#1118: March 14, 2006

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1118: March 14, 2006

Release Date: February 20, 2026
Hosts: Dan and Jordan
Episode Focus:
Dan and Jordan analyze clips from the March 14, 2006, episode of The Alex Jones Show, focusing on Alex Jones’ reactions to the death of Slobodan Milosevic, his revisionist takes on Balkan history, and what these stances reveal about Alex’s worldview and evolving strategies.

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Episode Overview

This episode explores an under-discussed chapter in Alex Jones’ history—his willingness to defend Slobodan Milosevic and downplay atrocities committed during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Dan and Jordan engage with Jones’ conspiratorial reframing of war crimes, the rhetorical tricks he deploys, and the broader ideological implications for Jones’ politics then and now.

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Main Topics and Key Insights

1. Podcast Banter & "Bright Spot" Segment

[01:10–04:49]

• Jordan celebrates Jill Scott’s new album, admiring her skill for finding poetry in everyday life.
• Dan's bright spot: He’s been recovering from illness by replaying Pikmin, noting how some games offer enduring comfort and resonate at different life stages.

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend." – Jordan (01:11) "All Pikmin are good." – Dan (03:27)

2. Setting the Stage: Revisiting 2006 and the Milosevic Trial

[08:04–09:08]

• Dan explains the choice to analyze a 2006 Alex Jones episode, noting his own recent illness made listening to past, less intense episodes easier.
• They preview a focus on Alex’s strange neutrality or even defense concerning Slobodan Milosevic and genocide.

"I think we're going to come away from this with a... Alex is neutral on genocide." – Dan (09:01)

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3. Alex Jones Spins Milosevic’s Death (Poisoned or Heart Attack?)

[09:28–13:00]

• [09:28] Alex spins conspiracy that Milosevic was murdered by “global crime syndicate,” claiming harsh prison conditions and denying family visitation rights.
• [10:11–11:58] Dan and Jordan debunk Alex’s claims: Milosevic acted as his own lawyer, had privileges, and did meet with his wife privately. Jones is making these assertions up for narrative comfort.
• Bigger Picture: Dan explains conspiracy theories like this provide psychological order in the face of anticlimactic historical endings.

"Alex is willing to directly lie to the audience and make a victim out of Slobodan Milosevic because doing that helps him pretend that there's an order to the universe." – Dan (11:35)

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4. Revisionist Takes on Balkan Wars

[14:43–19:09]

• [14:52–16:16] Alex claims virtually everything reported about Serbian atrocities is “a fraud,” relying on long-debunked sources, including the defunct magazine Living Marxism.
• [16:51–17:57] Dan contextualizes the infamous Time magazine cover Alex refers to—explaining its facts, the successful libel suit against Living Marxism for these claims, and that the case Jones cites is about Bosnia, not Kosovo.
• [17:57–19:12] Dan points out that Jones conflates wars, places, and events, showing ignorance of even basic distinctions between Bosnia, Kosovo, and Serbia.

"The bigger problem for his show is that picture was captured during the Bosnian war, not the Kosovo war." – Dan (17:10)

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5. Alex Defends Ethnic Cleansing (Explicitly)

[21:04–24:01]

• [21:12–22:51] In a shocking moment, Alex says, “If Slowbo is a monster, then the Croats and the Muslims are even bigger monsters,” and tries to cast Milosevic as a victim forced into ethnic warfare.
• Dan and Jordan react in disbelief, clarifying there's no neutrality when it comes to genocide, and highlighting how Alex is now overtly apologizing for ethnic cleansing.

"He's not opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing if you just say you didn't start it. This is insane." – Dan (23:02)

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6. Normalization and Minimization of Atrocities

[24:26–30:46]

• [24:34] Alex further minimizes atrocities, claiming “95% of what we were told about Slowbo and Arcan wasn’t true,” dismissing evidence and reducing crimes to overblown propaganda.
• **Dan and Jordan explain who Arkan was—a notorious paramilitary warlord—and denounce Alex’s casual minimization of war crimes.
• They emphasize the danger in Alex’s rhetoric: admitting “even 5%” of crimes disqualifies any defense.

"Even by your own ridiculous percentages, you are indicted." – Jordan (29:09)

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7. Alex’s Changing Theory of Power

[31:16–36:03]

• [31:16]–[32:07] A caller asks if Alex will run for president. Alex says the presidency is “totally bought,” and that local elections are where power can be seized. This shows his earlier commitment to a “bottom-up” revolution.
• Dan notes: In 2006, Alex saw national office as unattainable for his worldview, only embracing a “top-down” approach after being courted by Republican strategists.
• Jordan points out: The “goal” for Alex is always seizing power, with tactics and rationalizations changing based on what seems achievable.

"It's all about power and how it can be taken. At some point, Alex was convinced that a top down seizure of power was possible. Whereas before he believed that it could only come bottom up." – Dan (33:34)

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8. The 2008 Election: Predictions and Bilderberg Paranoia

[36:15–39:16]

• Alex shrugs off the 2008 presidential race as meaningless; says whoever’s “anointed” (Mark Warner, then-governor of VA) at Bilderberg will win.
• A caller from “downsize D.C.” advocates “paper terrorism”—jamming Congress with paperwork to gum up governance, a far-right tactic that stands in contrast to how those same activists later complain about government inefficiency.

