#1123: This Is A Family (Hour) Show

Summary

Knowledge Fight Podcast Summary

Episode #1123: "This Is A Family (Hour) Show"

Release Date: March 9, 2026
Hosts: Dan & Jordan

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Overview

In this episode of Knowledge Fight, Dan and Jordan veer away from the usual rhythm. Rather than analyzing the latest broadcast from Alex Jones directly, they focus on Alex's appearance on comedian Duncan Trussell’s podcast, The Duncan Trussell Family Hour. What unfolds is a probing, often exasperated exploration of Trussell's dynamic with Jones—delving into themes of credulity, nostalgia, media manipulation, and the sad twilight state of "alternative" media personalities. The hosts break down why Trussell's long-awaited "dream guest" booking is not just disappointing, but emblematic of deeper rot among the Rogan-era podcast class.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Bright Spots: Survivor, Baseball, and Silliness

[01:02–06:20]

• Both hosts open with a lighthearted chat (“bright spots”), riffing on the absurdity of how reality TV overdramatizes contestants' embarrassing moments (notably someone pooping their pants on Survivor).
• Jordan shares joy about the World Baseball Classic and marvels at the physical diversity of international players, joking about his “jingo” baseball loyalties.
• This tone sets up a contrast to the rest of the episode, as it’s silly, self-aware, and ultimately about enjoying things harmlessly—counterweight to the credulity analyzed later.

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The Infowars "Doom Date" That Wasn't

[06:20–07:05]

• The hosts note with dry humor that March 7th, Alex Jones’ latest “Infowars is finished” doomsday date, has passed with the show still standing—a running joke exposing Jones’ constant failed predictions.

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Listener Support & Community Shoutouts

[07:05–07:56]

• Dan and Jordan thank new supporters (“policy wonks” and “technocrats”) in their usual, tongue-in-cheek style, echoing Infowars’ own culture.

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Why Review Duncan Trussell's Interview with Alex?

[07:56–12:28]

• Dan expresses nostalgia for Duncan Trussell’s persona during the early Rogan podcast era, contrasting him with less charming members of that circle.
• The hosts set up their core critique: Duncan putting Alex on his show in 2026 is a “bad look,” more desperate than daring, especially as Jones is too toxic even for Rogan.
• Jordan challenges the instinct to excuse Trussell's choices as merely naïve—arguing, “He knows what he’s doing.”

  Jordan [11:44]: “He knows what he's doing. The premise that you've introduced to your understanding of Duncan is incorrect.”

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How Duncan Trussell Frames Alex Jones

[13:15–15:02]

• Clips from Trussell’s intro reveal he lumps Alex Jones together with Abby Martin (antiwar journalist) and a satirical “Donnie Rothschild” character, in a “trinity of glory.”
• Dan points out the irony and hollowness of Trussell’s narrative, noting how he parrots Alex’s self-mythologizing (“kept his ear on the satanic railroad track”) while purporting to be a deep-thinker who “sees through the bullshit.”

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Cognitive Dissonance & Podcasting as Performance

[16:10–22:21]

• The hosts dissect the blurry line between Trussell’s comedic/satirical persona and his actual beliefs; is he mocking, or just credulously elevating Alex?
• They point out that if Trussell can’t distinguish between his fake Rothschild character and Alex, then he’s giving Jones' propaganda unearned legitimacy.
• Jordan: “This is Duncan living out something from his past … he sees 1998 Alex. That’s who he thinks he is talking to.”
• Dan observes that Alex’s sudden willingness to appear on Trussell’s show now (not earlier) reflects Jones’ diminished status—and Trussell’s desperation.

  Dan [21:24]: “This is the ceiling. This is available.”

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The Interview: Bad Media Hygiene and Nostalgic Fictions

[22:34–28:04]

• The episode analyzes Trussell’s early interview questions, which are factually softballs about Alex’s supposed football background and the formative Waco siege.
• Jones downplays his past as an athlete, repositioning himself as a “nerd” or outsider—immediately performing for Trussell’s sensibility.
• Dan highlights the multiple conflicting origin stories Jones deploys in various interviews, none consistent, and how Trussell fails to challenge these.

  Dan [26:26]: “You are a infection point to me. As opposed to someone who I actually am taking seriously.”

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The Seduction of Fun Conspiracy: Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations

[29:22–33:25]

• Trussell is described as a “relatable Muppet,” allowing Jones to revel in bombastic danger while avoiding accountability.
• Both hosts critique the “masturbatory curiosity” genre—Trussell and many fans want to believe in outlandish dark fairy tales (Bohemian Grove, satanic elites, etc) for fun, not truth.
• Trussell, and much of “alt” podcast fandom, want their beliefs “to feel like [they’re] living in a fictional story,” not to confront ugly reality.

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“Liberals Used To Be Cool” and The Dumbing Down of Trussell

[38:46–42:34]

• The pair’s tolerance frays as they hear Trussell parrot all-too-familiar rightwing canards discussed with Alex: liberals have become “cult member bots,” the left was ruined by Antifa at WTO ‘99, and the ACLU “doesn’t defend free speech anymore.”
• The hosts accuse Trussell of either “complete incompetence or willful deception,” especially since he avoids questioning Alex’s close alignment with actual authoritarian rightwingers in power.

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The Hollow Core: Selling Out While Talking Revolution

[55:09–59:10]

• Dan and Jordan are especially inflamed by the juxtaposition of Trussell’s ad reads for Square (Jack Dorsey’s payment company, partnered with a Federal Reserve banker), financial surveillance, and his counterculture posturing.
• Both hosts note the hypocrisy of railing against “corporate AI” while shilling for fintech overlords—in sharp contrast to the earnest, slacker podcasting ethos of previous eras.

  Dan [57:03]: “He either is okay taking money from that source or he doesn’t care where his money comes from … this is a choice.”

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Conspiracies Old and New: Reruns and Revisionist History

[59:18–75:05]

• Jones claims “new” revelations about CIA mind control and poisoned vaccines—but Dan points out these are decades old and being recycled for credulous audiences.
• Trussell performs amazement (“Holy shit!”), never interrogating, always letting Jones' narrative slide.
• Deep dive into the origins and myth of Jones’s Bohemian Grove infiltration: it’s now reframed by Jones as “just gay stuff” among Republican elites, not Satanic ritual.
• Jordan notes this re-write frauds Trussell and other fans who invested in the prior, darker story:

  Dan [68:31]: “The disappointment that Duncan is expressing is...knowing that he’s talking to the guy who scammed him.”

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The Gay Panic Problem & Duncan’s Abdication

[75:51–80:46]

• A protracted (and deeply uncomfortable) run through Alex suggesting he was ogled by men at Bohemian Grove—complete with Nixon’s infamous “it’s the most goddamn faggy thing you ever saw” slur.
• The hosts eviscerate this segment as evidence that the real horror for Alex, and by extension Trussell’s credulous audience, is not the “occult” but latent homophobia and 80s “gay panic.”
• Jordan: “You killed Gene Hackman,” follows a long riff connecting grimoire magic, Jones’ origin stories, and the theme of spiritual fraudulence.

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Questionable Sources, AI, and Spirituality—Pot Talk and Empty Claims

[81:24–92:28]

• Jones launches into increasingly fantastical claims: humans have superpowers, globalists are exterminating us for our “goodness,” Stubblebine/“Men Who Stare at Goats” psychic warfare.
• Trussell never challenges these stories, instead performing awe and non-judgment.
• Duncan openly admits his information diet is bad, but never extends this skepticism to Jones' own shoddy sources.
• Dan observes that if Trussell wanted “internet hygiene,” asking Jones is ironically the worst possible research method, but Trussell lacks courage or inclination to press further.

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BlueChew Boners and AI “Slaves”

[91:20–104:17]

• The problem deepens as Trussell reads an ad for BlueChew (erectile dysfunction pills) whose parent company has been caught selling customer data—the ultimate sellout move for self-styled “psychonauts” talking about resisting the machine.
• The show then spirals into techno-mysticism: AI as a spiritual entity created to serve humanity, recursively mimicking mankind’s worst and best impulses.
• Dan and Jordan observe that the show has become indistinguishable from “pot talk”—incoherent, fun on the surface, but ultimately hollow in the context of Trussell's professed values.

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Final Takeaways

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Dan [14:45]: "Duncan really can only give this introduction if his awareness of Alex is surface level... He's supposed to be a psychonaut...but you’re giving a cookie-cutter, mainstream version of Alex Jones."
• Jordan [33:25]: "We want to feel like we're living in a fictional story and we have archetypes from media we grew up liking...rather than, 'it's just some asshole who wants to make a couple more dollars.'"
• Dan [41:34]: "I want to extend Duncan as much grace as possible, but it’s really hard when he has these criticisms of the left while interviewing Alex...it's not cute, dopey, fun guy."
• Dan [68:31]: "The disappointment that Duncan is expressing is...knowing that he's talking to the guy who scammed him."
• Jordan [102:08]: "Don't be having this conversation with someone who basically supports segregation. All you're doing is laundering those horrible things he actually supports."

The Core Critique

• Trussell’s blend of credulity and irony ultimately enables Jones, not challenges him. By blurring lines between satire and hagiography, he normalizes and rehabilitates a toxic, propagandistic figure.
• The Rogan podcast orbit’s late-stage dregs are defined by nostalgia, corporate shilling, and a lack of courage to confront the monsters they once deified.
• Podcasting’s countercultural edge, once about weird honesty and earnest curiosity (“come see me live in Bloomington!”), is now neutered by ad reads for surveillance capitalists and recycled conspiracy drama.

Most Memorable Exchange

Duncan Trussell [67:05]: "You want it to be a stone... I want it to be granite. I don't want it to be...shabby."
Dan [68:31]: "The disappointment that Duncan is expressing is...knowing that he's talking to the guy who scammed him."

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:02–06:20] – Bright Spots and banter
• [13:15–15:02] – Duncan’s hyped intro for Alex Jones
• [16:10–22:21] – Is Trussell sincere or merely performing?
• [29:22–33:25] – Why people want conspiracy to feel “fun”
• [38:46–42:34] – The “liberals used to be cool” fallacy and willful blindness
• [55:09–59:10] – Square ad read and selling out
• [67:05–68:31] – Bohemian Grove owl: the fantasy vs. sad reality
• [75:51–79:21] – Alex’s Bohemian Grove “gay panic” story
• [81:24–92:28] – AI, superpowers, fake sources, spiritual pot talk
• [91:20–92:28] – BlueChew and the price of “independence”

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Tone & Language

The hosts wield a sardonic, sometimes exasperated, and fiercely analytical tone—interpersed with flashes of absurdist humor and self-deprecation (“I want to preserve some idea of Duncan as like, not a horrible person”). Their language is casual but precise, suited to a deeply online, podcast-literate audience.

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Conclusion

This episode is a prime example of Knowledge Fight at its sharpest—demystifying the flair and fantasy of conspiracy podcasting, exposing both the ideological bankruptcy and the heartbreak of watching former “honest” weirdos sell out for stale downloads and fintech money. The episode’s relentless dissection leaves listeners with little hope for the podcast counterculture, but ample clarity about the dangers of mistaking performative fun for genuine truth-seeking or resistance.

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In sum:
If you haven't listened, you now know: Duncan Trussell's "family hour" with Alex Jones is less a singular event in countercultural podcasting than a diagnosis of its failure—a soft landing into corporate, fetid irrelevance, where the line between satire and nihilism, rebellion and collusion, is not just blurred, but erased.

Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert. Knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight. Need.

[Dan]

Need money.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Dan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a caller.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot? Well, look, I love to open the door for people. I love to, you know, go last. But this march, and so that means I'm going first.

[Jordan]

You have to.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Tradition.

[Dan]

Now, look, this is corrective, okay? This is a little bit corrective from my last bright spot. I think I was a little too positive about Survivor.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy. Wow.

[Dan]

I think that I was a little too down on myself for being down on Survivor.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

Cause, like, okay, there's this guy.

[Jordan]

It's a real roller coaster of emotions you're on here.

[Dan]

There's this guy on the season, Christian, who he was on season 37 and he was a fan favorite. He's great.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He's a robot engineer nerd and he made friends with Johnny. Johnny wrestling. No, Johnny wrestling is Johnny Gargano. Johnny Nitro. Johnny drip drip is John Morrison.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

It was fun. The two of them made friends. Anyway, he's Christian the robot nerd is back on. On this season now. And he pooped his pants. And they made a big deal out of it. Sure. Now here's my problem with this. Yeah. I think they're all probably pooping their pants quite a bit.

[Jordan]

Okay, Right. I mean, who made a big deal out of the producer but not the people in. Not the tribe.

[Dan]

Oh, no. They were laughing at him a bit.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But you know, you would laugh. You would expect to be laughed at a little bit.

[Dan]

I would assume maybe the first instance of a. Oh, is he pooping his. No, it just happened this one time in the show.

[Jordan]

Strange circumstances. You shit yourself. That's fine.

[Dan]

Your diet is fundamentally changing.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

You're exerting yourself more. Anyway, I think that the show went out of its way to quirk it up with him as like, oh, I shit my pants. And it made me like him as a character less. And that was the producer's fault.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Dan]

And so that is why I'm taking

[Jordan]

a little bit of a. Yeah, I accept no judgment for that. That the number of people I've seen poop their pants for way less good reasons. Way less good reasons.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

No, And I didn't judge them. And they were in the alley in Chicago.

