2025-10-07- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

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Kentucky Sports Radio – Hour 2 (October 7, 2025)

Hosts: Matt Jones, Ryan Lemond, Shannon the Dude, Drew Franklin
Live from: KS Bar and Grill
Main Theme: Kentucky sports news, UK basketball and football developments, local team updates, NIL and college coaching contracts

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Episode Overview

This episode features the KSR crew discussing major breaking news in Kentucky and college sports, from Duke basketball's recruitment innovation to the arrival of a pro football team in Louisville. They dive into UK football’s struggles, debate high-profile names for “Chief Basketball Officer,” analyze coaching contracts in the NIL era, and keep the banter flowing with entertaining asides and fan calls. The tone is spirited, candid, and lightly sarcastic, making for a packed and lively hour.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Duke’s “Chief Basketball Officer” and Kentucky’s Stars (03:10–06:12)

• Duke has named Jason Tatum their “Chief Basketball Officer” – a symbolic move to boost recruiting and player selection. Matt and the crew see this as a trend Kentucky ought to emulate.
• UK’s potential candidates debated: Karl-Anthony Towns, Devin Booker, Anthony Davis, and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander are all discussed, with pros and cons for each.
  • Shannon prefers Karl because “he would actually be the most involved” (05:05).
  • Matt points out, "You're the least cool of the group for the number one pick" (05:11) but agrees involvement matters over “coolness.”
  • They note other schools (Oklahoma—Trae Young; Davidson—Steph Curry) doing the same for recruiting cachet.

2. Reed Sheppard’s Arkansas Shirt Fiasco (06:26–07:18)

• The hosts revisit the controversial incident where UK’s Reed Sheppard wore an Arkansas shirt, expressing a forgiving but still shocked reaction.
  • Matt jokes, “I love him, but I still can't believe he wore that Arkansas shirt” (06:51).
  • Ryan: “If he just would have flipped it, put a Kentucky shirt on...” (06:55).
  • They draw parallels to wedding apparel politics—never wear a rival’s colors!

3. UFL’s Louisville Kings – Pro Football Comes to Kentucky (07:29–09:35)

• Breaking news: The United Football League is placing a pro team in Louisville, named the Louisville Kings.
  • Shannon and Matt think “Kings” is a boring name and suggest alternatives like “Louisville Bourbons” or “Louisville Leopards.”
  • Shannon explains the name: “It celebrates the deep history and heritage… builds off the royal connection to France’s King Louis… and the Derby is known as the Sport of Kings. They combined them” (08:56–09:17).

4. Ryan Lemond’s National Endorsement & Negotiation Mishaps (09:35–15:44)

• Ryan landed a national ad for Alarm.com—but admits he did it “for nothing,” only getting a box of doggy toys as a bonus.
  • Matt teases: “You negotiated for nothing… and then they threw in doggy toys” (11:22–11:27).
  • Extensive banter about Photoshop touch-ups in Ryan’s ad photo, including “Peyton Manning's comb-over” and “more hair than usual” (13:02–13:12).
  • Matt’s business advice: “The more they’re going to use it, the more that should be in pocket.” Ryan admits: “I probably did not use proper negotiating tactics” (15:03–15:09).

5. Fan Frustration: UK Football Woes & Mark Stoops’ Future (15:53–18:07)

• Caller Robbie says, “Everybody’s checked out on football… It’s time for Stoops to go” (15:53).
• Matt agrees: “We’re definitively the worst team in the SEC right now” (16:35) and speculates that, for the first time, donors might be ready to fund a buyout if necessary.
• Buyout structure discussed – immediate payment required, 70% of remaining contract (17:55–18:07).

6. Upcoming UK Fan Fest Event (22:20–23:56)

• Breakdown of Saturday’s “Fan Fest” schedule at Rupp Arena’s exhibit center. Main draw: player and coach talks and autograph sessions.
  • Matt: “I think this really is an awesome event. Exactly what UK basketball and athletics should do more of” (22:20–23:27).
  • Ryan and Shannon miss the player/fan camps and say this is a strong step for community interaction (23:27–23:38).

7. Liam Coen to NFL: Legacy and Reactions (24:22–25:52)

• Stoops credited for hiring Coen as OC—twice—even if Kentucky’s offense didn’t thrive.
  • Shannon: "I’ll give him a check [mark]... at least gotta applaud him for finding Liam” (24:22).
  • Ryan: "I give him two checks, hired the guy twice.” (24:52)

8. Josh Allen’s NFL Stardom (26:55–27:28)

• Matt lauds the former UK star: "Our Josh Allen is an absolute machine... One of the five best defensive ends in the league." (26:55)
• Shannon and Ryan agree on Allen’s elite status.

9. NIL, Coaching Contracts & Changing College Sports Landscape (37:21–43:10)

• Extended discussion on whether coaches’ massive contracts will shrink now that NIL is dominant.
  • Matt asserts, “The years of coaches getting eight-year deals… $12 million a year. I think that’s going away” (38:25).
  • Shannon: “There’s just a shelf life on coaching no matter how good you have it” (39:38).
  • Matt: “The second biggest [change] is going to be before NIL and after NIL” (41:00), noting old guard coaches struggle to adapt.
  • Who adapts? Rick Pitino (basketball) and Kirby Smart (football) cited as rare examples excelling pre- and post-NIL (42:29–42:46).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Matt Jones [on recruiting officer]: "We don't need them to do anything. We just need them to answer the phone." (05:23)
• Shannon [on UK stars]: “I would lean Carl because I think he would actually be the most involved.” (05:05)
• Matt Jones [on football struggles]: "We’re definitively the worst team in the SEC right now in the conference. And… that's got to change. That’s the one thing that can’t happen.” (16:35)
• On doggy toy payment:
  • Matt: “So you negotiated for nothing... and then they threw in doggy toys?” (11:22)
  • Ryan: "They threw in a box of doggy toys. ...There’s like $200 worth of doggy toys." (11:29)
• On NIL's impact:
  • Matt: “The second biggest [change] is going to be before NIL and after NIL... There are coaches who simply could not coach after integration. I think you’re going to end up with a set of coaches who… just didn’t know how to do [NIL].” (41:00)
  • Shannon: "Any coach already paying before NIL... now struggling that it’s just out in the open because that was their advantage.” (41:49)
• On Belichick (football coaching drama):
  • Matt: “He has three family members on staff, two sons and a son-in-law… and a girlfriend staff too.” (35:21, 35:27)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:10–06:12 – Duke’s Jason Tatum announcement; Kentucky’s own stars for “Chief Basketball Officer”
• 07:29–09:35 – Louisville Kings UFL team announced and debated
• 09:35–15:44 – The Alarm.com endorsement and Ryan’s “dog toy deal”
• 15:53–18:07 – Call-in venting about UK football and Stoops’ job security
• 22:20–23:56 – Fan Fest event breakdown
• 24:22–25:52 – Liam Coen’s coaching legacy at UK and move to the NFL
• 26:55–27:28 – Josh Allen’s NFL performances
• 37:21–43:10 – College coaching contracts and the NIL era; who adapts, who doesn’t