"He explicitly is saying he wants to make it mind numbing to be in government... now they're mad if people blow whistles at ICE agents." – Dan (39:16)

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9. Final Reflections: Why This Episode Matters

[40:43–43:09]

• Dan and Jordan marvel at stumbling onto this revealing piece of Alex history. His defense of Milosevic feels both randomly uncovered and disturbingly relevant to later developments in right-wing rhetoric and politics.
• They resolve to continue probing Alex’s peculiar affinity for Balkan war criminals and what this portends for his worldview.

"You don't need to defend Slobodan Milosevic. Nope, I don't. This is such a noxious position for him to have, I believe. And...it's not one that he keeps for a very long time. Fascinated by, like, what is going to happen here?" – Dan (41:48)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Alex is neutral on genocide." – Dan (09:01)
• "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend." – Jordan (01:11)
• "It is such a weird, random, coincidental thing to go back 20 years... and discover that Alex is a Slowbow fan." – Jordan (40:57)
• "He's not opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing if you just say you didn't start it. This is insane." – Dan (23:02)
• "Even by your own ridiculous percentages, you are indicted." – Jordan (29:09)
• "It's all about power and how it can be taken." – Dan (33:34)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:10 | "Bright Spots": Jill Scott, Pikmin musings | | 08:04 | Introduction of 2006 Alex Jones focus | | 09:28 | Alex's conspiracy about Milosevic's prison death | | 14:52 | Alex claims all Serbian war crimes reporting was “a fraud” | | 17:10 | Discussion of Time magazine cover, court-adjudicated libel | | 21:12 | Alex openly defends ethnic cleansing as “not their fault” | | 24:34 | Alex normalizes crimes, “95% wasn’t true” rhetoric | | 31:16 | Alex claims presidency unattainable, advocates “bottom-up” strategy | | 36:15 | 2008 election predictions, Bilderberg obsessions, downsize D.C. caller | | 40:43 | Dan and Jordan reflect on the significance and relevance of finding Alex’s Milosevic apologism |

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Tone & Takeaways

Dan and Jordan’s tone is incredulous, sardonic, and sometimes grimly amused as they dissect Jones’ rhetoric and expose his intellectual and moral bankruptcy. This episode is a powerful microcosm: early Jones’ radical revisionism, the focus on power for power’s sake, and the rhetorical flexibility of conspiratorial reactionaries.

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Bottom Line

This episode uncovers an especially damning period in Alex Jones’ history, illustrating the dangers of conspiracy thinking when applied to real-world atrocities and showing how rhetorical frameworks used to excuse past violence foreshadow ideological positions in present-day American politics. It also underlines Dan and Jordan’s methodical, context-rich approach to deconstructing right-wing media.

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For further probing:
The hosts plan to continue following the thread of Jones’ Balkan apologia, hinting future episodes will illuminate his shifting stances as political winds change.

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Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge fight. Knowledge. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Need. Need money.

[Alex Jones]

Andy and Kansas. Andy and Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a fish and caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple. D like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

I have a quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, we have a tradition. It is February, so that means that I go second. Yep.

[Jordan]

Okay. My bright spot today is that Jill Scott has a new album out.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

It's very good. It's fantastic. It's her first album in, like, 10 years. And she does my favorite thing that Jill Scott does, which is she's a poet and she finds the metaphor in the mundane, which is always lovely. But also sometimes that looks like I went, I Woke up at 4, I got some eggs. Like, it's just narrating your day. And it's like sometimes you're finding the metaphor in the mundane. Sometimes you're just narrating your day.

[Dan]

Sometimes it's just the mundane.

[Jordan]

Sometimes it's just like you really needed to tell me about these scrambled eggs you made.

[Dan]

And maybe there's a metaphor in there that you, Jordan, are.

[Alex Jones]

I don't need it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

So it just seems mundane to you?

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

Someone else might be crying about those things.

[Jordan]

Somebody else might be losing their mind, but at the same time, there's also the mundane in there.

[Dan]

Well, that's great.

[Jordan]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend.

[Dan]

Sometimes it's not.

[Jordan]

Sometimes it's a penis.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And sometimes it explodes.

[Jordan]

Wait, the cigar or the penis?

[Dan]

The. Both. On a birthday, doing some eyebrow wagging at you.

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot?

[Dan]

So I'm feeling a little bit better. We're a little bit late with this episode because I got struck with another. Another illness. It was. It was weird. It's. I feel like neither of us were sick. Pretty much through Covid decade. And this year has just already been a bit. A bit of illness.

[Jordan]

That one we got at the beginning of January fucked up our immune system because it might be for 10 years. I don't think I've ever gotten sick. No, it's very weird. Yeah, it's. And then I got sick again too. We've both been sick twice already within the first two months.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's. It's some who crazy times.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But yeah, I was sleeping a lot. Did a lot of sleeping. But also had a little bit of time to enjoy some Pikmin. So I've been making my way through Pikmin.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And I have some observations that I'd like to share with the class. They're all good. So far all the Pikmin are good.

[Jordan]

So far.

[Dan]

All Pikmin are good. Pikmin.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I'm on Pikmin 3 and that is really where it came together.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Pikmin 1 is good, but it's kind of easy and it's a little bit short and almost like proof of concept.

[Jordan]

I was about to say proof of concept. This could be fun. If we nail it.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think it has the feel of like a very successful demo, indie ish game.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Gotcha.