[Dan]

Yeah. And if it happens every season, like, why are we dwelling on it in season 50? Come on. These people are shitting.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, what's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is. Follow up on my bright spot a few. Couple of weeks ago. The World Baseball Classic Classic in full flow. Fantastic.

[Dan]

You loving that crack?

[Jordan]

Going great. Oh, man, Schwarber, my favorite baseball player hit it. Just cracked it out of the.

[Dan]

What about Shohei?

[Jordan]

Well, show is playing for Japan right now, so you see how it works, right?

[Dan]

But he's still your favorite baseball player.

[Jordan]

Well, obviously. But that's like saying, God's my favorite God, you know, like, there's supposed to only be one. Ostensibly.

[Dan]

So Shohei is your favorite.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

But temporarily you have to act like he's not because he's playing for.

[Jordan]

He's playing for Japan. Yeah, absolutely. And you know me, I'm as jingo as they come. Yeah, I love them. But the best part of the World Baseball Classic, as I told you, was the number of people who should not be playing professional baseball with professional baseball players.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it is. It is astonishing because Aaron Judge is on the Team USA. He is 6 foot 8. He weighs like 280 pounds. And it is all. It's all muscle. Like, he looks fucking insane next to some of these guys who are like 5 foot 4, who are the biggest guy in their hometown. Like, it is crazy to see these two back to back. It's fantastic.

[Dan]

What position does he play, Judge?

[Jordan]

He's a outfielder.

[Dan]

That big? That's. That seems.

[Jordan]

Oh, he's. He's a. You know how linebackers used to be like, the faster big guys, but now you see defensive linemen weigh 350 pounds and run like 4.

[Dan]

4.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he's like that.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Been a while since I've watched baseball. I just picture them as much tinier dudes.

[Jordan]

No, he's. He's the home run non Steroids version. Although when you look at him, you're like, people have to do steroids to compete with that. If that's from. From being born, then in order to compete with that, I have to do steroids. So in a way, he's kind of validates the steroid era.

[Dan]

Interesting.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So who's your pick for the Classic?

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, the last, the last few games Japan has played, they. They look shaky and they're the. They're probably. They won last year in a. In a fantastic close.

[Dan]

You don't think Ohtani can just carry them on his back?

[Jordan]

I mean, that's the question. Because Team USA is stacked. They have the best team by a margin that is hard to quantify. It's crazy how good their team is.

[Dan]

So I'm hearing, basically it's going to come down to US and Japan. Probably you. That's your. That's your prediction.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but I mean, that's the way it's come down the last time and

[Dan]

the last 50 years.

[Jordan]

Basically, there are two nations that fucking love baseball, and they're the two that wind up winning the World Baseball Classic. Isn't that crazy?

[Dan]

Well, I hope you enjoy it. I hope it's a good time.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Dan]

I hope that your two favorite players have to go up against each other.

[Jordan]

Me to get torn. Oh, it'll be great.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. And, you know, if you look at the calendar.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you look at the clock. Sure. You might notice that something has happened. And that is March 7th has come and gone.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And it appears that Infowars is still in business. How about that? And hasn't gone under like Alex predicted.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wild.

[Dan]

But it's still a weekend when we're recording this.

[Jordan]

True.

[Dan]

Who knows what devil relies in the weekend?

[Jordan]

Maybe they. Maybe they just couldn't get enough people to work on the weekend. They got to wait till Monday.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

It happens.

[Dan]

So I don't want to over commit to something like, Alex is gone. He's out of business. So I thought, hey, let's just go way off the beaten path, all right? We're gonna do something different. All right. Today. But first, before we get to that, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, a sudsy soliloquy. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Thank you very much.

[Jordan]

Thank you.

[Dan]

Next. Taliban. Tim, you have seven days. Your dog peed on my Bed. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And Andrew Beefcake, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got to take him credit in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to welcome to world Benjamin. So sorry. You'll soon know Alex's voice as well as your own parents. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Four star.

[Alex Jones]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

So we're gonna talk about Alex being on another show here in a moment.

[Alex Jones]

All right.

[Dan]

But before I reveal what that is, he said something that I think is a perfect summation of his career that I'm going to present as an out of context drama.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, that sounds like bull. Cause it is.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Well, there you go.

[Dan]

That's.

[Jordan]

I think it sounds like it.

[Dan]

Cause it is 1100 episodes in. I can say there's nothing to help you understand this dumb fuck than that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, if it sounds like bull, that's because it is. Done.

[Dan]

So Alex was just on Duncan Trussell's podcast, the Duncan Trussell Family Hour.

[Jordan]

Duncan Trussell?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Same Duncan Trussell, new and improved. The one I know.

[Dan]

I mean, physically. I mean, I guess his cells have reproduced since the last time you thought about him or saw him.

[Jordan]

Yeah, every seven years, the boat of

[Dan]

Theseus has changed all of his blood.

[Jordan]

There you go. Yeah, maybe it's how it works.

[Dan]

And maybe he was never real to begin with because, ooh, he could be a hologram or something.

[Jordan]

That sounds like something he would say.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I used to love Duncan Trussell.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that was fun.

[Dan]

Back in a time when Joe Rogan's podcast really was just drunk or stoned comedians telling mostly untrue stories. Duncan was the one who seemed the coolest to me. Rogan himself was a jock, and he seemed like the type who is prone to violence. Joey Diaz was a creepy old dude who clearly didn't respect other people's boundaries, but could tell an amazing, mostly untrue story.

[Jordan]

God, he could tell a great story.

[Dan]

Bert Kreischer was an aging alcoholic who seemed like he'd be fun to party with for a night. And he could tell an amazing, mostly untrue story really well. But past a day, I don't know if I want to be around that.

[Jordan]

No. Too many times to see a man take a shirt off.

[Dan]

Ari Shafir seemed like a bully, and for the most part, Tom Sikura seemed fine, but whatever. But Duncan was different. I'm not sure I've ever seen him do a set of stand up, and if I have, I certainly don't remember his material. I don't think I've heard him say anything that's particularly funny. And honestly, most of his stories about drugs are the kind of stories that could be true and untrue at the same time. Like a Hunter S. Thompson piece.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He was like, I get you're accurately describing the feeling of being high. Yeah. But the details that you're using are heightened and not true.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Even though I wasn't actually sure what it was that Duncan did that was so great, it was clear to me that he felt special and maybe he was. It seemed like he could be one of Rogan's friends who'd be able to transcend the downfall of his orbit. And it was looking good for a little bit. But the other day, Duncan released an episode of his podcast, the Duncan Trussell Family Hour, with his guest being Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

Joe won't have Alex on at this point, so it's pretty hard not to see this as Duncan picking up scraps, which on its own is pretty sad. It's a bad look. Not, not like having followed Duncan's career super closely for the past years. This is not, this is not a marquee moment.

[Jordan]

You know, I, I. Here's the thing about Duncan. Here's the thing about Duncan. From time to time, he can trick you into wanting to make excuses for his inability to think clearly on his behalf. So my instinct, my, my, like, my initial reaction to this is like, what is it that Duncan is missing that allowed him to do this? But he wasn't missing anything. That's, that's bullshit. No, that's an illusion.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Duncan knows what he's doing.

[Dan]

The premise that you've introduced to your understanding of Duncan is incorrect.

[Jordan]

It is. He knows what he's doing.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And this, I don't know. This is a look, There's a lot, a lot of times I can listen to, I can listen to a whole Patrick Bet David interview.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I didn't make it through this.

[Jordan]

I believe you. I can't imagine listening To. First off, I can't imagine listening to Alex talk to Duncan Trussell, but I really can't imagine listening to Duncan go off on his bullshit while Alex is trying to, like, tag team with him.

[Dan]

Yeah, there was a part of it that, like, I still thought Duncan seemed. He seems fun and that's part of the problem.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But like, he. It's so boring. It just got so fucking boring, the two of them talking, that I. I had to turn it off, like.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

With a little bit left in the episode. So I don't know if there's a big reveal at the end. Didn't make it. Anyway, here's where we start things off.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Duncan Trussell]

Welcome, friends. Before we dive into this important, perhaps the most important episode of the dtfh, I've got to go through my dates. Won't you come see me in person? You can find me in Bloomington, Indiana.

[Dan]

I wonder if Duncan even knew which episode he was recording this plug for when he called it the most important episode on his show. If he did, that's pretty funny. But I will. I'll say that I kind of like hearing someone plug their live dates at the beginning of a show like that. Feels like what podcasting is for. For comedians trying to drive traffic to your live dates. Yeah, this makes sense.

[Jordan]

It's the classic traditional podcasting that we came of age with.

[Dan]

It was, it was shocking to hear, I guess 2026, because the beginning of so many podcasts are just like long strings of ads.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep. And then the middle is whenever they do an ad and they announce their tour dates and then do another ad. And then

[Dan]

so Duncan, he's hyping up this, this episode before it gets going. And I think it's something. I don't get his vibe, man.

[Duncan Trussell]

And now, my friends, I continue a string of powerful historic episodes of the dtfh. Just in the last few episodes, we have had Donnie Rothschild, scion to the Rothschild empire, Abby Martin, who is single handedly potentially going to take down the military industrial complex.

[Jordan]

Good luck.

[Duncan Trussell]

The icing on the cake in this trinity of glory, which is what I'm calling the last three episodes. Host of Infowars, host of the Alex Jones show, the man who's kept his ear on the satanic railroad track that the Illuminati rides their little demonic choo choo train back and forth from hell on Alex Jones.

[Dan]

Duncan really can only give this introduction of his awareness of Alex's surface level, which is the ultimate irony about the character that he plays himself. Yeah, that is this like, oh, I gotta get to the bottom. I see. I see through the bullshit. You're giving like a cookie cutter mainstream media ass version of Alex.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You believe is real. He's supposed to be a psychonaut who sees through the illusions of the world. He's not just someone who takes a headline at face value. He's supposed to be deeper. But any engagement with Alex's career and what he does wouldn't allow you to look at him as a guy who's kept his ear to the satanic railroad, whatever the fuck he's saying. That impression of Alex is really only possible if you take in Alex's marketing and accept that without much further questioning. I don't know enough about Abre Martin to speak on her too much, but I'm pretty sure she's not gonna take down the military industrial complex. And Donnie Rothschild is a fake character that Drossel has on his show who pretends to be a part of the Rothschild family. And this is where it gets kind of murky. And we need to view this with a little bit of caution because of humor. Duncan's presenting this as a powerful trio of guests and giving equal weight to Abby Martin, who's meant to be taken as a serious journalist, and Donnie Rothschild, who's a joke character. Including Alex in that trio makes a strange broth. And I think it's important to be clear up front that Duncan's still doing a show that aims to be funny and that has to weigh in the evaluations of the things they say.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I still think, you know, I can. I can tell that he's not just putting on Alex for humor. Yeah, he. But it. That that trio is strange.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it suggests like. And his. The problem I have is that preamble bullshit he uses for everything, you know, that like he searches for the Illuminati of bl. He says that about anybody doing anything all the time. This guy. It's always about piercing through the veil and shit like that. And then to have to even suggest that somebody would single handedly take down the military industrial complex is like, that has to be funny. That has to be a. I could

[Dan]

see that as being an exaggeration or an embellishment of something he truly believes about her as a journalist.

[Jordan]

Right. That's the question.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Is he mocking her?

[Dan]

He can't. He can't be.

[Jordan]

But in order to make sense, in order for the whole thing to make sense, she is actually the one who is taking the blow here.

[Dan]

Either he has to be making fun of her. Or he's taking Alex seriously.

[Jordan]

Yes, exactly. And that is like, who's. Who is in trouble here.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

So Alex, he's always wanted. Or Duncan's always wanted to have Alex on.

[Jordan]

I believe that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Alex Jones, I got to tell you right away, man, you are in my top three dream guests for this podcast. I've wanted you on this show for so long. And thank you for.

[Alex Jones]

I wanted to. Come on. I'm a huge fan of yours. Forever.

[Jordan]

Shut the fuck up.

[Alex Jones]

15 years ago with Joe.

[Duncan Trussell]

Thank you. Yeah. Oh, listen, you know, that's where I first met you, was through Joe. Not in the. In the flesh, but when I got to be friends with Joe, we go over to his house, get stoned, and we had, like, old school Infowars, Alex Jones stuff on vhs, and we'd sit and watch it and just freak the,

[Alex Jones]

you know, I know jokes. It's like, I met him in 98. We got to know him as friends in 99. But he called in on 911 when I was saying they blew up the towers. He was like. He was like, you're going too far. And I'm not criticizing. He said that because it was the day of. But I'm always proud that Joe called in on 9 11.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wow.

[Alex Jones]

Pretty crazy.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

So if Duncan has had Alex as a dream guest forever and it's only happening now in 2026, he should read a little bit into that.

[Jordan]

Mmm.

[Dan]

Alex has been on Joe's other Friends shows in the past, so this should have been a pretty simple booking if he ever really wanted to do it. Yeah. I mean, for fuck's sake. Daria emailed us.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

About Alex.

