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- [00:00]
Bex Gentry
The running nerds out there constantly asked me if he really happy it was a 232 01. How can you be happy with something? 01 I gave it my all. I literally was about to eat the tarmac as I came over that finish line like my glutes were gone. There was nothing. Rosie Edwards came up behind me on the last like 10 meters of the Olympic trials that day and she screamed, bex, go. I was in third position. I was in third position for so long I had nothing. And I just remember laughing because I just couldn't. And she came past me to take third spot literally on the finish line. And I will forever stand my ground of saying I'm never going to be upset with that.01 because it was everything. I laid it all on the floor that day and swore I retired that day as well.
- [00:54]
Michael Chernow
I'm Michael Chernow and this is the Creatures of habit podcast. Our habits will make us or break us. It's just that simple. I've lived on both sides of the tracks and have learned that the decisions we make on a consistent basis truly define who we are as human beings. On this show I will be interviewing some of the most inspiring, motivating and high performing humans I've encountered to share their daily habits, routines and rituals that help them stay on top of their game and ultimately happy. So sit back, relax and pay attention because what you hear over the next 30 to 45 minutes could potentially change your life. Let's go. What up creatures of habit community? Welcome back to the podcast. Today we've got a guest on the show who is an elite runner. Her name is Bex Gentry. She is a OG Peloton instructor. She's been with peloton for a bunch of years. We were just talking back in the green room about some old friends of mine that also are OG Peloton instructors. And it's a bit of a small world in this wild world of wellness. The other www Bex won the New York City marathon in the non elite class. She ran a marathon in 2 hours and 32 minutes. That's like 5, 20 miles.
- [02:26]
Bex Gentry
540 something.
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Michael Chernow
540 miles. So like imagine sprinting as fast and as hard as you can for 26.2 miles. That's basically what that is. And she did that. She also ran seven marathons on seven continents in seven days. That's like seven, seven, seven, seven marathons. Seven continents, seven days. One of those continents was also Antarctica. That's one of the seven. Anyway, I'm really, really excited to speak with Bex today about all things. She's also a mom, and she's just a hard charging human being that presents really kind, calm, collected, humble, and got like a smile that'll bright up a room for days and days. So really, really excited to introduce Bex to the show.
- [03:16]
Bex Gentry
Hi. That was very kind of you. Welcome and blushing and it's warm. Thank you for having me.
- [03:24]
Michael Chernow
Yeah, you know, I've been looking forward to this one because when we were sitting back there, right before we turned on these cameras, I asked you a question. Why do you feel the need or why is it? Why do you run towards challenge and discomfort? And you might not think it's this, but for 99.999% of the world, what you do is incredibly challenging, incredibly uncomfortable, and you run towards it as fast as you can. Pun intended.
- [04:00]
Bex Gentry
Yeah, I do. Why do I do that? Honestly, I don't know. I tell people I'm not competitive, and most people who know me laugh in my face when I say that. And then I break it down. I'm not competitive with other people. I like, you know, I have that little bit in me that's like, ah, you know. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I'm never somebody who's like, oh, I want to beat that person. I want to be faster than that person. The kindness in me is too, like, I can't put names to that. Or the Britishness. I don't know. I'm competitive with myself. And I think it's about pushing my. My boundaries and getting uncomfortable is such a gift. And it's temporary. I think what people forget is that there is so much discomfort in this world that isn't temporary. There are people who are suffering day in and day out. They don't have a choice how uncomfortable their life is. They are just so unfortunate. And we get to choose how long we're uncomfortable for and how deep into that discomfort we go. We are so blessed and so lucky. And so I think sometimes I just. I just nudge that side of me, of, hey, what happens if my life did turn wholly uncomfortable? How tough? How tough can I be? And maybe that's what drives me to just keep edging towards a tougher human being. But I'm always gonna be this softy on the other side as well.
- [05:38]
Michael Chernow
When you're in it and you're running a marathon at a pace that's, you know, insane. First of all, I also wanna ask, like, how do you. How do you go from running to running fast? Cause I think that's like it's so that idea for anybody that would just go to try it feels, you know, there's like I really hate to use the word impossible because I've been able to throughout my life really defy that word impossible. And so have you. But when I think about running a marathon at 5 minute 40 second pace, I don't want to say it would be impossible for me. But running a 400 at 5 minute 40 is really hard. So like when you're in it, what are you thinking? What, what's going through your mind? Are you, are you? Every step, are you, is it a challenge? Is it, is it hard?
- [06:46]
Bex Gentry
Yes. Every step, every step I have circular conversations in my head that will go on repeat over and over again and I know the outcome. I'm going to brush them away and then I'm going to come back to it and it's I can't do this. Yes you can. You train for I can't do this. Yes you can. You train for it on loop in my head. And it's. If it's ever easy, it's within your realm and that's not what you've trained for. You've trained to step out of the realm of comfort. So for me, that training, I didn't go into that I came out of New York was the fastest I'd ever run. 23701. Before that it was in the 240s, like 242 49. Yeah, it was a 12 minute PR in New York. So 2 49. So I have gradually gotten faster and I have gradually tried to get faster. I've changed how I train, I've changed how I rest, reset and go again on a daily weekly, however you want to micro macro down. But it's all about what's in you and you know where your limits are. You will know when it's too uncomfortable. And I think we have to, we do have to remember that everyone is different. For me, thinking like running a 400 or a mile, I'm like, no thank you. I would, I don't want to put my body through that. I just would stay away from that. But isn't it absurd that I will run 26.2 of them? And it's just I know what's in my wheelhouse of what I can get better at. So I think I agree with you on the impossible is not the right word. It's. Is it attainable and do you want to attain it? Do you have the passion to attain it? Because one of the biggest things for me is I am not an elite professional runner. I am not paid to compete in running. I am paid to perform running at peloton. But that means running is still my hobby, and a hobby is a passion. So you still have to be passionate about your hobbies in order to do them well. The minute you don't enjoy them anymore, take a pause, reset, go do something else. Pick up something else for a minute. You may come back to it, you may not. But as long as you're enjoying that hobby, that pastime, then that to me is like you've opened your door to where you can go with it.
- [09:13]
Michael Chernow
If you had to describe what running actually does for you, what is that?