[Dan]

And then two, they evolve on some of the stuff, but it's not fully there. And then I think in three, it's just like this is the fucking game.

[Jordan]

You guys nailed it.

[Dan]

So good.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Nice.

[Dan]

So, yeah, I'm. And I'm still just enjoying the hell out of it as I. I've played them many times throughout my life and I'm still enjoying throwing those little guys around.

[Jordan]

There are just some games like that where it is for whatever reason, like the time in your life when it hits you or just like this gameplay loop, the tactile feel of it just hits my brain.

[Dan]

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's just a lot of charm. The. It looks so good.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like everything is cartoony and pleasant and most of it is like you're running around little gardens or whatever, trying to pick up bottle caps and shit. That's. It's just fun and calming in the same way that a lot of people found like Animal Crossing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Calming. Yeah. And then there's little guys. They're fun. I mean, yeah, you throw them.

[Jordan]

No argument. It's fun to throw little guys.

[Dan]

And I think, you know, this sucks, but I do feel like the villains in the game have it coming. Like I feel bad that there's combat. Yeah, nice. If there wasn't yeah, but those big guys, they're gonna eat your little guys at night if you don't kill them.

[Jordan]

I mean, to a certain. To a certain extent, narratively, every villain has to be deserving of their. Of their comeuppance, regardless of whether or not we would say so outside the narrative has to drive towards them receiving an equal.

[Dan]

Yeah, I would. I would argue that in a lot of narrative driven stuff, sure. The villain has a good point, though. Like, oftentimes they're misunderstood or they're like, hey, they're right, but they're going about things in the wrong way.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

These villains in. In Pikmin, now, you know what undercut

[Jordan]

Black Panther because I think Michael Big Jordan's character does have a lot of really good points. But it's tough when your name is Killmonger to be the good guy. You don't name yourself Killmonger if you're the good guy. Right.

[Dan]

It's not a name that you negotiate with.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You don't come around on Killmonger.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no, no. You're. You're trying to send a message.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. Isn't I a villain named, like, Apocalypse? Right?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like, that guy's not gonna be.

[Jordan]

He's not.

[Dan]

Chill.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Now, on the other hand, if the. If the villain names himself just like Terry Jones, you're like, I mean, he seems like he could be a normal guy eventually. Yeah.

[Dan]

Or like your name as a supervillain is. We've gotta deal with the problems. Then it's like, well, yeah, my.

[Jordan]

Welcome to systemic issues, man.

[Dan]

Yeah, I could hang with that quicker than Killmonger.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Killmonger is real. I think you just write yourself into the corner. Once you name a character, people are

[Dan]

going to treat you a certain way.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, we had a killmonger to talk about today, and we'll do that in a second transition. Let's take a little moment to say hello to wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Paul in Alabama has just joined the ranks of the policy wonks. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. Agrippa says Jar Jar Binks to the wonk. Sorry, technocrat on Aegis Company. That Kaiju has a black Caribbean accent. Thank you so much. You're an out policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Dan]

And Lumpsky Bear. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much. To Lucy Lee Yin. To my gang. Happy birthday. I love you, Mr. Kylie. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. 4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yes, thank you very much.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we are back in the past. Gotcha. I think when you're a little bit under the weather, it's tough to listen to Alex when you got, he's, he's an annoying man and it's a challenge, but when you have like a head cold and a fever, you don't want to be listening to this fella now. So I decided to, you know, we had to make things easy on myself. Let's, let's stay in the past. So we'll be talking about March 14, 2006.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And there's not, there's not a lot here. There's a lot of, a lot of filler on the episode itself, but some of the things that we're looking at in 2006 are heavily developed, namely Alex's relationship with Slobodan Milosev.

[Jordan]

That is, I mean, sure. All right, so we're going to find out that he's, he's actually, it's okay for him to use Slowbo. They are close.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I think he's quite, I think we're going to come away from this with a. Alex is neutral on genocide.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, neutral. I throw this out at you. There is no neutral on genocide. Neutral. You already on the, you're on one side.

[Dan]

That's, it's an interesting take you have. And I, I, I agree. So we start off here and Alex is talking about how Slowbo was murdered.

[Alex Jones]

The global crime syndicate, spin doctors, intelligence agents are in overdrive right now trying to spin the murder of Slova Milanovic. It fits the classic M.O. he said he was being poisoned, said he was going to be murdered. And they had admittedly 24 hour a day, bright lights on him for years. He never was allowed to have even semi, semi darkness and video cameras on him at all times. It had been even in international news that there would be three guards whenever anyone was in the cell with Him. He has not seen his wife or children in five years since they grabbed him, so no one was allowed in to even see.

