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So right now, the thing that I'm doing for distraction is like, I'm trying my hardest to even becoming aware of when you wanna pick up your phone and going, why am I picking this up right now? Is this for like a quick dopamine hit because you feel bad about this thing is hard right now. I really suck in this arena. So I'm gonna get a quick dopamine hit from something I can go see or I'm good at or go look at something. And it's so crazy to see the awareness of why I'm doing the things. And that's helping me a lot right now. Stop with distraction. Because it's one thing to say, don't do that. Don't pick up your phone. Right? You still pick up your phone. There's not like stuff forever. Yeah, I'm just like, whatever. But when you really look at why you're doing it, that's a whole other level of like, oh, like, that's really, that's interesting.
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I'm Michael Chernow and this is the Creatures of Habit podcast. Our habits will make us or break us. It's just that simple. I've lived on both sides of the tracks and have learned that the decisions we make on a consistent, consistent basis truly define who we are as human beings. On this show, I will be interviewing some of the most inspiring, motivating and high performing humans I've encountered to share their daily habits, routines and rituals that help them stay on top of their game and ultimately happy. So sit back, relax and pay attention because what you hear over the next 30 to 45 minutes could potentially change your. Your life. Let's go. What up, guys? Welcome back to the Creatures of Habit podcast. I'm in Los Angeles again and what happens when I come to la? I get to rent the studio that I love working out at Operation Podcast. And I line up some guests that I'm really interested to speak to while I'm out here. It's hard for me to get people from California to want to fly to New York to do a podcast. So I come to them. And so today I'm sitting across the table from Lori Harder. I want to start off by saying she is a three time fitness world champion. She is. She's done a bunch of fitness magazine covers. So she really kind of got her started in the world of fitness, which is so aligned with me. Right. Because that's where everything started for me as well, when my life started to change. But Lori is an unbelievable entrepreneur. She's founded a number of Companies. She's currently the CEO of Glocee, which is a beauty hydration company. She is a best selling author. A Tribe Called Bliss is the name of her book. She is a keynote speaker and she's just done so many incredible things and her podcast, Earn your Happy is like a number one podcast. So I'm trying to follow in her footsteps on the podcast game, but I'm really, really excited to be able to talk to Lori just about her habits, rituals and routines, of course, but just like where she's at and how she started and how we ended up crossing paths on this podcast. So ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, people of all ages, shapes and sizes, let's get going. Lori, welcome.
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I'm so excited to be here. Isn't it just like always the weirdest thing to hear your intros? I'm like, could you lower the bar? Like, let's just, let's start low so then, you know, we can over deliver.
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But you know, like when I was looking into your bio and sort of kind of stalking your social media, I'm just like, you're, you really, you're killing it. And, and it's, and it's so inspiring, you know, like you have this energy and the energy was like real when I saw you, but you just have this energy and a presence that I could feel through like a device. So I just think whatever you're doing, I really want to share it with the audience.
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Oh my gosh, that is so nice. Can we always share things like this? Isn't it important though, like, because from the outside, like you're killing it. You may not feel that way, but you are as well. Like we need to, we need to tell each other.
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So, you know, I think that's a, that's a. You bring up a point that I don't talk about enough, but I think it's so important to set to talk about. I've been in recovery for a long time. A little over 20 years. I got sober. And I remember people would walk up to me in those early days and they would say, hey, like, it's so amazing to see how you're changing, you know, and like I never, like, I knew that I wasn't using and drinking anymore, you know, and that was obviously a big thing. But like, I didn't feel like I was like changing. I didn't feel like I looked different. I like. And every time somebody would say that to me, it would feel so good. And so that became like a huge part of my service where especially in the restaurant business, where I spent a lot of years where I would just stop and I'd look someone in the eye for 5, 10 seconds, and I just say, thank you. You're killing it. Like, you're really killing it, you know, like. And you look awesome today, you know? And, like, that little piece is, like, cost me nothing. And could be the difference of somebody's day being awesome or not, you know?
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Totally. I love that. There's a saying that I learned actually, from, like, the hair industry, but it's to be a day maker. Like, it takes such a little amount of energy to make someone's day. Like, if you just left your house every day and said, how could I be a day maker for everybody that I came in contact with? And it is the fastest way to snap out of, like. Cause I don't know about you, but I can get in my own head and your own problems and all these different things that make you feel kind of crappy or tired or lethargic or whatever. And it's. That's, like, a phrase that I always refer to to snap myself out of it.
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Totally. And one. I think to. To. To piggyback on that. I do believe that being of service does absolutely take us not only out of our head, but, like. But increases our gratification for life, right?
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Totally.
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When we say when we can be of service to somebody else and then ultimately feel a sense of, like, potentially that person is appreciating what we're doing, it's just sort of this, like, awesome flywheel.
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Right.
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And so one thing that I actually learned from a friend about five, six years ago, he said that every single day, he takes five minutes and he types up a text message generically. Not specifically to any one person, but just, like, a really nice message saying, hey, you know, just wanted to shoot you a note. Been thinking about you. I hope you're awesome. I hope everything is happening in your life that. That you're. That you'd wish for or something, you know, like that.
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Yeah.
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And then he goes through his phone, he opens up his contacts, and he just scrolls, and he just scrolls, and he just scrolls, and then he stops.
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Yeah. That's awesome. I love it.
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And then he'll stop on someone, and he'll send out anywhere from that message, you know, anyone from. You know, any. Anywhere from three to five people, and he'll just send it out. Especially if that person is, like, someone that means something to him. And he was like. And I'm. I'm. I'm doing it because I Want to. And. And it's really me being of service, even though it's random. But he says, you know, I'll get a text message, you know, three to five times throughout the day from people replying to me and saying, hey, thank you so much. Like, that's awesome. And it's just, like, ways to just, like, be of service, but also get, like, boomerang back. Yeah, you know, it's like. It's so. Anyway, so Creatures that have a podcast is really here to talk about how people sort of live their life through potentially decisions that they make specifically in a morning routine or in an evening routine or just habits that they have implemented into their lives that they believe have helped shape them and make them a better person. A day at a time.
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Love that.
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So I, you know, outside of, you know, just speaking about your story, I actually want to hear about, like, this, the beauty hydration business, because I think that that's so interesting. Drinking for beauty. I just like that it sounds so easy and convenient. Like, I want to drink and look better. But I would just love to kick off. Do you have a morning routine?
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I do, but it's always flexible. But there are some things that have always stayed the same. So I always drink coffee. I know some people are very anti coffee. I just think it makes me better.
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I wouldn't disagree.
