled?

[Jordan]

That seems like a pretty big question.

[Dan]

Those urban warfare drills that Alex went to in his early career were planned in advance, and the only reason he was able to go film them is because they were announced publicly. Yeah. Training drills aren't a surprise.

[Jordan]

They're not supposed to be, at least.

[Dan]

No. And this. This was a surprise because.

[Jordan]

Because attacks are surprise.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Surprise attacks, not surprise training. That's not how it goes. No, no, no, no.

[Dan]

Good. Yeah. Usually. Usually there's all kinds of announcements made. And. Yeah, this is some bullshit. And it's particularly bullshit because of the reasons that you were bumping on just this. Like your career is being pissed on.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You were just. You're making a mockery of everything you're supposed to stand for.

[Jordan]

I just. I mean, that's sad. It is. We've. I mean, it's sad. It's sad. I want him to feel more sad. I want him to sound sad. I want him to be like fucking droopy dog. Like he should be on here. Like it will. Like, this is ridiculous.

[Dan]

Well, I think that, you know, eventually that will come because this game doesn't play out forever.

[Jordan]

It can't.

[Dan]

No. And you know, Trump, you know, they're probably in as much as, you know, if there will be midterms, they're gonna lose those.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And, you know, everything will change once his relationship to power changes. Whether or not that power exists anymore, or if that power becomes like, explicitly and outwardly violent, he's going to have to change something. And maybe a droopy dog is possible.

[Jordan]

It would at least be more entertaining for me.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Or at least more palatable for me.

[Dan]

So Patrick asked about the discombobulator.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Which is a secret weapon that Trump apparently used in capturing Maduro.

[Jordan]

Good.

[Dan]

And Alex discusses what this weapon might be.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Alex Jones]

When Trump talks about and he has his science, art. Talk about. We've taken control of matter and time and space.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Space.

[Alex Jones]

They have a lot of theoretical physics systems where you over A wide area can create an effect that the Germans in World War II discovered that dealt with anti gravity. The problem was when you turned on this effect, they have different names for it. It would make everybody completely nauseous. And if you kept turning up, it'll kill people. So that's why they were waiting with Antigone Grab. That's. They need computers and robots because it doesn't affect silicone. Yeah. There's the Nazi bell and it was the Glock and all those effects. So that's what you're talking about. So it's a whole area of physics.

[Dan]

Yeah. Cool. Good, good. Glad Trump has access to those kinds of weapons and Alex isn't concerned. I feel like. I feel like he would have been worried.

[Jordan]

I'm speechless. I'm genuinely speechless. You might as well have just said he has weather weapons like that. Fine. He has anti grab weapons.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

Yes. Anti grab weapons that can just kill everyone in a particular area at a whim. At a drop. Yep.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think. I. I don't know. Okay, now, does everybody who have. Who has a Alex Jones DVD still have it? Right. I think we should do a giant burst.

[Dan]

I liked.

[Jordan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Dan]

No. Cause I think that there's a lot of baggage with that. I liked back in the day when Christians would get CDs of like, Britney Spears and then steamroll.

[Jordan]

That would. Fun. That was fun. That was fun.

[Dan]

I think steamrolling his DVDs is a better idea.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

They did disco and that. Yeah, that's right. Steamrolling would be more fun.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think the fire. First of all, we had to be conscious of the climate.

[Jordan]

There is a problem with a gigantic burning plastic fire.

[Dan]

No running it.

[Jordan]

Very, very wise.

[Dan]

And it compacts the amount of trash.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is good for the.

[Jordan]

And then we could cube that on top of it and have it in a museum of like. And we could call it like what Alex thought he was. Something like that. We'd make an art piece.

[Dan]

The. The. The idea of self.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Deep.

[Dan]

So one of the ideas that Alex has about himself. Nice. Is that.

[Jordan]

Nice transition.

[Dan]

Thank you. He was going to be the biggest voiceover.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Until Obama came along here. Well, we are.

[Patrick Bet-David]

By the way, have you ever done any sound effects for Hollywood for movies? You would kill it. Done it.

[Alex Jones]

You know.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Have you ever done any sound, you.

