#1128: March 17-20, 2006

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1128: March 17-20, 2006 (March 27, 2026)

Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan recap Dan’s ongoing road trip, riff on their signature blend of absurdist humor and cultural critique, and then deep-dive into three days of Alex Jones’s 2006 broadcasts—including the infamous Charlie Sheen 9/11 Truther interview. This episode is divided: first, a lengthy, meandering travelogue and commentary from Dan and Jordan; then, a forensic analysis and running commentary on classic Alex Jones content.

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Dan's Road Trip Adventure

Timestamps: 00:00–35:00

Dan’s American Road Trip: Hot Takes and Heartfelt Moments

• Dan is podcasting from the road, location unknown to Jordan (01:01)
• He confirms he's in Terre Haute, Indiana, after some hilarious speculation on his surroundings (“America. And not the richest place in America.” – Jordan, 01:09)
• The motivation for the trip is gleefully pointless: visiting places with funny names. First stop, Aroma Hills, because Dan “had never smelled Aroma Hills” (04:06)
• Tornadoes struck Aroma Hills just after Dan made plans to visit—a synchronicity that sent Dan down a mini existential spiral (06:16)
• Upon arrival, he finds upbeat community spirit amid tornado cleanup, which genuinely moved him (07:53):
  “There’s something inspiring about people working together to build back from a natural disaster.” – Dan (11:53)
• Dan’s plan to visit the Aroma Hills forest preserve is stymied by a downed power line—he interprets it in video game terms as “gated content” (09:55)
• Instead, he explores Kankakee River State Park, finds “river shit,” sees a "Bigfoot was here" sign, and muses about the cryptid leaving Google Maps breadcrumbs (10:20)
• Aroma Hills, as a smell? “Nothing really notable.” – Dan (11:43)
• Dan finds peace and even a “profound-seeming” observation: if you see someone in the woods, they're almost certainly not a threat—if they were, you wouldn’t see them (13:00)

Memorable Quotes

• “If someone wants to hurt you, you’re probably not going to see them. They clearly don’t mind you seeing them, so don’t be scared of them.” – Dan (13:02)

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Second Stop: Exotic Cat Rescue

• Dan shares a photo with Jordan: it’s him with a tiger at an exotic cat rescue (16:10)
• He details a fascinating behind-the-scenes guided tour:
  • Tigers and lions “feet away”
  • The chest-thumping resonance of lions growling (“I can’t tell you how it felt in my chest”—Dan, 18:14)
  • The evolutionary terror and awe of facing massive predators
  • The cats are mostly rescues from failed exotic pet ownership or entertainment; many can’t be returned to the wild, but seem well cared for and even affectionate with staff (20:12)
  • Deep existential moment: “If this is what's going to kill me, that’s fine.” —Dan on facing big cats (18:29)
• Tourist’s perspective on captivity: Zoo animals look miserable; these animals seem more themselves, despite the inherent bummer of their circumstances (19:59)
• Cats might someday “take over” once humans fall off their perch—“They’ve insinuated themselves into our lives” (22:37)

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Dan’s Roadside Revelations and Life Lessons

• Dan has a new recurring segment idea: Thoughts That Seem Profound But Probably Aren’t (12:32)
• Musings on how one's appearance can impact perceived safety outdoors—Jordan theorizes “lumberjack privilege” (14:04)
• Jokes about needing a “dud” hiking partner (forest buddy) to increase one’s own odds in the wild (15:11)
• The restorative nature of country roads, the catharsis of seeing farm crops, and blending with the landscape (29:16)

Memorable Quotes

• “One of the things I’m finding I really enjoy is driving on country roads. That shit is there all the time and it’s just out of sight, out of mind, but it’s so calm and peaceful.”—Dan (29:16)

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Third Stop: The Casino

• Dan visits the Terre Haute casino for poker, reconnecting with a college passion (36:40)
• Affably loses some money and is struck by the genuine friendliness of small-town poker culture:
  “As a facsimile of a social thing, like, I know it’s not real. None of us will probably ever see each other again ... but they all were nice.” – Dan (39:44)
• Reflection: Most people are good; reality TV and online drama mask the majority’s essential decency (40:22)

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Reflections and Readiness to Continue

• Dan doesn’t miss city life but does miss people/pet; plans to extend trip after “reevaluating” (31:16, 31:54)
• Looking forward to new “stupid,” pleasant experiences (35:09, 43:04)
• On trip timing and global uncertainty: “There’s such an uncertainty with the way the world looks right now that six months from now, I think I might not be able to do this, period.” (43:34)

Quote

• “That’s something that actually is profound.” – Jordan (44:11)

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Podcast Seque: Knowledge Fight Classic—Alex Jones, March 17–20, 2006

Timestamps: 46:04–121:32

Opening Banter—Podcast Bright Spots

• Dan: Nutella ice cream cones, “solid eight and a half to nine out of ten” (46:40)
• Jordan: Venezuela’s underdog victory at the World Baseball Classic (“It was a really great game. It was great for baseball.”, 48:12)
• Baseball’s randomness and why it’s possibly the only major sport where a series is necessary (50:18)

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Setting the Stage: Alex Jones in March 2006

March 17, 2006 — “Angry, Dead on Arrival Friday Show”

• Open call-in format, Alex unenthusiastic ("Whatever, whatever... you disagree with me, whatever."—Alex, 55:21)
• Bizarre soliloquies about how “the whole world is a hoax”—the stock market, money, everything (56:04 onward)
• Fact-check: Alex mangles the Bush bill-signing story; what he claims as “pork for Bush” is in fact less Medicare funding, not a $2 billion windfall to loot (57:13–58:26)
• Spirals into metaphysical coin conversations: Has anyone ever actually held a gold coin? Is all gold a hoax?! (59:29)

Notable Exchange

• “Gold’s a hoax.” – Dan, mocking Alex (59:06)

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On Global Currency "Conspiracies"

• Alex claims a euro-based “petrodollar” is emerging as a globalist plot (61:02)
• In reality, it’s a function of sanctions; countries like Iran prefer euros out of necessity, not anti-dollar scheming (62:27)
• Geopolitical insight: Global trust in the dollar is based as much on systems convenience and US stability as anything else. If the US keeps producing uncertainty, countries will build alternate systems (63:33)

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Caller Drama: The Sad Call-in Show

• Memorable moment: A listener requests a signed photo of Alex. Alex laments being “too busy” to sign autographs, suggesting it would “set a precedent" (65:42–66:52)
• “Just send the guy an autograph. He’s on his deathbed. It could not hurt you.” – Jordan (66:56)
• The overall Friday energy? “This show. This is a disaster. This episode. No good.” – Dan (67:37)

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March 20, 2006 — The Charlie Sheen Interview

The Context

• Alex opens Monday’s show hyping an exclusive interview with Charlie Sheen, star of Two and a Half Men (68:52)
• A pivotal moment: Sheen, then a mainstream celebrity, steps into the 9/11 truther movement on a national platform
• Dan and Jordan provide meta-commentary: This represents Alex’s choice between ideological purity (hating all mass media/celebrity) and exploiting celebrity for validation and publicity (74:16–76:18)

On Interview Ethics

• “The correct choice, if you want to do a serious show, is to not interview Charlie Sheen. There isn’t some amazing insight he has into what happened on 9/11 because he’s a famous actor.” – Dan (74:17)
• “Alex is in fact interested in chasing celebrity, which isn’t wrong in and of itself. It’s only wrong because of the way Alex presents himself …” – Dan (74:19)

The Interview: Structure and Substance

1. Initial Banter: Charlie Promotes Two and a Half Men Hard

   • Sheen enthusiastically pitches that night’s episode (“Spit Covered Cobbler”) with a detailed sitcom plot summary (80:12)
   • Alex clearly wants 9/11 talk; Charlie’s there to network and plug his show

2. Charlie as “Serious Researcher”

   • Sheen claims to have done “independent research,” admires Alex's “tireless” documentaries (“The feeling is good.” – Dan, 86:39)
   • Jordan and Dan point out: These works avoid falsifiable claims and favor vibes over substance

3. Charlie’s “Questions” About 9/11

   • Repeats vague skepticism: “There’s holes in the story you could fly a Boeing jet through.” (88:51)
   • When pressed, only offers generalities (e.g., “nineteen amateurs with boxcutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets—that feels like a conspiracy theory.”– Sheen, 93:05)

4. Alex’s Rhetorical Flood

   • Alex responds with a machine-gun list of 9/11 “anomalies” (cell phone calls from planes, NORAD, etc.), making debate impossible (93:05)
   • Dan notes: This tactic overwhelms and converts feelings to “unanswerable” questions

5. Building Seven and “Pull It”

   • Sheen’s most concrete argument: The infamous Larry Silverstein “pull it” quote about WTC 7, taking it as demolition code (100:23)
   • Jordan/ Dan’s analysis: This is egregiously out-of-context; “pull it” referred to withdrawing firefighters, not demolition (101:50)

6. Commission Investigation Silliness

   • Alex and Charlie question the timing of the official commission (“JFK started that day. 9/11 started about a year later.”– Sheen, 104:25)
   • Dan meticulously fact-checks: No, major disaster investigations don’t start instantly; investigation timelines are always fuzzy and multi-stage (104:49–107:01)
   • Jordan: “That is just a structure that you cannot trust inherently.” (108:46)

7. “Unbiased” 9/11 Commission: But Only If They Already Agree

   • Proposed “neutral” investigative committee is actually just a panel of known truthers and sympathetic foreign politicians (109:34–111:01)
   • “He wants a committee that’s pre-biased towards his conclusion … that’s actually key to understanding him.” – Dan (111:01)

Quote Montage

• “I would like to see ... some neutral investigative committee. I don’t know exactly how to establish that.” – Charlie Sheen (109:34)
• “Alex’s mind works … he wants a committee that’s pre-biased towards his conclusion ...” – Dan (111:01)

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Aftermath and Second/Third Hours

• Alex’s servers allegedly crash, demand for Sheen interview so high that he replays it in hour three (115:08)
• Alex teases reviewing V for Vendetta (116:50):
  “That movie is important ... He does not really talk much more about it.” – Dan (118:13)
• Jordan is both disappointed and bemused at Jones’s consistent inability to actually follow through on movie reviews

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Recap and Reflection

• Dan: The value of the Sheen interview isn’t evidence or substance, it’s pure parasocial association: “The only thing you’re getting out of this interview is networking … The audience by proxy can feel associated too.” (99:13)
• With hindsight, this episode marks the beginning of Sheen’s public unraveling, implicating Alex as an enthusiastic, enabling bystander.

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Notable/Signature Knowledge Fight Moments

• Jordan posits that Alex has “the worst It’s A Wonderful Life ever” because of the lives he’s damaged (91:23)
• Jokes about the arbitrary application of “globalist” logic when celebrity is involved (76:39)
• Dan and Jordan’s tandem fact-checks and cultural analysis ground the episode, making sense (or satire) out of InfoWars' chaos

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Key Quotes with Timestamps

• “How could it be that that place is the one place that’s basically impassable… it’s like a video game wall.” – Dan (09:55)
• “If someone wants to hurt you, you’re probably not going to see them.” – Dan (13:02)
• “If this is what’s going to kill me, that’s fine.” – Dan, on facing lions at rescue (18:29)
• “Gold’s a hoax.” – Dan, channeling/poking fun at Alex (59:06)
• “It takes a lot of work to get people on reality TV who will behave like assholes ... Most people—the massive majority—are exactly like you.” – Jordan (40:22)
• “Charlie Sheen’s a big boy. He can make his own decisions … Alex played a particular role in a way that he should have known better.” – Dan (92:05)
• “He wants a committee that’s pre-biased toward his conclusion… only calling it unbiased because it sounds better.” – Dan (111:01)

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Summary Table of Episode Structure

| Segment | Topic | Notable Moments | Timestamps | |------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------|-----------------------------| | 1. Road Trip Recap | Dan’s journey, tornado, Aroma Hills, cat rescue, casino | “Profound” thoughts, memes | 00:00 – 35:00 | | 2. Bright Spots | Food, baseball | Comedy, riffing | 46:04 – 48:56 | | 3. Alex Jones (March 2006) Friday | Low-energy call-in, “everything’s a hoax”, gold coin talk | Listener asks for autograph | 55:21 – 68:07 | | 4. Monday’s Show/Charlie Sheen | 9/11 Truther interview, Jones seeks validation & celebrity proximity | Sheen’s vagueness, pull it | 68:52 – 104:04 | | 5. Fact-Checking/Polygraphs | Investigation timing, Sheen’s analysis, “independent” commissions | Meta-commentary | 104:04 – 114:56 | | 6. Aftermath & Movie Review Tease | Jones alleges crashed servers, promises “V for Vendetta” review (doesn’t deliver) | Ongoing review disappointment | 115:08 – 121:32 |

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Takeaways

• Road Trip Section: Intimate, self-deprecating, meandering—shows off Dan and Jordan’s conversational style and humor.
• Historical Alex Jones Section: Demonstrates Alex’s early pursuit of celebrity validation, his opportunism, and the shallow rhetorical strategies that lay the groundwork for “mainstream” conspiracy culture.
• Charlie Sheen Interview: Ripe for hindsight analysis; the Sheen interview is both a pop culture oddity and a case study in how conspiracy broadcasting courts spectacle over substance.
• Meta: Throughout, Dan and Jordan counter fantasy with fact and self-aware commentary, emphasizing the importance of media literacy and skepticism.

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For New Listeners

This episode is an excellent microcosm of what Knowledge Fight does best: humanizing absurdity, breaking down rhetorical sleights-of-hand, and providing both levity and clarity in the face of impossible nonsense. The conversation flows between playful travelogue, cultural nostalgia, and deep-dive fact-checking—all in the duo’s signature, highly referential style.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Jordan]

Hello.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

How's it going?