[Dan]

That's all not true. And it's unclear where Alex is even taking those assertions from.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

For one thing, Slobodan Milosevic was acting as his own lawyer, and that granted him certain privacies from the jail and the prosecution. He was able to have a private office area, and he was able to meet with people confidential, confidentially, when it was arguably part of his defense. This is how he took many meetings that were likely how his associates smuggled various drugs into him.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

They had to give him, like, privileged visiting for, like, partially because of head of state stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And then also partially because of he's acting as his own lawyer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He can't have a fair trial.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you're always watching him.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

The jail that Slowbo was kept in had a separate comfort room for conjugal visits. And while I'm not sure if he ever used it with his wife, she did visit him on multiple occasions.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

This behavior from Alex seems sort of desperate, like a major world event happened and he needs to make a conspiracy of it. I'm not sure there's much of an upside to this, because I have no idea what the globalists would hope to gain out of killing Milosevic at this point. If the idea was that they were killing him to shut him up. They took their sweet time with that and allowed him to speak in court in his own defense quite a bit already at this point. Crazy for Alex, everything has to be interesting. And Slobodan Milosevic's death isn't really all that interesting. Him dying of a heart attack during his trial for crimes against humanity is disappointing from a narrative standpoint because there isn't a big closure where he's held responsible for his actions, or he gets to have this big third act, deus ex machina, reveal that he was innocent all along. Him just dying sucks, but life sucks sometimes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

When people say that folks gravitate toward conspiracy theories because they make them feel better, it often means something like this. The international community spent all this time unseating Miloevic and then all of this time putting him on trial. Then what does that even amount to? It ends with a heart attack before the verdict even comes down. This is an intolerable level of chaos, and most people want any other explanation. Alex is willing to directly lie to the audience and make a victim out of Slobodan Milosevic because doing that helps him pretend that there's an order to the universe. He couldn't have just randomly died of a heart attack. This is too important of a show to get canceled mid season. Yeah, and Alex is providing people with the feeling of like, oh, no, this is actually part of a bigger plot as opposed to, like. No, it's just a letdown. It sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, I. I think we talked about it off air. Off air a little bit. But, like, listen, you don't send Napoleon to the island. You just kill him.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

You can't be. You can't be doing this. You gotta learn your lesson. We fucked up that one time, Slowbo. I get it. We all want trials and all that shit. No, get him outta here. What are we doing? You guys are the ones who unseated him from the thing because, you know, he did the crime. Once you unseat him, that is the trial, right?

[Dan]

Mm, no, not necessarily. I mean, like, you could. You could make an argument of it wasn't like the UN that unseated him.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Obviously there were. You know, there was international support for the groups that were opposing him and shit. But, like. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I think that the rule of law is important.

[Jordan]

I'm with you.

[Dan]

And I think that you. What you're expressing, you run the risk of erring too far the other direction.

[Jordan]

I understand that risk, but here's my line for you, Slobodan Milosevic. I won't go any further than Slowbo. Yeah, that's our Mendoza lie. If you're Slowbo, sorry. Off.

[Dan]

I'm not. I'm not, like, being quiet because I'm disagreeing with you. I'm being quiet because I keep wanting to make a. No, Slowbo.

[Jordan]

I know.

[Dan]

I'm just like, don't do it.

[Jordan]

Don't. Come on, man. What is this, 2020? Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Um, I. I don't know. I. I think that there is value to having a quicker prosecution.

[Jordan]

Certainly.

[Dan]

Let's say that we can agree in the middle there.

[Jordan]

Hey, all I'm saying is that once you're, like, guarding Slobanon Milosevic and he's bringing in somebody to Fuck, we've ruined. We've messed up. We're wrong. We are wrong.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex thinks that the entire story about Serbia is all a fraud.

[Jordan]

That sounds true.

[Dan]

And this is a mess.

[Alex Jones]

The whole story we've heard about what happened in Serbia is a fraud. And if Slowbo is a monster, then the Croats and the Muslims are even bigger monsters. If he's a Demon, They're Satan in what really happened over there. And it's admitted. I mean, we've interviewed people like Senator Inhofe years ago who went over there. Piles of dead Serb soldiers. The coalition forces would kill Serbs, put them in the KLA uniforms, put them in Muslim civilian clothes, stage mass graves. They'd show piles of manure as fertilizer at farms and claim they were mass graves from orbit with satellites that was proven to be frauds. They would stage massacres. All admitted, you understand? It is admitted that all those big headlines and all those big top stories and all the things you heard, mainstream news, the government news, has retracted, but always back of the paper, tiny blurb. The, the. The. The propaganda pieces, though, were top news for weeks. Top news every night. Top news on the cable channels, cover of Time, Newsweek, people just. Just everything. Just, oh, the mass murder. Oh, this. Concentration camp, victims, when really it would be U.N. in one case, refugees all around a U.N. food center with barbed wire around it trying to get in to get the food.

[Dan]

This is some really disgusting stuff. And I don't want to nitpick this with too much of a fine toothed comb, but I want to bring up a glaring point that Alex needs to do a better job about. We discussed this Time magazine cover that Alex is talking about on our last 2006 episode, and he's lying about what it captured. We didn't talk about this on the last episode, but Alex is getting the claim that this footage was all faked as a big propaganda stunt from an article that was published in a communist magazine called Living Marxism. Doesn't seem like that's the kind of place Alex would get his news. But hey, you know, 2006 is a different time.

[Jordan]

It's a different time, man.

[Dan]

So Living Marxism published an article attacking the ITN reporters coverage of the camps in Bosnia. So the reporters sued them and won a massive judgment in the high court. ITN said that they would give the money they got out of the judgment to the Red Cross, and Living Marxism was put out of business.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The claims that Alex is relying on to deny Milosevic's crimes are actually just libels that have already been adjudicated in court. And he has every reason to know that. But the bigger problem for his show is that that picture was captured during the Bosnian war, not the Kosovo war. If Alex wants to make Slobodan Milosevic into the good guy because he was fighting against Muslims or Albanians in the Kosovo Liberation army, that's wrong. But at least from the conventionally accepted Borders of the time Kosovo was within the territory of Serbia. Sure, you'd be wrong to do so, but Alex could take the position that Slobo carried out atrocities for the sake of putting down a rebellion that was carrying out even greater.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

He could maybe stand on that if

[Jordan]

you wanted to be.

