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Seth Greenberg
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Matt Jones
Welcome back. Our number two Kentucky Sports Radio, 859-280-2287 now joined on the phone by ESPN's Jay Williams, former Duke basketball player, which is really his most negative quality but otherwise good. Jay, how are you?
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Caller
What's up, mj? I saw, I caught some, some random strays the other day.
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Matt Jones
Well, you're just throwing, you just throwing curse bombs on Twitter. What was that about?
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Caller
It was just an F with a whole bunch of stars. Nobody cares.
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Matt Jones
Okay, well, I guess. Is that what we were saying? All right. So, so Jay, I think the easiest way to start this is I want the clip that's kind of in question. And then I just want you to say what you meant or what you think how I, how we should have interpreted what you said. Okay. So here's the clip we'll play right here. This is what you said, I think Saturday on the college game day.
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Caller
Consistent. The last three games they've led by nine points or more at half in the first half. You know, look, this is Arkansas again. All the things that you said and Jay Billis said are correct. They have to get tougher, learn how to close out games. They pencil lie athlete better. Like yo, every time you're playing, you're in a national spotlight and the biggest microphone is Big Blue Nation. Let's keep it a buck. So like every time John Calipari fails, he's going to go viral. Everybody on Big Blue Nation is going to say, you see those offensive lapses that they have? You see that lack of toughness? This is what we experience for our time here at Big Blue Nation in Kentucky. And it makes life difficult. And he's the biggest talking point we're going to have or one of the biggest talking points in this sport. So look, John Calipari understands that, Seth. It's the life that comes along with the territory of being Calipari and making that in conference move and then having that received nil budget. It's what comes along with it. He's going to handle it. I think he's going to be okay. It's just going to be a fight.
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Matt Jones
You think it's too much for the fight? All right, so there's two parts here. First, the part that sort of seems to say that because of us, we're making Caliperi's job more difficult. Is that how you meant it or no?
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Caller
No. I mean. Well, first off, you know, mj, how long have you and I known each other?
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Matt Jones
Long time. Long time.
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Caller
If I felt that Big Blue Nation was just the only thing making life difficult, I would have just said it. Do you think I. I am hesitant at all? Just telling people how I feel, regardless of whether people hate me or not, I honestly don't care. The only opinions that really matter to me are my wife and my kids and my job. You know, that's number one.
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Matt Jones
So what did you mean then? What did you mean?
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Caller
I mean exactly what I said. I mean, look, I'm a fan of sports teams. Like, you know, I'm a fan of the New York Giants. You don't think every time I sit there and I see Joe Shane with his kid and his kids, like, draft Jaden Daniels and his dad laughs it off, that doesn't hurt me or I don't feel some type of way about it? That's just the real world that we live.
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Matt Jones
If you're a Giants fan, Joe Shane is the GM of the Giants. Cal's not the coach here. What do you mean about the fact that we have a microphone? How does that change Cal's job?
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Caller
Mj, it doesn't change his job. I mean, first off it. But to act like that's not what really happens. So are you claiming that every time Cal does lose, a lot of fans from Big Blue Nation do talk about it on social media?
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Matt Jones
Of course. Yes, of course. But what does that have to do with him losing? Like, the conversation was, why is he not being successful? What do we have to do with that?
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Caller
Well, I didn't say that you guys have anything to do with that. I think you're being overly sensitive towards it. And first off, I know you don't speak for everybody in Blue Nation. I knew Big Blue Nation is a whole bunch of people. It's not monolithic. My point was, and what I said precisely was that every time he loses people in Big Blue Nation, let him hear about it. That's a really big thing when Mick Cronin loses, other than when he goes viral. Does anybody talk about it? No.
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Matt Jones
Okay, but, but I don't know. Okay, I, I agree with you. I agree with you. We do talk about it. We do talk about it. But so what? So what? What does that have to do with how he's performing?
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Caller
It has nothing to do with how he's performing. It's just a reality of the world that we live in. Right. It's like if you, you guys are the most powerful fan base there is in the country.
- [07:23]
Matt Jones
Oh, thank you.
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Caller
Do you, do you confirm that thought?
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Matt Jones
Oh, yes, certainly online, but probably in general.
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Caller
Okay, so within college sports. Within college basketball. Okay, I will say that.
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Matt Jones
So no, in college, it's. In college basketball. There are some football ones that are like that too. But college basketball, yes, of course.
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Caller
So when Big Blue Nation is passionate about something, are you stating that you undermine the passion of.
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Matt Jones
I'm not undermining, but again, the conversation, that conversation you all were having was about why this year has gone bad for Cal. I just don't know what that has to do with us.