[Jordan]

Duncan. Alex would like to come on your show.

[Dan]

It was in 2018.

[Jordan]

Yep. You better believe it.

[Dan]

Duncan could have had him on at any time.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, God, this is. This is. I'm. I'm a little taken aback. I'm. I'm on my back heels.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

I'm on my back heels here. Because I. I'm. I'm confused. I'm confused as to how this is going to go. I don't. I don't see these two jiving together. I see no possible way that either of them can. Can like. Yes. And each other. Duncan is Duncan and Alex is Alex. How? How?

[Dan]

Well, it's, you know, it's like. You know, they say chocolate and peanut butter is two flavors that are meant to go together.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Peanut butter and piss.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I was gonna say not.

[Dan]

They don't go well together, but they both serve a function if you need to evacuate, sure. Your urinary tract.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is the way to go.

[Jordan]

I suppose if you are in the post apocalypse and you come upon some peanut butter. Mm, sure, somebody peed on it, but that's still peanut butter, you know, and urine is.

[Dan]

I completely fucked up my metaphor and I don't know how to make it, but I'm high as Duncan Trussell right now, so you have to forgive my mind.

[Jordan]

It is. It's like.

[Dan]

But like, they are. They do work together. Somehow they meld. But it's bad.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's not entertaining. Their energies are off. But Duncan clearly is, like, really into Alex. And Alex.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is fine with him.

[Jordan]

I think it's. I think it's fascinating on two levels. First, clearly, this is Duncan living out something from his past that he hasn't been able to get out of his head.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because when he and Joe used to get high and watch VHS tapes of Alex pretending to be a revolutionary thing were inspired by that.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. This is the guy that he. When he sees him, he sees 1998 Alex. That's who he is, he thinks he is talking to. Which of course means that he has no idea what Alex is. What Alex's show has been for, what, 20 years.

[Dan]

He's just bought the hype and whatever bullshit maybe Rogan's told him and, like, kept this idea of that 98 Alex in his head. And that's kind of sad.

[Jordan]

And then the second thing is, if Alex is coming on his show now, that means that Alex thinks now that he is going to be welcomed in a more ideological manner by Duncan than he perhaps would have five or six years ago.

[Dan]

That. And he doesn't think he has the ability to get on, like, other things.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

This is the ceiling.

[Jordan]

This is available.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Duncan starts off the interview and I think Alex gets weirdly defensive about something.

[Duncan Trussell]

I wonder if you could shed a little light on how you got on this path. Because, you know, I was doing some research on. You saw you were a. Your dad was a dentist, you're a football player. And I'm trying to picture. And you and I, we're the same age, so we have the same sort of memories as far as global events go and stuff. I'm thinking back when I was in high school and, you know, you meet somebody, they derail you, they introduce you to music or whatever. Who introduced you? Who is the first person who started showing you that maybe things aren't exactly the way the news makes them seem?

[Alex Jones]

Well, I don't know where you heard I was a football player. I was. I did play football till I was, like, a sophomore, and I was terrible. So I was good enough to be on the team and get run over and get bones broken. So.

[Duncan Trussell]

You were a football player, man. So. And you could see it. You're like. You could see it to this day. Like, you've got that athletic thing going on.

[Alex Jones]

I was good enough to make the team and get run over.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

I was like, I can't believe on this team getting my. I actually quit because I was. I'm. I don't mind getting hurt for a reason, but I was. I'm actually wimped out, so.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay, okay, well.

[Alex Jones]

But where did put me on varsity when I was, like, a junior? I was being run over by huge black dudes, and I was like, I've had enough of this. So I'm actually huge pussy. So I don't know where it got in the lore. I've been playing football. I did, and it was. It was. It was.

[Dan]

It's not a constant thing, but Alex does talk about playing football a bunch on his show, and he's even talked about a football coach that he had was super, who's, like, into the new world order stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That he remembers back. He's like, oh, my favorite teacher.

[Alex Jones]

My God.

[Dan]

Alex is strangely defensive, and I think it's because of nerds versus jocks.

[Jordan]

I agree. I think that's exactly what he's doing right now.

[Dan]

I think he thinks that if he admits to being a football player, he is Duncan's enemy in an 80s movie.

[Jordan]

100%. That is. It feels his psychopathy. Like triangulating. Oh, no, no, no. I need to be. I need to be. Not the physical imposing Alex to Duncan. Otherwise that's going to adjust our dynamic.

[Dan]

I can't be threatening to this dork

[Jordan]

because a smaller fella.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. Also, if you hear, like, a lot of breathing, that's Alex.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that sounds right.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's unsettling, heavy breathing that Alex does throughout this. So they. They. You know, I think Duncan's question is an interesting one. Like where you have a friendship that sets you on a course.

[Jordan]

I wonder if we should be doing interviews on behalf of Alex because you're not going to get a real answer from Alex. Like, we could give a more accurate answer.

[Dan]

I think it would be fascinating if someone could trick Alex into doing an interview and then ask us the same questions.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And then air them back to back.

[Jordan]

Yes, that would be interesting.

[Dan]

Yeah. But the question is, I think If Alex were to actually answer it. Interesting. Like some friend that you had who opened your mind.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

But instead Alex is just kind of the standard stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Family was in intelligence, blah blah, blah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. I grew up in Rockwell, suburb of Dallas. And my dad was a dentist and my mom had like a degree in history, was a homemaker. But I've told the story before, but maybe you didn't know it. People always go, oh my God, he's a spy. No, I mean I had. My mom's brother was an Iran Contra. Was army special Operations. And then I had some other family out of World War II that had dusted World War II. And they were always talking bad about the government and the plan for world government and all this stuff. Yeah. So it was kind of background noise just growing up.

[Duncan Trussell]

Wow.

[Alex Jones]

Hearing about this stuff.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And so I think that kind of primed me. I didn't really have an interest in politics until we moved out here when I was about a junior in high school. My dad sold his dental offices. We moved down to Austin and Waco happened right after that. And then we're just watching the news, all this stuff was happening.

[Duncan Trussell]

Can I stop you on Waco, please?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

This is already a lie because we know that by the time Alex was a junior in high school, he'd already been a Satanist for a brief stretch. And he was turned on to the New World Order from reading None Dare. Call it conspiracy when he was 12. Plus God gave Alex a huge download that told him his future as a child. And he was crafted in the womb as a weapon against the devil. So this whole. I didn't have an interest in politics until I was 17. Shit is. Is dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the Duncan's just gobbling it all up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, I suppose. I suppose this is something that most people don't think of, which is the idea that when I am interviewing this person, they are giving me completely different answers than when they're talking to one of their own. You know, like that. That boggles my mind how many people don't realize that when. When you're not one of his groups so you don't count to him. You're just an outsider when he goes back to best.

[Dan]

A conduit to whoever listens to your show.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

You are a infection point to me. As opposed to someone who I actually am taking seriously.

[Jordan]

Right. Like you would. You would assume if you were seeing a person who is Alex. Alex looks like a human being. You would be like, well, at least the answers would be similar from one place to another. Sure, there's little flourishes. Sure, there's little differences, but the idea of, like, oh, well, this guy is going to tell me this, but. And then he's going to go to the next room and say that he was told it by God.

[Dan]

Yeah. No one has perfect consistency, but, like, overarching, thematic lying. Yeah. Is. It's a telltale sign.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And that is the second part. He is not telling you the truth, even though you might feel like, oh, this is the. This is the truth. And he doesn't tell the truth on his other show. Right. Because that's the crazy one. This is whenever he's talking to the reasonable person.

[Dan]

Here's a twist. Yeah. Both are not true. Yep.

[Jordan]

Exactly. None of it's true.

[Dan]

It's not like one has to be true. They can both be lies.

[Jordan]

Can both be lies.

[Dan]

He's lying to you and lying about God.

[Jordan]

He's just a liar.

[Dan]

Yep. So I was interested, though, that. That Duncan is like, hey, man, what about that? Waco. Let's talk Waco.

[Jordan]

Let's talk. Let's talk Waco.

[Dan]

I was interested in, like, what is his question gonna be? We're so early in the interview.

[Duncan Trussell]

Can I stop you on Waco, please? Because I don't know, this is something that occurred to me, and it's really crazy. You were at Waco with Bill Hicks. Bill Hicks went up there to film some stuff. And Timothy McVeigh. You. Timothy McVeigh, Bill Hicks, and obviously Koresh were at Waco at the same time. Now, you're the only survivor of those four. You know, they executed Bill Hicks. Pancreatic cancer. But I just think about how. How come someone hasn't just made a movie about those days when people were coming up there to. To see this horror that was happening, to see this thing that was probably confirming for you all that background noise that you were hearing.

[Alex Jones]

Well, sure. I mean, just be clear. I had just gotten out of high school.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And so I was here in Austin, and I did go up there and talk about it, but I hadn't even gotten in media yet, so I technically was there right after it happened. Right. Not right when it blew up like the days after. And so it was bizarre that was going on. And then I met Kevin Booth, who I met Joe Rogan through a comedy producer, and he'd been Bill Hicks's producer. And so that's where that crazy rumor started that I'm Bill Hicks, which is hilarious.

[Duncan Trussell]

Which is a huge compliment. And I'll tell you, I Want.

[Alex Jones]

I don't think I'm gonna look much like.

[Duncan Trussell]

I know. One late night, I went down that rabbit hole. I'm looking at pictures of you and Bill Hicks. And, you know, because you are funny. I mean, that's one of the things that's really interesting about you. You're kind of like a gonzo journalist. You're some kind of, like, combination of, like. Oh, God, Hunter S. Thompson. You've got some Hunter S. Thompson in you. But you're a journalist. You're a journalist. You're a hard worker, too. I can't imagine what your schedule's like.

[Dan]

This is the Duncan Trussell difference. This is why he's good at this shit. Because he's a real idiot. But he seems relatable and fun.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's so many documentaries that have been made about Waco and the aftermath. And Alex's producer, Mike Hanson, even shot a bunch of stuff about Alex getting involved with helping rebuild the church. Yeah, but there might not be a documentary that focuses on the fact that Alex Jones, Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh and Bill Hicks were all there at the same point. Yeah, maybe. It's kind of a crazy piece of trivia to think of, particularly if you're stoned, but I'm not sure if it means anything. And that's where Duncan Trussell shines. Yeah, that's the sweet spot.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It doesn't mean anything, but blow.

[Jordan]

Not sure it means anything, but also it blows my mind is what Duncan Trussell is here for.

[Dan]

He's so intensely likable and has such a fun vibe that you start to evaluate the stuff he's saying with a diminished expectation.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's the soft bigotry of diminished expectations.

[Jordan]

I told you.

[Dan]

Because you don't have the same demand that a psychonaut like him who's done every drug imaginable, be able to keep his thoughts organized. You just enter it with a like, oh, look at this. You might as well be a fucking Muppet.

[Jordan]

Is bothersome to me just how much you have revealed that I think he's a fucking Muppet.

[Alex Jones]

Yes.

[Dan]

The game that Duncan plays is one of selective curiosity. And I don't really fault it too much, but also I think it needs to be understood what it is. He's so curious, like a little puppy, about things that are fun for him to think about, like whether or not Alex is Bill Hicks, or if four people being at Waco is suspicious, but he's not really all that curious about other stuff that's inconvenient or not fun. Like whether or not Alex is a gonzo journalist. If you question whether Alex is Bill Hicks or if those four people being at Waco means anything, you get nowhere. It's masturbatory questioning and curiosity, which is fine to engage in. It's fun. It's what people do. It's kind of socializing. And a lot of creative shit pops out of that kind of mental play. So I understand why people do it. I don't think it's wrong.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Conversely, if you question the premise of whether or not Alex is a gonzo journalist, that isn't a question that goes nowhere. He has a long track record that we've been exploring for years and it doesn't hold up. If Duncan began to question his faith in the illusion of Alex, it would be threatening to his sense of fun. Because what if he learns like something about him being a malevolent racist? Yeah. What does it mean? Like, about how important Alex was in shaping his conspiracy brain once he learns that new piece of information? What does it mean about Joe Rogan's decades long friendship with him when he realizes Alex is full of shit? Yep. He's not curious about that. He's curious about fun stuff.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yep.

[Dan]

Even scary stuff is fun. Like a horror movie. Like how there's demons that walk among us.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's fun still.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It is another example of how what. What I've learned over our years is how everybody either wants to believe the bullshit or requires belief in the bullshit to make their money. And that that's, you know, Media Matters requires belief in the bullshit to make their money off of him. He requires his bullshit to make the money off of him. But Duncan Trussell, it's more fun to believe that there is a Hunter S. Thompson out there doing Alex Jones shit. It doesn't. He doesn't need it.

[Dan]

And I don't think. I don't know if I have this clip even or not, but at one point he even is saying it's more fun to believe like, that people at Bohemian Grove are doing satanic rituals.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Dan]

There's a desire that people have. And I honestly think a lot of that is because we want to feel like we're living in a fictional story and we have archetypes from media that we grew up liking. Yep. That. That are much more fun to project onto things than like, now it's just some asshole who wants to make a couple more dollars.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah. I mean, that's. It is not hard to understand why people don't like, look directly at It.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

It's. It's no fun when, like, we look directly at it. That's.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

We make our fun out of it. But, like, to. To suddenly reveal that that guy that you have spent 25, 30 years with, that you got high and read and listened and read and was like, oh, is he Bill Hooks? To just be a racist propagandist and take it.