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Tone & Episode Style

The crew maintains their signature candid, bantering style, oscillating between sports analysis and self-deprecating humor. They’re quick to needle each other, especially Ryan for his thumb-fingered dealmaking. Listener calls prompt honest and sometimes pointed commentary, especially around the state of Kentucky football.

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For New/Returning Listeners

• If you want insight on why Kentucky basketball and football fans are feeling both anticipation and frustration, this episode covers the big issues: recruiting trends, pro sports in Louisville, the (dis)integration of UK football, and the ever-shifting college coaching landscape under NIL.
• The discussion is full of inside jokes and jabs, but the hosts always circle back to the key questions Kentucky fans are asking right now.
• For laughs, don’t miss the saga of Ryan’s ad campaign and its canine compensation.

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Closing

The episode rounds out with more football predictions, fan calls, and a look ahead for Kentucky sports—against a background of change, challenge, and constant conversation.

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Transcript

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[Musician/Guest]

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. Hour number two, Kentucky Sports Radio 859-280-2287. Here at the KS Bar and Grill, we are now open for lunch. Come on out and see us. I'm going to be hosting trivia next. People have asked a week from Wednesday just for people to know that'll be the first one of the new year. Will be a week from Wednesday. It is people here now all ordering food and doing their thing. Drew Franklin. We've got some breaking news. Shannon 1 in Duke basketball has announced they are naming Jason Tatum chief basketball officer to help John Shire with recruiting and help him pick players every year to go to Duke. I'm sure that's a completely symbolic job, but I still would say that's a very smart thing to do and I think Kentucky probably needs to do one of those at some point. I think it's, it's a lot of schools are doing it. I don't think Mark Pope or John Shire for that matter needs a player to, to, to help them do it. But I do think having the symbolism having Jason Tatum would, would be good.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah. Kentucky, you know, like, who would you pick? Shay Goodness Alexander. Miss throwing his name out there. You know, somebody who's popular, like as popular as Jason Tatum right now. It makes a difference to these young kids.

[Matt Jones]

Who would you pick? I mean, your choices would be like.

[Shannon]

Got a lot of options.

[Matt Jones]

Anthony, Devin, Booker, Carl, Shea, Gilgis, Alexander. Those are probably the four that would make the most sense. You also want to get somebody that's like longevity. I know in the shoe world. Shea Gilgis Alexander released his first shoe and it was like very popular. Even though I think it's really ugly between me and you. But it got a lot of attention. I don't know. Who would you pick if you were going to do Kentucky's?

[Shannon]

It's tough. Could we have just like CO GMs?

[Matt Jones]

I think you got to have one. CO GMS don't work.

[Shannon]

I would lean Carl because I think he would actually be the most involved.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you think Carl's like, he's the least cool of the group for the, for the number one Pick and.

[Shannon]

An NBA All Star. Right now, I just. Nothing against the other guys. I don't see the others actually getting.

[Matt Jones]

I don't want them to do anything. We don't need them to do anything. We just need them to answer the phone. Yeah, Like, I mean, I think Carl.

[Shannon]

Would be like, let me call recruit. Like, I think Carl would actually take.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, okay.

[Shannon]

It's very common, though. Trey Young's the GM of Oklahoma. Now Steph Curry is the GM of Davidson. In football, we just hosted Eastern Michigan. Max Crosby's their gm. Lots of schools are just doing it for the name recognition and to help with recruiting.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, well, I would love to see. I'd love to see us do something. I think that's smart for Duke. I think it's smart to have a guy like that to put him in that role. Jason Tatum is one of the most popular players. So if you've got him. But we should do so. And we got so many. We should do one. What if, like, it's easy. What if Cal got one of them to do it for Arkansas?

[Shannon]

No, we couldn't have that. Oh, can't do that.

[Matt Jones]

That would be a no.

[Caller]

No.

[Matt Jones]

People think they got mad about Reed shepherd shirt.

[Shannon]

Yeah. The Ulis thing. That we can excuse a little bit because he's trying to start a coaching career. If you'd like an honorary, just helping Arkansas out as a side mission, then. No, that you can't. We can't have you doing that.

[Matt Jones]

I do have to go back. I still can't believe Reed shepherd did.

[Shannon]

People still bring it up.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I'm. I forgive the kid, by the way. He started in their first preseason game and looked good.

[Shannon]

Looks really good.

[Matt Jones]

He looked really good. He's gonna.

[Shannon]

He, He.

[Matt Jones]

He might end up starting in the season. He'll start.

[Shannon]

They've already named it because while you were gone. Pam Fleet Tours, acl, two weeks ago. They don't. They don't have another one.

[Matt Jones]

So. So he's starting.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, he's the guy.

[Matt Jones]

Well. And I. I love him, but I still can't believe he wore that Arkansas shirt.

[Ryan Lemond]

If he just would have flipped it, put a Kentucky shirt on.

[Matt Jones]

He didn't wear it at all. He didn't. It was. We were playing them. You know, these people are married again. Do you ever put a Tennessee shirt on? Thank you very much. That's what I'm saying. And they're married. Look at her face that says, oh, he's lying. Oh, well, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon]

That was her birthday.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but you can't wear a Tennessee shirt ever. Although you said she wears a Kentucky shirt sometimes.

[Shannon]

He's got a little Tennessee outfit he puts on on her birthday. You know, he's allowed one a year.

[Matt Jones]

All right, I'll let you. I'll let you buy. I could tell he didn't like that she. That she let that out walking home. We have one more piece of breaking news. The. It has been announced that the ufl, the United Football League, is moving a team to Kentucky. They will be in Louisville. They will be called the Louisville Kings. Do you like it? The Louisville Kings, a UFL team, will be in. In United Football League, which is what they're going to play in the spring.