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Caller
Yeah, but see this, this is what happens when you play a clip. Did you hear what Jay Billis said? Did you hear like they gave all reasons on my. Cal was having a bad year? And then what I did is I said JB and Andrea, you guys are correct. Here's also another point that is really real about it. I don't understand why that feels like Big Blue Nation is being attacked because you guys. Well, I don't think you were attacked.
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Matt Jones
Here's what I think and you tell me if I'm wrong. Here's what I.
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Caller
When I, When I. The other day. Hold on, mj. When I jumped on the Internet the other day and I hear you talk, I was part of like, I am a Cal apologist and I'm.
- [08:34]
Matt Jones
No, no, I don't believe you're a Cow apologist. Totally. I think Seth is and I've told him that here. But let's go to the second part of that clip we played. You said Cal will take care of it, I'm sure. Let me give you a second clip. This is what you said on ESPN on first Take the. When it, when people, after Kentucky lost to Oakland, before Cow had left for Arkansas, here were your comments about the Kentucky fans and the job. Go ahead.
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Caller
I just want to say it out loud and very slowly so we can let it all just marinate.
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Matt Jones
Marinate.
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Caller
John Calipari, the second all time winningest coach in Kentucky basketball history, has left Kentucky basketball for Arkansas. That's all I'm saying here. Yes. Like So I. Everybody's going to say, well, you know, this is a great move. Who y'all going to replace him with?
- [09:32]
Matt Jones
Okay, so somebody added all that stuff, but who are you all going to replace him with? Do you now think clearly you thought we'd get worse, Arkansas would get better. Do you now think maybe that was incorrect?
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Caller
Yeah, but, Matt, I'm okay with being wrong. Yeah, I was. I didn't.
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Matt Jones
Okay, so you do think you were wrong.
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Caller
Yeah, for sure. I talk on TV for four hours a day. We get it wrong. We're all humans. I didn't know who Arkansas at the time, I didn't know who big lunation was going to replace John Calipari with. Mark Pope has been an incredible replacement. He's. He's exceeded expectations in his first year. So, yeah, I openly admit I didn't know who they were going to replace him with.
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Matt Jones
So here's where. Here's where UK fans get upset, Jake. Here's where they get upset. And it's not just.
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Caller
I actually don't speak for all UK fans.
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Matt Jones
No. But I think I speak for a group of them. And a lot of people listening would agree. Not all, but a lot. Here's what I think makes a lot of our fan base, Matt, the national media. That's an example with that clip of you. Seth has many, but there are many others I could give you of people who've said this. They always act like Kentucky fans are the problem. We ran Cal off that somehow, if we don't have Cal or if we didn't have Rick or if we didn't have Tubby, name the coach that this program is going to go in the toilet. And we get lectured about it all the time, about our expectations, about how we need to be reasonable when our expectations are part of why it's Kentucky. And I think our fan base does not like, at least a lot of them do not like national media members lecturing us on what we should expect and then being wrong in the end.
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Caller
Matt, you know, one thing I'm going to say that your show is really good at is that you guys take sound bites of things and that turns into larger narratives. So what I will say, and you are right in your assessment. Just let me confirm this. You are right in your assessment, but I also would challenge you on the things that people have said, including myself, that have gone against the grain on Caliperi. Those things never get amplified on each other.
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Matt Jones
Like what?
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Caller
Like so, like I've said multiple times during his run, they're like, yo, you got to win championships. That's what big blue nation expects. You're not winning championships. The age of one and done. Like we've had conversations on national TV about yo all these one and dones. Like that's not working. Yeah. This year may have felt to be a little bit older. Like there are. I said actually on that clip before you play that when Seth cut me off because Seth was talking about, you know, cow that line when Seth was like, well, you know, cow hasn't forgotten how to coach. I literally said, well, there you're talking about in game adjustment, Seth.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, no, you did say that. I heard you say that and I heard you say that. I didn't cut the clip, just so you know. So that's why I hear you.
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Caller
Well, we're boys, we're talking. But I do feel like from a national media perspective, all of a sudden like everything just gets clipped as if this is what.
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Matt Jones
Okay, but you did say. I get it. But you did say. And you said it not just that time. There's a couple other times you went on shows. I didn't want to play all of them. But you did sort of take the view of I don't know if Kentucky gets rid of Cal. If Kentucky gets rid of they will be worse off and that.
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Caller
No, no. Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt. I challenge you find a clip where I say they will be worse off.
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Matt Jones
Okay.
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Caller
Where we're really good at media.
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Matt Jones
All right, Maybe. Okay, so you thought. So when you say who are you going to get? Okay, but Jay.
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Caller
Matt. This is your show, Matt. You talk for four hours. Let me come on your show and be a guest, brother.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, go ahead.