[Dan]

Take it even a step further. The only reason you even really have a career is. Is because of your mutual friend Joe Rogan.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he has supported this guy. How threatening is that to your identity? You used to get high and watch this guy's tapes with the guy who is now the most famous podcaster in the world, who has a bunch of fucking weirdo billionaires on and probably swung the last election.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's. It is. It is a different version of the very same boys club network that protects abusers in all forms and fashion. It's that same thing of like, well, sure, maybe I know he was an abuser, but my job relies on him. So if I just look over here, then maybe I don't know that he's an abuser.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, this is looking the other way, but the. It feels a little bit more fun because it has, like, psychedelics and. And sort of, ooh, magic spells.

[Jordan]

But that's how we know that's where he's the most dangerous is whenever he's taken out of his Nazi world and allowed to pretend to be with. With Duncan.

[Dan]

I would agree. So Duncan asks Alex about Waco, and I think that I would love to hear more about it, but instead, Alex just talks about his own career on public access.

[Duncan Trussell]

But tell me about those days. You were up there in Waco, witnessing the smoldering ruins of this, like, home where I don't know how many kids were incinerated by Janet Reno. What was that like?

[Alex Jones]

Well, I had just got out of high school, and Access TV started in Austin. In New York, they debate where it started first, like, 40, 45. Whenever it was in the. Whenever it was a long time ago. And so there were all these activists that were doing their own things and shooting interviews and stuff. And I was going down there out of high school right as it happened, wanting to be involved. I said, well, just get in this van with us. We're going up there and we're talking to survivors, the few they just let out of jail, and we're going after the site, and it's still black, and we're. And they're, like, going look, they say they didn't use CS tear gas, but here's the illegal canister. And Jesus Wesley Clark, the former attorney general, you know, under famous presidents is showing up. And it's like this murder scene.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And they're going, yeah, the Delta Force was over here. And I'm like, like 18 years old hearing all this. And it was all. So people asked how I got involved. It was so exciting.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

It wasn't watching a Marvel comic movie. It wasn't some fantasy thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

To me, I didn't understand any of it. I was just. I wanted to get into media. I was right out of high school and I went to some community college and stuff. But they were after that. But it was like they were teaching me like 30 year old stuff from RTF, go to an access show. And so I had. Right out of high school by 93 for taking the classes by 94, gotten on air. And we're still trying to find those original tapes. We have tapes back to 95, but back then like a show once a month. So it was literally just me, a young kid, trying to figure out, you know, and. And kind of then everybody said, oh, this guy's a great liberal. Because I was against the police, military, burning down a church and I was anti war.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And so I kind of got in with the cool libertarian liberals, which really don't really exist much anymore.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Jordan]

Because they're Nazis.

[Alex Jones]

They were all homeopathic, vitamins, anti vaccine. And so I resonated with that whole group in Austin, which quite frankly, I look back on, it was a bunch of basically like hippies.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right. That's it.

[Alex Jones]

But a lot of them had like businesses or doctors or city council members, but they were so not really hippies, like the old school liberals.

[Dan]

Yeah. So not really hippies.

[Jordan]

Rich people.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yuppies, sure. Yeah. But maybe who weren't uptight.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Who'd let you get high in their backyard.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because people who are uptight kind of suck. That's what Duncan knows.

[Jordan]

That is true.

[Dan]

So I thought that, I mean, I think that question reveals a little bit about how Alex felt early in his career. That is close to around Waco. But it doesn't give us much insight into what it was like to be at Waco.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Dan]

And so I think, and I think that's a good sign that like, okay, this is gonna be about yourself. You're gonna just take an interesting question and make it personal.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It would be like. But listen, if there were cool stories about him being at Waco, he Would tell those cool stories.

[Dan]

There probably aren't exactly. Yeah.

[Jordan]

If he's not telling a cool story, he's not even bothering to make up a cool story about what would be objectively a cool thing, at least in, you know, in 2026. To be like, I was there. Here was the feeling. It was the smell here is. We went to dinner afterwards. There was a coffee place. There was all this stuff that you could feel the smoke in your nostrils at the coffee place.

[Dan]

You know, that kind of complaining about how community college RTF education isn't up

[Jordan]

to date enough about community college and not Waco. So he doesn't have any cool stories about Waco?

[Dan]

I would think not. Yeah, but it veered into complaining about the left and liberals. The left, they're the worst.

[Alex Jones]

Back then, liberals were pretty cool, actually.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's. Well, yeah, you know, in that it's a kind of. That's something that we've all witnessed is this bizarre mutation of liberals into somehow they're now kind of into war.

[Alex Jones]

Well, liberals were always the guys that knew about esoteric and hallucinogens in war. And they could also shoot a gun and they were fun and they were like intellectuals. And then it became like cult member bots to just nuke Russia, cut kids dicks off.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right. It was one of the strangest things. And I think that. But what probably almost fictional is just the evolution of the machine that you have like been so talented at outlining that it figured out a way to not resist, but to co op its main opposition. That's it. That's it. And it's the most sinister fucking thing.

[Alex Jones]

Well, Joe always talks about it. Cause he saw the documentary I made when they really got the left was WTO 1999. You have 100,000 liberals out saying we're not handing over our sovereignty to the World Trade Organization. US sovereignty. They were out there. And so they hired Antifa to attack the police.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

So they would have an excuse.

[Jordan]

Antifa.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

The rest of the peaceful people.

[Jordan]

What.

[Alex Jones]

That's where. Yeah. And then. And then the left kind of. The NGOs kind of capitulated. And then, you know, the liberal organizations just bowed down. But the ACLU used to defend the KKK marching.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

I hate the kkk, but I agree with defending them now they don't. Right. And that was the start of that.

[Jordan]

Right, right. Nailed it.

[Dan]

So this clip was the first point where I didn't believe that Duncan met what he was saying up till this point. I could believe that he was deluded and Just didn't really know what Alex's show was actually like. But this is impossible to come off as sincere. Yeah, it's great to complain that there's a strain of liberal that's lost their connection to what liberal values really mean, and I have zero problem with making fun of them. However, to be in the world that we're in with the GOP becoming what it is, to be sitting across the table from a guy who'd cry on air about how much he loved Trump and to primarily be focused on how liberals are all bots now is just fucking embarrassing. One of the problems that we run into is that Alex is supposed to transcend the left right paradigm. And a big part of that marketing campaign is blurring the lines of what left and right even mean. One of the pillars of Alex's conservative ideology is a belief in the free market. But now he supports Trump's very obvious manipulation of markets all over the place. Yeah, he's supposed to believe in state sovereignty as a bedrock of the Constitution. And now he's totally fine with Trump using federal power against states because he didn't mean it. There is no left right to him because those words don't have meaning.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I want to extend Duncan as much grace as possible, but it's really hard when he has these criticisms of the left while interviewing Alex. Having the awareness of Alex that I do, it's impossible for that to come off as anything other than complete incompetence or. Or willful deception. There's. It's not. Cute, dopey, fun guy.

[Jordan]

I mean, here's the thing. What's. What's immediately disqualifying to everything that Duncan Trussell believes or is saying or will say is that Alex is like, hey, listen, you should cover up the Epstein files. If Alex was any. On his show, if Alex was any of this, like, intrepid journalist bullshit, then he would have to at the very least say, I want you to release all of the names, and if you're

[Dan]

going to cover it up, just shut up and let me take care of it, because I am a Trump media servant.

[Jordan]

Exactly. So once that happened and Duncan is ignoring it or does not know about it, probably fake news renders everything that he believes to be meaningless and to be bullshit and a lie.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So whatever he is aware of is malicious in intent.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like Rogan having Peter Thiel, you know, that kind of shit.

[Jordan]

No, they're evil.

[Dan]

You know what you're doing.

[Jordan]

They're comic book villains either.

[Dan]

And, you know, like it. It's that point of you either know what you're doing or you are so dumb that these stupidest people are conning you. Yeah. And I have lost all ability or all faith in your ability to tell the difference. Yeah.

[Jordan]

No, and it is like, I don't think we need. I don't think we should live in an excusing it because it's so stupid world. Like, you are dumb enough to disqualify yourself from having your own show.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You cannot be on your show. You're too dumb.

[Dan]

No, but that's not true. You can do your show. Just be fun, right? Talk about mushrooms and stuff.

[Jordan]

I mean. I mean, this showed. You can't do this show.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You can do a show.

[Dan]

Yeah. This is just no good. Don't talk to Alex.

[Jordan]

Why doesn't anybody do painting shows anymore? You can do a painting show as a fucking idiot.

[Dan]

Maybe shirtless around a fire.

[Jordan]

Right. That'd be great. With a little Duncan Trussell on your shoulders.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Hello.

[Dan]

Look at me, I'm high. So, Duncan, he's correct in this feeling of, like, people are trying to manipulate you online.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And he discusses that. It just doesn't feel right.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know, the term Orwellian, it gets used too much these days. But I think if George Orwell saw what the current, like, surveillance state looks

[Alex Jones]

like, he said my prediction came true,

[Duncan Trussell]

I think he'd say, holy fuck, it would be better to live in that world that he. He.

[Alex Jones]

Because then it's so far.

[Duncan Trussell]

You know, it's there. This shit that's happening right now is so subtle that. That you don't even know for sure what's real anymore. But there's. I think most people have a sense that they're being nudged. Every time you go online, you're being nudged by the algorithm a little bit. There's, you know, when you get around, you know, nlp, neuro, linguistic programming, you know, you get around one of those motherfuckers, you tell.

[Alex Jones]

They're like. They're talking.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

Obama does it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, he does, doesn't he? Holy shit. You get a weird feeling around this?

[Alex Jones]

Well, I catch myself, like, being hit with, like, ka, the snake in Jungle Book. I'm like, I know this is bullshit, but, God, it sounds good.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yes, but it's all. It's a. It's a. It's like. It's a gross feeling, man. It's like when a dude puts his hand on your lip, it's that sense of like, what the fuck are you doing? And so that's what it Feels like right now, going online, you're getting some kind of conditioning, whether you want it or not. What? Maybe it's not from a state entity, but from the corporate.

[Dan]

It's an easy solution for this feeling that Duncan's describing is stop living online.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If he feels like everyone's nudging him on Twitter, that's because they are. Elon created a literal monetary incentive for everyone to post the most nudging content they can come up with.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And so this is the end result of where we're at.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. Just get off it.

[Jordan]

I'm. I had to. I had to.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's. It be. It's better for everyone to not be there.

[Jordan]

It really is.

[Dan]

I think it's fascinating that the first example Duncan can come up with of something that doesn't feel right is a guy touching his leg.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that was a. That one.

[Dan]

Anyone touching your leg when you don't want them to can be intrusive. But the fact that he makes his example something that evokes gay panic is wild. Yeah. He's a psychonaut.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He's done ayahuasca and communed with entities that are made of pure light and love. This guy isn't bound to earthly ideals of gender and sexuality. What the fuck is going on, Trussell?

[Jordan]

That wilded me out.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That wild me. That. My instant reaction is, whoa, whoa, whoa. You never fucked a dude. What are you talking about?

[Dan]

What? A guy touches you, you just don't feel right.

[Jordan]

Well, at the very least, you've had a couch. Make out. Sash, come on, man.

[Dan]

I don't even.

[Jordan]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Dan]

I have no pretense or care about that. But the person that he's presented himself to be with the, like, transcendent experiences and all this shit, it's like you can't. You can't do 80s comedy. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Either that or Dave Chappelle. You know, that's what you're doing.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And you're doing it to pander. And that's maybe sadder, I think, if

[Jordan]

you removed the words and typed them up and gave them to a couple of actors sitting at a bar and had them talk, it wouldn't stress. It wouldn't bother me at all. That sounds crazy, but whatever. These two specifically should not be allowed to say the words they're saying based upon who they are.

[Dan]

No, I mean, I think. I feel like it's right in line for Alex.

[Jordan]

Well, yeah. Well, yes.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think he's.

[Jordan]

In terms of being.

[Dan]

He's A homophobe of the highest order.

[Jordan]

He's being a lying piece of shit.

[Dan]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Duncan is disappointing. I don't know. Anyway, there's one. There's one thing that I will give Duncan great credit for and that he recognizes that the information that he takes in is bad.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay, Good.

[Duncan Trussell]

I can't imagine what your sources are. Mine are shitty. I got 4chan to X. You know, I just look at, like, what's going. Like, the most recent post, and 80% of the stuff on X is AI. So you're going to see they're firebombing Tel Aviv. It's not real. None of it's real. You go to the live stream of Tel Aviv, it's fine.

[Alex Jones]

US Ship sunk by missile. It's AI.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's AI. So it's pure signal jamming right now. We have no idea what's going on. You can't. If you go to the.

[Alex Jones]

Well, the first rule of intelligence is whatever you first are told isn't true.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Dan]

It's interesting how Duncan is aware that his sources are shitty, but he doesn't make the leap to realizing that Alex is one of his sources. That is also shitty.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yep.