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Bex Gentry
So it puts me in a meditative. I can never say that word, and I say it so often, meditative state. I should say it with an American accent. It sounds so much.
- [09:29]
Michael Chernow
That's right, because the British accent is meditative.
- [09:31]
Bex Gentry
Yeah, meditative. Too many T's and too many teeth. But it puts me in this trance of I can organize the crazy Rolodex in my brain if it needs it, or I can totally switch off. And it gives me freedom. It gave me freedom from a toxic job, a toxic relationship, a toxic personal life, and it's continued to give me freedom in whatever I need. And sometimes I step out on my run and I don't know what that freedom is that I need. But once I finish it, I'm aware and something's happened and I feel a little bit more at peace. And I think that's why I still just keep doing it.
- [10:10]
Michael Chernow
Are you going to be faster than your pr?
- [10:15]
Bex Gentry
No, I don't think so. I'm very happy with that pr. The running nerds out there constantly asked me if he really happy. It was a 2.32.01. How can you be happy with something? 01 I gave it my all. I literally was about to eat the tarmac as I came over that finish line, like my glutes were gone. There was nothing. Rosie Edwards came up behind me on the last 10 meters of the Olympic trials that day, and she screamed, bex, go. I was in third position. I was in third position for so long. I had nothing. And I just remember laughing because I just couldn't. And she came past me to take third spot, literally on the finish line. And I will forever stand my ground of saying I'm never going to be upset with that.01. Because it was everything. I laid it all on the floor that day and swore I retired that day as well.
- [11:11]
Michael Chernow
But wow, yeah.
- [11:12]
Bex Gentry
Then I came back.
- [11:14]
Michael Chernow
Two hours, two minutes and one second. I mean, that is just. That is insane. So you were not always this person?
- [11:23]
Bex Gentry
No.
- [11:24]
Michael Chernow
What was life like before running became freedom for you?
- [11:31]
Bex Gentry
Full of bad decisions. I think the vast majority of us definitely have a certain era of human. I'm an 80s baby. And I think we all had some. Some time where we just went down a path that didn't serve us or shouldn't have. Shouldn't have served us. At the time, it felt like it was serving me and doing me wonders. I was the antithesis of what I am today. I probably. My personality was still who I am. I don't think I was ever an uncaring, mean person. But then, yeah, I made some terrible decisions in putting things into my body that I shouldn't have done and became very unhappy with myself. I was very unhealthy. I literally couldn't have run a block at that point. Like, I smoked. I was drinking all the time. Yeah. I'd wake up and I'd have a cigarette in bed. Like, that was. That's a. That's a version of Beck's in the past. And now I could think of nothing worse for my health.
- [12:35]
Michael Chernow
Imagine. Imagine doing that.
- [12:36]
Bex Gentry
Imagine Marlboro Reds, too, or Peter Stuyvesant or whatever they were called from South Africa. Like, vile. It's utterly disgusting. I cross the street if people are smoking in front of me. I just. I cannot abide it now. And that was. Yeah, you just, you know, you think back to that person, and I know you could do the same and just be like, that person. Would never believe that you are going to become somebody who is dedicated to wellness and movement and longevity.
- [13:11]
Michael Chernow
Like, somebody who gets paid to perform and lead probably millions of people. Right. Like, that's your role in life now. You know, like, there is a. There's a massive community of people that look to you as the person that they want to follow.
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Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [13:29]
Michael Chernow
And so, I mean, I think that's such a great. Sort of. Like, it's a. It's a great opportunity for us to really zone and zero in on the mission of. Of the podcast Creatures of Habit, the business Creatures of Habit. Perfection is not something that we should at all gun for. We all have flaws. We're all flawed human beings. Like, everybody has their stuff, but at the same time, I believe that anyone can change at any time. It all depends on how badly you want it.
- [14:08]
Bex Gentry
I agree.
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Michael Chernow
What was the moment for you that it was like, okay, enough's enough.
- [14:13]
Bex Gentry
There was a dark time Kind of. Now, let me. I think I was still at university, that kind of era. Where'd I finish university anyway? I was still living in. I was in London, single, in a house full of people who, you know, did bad things with their special drugs, alcohol, Drugs, alcohol, smoking, just, you know. But back in that time, they still held down jobs. I still went to university. I still got my classes in. I still got my dissertation done. But there was a point where I went to call my mom, and I was not on this planet. And to this day, I don't know what would I have said to her. Was I. Or was that me trying to ask for help from her? I don't know.
- [14:59]
Michael Chernow
At that point, did you feel like you needed help?
- [15:02]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [15:03]
Michael Chernow
Okay.
- [15:03]
Bex Gentry
Yeah, definitely.
- [15:05]
Michael Chernow
Would you consider yourself, like, potentially addicted to anything or reliant on anything?
- [15:10]
Bex Gentry
Reliant. Yeah. Reliant on certain things. To have fun, to go out, to feel like I could be social, to feel like I could be the life and soul of the party and to stay out all night. I've never been somebody who can drink, drink, drink. I've not. Not had that tolerance ever. But I certainly pushed those limits back in those days and mixed it with drugs. And that was something that was. I think the good girl in me was still there and still going, this isn't right. This isn't right. You have to get out of this somehow. And luckily I did. And the weirdest thing is, I bought a pair. I don't think you guys have them in the US but they're called mbts. They're Skechers. Do you remember the rock? The shoes that rocked. And every girl wanted them to train their booty to look good. I bought a pair of those. And I walked. I started walking to class. I walked to my job instead of getting the bus. And I think that just compelled me to change and to move. And it was just a pair of weird rocking shoes.
- [16:18]
Michael Chernow
That's so funny.
- [16:19]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. Yeah.
- [16:20]
Michael Chernow
So you were so. It was that. It was a moment where you were like, I need to do something. For whatever reason, you were compelled to think that movement in some way with these shoes.
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Bex Gentry
Yeah.
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Michael Chernow
Was going to change where you were in life.
- [16:37]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. And it took a really. Don't get me wrong, that wasn't the start of my running. That came later, but it was the start of me moving my body and realizing that it made a difference to my mentality, to my psyche, whatever you want to call it. And then as that, you know, day by day went on, as my. As I grew and Left university and got a job. I would walk, you know, I'd get off the bus. When I got a job, it was a lot further away than my school was, but I'd get off the bus earlier and then it got to a point where I was walking all the way. If anyone listening knows Stoke Newington to London Bridge, it's a long way. But I would do it and I would do it every single day. And I might have still been smoking at the time, but it was a lot less. And, you know, gradually that disappeared as well.