[Dan]

I'm Dan. I'm sitting here.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan. I'm coming to your rescue. I'm coming to your rescue. Right out the gate with that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. That's a rough start. We're not great improvisers, I think, is the point of that opening. This is thoroughly planned out, right, Dan?

[Dan]

The hey, hey, hey part of it was kind of like my brain missing a beat, trying to figure out, like, is this gonna go before the theme

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

song, or am I gonna have to

[Dan]

put the theme song in later?

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

And I decided in the moment that

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

this is gonna go in cold.

[Dan]

No theme song. Just hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Jordan]

I mean, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be honest with you. We've. We've given criticisms about having production meetings in the past, and I. I think maybe we are hypocritical in that regard.

[Dan]

There is a happy medium that we should strike. And, yeah, it's. We have failed it. So, Jordan, I'm on the road.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You don't know where I am.

[Jordan]

You do not.

[Dan]

You can see, obviously, I'm in a hotel room somewhere, but you don't know. You have no idea where I am.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, just judging from the decor of your hotel room, I'd say, first off, America. And second, not the richest place in America.

[Dan]

You are right on both counts, and we will get to that in a moment. So what's going on here is that I am taking this road trip, and I'm also a lunatic. And so we had planned that we were going to continue working. I was gonna work from the road. We'd established, you know, some ways to do that, getting some other equipment and all that shit. But Alex has been out of studio still. So even though I'm on the road trying to live it up, go see America, I'm being annoyed that he's not showing up. So I figured, like, we're not gonna do it. We're not gonna do an episode about Stuart Rhodes hosting or anything like that. We have episodes banked, so we have an old 2006 episode that will play after this little intro. But, yeah, it looks.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It looks bad over there.

[Dan]

And I can't say that it doesn't feel great to be having a fantastic time, personally. While Alex is conceivably having the worst time of his life, it is.

[Jordan]

It is hard for me to conclude anything other than that he is on a bender right now, based upon all of our previous interactions with him. Up until the point when he has been gone, they have been dangerously alcohol induced, it's true.

[Dan]

But I think the last time I saw him visually he was in a room that was suspiciously sterile looking. And I was like, well maybe that's rehabilitation. Maybe someone could to a, to a dry out center or something.

[Jordan]

Or he could be taking out his frustrations Dexter style. You know, you never know. Maybe he's. Maybe he's out finally doing good for once and I guess murdering serial killers. I don't remember that show.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He's taking that. Carpe dunk dun.

[Jordan]

Many, many have gone missing for their criticisms of Infowars recently.

[Dan]

Leo Zegami, dead

[Jordan]

now who's the Antichrist going to be?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I have much to report from the road. Jordan.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yes.

[Dan]

I think that, I think you made the prediction that America and not very affluent America.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And I think you're right.

[Dan]

I am in Terre Haute, Indiana right now.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right. The highest. The highest earth, as I'm sure that sounds right.

[Dan]

I think that, yeah, I know a little bit of French and I think that checks out.

[Jordan]

Yeah, works for me.

[Dan]

So yeah, I'm leg two of my journeys and so to give, to give everyone a little bit of a peek behind the curtain about the plan of this, I just sat on Google Maps and looked around for places that sounded funny. And so I ended up just scrolling around on the map and I saw a town called Aroma Hills. And it dawned on me that I had never smelled Aroma Hills. And, and if you see the name, you can't like you can't have an olfactory memory of it just by looking at the word, but you feel like you should. And so I wanted to correct that and I made that the first stop of my trip.

[Jordan]

Right. I'm going to ask you a question real quick. I'm going to get. I'm going to interrupt you for a second. Do you think it is then necessarily an act of violence for them to name it Aroma Hill? Like without. I didn't do anything to deserve this longing to know what a smell of a hill is. And they've just named it such to give me that feeling. That's bullshit.

[Dan]

I really think it's an unattended thing. Like I don't think it's an act of violence. I think, I think the effect may be violence, but there's no malice in it. Like naming it that is not. Like it's not hurtful.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Jordan]

I'm just saying people need to think ahead before they start naming things. Right.

[Dan]

Someone weird like me Might see the town name.

[Jordan]

Exactly. And then here we are.

[Dan]

I think 99% of people who would

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

see that town name would have no second thought.

[Dan]

But for me, it was just like, huh, I gotta smell that place.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

And so that was my plan. That was my first stop. And I came up with some other stops. And as I was. As. I think we mentioned this in the last episode, I spoke this into reality with my. My therapist and friends. And then you. And I told my therapist about my plan just to make sure it didn't sound crazy.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And he thought it was a great idea.

[Dan]

And then the next morning, he sends me a text that there had been a tornado that had hit Aroma Hills. So I tell you about this coincidence of, like, I've never heard of fucking Aroma Hills. I tell my therapist my plan is to start a road trip, that being the first stop. Then there's.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He sees a tornado history.

[Dan]

What is this? Is this a sign of something? And you managed to convince me a little bit that it is Gene hacking.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you have to. You must go visit after. After this whole situation. It is. It is something calling to you. Go chase the tornado. It is a metaphor. It's like it's wizard of Ozzie. And it's not just Gene hack me

[Dan]

and Gene hack me in Hackman.

[Jordan]

Hackmanian. I think I'm gonna go with Hackman.

[Dan]

I think they all work. So I. I got there, and my plan initially was that there's a. There's. I was gonna stay in Kankakee, which is just outside Aroma Hills, and there's an Aroma Hills, like forest preserve, and I was gonna wander around there. I was also gonna see, because this tornado had happened, I was gonna see, you know, what was up. Is there anything, of course, that needs assistance? How are they recovering and everything?

[Jordan]

Any elderly celebrities that need help?

[Dan]

I didn't see any.

[Jordan]

Well, maybe next time.

[Dan]

It was surprising to me. And granted, I didn't poke around and ask too many people, but it seemed like there was a phenomenal recovery effort underway. Like, there was a lot of trees and branches and stuff, but they were all very organized. Like, everything was like, it really. I don't know, you can see things are wrecked, and you can see. You can see definitely that there is destruction. I don't want to, like, gloss over that and minimize it. But there was another end of it too, that it really seemed like people were helping each other and that was in progress. And so there was something pretty uplifting about.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

About that. Like, you're.

[Dan]

You're coming into this place and you're not just seeing, like, oh, horror. Oh, it's awful. It was kind of. There's a tinge of optimism that came along with it.

[Jordan]

The destruction will come, but what is powerful about humanity Is the rebuilding that comes after.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. But. So my biggest plan or point Was that I was gonna go to that forest preserve. And so I'm. I'm heading over there. I'm driving.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

The one thing that I ran into that was, like, actual pretty, like, damage that wasn't fixed Was that there was a downed power line over the entrance to the forest preserve. There was. It was just impassable and looked like it would probably die if you tried to drive over it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. Whether or not you were following the precepts of some sort of God or anything, Right now it feels more like a mischievous leprechaun kind of style thing going on here. Like, follow me. Ooh, not too close. That's where I'm. That's where I'm seeing this going.

[Dan]

How could it be that that place is the one place that's bas. Basically impassable that I saw in the town, and it's the one place that I was. I was setting out to go.

[Jordan]

It's like. It's like a video game wall. You're not supposed to be able to go there. Perhaps it'll be unlocked when you level up on the way back.

[Dan]

It's gated content.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's. That's a good way to think about it. I don't have the upgrade. I don't have my booster shoes.

[Jordan]

You got. You gotta have the shoes to jump the power or rubber shoes to keep from getting electrocuted. This all makes sense.

[Dan]

So I just decided, like, I'll just go somewhere else. And Went to the Kankakee river state park and walked around there. Lovely time. Had a blast. Saw some. Saw some nature. Stood over the river and contemplated. River shit.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I found a sign that said that sasquatch was around, and then he wasn't.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, I'm fairly certain he's still Pacific northwestern. So if he's on a trip at the same time that you're on a trip, now that's a coincidence.

[Dan]

I don't think he would have had the time to set up that sign that says bigfoot over there if he was just passing through. Like, if he's on a road trip.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, maybe he's. Maybe he's some sort of Johnny bigfoot seed, where everywhere he goes, he puts one of those signs behind him. So you know where he was along his journey?

[Dan]

Bigfoot was here.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Or is it. Or is it Geocacher?

[Jordan]

That's possible. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

You never know.

[Dan]

Little flash drives around.

[Jordan]

Maybe he's got a little Google camera. And this is for street view.

[Dan]

So that Aroma Hills was the jump off or the.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The.

[Dan]

The end of leg one and jump off of leg two.

[Jordan]

What's your review of Aroma Hill?

[Dan]

You know what, as a smell, nothing really notable.

[Jordan]

I feel like the correct answer was it stinks.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No, it was fine.

[Dan]

I think the town was really lovely, and I think that the. There's something inspiring about people working together to build back from a natural disaster.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Sure.

[Dan]

But, you know, the Kankakee river was lovely. And I found a beaver den. I found a little hidden beaver den from poking around.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And I also.

[Dan]

I was on one trail and I had. This might be a segment for my trips by my road reports, which is thought that seems profound, but probably isn't.

[Jordan]

All right. I suspect a jingle in our future for the segment.

[Dan]

I saw, like, a guy coming out of the woods, Right. And I was not scared of him at all. And I realized that I'm a very panicky, like, scared person generally.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But in the woods, in the middle of nowhere, if you see someone, they're

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

not a threat to you.

[Charlie Sheen]

They.

[Dan]

If someone wants to hurt you, you're

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

probably not gonna see them.

[Dan]

So if you.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's a fair point.

[Dan]

They clearly don't mind you seeing them, so don't be scared of them. And while you're at it, if someone is gonna hurt you, they probably are

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

gonna do it in a way that you're never gonna see coming. So don't worry about that either.

[Jordan]

Probably. Sure, I suppose maybe wear a paper plate on the back of your head with a set of eyes just in case. Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Can't hurt.

[Jordan]

Can't hurt.

[Dan]

You know, like, as a. As a sort of paranoid, jittery person, it was a nice little like, hey, whatever is gonna attack you probably isn't.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You're never gonna see it.

[Dan]

And if you do see people, go ahead, be nice to them. They're probably. Can't possibly want to hurt you.

[Jordan]

Can I pitch you on this?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Let me take that back. Maybe this isn't universalizable.

[Jordan]

Let me just throw this out there for you. And you can. You can take it or leave it, however that you desire. But you are, and I think we both know this, a very her suit man.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

I believe that in a woodsian encounter, you perhaps feel more in. In your element. If I was an observer walking in. I don't look like I'm supposed to be in the woods, but you can. You've got some lumberjack vibes to you.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's a privilege, certainly, to my being a thick man of hair.

[Charlie Sheen]

A hairy, thick man.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

Certainly. I'm not someone's first, like, target. Maybe. Maybe people in the woods aren't safe. Look, my point is, I was trying to be reassuring. It turns out the segment's a bust because the profound thing. I have totally backtracked on it immediately just by saying it.

[Jordan]

Well, I feel like this is a very I only have to be faster than you kind of situation. Like, if. If you're walking around in the woods, you only have to be less of a target than somebody who's very easily a target, you know, so.

[Dan]

So you should bring someone along.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

A forest buddy who's like a dud.

[Jordan]

I would suggest. I would suggest a thin, unathletic person to keep with you.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

All right, all right.

[Dan]

So I took off from Aroma Hills and I had a. I had a good time.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I. There was.

[Dan]

It was nice. And a lot of what I was looking for, no complaints. But then I took off for my second destination. And I'm about to send you a picture, Jordan, that you can. You can. I'd like you to describe to the. To the listeners here.

[Jordan]

I'll do my best.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Oh, man.

[Jordan]

You know, I find it very interesting that we live in a time where you can text me something and I get it instantly. That's kind of fucking weird, right?

[Dan]

But what's been like that for a while?

[Jordan]

I know. What is that? It is Dan giving a thumbs up to a. I mean, it looks like it's striped like a tiger, but it's probably. It's got to be a mountain lion, right? Oh, no tiger. Oh, this is an illegal tiger. Are you hanging out with an illegal tiger? Is that what's happening?

[Dan]

Well, we should take the illegal out of the.

[Jordan]

That is a tiger. All right. There is a tiger in a cage. I watched Tiger King, so I'm guessing that it's super illegal.

[Dan]

Well, actually, these people. It's a exotic cat rescue in center. Outside Center Point, Indiana.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And I decided that was the second stop of my trip because I wanted to check it out. I wanted to see. I love. Obviously I love cats, and I thought it would be really interesting to see these tigers and.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Oh, it was.

[Jordan]

Oh, man.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Nice.

[Dan]

They have a guided tour that they take you on of the facility because the facility itself is an active working rescue where they Take in cats from, you know, people who try to illegally own them as pets. I think they actually even did say that they had taken some from.

[Jordan]

They had a couple Tiger Kings. Yeah, yeah, they had a couple Tiger Kings. Yeah.

[Dan]

Also, also animals who are, like, used in movies and then don't have a home, no one can take care of them. So they have. I think he said something to the effect of like 200 something animals that are cared for on this, this refuge. And man, what a fucking nuts thing. Yeah, these, these cats are huge and you're right next to them. Like, I, I, I was feet away from tigers. Lions.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Five minutes into being there, we're walking down a trailer and these two lions start growling at each other. And I can't tell you, like, how

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

it felt in my chest.

[Dan]

Like you could feel the vibration of these.

[Jordan]

You felt the evolutionary history of 200,000 years of most of the time being terrified of giant cats.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I, I don't know if I'm proud that this is exactly my first thought, but my first thought was, like, you could eat me, that's fine. If this is what's going to kill me, that's fine. I had, I was at peace with the idea of. Then I started to think about, like, what goes into a lion killing me, which would be like a lot of tearing.

