2025-06-10- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

KSR Podcast Episode Summary: June 10, 2025 – Hour 2

Presented by iHeartPodcasts and Sports Talk 790 (WKRD-AM), this episode of Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) delves deep into the recent developments surrounding Vince Merrill, the University of Kentucky (UK) football program, and the ensuing fan reactions. Host Matt Jones, along with co-hosts Billy and Shannon, engage in passionate discussions, interact with listeners, and explore the dynamics of leadership within the sports community.

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1. Vince Merrill Controversy and Fan Reactions

The second hour kicks off with Billy expressing his frustration over recent events involving Vince Merrill, the UK football coach. He recounts an incident where a fan reportedly threw “Ls” (a gesture symbolizing a loss) at Merrill in a Dunkin’ Donuts in Frankfurt.

Billy [02:21]: “We had a caller in the last segment say he went by Dunkin Donuts and threw the Ls down in Frankfurt to Vince Merrill.”

Shannon initially believed the caller's story but later admitted some skepticism, which was later confirmed when Merrill himself called in to clarify the incident.

Shannon [02:22]: “Yes.”

Matt Jones [02:26]: “No.”

This confrontation highlighted the strained relationship between Merrill and certain segments of the UK fan base. As the discussion unfolds, Shannon and Billy delve into the emotional impact of Merrill’s actions, emphasizing the deep-seated loyalty and passion of UK supporters.

2. Leadership Styles: Comparing Mark Stoops and Past Coaches

A significant portion of the conversation centers around the leadership styles of Mark Stoops, the current head coach, and past figures like Caliperi. Billy draws parallels between presidential leadership styles and coaching methodologies to illustrate his points.

Billy [19:07]: “Caliperi was a top-down leader at his best would listen to his assistance and then make a decision. At his worst, he stopped listening to them.”

Billy [20:05]: “Mark Stoops has always been a group think mentality. When Stoops is at his best, he would hear all these people, they would work together and they would come to a solution.”

Shannon concurs, noting the effectiveness of Stoops’s collaborative approach during the spring when the UK football program showed cultural improvements.

Shannon [21:59]: “This spring we heard that the culture and everything was better in the UK football program. So do you think that maybe Stoops is trying to go back to that? What made him successful? Get back to that.”

The hosts discuss the challenges Stoops faces in maintaining team cohesion and the potential reasons behind Vince Merrill’s departure, attributing it partially to differing leadership dynamics and personal relationships within the coaching staff.

3. Listener Calls: Disappointment and Support for UK

Listeners passionately voice their disappointment over Vince Merrill’s decision to join Louisville, reflecting a mix of personal sentiments and broader team loyalty. One caller, Jesse, provides firsthand accounts of the altercation with Merrill.

Jesse [15:01]: “I drove past him and gave the dirty bird up in the air. And then he pulled up next to me and then I gave him the L's down as he was.”

Billy and Shannon use these calls to underscore the intensity of fan emotions and the deep-rooted rivalry between Kentucky and Louisville.

Billy [15:24]: “We know that it did, Shannon. There's no question it happened.”

Shannon [27:34]: “It's totally understandable how invested our listeners are in this situation.”

4. Personal Anecdotes: The Importance of Communication and Egos

Billy shares a personal story from eight years prior, illustrating how pride and lack of communication nearly derailed the relationship between Vince Merrill and Mark Stoops. This anecdote serves as a cautionary tale about the importance of open dialogue and humility in leadership roles.

Billy [38:27]: “Both of these coaches who are both having success and are friends are both saying, why won't the other one call me? So I called Dwayne Peavey and I said, Dwayne, this is what they're saying. And he was like, are you serious? I said, yeah, what do we do? And he goes, all right, I'll call them both.”

Billy [42:28]: “Sometimes when you're sitting there and thinking about these big things, sometimes it's just human beings and their frailties that lead to things like this happening.”

Shannon adds to this narrative by highlighting how pride, especially among men, can hinder constructive conversations and resolutions.

Shannon [39:17]: “A lot of times it is pride.”

5. Speculations and Future Implications for UK Football

The hosts speculate on the future of the UK football program in light of Merrill’s departure. They discuss potential impacts on recruiting, team morale, and overall program perception. Billy proposes possible interim solutions, such as appointing CJ Conrad as the tight ends coach, though he acknowledges the challenges in filling key positions promptly.

Billy [34:12]: “CJ Conrad is great. Is that your long-term recruiting option? Probably not. But I don't know that they're going to be able to fill that Ryan by August.”

Shannon echoes concerns about recruiting and the overarching perception of the program, emphasizing the gravity of Merrill’s exit.

Shannon [34:25]: “The perception is huge. I mean, listen, how many times does an assistant coach leaving make national news at a school like Kentucky? Never. But Vince did. It tells you how big of a movie it is.”

6. Final Thoughts: Navigating Change and Maintaining Loyalty

As the episode progresses, Billy and Shannon reaffirm their unwavering support for the UK program, despite the setbacks. They emphasize the importance of unity and hope for the team’s success moving forward.

Billy [44:54]: “We got to do the bet like we got. We got to hope we win. Right. Doesn't do us any good to hope we lose.”

Shannon [44:53]: “Yes.”