[Dan]

Yeah. But Milosevic began a war against the KLA in 1998. The picture of the man at the concentration camp that was on the COVID of time was from August 1992. That picture was taken in Bosnia and Herzegovina, where the Serb population of that country, with the assistance of Milosevic, were trying to wipe out the Muslim and Croat populations. Sure, Alex is trying to argue that Milosevic is the good guy or lesser of the bad guys in the Kosovo war, But the examples of instances where he thinks the globalists did propaganda false flags are about the Bosnian war. Even that mass graves thing that he's talking about has to do with Serebrudenka, which is in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The UN had decided that Sbrenika was a safe zone. So naturally that led to refugees from around the country going there to escape violence. In 1995, Serb forces stormed Sbrenica and killed over 8,000 people. US intelligence produced satellite images of mass graves, which prompted Bosnian Serb forces to dig up the graves and rebury bodies in various loc. So someone might think that the graves were just manure piles if they came to investigate.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Which is what Alex is perpetuating.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

Alex is saying monstrous stuff here. And, like, it's very inexcusable at this point in 2006 for him to have these takes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But bigger problem, I don't think he knows the difference between Bosnia and Kosovo.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it does feel like that is the case.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't know if he knows the difference between Bosnia and Serbia.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Other than that they're at war. Like, if the details of who's who lost on him. He knows that two people are at war. That's kind of more what I'm getting from him.

[Dan]

I think he understands that it all has something to do with Yugoslavia.

[Jordan]

Right. But he doesn't know where that is.

[Dan]

And something.

[Jordan]

Doesn't know why Muslims are really involved. Because Muslims and commies and. But also, he doesn't really know where Kosovo is.

[Dan]

You know, I think he knows that one a little better.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Because, you know, he's talking about, like, Jim Inhofe. And Jim in. Was a major supporter of Kosovo, Senator.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so, like, I think that Alex understands that one geographically. But I don't know. I don't. I don't know if he understands the distinction between things that happened when and how both have to do with Milosevic. Yeah. I think he. I think he just thinks, like, he's. He's dealing with uprisings or something. Whatever it is. I don't think he comes off as in any way a trustworthy source of information.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Anybody who was listening to this, who had read stuff should probably be like, this guy sounds like a fucking idiot.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. Let me throw this out at you again here. Not to belabor the point, but slow Bo, you know, because I think if I were to go by. If you. Hey, listen, you don't get a trial if you made a mass grave and then made people dig it up to hide that you made a mass grave.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because I feel like the net that. That would catch very small.

[Dan]

Sure. I think that it's unfortunate, but the way that a lot of the atrocities were carried out. Yeah. Were maybe difficult to link directly to Solo Bond. Milosevic.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Because there were, you know, like, Serbian, you know, militias within Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Or Croatia. And, like, I think that maybe some of those mass graves that we were talking about, maybe you wouldn't be able to tie it back to him. Sure. Maybe even some of the concentration camps and shit that would, you know.

[Jordan]

We'll be fine, man.

[Dan]

Weird that Alex likes this guy.

[Jordan]

It's horrifying that he likes this guy.

[Dan]

So this. This next clip, even more horrifying.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Alex Jones]

In one case, refugees all around a UN food center with barbed wire around it, trying to get in to get the food. And they show one guy who had tuberculosis who was very, very skinny. Of course, then if you see the rest of the video, which has now been shown, it shows fat people on either side of him, but they are there, disheveled, begging for food. And they said, look at him in a Serb camp.

[Jordan]

Total lie.

[Alex Jones]

They staged it knowingly. And the ITN individuals have now been proven to be government operatives. This is what they do. And. And so get past your emotion of, I don't like him. He's a. He's a Hitler. Not true. Did they go around and get into ethnic warfare? They try to force people out of certain areas. Yes. Were they first? Yes. Did they not give into the UN and the New world order? Yes.

[Dan]

Okay, so you chose a random date for us to go back to. And I think we've accidentally stumbled onto one of the most revealing moments in Alex's career.

[Jordan]

I mean, this is wild.

[Dan]

He's not opposed to genocide and ethnic cleansing if you just say you didn't start it.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

This is insane.

[Jordan]

I. I mean, okay, like, while I understand the concept of I didn't start it. Once you go force people out of their homes, you are starting it now. You have now started a second part of it.

[Dan]

Did they start an ethnic war and displace. I feel like you can't.

[Jordan]

Yada, yada, yada. That.

[Dan]

Now granted, they did.

[Jordan]

No, that's not okay. That's not even a. That's not like you get one. You don't get any. Hey, come on. Boys will be boys. I'm sure they'll learn their lesson now. Once you take a bunch of people's land, you're probably going to keep doing it.

[Dan]

I can't. I can't imagine Alex, like, being this blunt in the present. This is so. This is so.

[Jordan]

Are we gonna do a little ethnic cleansing? Ice. What do you want? I don't know. It stands for. I see. Ethnic cleansing.