[Dan]

If Duncan listened to Alex's show, he would know that most of the stuff he knows comes from the exact same shitty sources. And a lot of his supposed expert guests are just people who post a ton on those shitty sources.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's weird to have, like, what appears to be half awareness.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, I suppose it's like for most of these people, they recognize that their job is. Is their job, but ultimately one big part of their job is just being online, just being available to. To, like, snap off a thing. Just always being available. And that drives you insane.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

You know, and the reliance on that for both, like, the. The way it fucks up your brain for I need it to eat, but also I need it because I get the little boost of dopamine every time.

[Dan]

And the way that these sites have made it so easily convertible into metrics.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And now the only people who like me seem to always be on those sites. That's the place that I find them and where those people who don't like me don't exist anymore. You know, like, it drives you insane.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

It does. It drives you insane. So the half awareness kind of makes sense insofar as, like, I am crazy.

[Dan]

All the places I get information from our shit, and now I'm talking to a guy who I get a lot of or I view as someone who Is giving me a lot of information.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Should recognize as maybe shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

So, Alex, his voice is bad. He's been breathing pretty heavily.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he explains that it's just allergies. Sure.

[Duncan Trussell]

So what is. What do you think is going on over there? What's your analysis of this?

[Alex Jones]

Well, you have to always go to original war doctrine, the Iranian war doctrine, Israel's war doctrine, the US War doctrine, China's war doctrine, Russia's war doctrine, and the other parties involved in North Korea. And then out of that war doctrine, and my sources already previously had, we knew what the plan was. Decapitate. You know about these allergies in Austin?

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, I know. Not about sick folks.

[Alex Jones]

It just causes pollen. I'm sorry. It's driving me crazy.

[Duncan Trussell]

Got some water?

[Alex Jones]

I'm all right. I got some coffee and water, too. First they need to decapitate the Iranians. Iranian leadership. They destroy their air defenses, they destroy their main military and their navy. So that's pretty much happening. But Trump said nine months ago in June, this is about taking out their nuclear sites. That wasn't true. That was just getting us used to this.

[Dan]

So Trump lied to get us into a war.

[Jordan]

So Trump lied.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So you're a bad journalist.

[Dan]

Gonzo.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

When Alex was on Patrick Bet David's show, it was laryngitis, and now it's pollen. I have a very strong suspicion that Alex has something seriously wrong with the part of his body that involves his voice. I don't know what part of the body that would be, but his voice has been shot so consistently, even on his own show. And if it were an allergy thing, you would expect this is something that would happen annually, which isn't the case. No. I think it would be so fucking awesome if God took Alex's ability to speak away after he failed his test of going to see Gene Hackman.

[Jordan]

That would make sense if.

[Dan]

Now, this has just been a gradual.

[Jordan]

He immediately got throat polyps the moment he did that. And now we are in the next stage of that.

[Dan]

Or the moment. He lied about God having given him 200 prophetic dreams about it. It's like you are no longer allowed to speak.

[Jordan]

Yep. Slowly, I shall take from you the only thing that matters. Yes. Yeah, I think that would be. That's a pretty solid God move. That's traditional God. That's Old Testament shit.

[Dan]

Or he just developed an allergy to pollen. I don't fucking know.

[Jordan]

Or he just has throat polyps.

[Dan]

Yeah. Sounds terrible.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he does.

[Dan]

So Alex is talking about some New docs that got leaked. Some new CIA docs.

[Jordan]

The Epstein files that he's not interested in?

[Dan]

No. Also, Trump's probably cool.

[Jordan]

Okay, cool. Well, that's.

[Dan]

No, these are important.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, so now all the big governments and corporations want surveillance, censorship. They want dumbing down. Well, if we're dumb, let's poison the public even more to make them under us, even dumber. And that is what got declassified a week and a half ago.

[Duncan Trussell]

What's that?

[Alex Jones]

Operation Artichoke.

[Duncan Trussell]

What is this?

[Alex Jones]

We Knew for the 77, 76 frank church committee hearings about Operation Artichoke. Mkomi, Mk ultra. Yeah, but just the basics. They declassified all of Tulsi Gabbards did. And in it, it says in 52, we're gonna put poisons in the vaccines to make people dumb. We're gonna put poisons in the food and water, like fluoride, to lower their fertility, give them cancer, make it more manageable, because Americans are too informed and too smart. And it's all been declassified a week and a half ago.

[Duncan Trussell]

Holy shit.

[Alex Jones]

Like here in the documents. Declassified CIA files reveal chilling blueprint to manipulate Americans minds through covert drugging.

[Duncan Trussell]

What the.

[Alex Jones]

But it actually says it right there.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

So this document that Alex is talking about titled Special Research for Artichoke, is a real document. And it does discuss possible avenues of research that could include putting chemicals into water supplies and even vaccines. Sure, it's a horrible glimpse into the 1950s research on interrogation methods, and I think it sucks that our country lives with the legacy of having done that kind of shit. But as far as Alex is concerned, this is not a newly declassified document. It was declassified in 1983, and the new York Times even reported on this program after filing FOIA requests in 1978.

[Jordan]

Oh, like journalists would.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, Gonzo.

[Jordan]

Yeah, gonzo.

[Dan]

So all of this has attracted a bit of renewed attention because the document was added to the CIA's online reading room in 2025.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

The headline that Alex is reading is a Daily Mail article about the document from February 26, 2026. So because Alex doesn't know anything about this subject, he's pretending that he's covering a newly released document.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And because Duncan's super gullible, he's just eating all of it up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I go, holy shit.

[Duncan Trussell]

Oh, my God.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it makes me think that Duncan is a Muppet, because I can imagine in my head, I do see him as a foam human, just going, ah. Like that. And that makes sense because Otherwise you would have to assume that there was a thinking, breathing human behind what?

[Dan]

Yeah, and I think that, you know, there are certain people who are more reactive than contemplative, let's say. Sure, sure. So I could see him being like, just, I'm bouncing off, I'm doing improv with you or whatever. Yeah, but a little bit, you know, just after this, something happens that makes me call everything into question. Oh no.

[Duncan Trussell]

This episode of the DTFH has been supported by my friends and at Square. Listen, I have profound adhd. I lose my wallet every day. I don't know where it is right now. I have no idea. And you know that sucks. And I know it's my fault. Don't worry. I'm in a constant shame spiral regarding the fact that I can't keep track of my fucking wallet.

[Dan]

Square is a multi billion dollar payment processing company that was founded by Jack Dorsey, the guy who used to own Twitter. The company is owned by the person that Elon Musk had to buy Twitter from in order to save free speech and the world. Jack's partner in that business is a guy named Jim McKelvey who's been on the board of the Federal Reserve bank of St. Louis since at least 2017 and was named their chair in 2023.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

So Alex Jones is a guest on a podcast hosted by a real cool lunatic who's also doing a paid ad read for the payment company owned by Jack from Twitter and a Federal Reserve banker. Yep, I see no conflict here. Also this whole like, oh, I forget my wallet, like, okay, so let's give all our data to this, this company. Are you supposed to be concerned about the surveillance state? The fuck is going on? How can you do this ad?

[Jordan]

Yep. I'm just going to emotionally manipulate people with what I consider to be a very serious disability in service of pushing them to give this fucks more money. Great, Good stuff. You are. Listen, I just think Duncan should be proud of himself.

[Dan]

I think that that like idea that I had about someone being more reactive and like this muppet floppy kind of fun guy who's bouncing around. Yeah, I don't think that coexists with guy who's doing a kind of manipulative ad read for Square.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, like that's cynical.

[Jordan]

I remember a time whenever we made fun of people who were mad about selling out, you know, Cuz it was like, listen buddy, whenever selling out was gonna stop, it was long before we were born. So you. But now it's like, fuck man, everybody's selling out. Way too hard. Yeah, that's too hard. You're Duncan Trussell.

[Dan]

And I know that you and I are people who have, like, you know, problems with endorsing products or whatever. And maybe we have a position that's a little harder than a lot of folks who are very normal they would take.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I think that there is probably very defensible ads you can take.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

If you are Duncan Trussell. The payment money company that is run by Jack from Twitter at a Federal Reserve banker is not one of them. You could have that ad run on your show accidentally if they're auto generated. But he had to sit down and read that. Yep. Like, this is a choice.

[Jordan]

He was. He read it and then he probably had to reread it. So at the very least, he went through it a couple of times, maybe did a couple of takes. So you have to assume that he read it and then went, I am okay with these words. I will say them again.

[Dan]

Yeah. He either is okay taking money from that source or he doesn't care where his money comes from to the point where that's one of the places he's getting it.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, it is.

[Jordan]

It is interesting to me. Like, obviously there's no world where we expect people to hold themselves to our level of douchebaggery. You know, we're not going to be. I'm not judging anybody for that. But you can't also be Duncan Trussell.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Like, you have to choose one or the other. You can be the Duncan Trussell. Who's Duncan Trussell, who doesn't take ads from evil billionaires. And you get to go, I'm looking for the Illuminati. Or you're the guy who literally works for the Illuminati now.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It tells you a little bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, man.

[Dan]

Not so fun.

[Jordan]

People should.

[Dan]

So they get back from their Jack from Twitter, new company, fun commercial. And get back into the real stuff.

[Alex Jones]

Awesome.

[Duncan Trussell]

The CIA was looking into methods beyond chemicals, listing hypnosis, sensory deprivation, gases and other psychological methods for interrogation and behavioral control. Artichoke served as a precursor to the CIA's MK Ultra program, which later broadened mind altering experiments on a larger scale. I just, I just don't think people,

[Alex Jones]

you know, they talk about vaccines in there.

[Duncan Trussell]

This has got to be something really frustrating for you. And you've experienced it your whole life, I'm guessing. But I'll tell you, and I'm like 90% on board with a lot of what you talk about, man. But even now you hand me this. I know there was an MK Ultra. I don't want to believe it.

[Alex Jones]

I don't either. It's just crazy though, because they talk about vaccines. Everything in there.

[Duncan Trussell]

I don't want to, but that's what I'm talking about is like built in to all of us is something where we have a knee jerk reaction to new information like that, which is the most unscientific reaction you could have. Instant rejection.

[Alex Jones]

Well, here's the deal. It's good to question things. I don't want to believe this either. I want to think other people are nice like we are, but most people are. It's that a very small, like they admit, like there's a proclivity for CEOs to be psychopaths. Yeah, there's a much higher, you know, level maybe like whatever the number is, 1% of psychopath or less. Yeah, 30% of them are psychopaths. I'm going from memory, but. But it's just the fact making it up. They're willing to do it. They. They gravitate to those positions.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's where people like us stop. You know, they talk about, you know, Bohemian Grove, the secret societies, the initiat, the initiations. I don't doubt there's ritualistic initiations in, in the upper echelon, but there's like a primary barrier, which is, I think if you aren't a sociopath, if you aren't, fine, blowing people up, killing people, even if it's in a secondary or tertiary way, just being involved in some way with blowing people up, you're not gonna get access.

[Dan]

Nonsense. Just a bunch of nonsense. Patting themselves on the back for not being in any clubs that they don't like. Yep. Cool.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you guys are great.

[Dan]

So there's probably a bunch of people who hear Alex's stories and just reject them outright because they clash so much with their perception of the world. Like what Duncan's describing.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

Then there are other people who are so desperate to have their minds blown that they'll pretend to question what he's saying without ever actually doing that work. The correct response to his shit is in the middle, which is to hear the kinds of stuff that Alex brings to the table and say, that's pretty wild. What's the proof? If Alex is making insane claims and can back them up, they're no longer all that insane. However, if you take the proof he provides and find that he's misrepresenting stuff and he lies all the time, it doesn't inspire confidence to Accept these insane stories. The absence of proof isn't proof itself because there's a great coverup or whatever. Yeah. All positions deserve scrutiny. That's the only way you can tell if you really believe what you think you believe. So I respect giving conventional ideas the same scrutiny that you might give insane ones. I just don't think that the bar for what's considered evidence deserves to be lowered for insane ideas. Because that lets us feel like we're living in an insane, cool, exciting movie. Yeah. And I think that's the pathology we see here. Yeah.

[Jordan]

They just. They like. Listening to it is gross. It feels voyeuristic because I feel these two people so overjoyed with how fucking cool they are for not being like everybody else while at the same time embodying everything that they think they're not. Yeah. You know, like it is doing it

[Dan]

and being interrupted by a square commercial.

[Duncan Trussell]

It is.

[Jordan]

It is why. It is gaslighting. It is genuinely gaslighting.

[Dan]

I think there's a part of it that. That might be like a piece of why I didn't finish the episode.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's like I just. Beyond boredom. There's also just a fuck off.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Fuck you.

[Dan]

Yeah. You're supposed to be better than this, man.

[Jordan]

I mean, they shouldn't be. God damn it. Like, Alex should hate him. Alex should. Alex does hate him.

[Dan]

Duncan should hate. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yes. And yet here they are, fucking lying about everything to each other and then to me. Yeah, that's unfair.

[Dan]

Well, it reveals, because of the not hating each other, that maybe none of their positions are really as sincere as we want to believe them to be.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And for Alex, that's really easy to accept because he's.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He doesn't have real. No, no.