In closing, the hosts reflect on the emotional rollercoaster experienced by fans and the broader implications for the UK athletic community. They remain optimistic yet realistic about the challenges ahead, underscoring the resilience of the fan base and the program’s potential to rebound.

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Notable Quotes:

• Billy [02:21]: “We got Billy here. He's outraged at something Shannon said.”
• Shannon [06:13]: “Wow. That was a heck of a start to a segment.”
• Billy [38:48]: “It's just pride.”
• Shannon [21:44]: “Feels like he's not one of them.”

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Conclusion

This episode of KSR provides a comprehensive and heartfelt exploration of the current state of UK football, focusing on leadership dynamics, fan emotions, and the challenges posed by coaching changes. Through candid discussions and listener interactions, Matt Jones and the KSR crew offer valuable insights into the complexities of maintaining a successful sports program amidst adversity.

Transcript

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[Billy]

Okay, I do recognize for those of you saying that I've like went full doof and schmurtz there in the second half of the first hour. You're right. My voice kind of did the, you know, I, I get it, but I'm a little outraged by a couple things.

[Shannon]

I'm justified.

[Billy]

All right, but we got Billy here. He's outraged at something Shannon said. We got callers. I'm still going to do the end of my analogy I use. But before all that, I have some breaking news. Ronnie, Nana, this is why I love live radio. This is why I think it's the best medium because you never know what's going to happen. We had a caller in the last segment say he went by Dunkin Donuts and threw the Ls down in Frankfurt to Vince Merrill.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Billy]

And we didn't know whether we believed him or not. Did you believe him, Shannon?

[Matt Jones]

No. No.

[Billy]

Did you believe him?

[Shannon]

Right? I did kind of believe him.

[Billy]

I kind of believed him. During the break, for the first time since yesterday, my phone rang, and it was Vince Merrill. And Vince Merrill called to tell me that the guy flipped him off at the Dunking Donuts.

[Shannon]

Not els down.

[Billy]

That he didn't throw ells down, he.

[Matt Jones]

Threw something up instead.

[Billy]

He flipped him off. And I said to him, I'm about to go back on the air. I'm not asking you about any of the rest of this right now.

[Shannon]

You did. You said that.

[Billy]

But I did think that. And I said, do you care if I share that? And he said, yes. So not only is Vince listening, Shannon, he wants to crack. Not. Ls down, middle finger up. Yeah. Wow.

[Matt Jones]

There's a big difference in that. You knew. Ls down. That's fine.

[Billy]

But I want you to think about this. Figure this is my Vince, because I know you're listening. This is why you screwed up, right? You had a relationship with this fan base where literally you would call into the show, like call in during a break and say, yeah, that guy's story. He actually flipped me off. It's not gonna be like that at Louisville. No, there's nothing they have there that's like this. There's nothing. And, you know, I don't know what to tell you, but, wow. So there you go. That's why live radio is right there.

[Shannon]

My guess is that's not gonna be the only time the Vince runs into a situation like that.

[Billy]

All right, so that's number one. Number two, Shannon, you said that Billy said he was going to cheer for Louisville when Kentucky didn't play. Billy, you would like to chime in?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I didn't catch the whole first hour.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I did catch Shannon warping my words again, though.

[Matt Jones]

What did you say then, sir?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I wish Vince Merrow the best of L luck. I did not say I was going.

[Billy]

To be rooting for the Cardinals. To be fair, Shannon, the best of luck you could have would be to win, right?

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Acting like I'm putting a Cardinal hat.

[Billy]

On and rooting for the car. I thought you were going L1C4, Shannon. Give me a break.

[Matt Jones]

They all's up. As you said that. I mean.

[Billy]

No, listen, this guy gave 12 years.

[Shannon]

12 years.

[Billy]

It. Can you hope he wins or loses? I hope he has success, yes, but I'm not.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I wish him the best of luck. Professionally and personally, I do wish him the best.

[Billy]

So Shannon was right. You came in there to Correct him and he was right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm not rooting for the cards. I do hope he finds success in his professional career.

[Billy]

Louisville plays teams that are not. Kentucky are. And Vince Mero is on the sideline. Are you rooting for him to win?

[Matt Jones]

I wish him the best of luck.

[Billy]

What does that mean?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No matter what along his career, I hope he finds success. Yes.

[Billy]

So at Louisville, to find success, he's going to have to win. Do you want him to win?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, I don't want him success.

[Billy]

If he's not winning, it might be.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Personally, who knows the relationships.

[Billy]

He said personally and professionally, Yes, I.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hope he finds success. No, I do not root for the Cardinals to win.

[Billy]

Specifically, I don't understand what success can he have if they don't win? Like, you mean just success in like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, he could be a good recruiter. He could bring in some guys that make and they all lose. But no, listen.

[Billy]

Wow.

[Shannon]

I got a number to a tattoo shop. Just go get that big L tattoo in your back when you leave here.

[Matt Jones]

Dude, you should have just let us. You know what?

[Billy]

This is the equivalent of Vince's interview in December for you. You made it worse.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you've been better off coming.

[Billy]

You've been better off not coming in. Turn his mic off. 859-280287.

[Shannon]

Wow.

[Billy]

Wow. That was a heck of a start to a segment.

[Matt Jones]

What I said was, I looks like.

[Billy]

Shannon, I was about to give you a hard time. It looks like you were right. It looks like you were correct.