[Dan]

I. It's hard to imagine why you. You know, I. It's. This is difficult because no one. No one really took this seriously.

[Jordan]

It feels like this should have been way more important than it was. I guess. I guess it feels like. So it's 2006.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

The people aren't too interested in Slowbo.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's like a back page story.

[Dan]

He's been in the Hague for five years. Trials been ongoing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So. So I can understand why this doesn't, like, move the needle for a large group of people, but at the same time it should, like, raise your ear and go, wait, he's fine with ethnic Clinton.

[Dan]

We're seven years removed from, like, the end of the Balkan war.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like, so I guess maybe some of the heat of. And I think this is a sweet spot too, because 2006 isn't where, like, social media isn't around.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So people aren't going to be making a big deal out of, like, Alex's wishy washy on ethnic cleansing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

This could disappear into the radio waves.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And people wouldn't be able to, like, you know, remember it.

[Jordan]

It's so. It's so hard to put yourself back in a pre everybody's on Facebook world where it's like anything could turn into the topic of Facebook that day.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Whereas this could just be there and gone and no one would ever remember. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. But then if you take this seriously and you take the position that he has seriously, then, like, obviously he's in favor of expelling absolutely non white people from the United States. He feels like they're trying to start an ethnic war with him.

[Jordan]

It's exactly the.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like, it totally makes sense how brutal he wants things to be. And it explains his. His present day. Like they just should have taken him seriously.

[Jordan]

I mean, it is. It is wild to think that of all the problems that we've had with so many political figures that Alex specifically has had with so many of those political figures, it is the one most like Slobodan Milosevic, that he decided to support.

[Dan]

Yeah. Mm.

[Jordan]

Wild Slobo, Slowbo and Trump are not

[Dan]

that far apart, I think. Yeah. One of them had a better reality show.

[Jordan]

That is true. That is true.

[Dan]

That was keeping up with the slow bow.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

So anything. Anyway, everything that we're told about about

[Jordan]

Milosevic obviously can't be true. It cannot be true.

[Dan]

True.

[Alex Jones]

It's just so amazing that. That what we were told about Slowbo and Arcan and all the rest of these guys, 95 of it wasn't true. Were they hard nose?

[Jordan]

Yeah, but 5% is still a lot of bad things.

[Alex Jones]

Yes. Were their backs against the wall, under attack and under siege?

[Dan]

Yes.

[Alex Jones]

I didn't mean to start the show with this today. I just start looking at this New York times article. Expert suggest Milojevic died in a drug ploy. Yes, he did it. There's no evidence of that. All the evidence is they poisoned him.

[Dan]

So Alex in that clip said the things we hear about Slobo and Arkhan are not true.

[Jordan]

Uh. Oh.

[Dan]

Do you. Do you know that guy?

[Jordan]

Don't remember him.

[Dan]

So Arkhan was the alias of a guy named Zelko Raznotovic who was one of the most brutal and violent warlords in the Balkans up until his death in 2000. He was a bank robber and general criminal until the breakup of Yugoslavia when he decided to start a paramilitary group called the Serb volunteer guard that grew out of, like, football hooliganism. And he's an ambitious crime.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

This was an international terrorist group that killed unknown numbers of people in Bosnia, Croatia and Serbia. He was a thug, not a politician. So Milosevic didn't see Arcan as a threat to his power, but more as like a blunt instrument he could use

[Jordan]

to kill civilians who's not technically his own instrument, but somebody who's acting independently, quote, unquote.

[Dan]

Right. Yeah. He doesn't threaten political power and can probably be crushed by state military power if need be. But for now, he's aimed at the right people.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

This is Fucking insane for Alex to be talking about how we're all lied to about these warlords.

[Jordan]

I mean, it is. It is amazing the idea that you can. Because I don't subscribe to that concept of, like, hey, listen, 95% of what they're telling you is wrong, but within the 5% that they told me was true. You have admitted was ethnic cleansing, kicking people out of their homes.

[Dan]

You interviewed yourself and copped to that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I, I. While I respect that lying is wrong, I don't care in regards to this one. You can't even have 5%. You can't have 2%. You can't have 2%. Ethnic cleansing. That's no right.

[Dan]

Yeah. And let's, like, pump the fucking brakes. These numbers are made up. Absolutely. These percentages are made the fuck up.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. Even by your own ridiculous percentages, you are indicted.

[Dan]

95% of the stuff that I accuse them of saying about these people is a lie.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Okay, well, you're lying about what other people are saying.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So what? Numbers are real.

[Jordan]

Here we are tangled in a web of lies and.

[Dan]

Yeah, I mean, like, what? The numbers can't capture the substance. And I think that there is obviously a much larger political and historical picture that goes into the Balkans and the breakup of Yugoslavia.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Dan]

And it can't be as simply told as, like, the Serbs were bad, the Bosniaks and the Croats were good, or anything like that. And I don't want to give that impression.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think it's possible to view the situation as more complex, as one side versus another. Sure. And still say, like, yeah, Arcan was a fucking brutal warlord who killed civilians and is not deserving of your, like, support.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You don't have to be somebody who's, like, against the Serb population to not look up to him.

[Jordan]

It's very easy. Yeah.

[Dan]

And I don't think that Alex can get there.

[Jordan]

You know what it speaks to? It speaks to the power of that rhetorical trick. You know, that, like, preemptive. Did he kill some people? Yes. Was it for a bad reason? Of course. Did he murder my mom? Maybe. You know, like, you can't.

