2025-02-24- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

Podcast Summary: KSR - Hour 2 Release Date: February 24, 2025
Host: Matt Jones
Guests: Drew Franklin, Ryan Lemon, Shannon "The Dude"

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1. Old Spaghetti Factory: A Culinary Staple

The episode kicks off with the hosts reminiscing about the longevity of the Old Spaghetti Factory in downtown Louisville. Drew Franklin highlights its enduring popularity, stating, “… the amount of people in the text machine that have said they've eaten there in the last month shows me why it's still open” (01:35). Ryan Lemon adds, “Yeah, the atmosphere there is really cool too. I mean that's, I think that's the main draw” (02:09). The hosts express admiration for the restaurant’s ability to maintain its charm since its opening in 1985, despite the evolving downtown landscape.

2. Spotlight on Ellie De La Cruz: The Summer Star

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Ellie De La Cruz, a standout player whose performance has captivated the listeners. Drew Franklin enthusiastically declares, “It's gonna be the summer of Ellie” (03:18), emphasizing Ellie’s pivotal role in the team’s success. Matt Jones concurs, praising Ellie’s talent: “The dude is awesome. I mean, I do like watching him play” (03:45). Shannon "The Dude" acknowledges Ellie's growth, noting his defensive efforts and scoring ability, despite facing top-tier opponents (12:10).

3. Coaching Carousel: Jay Lucas Moves to Miami

The hosts delve into the recent career move of Jay Lucas, a beloved figure in the KSR community. Drew Franklin reflects on Jay’s journey, “Jay Lucas was crucial in KSR success… and yesterday it was reported he'll be the next head coach at Miami” (05:02). Matt Jones adds a personal touch, reminiscing, “We all know Patrick Patterson. Jay Lucas gets lost because he didn't come here… he is old enough to become the head coach of a major Division 1 university” (06:00). The conversation highlights Jay’s impact on the program and the surprise at his rapid ascent to a prominent coaching position.

4. Media News: Lester Holt’s Retirement

Shifting to media updates, the hosts discuss the unexpected retirement of Lester Holt from NBC Nightly News. Drew Franklin shares, “Roberta Flack passed away” (34:44), briefly touching on her legacy before returning to Lester Holt's news. Matt Jones reveals a personal encounter with Holt: “We met him at the Republican convention in Cleveland” (08:32), expressing admiration for Holt’s professionalism and charisma. The discussion humorously speculates on potential future interactions with the retiring anchor.

5. Audience Interaction: Tackling Team Performance and Strategy

Listeners' calls form a substantial part of the episode, offering critiques and seeking insights on the team’s performance:

• Caller from Brock: Questions the team’s minutes management, emphasizing the importance of player minutes in preventing high-scoring games. Drew Franklin responds by underscoring the significance of minute management in close game outcomes (09:50).

• Caller Colin from Louisville: Highlights defensive weaknesses, particularly the inability of players like Perry and Noah to keep up with opponents. The hosts discuss potential strategies, such as adjusting defensive schemes, but acknowledge the limitations due to player injuries (39:33).

• Caller Ed: Expresses concerns about the team’s over-reliance on certain players and suggests a need for lineup adjustments to enhance defensive performance (42:19).

6. Cultural Moments: Roberta Flack’s Legacy and ‘Conclave’ Movie Discussion

The hosts mourn the passing of iconic singer Roberta Flack, sharing memories and touching on her contributions to music. Additionally, they engage in a lively discussion about the movie "Conclave," which portrays the intricate process of selecting a new Pope. Drew Franklin enthusiastically recommends the film, praising its portrayal of Vatican traditions and the suspense involved in the conclave process (36:37). Matt Jones expresses mixed feelings about the movie's ending, sparking a humorous debate among the hosts (39:02).

7. Promotions and Advertisements

Throughout the episode, sponsorship messages are seamlessly integrated:

• T-Mobile: Promotes their 5G network and special offers for switching lines (00:00).

• Stockton Mortgage: Highlights customer testimonials and services for mortgage needs (00:00, 42:19).

• DraftKings: Encourages sports betting with promotional codes and bonuses (34:09).

• Volunteers of America Mid States: Announces new services for unhoused individuals in downtown Louisville (14:17).

8. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Events

As the episode winds down, the hosts mention upcoming events like Bourbon and Beyond, discussing their anticipation for performances and sharing amusing anecdotes about encounter with local bands (24:11). They also briefly touch on the health of team members, expressing well-wishes for Coach Mark Pope (35:59).

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Notable Quotes:

• Drew Franklin: “It's gonna be the summer of Ellie” (03:18)

• Matt Jones: “The dude is awesome. I mean, I do like watching him play” (03:45)

• Drew Franklin: “Jay Lucas was crucial in KSR success… and yesterday it was reported he'll be the next head coach at Miami” (05:02)

• Matt Jones: “We met him at the Republican convention in Cleveland” (08:32)

• Drew Franklin: “Roberta Flack passed away” (34:44)

• Drew Franklin: “If you're anything like me, and I know I am” – referring to the conclave process in "Conclave" (19:06)

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This episode of KSR presents a blend of sports analysis, community stories, cultural reflections, and interactive discussions, all anchored by the engaging banter of Matt Jones and the KSR crew. Whether celebrating enduring local favorites like the Old Spaghetti Factory or dissecting the tactical nuances of team performance, KSR Hour 2 offers listeners a comprehensive and entertaining listening experience.

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For more insights and updates, tune in to KSR Mon.-Fri. from 10 AM to noon on Sports Talk 790 (WKRD-AM).

Transcript

[Matt Jones]

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[Ryan Lemon]

Nmlsconsumeraccess.Org welcome to hour two of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.

[Drew Franklin]

Well welcome back our number two techie sports radio 859-280-2287. Old Spaghetti Factory Shannon opened August 23, 1985 according to Corey Price, the amount of people in the text machine that have said they've eaten there in the last month shows me why it's still open.