[Matt Jones]

Personally, I love Vince, but professionally, I can't root for him now. That's it. That's it.

[Billy]

I'm with you. Unbelievable.

[Shannon]

Vince has to understand that as our fan base. He has to understand why we feel this way.

[Billy]

He thinks everyone is Billy. But be clear. Only Billy is Billy. Billy and. And Jerry. Jerry who? I'm very disappointed in you, Jerry. You've called here, you've called this show almost as much as anyone. I'm disappointed in you. All right, I'm going to do my analogy on leadership because I do think that Game of Thrones thing is important, but let's go through a few of these. Doing good. 30 seconds. Go to car.

[Caller]

Be easier, I think. Yeah. If that's all right. Because that just, you know.

[Billy]

20 seconds. Doing good.

[Matt Jones]

Talking to us.

[Billy]

No.

[Shannon]

Have a good conversation with someone. Gentlemen.

[Caller]

I'm doing good. How are you?

[Billy]

15. Sorry about that.

[Caller]

Work was going on. 15 seconds is all I need is this big fan of events, but not if you go to an inferior institution. Ls down, little dog. Ls down.

[Billy]

There we go.

[Matt Jones]

That's a good recovery.

[Billy]

Good recovery.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Good recovery. Larry from Paducah. 30 seconds.

[Caller]

Has Stoops ever explained how he lost that team last year?

[Billy]

He said that they had some culture issues, but he's not gone into any detail. Correct.

[Caller]

So the answer is no?

[Billy]

The answer is no.

[Caller]

Thanks.

[Shannon]

Make good use of these 30 seconds.

[Billy]

I'm telling you, these guys kind of using their 30 seconds correctly. 8, 5, 9, 2, 8, 02, 2. 87. Bill, come for it.

[Caller]

All right, Vince, I'm glad you're listening, because when you throw the L's up, I hope to God your hand cramps. I hope they don't have those little bags of Fritos in Louisville. All right. I hope that. You know, when you go do the karaoke of simple man and acc, all six of their fans at the ACC tournament, all six of their fans are gonna love it. Okay? But at the end of the day, you are not a big dog anymore. You are no more than a toy poodle. And I hope you stub your toe when you have your press conference. But I do love you, buddy. Until then.

[Billy]

You know what, though? Like, that's the. Like, that's.

[Shannon]

That's. That's what the fan base feels right now.

[Billy]

Still love you, buddy. Hope I can't articulate that bad. Yeah. There's not gonna be Shannon a moment where he sings that Louisville doesn't have an Alice blue gown.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, we.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

The good thing is, as our bass player pointed out, we don't have to sing simple man anymore.

[Billy]

Sheriff.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Billy]

You're gonna have to do science projects with. He's the nerdiest person we have. Shannon the D. What are you in the Sheriff gonna do? Going. Going. Like. I mean, come on. This is what you signed up for, right?

[Matt Jones]

He's a little dog now.

[Shannon]

Dirty dog.

[Billy]

Maybe he'll show up in a Jack Harlow video. I guess that's the best he. That's the best he could hope for is he could dance with Jack Harlow next to my car in the back in my backyard. That's it.

[Shannon]

Go hang out with Terry. Miners. In the end, Tony.

[Billy]

Gotta be careful. I like Terry and Tony and Nick and. And, you know. But JB. JB. Go. 30 seconds.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt. Long time. First time. Who I think this probably. That is lowlife patrol. Move as a coach could do. As far as motivation. Do you think maybe he sees some writing on the wall at the end of the season for Stoops and it's. It's Easier to find a job when you got a job. And maybe send big bird Billy to Louisville with.

[Billy]

You know, all of those things are true. There's no doubt. There's got to be part of this that's riding on the wall. You're probably right. It is probably easier to find. Find a job when you've got a job. But he'd have gotten a job no matter what. I mean, I think as soon if Mark would had been let go at the end of the year, Vince would have had a host of opportunities. Not just Louisville. He would add a host opportunities. He clearly wanted to do it right now. And that's the part I don't understand.

[Shannon]

And the fact that, you know, he just got married. He bought a new house here. His wife's kids are around here. You know, there's a kind of got the roots were digging in deep here, picking them up and moving. Not just anywhere down the road to the rival. That's what's hard to accept.

[Billy]

He's probably gonna make that drive on I 64. You know, when he stopped at the Frankfurt Dunkin Donuts, that might have been the drive to go to Louisville.

[Shannon]

I'm sure it was.

[Billy]

I didn't even think about that Meeting.

[Shannon]

With people right now, probably.

[Billy]

You think so, Shannon?

[Matt Jones]

Probably so, yeah. I mean, why else would he be there?

[Shannon]

I mean, there are Dunkin Donuts in Lexington. Could have stopped. You just needed a donut and a coffee.

[Billy]

Is there a Dunkin next to the interstate that you would pull right off?

[Shannon]

Oh, sure.

[Billy]

Which one?

[Shannon]

The one in Frankfurt.

[Billy]

Yeah, yeah, it's right off the interstate. Yes. You think he just pulled off? Yep. On the way to Louisville?

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Billy]

Got a donut.

[Shannon]

Had a donut.

[Billy]

Got flipped off, got back in his.

[Shannon]

Car, turned KSR back on to hear what we're saying about him to go along with.

