2025-10-14- KSR - Hour 1

Summary

KSR Podcast – Hour 1 Summary

Episode Date: October 14, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones, Ryan Lemond, Drew Franklin, Shannon

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Overview

This episode of Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) delivers Kentucky sports talk with Matt Jones and the crew sharing UK basketball and football updates, behind-the-scenes stories from recent events, NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) developments, speculation surrounding Coach Mark Stoops’ future, and Kentucky campus happenings. The hour mixes analysis, storytelling, and light banter while reflecting the style and humor that fans expect from the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pregame/Postgame Show Schedules & “Too Much Matt”

• Debate on Basketball Pregame Times: The hosts humorously debate when basketball pregame actually starts (02:00–02:35), poking fun at their collective aging memories.
• Matt's Broadcasting Marathon: Matt lists his upcoming radio commitments (including KSR, pre-/postgame shows, ESPN), joking it’s “a lot of Matt” for any listener, even by his standards.
  • “If you listen to me that whole time, then your wife has to hate you or your husband has to hate you. That’s too much me… even for me.” – Matt Jones (02:39)
• Delegating Shows: Matt suggests letting Billy handle future postgame shows, particularly for games likely to draw fan anger, noting the energetic fit (03:52–04:06).

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2. Wendell Ford Lecture: VIP Treatment, Campus Security, and NIL Event

• Event Recap: Matt thanks listeners for attending the Wendell Ford Lecture about NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) and shares anecdotes about his VIP parking and dressing room.
• Unexpected Police Escort:
  • Matt recounts being nervously surprised when told a police officer would escort him to his car post-lecture due to potential political tension. Though grateful, he says the gesture made him more paranoid.
  • “Somebody gives you something to make you feel more comfortable. And I was completely comfortable. Then it almost switched it off.” – Matt Jones (07:18)
• Context: Increased security stems from heightened campus precaution after recent high-profile political events. (06:56–08:12)

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3. NIL Revenue Sharing: Only 6 UK Sports Receive Payments

• Revelation from Mark Story: Only six UK sports get NIL revenue sharing: men’s basketball, football, women’s basketball, baseball, volleyball, and softball. This was fewer than hosts and listeners assumed. (09:56–10:10)
  • “The answer is six. They're giving it to men's basketball, men's football, women's basketball, baseball, volleyball and softball. And that’s it.” – Matt Jones (09:56)
• Louisville Comparison: Louisville gives NIL revenue to five sports, omitting softball. Kentucky is actually above average nationally for number of sports included (10:28–11:27).
• Why Only Six? Matt discusses the strategic allocation of NIL money, suggesting resources must be prioritized to stay competitive in revenue-generating sports (11:27–12:26).
  • “This is a socialist sport that has had to enter into capitalism… College sports has been socialism for 80 years… now having to become capitalist.” – Matt Jones (11:49)
• May Drop Further: Discussion of the possibility that the number could shrink to 3-4 sports as NIL economics evolve.
• Smaller Schools' Dilemma: Bellarmine (and likely others) opt out of NIL revenue sharing to retain larger athletic scholarships and support male enrollment (13:55–14:16).

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4. Campus & Community Announcements

• Rupp Arena Postgame Party (16:02–17:13): After UK’s exhibition game vs. Purdue (6 PM), there’ll be a free postgame party downtown featuring country singer Cam Thompson. (Hosts try to guess his musical style, speculate he’s “bro country,” then find out he’s from Owensboro.)

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5. Mark Stoops & the Virginia Tech Rumors

• Stoops Linked to VT: Virginia Tech’s main sports site names Mark Stoops as a “hot name” for their head coaching job (17:20).
  • “Kentucky fans heard that news after it was put out by KSR and reacted with, I think excitement is fair to say. There’s a little bit of jubilee.” – Matt Jones (17:20)
• Speculation on Source: Drew thinks Stoops’ agent may be quietly floating his name to other jobs, possibly as a backup plan (18:20–18:50).
  • “I took it as that might actually be happening behind the scenes on the Stoops in.” – Drew Franklin (18:53)
• Is the UK Job Better than VT?: The hosts debate which job is better—Kentucky in the SEC or Virginia Tech in the ACC (19:19–21:56).
  • “What makes you think Virginia Tech’s a better job than Kentucky?” – Matt Jones (19:19)
  • “We’re in the SEC. That’s a lot better than the ACC.” – Matt Jones (20:16)
  • Consensus: UK is a mid-tier SEC job; Virginia Tech has a better historical football brand but less revenue.
• Coaching Carousel: General consensus—many top jobs opening, so “hot candidate” types will be more in demand than Stoops (26:00–26:28).