[Jordan]

It would be a real bummer for a while.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That part I wasn't cool with.

[Dan]

But just as a concept, a lion eating me.

[Jordan]

Okay. I mean, I think, I think the, the don't, don't we go into shock, you know, like we see the body doing all the screaming and all that stuff, but because of the way our brains work, they just shut off. So you'd probably just die without even knowing. Well, I mean, after you die, you would have no idea that it really hurt.

[Dan]

I have no idea.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And I think a lot of those,

[Dan]

I always feel like those stories are just meant to reassure us, you know,

[Jordan]

like we're just being reassured. Oh, the lions won't eat you.

[Dan]

You won't feel it. You'll be fine. Anybody who could refute that is probably dead.

[Jordan]

So there is, it is a, it is a fairly easy to solve problem, isn't it?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So it was, it was wonderful. It was a really, really great time. Yeah, they, they have foxes and skunks. The skunks didn't come out of hiding, which is probably good because I freaked them out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But yeah, I can't. You know, you see animals in the zoo and they're bummed Out. They seem incredibly miserable.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And these animals, obviously it would be better if they were in nature maybe. Although natural habitats are eroding and, you know, under attack, so maybe it wouldn't. But leaving that aside, a lot of them were raised in places that make them very difficult to reintegrate into the wild. And to the extent that they can be, they seem pretty happy. And like the tour guide, when he was walking around, he went up to the tiger cages and was petting them through the gate, like the fence. And like, they were rubbing up against the fence affectionately. Like, it just reminded me of Selene. Like, there were so many behaviors that were just like, okay, this is a 300 pound murder machine. But it also has the same tendencies as my. My tabby.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, there's like, okay, there's no consciousness that says they know how large or small they are. They're just cats, you know, like, that's why Selene, if Selene was large, would just jump on you. And in the same. Same way you would just be crushed. Yeah, there would be. Yeah, they're all just cats in the same size. Right. They're in a different size.

[Dan]

And that's what the guy was saying, too, is like this.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This probably.

[Dan]

They're really sweet and. But it'd probably kill you just by accident, right?

[Jordan]

It would be playing with you.

[Dan]

Yeah. It just break its toy, you know.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And that kind of was a bummer.

[Jordan]

Well, you know, here I was, here's what I'm thinking, right? It's a bummer that they're being mistreated right now. But what's important is that some of them make it through because they'll have their time again. Humans aren't gonna be on top for the rest of time, so you gotta figure eventually there'll be something that messes us up. And then the cats, boom. Right back on top.

[Dan]

Hold on now. I am not certain that we could ever say there was a time when cats were on top. If I looked at the history, the best they've ever had was probably Egypt,

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

and humans were still on top there.

[Dan]

They just worshiped cats.

[Jordan]

Sure. I mean, I don't know, maybe they're on top right now. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. The smaller ones, at least. Yeah, absolutely. They'll grow eventually.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They've insinuated themselves into our lives to the point where we no longer think them a threat.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And that's.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

That's a strategy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, sure.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Maybe.

[Jordan]

Maybe eventually they're. They're like Goldfish as, as we diminish, they will expand and then house cats will, will become house people, will be small little people for their giant that. I don't know if I would have stick by that one. I don't know if that one's gonna work out.

[Dan]

I'm tread carefully.

[Jordan]

I think, I don't think I'm gonna let. I'll hang with that one.

[Dan]

So, yeah, I think, you know, it's always really difficult to, you know, go to a place and know exactly like, is this the coolest thing? But I definitely got the sense that I was glad that they are doing the work that they're doing and taking care of those animals. And like, it seemed like a pretty positive thing all around and everyone was really nice and yeah, just.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Just a hoot. Just a hoot.

[Jordan]

Just a hoot. Well, that's fantastic. No, hey, well, I mean, maybe there were at one point in time, but then, you know, I imagine large cats don't truck with that.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

And they can hang up in trees high enough to handle the business.

[Dan]

You know, we have propaganda films that tell us like, tigger can hang out with owl.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And that's not true.

[Jordan]

Well, I believe, I watch, I watched the Staircase and I believe that there was an owl murder in that or potentially so.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Not.

[Dan]

Not with a cat that was just a human.

[Jordan]

That's true. That's true. Just. Just a human.

[Dan]

So this guy who's given me the tour. Yeah, I, I had a moment that like blew my mind. So we're, we're like three quarters of the way through the tour or so. And he was an awesome older Jim Bakery in, in some ways physically, but not, not like as a character or a person. But he, he was, he's talking to me about like telling me the stories of these cats and it's just a blast. He's been like in the cat game or taking care of cats since the 60s. And yeah, we get to where our path is going one way and then the people feeding the cats are going the other way. Okay, so we're gonna intersect, right. We happen to intersect just after they've fed a leopard, an old leopard. And when I say old, I mean it's still a big ass leopard that looks scary as shit.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

One of the people who's in the feeding group is like, she needs to take her meds. And so he, my tour guide, gets a chunk of meat that has the meds, goes in the cage, ends up trying to give the meat to the leopard who has retreated inside his little Nook. So now he's gone into the nook and is basically inside a clubhouse, a little tiny clubhouse with the leopard giving it the meat with the medicine on it. Yeah, I think he knows what he's doing.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He's responsible.

[Dan]

He's not taking any, like, real dangers. I'm not worried. Then his phone rings, and I'm thinking my heart would stop. If I'm this guy, I'm in an enclosed space with a leopard and my phone rings. He's totally chill about it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Takes the call.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, you know, it's not like going to the gorilla cage in the zoo or anything like that. He's just known this cat for probably its whole life. This cat and him are probably buds.

[Dan]

Yeah. And, and I get that the cat's old too, so maybe that factors into it. But, like, it just, you still get. You have to be scared of the instincts that it might have. I, I trusted, like that he knew what he was doing, but at the same time, there was a split second of me thinking, like, wrong day, Wrong day for me to visit. Oh, no, no, no.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, I'll say this. Anybody who's done something for 60 years, anytime I've, I've interacted somebody with that amount of experience, I've seen them do things that I would describe as extremely dangerous, with a lot of laissez faire kind of vibes about them. So, you know, he's, he's been doing it for a long time. If, if he were scared or if there was going to be a problem, he probably would already be dead by now, right?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But that day has to come. You know, like, you say that like he would be dead already at some point that day happened.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You know, Like, I agree with you

[Dan]

almost 100% that, like, people who have been doing things for a long time, you see them do reckless shit and they get away with it, but they also, also like it. Your luck runs out. And I, I was so scared that I was there, like, at the moment that luck ran out and a leopard was gonna attack. And I, I, the fact that it didn't was.

[Jordan]

Do you become a cat rescue shelter because you want to die sleeping in your bed? No, my friend. At the end of your days, you want to feed those cats with what's left of you. He's, he's lived a long life. He's ready to make the future happen for the next generation of cats and cat people. Feed me to the. Feed me to the lions. He says when he's 85, I hey, you gotta go. You're gonna go sooner or later. There's nothing, there's nothing you can do about that.

[Dan]

There's something kind of beautiful about it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, drink me up and feed me to the cats.

[Dan]

But we did finish the tour, so he, I left him quite alive.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Still.

[Jordan]

Still alive. Good. That's good news. That's good news.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. But just, but that was a great,

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

it was a great.

[Dan]

You know, I think that Aroma hills obviously was blocked off that forest preserve, but the river was still great. But as a, like an idea of this being one of the stops, I'm so glad I went to that. Yeah, I'm so glad that's there.

[Jordan]

I take it you're enjoying this a great deal more than any sort of tourism kind of thing. Like, you know, obviously my wife and I, we've gone to other countries and we've done like zip lining and shit like that. Where there's a tour group, where there's lines of people. I'm assuming that this is much more your style.

[Dan]

Yeah, definitely. Like I'm, I'm. One of the things I'm finding I really enjoy is like driving on country roads. Like just. That is because that, that shit is there all the time and we, it's just out of, out of sight, out of mind. But it's so calm and peaceful and like just, you know, it. We are a part of nature. Right?

[Jordan]

All right, now that is a profound thought that may be on further reflection.

[Dan]

Hey, let's get the jingle. No, but we're a part of nature and a certain amount of agriculture is, is a product of our nature developing. And so it still is, it still feels like part. It's not as, it's not as wild and untouched as like the woods or whatever, but it still feels like outside of maybe like big Agra or something. Like, you know, obviously a giant factory farm or something isn't going to scratch the same little place, but.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Sure.

[Dan]

But you know, some of these country roads you see crops and stuff and it's very calming in a strange, in a strange way.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I can see that. How do you feel? How do you feel about being gone? You've been gone for a few days. Are you thinking, ah, maybe I'm missing home or are you just ready to see the open road in front of you?

[Dan]

Well, it's a, you know, it's a mixed bag a little bit.

[Charlie Sheen]

I think.

[Dan]

I miss, I miss you and I miss Celine. Miss this. We're coming up on, oh wait, it's Wednesday today.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Missing.

[Dan]

I'm going to miss movie time with Angela Lampsbury.

[Jordan]

That's true. That's true.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And so people.

[Dan]

I miss people some, and I count Celine as a person, strangely. But, like, I don't. I don't miss Chicago at all.

[Jordan]

I believe you.

[Dan]

And don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't hate it or anything, but I'm not eager to get back to, like, a city environment. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what that's going to manifest into, but, yeah, I just to, like, fill in people who haven't. Jordan and I have talked about this privately, but my plan was there's three stops that I'm going to make and then reevaluate along the way, whether or not I was gonna keep going and just keep exploring and see what I find. And at this point, I do feel like I'm gonna go further.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right.

[Dan]

I think. Yeah, I think I'm definitely. I found a fourth stop that I think would be fun. So there's at least that. So we're.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We're recording in the morning on Wednesday,

[Dan]

and I'm about to take off on legs three, and I believe there will be a lake four at this point.

[Jordan]

Wow. Wow, that's. That's good to hear. I'm excited by that. There's, you know, there's always the concern that maybe one wants something in idea and then in practice, very much not the case, which can be disappointing, or there can just be the, like, a little bit more fear than you were expecting, and that can draw you back, and that's disappointing. But that you're ready to spread those wings and move on to another stop. That's exciting.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It is. It is. And I'm.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I'm cognizant of the fact that I need to be aware that I have to get back. So, like, you know, as much as I'm like, hey, a fourth leg would be great, I'm also like, well, okay, then that also means you're committing to it taking longer to get back.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But that's okay. I think that's okay. I'm. That my headspace is. Is there for that. And, yeah, I don't. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I like that. I'm not sure.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I wonder if anyone ever would have swum across the Channel if they had to swim to get back. You know what I mean? Like, you. If you got to do it once, that's an achievement. But knowing you got to swim to. On the whole thing on the way back. Nah, that's. That's too much.

[Dan]

Are you talking. Talking like at the beginning of the beach.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Richard, Etienne, and Francoise have to swim to the beach.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly. That kind of thing. You're going to tire yourself out, so you got to. You got to make sure that you plan for the appropriate travel time.

[Dan]

It's kind of appropriate because I'm on the. On a travel thing here. But I did read the beach recently, and then I watched the movie the other night, and I'm mad at the movie. We don't have to get into it, but I'm mad at the movie.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Just.

[Jordan]

Just driving through the woods, angry at the beach. Yeah.

[Dan]

Danny Boyle.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This isn't.

[Dan]

Is this your fault? Whose fault is this?

[Jordan]

Whose fault is this?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I like his work.

[Dan]

I like 28 days later so much. And that was him and Garland.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And Garland wrote the beat.

[Alex Jones]

What the hell?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

What happened?

[Jordan]

Yeah. All right. You've had two experiences now without telling us what your next experience is planned to be. How about, tell me what your hope for the next experience is. You've had the sniff of a post tornado rebuilding project. You've seen giant cats. You've met people who care for them in the woods. Just neglecting all forms of society to care for animals that cannot care for themselves. All right, come on. I'm exaggerating it. This is a. This is a show. Okay. For God's sake. So tell me what experience you want on the next leg.

[Dan]

Well, the next. The next leg. Without giving away anything, because I. The element of surprise is important for you.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Dan]

I think it's just stupid. I hope it's stupid that. That's the. I'm looking. I'm looking.

[Jordan]

So you're headed to an Applebee's.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Might as well.

[Dan]

Honestly, I mean, like, it's. It's not that, but I think it'll be stupid, and that's what I'm looking forward to. But also, actually, I had a third experience.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

We didn't get to.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I took that tour of the. The cat park in the early afternoon yesterday. And then I had time, you know, that I could have. I could have done stuff. I was thinking about going to another forest preserve or something, but then I realized that I'm in Terre Haute. Right, sure. You know what's in Terre Haute?

[Jordan]

Absolutely not.

[Dan]

There's a casino.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay. All right. You gambled?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I decided that the way that I would put it is this trip is. It's not all just like me trying to descend into, like a primitive nature form of myself. It's expressing and following things that I really like and have liked and things that, like, connect with my heart in some way. And, you know, the woods, is that big ass cats? Is that trying to smell a city? Is that. Because it's fucking dumb.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

And like, poker is something that I fucking loved when I was younger.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

In college days, me and Nikki Gifts would go out to the bars. They had bar poker during the poker boom. And we would play like two, three nights a week. Sometimes we would be out at the. At the bars. We'd run into the same people who we had strong opinions of, even though they were strangers.

[Jordan]

So very important Chris Moneymaker was to the. To the poker community in that time period.

[Dan]

This is a little after Money Maker,

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

but he kicked it off.

[Jordan]

He kicked it off. Yep.