[Ryan Lemon]

Really? That many people?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, one person says, Matt, I went last week because my mother in law wanted to go. I hadn't been in there since the 80s and it looks exactly the same but it was packed and I have to say the food was really good.

[Ryan Lemon]

Yeah, the atmosphere there is really cool too. I mean that's. I think that's the main draw.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, one person writes, Matt, I went back to Old Spaghetti Factory about a month ago after an event at the Yum Center. The line was out the door, we waited and I Have to say it was worth it.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. It's kind of cool that the old staple was still doing good business down there.

[Ryan Lemon]

I would say after today, it's going to be doing a lot better.

[Drew Franklin]

There was a time that it was the only restaurant, Ryan, in downtown Louisville. Or at least one of the very few that I remember back when down. Back before Jerry Abramson, when downtown Louisville was kind of just dead dead. There still was an old spaghetti factory, but I just thought it was. And now, you know, downtown's gone down a little bit in the last few years, but there's a lot more places now. And yet there it goes. Still persevering.

[Ryan Lemon]

Yeah. A lot of places down here have come and gone over the years.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemon]

Even here at 4th Street Live. That place still around.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, let's do a couple things real quick, Ryan. First of all, we got to mention, I mentioned on the pregame show, we got to mention here, Ellie De La Cruz. It's the summer of Ellie. It's the summer of Ellie. Okay?

[Ryan Lemon]

It's gonna be the summer of the Reds.

[Drew Franklin]

It's gonna be the summer of Ellie.

[Ryan Lemon]

And the Red one and two.

[Drew Franklin]

He gets up for spring training. What? It doesn't matter. Split squad. We're not. We ain't worried. You don't try to win in spring training. We're winning when it counts.

[Ryan Lemon]

You need both squads.

[Drew Franklin]

Both squads are gonna be good. It doesn't matter. We have Ellie. Ellie De La mvp. Okay? He gets up. Spring training. First at bat, left handed home run. Second at bat, right handed home run. Are you ready for the summer of Ellie?

[Matt Jones]

The dude is awesome. I mean, I do like watching him play. There's no doubt about it. But come on, man, it's the Red.

[Drew Franklin]

Summer of Ellie.

[Matt Jones]

You'll be out of the playoffs by the end of April.

[Drew Franklin]

You're out of the playoffs right now. Summer of Ellie.

[Ryan Lemon]

He still lost the game.

[Drew Franklin]

Doesn't matter. No, they won that one. They won Ellie's game.

[Ryan Lemon]

That's the one game they won this.

[Drew Franklin]

They won Ellie's game. He's only played one game.

[Ryan Lemon]

Oh, okay.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, look, we're not. Who cares if they play Joe Thursbury? They've got Ellie when he plays. Got off to Drew. You got to be excited about my man. Two bat, two at bats, two home runs.

[Shannon The Dude]

I mean, I'm excited about a lot of things. Red's not in the conversation, but I do love the joy you have that starts about right now and we collectively hear it go away by June. So it's about May Run that back.

[Drew Franklin]

A couple of years ago. It was over in May.

[Ryan Lemon]

I'm more impressed with Carson Hansen.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I don't know who that is, but we do know who Ellie De.

[Ryan Lemon]

La Cruz, Kentucky baseball, And he hit two home runs and three pitches.

[Drew Franklin]

Same thing. Carson Hansen is the Ellie De La Cruz of UK baseball. They got a sweep this weekend, by the way, over Belmont. Congratulations to them. Second, Jay Lucas. All right, for those of you longtime KSR people, you know what Jay Lucas means.

[Matt Jones]

Means a lot to this, to me, Jay.

[Drew Franklin]

Luke, there are three turning points for KSR success. In Turning Point one is Patrick Patterson and Jay Lucas. And we all know Patrick Patterson. Jay Lucas gets lost because he didn't come here. But Jay Lucas was crucial in KSR success. Jay Lucas was really liked us more than he liked, than even Patterson did. Jay Lucas was like the person who got KSR on the recruiting map. And yesterday it was reported he'll be the next head coach at Miami. I cannot believe, Ryan Lemon, that I'm old enough that Jay Lucas, who I watched play as a junior in high school and who sat with me and Chris Mosley and talked about video games, is now old enough to become the head coach of a major Division 1 university.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. A major program that's had great success. And he's stepping in there. He's a guy that you. You could step up to him right now, you and him, and not miss a beat. I think, because he had that connection from all.

[Drew Franklin]

We always. We always knew. I mean, even when he was, you know, for the year he was here. Right. Yeah, He. He's just. I, like, I have a special spot in my heart for that guy, even though I don't know him well anymore. But I. We. We could. We could talk for. The fact that he is old enough. Drew. To be coaching a Division 1 college team is wild to me. Wild.

[Shannon The Dude]

Three years ago, he's my neighbor. I'd pass him on the sidewalk with his kids and nod. And now he's the head coach of Miami. Imagine going from living by me to now you're the head coach of Miami. What a climb.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Masterson Station to South Beach. It's a normal. It's a normal move. I. When I saw that thing, I mean, he's a. He's a. He deserves a job. But when I saw that thing come across the. The, like, news, I couldn't believe it. Like, I cannot believe.

[Matt Jones]

And the young people don't realize what a big deal Patrick Patterson. Jay Lucas was during that recruitment.

[Drew Franklin]

I would say to you in My years of doing this, this is a. The second. Biggest, first biggest question I've ever been asked was last year, throughout the year, is Cal Perry gone? That was. That's the question I've been asked the most. But the second most question I was ever asked is what's happening with Patterson?

[Matt Jones]

Lucas, it was crazy.

[Drew Franklin]

It was wild.