[Matt Jones]

With it.

[Shannon]

He tells that famous story. The fan stopped him in a supermarket in Lexington when he was thinking about the Michigan job.

[Billy]

Yes. That was a big deal to him.

[Shannon]

Big deal. The fan kind of, he says, changed his mind about that job a little bit.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Now the fan throwing the middle finger up in the air at him. What's he think about that?

[Billy]

Unbelievable. Jesse, 30 seconds.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt, thanks for taking my call. Glad to hear the Vince's listening because I think there's kind of two ways.

[Ryan Seacrest]

To look at the story here.

[Caller]

And I. I just want to say thanks to Vince for everything he did for the program. The way that the program turned around was what led me to buying season tickets a few years ago. But I've also let those tickets go after this year kind of for the same reason. I'm. I'm disappointed in what's happening, where he was at.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm disappointed where he's going, but I.

[Caller]

Can'T do anything about him going to Louisville.

[Billy]

So just, you know, I understand that. Yeah. You definitely do have to say, like, he, He. He was awesome here and like, he. No doubt, maybe the best recruiter Kentucky football's ever had.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Billy]

You still went to Louis.

[Shannon]

You know, like we said earlier in.

[Billy]

The first, I loved John Cena, but when he turns on Cody. Rhodes turns on Cody.

[Matt Jones]

That's right.

[Billy]

Right. Like, you still.

[Matt Jones]

Still a heel turn. You can't just ignore it.

[Billy]

You can't just act like it didn't happen.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Billy]

You know.

[Shannon]

You know, I think was our first caller brought up the name John Sumrall. It's something like we're going to hear a lot between.

[Billy]

Yeah, I get all that. But like, Mark Stoops is the coach this year, so I am. You're going to hear me say we got to hope it works.

[Shannon]

Absolutely.

[Billy]

It doesn't do us any good to hope it doesn't work.

[Shannon]

Correct.

[Billy]

What does that do? That's just cutting off your nose spot your face.

[Shannon]

We want it to work.

[Billy]

We want it to work. You know, so John Sumrall, like, is that a discussion to have if. If things don't work? Yeah, that's a discussion. But right now, like, if he ain't gonna be the coach tomorrow, we got. We got to try to win with what we got. Right?

[Shannon]

Very true.

[Billy]

Adam. Go ahead, Adam. 30 seconds.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt. First time, long time.

[Billy]

Who are.

[Caller]

Hey, I just wanted to say as a fan, very appreciative of everything Vince did for the program. Personally, my son has aspirations of playing college football. Vince at camps. Vince has taken the time to go talk to him several times. But that said, he went to Louisville. I hope we get the chance to run it down his throat. Run over that sideline. I don't care if we get a penalty. Throw the L down in his.

[Shannon]

You have to drop that.

[Billy]

Drop that.

[Matt Jones]

No, no. He did it on his own.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Billy]

I will say if we win again. I don't. I don't expect we will. If we go down there and win at Louisville, I'll be on the field looking for.

[Shannon]

Looking for him.

[Billy]

I'll. I will. I'll take the penalty. Might need to take some bodyguards, but I'll be throwing the else down.

[Shannon]

If they're able to win at Louisville.

[Billy]

This year, can you Imagine. All right, so because this is going to be gloom and doom for a while, can you imagine what the celebration would be like? Big for everyone involved if they beat.

[Shannon]

Louisville with Vince standing on the sideline over there? Because they're probably going to have a good season. We're probably not.

[Billy]

Now, what's the more likely scenario is then Louisville beats us and we have to watch Vince throwing Ls up. Oh, I can tell you this. To whatever extent those first couple of calls were province when that comes out, like, what's. What are we going to do in the press conference here in two days when he does this? That's happening.

[Shannon]

It's definitely going to happen. They introduce him and he throwing Ls up.

[Billy]

I mean, he has to.

[Shannon]

He's got to show. He's all in. He's got to show the Louisville fan base he's all in on.

[Billy]

He has to. I mean, that's what he has to do. Unbelievable. Jesse, 30 seconds.

[Caller]

Matt, this is Jesse from Dunkin Donuts. I just want to say I drove past him and gave the dirty bird up in the air. And then he pulled up next to me and then I gave him the L's down as he was.

[Billy]

So you gave him the dirty bird first. Interesting. You skipped that part when you told the story.

[Caller]

Yeah, I know, I know. I know. I did. I. I feel a little bad, but not too bad.

[Billy]

Really.

[Caller]

See y' all go, cat.

[Billy]

Appreciate the call.

[Shannon]

Well, now we know the full story.

[Billy]

We know that it did, Shannon. There's no question it happened.

[Matt Jones]

Yep. Got the dirty bird. Confirmation from both sides.

[Billy]

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[Shannon]

The way Mario said it's so convincingly.

[Billy]

I thought I just missed the story. He was so convinced. What person writes, vince Merrow was a great coach here. He's now no longer the coach here. I look at it as if Andy Beshear became governor of Russia. I don't have to wish him well as governor of Russia.

[Shannon]

Fair.

[Billy]

I mean, wrong.

[Matt Jones]

That's extreme comparison. But yeah.

[Billy]

It is a little bit of an extreme comparison, right? One person writes, matt, do you think Vince gets the bird all the time now thanks to Jesse? No, but probably gets it at least one more time. @ some point I won't be surprised.