[Dan]

This is around the time of, like, the magician, Antonio Esfandom, the magician poker. Daniel Negranu.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Phil Hellmuth, the bad boy of. I don't know what he does.

[Dan]

Him and Mike Matasau would yell at each other all the time. The bad boys.

[Jordan]

I would give anything to not remember these names. There are so many important things that are gone inside my brain. Yet somehow fucking Phil Hellmuth lives up there.

[Dan]

Yeah. Jennifer Tilly would show up and play

[Jordan]

really great.

[Dan]

And the nice guy, Huxid, that was another guy, Phil Ivy.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Man, I remember all of these fucking poker players.

[Jordan]

Yep. I don't know why. I don't know why.

[Dan]

There was a time, so I went to the Terre Haute casino and they have a poker room and just playing some poker. And I didn't. I. I lost.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I didn't lose a lot.

[Dan]

I lost even half of the amount that I had set aside as, like, this is the fun money for like a night at the casino.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So I left. I left before I had even lost the. The nut or whatever because I just, I. I bought in for half of what I, like, would accept losing and sat at the table and, like, people were just really nice. Like, some of them were friends and clearly had, like a poker scene.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They were very welcoming and, like, it wasn't a, like, sharky kind of situation where people were trying to, like, gun for each other. It felt like, obviously you want to win pots and you want to win money, but, like.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, that.

[Dan]

It also felt kind of like a house game.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Where people are. It's. You do want to just see some cards sometimes?

[Jordan]

Sure, Absolutely. Let's play this bad hand just to see if the luck Hits.

[Dan]

Why not as much as, like, you know, I don't know any of these people are. They're in a casino in. In Terre Haute, Indiana, on a Tuesday night. So who knows? But it just seemed like they all. They all were nice, and that was nice. I didn't. I didn't sit down and be like, I fucking hate this guy. There wasn't one person at the table who. I'm like, God, I wish they weren't there. It was just all pleasant. Like, as a facsimile of a social thing, like, I know it's not real.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

None of us will probably ever see each other again.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Dan]

Except them. They will see each other.

[Jordan]

Sure. They'll be there on Tuesday for a long time to come.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But for me, they.

[Dan]

You know, they welcomed me in graciously, and we joked around and, like, it was. It was a lot of fun. It was. It did scratch an itch, and I lost my last hand, and I was totally fine with it and happy and, you know, hey, fun playing with you guys. Thanks for letting me. And took off. And, you know, like, I just.

[Jordan]

I like, you know, it points something out to me. What I'm hearing. What I'm hearing from you is that based on this trip, it's something that we never remember. It's something that we keep away from ourselves, is that it takes a lot of work to get people on reality TV who will behave like assholes. It takes an algorithm, it takes an entire corporation funneling assholes on social media to get those assholes there. Most people. The massive majority of people are one exactly like you. And you're really nice. So. So are they.

[Dan]

And I think. I think that the other thing, too, about that is that I think that every. Not everybody, but most people want to have fun.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And I'm gonna die. Have fun.

[Dan]

And I think that a lot of people are not, like, they feel like it's not safe to have fun with other people, and they keep a guard up, and I think that. That it gets in the way of people being able to have fun.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

This is another profound thought that probably isn't profound, which will be the theme of this. This road trip.

[Jordan]

You know, if you read Eat, Pray, Love, now, you're like, yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah. Traveling. It's fun.

[Dan]

It is. But it's not just the traveling of it. But it is. There is something about it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Dan]

So, yeah, I took off and I, you know, went home.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Went back to the. Back to the hotel. Conked. I don't think I'VE ever been to a casino and not drank or not stayed way too long. And there was something very nice about being able to walk out at, like, 10:30 and be like, I had a very pleasant time. I lost a little bit of money, but I had a very pleasant time with some strangers. And I could. I can. I could. I could be fine with that.

[Jordan]

I remember being young, looking at older people doing stuff like that, thinking, those idiots, they don't even know how to have fun anymore. Now it is a delight. It is the most fun thing in the world to be home safe without any kind of problems.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or to just have, you know, you

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

don't need an extreme experience. Just have an experience.

[Jordan]

Have a pleasant time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So that's kind of, you know, looping

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

back to your question.

[Dan]

That's kind of what I'm hoping. Whatever. This. This third leg, I hope it's stupid, but I also, you know, I hope it's pleasant. I hope it's.

[Jordan]

I think. I think we're all wishing that it continues to be pleasant for you. I think we're all excited that you are doing this. I think this is kind of a big step for you. And, you know, the future is uncertain, so this could be something that helps propel you forward.

[Dan]

Sure. And I wanted to address one thing. I did see one comment that I thought was really a good point, and that is Dan chose the exact wrong time to do this with the, you know, like, gas prices and stuff.

[Jordan]

Right. Yeah.

[Dan]

And I would like to say correct. However, part of my calculation was that there's such an uncertainty with the way the world looks right now that six months from now, I think I might not be able to do this, period.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Whereas now it's a burden and it's more expensive than it would be like in normal times. But maybe I couldn't do this later, and I would kick myself if I. If I didn't when I had an opportunity, even if it's a pain.

[Jordan]

Now, that's something that actually is profound.

[Dan]

Thank you.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I have more.

[Dan]

I have more deep thoughts that I will ruminate on my drive to destination three.

[Jordan]

Excellent.

[Dan]

But we will. Yeah, we'll.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We'll. We'll check in.

[Dan]

I'll send you some dumb pictures, of course. And yeah, I'll post those pictures with a tiger, too, because people just want to see that.

[Jordan]

Wonderful.

[Dan]

But, Jordan, so lovely to see you.

[Jordan]

Always pleasant. I've been missing you. I'm glad to see you enjoying yourself. Ow. Come on. You're traveling. You're gone. Come On. We do what we do.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Now people get to enjoy an episode of our show covering some time from 2006. So enjoy that and we'll check back in with you from the road, see if Alex is dead. No.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Red alert.

[Charlie Sheen]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Jordan]

And.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

I am sweating. Knowledgefight.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I need money. Andy and trans Andy.

[Alex Jones]

Andy, stop it.

[Jordan]

Andy in Kansas.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Andy in Kansas.

[Alex Jones]

It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian color.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm a huge fan. I love your room. Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Sup?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

My bright spot today is. You know what? It's March, so I'm going for.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Enough with a Survivor, right? I mean, like, we've talked about Survivor too much.

[Jordan]

You've. You've hit the. You've hit the beat a few times. Yeah, we're like. We're like five or six more before rake effect kicked back in.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. I don't want to. I don't want to get there. Maybe I'll bring it back up down the road, but I just don't have enough thoughts about it. Honestly, not a bad idea. And I did have a bright spot that is worth sharing.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And that is. I got a pack of Nutella ice cream cones.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You can get them at local groc,

[Jordan]

I'm sure various drugstores. Wherever groceries are sold.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I got them. And I was very worried because I've seen Nutella used in other applications and sometimes it just doesn't work incorrectly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This hit so hard.

[Jordan]

Nice.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It was really good. The texture and the flavor of Nutella blended well with the vanilla ice cream. Solid, solid. Eight and a half to nine out of ten.

[Jordan]

Dang.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's very good.

[Jordan]

Dang.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And I want to go buy another box.

[Jordan]

Damn.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So good stuff.

[Jordan]

That is a bright spot.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I ate two when I opened the box because I was like this right away. One good turn needs another chomp chomp, chomp.

[Jordan]

That's the stuff. You know, it's good whenever you're like, well, I think I'm gonna have to do that. Exactly.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Now, I shouldn't, but I must try another to make sure it's as good

[Dan]

as I think it is.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And it stood up to scrutiny.

[Jordan]

It's like how Douglas Adams described drinking. You know, like, you send the second one down to check and see how the first one's doing. And before they get there, you got to send a third down to go after both of them.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I could have had a third one. I probably. I. I stopped myself, but I could have. Anyway. What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is, well, I'll finish up with my World Baseball Classic.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Crack of the bat.

[Jordan]

The old. The old Mighty Ducks won. So Venezuela defeated the United States Championship game.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Ironic.

[Jordan]

Fantastic. It was a really great game. It was great for baseball.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Did they free Maduro?

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. The Mighty Ducks won. Like, it doesn't get more Mighty Ducks than that. Like, if I'm not rooting for the US Over Venezuela, I'm rooting for Venezuela. Fucking. If you're rooting for Iceland in the Mighty Ducks too, you're insane.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It is a very funny underdog kind of story, given the world.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could only have been better if it was Iran. Like, it would. It would have been there.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Jordan]

Like if Iran wins the World cup in Mexico, you know, as opposed to not being allowed to play because Trump threatened them.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You know, it. Was it close?

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. Three to two.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Ooh.

[Jordan]

Almost. Bryce Harper almost wanted in the eighth, hit a two run home run. Two to one. Then in the ninth, they. Venezuela pulled it off. It was awesome. It was a great game.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You kind of get the feeling that they could have won if Shohei wasn't playing for Japan.

[Alex Jones]

Who, Who?

[Jordan]

Venezuela beat Japan.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No, if. If he was on Team America.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Pulled off the Venezuela game.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, but it's. What's great about it is that it's for baseball. Baseball is a dumb game. It doesn't make sense. So it doesn't matter if you're the best team. It's so fucking random that it has very little effect on what, you know, like the best team in this season in the. Of all the year. Right. Will probably win about 60 to 65% of their game. That's not that much. No. Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Well, as Tori Hunter once said, it's a very hard game.

[Jordan]

It's a very hard game.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Got to hit the ball and then get it past like nine dudes.

[Jordan]

There's so many guys. Yeah, it's a dumb game.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But, but it is, but it is our dumb game.

[Jordan]

Right. And so what's great about it, right, Is even though you have the four or five best hitters on the planet on one team, right. Even they're the best hitters on the planet, still only hit the ball about once every three times. So statistically it is just as likely for them to all go 0 for 3 as it is for them to go 2 for 3 or 3 for. You know what I'm saying?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's one of the, like, it makes the. What the argument that you're making is it makes me feel like this is one of the only places where a series of games really makes absolutely necessary.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely necessary.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Basketball and football, like football doesn't. They just have one game and that's, that's, that feels right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Basketball probably doesn't need a series either.

[Jordan]

Probably not.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But yeah. The stats with baseball, Baseball, you just

[Jordan]

have no idea who's going to win on any given day. Like one of. And that's why the WBC is so great because Everybody only gets one game. It's almost completely random. The last one in 2023. Like the guy played again this year. There's a guy for, who plays for Chech for the Czech team. Right. And he's like, I don't know, just a part time guy. Like he's borderline a plumber. Right. He's an electrician. I think that's his actual job.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But borders on a plumber.

[Jordan]

Borders on a plumber. I was trying to remember, I was trying to think like close to plumbers. It's just, it's basically the same thing. But, but yeah, He's. He throws 80 and in 2023 he struck out. Show. Hey.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow.

[Jordan]

Right? Like he's, he's going to take that with him for the rest of his life. He struck out the best baseball player on the planet.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Right.

[Jordan]

But that's also because baseball is so fucking random. You might just strike out the best player on the planet on accident.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. It's just, it's going to happen.

[Jordan]

It's so weird.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's great. I'm glad you had a good time and I'm glad the Cinderella story.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Played out good.

[Jordan]

Oh, you're coming, you're coming home with that.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Come on. Like I want to live in a crazy world.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So like we're already mostly there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Let's just Let Trump say, all right,

[Jordan]

you won, you get, you get him back. Ye. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. If we. We could definitely, like people used to solve wars with the one on one. We could just switch to baseball in a heartbeat.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I think that if Trump released Maduro because Venezuela beat us in the World Baseball Classic.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It would fuck with the world's headspace in a way that would be more damaging than if he executed Maduro.

[Jordan]

I think you're right. I think that would escalate the, like, anything is possible quotient to. To infinite.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You just don't know what could happen.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It would be like my. That I came up with if I was a football coach to. I would sometimes punt on second down.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Just to confuse people.

[Jordan]

You'll never know. You'll never know.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You beat us at baseball, maybe I'll give you your dictator back.

[Jordan]

You might. I might. I might take the capa horn. I might just take it. Now I have it. Because you guys beat us at baseball. I don't know why.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I might give you New England.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I don't want it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, it's yours.

[Jordan]

Spain, Boston. People don't like me.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. We're gonna be in the past. Okay. We're gonna be talking about some of Alex's past doings.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We're gonna be talking about March 17th to 20th, 2006, Friday to a Monday. And before we get to that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So first, Leah, Obi, Baby Quinn, and Dixie the cat. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Thank you. Next, Daniel Agan is writing books about queers, potheads, villains, and a queer political and queer pothead villains. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Thank you. And to my angelic Chris, you are the best non binary partner a late blooming trans girl could ask for. And I'm sorry I made you think we were heteronormative. For the last 20 years, our time together has been the brightest spot anyone could ask for. And I look forward to our evolving future together forever and ever and always. Your favorite Pokemon, Eevee. Thank you so much. You're now policy Walk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Thank you. And we get to take in the grind in the mixture. So thank you so Much to. My last name is Jones, and I tell people I'm related to Alex Jones. Mark, you know it's true. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Charlie Sheen]

Four star. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Alex Jones]

Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bom bom bom bom bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

[Jordan]

He's a loser.

[Alex Jones]

Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So on our last episode, we listened to 316 stone cold Austin Day. In the past, Stone cold Steve Austin Day in the past, Stone cold Steve Occupied Austin, Texas day. All right, whatever.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Anyway, it was a lot of fun.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And so here we are on the 17th, and Alex starts the show, and I'm like, you should quit.

[Alex Jones]

Welcome, my friends, is the 17th day of March 2006 on this live Friday edition. And we're going to have open phones today, wide open phones for the full three hours. Any news issue, any item, any story, any solutions you wish to discuss, any questions, any comments, you disagree with me, whatever. Whatever

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

ever seems angry.