- [17:24]
Michael Chernow
So when did the. Well, I want to, I want to hear. I'd like to actually hear what a morning looked like for you when you were kind of deep in the throes. Like, what, what did waking up, like, what was the first 30 minutes of your day look like?
- [17:41]
Bex Gentry
Oh, scrambling to remember what. Where the night ended, wondering what time it was would be the first thing because I had it like blackout blinds in my apartment. I, I lived in a shared apartment in, in London's East End. Essentially my bed was like a fold down bed from the wardrobe and it was tiny and cramped. I just, I can, like, I can see this room of. You know, sometimes there would be another person in there, be like, who's that? Oh, gosh. Oh, goodness. And then there's always. I had one of those spinning ashtrays that you, you knew it would be a long night because it was just all everywhere but in that. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. It was filthy, it was filth. And I would wake up and I would search for a cigarette and I'd lay back down in the bed, crank the window, the top window, and just lay there and gather myself over a cigarette in the morning and go out of my room, see who's on the floor, who's here, who's still partying or what was going on and go from there. And the last couple of years of university, I don't know, the last year I was much better, but like my second year I didn't go in. I don't, you know, I didn't, I didn't attend one lecture. It was just a giant party for a year.
- [19:08]
Michael Chernow
What is your morning look like now?
- [19:13]
Bex Gentry
My retriever Maurice is very needy and he generally wants to see me at around 6 o'clock in the morning, so has this big bellowing bark to wake us up. He's also going through some gut things right now, so we're changing his gut.
- [19:29]
Michael Chernow
This is your dog?
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Bex Gentry
My dog Maurice. So he also has to either Go to the bathroom quite early now at the moment. Poor boy. But I love him so much. I love that he's just like, mom.
- [19:40]
Michael Chernow
Mom, you know, I'll tell you one thing, and I just, I think it's important to just mention this. So we feed our dogs now this raw food from a company called We Feed Raw.
- [19:51]
Bex Gentry
Okay.
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Michael Chernow
It changed. My older dog, Bowie, has had autoimmune his whole life, and he's been on steroids his whole life. And so we started feeding him. We Feed Raw. And we really did it because of our puppy, Connie Corso. And I had no clue that raw food would change his whole entire health trajectory. But I'm here to tell you that, like, that dog's life, he's not on steroids. He's the healthiest he's ever been. Raw food for dogs is miraculous.
- [20:25]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. I mean, it's what they had, right? As wild animals, it's miraculous. So we need to change that. But whenever you change their food, their bathroom habits change as well. So that's where we're at right now. So it's a little earlier than normal. And then my day is based off of two things. One, when my daughter wakes up and when I have to go to work. Because some mornings I'm at work at 4, I'm leaving the house at 4am Other mornings I'm leaving the house at 2pm you know, it's a. It's a very spontaneously weird schedule for my life. So if I'm at home with T, I try and get up before her. But I do also love my bed. So I do sometimes stay in bed until she wakes up. And she's generally like a 6, 45, 7am kind of wake up girl. And that's pretty nice. Yes.
- [21:12]
Michael Chernow
For that age. That's very nice.
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Bex Gentry
Yeah, she's. She's like a mom. She loves her bed, but she. When she wakes up, she is ready to go. There is no slow wake up in Tallulah's world. It is up, standing, waiting, and as soon as you walk in the door, it is. This is this stuffy. This one, this one, this one. Let's go, let's play. So you've got to be ready, ready to go. But my day starts. I drink full, like probably a pint of water as soon as I wake up. I try not to have caffeine before I brush my teeth. Always brush my teeth first as well when I wake up. That's just like one wake up thing. Even though dentists are like, you should leave your teeth to feel the air or something.
- [21:57]
Michael Chernow
Really?
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Bex Gentry
Yeah.
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Michael Chernow
I've never heard that.
- [21:59]
Bex Gentry
Yeah, some dentists told me that. So whatever. See me in the morning. I'm just like eh, let them breathe. Let him breathe. Breathe baby. And then yeah, it's just, it's a very easy, easy morning. It's all about tea because as a working parent I know like when our nanny arrives or when she goes to daycare, I'm not with her all day. So I just make sure that when I'm with her in the morning it's all about her. And I am full mom. Just most people from work will know 9 o'clock is when I will look at my emails. I try not to look at them first thing in the morning when I wake up and it's, it's about the baby girl and just having some fun.
- [22:41]
Michael Chernow
And like so the transition from. Because you're still super early momhood. Right. Even though it probably feels like a lifetime I would imagine. I know when, when we had little ones too. It's like a lot you know, especially when they're like totally non self sufficient now. I mean I have a 9 year old and a 7 year old. They might as well be like 25 because I'm like coming out of that. Yeah, they're just like they don't even care about us anymore. But like what was the, what was the transition like pre pregnancy like before you got pregnant or were actually like kind of uncomfortable pregnant wise? Like what, what was your, what were your mornings like then?
- [23:24]
Bex Gentry
Oh wow. It would be get up, take the dogs for a quick block walk and get out for a run like as soon as possible. I did not. I still don't love eating before a workout. My differentiation is a workout is I'm doing speed work. A run is just an easy run. If I'm doing a long run, yes, I will have creatures of habit. I will have something, some substance to do a long steady run. But it was all about the run. It was focused on when do I get my workout in? I need to get it done as soon as possible just in case I want to go longer, just in case I want to do more. And it was, it was about me. It was about me and my workout and then the rest of the day followed from there. But I'm very much a person if it's not done or was first thing, it's really the percentage of it happening drops as the day rolls on.
- [24:18]
Michael Chernow
So. And now running before the, before your daughter wakes up isn't something that you.