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I love coffee. So I wake up in the morning, we have our coffee. I am married. I've been married for. We just celebrated our 19th anniversary. So it's kind of like he's been a part of my life longer than I at this point, pretty much that I've been alive. So we wake up, we have our coffee together. I like to read in the morning or I listen to something. So something to just get me out of my head. Because I wake up fairly anxious. Like, no matter what I do, it's like, I think that that is a gift for me. Actually, I've started looking at that instead of going, why does this happen? Why do I wake up thinking of my to do list? Why do I wake up anxious and my husband's just, like, happy all the time? Because I think it's a gift that I love to help people with this. And if I get too far out of touch with it, I don't get to help people in the way that I really want to. So I've decided to look at it that way. It works great for me. So I've instilled a lot of routines that help me with that. So in the morning, I like to listen to something that's positive from somebody who's in, you know, a higher vibe than me.
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Are you. Are you, like, can you give us some examples of things that you like to listen to?
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Like, right now, I'm on a. I actually am on a David Guillaume Kabbalah kick. I just started it, just started learning about it. And that's been really cool because I've been seeing how that's such a segue for everything I've learned. It's kind of just tying in everything I've learned and making it feel like very tangible. So I'm loving learning tangible things for what I'm working through right now, which is always kind of anxiety. And I'm running a new company that makes me feel like I don't know what I'm doing at all. So it's helping me work through all of that. So I always love listening to that. The next thing is, Chris and I have gone on a walk as long as I can. So when we got married, we got a golden doodle right away. And I don't know if you know about the doodle breed, but they typically are pretty, like, wild. They have a lot of energy. So we started walking not only because we loved walking, but we really started walking because this dog needed to burn off its energy. So we were walking three miles in the morning, three miles at night. We ended up loving it so much that we're like, we want to keep this. Because I can do this whole podcast just on walking and the things that you can do during it that will absolutely change your whole life. Like, I love.
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I definitely want to hear about that.
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I can't even tell you enough for relationships as well, like life changing. And so we'll go on that three mile walk. And on the three mile walk, we do something called the Power 9. And it is three things that you are grateful for, three things that you're excited about, and three things you're manifesting. And so what the Power 9 has done for us, even for our relationship, is I always know what is going on with him. I always know what he's excited about. I always know what he looked at as a gratitude that day. I feel appreciated by him every single day. Cause I typically hit that list. And now you try to, you know, as a partner as well. And then at the end of the day, we try to always bookend. I know people are like, oh, I can't go for a walk. This, that, the other thing. Look, I get that for sure. But also, I lived in Minnesota and Wisconsin for A very long time. And we would put ski goggles on and walk in like sub zero weather even when we're tired, even when we don't feel like it. Because I know that that's gonna give me a whole new second part of the day in the evening. And I also know that it's going to be the place that I get to kind of work everything out and leave everything and process through everything. So I believe that when we process through all those things frequently like that it's, it's like you get a fresh start every single day, if not the next hour or two hours. So it's been really life changing for me, especially for someone who runs a little bit more anxious. Wow.
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I am inspired by, by the three mile walk in the morning and the three mile walk in the evening. I'm thinking to myself like I have, I want to go home and implement that with my wife. I've got to figure out how to get the kids to want to do that.
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I mean even one and a half miles, two miles, you'll. You'll still hit that spot, that sweet spot.
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Yeah. Because I think that just inspiring the boys too to just want to go on a walk in the morning is. And also after dinner. Do you do it after dinner?
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Sometimes before we, we're typically before dinner is when we do it and we eat a little bit later. We're like 7 or PM eaters. But after dinner is obviously amazing. But the thing that's such a cool gift especially for children is now I like can't wait for my walk on a stressful day because I know that I have a way of dealing with it. And it's like you truly get a re. You get to hit the reset button and there are days where three miles just isn't gonna cut it. And if we can go longer, sometimes I'm like, could we just, could we like go four miles? Could we go five like today's. And that doesn't happen very often, but every few months it's like you walk out. Like I really believe that you can walk out. Majority of life's problems like with someone.
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I've got to tell you, like, I am so passionate about walking.
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Same.
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I am so passionate about walking. I have also like rucking has become a big part of my life.
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Have you read the Michael Easter book?
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I have.
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It's life changing. I read it every year.
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I love that.
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Once a year.
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I love that guy and I love that book. Yeah, real game changing book.
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Totally the comfort crisis, everyone.
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Yeah, great book. Just like the. You. You can imagine what the premise of the book is just by the title, of course, but, you know, he's basically giving us all sorts of reasons why comfort is not what we're. What we should be gunning for. Yeah, totally. Which I'm. I'm absolutely co sign. But walking has been, you know, people don't really consider walking like a form of exercise because they're just like, well, it's just walking. But. But in actuality, it's not only a form of physical exercise, but for me, it's become a massive, massive help in my mental exercise, for sure. It's just like, especially if I'm on a walk alone, where I'm left to like, think, you know, but so, so, so helpful there. For me, walking is like, very. Has been super impactful in my life. So you guys take that walk with your dogs and then you get home and you just start packing it up for work?
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Yeah, typically, yes, but always. We're always trying to make room for that walk whenever we possibly can. There are definitely days that we have missed or, you know, drive up to LA in traffic. I'm gonna get my evening walk though, for sure. But I just. It's such a thing that I rely on now because it just, it helps regulate so much of your day, how you're thinking, how you frame things, especially doing the Power 9 on it. And you guys, if you don't have a partner, you can text your Power 9 to a friend, you can voice note it to somebody, you can find somebody that you can do this with. You can journal it in the morning, you know, before you go out on your walk. But the. I think the Power 9 is really powerful for me too, because there are so many times I forget what I even want. Like, I forget what my focus is. I'm like, what do I want with this company? Because I'm like, in the inertia of, like, just survive some days and just try to figure it out. Then I'm like, oh, yeah. What I want to manifest with this company is like an incredible community and a place for people to remember that their dreams can come true too. Oh, that's right. Okay, so what else I want to, you know, it's just a reconnection back to what you want to do. And it helps you redirect your focus in your brain. Otherwise, you do it is. We're human. We literally get caught up in the most basic, like, irritations of your life. And it can, you know, you can be living this dream life and you totally Forget, because you're. You're just focusing on what feels irritating that day.
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I think two things that I want to. I want to respond to. One is I love the Power 9. And I think the Power 9 is I do a version of Power 9 at night with the kids and the wife. We call it Rosebud, Thorn and Seed. So we all kind of go around the table. Rose is what happened that was great today. Thorn is what wasn't so awesome.
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Yeah.
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But it's something that we're looking forward to. And Seed is how we have been able to help someone today. Oh, I love that. And I think it's so important. And I also love that you kind of start your day with it, because realistically, if you're not, like, an avid journaler. Right.
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Yeah.
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And most people aren't. Let's just be real here. I tried to.
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It's just so spiraling.
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You know what the truth is, is that, like, when I'm in it and doing it, I'm like, this is awesome. But realistically, it is typically the first thing to go for me. Like, if I'm, you know, it just is same. But we rarely, like, take the time to reflect on, like, what is. What happened today or what I'm grateful for today. Specifically today. Not just in life, you know, So I really do think, like, figuring out a way to actually just, like, think about reflecting on the things that are currently happening. You know, there are. There are times, too, like, in the business. I also have a business in a similar arena. And like, sometimes I'm like, oh, wait, our mission. Oh, that's right. That's our mission.