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Caller
That's really smart. I did never on any show come off and say they will be worse. My question exactly was I who would they replace him with? Now I asked the question. I was wrong. But this is the type of stuff I'm talking about, Matt. Like that's called sensationalism and you're good at it. I never said they were going to be worse off. I never put down BBN Nation in that degree.
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Matt Jones
Fair enough. If you didn't think they were going to be be worse, then I trust you. I'm not saying you didn't. I feel like I saw a clip where you said that, but I could be wrong. But you did say who either priced me and you leaned into the camera kind of like, come on now. Who are you all going to get? Would you agree that Calipari in the last five years at Kentucky and then of course this year that there has been a steady and precipitous decline.
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Caller
Factual. Yes, I would agree. And I love.
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Matt Jones
Why do you think that's happened?
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Caller
I think. Well, first off, I think the challenge with the ad calling the bluff is a real thing at Kentucky. I think that.
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Matt Jones
But it's not the ad's fault. It's not the 80s fault. But. What do you mean? It's the 80s challenge.
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Caller
But. But Matt, you, you. You are really good at chiming in over the top of something and then reclaiming what I said. That's not what I said. I said that the ad called his bluff and I thought was the right thing. Like. Like I never said that it was the ad's fault. So I'm seeing a pattern here of you doing that multiple times. And I don't know if it's to try to put me in a corner to react, but that's not what I'm saying.
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Matt Jones
But when I ask you why is it a precipitous decline? The first answer is the ad. Why is it Cal? What responsibility does John Calipari have?
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Caller
He has all the responsibility. 100% of it. It's John Calipari. Like, I'm not living in the world and making excuses. I never said I never. Not making excuses for Cal. I mean, that comes along with the territory of being John Calipari and missing the boat sometimes with the way things rhythms and, you know, rotations and how they're established. Like, I'm not calling in to butcher John Calipari. He is no longer the head coach of Kentucky basketball. He has his own problems at Arkansas. He made that decision. That's on him. I think Kentucky has gotten better. I think Mark Pope brings in a new energy. I think what he's done with all these transfer and the transfer portal. He's got these guys to buy in, which is significantly difficult to do in today's age. And I'm giving all the praise and credit to Kentucky basketball for it. They deserve it.
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Matt Jones
Okay. Do you. And I believe that. And let me just say I think in general you are one of the better announcers towards the big blue nation. I actually get for someone who didn't go here. I actually give you credit for that. But can you see how Kentucky fans would feel? I'm of the belief that the college basketball announcing community is loathe to. To criticize coaches. Even you right there said, I'm not here to bury on Caliper. I don't see that in other sports. You guys protect coaches, but you will not.
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Caller
You personally Again, once it. Once. I just want to make. I just want to clarify again, Matt, and you can finish your point. This is not a monolithic. Monolithic thing. Like, it's not you guys. So.
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Matt Jones
Well, you said at the end of.
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Caller
Your comments, Cronin, well, you should go after Mick Cronin. I've gone after Rick Patino. I've gone after other coaches.
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Matt Jones
So why won't you say that Cal has. Why don't you. I don't say go after because that makes it sound like it's personal. But why won't these guys, you included, say John Calipari is not the same coach he was in 2019 and not in the sentence with. But he will turn it around. What evidence do we have of that?
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Caller
There's no evidence that he won't either. Is that fair?
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Matt Jones
Well, six straight years. Six straight years of winning one NCAA tournament game.
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Caller
Okay. I mean, but like, once again, like, I've gone on national TV and like, do you want me to say that I think Cal has lost it? I'm going to wait to see how this year pans out and this year pans out in this first year. Then I, I would have to be critical. I mean, I did not come into the season expecting Arkansas to be at the bottom of the sec, even though it's the best conference in the nation at all. I think what we're seeing right now from Arkansas is not at the level Arkansas basketball needs to be at flat, period. Like, nobody's making excuses about that. It's been bad. It's been horrifically bad thus far in fcc.
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Matt Jones
Do you. And I'll finish with this because you have been very nice to come on here and I do. Jay, I don't want you to think I'm not trying to.
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Caller
You and I are boys. We're just.
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Matt Jones
We are. We've. We've all spot right now.
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Caller
I love.
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Matt Jones
I, I do, too. And which is why I like you that you will. You will do this, agree or disagree with this statement. Cal has friends in the media, and thus they. And by the way, so do a lot of coaches that they are thus. Whereas, like, Mick Cronin is not friends with the media, so it's easier to attack him because Cal is friends with a lot of these guys. They have been overlooking and protecting consistent problems for a long period of time and not calling it out. And thus, you know, when people do, they are then painted as being unreasonable. Do you agree or disagree with that?