- [24:23]
Bex Gentry
Get at in summer. Yeah. For sure. Last summer and last year, really, I had to, if I wanted to see her outside of training and work. I had to get up when the sun was. I had to be out the door when the sun was coming up and getting my workout in and fitting it in that way. Unfortunately, in New York in winter, it's so dark in the morning, I do not feel safe running. I run alone for the most part, so I don't do that now. I'm much better at doing it later in the day in winter. But yeah, I mean, pregnancy, birth, having a kid, it changes everything. And she is, I'm never gonna get this time back with her. She's growing so fast and every day is so new. And every day is a brilliant new memory that I have learned that my run is not as important as that at all and that I can get it in at a later point or I can be okay with my peloton class being my workout for the day.
- [25:29]
Michael Chernow
That's so powerful because I think, I think a lot of people really do, you know, as you become a parent, you know, there are different priorities that show up. Right. And you know, we, we admit briefly talked about this idea that I still, as a dad of two, I still believe for me anyway, and I'm sure for you, similar, you know, we kind of have, you know, this, this, this fitness component of our lives that do really bring freedom. Right. And do really bring joy. Like true, you face the pain, but the byproduct of getting through that is like once it's done, you are totally available for everybody else in your life. Right. Like, I still do struggle. Not nearly as bad as I did, but if I don't get a workout in, I'm still like, like, it's like.
- [26:26]
Bex Gentry
You know, I'm like percentage off.
- [26:28]
Michael Chernow
Yeah, I'm just like not 100%. Yeah, I'm not 100%. And so for me, you know, it's been sort of monumental to get up super duper early so that I can get that in and if I'm not getting that workout in, you know, I'm doing some sort of other, you know, self care thing.
- [26:49]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [26:50]
Michael Chernow
So that when my kids and wife do get up and, and you know, I also feel pretty lucky that my wife is like, has totally taken sort of like the morning roll, you know. Um, but if somebody is, is like someone, you know, battled with running, you know, so many people just absolutely hate running. They just, they do not like it at all. And you love it. Well, you probably have a love hate relationship to it, right? I would imagine.
- [27:21]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
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Michael Chernow
Like you have to convince yourself to do these things at times.
- [27:25]
Bex Gentry
Yes, 100%. Yeah. It's more love for sure. But there are days where I absolutely hate that I love running.
- [27:32]
Michael Chernow
You hate that you love running, right?
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Michael Chernow
Back to the pod. For someone who has always wanted to get into running, but like they tell themselves the story that they hate it because it's really a story, right? Like it's, you know, people that say I hate running, in my opinion, don't actually know running. So it's really hard to hate something that you don't really know. What kind of tip can you give them to just potentially crack the door open a little bit?
- [29:27]
Bex Gentry
We have to find the type of running that we love. Everybody thinks running is just as you say, one thing, it's one speed, one thing. It is so much deeper than that. Within running there is a huge range of levels, capability, excitement, challenge, whatever you want to call it. So like we said earlier, you might be way more excited by a 400 meter, 800 meter mile than you are A marathon. Whereas conversely, I hate that. I cannot stand that. So if that was what I was pushed to do, I wouldn't enjoy it. I do running because I like the freedom that endurance gives me. I don't like the pressure that short and hard and fast repetitions give me. So I found my lane in running in America. It seems you need more people in the education sports department that don't punish kids through running. Because the amount of times I hear people say, I don't like running because it was used as a form of punishment from my basketball coach, my football coach, whatever sport was their main category at school. And it just, it flummoxes my brain. I'm like, why are all these educators using this fantastic method of movement as a punishment for these kids?
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Michael Chernow
Go run laps.
- [30:59]
Bex Gentry
Go run laps. You showed up late for practice. Give me. Yeah, give me a lap of the track. Or what? You're like, wait, no. Do you know what you're doing? You're putting them in a position to hate a sport that is actually way more suited for longevity than the sport that you're focusing them on. Like, people don't play football forever. You know, even Tom Brady had to retire. So, like. But you see 80, 90 year olds actually still running marathons. So I think it is about finding what doesn't scare you or make you feel sad or make you feel like it's a punishment. Find what feels good. And remember, my saying is forward is a pace. It doesn't matter the speed that you're moving. Consider that moving forward is great. That's it. Just keep moving forward. So walk, jog, run, whatever it is, do it at your pace and find the joy in it. Wow.
- [31:59]
Michael Chernow
You know, I actually have never put those two things together. That running is used as a punishment across the board. In military, in sport, really in almost anything. Running is like an easy go to. To make someone pay.
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Bex Gentry
Yeah.
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Michael Chernow
You know?
- [32:21]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. Run for your life. You run away. Like, there's all these connotations of negativity with running, but actually we gotta feel.
- [32:31]
Michael Chernow
Like, no, I had a. So I have a very, very clear vivid memory. One of the most. It's gotta be one of the best memories I can recall. I was probably, I don't know, maybe a year or two sober at max. It was like probably 2005, 2006. And I. Running had become a big part of my life because I was doing Muay Thai, kickboxing. And the way you conditioned was you would run. And in those days, I wasn't running long distance. I was Running like, three to five miles on average. Right. And I remember a. It was a day. I love running in the heat. For whatever reason, I love running in the summertime. It's like, my favorite time to run, you know, My wife despises running in the heat. I love running in the heat. And it wasn't like, unlike any other run, I would run back and forth over the Williamsburg Bridge from where I lived, and it was about three and a half, four miles, something like that. And I was coming back over the Williamsburg Bridge from Brooklyn, and they're like. They had just finished this construction on the bridge, so there was, like, all these red sort of beams coming across on the Manhattan side of the Williamsburg Bridge. And it was a beautiful, perfect day. And I think I was either listening to Radiohead or some other favorite band of mine, and I just, like, looked up and I saw the sky, like, for the first time. And I was running. And, like, I felt more free than any. Like, I felt so free in that moment that I literally opened my arms up and I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm seeing the sky for the first time for real. And it's so interesting how that was like, a turning point for me in understanding that movement truly is freedom. Like, because I think a lot of us gun towards money. Yeah, right. A lot of us gun towards material. Now, that is. There's nothing wrong with that. Right. Like, if that is your thing and. And you. You've got a financial goal that you're trying to hit, great, go for it. But what I'm here to tell you is, is that, like, I have had experiences with nice financial reward. All it does is create a level of comfort, but it doesn't make you happy and free. It does not induce these feelings of freedom.
- [35:14]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [35:15]
Michael Chernow
Like, it just doesn't.
- [35:17]
Bex Gentry
And why, though? Why do you think that is?