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Oh, that's right, that thing.
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Yeah. Like, if you don't. If you don't say it often and see it often, sometimes you're like, wait. Oh, wait. Oh, wait a second. And, you know, I also love that you said, you know, that you're starting this company, and sometimes you feel like you just don't know what you're doing. And I think the general perception from entrepreneurs and successful people, or about entrepreneurs and successful people, is that, like, oh, yeah, they just. They just. They just are good at these things.
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Oh, God.
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And then, you know, like, I always say, by the way, like, I've. I've launched this is my, like, 14th business. Between the restaurants and another company, every single time I'm like, michael, dude, like, isn't this supposed to get easier? Like, aren't you supposed to feel a little bit more like, you know what you're doing here, dude? Like, and every time I'M like, it's like, I believe that we wing it most of the time.
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Totally.
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You know, and of course, you get better at finding great people to surround yourself with. Like, what would you say your greatest skill set in creating business is if you had to think about one piece of the puzzle that you've been able to do well and feel confident in, even though sometimes it feels like, you know, there's a roller coaster going on around you. Like, what would that thing be?
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Definitely asking and surrounding myself with people way smarter than me. I mean, connecting with people has been a superpower, but that wasn't a superpower. I just want to clarify. Like, that was absolutely my weakest spot was connecting with people. Because I just. I've already told you, the theme of this is like, I ran anxious, and I grew up in a small town. I was homeschooled through high school. I didn't have, like, this group of friends. I ended up leaving, you know, my religion when I was 18. So I really left everyone, like, left everyone I'd ever known to not have anyone on the other side to think like, oh, I can do this on my own. Like, I don't need all these people. And you can't. I'll just answer that for everybody right now. You can't. It's hard. It's depressing. The whole purpose of life, I think, is to connect with other humans and to create meaning with that. So I really worked hard on connecting, and I think in business, that's a superpower, because if you don't have the answer, someone else does and someone else has done it. And so, yeah, I think that these are skill sets that people can also create for themselves.
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I think that's a great point, because I also feel I have a very similar answer to that question, which is connecting with humans at scale is something that I really do believe is my superpower, and I love to do that. Can you give a couple of. Just because you said it's a skill that you believe can. Can be honed and developed, are there a few things that you had to remind yourself of while you were developing that skill? Now being your greatest skill that you can distinctly remember being like, okay, so this is actually moving the needle on this thing for me.
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In the beginning, I think when we think of connecting with people, especially in terms of if you have a business, right, because sometimes we can be like, I need to connect with people. They said, I need to connect to make my business grow. It can almost make your focal point very selfish. Like, okay, I'm connecting to have this person help me further my business. And pretty early on, thank God, I learned from a lot of different mentors that instead of, you know, entering the room, there's a saying entering a room and saying, oh, here I am. It's entering a room and going, oh, there you are, and how can I help you? And I think that has been really powerful of learning the importance of adding value to people. And I know that people have heard this before, but I think the adding value game is understanding that it's a long game no matter what. And also sometimes we have these expectations. Like, if I came on this show and I was like, oh, I'm gonna add so much value to him because I want him to do this for me, right? We have this expectation that's never gonna work out for you. But if we add value for the sheer fact that I believe universally it will come back to you no matter what. But also just to do it and start to learn to enjoy the process of adding value. And what happens is that will end up coming back to you because they'll be like, oh, that person is. You know, they're always so helpful, or they aren't necessarily always thinking of themselves, or they always lead with value. They're always trying to connect me to somebody great or whatever that looks like. So that's one of the ways that I think going into anything, it's like, we want the fast answer. But it's the long game of learning to add value, to connect with other people. Like, always thinking, what is it that. Like, what is it that they want? Okay, let's look at their business. Sometimes you don't even have to ask them. Because sometimes asking someone who's doing big things, it can actually be more of a drain for that person to try to think of a way for you to help them. Where I think something that, you know, I've always gone in and done is go, okay, you know, I have. I have a friend right now. Her name is Amy Porterfield. Maybe some of you guys know her. Cause she does courses. Like, she's really big in the course world. She's launching her. Her big, like, course product for the year. So right now I'm going, okay, what does Amy need? Like, how. How can I help her? Like, how could I share this? Where does she want them directed? Let me go do a little of my homework on my own. Let's see if she has a podcast out with her link in it. Like, how can I go and get this done for her? And so I'll keep a running list of different people on my phone. Like, I'll always have, you know, five to 10 people that are just top of mind that I really want to add value to because they've added a lot of value to me. And maybe you go in once a week. Brendan Burchard has something called Finisher Fridays, where he's got, like, a similar list. And on Fridays, he literally goes through and asks if he can help and add value to different people. Like, it's on his schedule every Friday. And so if you want to know how these people are doing it that you look at who are so well connected, who have incredible relationships, it's in their schedule. It's a part of their life. It's a ritual, it's a routine. It's like they have it down to a science and so well thought out that it's such an intention in their life. They're giving it so much energy, so it can't help but give that energy back to them.
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You know, it's like, I'm listening to you and it's so interesting, like, the things that come to mind for me, because I think that's an unbelievable piece of advice, right? Like, as a founder of a digital wellness brand, I can only imagine, because I know what comes through my inbox. The amount of pitches you get from some new, you know, digital product that's going to help you 4x your ROAS tomorrow.
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Totally.
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How many of them? Right?
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Yeah.
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Or, hey, I'm a. I'm a video editor. Like, are you looking for a way to 10x your engagement? I've. I've witnessed kind of like this shift where instead of. And then I kind of started seeing people be like, hey, I made a zoom a loom video for you to show you. And now I've started to get, like, a few emails from people that have been like, hey, I made this video for you. I edited all the content, I put in all the captions. It's in my style. I don't know if you'd like it, but here it is. Feel free to use it and post it. And that is like, this person is not, like, asking for what I need. This person isn't telling me that they're gonna make. They're gonna forex my roas tomorrow. This person took time, like, somehow some way, like, pinpointed me as a target, said, I want to give this guy. I want business from this guy, but I'm gonna give him a very, very easy to implement thing for him to see how I'm Adding value in his life. It's. He's not gonna have to think about it. He's. He's. He's gonna just. If he wants it, he's gonna try it, and if he doesn't try it, I'm gonna. I'm just gonna back off.
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Yeah.
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That is so, like, I love having like, a. A list of people that you see yourself being at the table with and saying, you know what?
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Instead of putting it that way.
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Yeah. Instead of just wanting to be at the table with these people and wanting them to help increase my. My career happiness, you know, because maybe it's just about your. Your wellness or your happiness, like, intentionally creating an opportunity for them to feel like you've put some work in to actually add value, you know?