[Dan]

But whomst among us to judge.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

It's.

[Jordan]

So it's such a ridiculous rhetorical trick as it gets more insane.

[Dan]

Yeah, Yeah. I think that. I think that it's. Why don't take it seriously.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Don't take any rhetorical trick seriously or something like that.

[Jordan]

Let it go.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex sucks, man.

[Jordan]

He really does.

[Dan]

This is bad?

[Jordan]

This is bad.

[Dan]

So caller calls in. Yeah. And asks him, hey man, do you want to run? Do you want to run for president?

[Alex Jones]

Are you willing to run for president? I mean, I'm not going to run for president. Thank you.

[Jordan]

That guy's high.

[Alex Jones]

Number one, I'm not old enough to run for president. You have to be 35 to run for president. I'm 32 years of age. Number two, the presidency is totally bought for, bought off and controlled. We all 60% of people came out in the last election, but on average about 8% come out to vote in local elections when the real power is local. So the presidency itself has turned into a diversion, a distraction. You can forget seizing control of that. You got to start at the lower level first. And no, I don't plan to ever run for political office. We're way past that point. Trying to get control of committee chairmanships and trying to get control of the presidency. It's going to happen at the state level, if it happens at all.

[Dan]

I think that tells you everything you need to know about the shift Alex made in the recent years. Previous to being recruited by Roger Stone, Alex didn't believe that it was possible to seize power on the national level. He knew that the ideas he pushed were things that he could usually make sound decent in long winded, meandering rants, but when it was time to put them into law, no one would be interested. It's awesome to yell about freedom and how the man can't hold back the human spirit, but when you realize that what's behind that is a law making it so employers are free from responsibility for on the job injuries, your enthusiasm fades just a little bit.

[Jordan]

It's a little different.

[Dan]

Alex likes to act like upholding the Constitution is the end all, be all of his philosophy. And part of that is the importance of states rights over the federal government. But that's an actual in the real world, he just recognized that his ideology couldn't compete on the national level. Whereas there was a real chance that a very small number of zealots could change a local election. His shit was unpopular. But unpopular can work when turnout is low enough. When you hear a clip like this, there's a draw towards thinking, wow, Alex sure has changed. But I actually think that this is very compatible with his present day ideology. It's not about whether the states or the federal government should be in charge. It's all about power and how it can be taken. At some point, Alex was convinced that a top down seizure of power was possible. Whereas before he believed that it could only come bottom up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He only could take the states and use that to control the federal government or to disempower it to the point where your states could do whatever they wanted.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I think. I think that's. That's such a great. How would I put it? Like, if you. If you take a look at his words from those different time periods. Right. You see different words, and if you think those different words mean anything, you're absurd. But that goal is what changed the words. That idea of this is what we do to create something small and then go from something big changed once he thought he could get something big and oppress something small.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's just. It's not that the. The words meant anything in either situation. It's just that the goal changed.

[Dan]

Well, no, the goal was the same.

[Jordan]

Well, the goal.

[Dan]

The goal was always taking power.

[Jordan]

Right. The tactics change.

[Dan]

Yeah. What we thought the means to the goal was or what he was pretending was the. The. The way we are going to achieve this thing. That's what changed. Because that was all bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

But he. Because. Because there is this sense that, like, wow, it's not. We're never gonna be able to take over government. We're not gonna get people into these positions. Because he had that. He'd given up on that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There was an appearance and a preaching of like, the only true way according to the Constitution is to go bottom up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that. That was bullshit. That was all fake. That was this. That's all ludicrous. It was all rationalization in service of the only way he felt his side and his extremism could get power.

[Jordan]

Right. Right. Every time we're asked, like, what does Alex really believe? You know, does he believe the shit he's saying? And it's like, you should get rid of the shit he's saying and you should see if this is what he believes is how to get power, he will say it. The end.

[Dan]

And I think that. That, you know, you can oversimplify. You can think that's oversimplified a little bit with, like, just ignore everything he's saying.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Right. That's not true. You should not discount everything. But you shouldn't, like, take him as, like, you shouldn't. A liar isn't always lying.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But a liar is often lying and.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And you can't trust somebody if they're a liar.

[Dan]

Yeah. Anyway, we had another caller and they want to know, hey, who's. Who's going to win this next election. Yeah, it's 2008 election.

[Jordan]

Oh boy.

[Dan]

Now we know that Alex would probably be like head on swivel about this Obama guy.

[Jordan]

It seems like if God was talking

[Dan]

to him, I guess it is 2006. So Obama's not like the biggest figure,

[Jordan]

junior senator from Illinois but God talks to him. Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

God does the talking.

[Dan]

Yeah. He shouldn't need to have media coverage.

[Jordan]

Who do, who do either one of

[Alex Jones]

you, both of you actually think is

[Dan]

going to be our next president?

[Jordan]

And I'll listen.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I've said I don't think the presidency matters. The globalists have got that bought and paid for and it's going to be their, their pony. They always, I mean whether it's Hillary or whether it's some Republican, it doesn't matter. It's the same agenda.

[Jordan]

Jim.

[Caller]

I think it's going to be Mark Warner. But I agree with you. I don't matter.

[Alex Jones]

That's the virgin governor.