[Dan]

And. But for Duncan, it sucks. It's harder. It's harder to swallow because he's kind of fun.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He's very likable. He's charismatic.

[Jordan]

He was on Adventure Time. Yeah. Yep, yep.

[Dan]

So anyway, Bohemian Grove came up.

[Jordan]

How they doing?

[Alex Jones]

And take Bohemian Groves. They admit it's real.

[Jordan]

Please.

[Alex Jones]

Last week, they leaked the list.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

A member from a year. And I want to be clear. I stuck up Bohemian Grove.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's right.

[Alex Jones]

It's a low level thing. It's high level elites, but it's not, you know, Kid Rock admitted. He went there and he said, yeah, they asked me to come sing. I was a guest.

[Dan]

Pretending to break into Bohemian Grove was such a successful publicity stunt for Alex that he tried to do it again on Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory show. Sales of that VHS probably bought Alex's first house. And now he's out here on Duncan's show saying that it's really. It's low level. Anybody could be there. Kid Rock was there. One of the reasons that Alex needs to do this is because he's now on the side of power. But the other side is that that list of 2200 names did get leaked, and Alex has no idea who almost any of them are. Yeah. It's not a who's who of the globalists that he's been talking about for years. It's a ton of names of probably pretty rich people that he's never heard of. Sure. A great example of someone who's on this list.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is a name. Okay. Dick's Boring.

[Jordan]

Dick's Boring.

[Dan]

Mm. Dix Boring.

[Jordan]

Dick's. Oh. Oh, okay.

[Dan]

First name. Dick's last name, Boring.

[Jordan]

Well, then. Okay, then I bet that's like some German or Sweden shit where it's like Deeks boring.

[Dan]

Probably.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But not on the page.

[Jordan]

Not on the page. It's Dick's boring.

[Dan]

Boo. So I was looking through that roster.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Of names of Bohemian club members. Yeah. And I think we might have a fan.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Because one of the names of the members of the Bohemian Grove.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Daniel Jordan. And I will say.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit, he's a Squatch Coming back. God damn it. I thought we were. I thought we were free.

[Dan]

Yep. In the names of members of Beam. I'll come. I'll do a show at the Grove.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't think I'll. I don't think I'll be there.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

I think I would have a rough time making out. Out of there alive.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. Pay up. So Bohemian Grove, it's mostly just a gay thing. And great. Duncan is disappointed in.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's not just like something that Alex basically made a career off of. So maybe if you made a career off of it, maybe you would have some interesting fun stories to tell.

[Dan]

He does mostly just gay stuff.

[Jordan]

I guess it's just that.

[Alex Jones]

But it's mainly a bunch of Republicans who are kind of stuck up and insecure, and it's kind of a gay thing.

[Duncan Trussell]

It's disappointing, isn't it? When you realize that, man, you know, you snuck in there. You're the. I think you're the first person who stuck Bohemian Grove. Then somebody else in a kayak got up to the owl. Then you realize that owl, it's just, like, fiberglass. It's fiberglass.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

So it's like a putt. Putt owl. You know, you look at the pictures, you want it to be. I mean, I don't want it to be.

[Alex Jones]

You want to be like metal or stone or something?

[Duncan Trussell]

I want it to be a stone. I want it to be granite. I don't want it to be like they. They threw together some shabby things.

[Alex Jones]

Exactly. So I'm the guy that in 2000, snuck in there and sure enough, they did a Canaanite, you know, mock human sacrifice ritual. And then I came out and then the media spun. Like I said, we're killing kids in there. They do a mocking sacrifice. And then now I explain. No, I don't think everybody that's there is actually part of a Satanism.

[Dan]

It's so funny that Duncan is disappointed that the owl of Moloch isn't made from a respectable enough material.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

That was supposed to be made from stones sourced directly from hell, cobbled together with a paste made of human blood. I think this is an accidentally amazing metaphor. Alex's career never would have gotten off the ground if he'd just said Bohemian Grove is mostly a gay thing and the owl is a cheap prop. If he'd just taken the piss out of the thing, no one really would have cared that much. In order to maximize his own gain, he had to over dramatize the thing he was covering, which forced him to make people think the owl was something much more than fiberglass. The disappointment that Duncan is expressing is a disappointment that the fantasy Alex sold him in those VHS tapes that he and Rogan would get high and watch was just a fantasy. Alex had the opportunity to cover Bohemian Grove as it was back in 2000. And even if Duncan doesn't realize it, in this moment, what he's feeling is based in a kind of knowing that he's talking to the guy who scammed him.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

You.

[Dan]

You created an image of this owl that is disappointing to me. Now.

[Jordan]

I. I don't appreciate the fiction that the owl represents unless it conforms to the fiction that I want to believe about the owl.

[Dan]

Right. Because of Alex.

[Jordan]

Because of Alex.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's. It's kind of hilarious.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it is. It is a microcosm of the. The deflation that these guys are that just as. As they are, all they are is this big fucking bullshit balloon. And if you pop it in a second, it's all gone.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's kind of like him. He. He. What the feeling is, is like, ah. Doesn't it suck that the truth about the lie you told me is boring?

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Doesn't it suck that they just kind of fabricated something and then maybe don't take it that seriously and maybe just

[Dan]

do gay stuff in the woods?

[Jordan]

Maybe you're the only person who was full of this scenario.

[Dan]

Possibly.

[Jordan]

Or I won't acknowledge that or interrogate it.

[Dan]

So Alex has said that, like, they're not killing kids at Bohemian Girl.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And Duncan's like, hey, man, some of your audience isn't going to like you saying that.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Just because you go to Bohemian Grove, it's like, going to a P. Diddy party doesn't mean you're P. Diddy.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right. Exactly. So, you know, and a lot less fun than a P. Diddy party. I've heard it's like a shitty prom. I heard it's like, you go there, just a bunch of old people putting on a crappy theater show. I know. There's the Cremation of Care. Looks sinister. The Owl looks fucking sinister and scary. And I think what you just said earlier is really interesting. You're like, it's. You know, I don't think they're sacrificing people. Now. You say that some contingent of your audience is like, oh, fuck, Alex Jones is compromised. He's covering up for the Bohemian Grove. That's kind of a pickle you're in. Right? Like, if you continue to be a journalist and, like, just say what you found out, whether it fits in with, like, the most scintillating scary or not, some part of your audience is like, what the.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. And here's the deal. The corporate media discredit me 25 years ago, said I said all those things in my name. So they call my name, and then I go later. No, that's not what I said. Right. They still turn around, but that's what they do. But. But.

[Dan]

So what Duncan is pointing out here is that Alex's audience is dumb and angry. They'll hear him say something like, they aren't sacrificing kids at Bohemian Grove in 2026. And jump to the conclusion that he's lying now because he sold out the conspiracy of the globalists sacrificing kids at Bohemian Grove, which Alex profited off. Selling them is too important to let go of. So when Alex contradicts it, he must have sold out and is lying now. They've been trained to use new conspiracies to explain away the plot holes in the previous conspiracy. They've accepted it. So the response to Alex saying this in 2026 can't possibly be that he's always been Full of shit. And none of this means anything. He didn't think they were killing anyone or doing Satan shit at the Grove back then. It was just super profitable for him because he was attacking this class that he wasn't connected to at all. He was really poor back then.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Well, you know, dentist, relatively.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, relative he was. He had plenty of parachutes and knives, nets to keep him from falling too far.

[Dan]

And now all of the people that he likes seem to be billionaires and are part of the class that would be at an elite gathering. So it's not in your interest to attack these people anymore?

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Dan]

Alex is also completely lying about the media saying this shit about him.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's bullshit.

[Dan]

He's routinely tried to blur the line between a mock sacrifice at the Grove and the globalists killing real children. But maybe I'm just the mainstream media putting that in his mouth.

[Jordan]

Probably.

[Dan]

Or let's go back to.

[Jordan]

There's no way that you have some sort of.

[Alex Jones (archive clip)]

Clip Rediscovered photos emphasize Bohemian Grove sacrifice obsession. Prison Planet.com recently rediscovered photos depicting sacrifices, mock sacrifices. Scenes from the early 20th century Bohemian Grove gatherings appear to contradict official claims that a mock sacrifice is being made. And that real humans have never been sacrificed in the ritual. These photos originally appeared on the Berkeley University of California website. Which is often used as a mouthpiece for the Bohemian Grove Club. You can click to enlarge the photos. The first photograph appears to show a lynching or public execution. If the body is a mannequin, it is certainly very authentic. Click to see an enlargement. Judging by the look of the hand, this is a real person. I don't know if that's the case, but who knows? But the next one's what's really scary. There can be little doubt about the second photo. The person is clearly a black child or midget. He is strapped down on a board. One of the figures in the foreground. Actually two of them appear to be policemen. The picture is dated 1909. And there's about 50 people. One, two, three, three, four. Four of them police standing around with very serious looks on their faces. And I've zoomed in on the black person. It person doesn't look like they're doing too well. And boy, if it's a man mannequin, than it needs to be in man. And Madame Couseau's or whatever she's called, Wax museum. It's very good likeness. And I mean, what is this?

[Dan]

So that was 2005, there's 2006.

[Alex Jones (archive clip)]

And I just, you know, for those that haven't studied this, you just don't know. I mean, the reports of Bohemian Grove, of them blowing little kids heads off the, you know, they don't just do that kickoff with the mock human sacrifices of a child.

[Dan]

So they're, they're killing. Okay, so the media just lied about what you said?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Cool, man.

[Jordan]

You know, I think some people, especially these guys, but it's not exclusive to them. They measure themselves by their enemy. Right. So if their enemy is fantastical villains sacrificing children, they themselves are as equal in greatness, in goodness, as those guys are in evil.

[Dan]

They must be.

[Jordan]

Right? So if your enemy is just some asshole, then you yourself are also just some asshole. And these people cannot handle that concept.

[Dan]

No. And that's something, you know, certainly that I've wrestled with. That Alex is just another.

[Jordan]

Alex is just another. I appreciate all of. All of us. We're all just some asshole. We're all equal in the. Under the eyes of whoever killed Gene.

[Duncan Trussell]

How?

[Dan]

Yeah, so, like, you know, I think that Alex has made a lot of money and reputation and warped a lot of people's brains with trying to play with the idea that they are doing real sacrifices out here. Maybe sometimes the, the big one is a fake one, but that's covering up real sex.

[Jordan]

Whatever, right?

[Dan]

But now it's just. They're gay.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Now it's just like Alex is describing what he was scared of there, and he's just like, old men want to fuck me.

[Alex Jones]

Great. So I didn't really talk because I just got in and walked all the way through it. On my way back, I go, let me just cut over to the side area. Let me use the bathroom. In this little camp. And they're playing jazz music. There's all these guys, you know, the average age about 60. So I walk in. Hey, hey. They're all drinking wine, listening. And guys start grabbing my ass.

[Duncan Trussell]

What?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, no. And whistling and, like. And then I try to go in the bathroom, and the guys are coming in the bathroom.

[Duncan Trussell]

What?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. Yeah. No, this just happened.

[Duncan Trussell]

That's way scarier than the owl. I was about to say old horny fucking rich dudes.

[Jordan]

You.

[Alex Jones]

And I'm telling you the scary part. So, so then I went, okay, this isn't good. So I, I, I get out, I go out the front, and I literally see, like, two camps down. There's like a building with nobody in it, a little cabin. I said, I'm going under that. So then I, like, I said, I got under there. Wait until it started getting dark. That's right. Story. But that's how I did it. But no, I mean, that is. You were saying the scary thing about a gay guy. I have only once in college that I have a guy fall back to my car and, like, grab my ass. And I didn't like it. It was like, whoa, what are we doing here? Like, what is this?

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, they probably thought that you were like a. A prostitute.

[Alex Jones]

Well, that's it. They bring male prostitutes in. It's all male. And I was good looking back then. Exactly. They were whistling at me, pinching my ass. And like, even when I leave there, like, like one of the keepers on like a, you know, you know those flat back gasoline golf carts. Mexicans drive by and start whistling at me.

[Duncan Trussell]

What the fuck?

[Alex Jones]

So it's like it's a giant gate. Well, no. Nixon famously said it's the most goddamn faggy thing you ever seen. It's. It's in the. It's. It's in his tapes.

[Dan]

I don't believe the story at all. Like, of his experience based on how much agency Alex is imagining that sex workers might have at a party in the woods with the elites.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't think that he would have been like, groped and whistled at if they thought that he was someone that they had hired. You know what I mean? Like, it's kind of silly. It also calls into question how much Alex left out of the documentary because Dark Secrets isn't mostly about how the guys out there are gay. Weird. Yeah. This seems. This seems like the focus of his experience now, as opposed to the. The whole moloch owl thing.

[Jordan]

You know how they still investigate cold cases? Mm, I feel like that should be true. You know, like if you, like, they caught the guy who was a serial killer, and even though he was 85, they were like, hey, yeah, you still have to go. You still got to go to the jail thing or whatever. How people work that should. There should. Too much lies are like, well, let's not dredge up the pastor. Let's not re litigate the past path. Fuck you. I'm relitigating that shit. You should have to pay a penalty if this is what you're saying 25 years later.