[Matt Jones]

And you guys were at the forefront of. You guys, the only one that had any good information.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, he would only talk to us. Yeah, but what's happening with Patterson, Lucas. And Lucas wasn't even that good. But we were so desperate. And it was right at the moment when the Internet became how like, it was a perfect storm, Ryan. It was when Internet and recruiting became like, widespread was like right that year.

[Matt Jones]

And somehow this. This little blog, the only people that had information on those two guys came from you guys.

[Drew Franklin]

So what's happening with Patterson and Lucas?

[Matt Jones]

Yep, it was a big deal. And you know, and you know what's crazy? Patrick Patterson only ranked like 16th, but to us, he was like the number one recruit we've ever had there for a while.

[Drew Franklin]

It's going to make you sad. Some breaking news here, Shannon, Go ahead.

[Ryan Lemon]

What?

[Drew Franklin]

Ronnie, Nana, I believe you like this guy. Lester Holt is stepping down from NBC Nightly News.

[Shannon The Dude]

I do like Lester Holt.

[Ryan Lemon]

That's Ryan's guy, though.

[Shannon The Dude]

Yeah, that's my Dateline intro guy. I hear Lester's voice every night.

[Matt Jones]

I'm Lester Holt.

[Drew Franklin]

That's a terrible impression.

[Matt Jones]

We met him at the Republican convention in Cleveland.

[Shannon The Dude]

We met Lester Holt.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, you and you and I did. We were walking and we met him. We stopped and talked to him. Just said hello.

[Drew Franklin]

So why is it you like so I thought it was Shannon. It's you, Ryan, that likes Lester Hold a lot.

[Matt Jones]

I think he's just a really good anchor and he seems to be very care. Charismatic. And I think he's a guy I could hang out with.

[Shannon The Dude]

Well, he can now he's retired.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I can hang out.

[Drew Franklin]

Wait a minute. Okay, I get all of it. Why do you think you could hang out with. Why would he want to hang out with you?

[Matt Jones]

You know, former old TV guys.

[Drew Franklin]

You think you and he would be friends? Sure.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think we'd be friends.

[Drew Franklin]

I kind of think Ryan would creep Lester hold out. What do you think?

[Ryan Lemon]

Probably so.

[Matt Jones]

I wonder why he's retiring. He's not that old he could use.

[Ryan Lemon]

He's only been doing that evening show for like 10 years.

[Drew Franklin]

10 years?

[Ryan Lemon]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I mean, this is a weird time. Yeah, it's a weird. First of all, you Say he's not that old. He's got. He's probably in his 60s, isn't he?

[Ryan Lemon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

That's not that old.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Shannon The Dude]

Might not want to be on TV forever.

[Drew Franklin]

Something else with their life.

[Ryan Lemon]

65.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, 65. I'm not going to be doing this. Right. Not everybody wants to be like you in the spotlight for the last moment of their lives. Right. Right. Will never give it up. Ride will be 84. Filling in for Dick Gabriel.

[Matt Jones]

I will.

[Ryan Lemon]

Nursing home.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Let's go to Brock. What's up, Brock? Hey, guys.

[Caller]

You talked about the minutes earlier, and I looked at it. I know the injuries skew it, but the six guys you mentioned you wanted to play 180 minutes this year, if you add them up, they're at 155. Not that far.

[Drew Franklin]

But that. No, I disagree. That 25 is huge because that 25 tends to be when we give up a 100 run. Right. Like 155 sounds like a lot. I want it to be 180 or 175, because I genuinely think the difference between 155 and let's. Maybe I'm exaggerating 180, but 1 71, 75 might be the difference between winning a game and losing a game.

[Caller]

Yes, I understand that. But here's the most important thing that I saw the last three games. Perry, Noah and Chandler are averaging 59 minutes between the three of them.

[Drew Franklin]

That's. I love those guys, but that's too many. That's too many. Now. Now, to be fair, though, we've got these injuries. Okay. So, like that.

[Caller]

That was my point.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. So that to be fair to those guys, like, we've got these injuries. But the reality is, and I appreciate the call you. He's right about that. Perry, Noah and Chandler can't play 60 of the 200 minutes this year. Drew and us be very, very successful.

[Shannon The Dude]

And with Perry. Back to our point earlier about you just have to change what you think of this team right now with them being so limited. If we go back to April when Pope is on that podium and he waves at Perry in the crowd. If someone told you Perry would play 30 minutes a game in February in the SEC, you would not have believed what in the hell is about to happen. I mean, this is just such unique circumstances that they've fallen into. He's done decent job.

[Drew Franklin]

But, yeah, let me say about him, I thought he. He gave. I thought he played pretty well Saturday. He cannot guard the Alabama guards. Maybe one day, but not that day, is not Today, but he scored in double digits. I thought he played hard. I thought he wasn't scared. So I actually give Perry an A. An A for effort, but also, like, thought he played well. Right. I thought he did about as good as he could have done, to be honest.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And in a hostile environment against some of the best guards in the conference, you go down there and you hold your own. As a true freshman, I was kind of proud of him. I know he didn't shoot the ball particularly great, but he did a lot of other things. I thought he did really well.

[Shannon The Dude]

He actually finished at the rim.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he did three.

[Shannon The Dude]

And he had a career high with four steals. So he was playing.

[Drew Franklin]

You're right. That's exactly right, Mike. Go ahead, Mike. He's good at, like, coming like a guy. He's good at, like, when a guy drives, it's not his man reaching in and getting the ball. That's, I think, something. He's really. He's got a knack for that, Mike. Go ahead, Mike.

[Caller]

You know, one thing. You know, I used to get, you know, a little agitated sometimes. The cow would take unfair criticism, and. But the lineup thing was real. And so it is. So with. With Mark Pope, and it infuriates me. People get mad when you say that Amari should play more. I mean, it's an obvious thing. If you go back and look, I bet you Most of those 1200 runs are with Garrison on the floor. And I think. And to that point, I don't care how much Perry and Noah play, I just want Amari playing 30 plus. I think you got to play every minute you can. And I realize he's doing a lot more, and he could probably play more with Butler there, but sometimes you just got to suck it up, play. Because I know, you know, they played Randall 38 minutes in that year they raised.