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Totally.
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Like, even if you were to say to someone, hey, you know, Gary. Gary Vaynerchuk is a buddy of mine. Right. And he's big on adding value to.
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People'S lives, of course.
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And he says, you know. Yeah. You know, you might think that you wanting to come work for me for free is going to change my. Is going to make my life easier.
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Yeah.
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As a matter of fact, like, thank you so much. I mean, that's great. I wouldn't want you to work for free, but by the way, like, finding a job for you is not easy.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Like, just like, oh, yeah. Being like, oh, yeah. Like, these 150 kids that just graduated college want to come work for me for free now. Like, what? Like, you know, like, it's work trying to figure out where to put them.
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Totally.
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You know, so, like, not every way we think about it is. Is. Is viable, but I do think that that is a great strategy and a great tool to be able to say, hey, choose, like, four to six people that you see yourself wanting to add value for. And then, like. Like you said, like, looking at the link and just being. And then send it to them and say, hey, like, I just. I thought that this could be helpful for you. It's gonna require no work on your end. I've got the link attached here. Like, I'm gonna share it with my audience. I just wanted to make sure that you were cool with this. Boom. Done.
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Yeah. And, like, no expectation on that. Cause I swear to God, when you send it with an expectation, they can feel it. Like, it carries an energy. So I even try to, like, take a second to, like, pause and be like, okay, maybe I even pray over an email that I'm sending or whatever. Like, let this be like, Free of any energetic like that. I'm. That come when you're a human. Because it does. Like, that was me in the beginning, right? You, you sometimes you do these things with this expectation of, okay, well, I'm trying to get on this person's radar because it could be great for if I want a book deal down the road, or it could be great because I want. Oh, I want to speak on our stage. And you know, you fire off these messages from the intention of like, see me. See me. Totally did that for years. Because that's pretty normal in the beginning when you're not. When you don't learn this stuff, when you're not taught, when you, you think you see what you're seeing, but you don't really understand how that, how this like, I guess the game of connection, and I don't even want to call it a game, but it. But essentially is something that you kind of have to learn and understand. And so I think working. One of the biggest things is if you're hearing this right now and you know what you want to do, like just when you're doing it, when you're sending the email, when you're posting the link, when you're doing the thing, like doing it out of the sheer fact that you really want to help people. And you know, you hope someday people help you like this. And so that's how you want to show up. Like, this is the person that you want to be. And yes, it's totally okay to be like, yes, this would be awesome if things came my way too. But to fall in love with that process and just trust that that's just that energetically, it will boomerang. It will boomerang back. It's the text messages, right? It's going to boomerang back to you eventually. But if it doesn't, it doesn't. If it doesn't, it doesn't. And that's a great lesson too, right? To like, completely let go of giving with an expectation. And you know, I was just sitting in a mastermind with some girlfriends that created together. And you know, some of the things we were, we were just talking about, like, oh, sometimes when you release books, like, you really find out who your friends are and you've helped all these people. And also then on the other other hand, at the same time we said, but how cool is it to like, look at the expectation that we all had for something that we did for someone like, oh, I expected you to return that favor. And that's the only reason I'm disappointed right now is I had a false expectation, like, you never asked me to do that. Maybe you didn't have the bandwidth for it. Maybe it completely slipped your mind because it was during a launch or something like that, you know, so it's kind of a fun. A fun cycle to go through.
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I have this ever changing relationship with manifestation because I'm like, sometimes I'm like, man, I'm a magnet. Other times, like, am I even doing this right? Like, what is this? Who am I? What am I? Am I like, trying to feel the thing? Am I just saying it out loud? Should I let it go? Should I not even think about it? But I think manifestation, for me, when I really think about what it is and what it's been throughout the years is I think it's like the process of calling out what you want, like calling your shot, thinking about it, putting it into words so that you have a target. So I think manifestation is really powerful because everything starts with a thought. Everything that we're looking at, everything that we desire, every single company that we're like, oh, my God, I would love to have that or experience it all starts. Starts with a clear thought.
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B
It's a manifestation.
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Yes, just a clear thought, a target, an intention that every single day, if I'm saying what this thing is that I want, of course I'm gonna direct every single action that I do that day to that targeted thing. So I think a manifestation is, like, getting so vivid on painting the picture of these details, but also not being attached to how it shows up, because it could show up totally different. And you have to have the realization of, like, okay, I was manifesting that I wanted, you know, I wanted this other thing. Maybe it was. Let's go back to the fitness days. I was manifesting that I wanted this trophy. I wanted to win this national, you know, championship title so bad. Like, how did this not work out? I didn't win it. Like, it's been years. I haven't gotten it. Except you have this thriving business. Like, you have this thriving fitness business that's, like, totally fulfilling. You. You have this insane community that follows you. It's, like, amazing. And you go back and go, why did I want that thing? Like, why did I actually want the national title? And if you look at it, you know, thinking back, because I didn't win it for a very long time, and I had to actually get to this place, I was like, I was doing it because I thought it would bring me community, fulfillment, clients. And I was like, oh, my God, I have it. Like, the manifestation that I was so focused on and why I wanted it is happening right over here. And so we can in lack when actually you're in absolute abundance and it's working out for you. So what is the thing that you want? And do you already have it or are you getting it? Like, can you focus on it in a different way?
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B
And is there a sort of environment that you set yourself up in for, like, the action of manifest manifesting something? Or is it just like, in the. In your world, this is like, you'll write down on a paper, like, these are the things that I'm manifesting.
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A
The walk really helps because we're bringing up those three all the time, and a lot of times they share similar veins. Like, they're. Sometimes some will creep in, you know, that you want to manifest for that day. Some will be like, one that's consistent that I want to manifest for the next, like, three months or six months or whatever. That looks like, so the walk is kind of where I say it out loud. I think about it. I.
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B
Do you guys talk about it? Like, after everything that you do on the Power 9, do you guys talk about them?
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Chris doesn't always do that. He's very linear. I, after each point, like, kind of give a little story about why I'm feeling that way. He hates that. He hates it so much because he's like, get through them and then we'll talk. And I'm like. But I like to talk about each one. So it's kind of like you learn what works for you. So, yes, I'll do a manifestation. I'll kind of talk about maybe how it maybe changed for that week or how I want to, like how that's gonna be happening, or I'm integrating that into my day. Or how manifestation came true. Like, maybe I have someone on the podcast that I wanted. So, yeah, I end up talking a.
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Lot about it, you know, and I bring it up because in my opinion, like, you. You touched on it for a second, right? Like, every single business in the world is a manifestation. Yes, it's. It is. It is a manifestation of somebody's first thought of what that could be.
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Yeah.
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B
Marriage is a manifestation. Right. Like, you find somebody that you're interested in, you end up developing a relationship. Eventually you start thinking about marriage. Right. Like, that's a manifestation. Then there's like a little bit more Woo. Woo. Manifestation.
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Right.