[Jordan]

This is. This is. This is what Andy. This is Andy Daly show, isn't it? This is today. We're gonna be talking about going outside, and we're not going outside. Do you want to talk about going inside? What do you want to talk about? We're here to talk about it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, but it doesn't feel. It's not as electric. No, it doesn't feel as excited.

[Jordan]

No, it's very reluctant.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Andy's character is excited about whether or not you want to go inside or outside.

[Jordan]

Yes, he is.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Alex is like, we take your calls, your solutions, whatever.

[Jordan]

I wish we had something else to do.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, it feels dead on Friday.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So he spent some of his time before getting to calls ranting about how the economy and the stock market and all that shit is fake. Everything's fake.

[Jordan]

It's fake.

[Alex Jones]

The Chicago mercantile is fake. Much of the New York Stock Exchange is fake. It's a joke. Almost our entire world now is a hoax. What we're told, what goes on, it's just most of it is a hoax. And an example of this is Bush, we now learn a couple weeks ago, signed a spending bill that was hundreds of billions of dollars and 2 billion of it that he wanted was not passed. And so he just went and got an earlier version of the bill. That never passed and signed that. And we've now learned that he was told that, sir, you're signing a bill that wasn't passed. Speaker of the House told him this in a letter. They just signed it knowing we're so dumb. They can take 2 billion bucks right in front of everybody, and she's, oh, well, 2 billion. That's what they do.

[Jordan]

So.

[Alex Jones]

So now the stealing, now the looting, now the. The. The craziness has gotten so wild that I can't even imagine what's gonna be next.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I mean, this is a great illustration of why you can't really just rely on Alex for information. He's not interested in actually conveying what's real. He just builds up stories. This is day two of him covering this story about Bush signing the Deficit Reconciliation act of 2005. And at the start of the show, he claimed that he'd looked into this and even called Congress for comment. He's acting like he's done a lot of original reporting and legwork that's backing up this coverage, but he still has a very basic detail of the story wrong. This isn't about Bush signing a bill that has $2 billion more in pork that he gets to steal. It's about Bush signing a bill that has $2 billion less in Medicare funding than the version of the bill that Democratic Representative Henry Waxman believed they were passing. At this point in 2006, there really isn't even a story. It's just a letter that Waxman has written raising this complaint. Engaging with this story within the bounds of reality would require Alex to argue that Medicare should get $2 billion more in funding, which he can't do. Bush signing a bill that didn't pass Congress is too exciting a headline to ignore. So in order to cover this, he has to create a fake version of the story to entertain the audience, which is what he's doing. And it doesn't mean anything.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think it's nice to start everything with like. Like it's a hoax, and then have a. Then have a take. Like, I feel like you can't do that. If you start with three things are hoaxes, then either you have to go into why they're hoaxes or just be like, and so is everything else. Who fucking cares?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Everything is a hoax except the $2 billion. That. That's a hoax too, right?

[Jordan]

No, no, no. That's free. From the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. That completely different. That 2 billion completely unrelated.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Hey, buddy, take a hit of this and let me blow your mind about how money's a hoax.

[Jordan]

It's a hoax. What? Fuck. But it's tied to the gold standard, right?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Gold's a hoax.

[Jordan]

Oh, no, wait, it's gold a hoax? No.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I'm gonna go audit Fort Knox though.

[Jordan]

I think that would be. Is any gold even real anymore?

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

Did they just vaporize all the gold secretly while we weren't paying attention?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Okay,

[Jordan]

don't answer that like that was a legitimate question. I wasn't gonna vaporize all the gold.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I wasn't gonna answer your. But I did get lost in thought, thinking about how I don't think I've ever touched gold. Like, I probably have at some point. Well, I mean, or whatever, sure. But like, I've never. I've never held a gold coin. I've never really.

[Jordan]

Never held a gold coin.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I don't think so.

[Jordan]

Really?

[Charlie Sheen]

Huh.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You have?

[Dan]

Rich.

[Jordan]

I mean, I think. I think I've. I think. Here's what I think happened. I think I felt. No, I guess, I mean, it was like a $10 little gold bar. Right. But that's probably just like a little lead with gold wrapped around it. Right?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Maybe.

[Jordan]

You know, so it's. I didn't really touch a gold bar. I know. It's like one of those little things.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I have experience with the chocolate coins that. Yeah, I have experience with fool's gold. Yeah, I know that. But. Yeah, I can't think of any time I've engaged because I, you know, I watch the traders.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I've never seen that.

[Jordan]

No, I've never seen. No, I've never seen anything. It does. It does make you question whether or not they're real.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I'm. Maybe they did vaporize them.

[Jordan]

No, I've never seen one in person.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. So money hoax, obviously. But Alex deals with. There's some calls and a topic comes up of countries wanting to pay for oil in different currencies in dollars.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So another point.

[Charlie Sheen]

I was looking to the power hour this morning and they were making mention that something about in order for countries to purchase oil in the Arab states, they have to pay 40% of it in the euro.

[Alex Jones]

Have you heard anything about that? Yes, they are moving to a euro controlled petrodollar and a lot of other of the Arab countries are also dumping some of their cash reserves and moving part of their reserves into the euro. Iran is moving entirely into the European Union denomination.

[Charlie Sheen]

All right, thank you very much.

[Jordan]

Thank you.

[Alex Jones]

I appreciate the call.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So it is true that some countries like Iran and Russia have requested the Countries purchasing their oil pay for it in euros. This isn't really an attack on the dollar. It's not some kind of threat to the status of the dollar as the currency that's tied to oil. It's a reflection of the US sanctions against these countries and their desire to get paid in an unsanctioned currency. Hmm. Alex is reporting the idea of Iran wanting to be paid in euros as a piece of a conspiracy where the euro is meant to replace the dollar. But in reality, Iran would prefer to use dollars if we didn't have them under heavy sanctions. The EU is more reliant on oil imports from Iran and Russia, so they can't afford to fully cut off and sanction those industries. While US banks have frozen accounts that would be involved in these companies taking payment in dollars and converting that to the local currency or investing it in other stuff that uses the dollar. Yeah, it's, it's a hassle with the US sanctions.

[Jordan]

It costs money to launder money.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It, There is a threat to the US Dollar's status as the currency that most of the world's economies use for trade. But it's not oil producing countries accepting payments in other currencies. It's the possibility that enough powerful economies could get together and form a new currency system that sidesteps the dollar because the benefit of basing their economic transactions on the dollar is outweighed by the volatility and other downsides that we present. The guy that Alex helped get elected in the present day is going far out of his way to make this more likely. Because even, you know, the BRICs, countries and shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

They understand that world economies work easier if the dollar is a go between.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

For like taking one currency and converting it to the dollar and then converting to another one as opposed to going from A to C. Yeah. It's just easier. It just is based on how we have everything set up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And they wouldn't, they wouldn't upset that balance unless there was a reason to. Like that middle point is going to fall apart.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. And if I'm, if I'm the other countries, right. And I'm looking at the United States, I'm going, woof, this is rough. Now and then I'm thinking maybe they, maybe they put it back together. Maybe they get their system back together. They, they figure stuff out. They got that. But I still know that they got another Trump in them. There's not, it's not like they got rid of all the trumps. There's another Trump somewhere. And if I'm seeing that. I'm seeing that as a risk.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. Every country has a Trump in them and a potential for that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's just we need reassurances and stability

[Dan]

to make sure that Trump can't destroy that currency.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I'm just saying I would prefer to. I would be like, hey, I'll work with these other people.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. And that could be part of a New World Order that Alex is interested in.

[Jordan]

A new New World Order. The new new okay, but not the old New world.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Not the old okay or the old

[Jordan]

old right or the new world. Wait, which one's the new old one? That was the new one. The New World Order is now the new old. Yes.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And also the old new right. It's the new old and.

[Jordan]

Oh, man, those. Those adjectives.

[Dan]

Yuck.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So Alex takes calls and he gets a call from a guy that he knows, like someone who calls in and bothers him a lot. And they argue and Alex gets mad at him and then hangs up on him. Then Alex gets a call from somebody who reassures him and makes him feel better. And Alex is like, hey, that guy who I don't like, you should call back in and argue with this nice caller.

[Jordan]

So that plays out. I like that I don't have any

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

clips of it because it's just fucking dumb and it goes way too fucking hard.

[Jordan]

Of course it does.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But yeah, Alex is like, I've got backup now. Call back in. I dare you.

[Jordan]

That's so funny.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And then the two callers yell at each other for a bit and then they. That ends. And Alex is a bit depressed. He just is in a kind of a bummed out state for the rest of the show. I think he blew up.

[Jordan]

Well, he's just doing a call in show, and then his. His call in big fight happens and now he's in kind of a post coitus call in.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, I think the serotonin's gone.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And so we end up with a call like this.

[Charlie Sheen]

I got a question for you, though.

[Alex Jones]

Is there.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is there any way I can get a signed picture of you I can post on my wall?

[Alex Jones]

You know, we don't really have any of the classical glamour shots or publicity shots that most talk show hosts have. There are a whole bunch of free photos of me all over the web. So print out the one you like and hang it on the wall. And if you want something signed from

[Charlie Sheen]

me, that's what I would really buy.

[Alex Jones]

Well, the problem is, you know, I sell my signature and not because I even want the money. It's just that it. By offer.

[Jordan]

I want three.

[Alex Jones]

I'm not trying to brag.

[Jordan]

I want the money.

[Alex Jones]

Signing thousands a week, and it would really be impossible to get any work done. It's already annoying. That. And I like bringing it, but I run out of time. I got all this serious stuff to do, and I'm sitting there signing my book, Descent into Tyranny. If you get a descendant attorney, sir, I'll sign it.

[Charlie Sheen]

It. Okay.

[Alex Jones]

And I. And you know, I'd like to tell you, if you. You know, if you mailed me a citizen rule book and asked me to sign it, I might do it. But then I'm gonna get a bunch of requests to. For people that order citizen rule books, that I sign those. And I just really. It's not a good. It's not the best way to spend my time.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Just send the guy an autograph. He's on his deathbed. Listen to this guy.

[Jordan]

It could not. It could not hurt you. You're just going into this whole spiel hurts you more than just being like.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like.

[Jordan]

Yeah, probably.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But what is the precedent I set by sending you an autograph?

[Jordan]

Don't care. Don't need one. Next time say no. This time say yes. Move on with your life. Just send him a signed picture, a couple bucks.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Maybe I'll sign a dollar for you

[Jordan]

if he wants to sase it. You know what? Get me. Get me an envelope. Put. Print out that picture. I'll sign that picture and send it right back to you. You do 99% of the work, and I'll sign it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You know, let's flip this. Alex, I want to send you an autographed picture of me. How much does that cost? Yeah, so that was just kind of sad.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Anyway, this show. This is a disaster. This episode. No good. It's Friday. He wants to go home. He's taking calls, whatever, you know, gets the two callers to fight each other for fun. And it's kind of boring. And a dud.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And so we're not. We're done with Friday.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We're taking a weekend.

[Jordan]

There's something. There's something quaint and beautiful about the radio show where the guy knows the callers because it's not big enough yet, but it is still pretty big. You know, there's something beautiful about that.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Well, he knows some of them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And is annoyed by some.

[Jordan]

Right. That's great. But the problem there is if it were good radio, it would stay that way. But it doesn't.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. I think that, you know, what you're talking about is exactly right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Like that vibe and that energy of, hey, I know this guy. I'm pissed off by him. That's what I want to hear. I want. I would. I would OD on that if Alex was providing it.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's just in practice. Whatever mood he's in and however it struck on this episode is no good.

[Jordan]

Just not the way it works.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But maybe another day that. Who knows? So we come back from the weekend. Yeah. Show up on Monday. And there's big news over. Over at Infowars now after the break

[Alex Jones]

here in a minute or two, we're going to come back and talk to Charlie Sheen for the full hour, for the rest of the hour. And he's been in over 65 major motion pictures, has a couple more coming out this year. Of course, he's the star, the. The biggest star on one of CBS's hit shows, and that's Two and a Half Men. And Charlie and I've had a chance to talk some in the last week or so, and he's just got a few issues, a few questions he wants to bring up concerning 9, 11 and what's happening here in America. So believe me, you're not going to want to miss the interview.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So we was this.

[Jordan]

This episode.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No, we've talked about Charlie Sheen being on the show before.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That was. We talked about when he destroyed his career.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's not this one.

[Jordan]

That's not this one. No. Oh, my God.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

2011.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This is in 2006.

[Jordan]

I was. I was about to freak out. I was like, holy shit.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No, this is when. This is just after Alex met Charlie.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

They talked on the phone before this.

[Dan]

And that was.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

They'd never met before that. It's very clear.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

They're just getting to know each other.

[Jordan]

Wild. You know what's weird about that? There's one coincidence about that. Right. On the way here, I was walking and I was like, I wonder if everybody's gotten over the Kanye. And he's like, apologize for being bipolar yet. Has he as Kanye or is he still committed?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I know that he did do some apologizing. I don't know how much that.

[Dan]

That.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I don't know how much people cared.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I don't know if he's been welcomed anybody's good graces or anything. I know that. I know that. He did definitely do repeat that part of the cycle.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Since the Hail Hitler.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah. We've moved on from that part.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We're in the season of. Oh, whoops.

[Jordan]

Well, the reason I thought it is because I'm like, oh, we're in post tiger blood. Right? That's where we're at in this stage.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Not in 2006.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying for Kanye. Post tiger blood.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. The, the sort of reflective part after the manic.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Outburst. The anti semitic manic.