- [35:20]
Michael Chernow
Because it has nothing to do with your heart.
- [35:23]
Bex Gentry
Exactly. The passion.
- [35:25]
Michael Chernow
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the heart.
- [35:28]
Bex Gentry
It's true freedom.
- [35:30]
Michael Chernow
True freedom. And it's so interesting. Like, on the walk over here, I was in the train and I was thinking about that. I was thinking to myself, like, this idea that we are cultivated to run towards the money, that is what we are kind of taught.
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Bex Gentry
Yeah, of course.
- [35:52]
Michael Chernow
From birth.
- [35:53]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. Straight there.
- [35:56]
Michael Chernow
Imagine. Imagine we were taught to run towards the things that genuinely provide freedom and happiness.
- [36:05]
Bex Gentry
Wow. Where would the world be?
- [36:08]
Michael Chernow
Like, how crazy is that? You know? Because if you really think about it. And this was the second thought that came to mind to me as I was walking through the Train station. There's like, I think there's 7 billion people on the planet. Right. Something like that. Less than 1%. Far less than 1% of those people are considered rich. Super rich.
- [36:27]
Bex Gentry
Right.
- [36:29]
Michael Chernow
So you've got 99% of the world's population that doesn't have that.
- [36:35]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. The financial.
- [36:36]
Michael Chernow
That doesn't have that real freedom that we're taught and we're cultivated to believe in. Right. So you're saying that 99%. And we're also taught to believe that. That. That financial peak is where. That. Where the happiness is.
- [36:52]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
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Michael Chernow
So we're. So if you really think about it, we're saying 99% of the world is not truly happy because they're just not in that. In that 1%.
- [37:02]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. No, I feel like it's more the other way, though. I feel like when you want for less, you're happier. Whatever that want for is, you know, whether it's want for money, want for. I guess money is the driver of everything. But if you're happy at a lower level of necessity, there's a probably you've got more time.
- [37:28]
Michael Chernow
Have you thought about that?
- [37:29]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
- [37:31]
Michael Chernow
So, like, what. What would that look like? Like, what do you like? How. How would you describe that?
- [37:35]
Bex Gentry
I think about it a lot because sometimes I feel very trapped here in New York. I'm a country girl. I'm not from a big city. I'm from a. I'm from a teeny, tiny city in England. Yes. I lived in London for 15 years. London is. Cats and lions are the same. The lines are cats. They're the same family. Feline family. It's like cities, okay? London is the house cat. New York is the angry, hungry male lion. And it's dangerous and unpredictable. And I very often sit here and I'm like, this isn't what I want. I desperately want to have a house with a garden and a driveway, and I want to be able to grow my own fruits and vegetables. And I want to be able to sit and drink that glass of water in the morning in the fresh air. I went, you know, I want my daughter to be able to go out the back with the dogs and run around and me not think she's going to get squashed by a FedEx truck or, like, taken by somebody on the streets of Brooklyn. And it's not with a lack of gratitude for what I have. Don't get me wrong. I'm very blessed. I'm very lucky to have what I have, do what I do. But I know My true happiness will be able to blossom when I'm not in a city environment. And I think about, does that mean I need more money to do that? And it used to be, yes, because it was the chasing the dreams quote, unquote, air quote dreams. And now I'm like, actually, no. No, it's not. I actually think I'm going to be happier when I can scale everything back. And I do think that comes from finding happiness in a lot of different things. Like, weirdly, it's taken me to have this financial freedom in many ways, to have a beautiful home in Brooklyn, and we have a rooftop where I've, you know, I'm doing my city growing. But that has incited this passion in me to work towards how do I get out of the city? What kind of house do I want?
- [39:48]
Michael Chernow
What's stopping you? Your job?
- [39:50]
Bex Gentry
Yes. Yeah, my job right now. Yeah. But I know that real happiness in me will come from a bit more space, a bit more freedom for the mental clarity, physical clarity. I'll be able to use my Treadmore in a house because it won't be next door to my daughter's room. So I can't. People are probably thinking, why can't you get up early and use your peloton tread? Because I will wake her up. Not what I want.
- [40:17]
Michael Chernow
Defeats the object. I mean, I'm listening to you, and I'm here to tell you. And you're looking at a guy who's born and raised in Manhattan.
- [40:23]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [40:23]
Michael Chernow
Lived in New York City my whole life. I do not live in the city anymore.
- [40:27]
Bex Gentry
No, you left, right. You left in Covid with your left in Covid. Yeah.
- [40:31]
Michael Chernow
And we live about two and a half hours north. And all the things you just said are 100% accurate. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't actually. I wasn't in your shoes. I wasn't like, oh, I need to get to the country. I want more space. I want to be able to breathe the fresh air in the morning. I want to be able to, like, not. Not, you know, when you're in New York City or you're in a city and you're surrounded by people hustling constantly. You're just. It's like, you know, guilty by osmosis. You know what I mean? Like, it's just. It's contagious. Right. Like, you feel you've got to go, go, go.
- [41:07]
Bex Gentry
Yes.
- [41:08]
Michael Chernow
And I didn't realize that I'm kind of a hustler at heart. Like, that's who I am. Probably because I was Born into the. Into it. Right.
- [41:18]
Bex Gentry
This is it.
- [41:18]
Michael Chernow
But I just didn't believe that I would be able to, like, slow it down a little bit and my gosh, you would have to pay me a lot of money to come back. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I love being able to dip in and dip out.
- [41:34]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [41:35]
Michael Chernow
But living here and being here, you kind of like, sort of evolved to believe that this is where it is. But what's it exactly?
- [41:47]
Bex Gentry
It.
- [41:48]
Michael Chernow
What is it?