[Shannon]

I like the Louisville as a team. I wish the name that had a little more fun with it. With all the Kentucky culture, you could go several different directions. So I don't love the name Kings, but I am glad there's a local team.

[Matt Jones]

Will you support the Louisville Kings?

[Ryan Lemond]

I will probably go like I'm a drew. I'm so glad the team is coming to Kentucky. Just having a team here, I think is pretty cool. Not crazy about the nickname, but I'll support the team.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Musician/Guest]

Off the King Louie, right? From Louisville.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, they're. Is that what it is? They're going up.

[Musician/Guest]

I mean, that would make. I mean, that would make sense.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, you're just guessing.

[Musician/Guest]

There's a King Louie and Louisville connection, right?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know.

[Musician/Guest]

One of the King Louis. There's like 50 of them.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Musician/Guest]

But whichever one.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I would have liked either alliteration. So, like the Louisville Leopards or make it like the Kentucky Kings. Yeah, that's the logo right there. It's green. Or make it like the Kentucky Kings or like the Louisville Bourbons. You know, just something. I'm with you. Kings is kind of a boring name.

[Shannon]

I have the explanation.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, what is the explanation?

[Shannon]

It celebrates the deep history and heritage of one of the oldest cities west of the Appalachian Mountains. Its name up. Chan's right Name builds off the royal connection to Francis King Louis Shannon.

[Matt Jones]

Getting it right. Did you read that or did you guess?

[Musician/Guest]

I didn't even know about it till you just mentioned it. I didn't even. That was breaking news to me. I didn't know that they were getting.

[Shannon]

A team and a sport and the derby known as the Sport of Kings. They combined them. Okay, that seems a little forced, but whatever. I'm good. They have a team, though. And the colors neutral. It's green. Like, if it was red, I probably would have had A hard time getting involved. Colors not gonna upset anybody. I'll be a fan.

[Matt Jones]

I'm excited about it. I think it's cool. Hopefully. Hopefully it works. 859280, 2287. Before I go, the phones, we got to talk about you and alarm.com. yeah. All right. We brought this up on the pregame show, but it needs to be repeated here. First of all, good news. Ryan Lemon gets a national endorsement for alarm.com. how about that? Right now, you can go on Instagram, you can go on the Tick Tock. You can go on Facebook, you can go on ads. There is Ryan Lemon's face as the new face of alarm.com. that's good. You see something like that, you go, wow, it's got to be big money, right?

[Shannon]

Things are moving in Ron's direction.

[Matt Jones]

Watch out. It's, you know what? Life is coming my way. And then you told us on the pregame show that you did the ad for a set of doggy toys, which is such a Ryan Lemon thing to do. Not. Not money, not even a gift certificate. Doggy toys. How did you come to that? As your. As the payment?

[Ryan Lemond]

You know, they approached me about doing this ad campaign, and I just said I would do it for free. I mean, they're why the system saved my house. It saved everything. So I was willing to kind of, because I'm an endorser for their local affiliate, Silent Guard, so I work with Silent Guard here in town.

[Matt Jones]

But did you ever think, like, you're going to be using my face? Yeah, this face has value.

[Ryan Lemond]

Well, I don't know about that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, no, they weren't using it. What do you think? Name, image, likeness means not my face.

[Shannon]

Well, then why do they use you? They seem to like it since it's everywhere.

[Matt Jones]

They could have used anybody's face. They chose your face.

[Ryan Lemond]

So I didn't even ask for the box of doggy toys. They sent that on their own account.

[Matt Jones]

So you didn't even negotiate? They sweeten the deal.

[Shannon]

They felt so bad.

[Matt Jones]

So you negotiated for nothing.

[Ryan Lemond]

Nothing. Yes.

[Matt Jones]

And then they threw in doggy toys.

[Ryan Lemond]

They threw in a box of doggy toys. Mario saw them at my house this weekend. There's like, 200 worth of doggy toys.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, well, if it's 200 worth of doggy toys.

[Musician/Guest]

Speaking of Ryan's face on this picture that you tweeted out.

[Ryan Lemond]

Matt.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I'm gonna get to the. Hang on. Don't do the caption yet, because I'm gonna bring that.

[Musician/Guest]

I don't know, but I wasn't gonna ask about the caption.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, go ahead.

[Musician/Guest]

I was just wondering, did they Photoshop his face or alter something?

[Matt Jones]

I think they altered your face. I don't think.

[Shannon]

I think I need to look at this.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think they altered.

[Musician/Guest]

They didn't.

[Ryan Lemond]

They just told me to look really serious.

[Musician/Guest]

They said, this is your eyes closer together.

[Matt Jones]

Your eyes are not that close together.

[Ryan Lemond]

Oh, I don't know. I. I don't look at my eyes.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon, I'm with you. Yeah, I don't think that's how you look.

[Musician/Guest]

Something's off a little bit. Did they, like, give him, like, a filter to slim his face down a little bit or.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but first of all, the caption. Serious security for serious people.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's a serious look right there.

[Matt Jones]

You are not serious. Like, you're the least serious person I know. Serious security for serious people.

[Ryan Lemond]

Oh, that's a serious look right there. I am dead serious about seriousness. And serious alarm systems.

[Shannon]

They're certainly getting their money's worth for that. That look.

[Matt Jones]

But I'm. Shannon, I'm with you. It's not as bad a Photoshop as that real estate picture Executive Train where.

[Musician/Guest]

They head on somebody else's body.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Where they literally. They literally took a really handsome Tatum and just put Ryan's head on it.

[Musician/Guest]

Headless salesman.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I don't think it's. Is that rock? I don't think it's as bad as that one, but I do think that might be Photoshop.

[Musician/Guest]

He's got more hair on his head, it looks like.

[Matt Jones]

I mean. Oh, did they give you more hair?

[Musician/Guest]

I think they gave him more hair.

[Shannon]

Oh, that does look like more hair.

[Matt Jones]

That is more hair. They gave you Peyton Manning's haircut, too.

[Shannon]

Did.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, the comb over.

[Shannon]

Well, you got a free glamour shot out of it if you want to frame that.

[Ryan Lemond]

I just felt like, you know, when they approached me doing it, I felt like this is owed them a great debt of gratitude, so why not?