[Jordan]

Right, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So Charlie Sheen In 2006, Just a

[Jordan]

Celebrity, top of the world.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He's on Two and a Half Men.

[Jordan]

Killing it. Highest paid guy, right?

[Dan]

I think so.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

There's only a couple of years into the show. Yeah, so I bet he was. Yeah, I bet he had a great salary.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But there was still more to come. Five more years of this come.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Alex Jones]

Mr. Sheen, of course, he comes from a activist family. Martin Sheen, who is the star of the West Wing and will has been immortalized by some of the movie roles that he has played, like Apocalypse now, has always really stood up first to corruption by the federal government, especially warmongering. And his son is somewhat of an activist. In fact, both of his sons are somewhat of activists in their own right, though not as well known for activism as their father. Well, I think that in the future you'll be seeing Charlie Sheen standing up more and more to the issues that he's concerned about, and he'll be doing some of that coming up in the next segment and talk about his hit show Two and a Half Men, which a lot of people I talked to here in the office before Mr. Sheen was going to come on really excited because. Because they're big fans of that broadcast that airs every week on cbs. So we're going to go to break, we're going to come back, we're going to talk to Mr. Sheen for the rest of the hour. And then coming up in the second and third hour, I'll get into all the government sponsored terror news, the Iraq news, the police state news here in America, what the secret police are up to, and a lot more.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So I get that Alex probably isn't getting paid to have Charlie Sheen on the show, but there's no way to describe this as anything other than part of a promotional campaign for his show. Alex is clearly promoting Two and a Half Men and talking about how the staff are excited because they like the show. That's fine if you're doing a morning radio show or just some frivolous drive time kind of thing. But Alex shouldn't be promoting cbs. He thinks that the media is controlled by the globalists. And Two and a Half Men is one of the most successful shows on tv. Be from Alex's point of view, there really isn't any way to imagine that the show would be on if it weren't doing the bidding of the globalists. This illustrates the difficult position Alex has placed him in for himself in terms of the media. His ideology requires that he demonize everything and everyone involved in making the banal shows that pacify the masses. And that's easy when none of them want to talk to you. This is an easy position to maintain when you're not really turning something down. The publicity and validation that you get from associating with celebrities, that was never really an option. So aggressively pretending you're turning it down is a great way to create an iconoclastic image. The problem arises when some celebrities want to start hanging out and all of a sudden the choice is real. If you choose to keep your distance, then you're leaving money on the table. But at least you're not a conspiracy theorist shilling for primetime CBS sitcom. Sure, if you make the other decision and decide to associate with the celebrity, then you have to come up with an excuse for how the media's still bad and controlled by the globalists. But what you're doing is cool.

[Dan]

Hmm.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The correct choice if you want to do a serious show is to not interview Charlie Sheen. There isn't some amazing insight he has into what happened on 911 because he's a famous actor. The value that he brings to Alex is that he's a very famous actor who can be presented as co signing everything Alex says. The choice to interview him reveals that Alex is in fact interested in chasing celebrity, which isn't wrong in and of itself. It's only wrong because of the way Alex presents himself and how he chooses to present this interview. Alex and his employees are supposed to be the last humans who can see through the devil's evil plans, and they work around the clock to counter him. But now we're hearing that a bunch of them love Two and a Half Men, one of the most run of the mill sitcoms on the air. I'd understand if they watched Two and a Half Men as part of their studying the globalists message so they could find predictive programming buried in the easy jokes. But that's not what Alex is saying. Alex has to glaze Sheen, CBS and Two and a Half Men because he wants to have a friendly interview with Charlie and it works out so well for him. Alex is able to insinuate himself into Charlie's life to the point where Charlie has a meltdown on Alex's show five years later that gets him fired from Two and a Half Men. Charlie descends down a very dark point from there. But Alex is able to use his proximity to the story to go on the View, exploiting his connection with Sheen to boost his profile. And it wouldn't have been possible without Alex promoting CBS back here in 2006. And just to be clear, at this point, Sumner Redstone is the head of cbs and he's a billionaire who donates to a ton of Democratic politicians, but supported Bush in the 2004 election. Election. He's everything Alex is supposed to hate.

[Jordan]

I mean, it was wartime, all right?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You have to support the wartime president and John Kerry. But, like, look, this is bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He can't be like, oh, a lot of my staff loves this. Two and a Half Men coming up tonight on cbs. Go check it out. Like, this is. That's not you, man.

[Jordan]

All right, so here's the thing, right? So the globalists, they're smart. They're not these dumb globalists. They're not going to make the number one watched show on television, the globalist mouthpiece. That would be too obvious. They make every other show on television, the globalist mouthpiece. But the number one show, they leave completely alone.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Okay, see, this seems arbitrary.

[Jordan]

It does feel that way, doesn't it? Almost like somebody would just make it up on the spot.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Also, they seem to have an amazing ability to tell what is going to be the number one.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's pretty crazy, isn't it? Yeah, they're really good at it.

[Charlie Sheen]

It.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I don't think that anyone would have predicted, like, Lost would be as big of a hit.

[Jordan]

No, that's why. That's what. But that's why they was globalist controlled because they knew it wasn't going to be as big of a hit.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I'm following you.

[Jordan]

I'm not. I literally am not following me anymore.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I lost where I was. Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I think Alex has to.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I think this is embarrassing.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Our staff loves the show.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. This is. This is very. Jimmy. You can't be. You can be Jimmy Fallon if you're Jimmy Fallon. You can't be Jimmy Fallon if you're Alex Jones. No, that's not how it works.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No. And you can't, like, just decide that because someone is willing to talk to you and be friendly with you that they're one of the good celebrities that makes the definition of who's good and bad Way too obvious and arbitrary.

[Jordan]

Who likes me versus who doesn't like me?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Oh, well. So Alex introduced. Introduces Charlie by talking about Martin Sheen. And he referenced Martin Sheen in that last clip. Yeah, but he talks more about his activism.

[Alex Jones]

And when I got a chance to talk to Charlie Sheen, I was just amazed because I've talked to a lot of other big Hollywood people. We've had a few of them on this show. And, you know, they call me up sometimes, say, hey, you're doing a great job. Or I'm. Or I'm buying 50 copies of your video. And I'm like, no, here, just take it.

[Charlie Sheen]

And.

[Alex Jones]

But.

[Jordan]

But I won't sign.

[Alex Jones]

They're not as informed, I have to be honest, as Charlie Sheen. I mean, I talked to this guy, like, an hour and a half yesterday, and he just really knows what's going on on the planet today. But that shouldn't surprise me. His father, Martin Sheen, has been on the front lines. As Mark Twain said, in the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared and scorned. But in time, when his cause succeeds, the timid join him. Because then it cost nothing to be a patriot. And, of course, has been proven right time and time again. It was his father, in the days leading up to the war, that was the most vocal spokesman in America against this disastrous conflict. Everything he said has now come true. And, of course, Charlie Sheen and his brother are also activists in their own right. And we are just incredibly honored to have Charlie Sheen on with us for the balance of this hour. Mr. Sheen, good to have you with us.

[Charlie Sheen]

Nice to be here. Alex, how are you?

[Alex Jones]

I'm. I'm great. Before we get into the really serious stuff, tell me a little bit about Two and a Half Men.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, gosh, we're thrilled. We are. At the end of our third season, we have three more shows to shoot. Most sitcoms will shoot 22 episodes, but because the network always wants more product, we do 24. So our season will continue when all the other shows have shut down. But it's going good. It's going really good. We've found ourselves sort of in or around the top 10 for. For most of this year, and we found out we got picked up for next season, which is fabulous. And what's happening is they're using our show to launch new shows, which is the sign of great confidence and trust in us sort of being the anchor of that Monday night lineup, you know? So with that, I should probably throw out a shameless plug on tonight's show. If that's all right.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, sure. Tell us about tonight's show.

[Charlie Sheen]

Tonight's show, I want to hear. It's entitled the Spit Covered Cobbler. And it's funny because the title of our show will always relate to a line of dialogue. And so it's about my brother Alan, played by John Cryer, and he's dating a girl who has no money, and so he doesn't have any money himself. I sort of support him on the show because I took him in when he went through a divorce with his kid, played by Angus Jones. Right. And so he's. He's dealing with a woman, April Bowlby, who plays Candy on the show.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So, 9 11. Right.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It definitely feels like Alex wants to talk about some stuff that at least looks like it's important for the infowar. But Charlie wants to promote the show.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

They appear to be on different pages, and it's a bit uncomfortable to hear Alex fake laugh as Charlie tells him the plot of tonight's episode in a bit more detail than we need. Maybe trim it up. Also, Alex should hate Martin Sheen. He's a guy who's participated in civil disobedience throughout his life and has been a lifelong Democrat. He's had stances that Alex could agree with, like the fact that he's been publicly quite anti abortion. But Martin Sheen always did campaign work and promotion for anti abortion Democrat candidates. His opposition to abortion didn't trick him into thinking that he had some common cause with the GOP and was part of a larger belief he had in life. Like anti war kinds of. Like, it all blended together and that's where it came from. As opposed to some religious zealot conviction that Alex has.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Alex absolutely does hate Martin Sheen and everything that he stands for, but he also knows that his brand in 2006 relies on his ability to not look like a white identity lunatic. To the folks on the left who are really mad about the Iraq war, Sheen is a big anti war activist. So Alex needs to pretend to respect him for show so the audience thinks, oh, he's. He's on our side.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah. And anytime. Anytime you get any questions or any feelings, just be like, oh, remember in Apocalypse now, tell me about Dennis Hopper? That's. That's all you got to do. You just move back to Apocalypse now and you're good.

[Dan]

You can.

[Jordan]

Yeah, right.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I think that if Alex had a real accounting of. Of what he believes and his positions, he should be like, hey, your dad sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he really should. He would also say he was pretty great in Hot Shots. Part duh.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Part duh.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's fair.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So Alex has had enough of hearing about the plot of this episode of Two and a Half Men.

[Jordan]

Haven't we all?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yes. So he wants to bring up 911 and Charlie's like, you know what, dude, I'm a fan of your work. I like you.

[Jordan]

I like 9 11.

[Alex Jones]

You have some questions about the official 911 story and we got hooked up because we both mutually have been looking into that. And I want to just, I guess start by what happened on 9 11, what your instincts told you, and really just go from there.

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, it was interesting. And let me just preface that by saying that I've been a fan of yours for a long time and I've been following you and I've been, I've seen the all of your documentaries and your research is tireless. And it's interesting because a lot of these guys, you sort of look behind the notes and you start to discover inconsistencies in a lot of the claims that they're making, which pretty much torpedoes the credibility of most of their substance. But with you, that's not the case.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So one thing that's interesting is that Charlie says he's been following Alex for years and watched his documentaries, but he doesn't say that he listens to the show. If he did, I think that the point he's making about Alex's claims being super consistent would be hard to defend at this point. Alex hasn't made Endgame or the Obama Deception, so the only documentaries he made are the Police state ones, the Bohemian Grove One, and America Destroyed by Design. These are all bullshit. But I can understand how Charlie could watch them and feel like they weren't like other conspiracy theorist trash where you look under the hood and it all just falls apart. And the reason for this is that Alex's documentaries are mostly self referential, which is a big part of why it's always been hard for me to find a way to cover them. On our show, most of it is just about creating a feeling and then telling you where that feeling should be directed. But there's no truth or falsity to any of it. For example, in one of them, Alex shows a bunch of B roll footage that he shot at an urban warfare training exercise. In it, you can see people dressed in military style outfits storming what appear to be suburban American homes. The people running this exercise would tell you that the troops are fighting in urban areas overseas and doing these exercises in approximations of the Area they're going to be in is important for training. Meanwhile, Alex shows the footage and claims that their troops training specifically to later raid suburban American homes. That's what the footage looks like. So obviously the people who would say that it's training for operations in other countries like Iraq Track must be lying in service of making his point. Alex can flash up and reference unrelated and out of context documents, some of them fake. He can play out of context clips of people saying things that reinforce his point. Like the clip we discussed a while back of a person in one of these training exercises improvising a line about being an American. And all of it is meant to build up and reinforce the feeling that Alex is selling. But there's nowhere to really go with fact check checking. Charlie can't research any of this any further because Alex is selling a feeling and reporting on people's intentions. He's telling you that the military is running these urban warfare exercises because they intend to use these tactics against the us but you could never confirm this. If you reached out to them, they'd give you the answer about overseas urban comp. Flat conflict situations and you'd be back where you started. And the reality is that Charlie did, didn't, and doesn't fact check any of these things that Alex says on these tapes. But what he's telling Alex is more that he enjoys the feelings those tapes give him. The feelings are consistent through Alex's films, which feels like the same thing as Alex having all of his facts in order. And you checked his notes and it all. It's all good. The feeling is good.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So Charlie's kind of dumb.

[Jordan]

You know, I'm thinking about this, right? And I'm thinking if, if his angle, if he had it, if his angle was this, right? I don't want them training in these situations. Not because I don't want them to have success in Iraq or because I think they're not going to use it in Iraq. I don't want them to train because I want operational advantage should they ever be sent to us. I'm training in suburban warfare to make sure that when they come here, I'll have the advantage. Right. I can't let them train in suburban warfare too.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's coherent.

[Jordan]

That is. Well, at least, I mean, it's somewhat coherent.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But, yeah, I could see that being like an.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's not what Alex is saying. But it is like, it would. It would be like, all right, we must study what they do in urban warfare in order to be prepared, like militarily for. Right, that. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right. So then the angle there would be like I kind of want them to lose it. Foreign war. I guess so I guess that's kind

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

of the point that would preclude them from doing it.

[Jordan]

It would make it very difficult. Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's also not Alex's point.