[Drew Franklin]

That's exactly right. I'm with you on that. Like, that's. Julius Randall's a perfect example. I appreciate the call. That team was struggling, and the only way they were going to win is Julius Randall playing a lot of minutes. So he played, like, 37 minutes a game.

[Matt Jones]

He drugged that team.

[Drew Franklin]

He drugged that team, especially through the regular season, because we were not good during the regular season, and Randall won us games to get us into the tournament. And then Aaron Harrison, some of those guys started playing really well.

[Matt Jones]

I will say this about Amari. He did go back to some bad turnover.

[Drew Franklin]

He did. But you know what? I'd still. I'll take it. I mean.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, can we.

[Drew Franklin]

Can we Talk about the worst play. I mean, you know what I'm going to say. When Garrison got that rebound and drove all the way down the court by himself. Yeah, Shannon, I nearly, if you could, if there was a live camera on me, I would have exploded.

[Ryan Lemon]

What did he think was going to happen?

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, I literally, from the moment he got the ball, screamed, pass, pass, pass, pass. No pass. But I do, like, he can make threes, but like, it's a big difference. It's a big difference. Volunteers of America Mid States is part of Volunteers America, the oldest nonprofit helping hand serving about 2 million people a year. They work on housing, justice, veteran support shelter, helping people recover from substance abuse. And we have a new location here in downtown Louisville where I am. It's for unhoused individuals to access a variety of services like family shelter and permanent affordable housing. To learn more about this campus or how you can donate, visit voamid.org because it's the Mid States of Volunteers of America v o a mid.org learn more about your new resource in Kentucky at VOA mid.org we will take a break and be right back. It's Kentucky Sports Radio. Welcome back. Kentucky Sports Radio Text Machine 772-7745254 I feel like you've played this song a lot recently. Is there a reason I have not.

[Ryan Lemon]

Played this song in probably a year?

[Drew Franklin]

In this, the one with the girl that dances on the bus.

[Ryan Lemon]

I don't know if it's this song or not.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I thought we just talked about that. But you may be right. 859-280-2287 One person writes, Matt, tell Shannon the Braves are 0 and 2 in spring training and he can eat it.

[Ryan Lemon]

Well, I'm not the one bragging about World Series over here like that over.

[Drew Franklin]

There needs to eat it.

[Ryan Lemon]

Give me some ketchup.

[Drew Franklin]

That would be. That would be nice. One person writes, Matt, what do you think about the Eagles refusing to go to the White House? I don't like it. I think you should go. It's not about the president. It's about the thing. So. So I think. But you know, it is what it is. I think you're going to see that happen more and more.

[Ryan Lemon]

So what if you're a player for the Eagles and you actually want to go? You can't.

[Drew Franklin]

I think they do just like maybe you could just take a tour by yourself. Yeah, they probably take a vote or something. You know, I would assume, I mean, I know when Trump was present last time, maybe the warriors didn't Go. I think one of the hockey teams maybe didn't go when Biden was president. Um, but, you know, I think you.

[Ryan Lemon]

Want to go to the White House just because the White House.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I think you should go. I mean, to me, if you don't want. If, like, you really have that big of an objection, you go. And then maybe when it comes time for the photo where they hold up the jersey, you just sneak out the back or something.

[Ryan Lemon]

You went to the White House when Trump was.

[Drew Franklin]

Of course I would go, but I believe in inst. I believe in institutions. I think what. What has. What is becoming normal now is on the right and the left. A lot of people hate institutions. They hate. They think about the deep state and all this. I believe that, like, that office is more important than anyone in it, but people just don't believe that anymore. Like. And I hate that. I think that's. I think that's a negative. But that's a different point. If I were them, I would go, but, you know, what are you going to do? I'll tell you what else I would do. I would go to Omaha and watch the Outrunner.

[Ryan Lemon]

Those guys had a great weekend.

[Drew Franklin]

Let me tell you something. I know you all, most, almost everybody in here doesn't know who the outrunners are. You need to look them up. They were former wrestlers with ovw. They were wrestlers when I came in. To put it a bigger thing, Drew, is when we talk about Shannon's mysterious Christmas party that he doesn't invite us to. One of the people that goes, and there's only like six or seven, is one of the outrunners.

[Shannon The Dude]

These are. These are Shannon's.

[Drew Franklin]

These are Shannon's boys. But when I came to OVW, like, they're. They're in their 40s. They're both really nice guys. The one guy is it. Turbo has been really nice to me. Yeah, they both been nice to me. I like them both.

[Ryan Lemon]

Well, Shiloh, I mean, he still comes to ovw, just behind the scenes.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes. He'll just be there on a Thursday night. Yes. So that Shiloh and Turbo. So, anyway, long story short, these two guys in their 40s decide to change their gimmick, make themselves, like, crazy, like, Hulk Hogan guys. They spin in circles. They've taken off. Now, amazingly, they're in AEW and Omaha. The Omaha basketball team invites them to come give their pregame speech. Now, Shannon, I am fascinated as to how that happened.

[Ryan Lemon]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

How did they end up together?

[Ryan Lemon]

I don't know. Maybe there.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know the outrunners, the pregame speech, they show up in little midriff shirts with their muscles out. And they get up there and they go. And the name of the speech was, Succeeding requires success.

[Ryan Lemon]

Nothing succeeds. Nothing success.

[Drew Franklin]

Nothing succeeds. Seeds like success. Come on. What an amazing title.

[Ryan Lemon]

And what did I tell you you had to do? He said, you gotta. You gotta win to beat your opponent.