[Caller]

Yes. What downsizedc.org is all about is about going around the electoral process and focusing on putting the pressure on the people in office. Making it mind numbing and relentless.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. A lot of people are saying it's going to be the governor of Virginia.

[Caller]

Yeah, he's, he's got, he's the most centrist and he's in the south and I think he's, he kind of follows the pattern of Clinton. I think the Democrats want him and I think George Bush has really hurt the.

[Alex Jones]

I agree with you. And he went to the Bilderberg last year and he's going this year we're told. And so that's, I mean he'll be knighted right there and be sworn in by the Elzey Bob himself. So very, very serious situation. All right.

[Dan]

I guess, I guess it's very serious. I guess if you're anointed at Bilderberg it doesn't really mean anything. Right. Because he, Mark Warner didn't. Yeah, he wasn't present.

[Jordan]

I mean I guess it, it would mean more if you hadn't also run the country into a massive depression. That one that the calculus changes on that one a little bit.

[Dan]

Well, I think, I think Mark Warner is certainly Alex made a documentary about him later. The Warner Deception. Yeah. His predictions are always right. That's one thing we should know.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he's, that's why everybody calls him like, that's why he still gets talked is because he's, he's called so much. Right. You know he's so far ahead of the curve. You can say he's crazy. But now look at where we are. Like a fox genius.

[Dan]

So he's talking to this guy from an organization called downsize D.C. right. Which is kind of funny in hindsight now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I would describe them as a. This term got thrown around a bit during the. During. During the, I guess this era paper terrorism.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Where he's explicitly saying he wants to make it mind numbing to be in government.

[Jordan]

We're gonna send. It's not illegal to send letters. So we're gonna send 10 million letters every day. This guy's gonna have to open each letter and just the very fact that he's gonna get so many paper cuts is gonna make him listen to us.

[Dan]

Yeah. And he explicitly is saying, like, we set out to make it so their paper is jammed in the fax machines.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And like, just make it so government is impossible to function.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And like, that's the mentality they have in 2006 towards the federal government. Yep. And now they're mad if people blow whistles at ICE agents.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, you know, the irony there is, of course, they are doing a better job at keeping the government from working by being in the government than by sending a lot of paper.

[Dan]

Yeah. Well, I mean, there's workarounds, I think, to the paper stuff.

[Jordan]

There they are. It's a lot easier to get around that.

[Dan]

Yeah. You can, you can learn to deal with that. That nuisance, that annoyance. Yeah. Um, whereas them being in charge is just like, you know what?

[Jordan]

I would, I would I. Listen, there are a lot of. There's a lot of shit. Right. And it can't quite be solved by just, you know, talk them ups and whatnot. But I would like it if more administrators in the Trump administration could just be like, we're really not that good at this. Like, we can do some. Some stuff. But like, I don't know. Actuaries, man. I'm actually not that good at this. Like, I would just like that admission.

[Dan]

Hey, can I tell you a secret? Yeah. No one knows what an actuary.

[Jordan]

Exactly. See what I'm saying? Like, I would love it if they were like, honestly, this was a lot harder than I expected.

[Dan]

Mm. All of this. I think it's magic.

[Jordan]

There's so many numbers. Every time I ask a question, all these people use words at me. Terrifying.

[Dan]

Yeah. So the rest of this episode is kind of a dud.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Kind of boring. But I think it's so critical, it's so important. And also, I've been sick so I'm a little light on.

[Jordan]

I agree with you.

[Dan]

And being able to pull myself up on my bootstraps.

[Jordan]

It is such. It is such a weird, random, coincidental thing to go back 20 years based on a number I just chose out of nowhere and discover that Alex is a Slowbow fan. I don't know if that. I don't know if there's any possible way I could have predicted any of that.

[Dan]

It's so weird. I mean, granted, you know, there's a little collaboration in terms of the date, but I didn't choose this specifically for this at all.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

This is a big old surprise.

[Jordan]

I apologize for not giving you full Credit.

[Dan]

I chose 2006.

[Jordan]

You did.

[Dan]

You rejected a couple of years. I mean.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I could have rigged this. It was only. It was only a. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I apologize.

[Dan]

I. It's. It's unnecessary, you know.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You don't need.

[Dan]

You don't need to defend Slobodan Milosevic. Nope, I don't. This is such a noxious position for him to have, I believe. And it's. It's like I said on our last episode, it's not one that he keeps for a very long time. So. What a. Fascinated by, like, what is. What is going to happen here?

[Jordan]

So weird.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So weird. There are so few Slobodan Milosevic supporters then. Now, before then.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, among, like, maybe Serb nationalist.

[Jordan]

Right. But at the end, even there.

[Dan]

Yeah. Not many people on the team diminished.

[Jordan]

There were still some people, but at the end, there really weren't that many. Somehow at the end, Alex jumps on the bandwagon. The. The empty bandwagon of Slow Mo fans.

[Dan]

I like when we are able to see something that's confusing and also somewhat. Maybe too relevant.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In the past. And so I'm appreciative for that.

[Jordan]

It is a light that illuminates a confusion.

[Dan]

Yeah, man. I'm going to keep digging at this thread. I'm going to see what I can learn.

[Jordan]

I think we have to find out all there is to know about this. This is crazy.

[Dan]

Alex's walk with Slowbow.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we'll check back in on that. But until then, we have a website. Indeed we do.

[Jordan]

It's knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

yep. We'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the Sex Robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a first time, caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.