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Caller
Can we, can we just. Well, I disagree with that.
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Matt Jones
Okay.
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Caller
But can, can we call it.
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You.
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You are referring to Seth.
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Matt Jones
No, no, it's not just Seth. It's not just Seth. Although.
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Caller
Then let me know. Who else are you referring to?
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Matt Jones
Well, I mean, honestly. Honestly, Jay, respectfully, I would also say you. Because you said.
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Caller
You just said that I've been. You just said 5 minutes ago that I have been pro BBN out of most.
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Matt Jones
You are probably BBN, but you also will. You also, though, when you said. And I'll leave. I don't. I'll leave it at this. When you looked into the camera. When you looked into the camera on first take. When you looked into the camera on first take and said. And said, who are you going to get? You know what that was? You know what you meant by that?
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Caller
Okay, so let's just. Let's just talk about my character for a second because that seems to be in question with you and me being critical on coaches. Do you think I. Do you think I met. Let's be honest about, like, when I go to Big Blue Nation, if I get booed, do you think I care?
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Matt Jones
No, I think you love it because it's good for your brand.
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Caller
No, wait, wait, wait. If you think. If I get cheer, do I care either way?
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Matt Jones
I think you lie. Everybody likes to get cheered. Yeah.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Caller
But I've been. I've been. I've played against Kentucky before. I've been booed.
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Matt Jones
Like, you were good in that game, too. You were way too good. It makes me mad how good you were.
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Caller
Keith Vogans is my boy. That goes way back for us.
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Matt Jones
That was the Rashad Carruth game where he barked at you all.
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Caller
I want to. Yeah. Now you're bringing me back. I don't want to bring out that Jay. But, like, so when Grayson. And I'm only going to give this example because I say how I feel. And for some reason on this show with you right now, you are interpreting my years of work, even though you haven't heard all the things I've said. Because we have two clips that I don't say anything critical of Tao. I don't. I don't use the word attack. You can be critical, right? I criticize my own coach. Coach K. With Grace Noun. I was not allowed to go to practices at Duke. I think if anything holds warrant to my character and how fair and objective I am to certain things. And I'm not saying that your comment isn't right. A lot of coaches have friends. Cal has a lot of friends. He's very personable. Maybe that has inhibited some people of saying what's really been going on. But if I've been able to criticize my own head coach, a place where my jersey hangs and I go back to all the time because I have a home in Durham. Let's not question my objectivity. I might go into things sometimes. I, I was wrong about who y'all, who you guys were gonna get. I was wrong about that.
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Matt Jones
And that's. I appreciate you saying. I appreciate you saying that. And ultimately, we all make mistakes. If I had a list of all the things I said that was wrong, we'd be here all day. I just like when people sort of own up to it and you did, and that's all you can ask. And, and by the way, you've always been nice to me and I appreciate it and I look forward to talking to you again soon. Are you guys going to be in Lexington at.
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Caller
I mean, we better be in Lexington. I mean, I don't know what. I know what our schedule.
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Matt Jones
I don't know if Seth will get the greatest reception when you come. Just for the record, by the way.
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Caller
If he doesn't, then I'm gonna have the camera on. It's gonna be in live camera action. Because you need to come on the show then.
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Matt Jones
Because I'd love to come on. Hey, Jay, thank you very much for taking the time and doing this and coming in. I hope you're doing well.
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Caller
You got it, man. You too, brother.
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Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
Welcome back Kentucky Sports Radio. So Shannon, if Ryan was here, there's.
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Seth Greenberg
A 100% chance he would have been hiding under the table, wouldn't he? I love it. I thought it was very entertaining.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I was watching you. You smiled the whole time.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
So what were your thoughts on it?
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Seth Greenberg
Well, you sensationalizing journalists. I think that's what he said. You're very good at sensationalizing everything. You know, I felt like at first you guys were kind of talking in circles. I was a little confused by some of the things that he said. But, you know, I know he said a lot of things that we as Kentucky fans don't love, but I love Jay Williams. I actually do.
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Matt Jones
I do too. I actually really like him a lot. And I, the only part that worried me at all is when he said attacking his. I'm not attacking his character at all. I think he's, I think he's like a good dude. I think these people, it's sort of like, I think these people sort of, they say things and they say them in the moment and then you say it and then it's like when you bring up later. Now, to his credit, he said I was wrong.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
But there is certainly Always been an implication that BBN is a little crazy. And that was my point. When he leaned in and said, who you gonna get? We know what he meant, which is they're not gonna be as good. And I wish he just owned that. And he did and said he was, that he was wrong. And that's, that's good.