[Drew Franklin]

He said, you have to win to beat your opponent. His starting speech started with this sentence, which might be my favorite sentence anyone's ever uttered. If you're anything like me, and I know I am. What a great sentence. If you're anything like me, and I know I am. So they give the speech to the Omaha basketball team. Omaha team goes out that night and wins. When the game is over, they go into the locker room to celebrate with the team. They've clinched a share of the Summit title. And in one of the great videos that's ever existed, the team and the outrunners just beat up a trash can.

[Ryan Lemon]

I don't know what that poor trash can.

[Drew Franklin]

What did the trash can do to those people? Yeah, it's so cool to see all these players so excited with these guys. I. I have to tell you, Ryan, I loved it. Those videos are on my social media, but it's one of my favorite things I've ever seen.

[Matt Jones]

The videos are fantastic. Both of them. That locker room video at the end, though, is one of my favorites. These guys, like you said, in their 40s, receding hairlines, they're spinning in circles.

[Ryan Lemon]

I had a receding hairline, they're spinning.

[Matt Jones]

In circles and they're wearing rainbow colored clothes.

[Drew Franklin]

They go to Shannon's Christmas party. He doesn't even invite us. And he invites the outrunners.

[Matt Jones]

Outrunners.

[Ryan Lemon]

You don't come in and spin and beat up my garbage can.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I will next year because nothing succeeds like success. Shout out to the outrunners. And now I'm now a huge Omaha basketball fan. I am like, I'm all in on Omaha from now on. Let's go to pt. What's up, pt?

[Caller]

Hey, thanks for taking my call. And Shannon, thanks for the invite to.

[Drew Franklin]

The Christmas party last year.

[Caller]

It was great.

[Ryan Lemon]

Enjoyed it.

[Drew Franklin]

Stopped.

[Caller]

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I do want to talk about the minutes thing. And I'm mainly like, I look at Alador's line of all zeros but 10 minutes and think what would have happened if Carr and Amari had gotten those 10 minutes, how the game would have looked different. So I Agree. We need to pare down the, the. The lineup a little bit and just play, you know, six or seven like Calipari did. And then the other thing, I thought it was classless of the, of the UK or the Alabama fans. Usa, usa. But I don't really expect much from a student section led by Timu Karate Kid. And, you know, they're classless to begin with, so that's.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, they're also students. I mean, they're students. Students are going to do stuff. What? I. I appreciate the call. I just. I didn't love it. It's not the worst thing in the world. Like, I'm not going to go nuts about it. I just didn't love it. Probably part of it, Drew, is I just want to beat him. Right. You know, I mean, I just wanted to beat them. And Amari missed those two free throws, too, so.

[Shannon The Dude]

Yeah. Otherwise at the free throw line, though, Amari, the last two games has been hot. He has missed against the only two.

[Drew Franklin]

He missed, I think.

[Shannon The Dude]

Yeah, he had a great night at the line and with his backup. We're all pulling for Brandon Garrison, but he just seems to have completely reverted since earlier in the year. I mean, you mentioned the turnover he had, but, you know, adding to the more Amari argument, it's just a huge gap at that position right now going to the bench.

[Drew Franklin]

Let's go to Jack. What's up, Jackson?

[Caller]

Not much. Thanks, Matt, for taking my call. I got two things. One, like, when we talk about football, we say, you know, there's one play that could change the outcome of a game. But that non call against Perry when he shot his three, and when Ortega got the. I don't know if he has fingertips or what. He did that. That was a crucial part. And if Carr doesn't get a couple of quick fouls, then, I mean, that really hurt.

[Drew Franklin]

But Grant Nelson got a couple. I mean, to be fair, I'm not trying to take up for the refs, but Grant Nelson got two fouls in three minutes.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Well, that was one point and then another point. I didn't catch your post game.

[Drew Franklin]

I know.

[Caller]

I listened to Ryan and there were people down in Pope. I don't like the out the, you know, the change of guard or, or whatever, change of lineup all at once. But if it wasn't for him playing Chandler, Noah and Perry at the beginning of the game or beginning of the season, then we're not getting the play that we're getting right now from them, which is A lot better.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I don't. But I don't think anybody was complaining about them playing at the beginning of the year. I mean, I appreciate the call. At the end of the year, we were playing teams that were. We're not good. Where did he listen to you, Ryan? Have you done a show since Saturday?

[Matt Jones]

I think he's talking about the Texas Post game show. We had a caller call in and said he's done with Pope. Pope's not the right guy.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, that's dumb. Pope's hat. I think Pope's done a very good job. You can think somebody's done a very good job, which I do and still say I would still do this rather than this. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. We'll take a break. Be right back. KSI, TJ Smith, personal injury attorney. Call tj. He'll make him pay.

[Ryan Lemon]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio, presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Drew Franklin]

These guys are at Bourbon and Beyond, right?

[Ryan Lemon]

They are, yeah. A lot of great bands.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemon]

From the 90s will be there.

[Drew Franklin]

Is it the same lineup? Is it this dude, the weird looking guy?

[Ryan Lemon]

I'm not really sure. I got no the band, but I don't know, like the members of the band so.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I mean, that one dude.

[Ryan Lemon]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Looked talking about Spin Doctors for those of you on podcast, like, the one dude looked ridiculous. Do you remember, Ryan, what the lead singer of the Spin Doctors look like?

[Matt Jones]

I was trying to remember what he looked like.

[Drew Franklin]

He had red hair and a beard and he was like. Does nobody remember what this guy looked like? He was very.

[Matt Jones]

He was the lead singer.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. He had a very distinct look, if I remember correctly.

[Ryan Lemon]

Well, I can't even remember.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I want to see them. It's good. Bourbon Beyond's got a good lineup. Ryan, I yesterday got surprised during the ESPN show and it made me so happy. I thought you would appreciate this.

[Matt Jones]

Tell me about it.