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6. Fan Q&A & Listener Calls

• Stadium Accessibility for Older Fans: Listener wonders if Rupp Arena can be made more accessible (23:06–23:39). Matt notes it’s a real problem for seniors, but expensive and unlikely to change soon.
• Can UK Use “Cause” to Fire Stoops? A text question clarifies that UK cannot invoke contract violations to fire Stoops for job-hunting, as past precedent (Texas A&M incident) waived that clause (39:11–39:18).
• Why Would VT Want Stoops?: A caller contends Stoops isn’t a real VT candidate given Shane Beamer’s ties, but Matt notes Beamer may be avoiding his dad’s legacy (39:35–40:27).
• Paying Coaches Minimal Salaries: A creative question raised—could schools pay fired coaches the minimum and let their former school’s buyout pay the balance? Matt says legally possible depending on contract wording, and it’s been done before. (40:27–41:08)
• Will Young Coaches Want UK if Stoops is Fired? Matt insists that, despite historical struggles, young, ambitious coaches (like Will Stein) would take Kentucky’s job opportunity.
  • “If Will Stein was offered this job, he would take it. I know for a fact.” – Matt Jones (41:43)
• Stoops’ Shelf Life: Matt believes Stoops “stayed too long” at UK, explaining most coaches have “about 10 years” before a program needs rebooting and innovation—something Stoops hasn’t done (42:30–44:09).

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7. Football: Upcoming UK-Texas Game

• Weather as Factor: Listeners ask if forecasted rain (a “bluegrasser,” in jest) would help UK; Ryan thinks wet conditions would favor Kentucky’s running game against Texas’ strong defense. (36:28–36:57)
• Lexington’s Big Weekends: The next two weekends feature major events: Parents’ Weekend, Keeneland, UK-Texas, then the Purdue basketball game, more Keeneland, and Tennessee football. The hosts highlight the city’s lively atmosphere and lack of hotel rooms. (37:16–38:06)

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8. Offbeat: NFL Kicker Anecdotes & “Nor'easters”

• Bears Win in the Rain: Matt discusses the previous night’s NFL game during a “nor’easter,” questioning what distinguishes it from other storms. General banter turns to the odd lives of NFL kickers—being hired, barely knowing teammates, or even being substitute teachers two weeks prior. (26:46–29:09)
  • “Kickers are so weird… in America, our youth are not practicing enough… stop trying to be quarterbacks, why would you not just teach them to be a kicker?” – Matt Jones (29:22, 29:46)

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9. UK Basketball: Cohesion & Preseason SEC Player of the Year

• Familiarity with Pope’s System: A caller asks if returning players’ familiarity will translate into early dominance. Drew and Matt agree the team should gel more quickly, and that Mark Pope’s system fosters big sophomore leaps. (31:14–32:16)
• Otago's Accolade: Only one freshman (Ben Simmons) has ever been preseason SEC Player of the Year. UK’s own Terrence Jones, Oscar Tshiebwe, Aaron Harrison, and Patrick Patterson were previously named in the Cal era; but winning the award rarely matches preseason predictions. (32:27–34:54)
  • “While I’m excited about Otaga, the history of that award has not been great.” – Matt Jones (34:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Over-Broadcasting: “That’s just a lot of Matt. And by the end of that week… So I’m probably going to give the Tennessee football post game to Billy. Because Billy likes doing it and he’s angry at people.” – Matt Jones (03:42)
• On NIL Shifts: “College sports are socialists that are now having to become capitalist. They just are.” – Matt Jones (11:49)
• On Fan Investment: “There will be people… that will listen to every second of all your shows.” – Ryan Lemond (03:33)
• On Coach Stoops’ Tenure: “I think there is a shelf life for coaches, and you have to decide… Am I ready for number two? …If they don’t, that’s when things start to fall apart.” – Matt Jones (43:10)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:35: Show opens, Matt and crew poke fun at aging and show prep schedules.
• 02:31: Breakdown of Matt’s busy broadcast schedule.
• 03:52: Discussion about Billy hosting angry postgame shows.
• 05:35: Matt details VIP treatment and unexpected police escort at NIL event.
• 09:56: Only six UK sports teams receive NIL revenue-sharing.
• 16:02: Announcement of free postgame party after Purdue game with Cam Thompson.
• 17:20: Mark Stoops named as a candidate for Virginia Tech by their top sports site.
• 23:06: Listener call about accessibility issues at Rupp Arena.
• 31:46: UK basketball returns—discussion about team coming together early.
• 32:27: Trivia on UK’s SEC Preseason Players of the Year.
• 36:28: Fan question on whether rainy weather will help UK vs. Texas.
• 39:11: Matt explains legal issues with trying to fire Stoops “for cause.”
• 42:30: Matt explains the “coaching shelf life” theory.