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B
And who's that? Who's that? That. Who's that guy? That's main focus is on the law of attraction. Big speaker. He, like, healed his body on the inside.
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A
Joe Dispenza.
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B
Joe Dispenza. He's a big manifestation guy. Right. And so going from what we just talked about in manifestation, about having, like, these things that you're just like, you're.
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A
You're.
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B
You're repeating. It's sort of a. It's. It's a. It's a requirement in your day to reflect on them, to think about them. And then there's Joe Dispenza.
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A
Yeah, right.
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B
Who's like, you know, telling. Telling people that they could. They could potentially, like, manifest all sorts of crazy things.
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A
Love him, too.
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B
Yeah, no, me too. Me too. I think he's incredible. I mean, I like. I mean, I often listen to his meditations, so I think that there is a pretty, like, wide net when it comes to manifestation. But I do believe that it's like, a really incredible thing to do, because when you really boil it down, everything that one ultimately achieves is a manifestation. They're working towards a thing and they're thinking about it all the time and it doesn't, they don't have it before they get it.
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Yeah, right. Yes. I think manifestation is like, because now I'm, you know, I think we do so many things we don't even realize. And one of the things that, that it does for me in the morning is, you know, cause I learned kind of the, that the woo way of manifestation as well and really worked hard for a while. And like, I'm going to meditate, I'm going to visualize, and that was great too. And I do believe that that works. In fact, I want to get back to visualizing more because I really believe that that is, that was really powerful for me. But when I say manifesting, it's kind of like attempting your best shot at trying to figure out what energy you would be in and who you would be if you already had that thing. So it's like the quote unquote frequency of, you know, that thing that you desire or that group of people that you desire to be in. So I think manifesting is like, okay, now how do I, now that I know what I want, how do I become the person who could attract that and handle that and keep that? And so that is always the thing that I'm thinking about in the morning. Like, oh, gosh, okay, if I want this, okay, I just said I want this company to hit these numbers this year. Who would I need to be and who would I need in my life? And what things right now that I think are the big things do I need to actually make the small things? Like, what energy do I have to approach all of my problems with today? And that, I think is where manifestation meets practicality of like, okay, this is who you need to be to do that. And that's where the work happens, where people are like, but I manifested it, I put it on my board. I'm like, yeah, but you still suck. No, I'm just kidding. But you still are like, like thinking in the way of the person who lost their money. Or you're still thinking in the way of the person who's holding that grudge of that person. You're still thinking in the way of the person who thinks they owe you something. Like, that's not gonna match the man. This is me talking to me, by the way.
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I'm listening. No, I'm here, I'm with it. Like, there's a story that I always tell that I think applies super well to this, and I love it. And I've probably shared it, you know, a handful of times on this podcast because I do think that every time I tell it and every time I hope that it does touch someone because it's a story about an elder and a young person in a community and they're sitting at a fire and the elder says to the youngin, you know, there's a war inside of us all the time. There's a war going on between these two wolves all the time. They're fighting constantly. It's just a war. And one of the wolves represents negativity and skepticism and failure and ego. And the other wolf, you know, represents optimism and positivity and forward thinking and beauty and confidence. And so the kid says to the elder, so wait, there's a, it's like always a war. It's always fight a fight. And he says, yeah, it's just a fight all the time. And the kids say, well, who wins? And the elder says, whoever you feed most, you know, and like, I think that is like the difference between this and that.
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A
Right.
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B
It's like I, the. I have a visualization manifestation that I do. And for me it is, it's thinking about my family in the happiest environment, the most comfortable environment. And for me, really it comes with this view of watching, being able to see the sunrise and the sunset. And I don't, I really don't care about, I mean, of course I want like a beautiful home.
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A
Yep.
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B
But for me, this manifestation is sitting in front of this home with my family, being able to watch the sunrise and the sunset. Because I really do think that would make a big difference in life. Right. Being able to witness that on a regular basis.
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A
Yes, totally.
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B
You know what I mean? Like, like a north or south facing property. And so I've, I've been, I've been manifesting this for a long time. This, this like very specific kind of thing that is going to be a byproduct of what I build in business and how I'm, I'm able to achieve this thing. And we stayed in this place that our friends let in the south of France this summer. We, we were given an opportunity to stay at this unbelievable home. And we get to this home and, and I'm sitting in front of this place and I walk out the back of the house and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is the visualization I've been having. There are mountains. I'm like, I was like, I had a moment that God just was just like Here you go. Here's a little glimpse, dude.
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A
Oh, man.
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B
And it was just this emotional experience for me where I was just like. Like, wait a second. Like, you could doubt all day long. You can question. You can, you know, think that what you hear is what you. What you may hear is not for you.
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A
Y.
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B
It's for other people is just not for you. Or you can be open to everything in life, you know? And anyway, I just. I wanted to hone in on manifestation.
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A
Yeah, they're like godwinks. They're like breadcrumbs or they're like, here I am.
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B
Right, Right.
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A
Yeah. And they're undeniable. They'll like, bring you to your knees in those moments, but you have to recognize them totally.
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B
Like my. An old mentor of mine, you know, and. And used to say to me when things would show up like that in my life, he would say, is it odd or is it God, it's so good.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I'd be like, you're right.
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A
God's like, come on. Odd again, like, it's me.
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B
So are there any other things that you do throughout your day that like, give you a. That. That you could say you. You do consistently that you would sort of point to being not necessarily a success, meaning monetary, but just a success making you feel more confident throughout the day? Because I know anxiety is something that you've brought up a number of times. I also suffer from. From anxiety. And I would say in our day and age with social media and all the, like, hyperactivity and hyper connectivity, a lot of us are thinking about the future and worrying about it and have a hard time being like, right here, right now.
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A
I know.
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B
So are there any things that you do habitually or at least that you can point to that you think are like, little tools that you use throughout the day that help get you grounded?
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A
Well, I'm constantly fighting, like, distraction is my main. It's my main thing that's like. If I could tell you I was thinking about it on the way up here. Like, if I could tell you one thing that is really like the thing that I'm working on that I'm most challenged by. It's distraction. I think now with this company and having a podcast and running events, I'm like, almost so distracted sometimes that my default response is avoidance. Not super awesome. When you have to get a lot done and, you know, you're working with teams and you. I want to be a person who shows up and does things on time and. And I can feel also this taps into my Worst fear, which is disappointing people and having people not like me. So no wonder distraction is the thing that I'm getting, like, quote unquote, like, tempted by or that is, you know, the thing that's trying to derail me. Then I was just listening to David Guillaume on the way up, and he said, well, distraction's coming in for you because that's the next level for you to grow. So right now, the thing that I'm doing for distract is like, I'm trying my hardest to even becoming aware of when you wanna pick up your phone and going, why am I picking this up right now? Is this for, like, a quick dopamine hit because you feel bad about this thing is hard right now. I really suck in this arena. So I'm gonna get a quick dopamine hit from something I can go see or I'm good at or go look at something. And it's so crazy to see the awareness of why I'm doing the things. And that's helping me a lot right now to stop with distraction. Cause it's one thing to say, don't do that. Don't pick up your phone. Right? You still pick up your phone. There's not like, selling your stuff forever. Yeah, I'm just like, whatever. But when you really look at why you're doing it, that's a whole other level of like, oh, like, that's really. That's interesting because it's just really keeping me away from all of the things and the blessings that are, like, waiting in this feeling of uncomfortableness and letting it be okay to feel like I don't know what I'm doing right now, but I'm gonna figure it, like, just stay longer. That's what I'm saying to myself right now. Stay longer. Just stay here longer. Let's see if you can just finish up these emails. Let's stay in a sauna a little bit longer. And it's just my brain, it wants to go everywhere else. It wants dopamine really bad.