[Jordan]

No, I hope they lose. It's probably not going to be a Good point. In 2006 especially.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

His point is mostly selling those, those DVDs with sensationalizing out of context shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So Charlie, he's been doing his own research.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's always a good sign.

[Dan]

Yeah, it is.

[Jordan]

Especially if you're.

[Charlie Sheen]

This was tough for me because for the longest time I've been doing my own independent research and you know, I don't claim to be an expert in any of these fields, but just as a concerned, upstanding, tax paying American citizen, there's just, there's questions I have that I wish somebody could explain away for me. There's things that that one will, will view. And then look at the Keen Commission's official report. And it just, as I heard somebody once say, might have been you. There's holes in the story you could fly a Boeing jet through.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, there certainly is. In fact, we were talking yesterday and you said over the phone that the biggest conspiracy theory is the official story. I mean, at every point it, it's a fabrication, it's a lie. Would you elaborate on that?

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, yeah, it's like they, they want to just pigeonhole all of us into this group of conspiracy nut bags when we're not really debating things that are related to UFOs bringing down the towers or Building 7 or the Pentagon.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And so it just, you know, it just feels like, you know, there's, there's things in there that, that we're not the conspiracy conspiracy theorists on this particular issue.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You know, I will accept Charlie's point that he doesn't like the idea of everyone who doesn't believe the official story of 911 being painted as the same kind of conspiracy theorist. At this point in American history, after 911 and in the Iraq war, the media really didn't have to take the various different versions of weirdos out there all that seriously. Because social media hadn't become ubiquitous and the iPhone wasn't even released. There's a lot of nuance and difference between people who thought that the story of 911 didn't add up and people who thought like the UFOs took down the towers were an entirely different crew.

[Jordan]

They were, they were Separate back then.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But the media really couldn't treat them as all that different. They could get away with treating them all as is in the same basket back then.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's worth noting that the people who thought UFOs took the towers down didn't really exist. There might have been a few of them on message boards somewhere. But in terms of conspiracy theorists, there really were just the same two sides. There always is the side that thinks things don't add up and are seeking explanations for it, and the side that wants to blame their scapegoat group for everything, who are just gonna distort all information they find to serve that group goal. I'm interested in Charlie's. His seeming inability to articulate anything that resembles a question that he can't get an answer to. He wants answers to these questions. And throughout that whole clip, he didn't say anything specific.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He just said platitudes and, like, why won't anyone answer my questions, man?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And it seems like he's about to, on multiple occasions, say something specific.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And then he stops.

[Jordan]

Then he pulls back.

[Charlie Sheen]

Back.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. I don't know why exactly, but that was a strong feeling that I got from him.

[Jordan]

I feel, here's what I'm. Here's what I'm getting. Right. I am imagining a version of It's a Wonderful Life with Alex. And then if you, like, just really go back through and see the way that he's touched people and like, oh, man, if you weren't there, I bet things would have been so much better. I bet things would have been so much better. He's got the worst It's a Wonderful Life ever. At the end of the. He's like, that makes me want to jump. And they're like, yeah, that's why we did it. That's what we're here for.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You gotta go, dude.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's. It's so weird to look at this with the knowledge that, like, he essentially is complicit in ruining Charlie's life.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. It's so wild. It's so wild.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Charlie Sheen's a big boy. He can make his own decisions. Obviously, Alex isn't responsible for any of that, man. He played a particular role in a way that he should have known better.

[Jordan]

Or as. As a bipolar type one person. Right. In these situations, I'm not always in control, and I definitely hope I'm not meeting somebody at the time who's going to point me the way Alex does. You know, like, when you're. When you're manic you're like an arrow. Go in whatever direction as fast as possible, and if you let that guy point you, you're fucked. Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Because he wants to profit off whatever direction you're going in.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So I got this strong feeling that Charlie was, like, about to bring up specifics of the questions that he has.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But kept pulling back. Yeah. And I think that Alex got the same sense.

[Charlie Sheen]

It seems to me like, you know, 19amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I tell you, back in 2001, everybody admits that cell phones didn't work over 3,000ft. How were they working at 33,000, 32,000ft? How did Al Qaeda make NORAD stand down? Did Al Qaeda call Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco, as the Chronicle reported, and say, don't fly to New York? No. The White House did. Did Al Qaeda call Salman Rushdie and say, don't fly to New York on September 11th? No. The Times at London reported that the White House did. Did Al Qaeda run drills, CIA and Pentagon drills on the morning of 911 of hijacked jets hitting those exact same targets those exact same times, and then drills the day before and drills two weeks before?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. The answer to that would be probably not.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I think that Alex could sense the same ambivalence that I felt in that last clip. And she wasn't coming up with any specific talking points. He was saying that he had questions but wasn't being specific about anything. And I suspect that's why Alex launched into that barrage of talking points. These are supposed to be the anomalies that represent the questions, that they just can't get answers, too. This is really how Alex's rhetoric works. If you're in a conversation with someone and they hit you with that, there is no way to respond. He's referenced, like, 10 different things, some of which you probably don't know anything about. And the aggressive tone that he's taking is meant to make it clear that he's ready to defend any of these things if you push back on them, but they're all pretty hollow. And I don't count any of that as Charlie. Charlie having questions about those things. Sure, he's. He's having them projected onto him, but he didn't bring these up. Yeah, we've talked about pretty much all those points in the past. And the only thing that Charlie seems to be bringing to the table himself is that he thinks that 19amateurs would have more trouble taking over planes and that they hit too many of their targets. That's a fine concern to have, but I don't know how anyone is supposed to argue that with him. He thinks that taking over a plane is too hard for them to have pulled off, but he's not going to accept anyone who takes the position that apparently taking over a plane was easier than we wanted to believe in 2001.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He thinks they should have hit less than 75% of their targets. But what would Charlie need to hear to decide that it's possible for hijacker hijackers to have this level of accuracy?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

How are these things possible to argue?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Are these actually questions that Charlie has that no one can answer for him or are they feelings that he has that no one's been able to help reassure him about. About. I kind of think it's the latter. And that Alex knows that he can easily hijack feelings and make them seem like questions and that one of the best ways to do that is this flood of supposed anomalies that gets you off your back foot. Yeah. And makes you like, well, I can't. I don't have answers for any of those things. And they just reinforce the same feeling.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Because if your questions are. If your questions literally are like, I don't think they could hijack planes and I don't think they should hit that many targets, then what if the answers are just like, yeah, it was too easy to hijack planes and anybody who hijacks shit is going to hit somewhere between 25 and 75% of their targets. They got lucky and hit the high end. Or they could have just tripped and fallen and not hijacked any plane. It's just random. Life is chaos.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. You know, it's not. Maybe it's not entirely random in the rolling the dice sense of it, but like, yeah, they hit 25 to 75% of their targets. We got unlucky. That we live in a reality where they were at their highest.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And like, yeah, it should be harder to take over a plane.

[Jordan]

It should be.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's one of the lessons 911 certainly taught people that changes are made. But is it. Is it satisfying enough to say there were a lot of naivetes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That we operated with at early September 2001.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's not satisfying.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's not going to know.

[Jordan]

It is. It is. Like the world didn't operate that we thought it did the way we thought it did in a more unsafe way than we thought it was. Right. But Alex's Point is. Well, then what we're going to do is make it seem like the world is the least safe place in the world.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No, no, the world is entirely safe, except for all of these things that the evil people are doing.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

911 only happened because these evil people fucking did it, not because. Well, it's something that can happen in the chaos and randomness of the world.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The world is fucking so safe.

[Jordan]

It's.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

If it weren't for these fucking.

[Jordan]

For these fucking globalists. Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Silly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Anyway, I think Charlie, for the most part doesn't want to talk in specifics.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I think that's like all that Alex is doing in this interview now.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's just. It's just the more you look at stuff, especially specific incidents, specific events in or around the fateful day, it just raises a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions. And I know that a couple of years ago it was, you know, severely unpopular to discuss any of this, but it sort of feels like just in my research and in the people that I talk to and in and around my circles, it seems like the worm is turning. Because you start talking about this even with conservative Republicans and they can't really debate away some of the most obvious facts.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

What are the obvious facts?

[Jordan]

What are the obvious facts?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The worm is turned. You start talking about this stuff the fateful day. Like, he feels to me like somebody who doesn't really have anything, but he's cool.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And the only thing you're getting out of this interview is networking. Like he's just networking with Charlie. Charlie doesn't have, like, some great truth to give him about 9 11. Yeah, there's no. There's nothing that he's uncovered in his research that makes him a valuable source. The only thing is feeling associated. Alex is associated with this really, really famous rich guy. And the audience by proxy can feel associated too.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's what this interview achieves.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And Alex is. Alex is trying to make it more. He's trying to give him the smorgasbord.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yes.

[Jordan]

You pick one. I'll take any of these. You. You don't trust this. Let's talk about that. And because Charlie's not really taking the bait, which is interesting again in the context of how we know Charlie's career goes. You know, like, this is when he's like, I'm not going to take the bait.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But I think he's taking the bait and being like, I'm comfortable with the fact that this is a baited hook.

[Jordan]

He's dipping his toes in the water. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. I won't let him.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

One of the buffet options that Alex is setting out in front of him, but it's not because he's against eating.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's, I think, probably because he's like, I don't know.

[Jordan]

I don't know enough. One of these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't feel like I want to put myself out on the limb for these.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He doesn't realize that Alex is not going to be like, what? You don't know about norad.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

He could just.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Alex will. Yes. And whatever he chooses.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That's just Alex wanting to be like, get more involved, get more associated in this.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And so finally, they do kind of get to something they can. They can sink teeth into.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And that is Building seven.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Building seven got pulled, my man. Sure.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And then you've got Silverstein, the leaseholder, the owner of seven, as well as the rest of the complex. Right. On tape, on the record, saying, we've had such a terrible loss of life that day. And I made the decision that they should go ahead and pull it.

[Alex Jones]

And we gave the order and watched the building come down.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, well, Poll is the. I mean, that's his. That's his. Common to the demo world as action. And cut to the movie world.

[Alex Jones]

In fact, in the same PBS documentary narrated by Kevin Spacey, or not Kevin Space, the other guy, he comes right out and says, they cut to one of the other engineers demoing a belt building, and he says, we're getting ready to pull it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This is the kind of evidence that Alex provides. And it's not really evidence, but it looks enough like it that it can trick people in documentaries pretty easily. Larry Silverstein said that they decided to, quote, pull it in an interview about 9 11. And Alex is presenting this as proof that he gave the order to carry out the controlled demolition. Sure. The problem is that on its own, this isn't proof of anything. In context, it's pretty clear that Silverstein was talking about the decision to pull the firefighters from the building building because he's describing a conversation that he had with the fire department commander. That guy had told Silverstein that they weren't confident they could control the fire in Building seven. So when they said pull it, they were talking about getting the firefighters out and letting the fire burn out on its own.

[Jordan]

Right, right. We're trying to save people's lives instead of letting them die in part of A fire that they can't even fight.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

In order to prop up his own interpretation of what Silverstein said, Alex has some video of demolition people saying pull before they take down a building. It's a different building, and it has nothing to do with 9 11. But they use the same words, so this must mean something. Whenever someone uses the words pull it, they must be talking about controlled demolitions. We have a remarkable language where the same words can be used in many different situations. Lighted up could be used by someone turning on a lighting rig or by someone who has a joint in their hand or. Or by someone telling a group of soldiers to open fire. If you had a video of a lighting person saying that they decided to light it up, and then you played a video of a soldier saying light it up before shooting into a building, you could create the image that the lighting person was giving a kill order, but it wouldn't mean anything.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This is the same kind of game that they're playing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And I don't.

[Dan]

I don't.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's sad.

[Dan]

It's just.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Come on, guys.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it really does point out the failings of language whenever contextually, it requires so fucking much. You know, like, we're. We're playing from behind the gun. There's. There's no way to contextually defeat somebody who can just remove it at will. Like, that was how great it was before we had recorded stuff you didn't know. If somebody said that you couldn't trust anybody. Now it's on recording. Can't trust it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But now. Yeah, you have a recording, and, like, now it's. That could mean a hundred different fucking things.

[Jordan]

Yep. It's all insane.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Now we have fake recordings and deep fakes.

[Jordan]

Terrible.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Oh, there's no.

[Jordan]

You know what, Dan? It's a hoax. It's all a hoax.

[Dan]

This is.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This is what I was trying to get.

[Jordan]

It's a hoax.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The mercantile.

[Jordan]

The whole thing is a hoax.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The Chicago mercantile.

[Jordan]

Chicago Met.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So. But that was the reason that I kept that clip in and decided to discuss it was that it was something that Charlie brought up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That was a specific. That Charlie brought up. So when he has these questions that can't be answered, this isn't. This seems to be an example of one of those things.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And I'm trying to illustrate the shallowness of these questions that aren't really questions.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And so here we have another one here from the Sheen man.

[Charlie Sheen]

Let me ask you, though, how long did it take to start an investigation after I Don't know.

[Alex Jones]

Pearl harbor about a day.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay. The Titanic, it started that day. JFK started that day. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

911 started about a year later.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The investigation of all of these things started immediately in a nonspecific sense, that folks were asking questions about them and the government was trying to figure out how to respond. In order to actually look at Charlie's question, we have to just deal with the official investigation, which for 911 was the 911 Commission, which they said took too long to say start.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That Commission was established on November 27, 2002, which may feel like a long time after the actual event. However, let's look at some of the other examples that Charlie brings up. He asks Alex about Pearl harbor, and Alex says that investigation began the day later. As we know from the famous quote, Pearl harbor, that attack happened on December 7, 1941, a day that will live in infamy in Congress. The Joint Committee on the Investigation of the Pearl Harbor Attack was not established until September 6, 1945. What, four years later?