[Shannon]

Did you know the reach? That they were going to use it?

[Matt Jones]

No. Okay, but see, I understand what you're saying about they owed you a debt of gratitude, but I just want to remind you, because I want. I'm trying to help you business wise. You initially use their product because you were an endorser.

[Ryan Lemond]

Correct.

[Matt Jones]

Of the product.

[Ryan Lemond]

Correct.

[Matt Jones]

And instead of, I don't know, did they give you money or do they give you trade?

[Ryan Lemond]

Trade.

[Matt Jones]

So you got the product for endorsing them, which is a good product, right?

[Ryan Lemond]

Oh, absolutely.

[Matt Jones]

And it did save your house.

[Ryan Lemond]

Save My house.

[Matt Jones]

But. But you already had done the ads for the product, correct? Now, this was a New deal with alarm.com.

[Shannon]

Not even silent.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, this is silent guard. This is alarm.com. this is national. So did you think, like, okay, we're square for this. Here's a new thing where you're going to give me a comb over and you're gonna make me serious. Maybe we have a different view for this one. Did you think about that?

[Ryan Lemond]

You're leaving out the box of doggy toys. I got a box of doggy toys.

[Shannon]

That was thrown in after the fact, though.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. That wasn't even part of the consideration for the deal.

[Shannon]

Even Mitch Barnhart thinks you're a good negotiator.

[Ryan Lemond]

I. I had no idea it was.

[Shannon]

Gonna be a fan negotiator. Excuse me.

[Ryan Lemond]

I didn't know it was gonna be all over the place like it has been. I just thought it was gonna be, you know.

[Matt Jones]

You just thought they were gonna use it, like on brochures?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, well, what's out there now, that's one of the things, though, that when you do this, you. You ask, where are you going to use? Because the more they're going to use it, the more that should be in pocket.

[Ryan Lemond]

I probably did not use proper negotiating tactics. And I said, yeah, I'll do whatever you want.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, like you started with, yeah, do.

[Ryan Lemond]

Whatever you want to. You know, do an ad campaign with your story. Like, yeah, whatever. I'll do whatever you want to do. It's fine. They flew a clue a crew in from Boston.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, how much you think that cost?

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm sure it wasn't cheap, so maybe.

[Matt Jones]

They could have given you a few thousand.

[Shannon]

They probably paid the crew.

[Ryan Lemond]

Paid the crew?

[Matt Jones]

The crew didn't do it for doggy toys.

[Ryan Lemond]

Probably not. Airline flight, hotel room.

[Musician/Guest]

Talent fee has gone from $33 to $0. They'll do anything for free.

[Matt Jones]

Unbelievable. I love you, but I feel like if I'm on a national ad campaign with my face and Peyton Manning's comb over, then I should. You should be able to get some money.

[Ryan Lemond]

That is a handsome looking face right there. That's serious handsome face.

[Matt Jones]

Who's up next?

[Musician/Guest]

Let's go to Robbie.

[Matt Jones]

Robbie. Go ahead. Robbie.

[Caller]

Hey, good morning, guys. Hope everything's good. Just call, talk a little bit about football. But, I mean, everybody's checked out on football. I mean, I watched a little bit of the Georgia game, but I knew When Georgia got 21 points, the game was over. We weren't going to score that much yes. That way, for the last several years, it's. I mean, it's time for Stoops to go. I mean, I know we owe him a lot of money, but we got to do something else. I mean, everybody's checked out. Everybody's ready for basketball. We need somebody on the football side like we have on the basketball side that's dedicated. True blue. Kentucky is going to put everything they got into it to make this program. It's not never going to be the top of the sec, but at least you'd be competitive and not be the last in stock of the sec.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, we can't be definitively the worst team in the sec. Appreciate the call, which is what we are now. We're definitively the worst team. And you could make an argument that even that with the exception of like the last year or two of Joker, we were not normally the definitively the worst team, but we're definitively the worst team right now in the conference. And, you know, maybe that changes. I kind of doubt it. I think we're definitively the worst team. That's got to change. That's the one thing that can't happen. I do think for the first time. I will say this. For the first time since these conversations have started taking place, I do believe that if Mitch Barnhart decides to make a change, the money will be there. I. I've always thought that that would not be the case. I think if they. I think money is a factor on what they do, for sure. But the idea, which is what I've had for a long time, that they just could not raise that money. I think they could if they. If. If they felt like it was the way to go. I don't think my money is a factor. Don't get me wrong. It's not that money's not going to matter. It's like in baseball, they say Ty goes to the runner, tie goes. Is going to go to saving $37 million. But if they have to do it, Ryan, I do think they'll have the money.

[Ryan Lemond]

Does the buyout money go down after the season? Like, is it worth.

[Shannon]

It's like 70% of whatever's remaining. So over time.

[Ryan Lemond]

But.

[Matt Jones]

But after this time, it's due in two months.

[Shannon]

No, but I mean, if you fired him a year from now, it would be down a little bit. It's just 70% of what he's owed.

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[Shannon]

Lenovo.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back to any sports radio here at KS Bar and Grill. Thank you folks very much for coming out and joining us. We'll be be here for the rest of the afternoon then you got all day. Tomorrow's Wings day. So glad to be back going here. Let's I want to talk just a second on this fan fest coming up Saturday. Here's the schedule. It's at the it's at the exhibit center so it's at the thing that's attached to Rupp Arena. Opens at noon from 12:30 to 1. Mark Pope will be on the main stage talking. Then Kenny Brooks comes after that. Then the women's basketball team and then they will sign autographs and then the men's basketball team and they will sign autographs. So that's how the the day goes. I think this is going to be I think this really is an awesome event and I think it's exactly what UK basketball and UK athletics should do more of. I hope people go because I think if they do you will see more and more of this stuff. You know, if you're like me and you've kind of said we need to do more stuff. For the common fan, this is it. It'd be nice if they got a little more notice. I mean they announced it on Monday for Saturday, but nevertheless it's happening and people I hope embrace.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, you know, people missed, you know, the madness camp out. That was kind of a fan player event. This is a good substitution. I love this idea. Trying to get the fans back engaged with the players on the team.

[Shannon]

That's the big thing at the camp out. You actually got to connect with the players a little bit. You know, every year they'd make the rounds of pizza, they'd show up, play cornhole with you at your tent if you were there. And that's been lost the last couple years. So this doesn't replace that, but at least gives you a chance to actually meet the guys instead of just watching them dance for a moment and play their practice.