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Seth Greenberg
And if we're being honest, I said that myself for a long time, who are we gonna get that's any better? I'm glad though, he came out, he owned it. Like you said, he acknowledged he was wrong and he's right about another thing. I mean, when you're on the air for that long, for four hours, no, you're gonna say so you gotta have a take. And sometimes that takes gonna be really wrong.
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Matt Jones
And I don't think people do give enough leeway for that. Yeah, I, first of all, I do think he likes Big Blue Nation. I also think though notice even here he's like, they still won't say like that maybe, I mean, first question, why do you think cows performing like this? He brings up the ad.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah, yeah. Which, you know, I don't know what that has to do with him.
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Matt Jones
Well, when he. I don't think it was Jay, but it was somebody else that when, when the thing separ. And the first comment was, well, the ads not giving him the support. Well, I can tell you that was like what Caliperi was telling everybody.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Was happening. So Mitch Barnhart doesn't call those people. So they're not going to get his side of it. Right.
- [27:17]
Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
But the one thing I like about. Well, I like many things about Jay, but he will always be entertaining and he doesn't take any of the disagreements personally. He's already texted me the fire emoji multiple times. So I know he is very happy.
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Seth Greenberg
About the big person to come on and go like that and be combative on the ERA and still not take it personal.
- [27:39]
Matt Jones
And that's what I, that's what I like. People who will go at it and not take it personal.
- [27:45]
Seth Greenberg
Right.
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Matt Jones
Which is which I do really like about him. All right, so I went long on the first segment, so we're going to have to take another break here. 859-280-2287. We will take your calls. Be right back. It's Kentucky Sports Radio.
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Welcome back. Tech Sports Radio. Text machine lighting up Shannon.
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Seth Greenberg
Oh, yeah, that's what you like to see, right. Interview.
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Matt Jones
Seems like the vast majority of you were really entertained by the interview there. I'll give you a couple comments both ways. One person was right, goes, Matt, you talked over him like you tend to do. I don't know why you do that. You should let people answer. You're. I did talk over him maybe slightly more than I wanted to, but I also will say people want you to get to the heart of questions, and you can't do that unless you talk over people. Because if you just let people like Jay's. J. Jay's could be a politician. Right? Like, he, like, he's good at, like, redeflecting and so you have to stay on that. So. But yes, I mean, I certainly do talk over people because you're trying to make a show and getting to answer the question, which, to his credit, I think he did. Another person writes, I like Jay, but he's acting like he didn't mean what he meant, which was, we wouldn't be as good without cow as we ended up being.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
- [29:14]
Matt Jones
And he finally said that. But that was what he meant by that comment.
- [29:18]
Seth Greenberg
At first. We played that clipping goes, I didn't mean that. And then like a minute later he goes, I meant exactly what I said. That's why I was like, well, wait a minute. That. That's confusing. I don't understand what he's. What he's saying then.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. So, you know. But I do think, like I said, I think he's great. And I thought if there was a piece of news that came out of that is that he was banned for. From Duke's practices.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah, I didn't know that.
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Matt Jones
I didn't know that either. I don't know that. That. I don't know that that's ever even been said before. I would think, Shannon, I. I'm not sure that that has ever been said before. Do you?
- [29:52]
Seth Greenberg
Probably not. I don't know, like, in what context or what show he would say that on.
- [29:56]
Matt Jones
I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't know that.
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Seth Greenberg
I don't think you just tweet that out, everybody.
- [30:02]
Matt Jones
I don't. But that is really interesting because, you know, he and Coach K, I think, always did have. I think. I'm sure he re. I know he respects Coach K, but they did have a little bit of a tense relationship in some of his years afterwards, probably based on television. I think Jay Billis and Coach K have had that as well. It's. That's a tough thing. For somebody who played, I grant you, if you played for a coach, to have to then talk about them, Shannon, that would be really, really hard.
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Seth Greenberg
Yep. Put you in a tough situation. Kind of like we were talking about earlier, being friends with somebody and then you have to go and be critical of them. It can't be easy.
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Caller
He.
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Matt Jones
He was. Dude. If you're just talking about college basketball players, he is one of the best of my lifetime. Like, I'm trying to think who are the best college, just college only players of my lifetime. I'm going to start in like 1990, because I don't know the 80s guys well enough. Like your Patrick Ewings. Although they were great.
- [30:58]
Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
I hate to say it, but Lightner is one of them. Anthony Davis is one of them. Kevin Durant is one of them. Trey Young at that year at Oklahoma was insane.
- [31:17]
Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
- [31:18]
Matt Jones
John Wall, Jay Williams. Jay Williams was a beast in college. Shane Battier was really, really good in college. Trying to think about a Yukon guy, a Mecca Okafor was a great college player. Like a great college player. Who am I missing here? I mean, if you're just talking about dudes that you were like, oh, shot.