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Summary

This KSR hour delivers UK sports news, behind-the-scenes stories, and lively discussion with Matt Jones and crew. They cover updates on game scheduling, the reality of NIL revenue sharing in college sports, rumors swirling around Coach Stoops, and community happenings in Lexington. Mix in listener calls, UK basketball optimism, and signature humor about everything from stadium accessibility to the lives of NFL kickers and you get the show’s signature accessible, locally flavored sports radio blend.

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Transcript

[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

This is Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Tuesday, October 14th. I am Matt Jones here in studio. You can give us a shout in Clark's puppet shop phone line. That's 859-280-2287. A Vision Auto Glass text machine is 772-774-5254. In this edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office, if you call TJ, he'll make them pay. Ryan Lemon, Drew Franklin Shannon. Here's how I know that I'm with old. Everybody's gotten old on me.

[Shannon]

What's that?

[Matt Jones]

We're we were sitting here talking about basketball and football pregame shows. I'm in a room full of people. Ryan, Drew, Billy. Ryan who's been doing these shows for 15 years. Billy who's produced them for years. Drew's been on for a few years as well. None of them could remember the times for the pregame shows that we've always done. Everyone but me was going, we start our basketball pregame show three hours before. And I'm like, no, two and a half. We've in there. And Billy was like, it's three. And Ryan's like, it's three.

[Ryan]

I didn't.

[Matt Jones]

And it's no, it's two. And it's always been two.

[Shannon]

And I'm not even on the show. And I know it's two and a half.

[Matt Jones]

It's always been two and a half. So. But we, but it's now that time. We're doing pregame for Purdue basketball, Ryan, next weekend. We play the number one team in the country next Friday.

[Ryan]

That was the conversation we had all these pregame shows for football, basketball, post game shows, trying to get online. And they all started different times. You all have different links.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, we're getting into that time where like will be on. I want you to just get, just think about and I'm not complaining. I'm complaining on behalf of the audience. I want you to think about how much you could hear my voice if you wanted to next weekend. Okay. Yeah. Just think about this Friday morning. KSR, you know, our remote, then basketball pregame show, 3pm basketball post game show. Whenever the Purdue game is over. Saturday, Kentucky, Tennessee football pregame show, two hours. Kentucky, Tennessee football post game show.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Sunday morning, Matt Myron on espn. Sunday night, cover zero.

[Ryan]

That's a lot of radio. That's a lot of Matt.

[Matt Jones]

If you listen to me that whole time, then your wife has to hate you or your husband has to hate you. Why? That's too much me. It's too much me for me.

[Drew]

I'm in the same boat with the football podcast with a happy hour now. I'm like people, at some point, I don't want to just be talking at every moment of every day. But it is.

[Matt Jones]

That's four, three, six. I mean, that's. That's a lot of hours.

[Shannon]

I do that every day.

[Matt Jones]

See, I love this.

[Shannon]

Yes, I do.

[Matt Jones]

You always do that. You do three hours a day, but then you do your music. You're not doing the whole show. You're introing the song.

[Shannon]

Yeah, but I'm talking.

[Matt Jones]

But you. I love you, Shannon. But you type that in 20 minutes.

[Shannon]

But I'm talking, though, is my point.

[Matt Jones]

Like, I'm on the air for 20 minutes. For 20 minutes, whatever.

[Shannon]

It's fine. Tough guy.

[Matt Jones]

You're doing for 20 minutes. You're like, welcome back. This is Foo Fighters.

[Ryan]

You know what's crazy? You said that, though. There, there will be people, though, that will listen to every second of all your shows you got.

[Matt Jones]

I'm very grateful for them doing that. That's just a lot. That's just a lot of.

[Ryan]

A lot of Matt.

[Matt Jones]

A lot of Matt. And by the end of that week, and then we come right back here Monday morning, another full week. So I'm probably going to give the Tennessee football post game. Let Billy do it. Yeah, because Billy likes doing it. Because Billy's angry at people during the post game show. And I think that's going to be an angry. I think that's going to be a post game show after Tennessee where people will want to just be angry. So Billy might be the vibe drew for it, actually.