[Matt Jones]

Last night the Jaguars beat the Chiefs. Liam Cohen is 4 and 1. Liam Cohen, like that is amazing. If you. Is it a. Is it a check in Mark Stoops box that he hired Liam Cohen or is it an X in his box that he hired him? And we still the second. We still the second time didn't have a good offense. Which is it?

[Shannon]

I'll give him a check. We're very critical of his offense and hiring a lot of coordinators. So I've at least got to applaud him for finding Liam. You know, I didn't love the way Liam left after he said he's here to plant roots or whatever it was.

[Matt Jones]

But you can't blame him.

[Shannon]

Yeah. And the time, what was it? February. But it's the NFL calling and look where he is now. So I give Stoops a check for having him even though it was short lived.

[Matt Jones]

I mean you really can't blame. He's done. Exactly. I mean, this is why he left was to get a head coaching job. He's gotten it and so I don't know how you could complain at all.

[Ryan Lemond]

I give him two checks, hired the guy twice. You know, he came in the first year with Will Levis, kind of revitalized the program a little bit. Good shot in the army. I think he really did good thing with Devin Leary. Just was hurt. You know, he just kind of struggled through most of that season. But I give Stoops two check marks for ironing.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Are you. Are you pulling for him like he said? He was here two different times. Are you pulling for Liam? I'm obviously Josh Hines Allen is on the team as well, but pulling for.

[Shannon]

Him, it's a little different for me. I'm Titan, so I need them to lose every possible game. I've always wanted the Jaguars to lose, but I'm not like, anti Liam Cohen. Like, I was happy for him last night. Remember I told y' all Moneyline Jaguars last night, do it. You might do it.

[Matt Jones]

I did not. I thought the team, but no, I.

[Shannon]

Was generally excited for him as a division rival. I'm not going to openly cheer for him, but I was happy to see him get a big.

[Matt Jones]

What do you think of that final play where Trevor Lawrence falls down and then falls down twice and then gets up and scores a touchdown? That's got to be one of the craziest endings to a game of all time.

[Shannon]

Yeah, goofy little blooper there with 25 seconds left to kind of look dead there when he's on the ground. Hops right up. I saw the Manning cast replay of it, too. They were going crazy also thinking he didn't have a chance.

[Matt Jones]

The. The Manning cast was great last night, by the way. Have you. Shannon, have you watched the show where it's like the Eli Manning Powers? Has anybody watched that?

[Musician/Guest]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Steve Zahn plays the coach.

[Shannon]

I've heard it's really good.

[Musician/Guest]

What's it called?

[Ryan Lemond]

It's called Powers.

[Matt Jones]

You remember they had the Eli commercials where he put on the fake nose and he acted like he was a quarterback for Penn State.

[Musician/Guest]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

This is a show of that. And it's got.

[Musician/Guest]

That did an entire show off of that.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. It's not Eli Manning. It stars that dude, that Sydney Sweeney.

[Shannon]

Glenn Powell looks a lot like me.

[Matt Jones]

Glenn Powell, does he look like you.

[Shannon]

When our shirts are off? People have asked me before, whoa, is that Glenn Powell? No, that's true.

[Matt Jones]

You know, I haven't. I've never. I have never heard that. But. But yeah, so it's.

[Ryan Lemond]

I want to watch it.

[Matt Jones]

But Steve Zahn plays the. Plays the coach in it.

[Shannon]

I was wondering if it would be good. And I've had three or four friends who have watched it and loved it, and it's getting a lot of Ted Lasso comparisons. It's kind of a good show, so I'm looking forward to starting it. I just haven't done it yet.

[Matt Jones]

Well, Josh Allen, by the way, our Josh Allen is an absolute machine. I mean, he really is. Like. He, like, if you watch him, the teams have to, like, run away from him when he gets in open space. Forget it. I mean, they ran a play where they didn't block him and Peyton Manning was like, are these people insane? How do you not block him? He's one of the five best defensive ends in the, in the league.

[Shannon]

He bounced off a block and made a big tackle in the backfield too late in the game that not many people could pull off. You know, he's. He's special. We saw a lot of that here, and it hadn't changed in the NFL.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Who's next?

[Musician/Guest]

Adam.

[Matt Jones]

Adam. Go ahead, Adam.

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, Matt? Got a half legal question, half UK sports question. So let's say, you know, Mark Stoops doesn't want to try to take a negotiated buyout.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Caller]

What is to prevent Mitch Barnhart to say, okay, well, we're going to give this much to women's basketball, this much to baseball, all the rest to men's basketball and your nil.

[Matt Jones]

You know, nothing would stop him from doing that, except that would be a really horrible decision. I mean, like, he could. There's nothing that requires schools to give football. I mean, you could give football nothing in nil if you wanted to, but I think that would be a dumb decision. You'd be basically announcing to the world that you don't care about your program. No, I mean, you know, maybe don't.

[Caller]

Follow through, but you can make the threat of, like, you know, Mark, if you don't want to try to take the spy out, we can, we can negotiate.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I just think I appreciate the call. Legally, is there anything that would stop them from doing it? No. I mean, UK doesn't have to give football anything, but as a practical matter, that would be cutting off your nose, I think, to spot your face if you were to do that. We'll take a break and be right back. Ksr.

[Ryan Lemond]

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[Musician/Guest]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

You know, Shannon, I. I fought this song for a long time. Like, I just. This song just feel. Felt like the song, a kind of song I wouldn't like. And then all of a sudden, I think I watched a game and everybody sang it. And now I kind of really like.

[Shannon]

Mr.

[Musician/Guest]

Bright side.

[Matt Jones]

Is this. Yeah, I just always fought it.

[Ryan Lemond]

It was like one of those things.

[Matt Jones]

That everybod hit bars and stuff, and I'm always like, you know, I don't know, because it would always. Yeah, everybody pointed each other and all that stuff. But now I've. I've given in. This is a great song.

[Musician/Guest]

We put it on our set list just because People love it so much.

[Matt Jones]

You did a good job with it. I heard you the last time I heard you perform, this is the last was you did Mr. Bright side. And I thought, oh, Shannon does this very well.