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Seth Greenberg
Was pretty damn good.
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Matt Jones
Well, first of all, the early 90s.
- [31:48]
Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Larry Johnson at UNLV. Shaq is great. That's a great one. Chris Weber at Michigan and Leitner and Mashburn. Those five dudes I just mentioned, Shannon, they all played at the same time.
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Seth Greenberg
Those five guys, That's a pretty good list.
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Matt Jones
That's a pretty amazing list sitting here. Also thinking about Jerry Stackhouse when he was at North Carolina, was a dude. As much as I hate to say it though, the best college player of my lifetime, at least 1990 on, is probably Christian Lightner.
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Seth Greenberg
It's painful to say, huh?
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Matt Jones
I mean, would you say somebody else? I mean, part of it is he played four years.
- [32:42]
Seth Greenberg
Yeah, right. Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Won two titles. And the thing about that Kentucky game, dude, he went 10 for 10 from the field and 10 for 10 from the line. And if he misses one of those shots, Shannon, we win.
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Seth Greenberg
Right? Yeah. It's tough to pick. That's a. That's a tough argument to say that somebody was better than Jay was up there.
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Matt Jones
Bradley, go ahead. Bradley.
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Caller
Hey, good morning. I just thought it was important to point out too, that for Kentucky fans, after the last five years that we've had with Cal Perry, and I'm not rooting for him to fail at all, I've been. I was appreciative of what he did while he was there, but this year, him not doing so well and us exceeding expectations has been kind of cathartic as a Kentucky fan, I believe.
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Matt Jones
Yes. Now it won't be as cathartic if we lose in a week and a half. It would be pretty un. That would be terrible. But for right now, I think you're right. Appreciate the call because I think. All right, so I was critiquing Jay and the national media about what they were going to say. Shannon, There was a part of all of us that was still nervous. It would work out right, with Pope?
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Seth Greenberg
Absolutely, yes.
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Matt Jones
Or just that, like, Cal might go there and go to the Final Four this year.
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Seth Greenberg
Yep.
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Matt Jones
Wasn't there a part of us that was. I'll admit there was a little part of me that was like, oh, what if he goes there and kills it?
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Seth Greenberg
None of us thought he was going to go and have the type of season he's having right now. I didn't think there was any scenario because, I mean, he took the roster that you had at Kentucky, add in a few freshmen that were going to come to Kentucky, and.
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Matt Jones
And the thing you have to remember is that would have been our roster here.
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Seth Greenberg
Yep. That's. That would have been.
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Matt Jones
What would this play place have been like if we were oh and five?
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Seth Greenberg
They would have been ready to fire him midseason. I mean, a lot of fans ready to fire them. You know, last year, can you imagine.
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Matt Jones
How toxic this place would have been if we were owing 5? Oh, my goodness. Brandon, Go ahead. Brandon.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah. I was just wondering what the chances you think of Kentucky making it to a Final Four within, like, the next five years would be high.
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Matt Jones
Very high in the next five years. Yeah, I would say, yeah. 80. 80% to make a final four in the next five years. Yeah. Because they've got a shot to make one this year. They got a shot. So if you're telling me, I think every team we have in the. In the future will be as talented, if not more than this one. So. Yeah, I think, for sure.
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Seth Greenberg
Okay, thanks.
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Matt Jones
Appreciate the call. Do you agree with that?
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah. I mean, I know that Pope hasn't won an NCAA tournament game, but he's never had a roster and been at Kentucky and had the opportunity. It's a little bit different when you're at BYU versus at Kentucky, so. Yeah, I mean, I think that he's got a legit chance.
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Matt Jones
Blake Griffin. That's a good one.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
People forget how good Blake Griffin was in Oklahoma. Zion.
- [35:37]
Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
It's easy to think about Zion being, you know, what he is now. But, dude, he was. He had some games at Duke where it was just insane what he could do.
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Seth Greenberg
Steph Curry in the tournament that, that.
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Matt Jones
Last year in the tournament. But I don't remember watching him a ton in the, like in the regular season.
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Seth Greenberg
He wasn't really on anybody's radar until the tournament.
- [35:56]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if. I'm sure he was on some people's radar. That was a time I wasn't following college basketball. I mean, I was doing the Blob, but I was really into Kentucky. But in the tournament. That tournament run is. Is legendary. David, go ahead. David.
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Caller
Hey.
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Hey, Matt. Great interview.
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Matt Jones
Thank you, sir.
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Caller
I'm doing fine. And. And I was gonna. I was gonna remind you to remind Jay that Taysha did not foul him in that last play in 2001.