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B
Me too.
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A
And that's where I'm at right now. So those are the few things. They seem like small practices, but they're very large to me right now.
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B
I think that's the biggest.
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A
That's where I'm at.
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B
I think that's the biggest. I think that if there was one thing that I could change about the way business is done today would be, let's bring it back to 1985, where, like, you wanted to communicate with somebody, you would either have to get on a call one on one. A conference call. Write a fucking letter.
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A
Totally. Oh, my God.
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B
You know what I mean? Like, write a letter or, you know.
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A
I mean, put a flyer on someone's car.
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B
Yeah. Like. Like, literally, like, what, what, what, what?
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A
You know, like, exactly.
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B
Business deals happened typically between 8:00 in the morning.
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A
Mm.
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B
And 6:00 at night.
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A
Right.
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B
And like, they happened like, with humans communicating typically. Now there is your phone, your text message, your phone. There's email, there's fucking Asana, there's Monday.com. there's Slack. There's like, there are so many things and I'm like, you. I have a feeling that. When's your birthday?
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A
December 6th.
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B
Okay. I have a. I'm October 21st. I just, I felt libra from you, but I have my team and I'm also like, you where. Like, I just. I really want to be able to get all these things done.
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A
Right.
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B
Like, I really do. But when they're. When, like, I just. I'm not good at Slack. It's just. I'm like, there's enough emails coming.
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A
I won't go on Slack. I won't. I told my team I'm not doing it.
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B
Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, there's an. I'm getting 150 emails a day on average. Like, what makes you think I want to add another layer to this? Right? Like, and have every single one of the agencies that we work with have their own channel.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That they can just. Just like attack us on?
- [47:13]
A
No.
- [47:14]
B
And so you're right. Like, it's. The truth is we weren't built for it. Humans were not built for it. And so we were wondering why autoimmune disease and like, all of these things are like, at. You know, and that's obviously environmental, but, like, there is such a level of anxiety that we were not built for because of all these external additions.
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A
There's always a ping and a ding. Always. It's just like it never goes away. So we have to con. We have to control it. Like, we have to learn how to set boundaries. Shut it off. Set boundaries. Yeah. Or you like, why are we building? I think these are the questions my husband and I are asking right now is because we're such. We love to build. Love. Love it.
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B
Like, me too.
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A
We will. If we live till we're in our 90s or 100, we will have something, I believe, that we are working on and building towards. And I came here as a builder. Like, I came out of the womb as a builder and so did My husband. But I want to enjoy that and I have to remember why I'm doing it. Like, truly to, like, enjoy and create something and, you know, create something from nothing. And it's so easy to forget, to get wrapped up in numbers or to get wrapped up in, you know, whatever people are wrapped up in. Needing to make payroll, wanting to be the best, wanting to, you know, be seen by whomever in whatever industry. And at the end of the day, it's like, how do you just make a really good day? And when you do that, I think that's when you can zoom out and you get really great results. But that is so hard to do, especially when we have to be as business owners. You have to be thinking ahead all of the time. But, like, think ahead and then come down to, like, how do we make really great days for ourselves and for our people? And that's is. That's the challenge.
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B
Is there anything that you do that kind of. You. You could. You. You think of as a buffer getting you out of this sort of like, business intensity. Back home, as a wife walking, I.
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A
I want to write a book. It's 500 pages long and every single page says, go for a walk. The end. Like, it's going to be that is it. Like, I don't need any other advice for people. Like, go walk. Go be with your thoughts. Say a prayer to God, say, help me with this problem. Show me the solution. Connect me to the person and like, walk it out. Two to three miles, 20 to 30, 20, 20 minutes to 60 minutes. Like 50 to 60 is ideal. I do notice a difference after you hit that, like 45, 50 minute mark. But it will completely change your life. Because I think that we like reconnecting. Reconnecting to whatever you believe. Source, God, universe. For me, it's God. Like, like, that's all the answers. That's where you can throw all your burdens. That's where you can offer up your stress. Like, sometimes the actual physical movement of, like, if I'm super stressed out, if I have a problem or a conversation or something that feels really bad, like in my company or a bad review or bad customer service, email or somebody that I'm like, oh, good God, how did they get in this program? I don't know how to get them out or whatever that looks like. It's like, take it on a walk. Literally. Picture, like taking that thing and just handing it up. Like, I'll put it in my hand from my heart and be like, here you go. No, because I can't Handle it. I'm not big enough for it. But you are. Figure it out. Like, sometimes I'm like, God, please figure this out. Because I can't figure this one out. And something will happen. Something will come. Some form of relief will happen. It may not happen right then, but keep doing it. Like, I promise you, if it doesn't happen right then, I believe it's for you to sit with for just a little bit to learn even more skills, right? Like, maybe don't go home and have that glass of wine. Support yourself a little bit more that night. Like, eat something healthy. Try to go to bed early. Reach out to a friend. Like, I don't believe that God just says, okay, give that to me, I'll fix it, right? He's like, well, you're not doing a very good job at home of supporting this problem. So I can do my stuff over here. Like, I'm gonna work some magic behind the scenes that you don't see. But you have to stay in this a while. Cause you gotta figure this out for yourself, like, how to support yourself physically and mentally at home. And so I think there's always things going on that we can't see of why maybe things aren't being removed right away or fixed right away. But I do think the solutions all start with like, giving it up and asking for help.
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B
Right? There's no it just the get rich quick thing doesn't happen. And that goes with got to. Right? Like, it's just like, you can't just like, expect to like, ask. And like, all of a sudden things are just gonna turn around. There is, there is a fair amount of work consistently.
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A
It's a delayed waiting period.
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B
Yeah, those are the best ones and they suck going through them, but they're the best ones, right? Anything that happens like that, you've got a question.
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A
Yep, totally.
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B
You know, like my sister said, hey, I've got this, like, really interesting investment opportunity. I want to tell you about it. It's like, better than the stock market. I'm like, nicole, stop right now. I'm just like, so we've had a.
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A
Lot of these in the past, like months. And I'm like, okay, that's all end there.