[Drew Franklin]

So when we sometimes, especially after the football, we lead in to an NBA game every day. Okay. So every Sunday, like we ended either 12:30 or one and we go off to an NBA game now we'll do that for the next couple months. And usually we get one of the announcers for the game as a guest before we on the show, but they never tell us who it is. So sometimes it's PJ Carlissimo. It's been Mike Breen, it's been various people. So we're like a minute out from my segment at noon. And the producer goes, Kalena Azabuki Is on. Is on.

[Matt Jones]

Really?

[Drew Franklin]

And I went, what? I was like, kalina Azabuki. And he goes, yeah, he's doing the game on radio. And I said, for espn. He's like, yeah, he's done it for two years. I had no idea, by the way, that Clint Azabuki was doing ESPN games. Did you know that?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I knew he was doing color on the Golden State.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, but this is espn. This is the national espn. I knew he's been doing Golden State for a decade, but did you know he was doing espn?

[Matt Jones]

Nope, I sure didn't.

[Drew Franklin]

I had no idea. So I didn't really even have time to process it, Ryan. And then they come on and I just immediately talked to Kalen. I'm like, clint Osabuki, you remember when you got that dunk against Vandy in 2003?

[Matt Jones]

Still the best dunk I've seen live.

[Drew Franklin]

And he was like. He was clearly surprised, Drew, because I don't think he knew that a guy from Kentucky was going to interview him. And I go, well, wait a minute. I do Kentucky sports radio like it was. And so I just kind of fanboyed with Kalina Azabuki for like three or four minutes.

[Shannon The Dude]

As you should. You should be like, doing the Chris Farley snl. Do you remember when just all Kentucky questions completely ignoring his current job?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, who cares? You remember when the ball bounced on the rim against Michigan State and then it went in.

[Matt Jones]

Remember Tubby's famous line about him?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, but they didn't. I mentioned that in the. In the break and the producer said, don't say that on this. So I didn't. But it was very cool to. I didn't know it was kind of cool. You know, we always talk about former Kentucky guys in the media. Is he the biggest former Kentucky player in the media?

[Matt Jones]

He is now. I don't think there's any doubt right now.

[Drew Franklin]

Who's bigger?

[Matt Jones]

There isn't one. We don't have anybody that does anything. Any.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't think so. So. So like, he. His name doesn't get brought up in it, but I think that's true.

[Matt Jones]

He left school early, didn't get drafted, and still ended up having a decent career in the NBA.

[Drew Franklin]

He did and now has been doing warriors games for 10 years. He does the pre game show for him and now I think he's even on the game broadcast. UK women lose to LSU. Drew. They got up 16 in the first half and we're rolling. Gave Kim Mulkey a stink face. And then LSU just kind of Blew through in the second half. We cut it to one late, but we're not able to beat them.

[Shannon The Dude]

No, the one positive was the camera panning to Kim Mulkey after that Kentucky basket was truly unbelievable camera work. So kudos to ever frame that up, but it hurt watching him kind of lose down the stretch. They even had an 80 run in the fourth quarter to retake the lead. But then LSU took it right back and won. Kentucky shot like 15% from 3. I think that that tells you. Yeah, I mean, their best players, mostly all of them were cold, so. Rough night on the day. Even though there's one more home game left. That was the Senior Day game for George A. Moore and Deja Lawrence. 2. Two players that have been awesome otherwise this year.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, it was. It was a good game. You know, Kentucky is still 4 seed in the SEC tournament. Hopefully they're able to hold that. Mulkey had great things to say about Kenny Brooks after the game. Said thinks not only is he great coach said, like, he's one of the best people in the profession. And then she said, why don't they play this game in RUP Arena? She was like, why did. She was like, why they play here? Why don't they play in rup? And then she goes, I think Big Blue Nation can fill it up. And I was like, well, that's a little bit of stir in the pot. But, you know, they used to play one game a year there. I'm kind of surprised they didn't do that this year. I think if they had played that LSU game in Rupert, you wouldn't have filled it, but you might have gotten like 15,000 people there.

[Matt Jones]

They always picked one game and it would be a high profile game like Louisville or Tennessee or somebody, and the crowd would pretty much pack it.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, one thing about Kenny's team, they got to get more physical, these teams. Like, you can tell it's kind of a very similar thing. Drew to our bat men's basketball team, they just. The physicality is not something they enjoy.

[Shannon The Dude]

Yeah, we first saw that when they made the jump from the top or bottom tier to the top tier. Playing Texas a week or two ago and again with ls. I don't remember the final rebounding numbers, but it seemed pretty lopsided, really. It was just the third quarter killed him. What was it, like 24 to six or something?

[Drew Franklin]

Crazy.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, six points.

[Shannon The Dude]

Yeah, the third quarter completely determined the game.

[Drew Franklin]

Our tall girls are very, like, thin. And then the. And then when they get into a rebounding battle, they just get it taken from them a lot of the time. Let's go to boys. Go ahead, boys.

[Caller]

Matt.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, I don't know, but I think our two centers and our two forwards is going to have. They haven't been great as why we're not blocking shots.

[Matt Jones]

I think we had Vanderbilt against Vanderbilt.

[Drew Franklin]

We had seven. We got to be more aggressive. But I haven't been impressed with our two centers and our two forwards. Yeah, I disagree with you. I appreciate the call. I think Amari, especially in the last little bit, has been really, really good. Andrew Carr played well. Ryan, I mean, he had 17 and he. He kind of looks like we're back to the Andrew Carr from the beginning of the year.

[Matt Jones]

That's the Andrew Carr I think we thought we were going to get all year long. Coming out, hitting threes, scoring in traffic in the lane. I mean, showing some confidence with his shot. I think that's the guy I thought we'd have all season.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Shannon The Dude]

Behind him, Ansley Almanor almost had another trillion, though. Not a good game for him.

[Matt Jones]

What happened to him? He didn't already play.