[Alex Jones]

Know, before Obama came along? I never tried to get in. In that. And then people said, hey, you want to do a voiceover for this? So they. They. Taft Hartley. My voice is out right now. I can do better ones. But you know, Chaff Harley's, when they put you in movies and stuff, you're automatically the Screen Actors Guild. And so I got to where right as Obama got in, I had some voiceovers because I was in the Screen Actors Guild where it was being aired on TV over and over again. I would get like $500,000 checks. Like one ad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would, I swear to God. And then they found out, wait a minute, you don't like Obama. So then they, I got blackballed. And, and, and, and no more jobs.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Examples of what you did, like what cartoon did you do it for?

[Alex Jones]

I mean I did, I did movies, cartoons. And seriously what I got paid the most for was like insurance company ads.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Rob, did you know this? No, I had no clue. Insurance company ads.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, I've done like whoever the names were here at Mutual.

[Dan]

Alex is so full of shit. And it's funny to hear Patrick just eat this up. Is it seem looks so stupid when an actor says that they got Taft heart laid. That doesn't mean that they got made part of the Screen Actors Guild. If a production that's in compliance with the union wants to hire a non union actor for a role that they believe no qualified or available union member can fill, then they have to fill out a Taft Hartley form. This allows them to hire a non union actor and allows the actor a free pass to join SAG for 30 days. This is one of the ways that an actor can get into SAG and make themselves like available for SAG productions. Right. The other main ways are being they're dependent on getting booked for a major role or paying dues for a year, which most people can't do. Yeah. You'll often hear stories of struggling actors getting a job and getting Taft hartlaid, which is kind of a blessing and a curse. It means that you're working, but it also means that you probably need to join SAG and start paying dues, which can be a huge burden on you if you don't end up getting more work. I'm certain that the only times Alex might have gotten Taft heart lead would have been on the two Linklater movies he's in Waking Life and A Scanner Darkly. And it seems insane to me that an anti communist zealot like this him would join the actors union. Yeah. If you get Taft heart lead for being in Waking life, let's say.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The only reason to join the Screen Actors Guild is if you plan on getting more union work in the future.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

If you're Alex and you actually are sincere that you don't want to pursue this, you don't have to do anything. You don't have to start paying dues to the union. This is nonsense anyway.

[Jordan]

The idea of him. Him still having his show and being in any union would be absurd.

[Dan]

Yeah, I've heard Alex's ad reads from the period he's talking about, and they're terrible. There's no way that anyone would hire him to do an insurance commercial based on his talent. So the only reason they would ever hire him is if they wanted to use him as a celebrity. Like, oh, look at that. It's Alex doing a commercial.

[Jordan]

Could be.

[Dan]

Prior to 2008, literally no one would hire Alex and pay him half a million dollars to do a fucking insurance company commercial. He was the 911 guy. I mean, this is bullshit.

[Jordan]

Come on.

[Dan]

Yeah. No way.

[Jordan]

Like, first off, how many names. How many names do you not have? If you've said cartoons, movies, commercials, insurance commercial. Name two insurance companies, period. You don't even need to. You don't even need to be honest. You just need to have them in your back pocket at a. It fucking. I did a voice in Looney Tunes. I was uncredited. Done. You're done. You just have to have that specific.

[Dan]

Yeah, he has no real specifics. But then he does have a bunch of voices he can do.

[Jordan]

That's not good. I don't want. I'm not your auditioner.

[Dan]

Now this clip I find very fascinating because it sounds like. Patrick bet David and his friends are laughing at Alex doing silly voices. But they're not. They enjoy it.

[Alex Jones]

Even though my voice is. I can give you some of the voice of God. Voice of God's like any of that big, like a. Return the map.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Return what you have stolen.

[Alex Jones]

You're in grave danger. So that's like from Time Bandits. I can do.

[Patrick Bet-David]

That's great.

[Alex Jones]

Autobots, Autobots transform. And roll up.

[Dan]

What?

[Alex Jones]

Megatron. Prepare to die, Megatron.

[Jordan]

But what is happening?

[Alex Jones]

If I wasn't sick, I could do better. And I hear Darth Vader. If you only knew the power of the.

[Jordan]

What is going on?

[Alex Jones]

Join me and I will complete your training.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Jordan]

You. Fuck you. Fuck you. Patrick bet David stock ad.

[Alex Jones]

It was like I said it was the financial ones. I got paid a lot because I forget that one. It was end of America and it was like selling all sorts of financial stuff and instruments and it was. It was like experts believe the end of. And there's all this stuff and I Used to see it. I'd be in restaurants or bars in the Amazon.

[Patrick Bet-David]

I had no idea. But I listened to your voice. I'm like, dude, this guy's so animated. Okay.