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B
Yeah, let's just pause. Keep your money in the bank. Wait a second. Let me just.
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A
Don't go to prison, okay? That's literally to my right. My husband and I say that all the time. Like, okay, we're going to stay out of prison with this one.
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B
And I, I, I, you know, so I know that that fitness Is. Is. Is a big part of your life. It was a huge part of your life for a long period of time. And that requires an enormous amount of. Of. Of discipline. I know it well. I competed in fitness as well. Sleep is a big part of my happiness. And when. When I don't sleep seven and when I sleep seven and a half hours to eight hours, I feel very different.
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A
Yeah, totally.
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B
I just do.
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A
I'm a different person.
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B
Different person.
- [53:00]
A
Ask my husband. No, it's like gremlin.
- [53:02]
B
Ask my wife.
- [53:03]
A
Gremlin or very nice person. Right.
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B
So I really do think that sleep plays a big role in our success and happiness. Not, you know, success in business. Of course. The happier we are, the more. The better we'll be in business. Right. Or the better we'll be as a husband or a wife or a father, son, you know, whatever it is. So do you. Do you have anything that you do in terms of routine around sleep?
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A
I put my phone away pretty much every night at 7 or 8. Like, I try not to have it in my hand at all at that point because it feels. It's not even like, for the blue light, which, you know, we want to get our eyes off lights like that. But at the same time, for me, it's. I need to not feel accessible, like, in order for me to start calming down. And so there's something about a phone and a computer. Like, even if Chris has his phone out and laptop, I'm like, turn your screen away from me. Like, I feel like people are in the living room with me or wherever. We're trying to relax. So typically, it's kind of like we'll do that walk, we'll eat dinner, and that's it. Like, my phone was done before that. And no matter what's going on in the day, unless I really have to, you know, we have nights that sometimes you have to work and get things done, but for the most part, if not, I'm like, I'm cutting it off here because right now I have zero energy to handle even anything that I would wanna handle. I'm not gonna handle it in a very good way. I'm not gonna be the person that I wanna be to even write these emails. So I'm gonna. I would rather do it earlier in the morning than doing it to disrupt sleep or have those thoughts in my head. So that's a big one for me. You know, we used to read every single night before bed. We haven't been doing that. When Chris and I both started startups, we're watching Things like te. So I'm just being totally honest, like watching something light or something that I can get lost in. The best, like, great. We're gonna watch one of our shows tonight. We're gonna eat something healthy, something, you know, and I can't watch anything that's like heavy murder, anything like that. Cause I won't be, you know, like we live in California. Don't do that like you were in New York. Like, just don't do things that are gonna implant things into your brain before you go to bed. So I'm just big on coming down. Like I just have a coming down routine. The walking again is huge. Like that's kind of like that starts my night, you know, with that walk and then dinner and then kind of like I don't wanna be on my phone much after that or at all. And that's been huge for me, just the calming down process.
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B
I have a very similar evening routine. And you know, there are periods of time where we'll be good and read, read before bed. But quite frankly, I prefer watching a show.
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A
Same. No, I do.
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B
You know what I like the routine is very similar. I do think though, routine doesn't have to be we do this and then we do this and this and we do this. Consistency is ultimately, in my opinion, and this comes from the world of being a restaurant. Like being a restaurant person. What makes a restaurant successful is not the greatest food. Right. It's like most of your favorite restaurants aren't. Like every time you eat there, you're like, oh, that was the best meal of my life.
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A
Totally.
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B
It was consistent.
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A
Yes.
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B
The food was consistent, the service was fun and good. Maybe they call, maybe they remember your name. You know, the dish is the same, it's consistent. Right. So like, I think routine doesn't have to be this crazy long, drawn out thing. It's just something that you're doing consistently. Right. Like if you went to bed at 10:00, 2:00 in the morning, 11:00, 1:00 in the afternoon, like if you did all, if you went to bed a different time every single night, chances are your sleep is gonna suck and ultimately you're gonna to suck, right?
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A
Totally.
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B
But like, if you went to bed around the same time every night, 9:30 to 10:15, chances are that's a consistent time to go to bed. You're probably going to wake up at a consistent time in the morning and you can sort of plan your day that way. So I think routine really is important in these areas and that's why I think this podcast is, like, for me, it's like, yes, we get to hear awesome stuff. And, like, I'm. I'm able to, like, extrapolate some cool things that you do throughout hearing about your routines. But really, at the end of the day, I think what people get from listening to this podcast is different ways to think about routine, because I do think routine and structure happen to be the cornerstones of what a day should be sort of based around. And if you don't have any kind of, like, this is kind of what I do in the beginning, and this is kind of what I do in the end. And here's a few little pebbles that I like to use throughout the day to keep me. Boom. Like, I'm going this way, right? Like, that distraction. You're feeling uncomfortable. You walk into a new setting. The easiest thing to do in a new setting where you don't know anybody is just poop.
- [57:39]
A
Yes.
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B
Like, that's the easiest thing to do. Right. And you look around a room, you look like you walk on a New York City subway. Like, there's not a single person on that subway that is not like this. Everybody is doing that, and it's like, there's no. There's no, like, there's no magic, nothing.
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A
No interaction, nothing, you know? Yeah.
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B
So I. I really appreciate you sharing that stuff with us, you know, because I think I, I. My goal is to just add value, right. To someone who is listening to this podcast where they're like, wow, I've never tried that. Like, the Power 9. Like, no one's ever said that on this podcast. I get. I get chills when somebody brings something new to the table that I can be like, that's the thing that I'm gonna take from it.
- [58:25]
A
I love that.
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B
And I can imagine 10 other people, minimum them, are going to try this thing. Right. I want to just finish with one final thought. You've done so much, and we've got a lot of kind of similar things in our lives. You know, obviously, you're an ambitious person. Right. Like, you've. Competing in fitness is, I would argue, to say, probably the foundation of what has brought you to where you are today. Right. You are able to commit to something like that. It gives you the confidence to be able to commit in many other ways.
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A
Yes.
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B
And that is my story, too, where I start with fitness, and I saw awesome success there, and I was like, wait a second. All I got to do is commit, and now, boom, I can, like, do these other things.
- [59:08]
A
Yep, totally.
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B
So You've done so much. You're a best selling author, you have a massive podcast with millions of downloads. You have an awesome company that you founded, but you founded seven figure companies before this company that you're currently running. I mean, you've done so much. You're. You're a transformational speaker. Like, like people seek you. Why have you felt the need to continue to just climb this ladder of success? Like, what do you think has been the fire?