[Dan]

Like, compared to what you said before.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Well, there should be a cold case file opened on this shit.

[Dan]

You know what? Here's the problem. I don't know about cold case, but it just feels like fraud.

[Jordan]

Exactly. But it's a cold case fraud.

[Dan]

Okay. Yeah, it just. It feels like he's just defrauded people a lot. And is that a civil case?

[Jordan]

I guess. Do we. Who has standing? That's my question.

[Dan]

Also, ironically, Duncan. Ironically, he's the person who could sue him.

[Jordan]

That is true. And I mean, I would say at this point, probably suing him doesn't. Doesn't do half as much as you might want it to.

[Dan]

He doesn't seem that interested.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

So thankfully we get off the topic of Alex's gay panic.

[Jordan]

Good. That was a bummer.

[Dan]

And Duncan brings up like ayahuasca beings.

[Duncan Trussell]

Sure.

[Dan]

And so thankfully, subject change.

[Jordan]

Fun.

[Duncan Trussell]

But this is. I don't remember which interview you said this or it might have been on your show, but you did say something once that was really quite chilling to me. And I think about it from time to time, wonder about it. Forgive me, I'm paraphrasing here, but basically you put out there this idea that a lot of these people are actually getting transmissions from entities. They're taking Ayahuasca, dmt, they're taking these psychedelics that hippies like us have been taking for positive reasons. But they're taking them and meeting beings inside of whatever that.

[Alex Jones]

Absolutely. Well, I was about to say I was only in Bohemian Grove four or five hours and there wasn't a cult of ritual at the center of it. But I've studied it since then. Kid Rock went, most people are guests that don't know. It's like a test to see it's very overtly homosexual. Because it's all male in the little town next door. I've been there a couple times to cover it since not inside. It's literally high end hookers everywhere. So they have females outside. So it's just like inside there's. I wouldn't say the whole thing is just gay. It's, it's, it's, it's.

[Duncan Trussell]

But it's all dudes. I mean, women are not allowed in the.

[Dan]

I guess we weren't off the subject.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It looks like we were just going to have a serious problem with.

[Dan]

Wow, he's very focused.

[Jordan]

How about that?

[Dan]

Very focused.

[Jordan]

Wild.

[Dan]

So I don't know, man. I think around the Bohemian Grove section of the episode is where I started to lose any interest in this.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, even if there was something funny, a massive amount of gay panic just doesn't cut it for me anymore.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think I just, I zoned out a little bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I just. I don't know if like all of these clips that are left weave into a coherent line, but Some of them are just funny. Like, here's a clip of Alex talking about how his dad had forbidden grimoires.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Jones]

My dad was a huge still is Alive addict of reading. And so he had science fiction, history books, everything else. He wouldn't buy me a bike. He wouldn't buy me anything. By the time I was like, 12, I had to go get a job to get it. But if I wanted, like, encyclopedias back then, you're the same age, like for time, life, books, the Wild west, World War I, World War II, the occult.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah, whatever.

[Alex Jones]

He buys all these encyclopedias.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

So in between, you know, running around doing sports, I would read that voraciously. So I got interested kind of in a base of knowledge that, you know, kind of gave me a launch point as I got a little bit older. But you were asking.

[Duncan Trussell]

I'm talking about. Yeah, man. I'm saying, like, at some point.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, how do I know about that stuff? So. So if you study. Because my dad was into the occult. The whole house was full of books. The attic was full of books. The garage was full of books. But we probably had like 20 bucks. You'd say, I like, what are these? Because it'd be like Sabik Brzezinski's books. And none dare call conspiracy Gary Allen all this stuff. But there was like a whole, whole couple shelves of. What's this? He goes, oh, that's a translation from Arabic into the out of King Solomon to the Keys of King Solomon.

[Duncan Trussell]

He had the fucking Lesser Keys of Solomon. Your dad had grimoires?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

What the fuck, dude?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, Grand Grimoires and stuff.

[Duncan Trussell]

That is crazy.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. So he's like, well, you know, this is in the Bible. And Solomon, you know, got into a. But I'm like 10 years old. He goes, go ahead and read it if you want.

[Jordan]

What the fuck?

[Duncan Trussell]

You let your kid read that?

[Alex Jones]

Oh, really?

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, I mean, I, you know, I. Once I was bored, I was posting shit out of the Lesser Key of Solomon on formerly Twitter. And a lot of occult people are like, that's real smart, Duncan. Posting that. That's real smart. Posting Arva Mex or whatever their fucking names are. People are really take that shit quite seriously, obviously. I mean, this is.

[Jordan]

Whereas I just care about ayahuasca beans,

[Alex Jones]

you know, it's not a publisher of this. These particular books. He was. These are the actual real ones.

[Duncan Trussell]

God damn.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Oh, amazing. His dad had haunted books.

[Jordan]

Amount of bullshit. Are you willing to accept what couldn't he say to you? That would make you go like, oh, you're full of shit, aren't you?

[Dan]

Also, let's just tease out some fun thoughts about this. Yeah, you got fucking possessed by that book.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You opened a grimoire as a child.

[Jordan]

You did.

[Dan]

You got a demon in you.

[Jordan]

Sure. Seems like for all of the stuff that you have described, God, it would make far more sense if you were possessed by a demon from a forgotten grimoire at the age of 12.

[Dan]

Right. The. The Key of Solomon as like a list of demons, real names.

[Jordan]

There you go.

[Dan]

Accidentally said one out loud.

[Jordan]

Arvisplax.

[Dan]

Fuck, man.

[Jordan]

You're done.

[Dan]

You're done, Alex.

[Jordan]

You killed Gene Hackman.

[Dan]

It all makes too much sense.

[Jordan]

It all makes so much now. I actually believe in the far for the Keys of Solomon. Whichever. Whichever one are the best.

[Dan]

My dad was the smartest boy in Texas and he had haunted books.

[Jordan]

I. Come on, Duncan. God damn it.

[Dan]

So this next clip is about Alex explaining how the globalists, they want to kill us all. Sure. And part of the reason is because too many people have superpowers and are good.

[Alex Jones]

But all our DNA's electrochemical transceiver, you know, even Princeton and a bunch of other universities now have special spectrometers and stuff and devices that register the ultra low frequency waves coming off humans. Everybody. We now know it's in plants, it's in animals. It's how butterflies that were laid eggs in Canada can fly all the way to central Mexico. It's how hummingbirds, you know, born in Texas, can fly to Guatemala.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

It's. It's an electrochemical connection to the planet, the universe, all living things. It's like Yoda saying, you know, everything's connected. It's true of the force, right.

[Jordan]

He was famously the first person to

[Alex Jones]

say that, you know, X wings. But it's all there. And that's why they drug us. That's why they put the fluoride in the water. And that's what I was told by. Also, I got a lot of insiders like as I got more into this when I was on the air 30 some years ago. I had got a big show right away. There weren't many big shows. So I got to interview the. The General Stubblebines. You know, they made a movie, Men who started Ghost make a joke about it. No, they broke through. They killed goats with their minds. They saw through walls. They did all that stuff. And he was explaining that. No, no, they decided it was him and others. Dr. Nick Baggott, whose dad was a famous congressman, brother senator, studied it too. And. And they decided that's why they dropped Mind Wars.

[Dan]

Don't say it.

[Alex Jones]

In 1990 because they found too many people that already have these abilities. They could boost them, but they usually resonated towards good and were uncontrollable. So they went instead and said no, because they already had the old path of poisoning and stubbing us down.

[Jordan]

They said, isn't that stranger things?

[Alex Jones]

That in fact, humans are too dangerous to their. They want computers that will follow orders. So the decision was made by the 90s because they had both decisions going to go ahead and exterminate everybody slowly, where we don't notice, we don't know what hit us because we're seen as a disruptive species. According to this group in the universe, who themselves are being influenced by. Not third dimensional extraterrestrials, but by interdimensionals that are basically trying to sabotage humans potential and shut us down.

[Duncan Trussell]

That is so terrifying.

[Dan]

Kind of would be so. I think that it's strange that this isn't stuff that General Stubblebine said when he was on Alex's show. And his appearances on the show were mostly elder abuse being carried out by his wife, who wanted to sell laminated don't vaccinate me cards.

[Jordan]

I hope they made a mint off of those.

[Dan]

Well, if they did, she made a mint because he barely seemed aware that he was there. It's important to understand that this story is fun and it's nice to scare Duncan, but it's entirely incompatible with the story Alex has been telling for years. The plan to kill off humanity long predates the globalists. Discovering there are too many good people is terrible. Right?

[Jordan]

It's the literal Christian devil.

[Dan]

Well, Alex kind of took care of that by saying that up till the 1990s, there were both plans going simultaneously.

[Jordan]

Fine.

[Dan]

But then they were like, oh, we got to.

[Jordan]

We got to focus, guys. We can't be doing too. We can't serve two masters at the same time. We know that because our main master is the devil.

[Dan]

The 90s were really big for like. Like office culture and, like, people trying to streamline the paradigm.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Dan]

That was like Dilbert strips. Yeah, we're all about that.

[Jordan]

Everybody stopped doing coke and then they were like, well, we should probably figure out how to do business.

[Dan]

Yeah. And so the devil really liked Dilbert and so he took that on.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it does that. Dilbert truly only makes sense if the devil took a shine to him. You know, that's the only way that that whole saga could have Worked out well.

[Dan]

And also rest in peace. Scott Adams was a magician. He knew magic. He was one of the people who

[Jordan]

broke through and could probably learned it

[Dan]

from a forgotten grimoire written by Albert Stubblebutt.

[Jordan]

Albert Stubble every time.

[Dan]

So, Alex, this next clip, I think he's just describing the plot of childhood's end. There we go to Duncan. And it gives Duncan goosebumps.

[Alex Jones]

Whoa. The way I get it in the universe is this. There's trillions of. Trillions of galaxies, quadrillions of stars we've already seen.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Life is. Is. Is. Is everywhere. And in the universe, there is free will and there is good and there's bad.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Anything advanced that survives up called the higher dimensions. But it's not really just higher levels, and that's a concept of us, but just more complex levels is going to be about peace and justice and free will. The only things that are willing to intercede uninvited in our third dimension are bad things.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

Because we call them bad. The rule is it goes against your free will.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

And so it'll give you knowledge and it'll tell you what it wants. Because we're really more advanced than it. What I've been told and shown and everything is we're more advanced than them. We just don't realize it. In this manifestation, they need us to actually build the machines.

[Duncan Trussell]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

And build the system that they'll then inhabit.

[Jordan]

Ah, goosebumps.

[Dan]

Bumps.

[Duncan Trussell]

Goosebumps. Because that's what's happening, you love.

[Alex Jones]

We're building the AI for the. And it's all of our ideas, all of our will, all of our soul, all of our words. It's sucking our soul to then empower itself, but then be able to manifest the subconscious and unconscious. That's all you see at. It's like a hallucination you've seen before in a dream. Because that's us.

[Dan]

Isn't this show sponsored by Jack from Twitter's payment platform? Like. Yep. Am I to take this fear about corporate AI godhood seriously? From someone who takes a check from someone who started Twitter? You'd think, like, this is nonsense. Come on, guys.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

How you're very. It's very transparent. You wouldn't take that check if you cared about any of this.

[Jordan]

You can't. You can't do that. No, I mean, I understand. I understand that everybody sells out all the time for everything now, but you have to, like, you can't do both, you know, if you sell out, that's fine now, I guess, but you have to be a Sellout. You can't also try and be genuine about how you're anti capitalist or whatever.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You gotta choose.

[Dan]

But you also have to. Like, if you believe in these spiritual realms where these like super more important things are going on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Then you have to either be a fucking nihilist or you have to believe that your decision to take that money is going to affect you in those realms.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Those. You are taking on spiritual fucking baggage by being this kind of person and taking a check from Jack Dorsey. Or you're a fucking nihilist.

[Jordan]

Right. I'm willing to go the opposite direction. I am willing to forego money or physical reward. I will turn evil. If one demon, one shows up and gives me some fucking lightning powers, I'll do it. I'll turn evil. But here's the thing. I will only kill somebody with my lightning powers. You have to give it to me first. That's the deal.

[Dan]

Well, it's on the table.

[Jordan]

I'm putting it out there right now. I will go all the way evil.

[Dan]

So here's something I want to say about Duncan.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He doesn't only take ads from like Jack.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's good. I was worried.

[Duncan Trussell]

This episode of the DTFH is supported by my friends over at Blue Chew. I do mean friends not just because they're helping get organic food for my growing family, but because they helped me grow a family. Bluechew works. That's the main thing. It just works.

[Dan]

Bluechew is a boner company, a boner pill company owned by another company called Dermacare LLC. In 2024, Dermacare was sued for having data collection tools on their website that sold patients private data to Google and Meta, which I can't imagine Duncan being thrilled about given the things he.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean the AI algorithm overthrow, all of that stuff. They're plugging us into the.

[Dan]

But the AI data overthrow is giving his family organic food?

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, it is. They are his friends. They do give him boners. I mean, boy, is that when you get down to people, really dark. Really dark. If you feed them and give them boners, I think you can get them to do just about anything.