[Dan]

It sounds like they're laughing at him in the way that bullies laugh at the kid eating a worm. Yep. You know, like it sounds like that.

[Jordan]

At least that would make sense.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's not that.

[Jordan]

No, no. That makes me furious.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You saw me point at the computer as though Patrick Bet was somehow inside there.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You needed to physical.

[Jordan]

I needed to make sure that he knew through this computer that I am scared. He's the dumbest man alive.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's. It's. He is this interesting intersection of like, very, very stupid and very shrewd. Like, he's very good, obviously, at multi level marketing.

[Jordan]

Obviously.

[Dan]

Like, you can't run these kinds of businesses without having some kind of intelligence.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I honestly think that the way he navigates these conversations so stupidly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It is also an intellect.

[Jordan]

No, it's, it's. It is the smartest thing to do. To be very much unsuspected, especially in this kind of conversation. Being underestimated is a powerful tool. But also. That's insane.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. I bet. Alex, I, He. There's no way that he ever did like big national commercials or anything like that. Yeah. But I wonder how much money he saved by doing all those voiceovers for his own products himself.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Dan]

You know, doing these commercials for like, home gain.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like whatever. Advertise the Berkey water filter ads.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

By doing those himself, maybe he saved $500,000 or maybe he took the, you.

[Jordan]

Know, he paid himself as a contractor, frankly.

[Dan]

Totally possible.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, we get a very long stretch of the show that is Alex explaining how he's the real victim of Sandy Hook and it's all the standard shit.

[Jordan]

Can't do it again. No, can't do it again.

[Dan]

I think we've heard him tell Patrick this stuff in the past.

[Jordan]

I can't do any more of this.

[Dan]

Yeah. So there's a little bit of news though.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And that is that it looks like the game is up.

[Alex Jones]

All this stuff, I mean, it has been like the Alamo down there. And so finally the federal court kicked it out in bankruptcy of three years. Said we wash our hands because they would never agree to anything. He kicks into state court. Barbara Bellis, the same judge, she said, signs a receiver and tells him to come in and take it over. Under the law, he's supposed to sell it at auction, but they don't want it sold at auction. So now he has just come in and said he's no longer going to allow it to operate and fund next month, even though the money's there to run it. And so they're going to close the doors, he says somewhere around the 7th of March, finally. And we'll shut down. I have the Alex Jones backup network. Other people on. I'll pop back on the air. Follow me on next Jones, things like that.

[Dan]

So the idea is that a receiver had been holding Alex's assets and infowars assets right up till now. They've just allowed infowars to be funded.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Even though he does not have control over these things that are held by the receiver. Now the receiver has said, no, we're not gonna, we're not allowing this. So if, if what Alex is saying is reflective of the truth, then there's just no money to do infowars anymore.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

After this month or whatever the receiver is allowing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If you, if you can just close the account.

[Dan]

Yeah. So what I'm hearing is Alex, you know when, when Patrick says you couldn't join Manecht before.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Maybe that, maybe this has a little bit to do with.

[Jordan]

Feels very well connected.

[Dan]

I have no funding now. I am screwed. Except for the Alex Jones network.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Which is going like gangbusters. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Non fraudulent gangbusters.

[Dan]

So we've heard this too many times in the past to really get too excited.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But let's put a clock on this.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

March 7th. Alex has said March 7th.

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, you got. He can't go quietly. Is he just going to like close the doors, like fucking cheers or some shit?

[Dan]

I think he has to. I mean he could try to pick a fight.

[Jordan]

Pick a fight, pick a fight with somebody.

[Dan]

But maybe no one wants to.

[Jordan]

That's the problem. Yeah, that's the real problem.

[Dan]

Maybe no one wants to play along with this dumb shit. Then he's going to have to probably get ironically, a crisis actor to join him for a fight.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that would work. Here's what I would do if I was the guy government. Right. I don't want to fight him on this. I don't want to have to be the send the cops to close the door. Helicopter, gigantic tarp. Lower it over the building, nobody can get in. Problem solved.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Don't need to argue, don't need to fight, don't need to do anything. He just tries to go into the office one day covered with a gigantic tarp.

[Dan]

Yes. Better idea. Okay. I'll go with your helicopter.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Attach little ropes to the building.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Lift it up.