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Matt Jones
That was a great game in New Jersey. I was in law school that year. I wanted him to win so much, David. And we lost. And that was Rashad Khrush barking at the thing, and that was a heck of a game.
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Seth Greenberg
He didn't want to talk about that.
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Matt Jones
He must not like Rashad Cruz. He was quick to. He was quick to change the subject on that one, but go ahead, David.
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Caller
Yeah, I was. I'm. I was one wondering about if you could add a Cal Fire to this year's team, not a former Cal Fire, what would it be?
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Matt Jones
What this year's team could really use. Well, I appreciate the call. Well, I would, of course, Shannon, add Anthony. Dave. I would add Anthony Davis. Team, any team, but especially this team. You put these shooters around Anthony Davis, forget it. We're not losing a game.
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Seth Greenberg
That's it. I mean, you don't need to add any more shooters. You've already got a roster built around that. You need somebody inside that's just a great defender. That's Anthony Davis.
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Matt Jones
So Anthony Davis is the answer. Even like a Willie Collie sty. Cause Willie was a good passer and he was at that high post thing. Like, I think that would work. So I'd want number one, a rim protector. And then number two, I'd want a really good player who was really good on defense but could still shoot out on the perimeter. So like a case in Wallace or something like that.
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Seth Greenberg
I'll give you one more. Now, he may clog the lane and it may change things a little bit, but how would you not want a guy that can get you 20 rebounds a night and kick it back out for another three?
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Matt Jones
And Oscar, I don't know, though. I mean, Oscar would help, obviously. He would fix the rebounding.
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Seth Greenberg
Yep.
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Matt Jones
But I don't know about the clog in the lane because this is still a group that needs space. So I don't know. But Anthony Davis is going to be the answer most of the time. Hey, if you're exercising more, being healthier and saving more money, these may be your New Year's resolutions. But how about also making sure you're not in pain? Court Physical therapy has been Kentucky Ann's leader in physical therapy for more than 30 years. Whether you're a chronic resolution breaker or someone who's serious about making a lifestyle change towards better health, Court can help you be pain free on your way to achieving your goals. To begin care go to court.com that's k o r t.com we'll take a break. Come back KSR it is playoff time. That's right. We're talking about playoffs. The NFL playoffs. And it is time to get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Scoring touchdowns is the key to winning the games in the playoffs, and you can score big by betting on them at DraftKings, the number one place to bet touchdowns. If you're ready to place your first bet, try betting on something simple like a player to score 6. So go to the DraftKingsports app. Make your pick. New DraftKings customers can bet $5 and get $200 in bonus bets instantly. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. Use my code KSR new customers get $200 in bonus bets instantly. When you bet just 5 bucks, it is only at the DraftKings Sportsbook. The crown is yours. If you have a gaming problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER 18/ Kentucky. Only eligible restrictions apply. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG Co audio.
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Matt Jones
This song is so ridiculous.
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Seth Greenberg
Matt Davis is who you're talking about.
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Matt Jones
Willie does this song all the time now.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Like, I've seen him twice in the last couple of years, and he does it every time. People laugh, but, like. And people are laughing with this one, but this dude wrote it like he believed it.
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Seth Greenberg
Willie deserves it. If anybody deserves to cover it.
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Matt Jones
What is the line he has? They like to call me something. And then he goes, that must mean that I look great in my tight blue jeans. I can't remember. He, like, uses some large word. I can't remember. Club Blue is the. The official fundraising partner of the University of Kentucky. All right, listen, everybody, focus, because you're going to hear this. Club Blue is giving away two tickets to Kentucky Arkansas.
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Seth Greenberg
Wow.
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Matt Jones
Pretty good.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
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Seth Greenberg
Talk about friends that you don't need, like, later in your life. The only people that reach out to me that think they're my friends now are people that want tickets for Kentucky and Arkansas. Like, hey, man, you got any of those Kentucky Arkansas tickets? No. I don't even know you. Like, what do you.
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Matt Jones
You know, I get my friend the message from the woman I went out with 12 years ago. Hey, how you doing?
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Oh, hey, what's up? How you been? Got tickets to Kentucky. I mean, I know you probably don't, but I got to stop a couple of them. I was just waiting for you to write me so that I could do it. Some other guys who were amazing in college. This was. This is a great one. Michael Beasley.
- [43:22]
Seth Greenberg
Oh, yeah, Kansas State, right? Yeah, dude.
- [43:24]
Matt Jones
He. If they weren't a very good team, but he. He. I think he averaged like 26 and 13 for the year.
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah, he was.