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A
I think in the beginning, it started out as I needed to prove something to myself because I used to have the mantra for myself. I've never finished anything, didn't finish high school, and I never felt smart or worthy. And so it started out in the beginning as like needing validation, truly, like needing to prove something to myself and to people. And I think as I went along, the more that I started to be like, whoa. I mean, this is pretty cool. Like, you can go from this person who didn't have confidence, who didn't believe in herself, who had anxiety, who had panic attacks, who couldn't speak on a stage, who would crumble in front of, talking in front of four, four different couples at a dinner, to like, when you face your fears, you actually, like, get to turn into this different person. And I think it started to become this really beautiful, fun game of like, what else can we do in this lifetime? And what else can I prove to people that they can do too? Because that is when, when you do the thing and you reach back and you get to teach it to people. That's where I think that's where you like, unlock this whole other level of, oh, that's why we're here. Oh, yeah. To create like these connections and fulfillment with other people and helping other people too. Because as much fun and how great those things sound like, you know, you've had some great success. Felt like Borat there. Great success.
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B
Thank you very much. Very much. Good sex.
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A
Yes. You felt it. Like, it's not super fulfilling. Guys, I hate to break to you. You have to experience it for yourself to know. Like, okay, do I just do more of this? What is the point? So I think, think for me now, the point is, okay, what else can I do and experience in this life? Because that's really cool, right? We get to experience whatever we want. Like sitting here going, I know that I can create whatever I want in my head and go and achieve it, but who do I have to become and what do I have to unlock and who do I need to know all these different things? Like, it becomes A fun game. And then to be able to also teach that is a whole other level of like being able to help people and create experiences for people. And, and that's where it all unlocks for me.
- [61:53]
B
I love that. And the thought that came to mind for me when you said, you know, you come up with an idea in your head and you can create and you can create anything you want. You know, like, I think that is so real and so true and so few people believe it. But if I had to paint a picture of that, you know, there are wild and crazy architects right out there. You said you're a builder. I'm also a builder. Like I thrive in that, in that piece of, of of of creation. In that like I'm going to take you from 0 to 60 and then I'm going to find a bunch of great people to take it from 60 to 600.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I like these crazy architects come up with these wild ideas to build these crazy things that have never been built before. And if you saw it on paper, you'd be like, that's crazy. You're going to build 136 story skyscraper, the tallest thing in the world. And, and like that person figures out how to do it. They do it.
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A
They did.
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B
It happens all the time. And it's the same thing with, with anything you want to create. You've got to figure out how much it's going to cost, how you're going to get to the, to the place where you can afford that, who you're going to surround yourself with to help you have the confidence to actually jump off the cliff and go. But I think that, that leaving on that note, where you can create whatever it is you want to create and figuring out the person you need to become to get there just did it for me and I think it's going to do it for everybody else. You're amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time.
- [63:31]
A
So fun. This is my favorite, like, this is, this is why you build stuff, is to have conversations like this with like amazing people. It's the best, isn't it?
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B
It is. I want you.
- [63:40]
A
This is like the best part.
- [63:41]
B
I mean, this is arguably one of my favorite things to do in my business. You know, I love to be able to sit across the table and just connect and that be like, oh my God, I feel the same way. Oh my gosh, I've done this thing. Like, it's just. You are a living, breathing example of someone who has put in the work and has proven to. Yes, of course. Yourself, but to other people. Hey, I'm not this insanely unique person that this is only going to happen for. Like, you are just as capable. But you said it a few times in the podcast. What do you need to unlock and who do you have to become? And, like, if I can do it, you can do it. If I can do it, you can do it. Yeah, you know, totally. Where can everybody follow along your journey?
- [64:27]
A
The earn your happy podcast is where I'm at three times a week. And then Instagram's kind of the main. The main thing for me at Lori Harder. And then Glocee is the main getglossy.com as well as the product.
- [64:39]
B
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for spending the time with us. I'm excited to try get glossy too. I really. I really want to drink my water.
- [64:47]
A
I think you'll love it.
- [64:47]
B
I want to drink my way to just give us a quick little. A quick one on that. I want to hear about. About Glitzy real quick before we close it.
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A
So I found myself drinking hydration products all the time because I. I'm a toddler and I need my water flavor to drink it. And I know I'm supposed to be drinking water. And I've always loved, like, I've always loved the beauty industry, just skin and, you know, I come from essentially the fitness pageant world, so clothes, skin, all the things. And I also came from the. The fitness industry with supplements and, you know, always wanting to be healthier and. And I thought, why is this so challenging? Why do we have 50 different things that we need to take? And I hated taking pills, so I was like, what if I just took this hydration packet and put everything I wanted in there? But it also did something for your skin, like, for you externally, because we know that our food, like beauty, comes from the inside out, essentially, because if you don't eat great, you're not going to look great, you're not going to have amazing skin. So I kind of put exactly what I wanted and what I surveyed, all of my friends and all of my community, like, how could we make. Make something way easier? Because at this point in my life, I used to have time for that stuff. I don't anymore. So we put it in one stick. It's skin and gut, the things that we really, like, wanted to go after. And I'm super excited about it.
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B
Awesome.
- [65:58]
A
Yeah.
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B
And skin and gut applies to everyone, right? Like, it's just like, those are the. Those are two things that could help and benefit everyone and anyone. You're awesome. Thank you so much. I can't wait to get this podcast out there and have people and share your, your just your, your message. It's, you know, it's amazing. Thank you.
- [66:18]
A
This was such a great conversation. Thank you for having me.
- [66:21]
B
Of course. There we go again, ladies and gents. Just another great episode on the Creatures. I have a podcast. I am fired up. I cannot wait for you guys to hear what happened on this podcast. Get some of the gems that Lori dropped on us and I hope that you follow along on her journey because I know she's got an amazing things that she that you can continue learning from. You know what? I love and appreciate you guys. What would mean the world to me, which would mean the absolute world, is if you took a couple of minutes to think about someone that you can brighten their day by sharing this podcast with, that could be your mother, your father, a friend, a foe, send it to an enemy, me, maybe a way to bury the hatchet. That would mean the world. That is how, you know, I ask for you guys to pay for this, for this content. Just share it. And if you're feeling unbelievably generous, like beyond generous, and you've got an extra minute or two, you know, give us a review and a five star rating anywhere you listen to your podcast. If you don't want to give us a five star rating, anything less than five stars, don't do it there. Shoot me a DM and tell me how bad I suck. I will happily respond to that. Other than that, I love you guys. I appreciate you guys. And until the next one, y'all. Peace. And there you have it, folks. I hope we delivered some valuable content for you to implement into your life on a daily basis. Please remember that our habits have the power to make us or break us. Replacing bad habits with great ones is the answer to living a life of happiness. Happiness, optimism and high performance. We are capable of achieving anything. We all have what it takes to give it all we've got. Commit to one great habit each day and truly commit. And watch how everything in your life starts evolving from good to great. If you enjoyed this podcast, please follow us wherever you listen to your podcast, give us a five star rating and a nice, nice review that will help us grow this podcast, bring on more amazing guests, and continue to deliver invaluable content on a weekly basis. Lastly, please share this podcast with any friends or family that you think might appreciate it. And always remember, want plus do equals have. Until the next one. Fam. Peace.