- [41:49]
Bex Gentry
And it for me is this goes back to what we spoke about in the green room. I put myself first a lot of the time. I have a sister who's 24 years older than me, so I'm not technically an only child, but I got. I was raised and only child, she didn't live at home. So sure, call it that only child syndrome. But I put myself first. But when I break it down to a lot of people, I put myself first because I am in the place to make the decisions that are going to impact my family. If I put Tallulah first all the time. She's two. If I said yes to everything she wants, we'd be living in a play doh house with stuffies as our friends. Like, it's not real. I have to think about, okay, well, what's going to make me happy? Because she is also a human and she is my human, and so that's going to trickle down to her. And if I'm happy, guess what? I'm going to be a freaking awesome mom. Not just an okay mom who's hustling through New York City. If I'm genuinely happy to my core, she's going to be telling everyone that she has the greatest mom rather than like, yeah, my mom. Yeah, she's, she's good. I see her every now and again. Like, she pops in, pops out, she's working. She's always doing this, doing that. And this sounds stupid, but my dogs aren't happy. I have two big dogs. I want them to be really happy. And like, if I'm not happy here as a human who gets to go out of the house multiple times of the day, goodness knows what, these poor animals, they need to be going out of the house and running around. So it sounds selfish putting yourself first, but that trickle down effect is, you know, I'm. I don't consider myself a leader, but within my family, yeah, I will be able to take that role of like, I will lead by example. And at some point soon, we're going to be getting out Brooklyn.
- [43:40]
Michael Chernow
I highly recommend it. You know, I really, it's, it's just given me an opportunity to really understand this idea that like where I true joy in my life is being with my family. That is really where I find the most joy, especially if I've taken care of myself. So if I'm. Well, being with my family is like, if I really had to boil it down, that's what I want to do. I want to be with them and I want to hang out with them, I want to cook with them, I want to travel with them, I want to experience life with them. And being out of New York has given me a far clearer, a far more clear sort of opportunity to see that, you know, for running. I just, I do want to, I do want to talk about some habits around running and some rituals before we go. You know what, what could be a couple of. So I know the hardest part about running for most people is getting their shoes on. Right. Like I had that this morning. This morning. It was nasty. It was super nasty.
- [45:01]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [45:01]
Michael Chernow
And I knew that I had said before I went to bed last night, no matter what, dude, you're lacing up and you're going to go for a run tomorrow no matter what. And I woke up early, I did my prayer and my meditation, I did my push ups and my stretching and I just was battling that procrastination. It was just like battling that moment.
- [45:27]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. Was it dark?
- [45:28]
Michael Chernow
And it was dark and there was, it was snowing and sleeting and it just wasn't like no one wants to go out in that. But I did and it was amazing.
- [45:39]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [45:40]
Michael Chernow
I mean it wasn't amazing, but it was amazing.
- [45:43]
Bex Gentry
The after effect, the afterglow.
- [45:45]
Michael Chernow
Even, even, even once I was out there and I was like, you felt. That sucks, man. Like this sucks. But I put there, I'm like, I'm. I think with the magic of, of taking initiative, taking action is like, you can have this, the conversation that this sucks, but I'm so proud of myself. Yeah, this sucks, but I am winning right now.
- [46:06]
Bex Gentry
Exactly. Yeah. Getting out there, making it work for you and on the days where you really don't want to do it, not beating yourself up about not doing it.
- [46:20]
Michael Chernow
So tell me about a conversation that you have. Like if there's days that you just really don't want to do it.
- [46:25]
Bex Gentry
At this point in my running life, I know that once I'm out there and moving, you know, let's say the first mile might suck. And I'm just, I'm an Aries, I'm stubborn, I'm not gonna turn around and go home and call it quits. I know that it's gonna click in at some point and I will go into autopilot or I will go to Joy. One or the other. I will get it done. I think modifying workouts too is something that maybe because we don't all know, like, I'm a coach. I'm coming at this from 15 years of experience and I can modify my workouts if I really know. Okay, I'm not feeling great today. I shouldn't be doing this. Let's modify it. I still get to move my body, but not at that intensity that was initially prescribed. So I would say to people, if you have a coach, reach out to them, like text them or do what feels good for you on that day. Reel it back if you have. Let's call it a 60 minute run because you just said that and you're feeling a little bit flat. Nothing is going to make you feel good about doing zero minutes. But 15, try 15, set out for 15. Tell yourself what you're going to do. Because I would put money, if I was a betting person, I'd put money on the fact that you'll come home with at least 30. And that's pretty fantastic. If you were initially thinking, I'm just gonna scrap it.
- [47:51]
Michael Chernow
How much does stretching, how important is stretching for running?
- [47:55]
Bex Gentry
Oh, I'm the wrong person to ask about that one. As I'm getting older, it's definitely becoming something I know I need to do more of. I am terrible at stretching. My partner will forever tell the stories of. When I was at the Olympic trials, there was a whole warm up pen for people to go and do their moves, their dynamic warm up mobilization and all of that before the race started. And he just, he was like he was dying because you just weren't doing anything. I was just looking around at people and just like doing, you know, like the walking lunges with the arm in the air and I was just like, watch, doing, copying what other people were doing and just like, oh, okay, we're doing toe touches. Okay, great. I go, I just go. Which is terrible.
- [48:49]
Michael Chernow
So no post workout stretch or anything?
- [48:51]
Bex Gentry
No, I call that my shower. Now I'm doing these challenges. So I'm doing more. Like I do push ups every day. I do. I'm doing wall sits this month as well. So afterwards, yeah, I guess I'm doing a bit more. But no and awful because I tell people on a daily basis to make sure they remember to stretch and I don't. I'm 40 next year, so it might just like whack me and they'll be so stretch.
- [49:16]
Michael Chernow
But stretching was really never a part of your thing.
- [49:19]
Bex Gentry
Never know. I do a huge amount of other recovery, rest and recovery. I use hyperice, you know, pretty much every day. I say, what do you do?
- [49:27]
Michael Chernow
So, okay, use the boots.
- [49:29]
Bex Gentry
I use the boots pretty much every day. I'm a big believer in acupuncture. I like it also because it makes me stop for at least an hour. I'm laying there in complete silence, head to toe, needles in me, just like.
- [49:42]
Michael Chernow
And you find acupuncture to be effective for you?
- [49:44]
Bex Gentry
I do for me, yeah. Whether it's psychosomatic or it actually works, I enjoy it. And I've walked in with pain and injuries and walked out perfectly fine from sessions with my acupuncturist. I love him to pieces. And I sit on my couch a lot. I actually rest. I actually take down time. I put my daughter to bed, we'll tidy the house up and I will sit with the boots on and read, do a little work on the laptop, watch something on TV and just switch off.
- [50:23]
Michael Chernow
Do you take full rest days?
- [50:24]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [50:25]
Michael Chernow
How many of those do you take a week?