[Drew]

Well, I had the South Carolina game and you talk about talking the whole time. There were so many calls and people so angry. And it's one of those. Just let them go. And I think Tennessee might be the same.

[Matt Jones]

Billy might be a good person for the. Just let everybody. Let everybody go yesterday. Ryan, I want to thank the listeners who did come out to hear the Wendell Ford lecture.

[Ryan]

How'd it go?

[Matt Jones]

About nil. Thought it went really well. Good night. It Was good. We had a big crowd. You know, I put on a jacket.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Drew]

You mentioned the pants.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you know, it was fun. I have pants. I mean, these. I, I can do the formal thing. Well, I just don't do it very often anymore. I have all these suits from my TV days that I don't get to wear a lot.

[Ryan]

So was there a moment where it got a little tense and you're questioning.

[Matt Jones]

Back and forth or did everything be tense? We're not fighting each other. It was just about trying to teach people about Nil. It wasn't like let's go to war.

[Ryan]

So like a lot like a political debate. You weren't he.

[Matt Jones]

There's nothing political about Nil.

[Drew]

It's just.

[Matt Jones]

Do you. It's just like college sports rules.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's what I just asked him. Was there was a situation where somebody asked a question, Heated question.

[Matt Jones]

It was not heated. Not heated at all. I did have a moment though, that was a little worrisome. So I got there early because, you know, campus, you can't park there. You try to drive on euclid Avenue at 4:30 in the afternoon. Just forget it. I mean, just forget it. They had saved us spots in front of the Singletary.

[Drew]

That helps.

[Matt Jones]

So it had in big letters VIP and our name.

[Drew]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

So I almost took a picture of it. All right. Vip, Matt Jones. So I was the first one there. So I parked, I went. And they had a dressing room for us.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Matt Jones]

Right. Shannon had a dressing room, makeup.

[Shannon]

Did you ever know get a writer?

[Matt Jones]

I did not get a rider. I bought a Coke Zero out of the machine. And then I said. And waited. Well, all the, all the people that are on the panel get there and we're all, we're all sitting there in the room and then this woman comes in and goes up. Matt, can I speak with you for a second? I walk outside and I'm like, oh, well, they're gonna say, and there's a cop there. And they go, this is officer blah, blah, blah. And I was like, hi, officer. And he goes, he's going to take you after this is over. And for a minute I was like, take you where? What did I do? Yeah, this is a prank. What happened? They go, no, no, he's going to escort you to your car when it's over. And I was like, oh, well, I guess who's escorting? And they're like, no, you. And I was like, oh. And they go, we just thought it would be good. Well, that kind of got me paranoid.

[Ryan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon you know, like what was there a threat on me?

[Shannon]

Serious, I could walk to my own car.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I've been on that, I come on that campus all the time. And so they had this guy like kind of walk me out and then somebody mentioned as I was leaving, you know, they're doing this on campus now for anybody who is at all. People could see as political post the Charlie Kirk thing.

[Caller]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

And that was really like. I mean it was very nice, the guy was nice. But like there was a. I have to admit it kind of got me paranoid like. So then I'm starting to look around. It was. It's the weirdest thing. Somebody gives you something to make you feel more comfortable. And I was completely comfortable. And then it almost switched it off.

[Drew]

Because it's something you don't need.

[Matt Jones]

It's like, what?

[Drew]

Why do I need that?

[Matt Jones]

Well, certainly something I didn't think I'd need. But then when they tell you, they presumably would know what I need more than I need know. Does that make sense?

[Ryan]

Yeah, it's, it's kind of sad to think that's the world we live in now where you got to have an escort to walk to your car because you potentially a political person.

[Matt Jones]

So I guess my initial thing about you was was there any argument? And I was like, no, that would be ridiculous. They probably were like you. Is there, is there going to be some. Something wrong?

[Drew]

Ron was on it.

[Matt Jones]

So Ryan, you were actually on it. You could have been in the administration.

[Ryan]

Well, I'm glad they took this, the, the steps to protect you. But it just, it just when I.

[Matt Jones]

Walked out, there was no one there. It was me and Jen Smith that used to work at the Herald Leader and unless she was plotting good.

[Ryan]

Was she there for the.

[Matt Jones]

She's a professor there now.

[Ryan]

Josiah has her in class.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. For people who don't know Jen Smith, she was the football writer for UK for many, many years. She's now a professor at uk. So anyway, I enjoyed it. A lot of you all listeners came, saw you in the crowd and some of you came up and said hello. So appreciate that. And in talking about over the course of conversation, one of the things Matt's Mark story said about NIL thought was interesting. So I throw a to test to you how many sports at UK has UK committed to giving nil money? Rev share.