[Shannon]

If he gets it quite a bit. You know, the L just drop a couple fingers. It can be a good handle movement for us. Ls down. Dirty bird.

[Billy]

It's amazing. He does all right for. Let me tell you just one last thing. When I was talking about the leadership thing, about the different. The two different leadership styles sort of top down. So let me. I used presidents. Let me also use coaches. Caliperi was a top down leader.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Billy]

That at his best would listen to his assistance and then make a decision. And then they all had the marching orders.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Billy]

At his worst, he stopped listening to them. But at his best that was what he did. Right. But it was Cal's way. Tubby was more let me kind of hear everybody's opinions. And depending on who he was with, he could be swayed. Right? True. Luckily he had a group of people he trusted, but it was more of a group think mentality. Would you agree with that?

[Shannon]

Very much so, yes.

[Billy]

Here's the negative about that. If a person who operates like that is not firm in their convictions, then they can get floated around depending on the day. If you read some of the books about Biden and Trump, they. That's when they're at their worst. Whoever they happen to be around that day, that's what they do. So there are pros and cons to each one. Mark Stoops has always been a let's kind of group think mentality. Whereas Cal was top down, he was group think. When Stoops is at his best, he would hear all these people, they would work together and they would come to a solution.

[Shannon]

And it seemed to have worked.

[Billy]

And it worked. What I think has happened in recent years is as has Mark has kind of, I don't want to say detached, but has not been as strong in his success. It has become a Game of Thrones thing there. Who can be closest to the king? Right. And I think Vince kind of got pushed to the side by some of those people. Now whose fault is that? I'm not there enough to know, to be honest with you. Is it. Were things better or worse? I mean, the results on the field have been worse. But I do think that that has been an issue. I think that's led to some people departing. It's also led to some dysfunction. And so two different leadership styles, both can be successful. At the end of the Cal era, we saw what the negative part of top down looks like.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Billy]

And I wonder if now in the Stoops there we're seeing the negative part of the kind of group think era. Does that make sense.

[Shannon]

I think it's a great analogy that you put out there. So, you know, this. This spring we heard that the, the, the. The culture and everything was better in the UK football program. So do you think that maybe Stoopzz is trying to go back to that? What made him successful? Get back to that.

[Billy]

I think he. I think he just has a different group of people he's following right now.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Billy]

Now will it be better?

[Shannon]

Feels like he's not one of them.

[Billy]

Vince probably feels like he's left out. That's just my sense. I don't know that for sure, but that's just my sense.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Still, you can't go to Louisville.

[Shannon]

No.

[Billy]

John. 30 seconds. Go.

[Caller]

He is now the enemy. I don't wear red shirts. I won't even wear red underwear.

[Shannon]

And just let me know where I.

[Caller]

Can send my resume for the general manager at ksr.

[Billy]

Appreciate the call. You know, yeah, red. I wear red some because of the reds, but I'm not a huge fan. But I'm not going to wear a Louisville shirt except in like a skit.

[Shannon]

Yeah. We just saw Mark Pope wouldn't even let one of his kids wear red socks in his camp the other day.

[Billy]

It's exactly right.

[Shannon]

So when Vince marches out on the news conference introducing him as a coach, he's got a Louisville shirt on, Louisville hat on.

[Billy]

Boo.

[Shannon]

Booing him big time. I like you.

[Billy]

See, I don't even know how you could like. I know. It's just like I said, though, on the. On the Twitter space last night. We do need to remember, though. For me, for Ryan, for Shannon, for Drew, for Mario. I used to think for Billy, but I'll now take him out of that. For those five of us, we will always care more than the people who are employees of the university do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Billy]

Yeah, we will.

[Matt Jones]

For them, it's just a job. It's a business.

[Billy]

It's a job. Now, there are some exceptions. It wasn't just a job for Jo B.

[Caller]

Hall.

[Billy]

I don't think it's just a job for Mark Pope, but that. But for, you know. But there are other people for whom it is just a job.

[Matt Jones]

I feel like if you didn't grow up here, you know, or play here, then it's different. Yeah.

[Billy]

Okay, so let's imagine I got. I. KSR ended and I took a job at Illinois Sports Radio. I'm gonna be all in. Let's go, Ilana. Right. I'm gonna sit there and think of all the Illinois greats. Like.

[Shannon]

Okay, Dan, Paula, Lumbo. What his name was Dan Palombo.

[Billy]

Making that name up. I'm trying to. Who played basketball in Illinois? Whoever. I'll create someone. But I'll tell you this, I'm gonna love it. But you know, then if, if Ohio State offers me more money, I might now all of a sudden be an Ohio State guy. In Illinois. It was fun. I loved it.

[Shannon]

Let's go Buckeyes.

[Billy]

But when it's Kentucky, I can't do that with Louisville and Tennessee. Like I could do it with Colorado, in Colorado State because I don't really have a connection with either one of them. But I can't do it with Kentucky and Louisville. We always have to remember that these people are what I would be to Colorado and Colorado State. It's a job, not their essence.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Which is what it is for us. So that's why we should always kind of not be shocked that they do this.

[Shannon]

If they do it, coaches, especially assistant coaches in football, they bounce around. Usually every year staffs change after every season. But like I said earlier, it usually happens in January, February before spring football.