[Shannon The Dude]

It's zero across the board except for one missed three in about 10 or 11 minutes. So not, Not a good game from Ansley.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, you got. We. I mean, they need 10 good minutes from him and they haven't, you know, two of the last three games they haven't had. He did have a good game against Mandy. Who's next?

[Ryan Lemon]

You tell me.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ryan Lemon]

Who do you. Who do you want to be next?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I mean, you. You said to pick boys, so I'll go to Seth. Go ahead, Seth.

[Caller]

Yep. Travis Perry in the game on Saturday, had a nice little move driving to the basket, and he slowed up and kind of backed in the guy on him. He got an and one out of it.

[Drew Franklin]

He did? Yes.

[Caller]

That kind of raised my eyebrows, saying, you know, he could maximize his potential maybe over the course of his career. My question is, does he? Am I right in thinking he has a higher ceiling than Jared Post?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Yeah. Now, let me say this about Polson. He liked physicality and could play some defense. Perry's a much better offensive player, but he's got to get. And I appreciate the call. I saw a picture of him last year, Drew, when he was a senior in high school, and he has put on muscle since then, but he needs more muscle. And, I mean, I don't know what he can do about his lateral quickness like that is kind of. Kind of is what it is, but he's going to be a dude probably his whole career that's going to give off, give up points so he's got to score. And I did think that was one good thing. We saw Saturday. He only made 1 3, but he scored in double digits, which showed he could score in other ways.

[Shannon The Dude]

Hey, we one for seven from three, which is not him at all. But, you know, you have cold days. But I liked late in the game, he cut, cut to the basket, wide open, and Amari hit him for a layup. It's things like that when you're not making threes. You got to find other ways to contribute and score. And he at least did that. And I thought he did as best as he could on Mark Sears with all those fouls, as I do that in quotation marks with that flopping around he did. I thought it, you know, you'd want to win and want him to play a little better. But overall, I thought he did his best, given the circumstances, playing 30 minutes in his third career start.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And to be fair, Sears one of the best players in the country. So, you know, I mean, all American last year. Yeah, right. I mean, he does. There's not a lot of people that can guard him. And Travis isn't a great defender at all. So I think he did the best he could on it. You know, you got to think this.

[Matt Jones]

Year with Travis Perry having to guard Wade Taylor and Mark Sears and Hubbard and Ziggler, all these top point guards, it's just going to make him better for the rest of his career.

[Shannon The Dude]

He was guarding Madisonville, North Hopkins last year. I love you, Maroons, but that's a big jump from region to sec. On the road playing Alabama.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. In the championship game of the Sweet 16 last year. He was guarding my guy from Harlem with the long hair. Now, that guy's good, though. What's his name?

[Matt Jones]

Reggie. Reggie.

[Drew Franklin]

Reggie. Yes.

[Shannon The Dude]

Cottrell.

[Drew Franklin]

Reggie. They might make the sweet 16 again.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they got that Huff kid. He's good. Maddox Huff. He's still back. He was one of their best players last year.

[Shannon The Dude]

District start tonight. Postseason's here.

[Drew Franklin]

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[Ryan Lemon]

Wish I had his luck.

[Drew Franklin]

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[Matt Jones]

This is the original.

[Drew Franklin]

She was 87 years old. She had Grammy winning hits, including the first time I ever saw your face. Just passed away this morning. She was discovered by Lexington's own Les McCann. I don't know who Les McCann is, but that's an interesting little tidbit. She was discovered by someone from Lexington.

[Matt Jones]

Now I want to know the whole story. How'd that happen?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, why don't you look it up? You're a journalist.

[Matt Jones]

I'll report back.

[Shannon The Dude]

He discovered her while she was playing jazz in Washington D.C. what was his job? He's a jazz guy. I'm reading all of this on the Internet. I don't know it off the top of my head.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I would have been impressed if you knew that. Because like, anyone could discover someone, Shannon. But it doesn't. They have to do something about it.

[Ryan Lemon]

That's right. Yeah. They discover you. Nobody knows.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. If you're nothing, then you can discover somebody and it won't do them any good.

[Ryan Lemon]

A lot of people have been discovered and nobody ever heard about them.

[Drew Franklin]

But Roberta. Ro. I keep saying Roberta. Roberta Flack.

[Matt Jones]

Roberta.

[Drew Franklin]

Why do I keep saying Roberta? Roberta Flack. Roberta. Roberta Flack passed away. 88. I said 87. 88 years old. The Pope. Ryan is sick.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

Pope is very sick. Hope he gets better and pulls through. They say he's a little better today. But you know, we watched the movie, didn't we? About Conclave.

[Matt Jones]

Conclave.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you think about that when you saw the news? About when they all get together and pick the new Pope and it's all intrigue and all that. Have you been thinking about that? Because I know you like that movie. Absolutely.

[Matt Jones]

I was thinking about that because that's the. The basis of the movie is true. That's how they do it. You know, these. These Roman Catholic priests all gather to pick the new Pope. So, you know, they fabricated the storyline. But that's still, how they do it.

[Drew Franklin]

Have you seen that? Have you all seen the movie? Drew, Shannon.

[Ryan Lemon]

I have not.

[Drew Franklin]

Drew, did you see it?

[Shannon The Dude]

No, I have not.

[Drew Franklin]

I recommend it. It's nominated for best picture, has a shot at winning. So, Shannon, they all get together. They bring. They bring. Is it cardinals? Is that right? Is that.

[Matt Jones]

I believe they're Cardinals.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, they're Cardinals.

[Matt Jones]

That's right.

[Drew Franklin]

They bring cardinals from all over the world. They bring them into one building, they take their phones. They're not allowed to have any, not only any communication with the outside world. They're not allowed, Shannon, to even know what's happening in the outside world.

[Ryan Lemon]

God, I couldn't. Could you imagine that kind of life?

[Drew Franklin]

But it. Well, it's just for like a week.

[Ryan Lemon]

I mean, even for a week.