- [50:27]
Bex Gentry
One full. Full.
- [50:29]
Michael Chernow
Doing nothing. Nothing.
- [50:30]
Bex Gentry
I mean, as much as you can do with a two year old. Truth. It's not. I'm not a couch potato for the day at all. I'm very much on my feet when she's around because she has the energy of the Tasmanian devil. But I will take another rest day if I want to. Today I'm on my feet. I taught rowing this morning and that's something. It's a new modality that I've been teaching for the past 18. And it was weird initially to be like, oh, I've only. I've rode for 30 minutes today. That's it. That's not a workout. I haven't run and now my mentality is very much like, no, that was a great workout. It was low impact, it was low heart rate. You moved your body well for 30 minutes. You're running around New York all day doing multiple things. That's enough. On your nervous system. Like we were talking about CNS and getting down to that parasympathetic nervous system. It's almost a task. It's so hard to do that living in this city. So I think as I'm getting older, I'm learning about when I elevate my cortisol levels to all these different levels through different things and how if I lived out in the countryside it would be coming back down to the parasympathetic more often. It doesn't here in New York, especially for the kid.
- [51:45]
Michael Chernow
What does your sleep wellness look like? Your sleep wellness?
- [51:48]
Bex Gentry
My sleep's wonderful. I'm a really good sleeper.
- [51:51]
Michael Chernow
That's great. Tell us, do you have a wind down routine?
- [51:56]
Bex Gentry
So at like I think it's about 9 o'clock my phone sort of goes into do not disturb. No alerts come through. So you know, you see you have the little notification thing on the, on the bottom of the screen but it's not flashing up at you, which I love. It sort of. I stopped watching for things coming in or whatever. I definitely, whatever time. It's normally 9, 39, 45 depending on the dogs. Go upstairs and I wash my face. I get myself ready for bed as soon as I can. Like sometimes that's five o'clock and then I'm in my like sweats, you know, face. All done literally with my PJs on underneath a hoodie and sweatpants, ready for bed. And you know, I've got a little girl, like I don't, I don't need to be wearing nice clothes in my house. She's like throwing stuff everywhere. So when I go upstairs it's generally just like dental and I always take a few minutes before I get into it. I don't write it down. I'm not a journaler. I've tried. I don't know why, I just don't. I feel a bit like a fraud when I'm journaling. I'm like, who am I writing this for?
- [53:11]
Michael Chernow
Forcing it.
- [53:12]
Bex Gentry
Yeah. And I know when I'm older I'll regret it and be like, I wish I'd written all that down. But I do take a couple of minutes where I sit on the edge of the bed and do that. Typical like, you know, moisturize my hands, put my lip balm on. I do what every doctor says not to do is I do drink water after I brush my teeth, but it's just what I do. And I always take a minute to just in my brain just give thanks for my day, for my strengths and for my weaknesses of that day and lay down and go to bed and it's very, I'm very slow in the evening, very like, you know, on a different level. I had to lay out early on with my partner of my job is intense. When we have members in the room, I'm talking to them and regardless whether they're in the room or not, I'm Entertaining people whilst I'm running for an hour and that's a lot of energy expenditures. When I come home, if I'm starting to go down in my energy levels, let me go down. Don't like spike me back up because I like that. Slow down into bed. And I'm not a big. I don't have a. I'm not like a t post pre sleep sort of thing. I often take magnesium before bed. That does really help me sleep. But yeah, I'm a really good sleeper.
- [54:36]
Michael Chernow
So do you sleep? Do you track your sleep too?
- [54:39]
Bex Gentry
I used to when I was trying to get pregnant and then we went through pregnancy loss and then really got into tracking like my hormones and my sleep with Oura ring and I've actually just started doing it again, which is good. And then when I was training last year and throughout the race, I normally take my watch off. I try. Our bedroom is a no technology zone. So I just. That applies to watches because it's Bluetooth that's like transmitting stuff and I don't.
- [55:09]
Michael Chernow
So you keep. You keep it out for like EMFs and stuff like that.
- [55:12]
Bex Gentry
Yeah, they have the little plugins in Tallulah's room and that is new technology in her room. But just in case in her room and in our room. So yeah, I don't keep this on anymore. But I did while I was training because I was very interested to see like my hrv. I was very interested to see how my body was reacting.
- [55:30]
Michael Chernow
What is your hrv?
- [55:31]
Bex Gentry
Oh my gosh. Right. I don't know. Right now I honestly couldn't tell you. I'd have to look back on what it was in training because I haven't worn this overnight since November last year.
- [55:41]
Michael Chernow
Oh, yeah. So once HRV is so interesting.
- [55:44]
Bex Gentry
It. It's a bit of a mind F. Totally.
- [55:50]
Michael Chernow
And there are some people that genetically sort of have these super high HRVs.
- [55:56]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [55:57]
Michael Chernow
You know, like my HRV is consistently between 40 and 60. Never breaches 60. Ever, ever. Rarely.
- [56:05]
Bex Gentry
I was going to say mine. I was. My first number that came to mind was like 62, 64. But I was like, is that right? I don't know. That feels high. But the load I was doing back then, maybe. But it's also one thing I find I love tracking because I'm a. I am a nerd. When I'm in deep into training, I'm a complete numbers nerd. But there will be nights where I feel great, like I slept well and then my wearable would tell me otherwise and that plays with me.
- [56:34]
Michael Chernow
Totally.
- [56:35]
Bex Gentry
And I don't like that.
- [56:36]
Michael Chernow
Totally.
- [56:36]
Bex Gentry
So I, When I was training for the great world race, I wouldn't look at my stats till after my workout. I'd go, I still be like, I feel. Oops, I feel good. So I'm going to look at all of those, the sleep stats, once I've completed my workout.
- [56:49]
Michael Chernow
It's really interesting that you, you know, you could feel great and then you'll look and, you know, I mean, I'm such a nerd for the data. I just am. I like, I've got like an eight sleep mattress that tells me I've got a Garmin watch that I wear when I sleep that tells me I've got my whoop that tells me. And I'm like looking at all these numbers and that's a lot. It's a lot. And you know, the truth is, is that like, I don't, I don't actually wear them all to be able to see where the numbers are. Although maybe I do. I don't know. I probably obsess over it a little bit, you know?