[Musician/Guest]

I didn't know you were so anti killers.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not, I'm. I'm pro it now, but I was anti for a long time and then I was like, this is just a great song and it's gonna last forever. You know what I mean? Like it's going to be one of those songs that people are going to be singing for song for 30 years. This will be one that they say.

[Shannon]

I saw a clip just yesterday. I think it was at the Michigan football game. But there's an elderly man. I mean he's got. Got to be at least 80, but he has a printed out piece of paper with the lyrics to this on it. He's holding it at the game so he can participate. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Is it. But it's about drugs, right?

[Shannon]

I've never taken the time to really think about it.

[Musician/Guest]

I think it's about an affair, but I could be wrong.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, what are the lyrics like?

[Ryan Lemond]

It's.

[Shannon]

Well, we gotta ask the old man that printed them out. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Hello there, sonny. What are the lyrics to Mr. Brightside? I'm telling you, I think it's, it's, it's.

[Shannon]

It starts coming out of my cage. I know that much. Yeah.

[Musician/Guest]

Coming out of just fine. Started out with a kiss how to end up like this? It was only a kiss. Now I'm falling asleep she's calling a cab While he's having a smoke and she's taking a drag now they're going to bed and my stomach is sick and it's all in my head. But she's touching his chest. Now he takes off her dress. Now let me.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, so it's about an affair. Okay, all right, that makes sense. Oh, I'm thinking of Dr. Feelgood. No, I am.

[Musician/Guest]

Dr. Feelgood might be probably about drugs.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. Mr. Brightside is about a fair Dr. Feelgood who went to, you know, he went. Got more education. That's about. That's about.

[Shannon]

That's right.

[Matt Jones]

859-280-2287. Let's quick a couple things in the rest of college football we didn't get to yesterday. James Franklin's the worst, right? Yes, he's the worst. Like who's worse, him or dabo?

[Shannon]

Oh, James Franklin.

[Ryan Lemond]

Close race.

[Shannon]

James Franklin easily.

[Matt Jones]

It's funny, people just hate James Franklin so much. Even going back to Vanderbilt when Shannon when he was Shannon's coach.

[Musician/Guest]

I think Dabo is the worst.

[Matt Jones]

I think. I'm with you. I put Dabo the worst. But there are people who really don't. How does he lose that game? UCLA was awful. You say lost by like 22 UNLV and 30 to New Mexico. And then he goes and loses. And not just loses. They were down huge most of the game.

[Shannon]

And just the fact that it was.

[Matt Jones]

Nobody was there.

[Shannon]

That.

[Ryan Lemond]

And that's what factor more than anything.

[Shannon]

Little sunshine over there calling plays. He couldn't even figure out how to get the headset to work because he was in way over his head. And he hangs 40 whatever on you.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean that they look like a child was calling plays for ucla like that it'd be one thing if he lost because the environment was insane and like, you couldn't hear yourself talk. And it was. He lost in an empty Rose Bowl. It was empty and they still lost.

[Ryan Lemond]

You know, Kentucky fans don't like the guy because what happened between him and Mark Stupson when he was a coach of Vanderbilt, I think that carries over for. A lot of us are feeling to him today.

[Matt Jones]

But. But he's hated National. It's not just Kentucky. Like, everyone seems to take joy in him failing.

[Shannon]

Well, remember was it last season or two years ago they had a very serious issue at Penn State and he stood there and made like the Sid take questions at the podium. Like, he wouldn't even make a statement. A player had done something kind of bad, but he had like a smirk on his face like, I'm not even going to address this. And he made some staff members stand up there and give a statement.

[Matt Jones]

What about Arch Manning? Do we. Obviously we're going to see him here in two weeks.

[Ryan Lemond]

Are we catching Texas at the right time?

[Shannon]

I said this a few weeks ago that Texas might be one of the more beatable teams left on the schedule. I didn't really believe it. But now that they've lost a football, Florida, I think they are.

[Matt Jones]

They. I was listening to a podcast where somebody was saying, like, they think the pressure like this. And this wasn't somebody just spouting off. They said that they had talked to people at Texas that the pressure of all this is just too much for him. The pressure of being a Manning, being at Texas, the. All the national attention. Then he starts and he struggles that first time and it kind of gets in his head. And then a lot of people around Texas are kind of worried that, like, it's just too much pressure. I mean, that's what's tough about there. There are positives about being a Manning, but then there might be a negative when things don't go well for whatever.

[Ryan Lemond]

The reason is it definitely there's something's not working right. And if he's having some mental issues, you know, I feel sorry for the same mental issues.

[Matt Jones]

They just said pressure like it was just. But it also like there are other people who said he was never good to begin with. It's just people just said well he's Arch Manning so he must be great.

[Shannon]

That he hasn't panned out and looks like he's not ready. But their offensive line to be Texas has been terrible. They're getting a lot of criticism. And then I think it was Spurrier. Someone this week made the great point like if Arch is this big Heisman, why wasn't he playing last year?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I said that to be of the year. What about Belichick?

[Shannon]

I'm loving every second of whooped again.

[Matt Jones]

I mean destroyed, getting crushed. There was a story that came out in the local newspaper in North Carolina yesterday that said the team like hate like all of the assistant coaches are either his relatives or the GM's relatives and that like the players really like Belichick but that they think everyone else on the staff is a joke and so they don't listen to him. That Mike Lombardi who's the GM apparently is just hated by everybody. I guess during nil when, when the transfer portal opened as part of their NIL negotiations this was a really stupid thing to do. They agreed to take like their 10 top transfers and to get them to come. They said their their parents would have field access to the games, they would get their own parking spots and then they didn't give the other players that. So you had a situation where Belichick's guys get different treatment than the other guys and Ryan, it's just led to a disaster.

[Ryan Lemond]

I didn't know that part of the story. So yeah, you you're losing games on the field sound like you're losing the locker room too. So things are not going to get better anytime soon if you're divide down the locker room.

[Matt Jones]

He has three family members on staff, two sons and a son in law.

[Shannon]

There's a lot of them bar girlfriend.

[Matt Jones]

And a girlfriend staff too.

[Shannon]

So there's a few failed NFL people in there.

[Matt Jones]

So back to the big question. Is Jordan Hudson dating Bill Belichick one year from now considering they're losing?

[Shannon]

I'm going to say yes.

[Matt Jones]

You think it's Love.

[Shannon]

No, I don't. But I mean, she's just.