[Billy]

Darren Williams.

[Shannon]

Darren Williams is a good one. Yeah.

[Billy]

Anybody else?

[Shannon]

Dan Palumbo.

[Billy]

That's not a name.

[Shannon]

Palumbio.

[Billy]

You think of Joey Palumbo.

[Shannon]

He was a five star sayer.

[Billy]

He's gonna be sad too. Lost his. Jeff Ruby's friend.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

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[Billy]

All right, I am going to tell the Michigan story and I got it. And I'm going to go to the phone calls for here, just right now. But let me just say I'm sorry. Murray State, like it was awesome. He made the world. It was awesome.

[Shannon]

They had to win the game twice.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. It was crazy.

[Billy]

And I guess we'll have to talk about it tomorrow because I do want to talk about it, but we just can't right now.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Even though it was awesome.

[Shannon]

It was awesome.

[Billy]

I will try to get Skrna Skirka on later in the week. It was awesome. And I was as happy as I've been for a non Kentucky baseball team ever.

[Shannon]

Same.

[Billy]

But sorry, this is. This is what it is. You what? Okay. So did that dude play at Illinois? He didn't play at Illinois.

[Shannon]

Dan Palumbizio.

[Billy]

That's not a person.

[Shannon]

It is a person. He was Indiana, Mr. Basketball, but he didn't play Illinois.

[Billy]

Where'd he play?

[Shannon]

Ball State.

[Matt Jones]

Close.

[Billy]

That's very different, Shannon. Ball State in Illinois.

[Shannon]

Yeah. I thought he went To Illinois.

[Billy]

And you thought he went to Illinois, but he went to Ball State.

[Shannon]

Went to Ball State.

[Billy]

Okay. It's not the same. All right, so we still. I'll still say just Darren was Williams. He's Nick Anderson apparently went there too.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

All right, let's go through here. Fake Barney, 30 seconds.

[Caller]

Vince is now my second favorite Vince. Or even lower beyond behind Vince Gill.

[Shannon]

Matt, I'm joining all the women 15.

[Caller]

Years older than us to say go rest high in Dixie Highway Vape shop. Little dog, your time at Camelot is done. Traded Jeff Rubies for trash bag juice at tailgate. Crappy science museums in hepatitis days have come. Wow.

[Shannon]

Wow.

[Billy]

Fake Barney comes from the alt.

[Matt Jones]

Wow.

[Billy]

Been a while since we've heard. Had a song for Vince.

[Matt Jones]

Feels like an old school ks.

[Billy]

It kind of does with some of these. Some of these older folks. All right, let's go to Joey. 30 seconds.

[Caller]

I can't f. I can't be serious after fake Barney, but. So I guess it was a roller coaster. Emotions for me. I was really tore up. I was really upset. And then I realized it was probably something petty that sent him to Louisville from Kentucky. So I'm not gonna let you know. I really don't think he can. The absence of Vince Mar is really going to affect us that much program wise. But then I thought after your Twitter space, I couldn't sleep last night. I was so upset when you said that Joe Craft would support him.

[Billy]

I didn't say that. Let me be clear. I didn't say that. I said someone asked me and I appreciate the call. Would Joe Kraft still be Kentucky for. And I said, yes, Joe Craft. Kentucky will always. Joe Craft is like us. Joe Craft is like us. Kentucky first bleeds blue. Bleeds blue. He is not gonna be switching to Louisville. The question was, is it plausible that he could do something for Vince at Louisville? And I said I didn't know, but it wouldn't shock me because they are best friends.

[Shannon]

It's definitely plausible.

[Billy]

It's plausible. I didn't say it would happen. Said it was plausible. Kentucky will always though be first for them. I'm sure of that. But would it shock me? Was my question. And I said no, I think you're fair.

[Shannon]

What you just said about that.

[Billy]

Yes. So that I do want to be clear about that list. This stuff is named after Joker. Kentucky still going to be first.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Billy]

But you know, I would use it as an example of like, take my friend Tall. Tall ran for the Republican governor of Kentucky. Tall is a Democrat. But if he. If he ran for. Would I give him money? Yeah, probably because he's like my. One of my best friends.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Billy]

That's the way I think that they would see it.

[Shannon]

What is Joe Crash relationship with Mark Stoops, then?

[Billy]

I assume positive. I have no reason to assume. But Vince was who he was the closest to.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Much more so than anyone else. More than Mark, more than Cal, more than anybody. Was. Was Vince. Peggy, 30 seconds.

[Caller]

You said that Vince is married to the president's secretary.

[Billy]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't. She still. I don't think she still works. No, I don't think she's still work, but that's that they were. She did work there.

[Caller]

Okay. Okay. Well, then that throws up my scenario that he knew what was coming down. But going to Louisville, really, Vince, come on, give us all a break. And as far as him and Mark fighting, well, because Mark, in my opinion, has become a me, me, me, me coach.

[Billy]

There you go. Peggy with her take. Peggy comes in. He had people coming that way. I haven't heard him for a while. Just like.

[Shannon]

Well, they still.

[Billy]

If there's a pointed in you, Jerry, tomorrow, you got to make amends, Bill. Go ahead, Bill.