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Matt Jones
He was. He was crazy. I'll tell you another one that was a lot better than you remember. Tyler Hansboro. Tyler Hansborough in college was insane. Joe Kim Noah in college was insane. Tim Duncan, both in college and in the NBA was insane. Carmelo, of course.
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Seth Greenberg
Yep.
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Matt Jones
Along with AD really, the only freshman to sort of carry a team to a title. I like all. I like all these answers. It's good stuff. Cj. What's up? Cj.
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Caller
Can we get these talking heads on ESPN to just shut up? Because if the roles were reversed, do you think they wouldn't be killing us? They would be absolutely tearing into BBN Daily.
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Matt Jones
First of all, that's a great point that I wish I'd made in the conversation because I don't think you could ask people on TV not to talk or it would be hard to do their job. But you're right. If Cal was good and we were owing five, forget it. Right, Shannon?
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Seth Greenberg
Oh, yeah. I mean, they would have been like, yep. See what you did? You ran off a Hall of Fame coach and this is what you got. That would have been.
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Matt Jones
You're exactly right, cj. We would have never heard the end of it if the roles were reversed.
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Caller
Yeah.
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And also, Cal stinks. I'm glad he's gone.
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Matt Jones
Appreciate the call. No, I mean, I like you. Remember, Sass said something like, just worry about your tea. Do you not think Seth Greenberg would be dancing on our graves?
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Seth Greenberg
Of course he would. If we were owing five, you know, he would have. You know, guy he loves.
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Matt Jones
No, they would. That's a really good. A really, really good point. Randall. Go ahead, Randall.
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Caller
Hey, Matt. I was gonna say that. I believe that you said it earlier, Coach Kyle. And the brand of Kentucky and the Wildcats is just better. You know, it makes players and coaches better. And if the. If Cal and the players were at Kentucky, I think, you know, that their record may be even a little, you know, a little bit different. But in the. In the future for, like, the players we have now, they. They are better, you know, than they were at other places. They were.
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Matt Jones
Because the brand itself, I firmly believe that. I do. Yeah. I mean, you. And I appreciate the call. A coach can succeed and not be here, obviously, but if you come here, you will be better. You will be better in the other respect. If you come here and go somewhere else, you're going to be worse, more than likely. Doesn't mean you can't be successful, but you won't be as successful as you would be here. So a guy like, like Danny Hurley has won two straight titles, so it'd be hard to be more successful than that. But one thing he could have done at UK is had all of his games on ESPN and he would be even more well known than he is now. Now, Shannon, that might not have worked well considering his temper. Yeah, but like, this is the. You have to have a lot of talent to get here. But then this takes that talent and takes you to where it's like, oh, wow.
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Seth Greenberg
You know, players are always going to want to come to Kentucky just because it's Kentucky, just because I have talent.
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Matt Jones
To do the super bowl halftime show. But then once you do the super all halftime show, then you're on a new level. Same thing here. Duke, Carolina. What's interesting about those three jobs though is they all went to coaches who had never won an NCAA tournament game when they took them. That's very unique. Mike, got about a minute. Go ahead. Mike.
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Caller
Yeah, the guy you, you badmouthing about his song. That's Mac Davis, man.
- [47:39]
Matt Jones
Yeah, well, we played. I like it, I like it. It's just different.
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Caller
Oh, he's. He was a cool dude, you know, movie actor, all this. You mentioned something about, I don't know, about a couple of weeks ago, you were talking about the little spat between Nick Gabriel and Cameron Mills.
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Matt Jones
They're.
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Caller
Mike fourth. About. Yeah, well, yeah, whichever one. But I agree with Cameron Mills. If you watch, if you've ever watched that game, you watch the end of it. You see, you see that play, Leitner, he didn't just step on Aminu Timberlake, he actually stomped right on his chest. And the hot day was there was a referee standing like 5 foot away looking at it and never done nothing.
- [48:34]
Matt Jones
No, you're right. I appreciate the call. Poor Minu Timberlake. How'd you like to only be known in life?
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Seth Greenberg
That's your legacy.
- [48:42]
Matt Jones
Think about that. Like every single person of a certain age. If you say Aminu Timberlake, what are they going to say?
- [48:46]
Seth Greenberg
Yep. If you bring up his name, you're talking about that play.
- [48:49]
Matt Jones
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Seth Greenberg
Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
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Matt Jones
I think it's because of my co host. I think. I think I had the the best co host today imaginable.
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Seth Greenberg
Well, likewise. And I was highly entertained by the Jay Williams interview. That was great. I might have to go back and listen to that later on.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, be ready for it. Thank you all very much for listening. We will be back at Listen to Mario clapping. We'll be back at KS Bar tomorrow. Don Franklin in Lexington on Friday. This has been Kentucky Sports Radio.
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