[Matt Jones]

Gold digger.

[Shannon]

Yes. She can do whatever she wants right now. Why wouldn't she? She'll launch a new perfume. They'll have. They'll have everything. I mean, she's trying to trademark Gold Digger. This is. This is a long term business plan.

[Matt Jones]

But, I mean, is it still, like, she's not gonna get a lot of attention if they stink? Like, if he's gone at the end.

[Shannon]

Of the year, that bank account still got money in it?

[Matt Jones]

Maybe date Pete Carroll? Yeah, that's a good question. Who would be the coach she could.

[Shannon]

Go to when Andy Reid retires? He's got the Super Bowls.

[Matt Jones]

Wow.

[Shannon]

Got the trophy cabinet.

[Matt Jones]

I think she's good. She moves. Listen, I would respect her if she moves from Belichick to Andy Reid.

[Shannon]

Just so obvious. As soon as Andy retires. I met him on a plane and he signed my book.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Nick Saban comes back. Well, no, everybody likes his wife. I don't know. I don't know.

[Shannon]

We can't be doing that to Ms. Terry.

[Matt Jones]

What about Belichick?

[Shannon]

Not letting him acknowledge Drake May on social media?

[Matt Jones]

That's also crazy. You know, you have. Who's the only North Carolina football player who's an important North Carolina football player in history?

[Shannon]

Peppers.

[Ryan Lemond]

Julius Peppers.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Did LT go there?

[Shannon]

Where did LT go? That's a little before me.

[Matt Jones]

I think. LT went to North Carolina. But point being, Drake May could end up being one of your best. And the fact that you won't acknowledge him because he plays for the Patriots, Ryan, that's really petty. Very petty.

[Ryan Lemond]

You're trying to promote your program. This kid came out of your program. I don't care who he plays for. Now he's a starter in the NFL. He's starting quarterback.

[Shannon]

Lt was unc.

[Matt Jones]

Was he?

[Shannon]

And so we have three.

[Matt Jones]

So we have three. All right, who's next?

[Musician/Guest]

David.

[Matt Jones]

David. Go ahead, David.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt. Where do you see or do you see these coaches contracts changing going forward? And what I get at is performance based. I mean, Mark Stokes, I like Stokes. He's brought us up here. I think he's banging his head against the ceiling at this point. But the hypocrisy of him saying, I'm not leaving, what does he not go to his. If he gets a running back that ain't panning out or quarterback he wants to get, he'll encourage him getting transfer portal spot, but he won't move around.

[Matt Jones]

Well, coaches have always been hypocritical. I mean, coaches believe they get to do one thing and players don't. We've talked about that. Coaches think they should be able to break contracts and go to other schools but if players transfer that means they're weak and blah, blah, blah. Coaches have always been hypocritical. I do think that the, the change to the new nil is going to make it to where coaches contracts are not going to be as much money. They're just not. I don't know that they'll. Yeah, go ahead.

[Caller]

I want to hit you with the business sense of it. Yeah, I just wonder if that's ever going to change that trending because they hold all the power now and just like they hold schools hostage.

[Matt Jones]

The years of, and I appreciate the call the years of coaches getting eight year deals for $12 million a year. I think that's going away. I mean I, I think, you know, Nick Saban of the world might be able to get that. But the year, the days of giving Jimbo Fisher that, James Franklin that Mark Stoops that, I just don't think people are going to do it anymore. Ryan. I think they're going to go, look, we got to put our money in the players. Plus there's, there's a new generation of young guys that you don't have to pay as well. That might be just as good. So I, I think that's what you're.

[Ryan Lemond]

Going to see and that's what we're going to see. Programs like, well, Kentucky, you know you can save a lot of money if you go out and hire a John Sumrall for next season. You know you're going to save a lot of money.

[Matt Jones]

Well, forget about like just take somebody like Will Stein for a second. I mean would you rather have. Let's just leave Mark Stoops out of it because I don't want it to be just about him. Take Eli Drinkowitz. If you're Missouri and Eli Drinkowitz comes and says I want $10 million a year but you could go get Will Stein for three and a half million, are you going to lock yourself into an eight year deal with Eli Drinkowitz? Are you going to say maybe I'll try one of these young up and comers.

[Shannon]

It would be hard to do but the smart thing would be an up and comer because as we've seen with both coaches here at Kentucky and basketball football lately, there's just a shelf life on coaching no matter how good you have it.

[Matt Jones]

I also think we're going to look back and say that the Nil portal era was a chain. It's like two completely different sports. When it happened, I said the biggest change in the history of college sports was integration. Like for me college sports is before integration and after integration. Well, I think the second biggest is going to be before nil and after nil. And I think there were coaches, if you go back and read history who simply could not coach after integration. They did not know how to do it. I think you're going to end up with a set of coaches who when they come to nil, they just didn't know how to do it. And so you're going to see this whole. We're already seeing it. Massive group of coaches move out and then this new group that embrace it and understand what it is and do it, move in. And that's going to be the future of the sport.

[Shannon]

And just the sports changing with your roster makeup. Like the days where Alabama would have a third string linebacker being NFL draft pick. You just can't stockpile them like you used to. So you're your, your first team's got to be great because anybody you have that sitting the bench, if they're good enough, they'll find a place to go play. I think you just don't have depth like you used to.

[Matt Jones]

What's impressive to me are the coaches who were good before this and after this. That to me is really Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin was good before. He's found a way to transition to be good after. I think it's gonna be. But think about it. How many of those guys are out there? How many dudes that were really good in 2015 or 2017 are still good in 2025? Just look at it. Look at all the failures we're seeing or the disappointments. They all have one thing in common. They're older guys who are really good before the portal. How many people are you seeing that are going to be that are really good before and after? Can you give me one? Just think about football and basketball. Who's really good before and after?

[Ryan Lemond]

That's a great question.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just sitting here trying to think Bill Self, although he hasn't killed it in the last two or three years.

[Shannon]

Well, I was going to add, you know, not using names, but any coach that was already paying before nil and there are a lot of them, they're now struggling that it's just out in the open because that was their advantage.

[Matt Jones]

I think you are exactly right.

[Shannon]

Their advantage was paying. Even though what we don't like to admit that happened was pretty widespread.