[Caller]

Times. It might have. Yes. Something that you all always say on the show that I cringe every time you say it is you got to do what's best for you. And so I know Matthew will say, well, I don't think this is best for Bench, but should he be allowed to make that decision himself?

[Billy]

And anyway, are you saying you are. You disagree that he should do what's best for him? Or like, I don't get your point. Totally. Bill.

[Caller]

On the show, you all will say, well, he's got to do what's best for him. And I just think that that's not always the case. I hate that he's gone. He did a great job for us, but, you know, he thinks it's best for him. You all always say, well, yeah, that's true.

[Billy]

I appreciate the call, but you know what? Yeah, you do have to do. I mean, okay, let's say I had no connection to Kentucky. I appreciate the call, Bill. And Vince was my friend, and he said, should I do? And I go, well, you gotta do what's best for you. But I do have a connection to Kentucky.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

And I do. Should he do what's best for him? Sure. But that doesn't mean. It's like when people say some. Like, I always hate when people who go, you know, in today's world, you can't Say what you want. Yes, you can. But you also have to deal with the reaction to it.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Billy]

You can say it, but the world doesn't guarantee you that people will not get mad at you.

[Shannon]

Very true.

[Billy]

I will stand up for anybody's right to say something and not go to prison for saying it. But I'm not gonna say. You have a right to not get yelled at back. Vince has a right to go to Louisville. If that's what's best for him, he should do it. But he's gonna get flipped off at the Dunkin Donuts. Like that's part like. You don't have a right to get the reaction you want. You have a right to do your behavior. But Ryan, the reaction is what it is.

[Shannon]

Like we said earlier in the show, if. If he's. If he's gone to Michigan State today we are celebrating Vince Merrill. But he didn't. He's going to our rival down the street. Our in state rival.

[Billy]

So he's.

[Shannon]

This is why the. The emotions are so high about this scenario.

[Billy]

Yes. Luther. 30 seconds.

[Caller]

Listen, enjoy the second rate fan base down on Floyd Street. They're bums. You're a bum. You make me sick. The fan bas makes me sick. Enjoy the train track. It ain't it. Put a bra on. Le.

[Billy]

Luther Dennis. Go ahead, Dennis.

[Caller]

Coach Morrow, man, I used to love but now I despise. You are a traitor. You have betrayed the UK B UK fans. And now my question to Matt Jones is who do we go after that's going to be a great recruiter? Someone like a Wesley Goodgard. Yes or no?

[Billy]

I would say if it were me, I would make CJ Conrad the tight end coach for this year. I think he's done a great job. I appreciate the call. Players love him. I think he's done a lot of the really good X and O. Like I think CJ Conrad is great. Is that your long term recruiting option? Probably not. But I don't know that they're going to be able to fill that Ryan by August.

[Shannon]

Yeah. This time of this is kind of weird.

[Billy]

What makes this so bad is the timing of it.

[Shannon]

Yeah. I don't even know where C.J. is now. He was at EKU for a year, then I think he went somewhere else last year.

[Billy]

Oh, is he? Yeah, he would be my pick. But I mean listen, the. The loss events is less about the tight end coach part of it.

[Shannon]

Correct.

[Billy]

That is. That is a replaceable thing.

[Shannon]

Good point. You can replace a coach. It's that perception now to me it's.

[Billy]

The recruiting and the perception. The perception is huge. I mean, listen, how many times does an assistant coach leaving make national news at a school like Kentucky? Never. Never. But Vince did.

[Shannon]

And it's all we've talked about.

[Billy]

All this was on. It was on sports like it was on the sports center social media pages.

[Shannon]

Tells you how big of a movie.

[Billy]

That tells you how big of a movie. And in college football, in the college football world, it will definitely be seen as something. All right, let's do. Let's do Jared, real quick. 30 seconds. Okay.

[Caller]

Vince Merrill. The dirty bird finger and the L's down. Shall now be the official Vince Merrill greeting. He did that to UK football, UK athletics and now bbn. Don't go to the loserville down the road. The real Jerry out.

[Billy]

There you go. Shannon, he says he's the real Jerry.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Billy]

Aren't you disappointed in Jerry?

[Matt Jones]

Little bit. Yeah.

[Billy]

A little bit disappointed in Jerry.

[Shannon]

It was our second call, too.

[Billy]

He's like, he's probably called more about football than anybody. By the way, this catch by the guy on the A's was.

[Shannon]

Was insane. He's had like three, like three catches like that in the past.

[Billy]

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[Billy]

Good conversations during the break. Great conversations. Radio, right, Shannon? We can't. Can't get into it. I wish we could, but we can't. All right, so I. I don't think I've ever told this story before, have I?

[Shannon]

I don't think you've ever told it on the air.

[Billy]

All right, so this is a true story, and it is. I use this story just to sort of remind you that people that we talk about as coaches, et cetera, are at their core just human beings with human emotions where little things can annoy you.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Billy]

Right. So I have a friend who like a week and a half ago, I had a little negative interaction with, and when I stepped back and looked at it, I was like, this is over something really stupid, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

And sometimes it's just over. Especially with men. Just like pride.

[Shannon]

A lot of it. A lot of times it is time.

[Billy]

It's just pride.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Billy]

So this is a true story. And I. I feel like it's been eight years, so you can say something.