[Jordan]

It's almost like they had other things on their mind immediately.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Sure, should cut. But in fairness, in December 1941, President FDR did create a panel to investigate the attack headed by Supreme Court Justice Owen Roberts, which became the Roberts Committee mission. They directed blame at a few U.S. navy men who were derelict in their duty and raised concerns about Japanese spies, which became part of the rationale for the internment of Japanese Americans.

[Jordan]

Good stuff.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So from that information, it looks like maybe Pearl harbor was investigated much more quickly. But that's to pretend that the 911 Commission was the first investigation into 9 11.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Community activities began in February 2010. To the point is, as it relates to 9 11, as is the case for all of these tragedies, there were investigations that were launched quickly. And then as more information was gathered, a full official investigation could be carried out. Usually the preliminary ones, like the February 2002 investigation with 911 and the Roberts Commission with Pearl harbor, were focused on the question, how did this happen? Looking at intelligence or leadership failures that could have been responsible. This happens because in theory, we should know everything we need to know to carry out that investigation. It has to do with us, our troops, our readiness. Those kinds of things are easier to immediately assess. Like where are the holes here? And that's what you see in these tragedies, the immediate investigations.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You can't do a 911 Commission investigation until there is a little bit of distance.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And that's the same for every one of these examples that he lists.

[Jordan]

I mean, all of the examples that he lists, the. The main investigations were not like. Like, how would I put it? They were commissioned on the sense of like, hey, let's fucking do it. You know, they're. They're not commissioned on like, oh, why hasn't anybody done this before? They're like, we've got all of this shit. We've got all this evidence all over the place. These people have their ideas. These people have their ideas. These people. All this stuff is over there. So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna get you guys and you fucking do the whole thing. Right. That takes so much time just to get started because you don't even know how much evidence you have.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right. You don't know who you need to collect from.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's true.

[Jordan]

And you definitely don't know how you're going to discover who got here from what place if you're just starting a war.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. And like, let's even like, look at his list. One of them was the Titanic. Like 9, 11 or Pearl Harbor. Those are attacks. Yeah, Pearl Harbor. Sorry, the Titanic sunk. Yeah, like that. Obviously there needs to be an investigation of that. But it's not like it was. It was sunk by a belligerent country.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's.

[Dan]

It's.

[Jordan]

It was sunk by a belligerent drunk in an iceberg.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And those fucking time travelers.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That didn't save the ship.

[Jordan]

They were supposed to save the ship.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Fucking tunnel.

[Jordan]

They saved. They saved us from the meteor, but they can't save us from.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Doesn't make sense.

[Jordan]

It doesn't make sense.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But like comparing those two or having this list is. It reveals a little bit of the. I don't think you're. I don't think your point is serious.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

This is a meme conspiracy. This is like a post that you'd see that's supposed to blow people's minds, but there isn't the depth to it.

[Jordan]

There is. There is no situation where that, like, that is just a structure that you cannot trust inherently. Like, when did this start? The next day. I don't believe you. I already don't believe you.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Right.

[Jordan]

You answered two people quick. The next day is impossible. Who the fuck who got to work? When did they show up?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

9:00am the exchange between them isn't meant to reflect reality. And when investigation started, it's a call and response church kind of feeling.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Between the two of them, it's affirmation of faith.

[Jordan]

We're just going to believe This I don't need any more information.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yep. So what they do want. No more information.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But an independent investigation.

[Jordan]

Everybody loves a good.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We got to get to the bottom.

[Jordan]

Independent.

[Alex Jones]

More than half of Americans in major polls want some type of real investigation. What would you like to see?

[Charlie Sheen]

I would like to see the same thing. I think it's got to be, it's got to be hit by if this is possible, some neutral investigative committee. I don't know exactly how to establish that.

[Alex Jones]

Well, the problem is you would know

[Charlie Sheen]

more about that than I would.

[Alex Jones]

Well, the problem is they tried to again appoint Henry Kissinger and they called him into independent. It was like appointing one of Janet Reno's deputies to investigate Waco and calling it independent. What would be independent? Maybe maybe just randomly pick 20 engineers or something and then and draft them for a committee and then make sure no one tried to intimidate the witnesses. I mean maybe just a jury of the peers.

[Charlie Sheen]

What if we use like retired political foreign nationals. What if we use experts that don't have any ties whatsoever clever to this administration?

[Alex Jones]

Well, Michael Meer, a number three in the Blair government says that he believes the government may be behind it and

[Jordan]

then we have, well, let's hire him,

[Alex Jones]

the former German defense minister saying the same thing. So. And a bunch of other Russian and other foreign leaders are saying the same thing. Over 80% of the French public in major polls say our government did it. So boy, we got foreigners to do it. I think they come to the same conclusion.

[Jordan]

We have foreigners.

[Charlie Sheen]

But I'm just saying as far as people that don't have a stake or don't have an interest or don't, you know, aren't control.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm just saying that they would come to the same conclusion.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, that's stupid.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But it's amazing how Alex's mind works. They're talking about how they could put together a neutral unbiased committee to investigate 9 11. And all of the people Alex can come up with to include are people who agree with his conclusion already the

[Jordan]

most biased people in a way.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He doesn't want an unbiased committee. He wants a committee that's pre biased towards his conclusion and that's actually really key to understanding him. An actually unbiased neutral jury might not always convict Alex, but they would never be persuaded by the arguments he'd be able to make in a formal setting. An actually unbiased neutral committee wouldn't reach the conclusion that hey, maybe loose change figured 911 out.

[Jordan]

Nailed it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

That conclusion is only coming from a rigged, highly biased committee, which is what Alex actually wants. He just insists on calling it unbiased because it sounds bad.

[Charlie Sheen]

Better.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And he's idiot.

[Jordan]

Yeah. God, I couldn't get this image out of my head whenever he was like, oh, we should get a bunch of foreign nationals to do it who have. No. I had this, like. It's like an oceans movie. I had this moment where Osama bin Laden turns around and, like, removes his mustache. And you're like, it was him and he's leading the commission. God, that'd be great.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. I mean, by.

[Jordan]

I mean, it wouldn't be great to have Osama leading the investigation. No, but it would be a very funny image.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And don't get me wrong, I don't think Kissinger is great either.

[Jordan]

No, I agree.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I think these are both bad options.

[Jordan]

Bad dudes.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But I love the idea that Alex, the fucking Americana guy is like, let's get. Yeah. You know what, Charlie Sheen, actor, You have made a wonderful point about foreign nationals deciding what happened with our government.

[Jordan]

I don't think you can sincerely want foreign nationals to do an investigation if you also call them foreigners in the same true sentence.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And so Charlie's idea is retired. Like, public servants of foreign countries.

[Jordan]

People who are just servants of all. Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And Alex is. He's like, okay, I know a few of them. And then he remembers a trivia piece that 80% of the French believe that 911 was an inside job. So what now we just want a jury of the French?

[Jordan]

Yeah, let's just let the French. The French public, they gave us the Statue of Liberty, and now they're going to free us from 911 conspiracy. Thank you. The French.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The fun thing is just like, thoughts like that reveal how non sequitur his. His thinking is. It's.

[Jordan]

It's.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Do you want. You don't want the fucking French?

[Jordan]

I don't even know how you could get to a point where you're like, hey, 80% of the French think it's an inside job as a. As support for anything.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, anything. Except for cheese.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

You don't like cheese, though.

[Jordan]

I'm not. I'm not a cheese guy. I. To try dried cheese in Paris.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, let's not get into it. So Alex, the first hour, is interviewing Charlie Sheen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And it's basically as I've described. He's ambivalent to take responsibility for saying too much stuff, but also he's on board. He likes Alex. He is into these conspiracy leanings. In a way that is so sadly unaware of how much of a consequence this will have. I know, but. Yeah. You shouldn't do this in the first hour.

[Jordan]

It is, it is so strange. It's like, it's like, right, you're. You're. You're seeing somebody on that street over there, Right. And you just know, because five years later they get hit by a bus. You know that you can see a five year from now bus come and you're like, you just got to move out of the way, man. But there's nothing you can do.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Much like the people from the time tunnel on the Titanic. You can do nothing.

[Jordan]

You can't do anything to change the past.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Unless you were already supposed to have done that.

[Dan]

It sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Anyway, you shouldn't do this in the first hour because what do you do for the rest of the show?

[Jordan]

Three hours of calling. Whatever, whatever.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So the second hour, Alex is. I mean, he's riding high on the fact. Fact that he interviewed Charlie Sheen, but also like everything feels everything's down.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But it turns out some of their stations didn't air all of it.

[Alex Jones]

Well, you know what happened? Our AM&FM conspiracy, they listen off of the satellites, were able to hear the whole Charlie sheen interview. But 15 minutes towards the end of the interview, about 45 after last hour, all of the streams and I mean, there are a bunch of streams. I've got servers. The network has servers. It just maxed out and crashed. So what I'm going to do is that interview so important as more and more prominent people go public. I'm just going to air that interview again next hour. We're getting a lot of requests and phones are ringing off the hook of the network.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. They're just going to air it again in the third hour.

[Jordan]

Amazing. Yep, that's. That's the. God, that's the type of shit that only being your own bosses, that's only available to you.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. You know, and it also is like a reflection of. We had a famous guy on, like. I don't think it's a terrible interview, but it's also not an interview that illuminates anything.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It doesn't bring to light any new information. It is just like, we got fucking Charlie Sheen on the show and that's why it's re aired. That's why people are drawn to it and why Alex wants to make the most of it. Not because, like we're actually breaking through anything.

[Jordan]

It is, it is. I mean, ironically, it's like if the doors open with Break on through and then did Break on through as an encore. You know, it's like, you know why? You know why? Yeah, yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So he plays it in the third hour, and the second hour is kind of like, waiting for that to happen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But Alex does say something that got me excited. Excited?

[Alex Jones]

I snuck out last night after work and saw V for Vendetta. My wife here.

[Jordan]

Oh, my gosh.

[Alex Jones]

I'm gonna be caught by my own mouth. But I snuck off and watched it last night, and it was. It was good. People said it was Illuminati and that. And I'd read some of the different synopses that were out there about it. I'd say those were dishonest. I mean, I. I have questions about the Matrix. I have questions about some of the Illuminati things that are in it.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

Especially in the. In the third one.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

What is it? Matrix, Revolutions or Revelations? I forget. But the Wachowski brothers with V for Vendetta. I know why the media is attacking it. I mean, it shows the government carrying out terror attacks with a bird flu type weapon to get martial law to go after their political enemies and to sell the pharmaceutical. That is the cure for it, which is what's happening in our real world.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So I got excited because it's like, okay, another fucking shot at a movie review.

[Jordan]

Let's do it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

We're going to fucking get V for. He just saw V for Vendetta last night. That's like. That's earthquakes. Levels of your career.

[Jordan]

That is what we are here for.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He might as well have a tattoo of a Guy Fawkes mask.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

It's this. That movie is important.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

He does not really talk much more about.

[Jordan]

Damn it.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I'm hoping that maybe it's coming. Maybe the V for Vendetta review is coming outside of.

[Dan]

Outside of this, like, little bit of stray.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Hey, it's. It's got good messages in the prologue to how the movie sets up the world that it exists.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I was really kind of hoping. Because I don't really remember. Like, I was trying to remember what exactly happens, and now I don't have the full thinking. You know, I've got the vibe of V for Vendetta.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Natalie Portman. I've got Hugo Weaving shaving her head

[Jordan]

and Stephen Fry is the show host who.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Who's gay.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And he has a bolt of courage at the end. And then they just murder him.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. And then, yeah. Natalie Portman becomes Guy Fawkes acolytes and they blow up the.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

The powder plot.

[Jordan]

Remember the mem.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And then there's an investigation. I should rewatch it. And I would have. If Alex reviewed it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So I make this promise to you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

To the American people. If he reviews it, I will rewatch it.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I'll probably rewatch it anyway.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Probably.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I. Alex reviewing it will trigger a rewatch.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right. For sure.

[Dan]

Yeah. God.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Anyway, that's. He just replays the chart.

[Jordan]

We've had so many. So many problems with him just following through on a movie review.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Well, two in the last two. 2006 episodes.

[Jordan]

Right. That's brutal.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Scanner Darkly and V for Vendetta. We're owed two.

[Jordan]

Two that are important.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

High up on the list.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

And I think have a large potential for him to misread in interesting ways.

[Jordan]

Right. I know more about oblivion from him.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yes.

[Jordan]

But oblivion doesn't mean shit.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No.

[Jordan]

But Scanner Darkly and V for Vendetta, huge on the list.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. Oblivion and Elysium.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Like, doesn't mean. Not really.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

So I will pray that we get this V for Vendetta review.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

But I can't promise anything. I am but a man.

[Jordan]

You can't promise it?

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

No.

[Jordan]

No, you can't.

[Dan]

I wish I had a V for

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Vendetta quote that I could twist into being about whether or not you get the review that you want.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

I was waiting for you, Mr. Review.

[Jordan]

Oh, God know. I would bet. Okay, here's what I bet. I bet you could find out what episode he does a review of V for Vendetta on somewhere.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But I don't know which one it will be, which year it is. No, but it could be at any time.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah, but that's cheating. I don't want to. I don't want to cheapen this. That's what I want to find it accidentally. Much like we did with this Charlie Sheen interview.

[Jordan]

That's what. But that's what I'm saying about this review view. Right. Is that it could really come, like two years from now.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

We don't know.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's a thief in the night when those movie reviews finally come.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. And none of us are supposed to know.

[Jordan]

No. We see through.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yeah. So we'll be back hopefully with movie time. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's Knowledge Fight dot com.

[Neom Leomdeasy X Clark]

Yep. We'll be back. But until then. I'm Neom leomdeasy X Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the Sex Robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.