[Jordan]

See, now, I'm worried that this would require more than one helicopter. We would need one helicopter. We need four helicopters, one on each corner. And now we're coordinating four helicopters. Where are we gonna land this building? This is my. You're not a helicopter operator. No, I get you. I get you. You're an ideas guy.

[Dan]

It would just be funny if you could take the building, move it somewhere else. Alex shows up. There is no building.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, ironically, that would be a cartoon with Alex's voice in it.

[Dan]

Yeah. Or, ooh, paint the building to make.

[Jordan]

It look like it's not there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Absolutely. Camouflage the building.

[Dan]

Alex walks into a tunnel.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[Dan]

All right. These are good ideas.

[Jordan]

Yes, These are great ideas.

[Dan]

So Alex is explaining how he's the victim of all of this stuff, and he. I think he gets the sense that, like, I don't think my point is coming across. Patrick, could you rephrase this for me?

[Alex Jones]

So I know you're a business guys. You understand all this. Can you translate to the. To the public what you're thinking?

[Patrick Bet-David]

No, no, I'm tracking the question I got is, can a. Can a pardon help you in any way?

[Alex Jones]

I don't think they have pardons for civil matters.

[Patrick Bet-David]

He can't do anything with that right from the top.

[Alex Jones]

Only the public can pardon me by following what I do. Whoever my sponsors are, support them, because here's the deal. I get to have my crew and have my show and have. And we're building a studio with folks even better than one before. And so. And under federal state law, I'm allowed to get my paycheck. They can try to grab it and stuff, but I don't care. I mean, I live in a trailer. I live under a bridge. I. I don't care. They haven't taken away my voice. They haven't taken.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Have they garnished your wages yet or not yet?

[Alex Jones]

Well, that's the thing, is they have. They have, they have. They've never wanted to settle. So the courts keep telling them, settle, settle, settle. But they'll never settle because they want to keep the protracted fight going because it's about pinning me down. It's about. They say on tv, we want him off the air. We don't want money.

[Dan]

So you don't want to answer that question about wage garnishing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Seems like maybe. Maybe you don't want to talk about the actual Money?

[Dan]

No, probably not. No. Also, how fucking dumb is Patrick for? Can he control pardon you?

[Jordan]

I mean. I mean, that is. That is dumb. But at the same time, I don't look at that just as being dumb. I look at that as the level of naked corruption that now we're all just like, yeah. Oh, yeah. He could just pardon people. Right.

[Dan]

Can he just wave his wand?

[Jordan]

We have. We have all reached a level where there's not even a question. There's not even like a. Oh, is there a legal thing? Is there something. Is it. Nope, nope. We have a dictator. Can he solve it?

[Dan]

Yeah. And he should, because you're on his team.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He did it for Roger.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

So they. They get towards the end of the episode and the interview and they're talking a little bit about regrets. Sure. And I thought that this was strange.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah. It's wild seeing from there to now. Alex, if today you're 22 and you're the same wiring, you're getting started in social media today, doing the same thing you're doing, would you do anything differently?

[Alex Jones]

Oh, I definitely, definitely.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, I definitely would have interviewed like those professors and stuff that were saying it didn't happen. Um, I mean.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Cause you wouldn't have interviewed those guys.

[Alex Jones]

No, I wouldn't have. Because. Because it allowed me to be set up.

[Dan]

What? What? Why? Like, I thought that there's nothing wrong about interviewing those people. They. They just had alternative ideas about major news events. Is Alex saying that he would shy away from covering an important story because he's worried about the heat that he would get from for it? I thought this guy was the tip of the spear, but no, he would go back and not do this.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Well, at the time, you thought it was sincere, you thought it was legit. You. You were acting from a place of good faith. So instead of covering what you believe to be a faked mass shooting meant to steal everyone's guns, you would have ignored the story. Wow. It kind of makes me feel like you think you did something wrong.

[Jordan]

You know, there was a. There was a really interesting interview they did with Nelson Mandela where they were. Were like, you know, you did the whole thing and all that stuff, but do you have one regret? And Nelson Mandela was doing. Was said like going to prison in the first place. I really wish I had hadn't resisted. I really wish I would have just let sleeping dogs lie, you know, no big deal. Instead, I had to go through all this rigmarole. No, Nope, didn't need it. Not interested.

[Dan]

It's a Pain.

[Jordan]

Yeah, let some. Let somebody else do it.

[Dan]

I really find this to be pretty fucking telling from Alex's point of view. Yeah, he's supposed to like not have any about interviewing these crazy idiots.