[Matt Jones]

Just think about if I were to have said to you seven years ago, who are the best coaches in college basketball? Basketball. Jay Wright. Gone. Roy Williams. Gone. Mike Krzyzewski. Gone. Tony Bennett? Gone. Bruce Pearl. Gone. Right. Tom Izzo. Going. Probably in the near future. Cal.

[Shannon]

Probably going.

[Matt Jones]

Cal. You know who might be one that's in that group? Rick Patino.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Rick Patino might be one who actually found a way Ryan to do it both ways.

[Ryan Lemond]

I think Rick Pitino may be our best answer because he was successful before Nil and now he's found a way to be successful after Nil. I think football. Kirby Smart. Would you put him in that category?

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Kirby Smart, I think is in the Kirby Smart is one for sure. But even the guys like Ryan Day and the guy at Oregon Lanning, Kalyn DeBoer, they're all kind of coming to their strength after nil. They're not guys that were doing it before. So just an interesting thing. I don't know if that'll continue like that, but it seems to.

[Ryan Lemond]

Good question.

[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

This is Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. JBL Tour Pro 3 earbuds are for those who don't conform to the standard. Yeah, I mean if you want to get into some touchscreen technology, how about the smart charging case clear sound? These are not standard things. You're only going to get them with the JBL Tour Pro 3 baby. And I love the sound of JBL and goes. These earbuds are packed with innovation because you can't stand out by following others. Touchscreen Smart charging case for one touch control, instant EQ customization, true adaptive noise canceling and the one of a kind audio transmitter which can plug and play with everything from game consoles to in flight entertainment. The audio transmitter also allows for JBL Spatial360 sound that takes any audio and turns it into a 360 immersive experience. What more could you want? First doesn't follow. Grab a pair at jbl.com welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio 859-280-2287 Text Machine 772774, 5254 Come out KS Bar open all day and this evening and then tomorrow is Wednesday. We will be here if you want to come see us. I know a lot of people on fall break right right now is this fall break.

[Ryan Lemond]

Last week was a lot of fall breaks but I think like our folks from Elizabethtown they're on fall break this.

[Matt Jones]

Week so you guys are welcome to be here. It's time for DraftKings. Let's do a pick. I guess we got baseball tonight. DraftKings. Go to DraftKings.com, go to your DK app, put in the promo code. KSR. Make your pick. Let's see, the Yankees are down two. Oh, to the Blue Jays. Do they get one tonight or do they get swept and the Yankees be out?

[Shannon]

Yankees win tonight. They're home. Not getting swept.

[Matt Jones]

I think my guy's pitching. The dude I can't pronounce.

[Ryan Lemond]

Oh, yeah, give it a try.

[Matt Jones]

Hang on.

[Ryan Lemond]

Schlitler.

[Matt Jones]

Schlitler. No, it's Carlos Rodone. So that's. I know him, but Schlitler is pitching.

[Ryan Lemond]

But a potential elimination game in Yankee Stadium. Yankees get this one tonight.

[Matt Jones]

Yep.

[Shannon]

Going the Yankees.

[Matt Jones]

I'm gonna go with the Yankees tonight, hopefully then get a game four and then we'll. We'll. We'll see. Weird group of teams in the AL with the Tigers, the Mariners and the Blue Jays. One of them is going to end up in the World Series.

[Shannon]

I'm gonna. I've been riding some underdogs lately. As you've heard on the show. I think I'm gonna take Tiger's money line in the first game today. They're. They're a dog.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but they're home, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah, they're home.

[Matt Jones]

All right, home dog. Who's up next?

[Musician/Guest]

Let's go to Ed.

[Matt Jones]

Ed, go ahead, Ed.

[Caller]

Hey, got three questions for you, man.

[Matt Jones]

Well, give me.

[Caller]

All this that time. What game do you think we have the best chance for upset?

[Matt Jones]

I think the best chance for an upset for the rest of the season is still Florida. I know they beat Texas, but I think you're getting them in November. They're coming where it's cold. They don't do that a lot. Hopefully we haven't quit yet now. I mean, Texas is more of a chance than we would have ever thought. You know, if they play Oklahoma this week and lose, their season's basically over. So maybe the whole thing collapses for them the next week. But if I were to. If you were to say, well, let me actually. Let me switch that. Best chance to win on the road at Vandy. Still, even though I think Vandy's good, I think that's your best chance because you still have more talent than them even if you don't win. And then I would say home, Florida. What about you?

[Shannon]

I don't think we stand a chance at Vandy. I think they're more talented almost everywhere, unfortunately.

[Matt Jones]

Really? You don't have a chance? No.

[Shannon]

I think if a team gets to 20 points, we've lost. And Vandy is going to get 20 points.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. Okay.

[Shannon]

I will say Texas, which seems crazy only because it's right in front of us. I know it stoops after a bye week.

[Matt Jones]

After a bye week is not a stream.

[Shannon]

Florida would be my pick, but it's so late in the year. I worry we're gonna have guys buying hot dogs again if they don't start winning before that game gets here. So a matchup. I go Florida, but Texas being more recent, still inspired at the moment, I'll.

[Matt Jones]

Say that, I will say this. If we lose to Texas and Tennessee back to back, which is very likely the next game, I believe is what at Auburn. That's the game where if it goes poorly, we quit. That's what worries me. Yeah, I think if you lose to Texas and Tennessee and then you go to Auburn and get blown out, I think this whole thing just completely falls apart.

[Ryan Lemond]

You lost the locker room last year with that happens again, he loses the locker room again. You had to make a change.

[Matt Jones]

Now with that said, if you win one of those games, then you go, oh, we still play Vandy and Louisville. Maybe we can make a bowl. I mean that's.

[Ryan Lemond]

Louisville's a winnable game.

[Matt Jones]

Florida, I mean this schedule is awful, but it was, it's not as awful now as it looked at the beginning of the year. I mean it looked worse at the beginning of the year than it is right now.

[Shannon]

Drew, you know I completely agree but I, I think the team, our own team is much worse than I expected.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Shannon]

So just, I'm just down. Like obviously they look bad but here in the coaches comments they seem to not have any answers themselves.

[Matt Jones]

No. Hey, thank you all very much. It was good to see you. By the way, thanks for everybody for being back. We our episode of COVID Zero is out. Also there's an article about the growth of KSR and about us for our 20th anniversary. I'll link it later today. You can read. It's really good profile. Just came out a few minutes ago. We will see you later. This has been Kentucky Sports Radio.

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