[Shannon]

Eight years.

[Billy]

So when, when Vince first got offered a gig somewhere else that I can remember, a big one, it was Michigan.

[Shannon]

Michigan.

[Billy]

This was when Harbaugh first got to Michigan. Right. So what we're talking maybe 2017.

[Shannon]

I don't remember when it was something like that.

[Billy]

And I would often during that time talk with Vince and he would tell me his thought process. And he called me and we, this was one of the times we were talking about it and he said something to the effect of, you know, I'm considering this. And I was like, you know, man, I'd understand Michigan.

[Shannon]

It's Michigan football.

[Billy]

It's hardball. I get it.

[Shannon]

Before we had our 10 win seasons, it's Michigan.

[Billy]

I think that we, I think maybe we hadn't had a 10 win season yet. But we were good. We were on the up, right?

[Shannon]

True.

[Billy]

And I said, I understand. And he, he said, well, I don't really want to, but I don't really want to leave. I go, oh, okay. And then he said, but it doesn't feel like Mark really cares if I stay or go. And I said, oh. I was like, he hasn't really expressed that to you. And he goes, not really. And I went, oh, okay. Well, I was like, I'm sure he does. Remember, these are lifelong friends.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I'm like, well, I'm sure he does. Hour later, phone rings. It's Mark. Mark says, do you think he's gonna go? And I said, I don't know. You know, I'm not sure. And he said, I don't understand why Vince won't just call and tell me that he wants to stay and that he wants to be here. And I said, well, why don't you call him? And he was like, well, I mean, I think he should call me. Then I call Vince. I'm like, why don't you call Mark? And he was like, well, if he wants me to stay, he should call me. I'm. I'm not making this up.

[Shannon]

Oh, I know.

[Billy]

I'm a radio host. Shannon.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Both of these coaches who are both having success and are friends are both saying, why won't the other one call me? So I called Dwayne Peavey and I said, dwayne, this is what they're saying. And he was like, are you serious? I said, yeah, what do we do? And he goes, all right, I'll call them both. And he three ways them in, and 20 minutes later, I get a call from Vince. He's staying.

[Shannon]

All it took.

[Billy]

All it took was the two of them getting on the phone together, but neither of them wanted to make the first phone call.

[Matt Jones]

It took pride.

[Billy]

It took me getting Dwayne to bring the two of them together. Dwayne, by the way, the basketball ad at the top. Not even the. He wasn't even over football.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Billy]

It took bringing him in to get these two people who'd had a lifelong relationship to just put their egos aside and talk to each other.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Billy]

Right. And 20 minutes later, it was fine. And I always think about that story, to think like, don't let stupid stuff like ego get in the way of a good thing. Okay, fast forward eight years later. I don't know what all's happened in the interim since then. I don't talk to Mark nearly as much as I used to back then, almost never. And I still talked to Vince, although I hadn't in a while. I don't know, maybe that maybe, like it wouldn't have taken a phone call this time. Maybe it's a lot more than that. Probably is. But it is always important to remember that sometimes when you're sitting there and thinking about these big things, sometimes it's just human beings and their frailties that lead to things like this happening.

[Shannon]

Well, you talked about it and Shannon just said it. A lot of times it's pride. Especially for men, it's pride. So hearing what you just said, I blame you and Duane Peavey for this split this week. Why didn't you guys get them? Did them together last week?

[Billy]

Doesn't work here anymore. And I did not know this was going down, so I'm not sure that it would have. It would have played out exactly the same this time. But I mean, are you at its core. Let me ask you this. I have a strong answer to this, but I'll ask you, at its core, do you think this is ultimately about two friends who just couldn't make it work out?

[Shannon]

I think there's some truth to that. I think it comes down to this. Is this how I take it? I think Vince has seen the writing on the wall. He doesn't like the way things are going at uk. He's got a chance for go to three years. I'm taking it. Friendship aside, I think it was about one of the perception of the program is not in good standing right now not the way he thinks it should be.

[Billy]

I would disagree with that. I mean, I do think that's probably part of it. I mean, if they had won 10 games, would he. Yeah. But I do think. I think this is just a relationship that kind of broke but just got.

[Shannon]

That's kind of sad. That is kind of sad.

[Billy]

But he's going to Louisville, so, like still anywhere else.

[Shannon]

Anywhere else, I'm okay. He could probably go to an SEC school. I'd be okay. You can't go to Louisville.

[Billy]

Yeah, can't go. So, you know, I wish. I wish it hadn't happened. But now we're going to still talk about this more obviously. But going forward, I'm on Kentucky side.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Billy]

You know, we got to do the bet like we got. We got to hope we win. Right. Doesn't do us any good to hope we lose. I'm never going to be the person that says, well, I hope we have a bad year so we can move like, I'm never going to be that guy we needed to win. Now do I think we will? I'm not real confident right now, but I hope we do.

[Shannon]

Does the temperature of Mark stoops his seat get a little hotter now?

[Billy]

It was already hot, but now it's like scalding.

[Shannon]

I think so too.

[Billy]

Now it's like scalding.

[Shannon]

I think so too.

[Billy]

So because. Because. Because we're gonna have a summer recruiting where they're probably gonna get a lot of guys and we're not.

[Shannon]

Will some people decommit that Vince will.

[Billy]

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[Billy]

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