[Jordan]

I do it all again because I'm the one who's right at the bottom. I can die knowing that I was right. Yep.

[Dan]

So the episode ends with of course, a Manecht plug and also a birthday celebration.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's nice.

[Dan]

Because Alex's birthday just had happened.

[Jordan]

That's less nice.

[Dan]

And they bring out a cake for him and Alex makes a funny. All right.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, what's going on here?

[Patrick Bet-David]

We got a gift for you, buddy.

[Alex Jones]

So real Alex Jones and our backup network at AJN Live. And Patrick. Thank you, brother.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Anytime. And in the interim, fol is his birthday yesterday. So we got a sink for you. We got you cake, we got you a few things. On three, everybody. One, two, three. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Alex Jones.

[Alex Jones]

What the hell?

[Patrick Bet-David]

Happy birthday to you. And Rob, can you bring me the other gift hidden so I can give it to. To him?

[Dan]

Yes.

[Alex Jones]

And listen, I. I knew about Manect, but now that I really looked at looks badass. I can't wait to get involved in that.

[Patrick Bet-David]

Yeah, I mean, people going to be able to access you, ask you questions and I thought it was appropriate. While we're doing this is the girl.

[Alex Jones]

One of the presents? It's a joke.

[Dan]

See, that's a funny joke because Alex is asking if the woman who brought his cake in is gift that Patrick might be giving him. He shows how seriously Alex takes the idea of owning people and trafficking them as property. He's making a joke about this, which is funny because they were talking about Epstein earlier. It's funny. Yeah, it's a good joke.

[Jordan]

So there's this anime, right, called Jujutsu Kaisen, right? Very popular, not great storytelling. What do they do? Have action fucking kineticism. The apotheosis of it, right? And one of the most recent episodes had this character who was abused and hated and all of these things because she wasn't like them, all of those stuff. And then she goes kill Bill on everybody, right? And like, literally it's a reference to kill Bill. She does it. And I just keep thinking like, listen to all those people laugh. Like, I can't be in a room with all those people hearing that without like, is there a baseball bat, anybody? Like there's. You just have to spin around and hit these people. This is fucking insane.

[Dan]

Yeah. The premise of the joke that Alex is Making that they all think is super funny is that this woman is property.

[Jordan]

We're talking about Epstein.

[Dan]

You pretending to care about the issues that Epstein. The whole case is about.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And you are. You love it. You love this joke about this woman being property.

[Jordan]

Kneecap and everybody.

[Dan]

It's infuriating in a way that, like, isn't like, oh, it's a tasteless joke, or it's, you know, PC police or whatever. I don't give a shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's that it betrays how little they care about the thing that they're yelling at me about. Caring so much about.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think it's. I think it's disgusting.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And they should shut up.

[Jordan]

I'm offended. As a thinking ape, I'm concerned that we're more in the ape phase still, you know, Like, I listen to that and I go, oh, boy. A few hundred thousand, maybe a couple million years will really evolve into a thinking ape species any moment now.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's pretty bad.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, this interview sucked. It was trash. But I think that the labeling of victims as perpetrators and Alex saying that Roger recruited him and the theoretical March 7th end date.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I think these are worth. These are worth note. Oh, and the fact that Alex has joined the. Obviously not a money laundering platform.

[Jordan]

I would even go so far as to say he's too super cool with laser drills.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah, That's. That is a big betrayal.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. Anyway, trash interview sucks.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Makes me not want to be in the present. Makes me look wistfully at the days of Slobodan Milosevic.

[Jordan]

Oh, Slow Bo.

[Dan]

So Slowbo. We'll see what comes next. But that's the thing.

[Jordan]

This is what I feel like. I feel like Slowbo could be in that room having a grand time with everybody. I bet Patrick bet David would have so many questions for Slow, Slow Bo. Why are you the victim in all of this? They send you to the Hague.

[Dan]

Why is it the poor little Slowbo Slowbow so real quick? Because I'm sure some people will be infuriated by this. The gift that was hidden under the table was a gay frog plush, right? And then also, Patrick bet David gives him some pretty expensive shoes that say the future is bright.

[Jordan]

On the bottom of them, I am. Boy. That's. That's Joker. There you go. You did it. You did it, bud.

[Dan]

Why so serious? We'll be back another episode. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's Knowledge Fight dot com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor Woo. Yeah. Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now, here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for watching. Holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work, I love you.