- [57:26]
Bex Gentry
Yeah, we can all go down that. I mean, I obsess over my pace when I'm running. So.
- [57:32]
Michael Chernow
This was such a fun conversation. I'm so grateful that you came today. It is a nasty day in New York.
- [57:39]
Bex Gentry
It's vile.
- [57:39]
Michael Chernow
It's a nasty day in New York. Like getting out there in the slush and the sleet.
- [57:43]
Bex Gentry
I'm proud of you. That's really good. That's like. Yeah, I'd be on the tread today for sure.
- [57:50]
Michael Chernow
So, yeah, I mean, it was one of those pre bed, you know, decisions pre bed.
- [57:57]
Bex Gentry
We didn't even talk about setting ourselves up for success.
- [57:59]
Michael Chernow
Oh, yeah, let's do it.
- [58:02]
Bex Gentry
Yes.
- [58:03]
Michael Chernow
So you may. I mean, we were talking back there and you had mentioned something that I hadn't really. Owning creatures of habit for, you know, the last three and a half years. Like, I hadn't really thought that the habit of making meal one is setting you up for success the next day. And that's something that you had mentioned to me.
- [58:23]
Bex Gentry
Yeah, it really is. So hearing your story on the Rich Roll podcast was like the first time I really heard your story. I knew of you within the world. But like, that conversation was so open and wonderful and like riches Richard gets that out of people for sure. And just hearing how you talked about your mentor, saying the things that got you through your addiction and to the pathway at that point to becoming a stronger person was waking up and doing XYZ prayers, movement and Making your awesome oatmeal at the time, which was your creation in your recipe. And I think once I started using it in my world was like, hold on, this is so strange because I'm not creating it in the morning. It's not part of my morning habit. So I'm not kind of like Michael in that respect. Like, I'm not. It's not there. I'm eating it in the morning and like, you know, there's that weird, like, yeah, it worked for him, it's gonna work for me. But what I found was it brought me success the night before because I felt so good mixing it up in my little Tupperware, popping it in the fridge, and I went to bed feeling I'd already given myself a leg up on my next day. I was prepared. And I didn't tell you this. I was going to tell you this in the green room, but I think I would have bonked in Antarctica without Creatures of habit in the great World Race. Because I took seven packets with me for the seven races. I knew there was going to be food, so this was like my backup in case the food was awful. Fall on the plane. I knew it worked for me. Before long runs, I was like, I've got all else fails. I've got my creative habit stuff with me. And I think it was like 9:00 at night. We were leaving at 4:00am in the morning, and I'm finishing Paki and I see and I just see it and I'm like, I call down to reception. They must have thought I was insane. Like, I need one cup of almond milk. That's it. It's all I wanted from room service. They're like, okay. So they bring that up in a bowl. I mix it up. And I didn't even have a fridge in the room, so I put it right. The air conditioning vent.
- [60:41]
Michael Chernow
Oh, my God, that's incredible.
- [60:43]
Bex Gentry
And I had it first thing in the morning. And I just was like, okay, this is maybe comfort. Maybe I'm doing this because I know that it set me up for some really great runs in my training. And so it's setting me up for a really great run. And lo and behold, Michael, the food on the plane to Antarctica, I couldn't eat. It was awful. And it had a couple of allergens in. It had slipped through. Some of my allergens had slipped through. So I was like, if I hadn't have had my creatures of habit and believe that it set me up the night before for the next day, I wouldn't have eaten anything. And so thank you.
- [61:22]
Michael Chernow
Let's go. That's it. I love it.
- [61:25]
Bex Gentry
So we're reframing it. As much as it started your day and helped you on that path 20 years ago, now it's helping people the night before their days.
- [61:33]
Michael Chernow
You know, it's just so, like, my career was started in the restaurant business, and I opened up a ton of restaurants in New York City. And I went from opening up a bunch of restaurants in New York City, like, on TV and doing all this crazy cool shit to literally selling oatmeal. Right? Like, that's what I do now.
- [61:49]
Bex Gentry
You're so upstate.
- [61:50]
Michael Chernow
I'm so upset. I have. I have. Well, I do have Birkenstocks, but I have. I wear. What are these things called? These things are called. What are these things called again?
- [62:00]
Bex Gentry
Your boots?
- [62:01]
Michael Chernow
Blundstones. Because everybody upstate wears Blundstones.
- [62:03]
Bex Gentry
Yeah.
- [62:04]
Michael Chernow
And I make oatmeal for a living. But, you know, it's not the oatmeal. Right? It's these little wins that. And it doesn't matter how successful you are in your life, how. How. How much accomplishment you've had in your life or not. It's. We are wired to want to win. And like you said, it's not about winning the race. It's about the feeling of a win internally that potentially just generates this little smile inside. Right. That gets you to the next win. And so, I mean, I'm so happy that meal one got you through the race in Antarctica. That's a big win. That's a big one. But it's really this idea that, like, I know selling a habit is so hard. I can't sell you going to bed early. I can't sell you waking up early. I can't sell you putting on your running sneakers. I can't sell you not eating the three slices of pizza. But this one little thing I've been able to figure out a way to package with a big message that says this little win could be the thing that just gets you to the next one.
- [63:21]
Bex Gentry
Yep. You know, it worked for me.
- [63:23]
Michael Chernow
There he is. There. There it is. You're. You're awesome. And I can't thank you enough for coming and joining us on the podcast.
- [63:29]
Bex Gentry
Thank you.
- [63:30]
Michael Chernow
Where can everybody find you?
- [63:31]
Bex Gentry
You can find me on Instagram at Beck's Gentry, or you can come run with me at Peloton.
- [63:36]
Michael Chernow
Awesome. You're the best. Thanks, Bex. Well, another good one. I appreciate you guys tuning in. I appreciate you guys being on this journey with us. Lots of awesome tidbits, little pieces that you can throw in your back pocket today and hopefully put a smile on your face. This podcast means the world to me, as you know. I would love if you shared this thing with friends. I would love if you. If you. If you shared the podcast. If you're not subscribed, hit the subscribe button. Hit the like button. Share the podcast with a friend, a family member. Share it with someone that you think potentially would love to hear this episode. I love you guys. I appreciate you guys. Until the next one, y'all.
- [64:24]
Bex Gentry
Peace.