[Drew Franklin]

So for a week, though, no communication with the outside world. And they are not allowed to leave until they come up with a Pope. And they have to get. What is it, Ryan, like 75% or something. It was a very high number. And this movie is all about, like, they have. All of them have secrets, and there's intrigue and there's like.

[Ryan Lemon]

You know, I would have my mind made up as soon as I walked in that building, but.

[Drew Franklin]

But, but. But some people do.

[Matt Jones]

But a lot of politicians, there's a.

[Drew Franklin]

Lot of politics, because what if your guy drops out?

[Ryan Lemon]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, and then somebody else drops.

[Ryan Lemon]

In, and then when they make their decision, don't they send smoke up?

[Drew Franklin]

So every. At the end of the. Every day, if they don't have a pope, they send out black smoke, but if they have a pope, they send out white smoke. Wow.

[Ryan Lemon]

Do you imagine gathering around that house just waiting to see what's happening?

[Drew Franklin]

It's not really a house. It's a big old thing. It's the big old building. It's the Vatican. Right. Isn't that where they do it?

[Matt Jones]

Yes, right there, close to St. Peter's Square. There we can gather and watch the smoke coming out of the chimney.

[Drew Franklin]

So, Ryan, I've never really followed that process, but now after watching that movie, I mean, I want Pope Francis to survive. He seems like to me, he's been a good Pope. I don't really know a lot about it, but it seems like it. But. But if he passes away at some point, then I want to watch. I hope they should livestream it. I know they won't, but they should, because I would watch it.

[Matt Jones]

I'm. Same way. Just based on that movie, I'm kind of more involved in it. And it's Just a. It's a tradition that is going back hundreds and hundreds of years.

[Drew Franklin]

Thousands of years. I mean, as long as the Catholic Church has existed, this is the.

[Matt Jones]

And they do it kind of the same way.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, the way they've done it. But you, too, should watch the. Honestly, that's a movie I think everyone would like. Wouldn't you agree, Ryan? Like, there aren't many movies that I would say everyone would like. I think everybody would like that movie.

[Matt Jones]

I told you this after I saw it. I really, really liked it and hated the ending. Hated it.

[Drew Franklin]

You just didn't like who they picked?

[Matt Jones]

No, they just. Well, I don't want to spoil it, but they just kind of left it. Left it hanging.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay. All right. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Ryan Lemon]

Okay, there's white smoke.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, don't spoil. He wants to spoil the ending. You can tell.

[Ryan Lemon]

Just go ahead and tell me, Ryan. Save me two hours.

[Drew Franklin]

Who's next?

[Ryan Lemon]

Ed?

[Drew Franklin]

Ed. Go ahead, Ed.

[Caller]

Yes, Colin from Louisville, Kentucky, first time caller, really glad listen to your show every day. The thing that concerns me about Kentucky is we've won a lot of tough games early in the season, but the reality of it is we were just outscoring those teams. Our defense has been a problem all year. Okay. And the problem is Perry and Noah just do not have the foot speed to stay with these guards. Okay. And I'm just really. I just want to get a comment from you all that with the injuries. Everybody's talking about the injuries and how it's hurt. It's also hurtness in practice because those guys, Perry and Noah, gotta be guarding people that are walk ons or third or fourth strings beyond them, and they're not challenged. You're as good as you practice, and I am a little.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, like, what are we gonna do about it? But what are we gonna do about it? I mean, there's nothing we can do about it. Like. Like those guys. I agree with your. With your analysis.

[Caller]

Play some matchup zones.

[Drew Franklin]

You can't play zone against Alabama. They'll kill you. They shoot like.

[Caller]

They shoot threes in front of them either. Well, can't see in front of them either. And that's why just Alabama. If you get beat by a jump shot, then you got to live with that. But they have been blowing pants, our guards, all.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, to be fair. To be fair, I appreciate the call. We had our two best defensive games. Two of our. I mean, we rose 44 points in defense in the last two weeks, so they have gotten better. But, Drew, you can't Zone Alabama. They'll kill you. They'll kill you.

[Shannon The Dude]

Alabama would love to see a zone.

[Drew Franklin]

So yes, he's right. Our dudes can't stay in front of guys and honestly Ryan, they haven't been able to stay in front of guys all year. But that's like a roster thing. I just don't think we have a great defensive roster. Maybe next year we get more athletes and it's better. We have to outscore these teams and the problem is with our two best players out we just don't have enough firepower Ryan to outscore in Alabama. Now we can beat other teams but a team that can score 90 I just don't think we have enough points in us.

[Matt Jones]

You know our defense has really gotten a lot better. We held South Carolina at under 60. I think Tennessee had like 64. Vanderbilt had 61. Only 21 in the second half. Our defense has gotten better with our best defender not even playing right now.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, and Butler, sometimes it just is what it is, you know, sometimes you just not. If we had our full roster I think we can keep up with Alabama offensively. If we don't, what are you going to do? But if we go zone they'd score.

[Ryan Lemon]

120 points, take Alabama second and third score away from them and let them play us with a see how they do. Yeah, it would be completely opposite.

[Drew Franklin]

Totally agree. Who's tell me about Stockton Mortgage right.

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[Drew Franklin]

The way just in a statement out that said that the Eagles have not declined to go to the oh so maybe they'll still can you believe anything anymore? Like like no.

[Matt Jones]

Like who's the football team that went and they all got like Big Macs for their meal.

[Drew Franklin]

That's all of them. That's what he wants. Remember we're making America healthy again by only eating Big Macs.

[Matt Jones]

Wow.

[Drew Franklin]

I will say RFK wants to see me mad Shannon, try to take this Diet Coke out of my hands.

[Ryan Lemon]

Come and take it.

[Drew Franklin]

Come and get it. We'll see you all later. Thank you very much. We'll be back at the bar tomorrow. This is Kentucky Sports Radio.