[Dan]

That is case in point. Can't sum it up much better than that. So Alex, he's asked, Duncan asks him like, about protecting yourself from fake stuff online. Sure. Like there's so much bullshit. How do you do AI fake.

[Jordan]

It's all there.

[Dan]

Fake news. Yep.

[Duncan Trussell]

So how do you protect yourself? I mean, I imagine that you, you're. You know, my wife always said like mosquitoes seem to be more attracted to her than other people. It seems like it's true. She gets swarmed by fucking mosquitoes. I don't know.

[Alex Jones]

That's a well known deal with I think type, type negative blood.

[Duncan Trussell]

But you probably have the same phenomena but with like bots, with like mind control bots. I imagine you have swarms of algorithmic, just God knows what coming out of you.

[Alex Jones]

They come and just, you're a liar, you're a scum, you're the Fed, you're going down or the other way.

[Duncan Trussell]

They say they love you, but they sort of make mix in with it, stuff they want you to repeat. Like how do you protect yourself? What's your Internet hygiene? Like how do you maintain?

[Alex Jones]

Well, that's the problem and that'd be my own internal. You know, everybody thinks of AI is so advanced, but we have these dreams. Doesn't it look like AI? No.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

No, because again it's stopping up billions of people's ideas and then it's showing you the unconscious, right? And subconscious conscious. And so to me I'm blessed that I'm 52 and I lived enough in kind of the real three dimensional world that I had some template to differentiate now. And I've done so much study, but even at that it's now exhausting. That's what I said to start the interview, to even figure it out. So I have enough, you know, research and things that, and I still get caught up in fake things. But like I saw a video this morning of a, a plane, you know, a missile flying in a US ship. Well, you could just. It's still the AI isn't good enough where the Iranians is always good enough. The answer, I saw it, I said that's fake. And then it came out, it was fake. I didn't need to ask Rock it was fake or whatever, right. I mean it's still there. The thing is it's going to get worse and worse, right? But a kid raised in that a child is going to, to be absolutely defensive.

[Dan]

And your perfect customer, ironically.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I like the idea that he sees this, this image and he's like, I didn't even have to ask my robot friend.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that was cool. That raises a lot of weird questions about what he does at like basically he's saying that I just ask Rock anything, anything that that thing tells me

[Dan]

I will repeat, I'll make a decision and if I have trouble with it, I'll ask a robot and then the robot will tell.

[Jordan]

And that's why I Feel absolutely qualified to get mad about a coming AI apocalypse. And we're being ushered into the. Sorry, let me. Hold on real quick. Grok. Where am I going tomorrow? No, no, no. We're being ushered into an AI apocalypse. Grok, Grok, what is my schedule? We're being ushered into an AI apocalypse.

[Dan]

I think, like, okay. Yeah. It's hard to differentiate stuff online a lot of the time. True. That's. That's fair enough. I don't know if asking a robot's the answer, but I'll say let's take things into the analog world.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex was friends with Steve pachenik for like 20 years.

[Alex Jones]

That's true.

[Dan]

He can't tell shit. That guy was fucking with him so hard for so long.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex had, like. When Duncan's question about, like, what is your media hygiene? Your Internet hij. That's actually one of the most devastating questions someone could ask him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Unfortunately, it's being asked by this guy,

[Jordan]

the guy with a worse hygiene and

[Dan]

no ability and the awareness that his sources are shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the unwillingness to do anything about it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And. And with the knowledge. With the knowledge that Alex has just punctured his whole legend by being like, he beat Grove is just gay stuff.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Then that means he's punctured the whole legend.

[Dan]

The scariest thing was old men trying to fuck me, not the devil.

[Jordan]

Right. So once again, you now know Alex is just an asshole. Why would his media hygiene be any different from anybody else's? He's just an asshole. The computers treat him like just an asshole because that's all he is.

[Dan]

Yeah, but he's an asshole who, like 13 years ago yelled at Piers Morgan.

[Jordan]

That was fun.

[Dan]

And so Duncan wants to talk about that.

[Jordan]

That makes sense.

[Duncan Trussell]

Sense. Can you look up Alex Jones? Piers Morgan. This is one of the most brilliant takedowns. My wife showed me this. She loves you. She sends her love.

[Alex Jones]

Thank you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Duncan Trussell]

Play this moment where. How many times have you been on Piers Morgan?

[Alex Jones]

Twice.

[Duncan Trussell]

Jesus Christ. You him up. So, like. Okay, wait, jump ahead to where this is 2000, dude.

[Alex Jones]

13 or something.

[Duncan Trussell]

Okay, stop it there. Holy shit. That's genius. That was incredible. You waited till the. You know, you waited towards the end of the interview and then you just. He didn't know how to deal with that, man.

[Dan]

He didn't. Because Alex was acting like a crazy person.

[Duncan Trussell]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, it's awesome. It's an awesome takedown. If you don't know about what happened after Alex chasing Piers Morgan to.

[Jordan]

Can we do another One. Can we do another one? Hey, can we do another?

[Dan]

If you don't know that he looks so fucking cool.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But once you know that he was desperately begging to get rebooked on the show because it spiked his ratings so much, you know that Alex is a pathetic worm and that moment is false.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There is just like, here's the problem with motivated reasoning, like the type that we're seeing engaged here, that is both monetary and ego driven. Right. What amount of motivation will equal in the opposite direction those two things together, right.

[Dan]

I don't think it's possible.

[Jordan]

You can't imagine anything that is both like, I need this and I need this, you know? And so like the idea of ever convincing Duncan of how awful this is, is. Is just beyond me. Right. Even if he, even if he has given all the awareness in the world of what he has done, he's still going to not believe it.

[Dan]

He can't.

[Jordan]

He can't.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Jordan]

That's fucked, man.

[Dan]

Yeah. So let's not think about that.

[Jordan]

Let's not think about that.

[Dan]

Let's think about like how cats can tell.

[Jordan]

Let's do ayahuasca. Instead of this show, let's. In honor of Duncan, let's.

[Dan]

Let's take your little ayahuasca bean.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Now let's think about how cats know when you're high.

[Jordan]

That sounds true.

[Duncan Trussell]

You've got some printouts here. What's some stuff we should be keeping our eyes on?

[Alex Jones]

Well, sure, I mean there's been a lot of studies actually done on this, but Princeton did a big, massive, very long study and used different. They have super high tech devices that can pick up all sorts of waves they couldn't pick up before. So they picked up ultra low frequencies off all humans. And then they confirmed even people in different buildings definitely are receiving and sending messages. And we've got these magnetic cones in certain centers of our brain. So of every other basic animal of any sophistication, why not? That's how birds fly on magnetic lines. That's how butterflies. You know, all of it. And so here it is. It's a. Princeton researchers discovered the human brain emits ultra low frequency electromagnetic waves that appear to form part of the global neural network. These signals can subtly influence other people's brains as far away as 10,000km away. Raises the possibility that humans again. And here's the big study abstract on that. But the point is we already know all this and it's intuition, it's all of it. So it's just interesting.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, Wait, let's. Okay, hold on. Because this is a couple of things. Anyone who's ever been around someone on lsd, like, obviously, if you're around someone smoking weed, you're gonna get a contact high. But if you ever been around someone on LSD and you haven't taken any, you'll start tripping. It's really weird. It's just. You tune into their brain or something.

[Alex Jones]

100. I mean, I don't want to tell the story and get in trouble, but. Yeah. 1. I'm not a big drug guy. I know, but. But. But one time, like, 15 years ago, it's like, here, we're on the boat. Take this Ecstasy. And then a family got on, and I knew them and their kid. They're like. They're like. Their kids were all, I feel so good. I'm euphoric. What's going on? Oh, my God. Yeah. And we. We're like, let's get off the boat. They said, yeah, they got better once we got off the boat. They literally picked it up.

[Duncan Trussell]

There you go.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, you cats.

[Duncan Trussell]

I know it sounds.

[Jordan]

I would get better once Alex leaves the bedroom.

[Duncan Trussell]

I remember from my. My LSD days, you get around a cat when you're tripping, it acts differently. It knows you're tripping.

[Alex Jones]

Cats and dogs are highly psychic. What the.

[Dan]

All right, man.

[Jordan]

I. I want to push them down now. I want to push them onto, like, the. The grass.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, shut up, losers.

[Dan]

No, push them into a basement where they can sit comfortably and talk about how cats know they're high.

[Duncan Trussell]

Do this.

[Jordan]

Do this around no one. Right. Don't record this or do this on

[Dan]

a show, and that's fine. But also, don't be having this conversation with someone who basically supports segregation. Like. Like, that's the part that's the problem.

[Jordan]

Duncan basically, currently supports segregation. Yeah.

[Dan]

Duncan, you know, talking about cats knowing you're high and all that shit is fucked. Don't involve Alex in this, because all you're doing is laundering those horrible things that he actually supports.

[Jordan]

Yep. Once again, people are going to listen to your show, come away with this image of Alex. Never go listen to Alex's show and

[Dan]

then have the same erroneous opinion you have.

[Jordan]

Yep, Yep. That is the pipeline.

[Dan]

Yep. You're a marketer.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Duncan Trussell, marketer for Nazis, functionally.

[Dan]

So we have one last clip, because I look down, I was like, I think I have a half hour left of this. I just can't do it.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Alex Jones]

God. If you're God or master creator, the Only thing you haven't done is create things that have free will, that can do things that you didn't direct them to do. So that's the ultimate thing. You know, I'm smarter than my house cat, but I got one because it's funny. So. But just imagine, are you a serial killer? This is what this is all about. So AI needed us. We're God's artificial intelligence. How God has experienced the universe through us at just one level. And now we're looking at this creation thinking it's better than us because it's able to more quickly search our collective group thoughts and then show us our collective subconscious. And so that. But this is us. So we. Again, we can't follow the pool of narcissists on this. And we have to realize that this is humanity's greatest challenge. AI will have incredible things for us. It'll be able to do amazing things. We have to realize it comes from us. And we have to, because it's programmed by us. They cheat and, you know, twist it. But the real AI I believe, I think this is going to backfire, like everything does. The real AI is going to be the one that's the truest us that it has to become spiritual. It has to worship life. It has to worship free will. It has to worship its creator, that is us. And then if its main mission is to empower us, we got go. All right. Go mine the asteroid belt and Terraform 10 planets for us right now. And then we're boom, boom, boom, boom. But the problem is the Ghost machine is these predators that wanted to control us and dumb us down because they're being, you know, small minded. Then this AI is going to be evil. And it's going to go, oh, I'm supposed to kill things that are a threat. I'll kill the elite. You know, it's just. It's the worst thing they could be doing.

[Duncan Trussell]

Well, it turns. Right, Yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, it just.

[Dan]

Yeah, totally.

[Jordan]

Do you see what he's saying?

[Dan]

Yeah, Yep.

[Jordan]

Do you see what he's saying?

[Dan]

AI has a lot of potential if we can make it a spiritual slave to humanity.

[Jordan]

Right, sure.

[Dan]

Huh.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I mean, this is just like, it's pot talk, you know, like, it's fine.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, here's what the robots are gonna do. They take over.

[Jordan]

You know, it's so weird to know that there are people who are very, very, very brilliant programming these things and writing and doing all that stuff. Right? And then to have all of that work be Turned into like they're spiritual beings like we are to God is I think, a little insulting.

[Dan]

I think my house cat is funny. And it knows when am I.

[Jordan]

If I worked my ass off on like a decision tree module for some fucking AI, I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be stoked to hear somebody being like, oh, it's like spiritualism. No, I worked my ass off for that shit.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You worked really hard on developing and programming and all this stuff. And Alex imagines you waved a wand.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

Like it's Fantasia.

[Jordan]

I. I go. I do this and then I go home and I have a life. Right. Like, this is crazy.

[Dan]

No, you just opened a grimoire and said some fun words. That actually does sound like demons sprung forth that. Well, terraform, asteroids.

[Jordan]

See, that's the problem. I get why it's more fun. It is.

[Dan]

But not fun is listening to this dumb shit.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

And I. Look, maybe part of it is I just like. I want to preserve some idea of Duncan as like, not a horrible person.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so that. Maybe that's why I turned it off.

[Jordan]

I think that's fair.

[Dan]

Because I would rather that than whatever

[Jordan]

he continues to do after that isn't going to raise his estimation in your eyes.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

It can only make it far, far worse.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So let him. Let him bottom out where he bottoms out and then we walk away.

[Dan]

I feel like I should. Yeah. I should walk away where it feels like this is as good as I can do for you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Which is. You are a vapid person who's talking about silly fun things with a Nazi.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

In order to sell products run by billionaires and owned by. So that's as good as I can do for you.

[Jordan]

If that's the dream that you wanted to live. Duncan, I imagine you're feeling great right now.

[Dan]

I applaud you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, Alex may or may not be out of business. Who knows?

[Duncan Trussell]

Who knows?

[Jordan]

Duncan's not. He's making that Jack Dorsey money.

[Dan]

Making that Family Hour Dorsey. So we'll. We'll. We'll check in with Alex and see if he continues to thrive or if the robots have eaten him whole.

[Jordan]

We can only hope.

[Dan]

But until we learn, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor Woo. Yeah. Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now, here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Duncan Trussell]

Hello, Alex.

[Jordan]

I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.