[Drew]

2.

[Matt Jones]

So let's, let's, let's just tell, let's talk about how many because I don't think Mark said this during the thing and I don't think I'd heard it. So this was Mark from Mark's story. Take a guess. How many sports at UK are getting rev share in nil money? Drew.

[Drew]

Trying to run through sports in my head, say them out loud. Well, I mean, you get the big two, then you got women's basketball.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Drew]

Volleyball. What would be next? Baseball.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Drew]

What's a sure fire thing?

[Ryan]

I. I was gonna think even men's and women's soccer.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Ryan]

Men's and women swimming.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Ryan]

Men's and women's golf.

[Matt Jones]

So what's your total?

[Ryan]

I'm going to go 18.

[Matt Jones]

18 sports at UK. What do you.

[Drew]

10. 10.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon, what do you think?

[Shannon]

12.

[Matt Jones]

The answer is 6. 6. They're giving it to men's basketball, men's football, women's basketball, baseball, volleyball and softball. And that's it. Track.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Getting it. Even though we have like a national producing gold medal. Go. Soccer. Not getting.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I thought for sure.

[Matt Jones]

Golf. Not getting soccer.

[Drew]

Golf. Don't surprise me. Track surprises me. Should have gotten softball now.

[Matt Jones]

So we have six. Guess how many Louisville has.

[Ryan]

Well, not to say that.

[Matt Jones]

4.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

5.

[Ryan]

5.

[Matt Jones]

Louisville's not giving it to softball, so Louisville's down to giving it to only five sports. Which means one of Louisville sports at least is getting money that is going to uk. Softball is going to another. It's an interesting thought because on the one hand you go, well, that stinks for the other programs. But on the other hand, as Mark pointed out, every dollar you give to baseball or to softball or to volleyball or to whatever is dollars you're not giving to your football and basketball team. And that this is the constant balancing that. That schools have to do. But I think it was. It was kind of startling to me to hear that we're only doing six because I guess I would have thought, Ryan, they're going to do a lot more. But it's six. And apparently at six, we are doing more than most other schools. Most other schools, by the ways, are doing football, basketball, women's basketball, baseball, and then they're picking one other.

[Ryan]

One other one.

[Matt Jones]

They're picking one other one. Maybe it's for them, for like Oklahoma, it's softball. For another school, it might be this, but they're just picking another one.

[Ryan]

I really thought, knowing Mitch Barnard the way he is with his other Olympic sports, he's trying to be fair. I thought he would kind of.

[Matt Jones]

It was just.

[Ryan]

Can't be fair in this world.

[Matt Jones]

Can't be fair in this world. You just can't. If you're fair, you're losing this is a competition.

[Drew]

It's not fair.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, this is a socialist sport that has had to enter into capitalism. People don't like when I use that phrase, but it's the truth. College sports has been socialism for 80 years. And it's always funny to me that the people who are the most athletes should be paid. People like me are people who people think are on the left. We take the capitalist position, oddly. Whereas the people who wanted athletes to be paid the least are often people on the right who are taking a socialist position, which is share it between the things, et cetera. And this college is. College sports are socialists that are now having to become capitalist. They just are.

[Drew]

Yeah. You know, I wish we've had some great tennis players. I wish they could get paid. But you just. These sports don't have attendance when you go to them. And they're not bringing anything in. Many of them aren't even on SEC Network Plus. So if people aren't going to the games, you hate it for those athletes. But the slice of the pie, it's just hard to show.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think that six goes down to five or four in a few years? Do you think there comes a point where Kentucky says, well, we're not even going to do. You know, Mark Story made the point. If you're a softball player and you're choosing between Kentucky and Louisville, how do you choose Louisville? Now, Kentucky, by the very nature that they're giving money, is saying they're taking softball more seriously than Louisville is.

[Ryan]

But to answer your question, I think it's highly possible that that number could get smaller as the years go on.

[Matt Jones]

I do, too. I mean, you could have a world where it's two. Football, basketball, or I think they probably have to have one women's sport. But you could see a world where it was three, right?

[Drew]

Yeah, three, maybe four. Where you have one school that's been good at something for a long time. But I agree with it, not including those others, even though it stinks to say that out loud, that those kids don't get it.

[Matt Jones]

It's just they're not bringing scholarship. They're just not getting like, red. They're not share money.

[Drew]

They don't have the big cash in their pocket, but they're also not bringing much cash in.

[Matt Jones]

So it was interesting. It is interesting because I. I wouldn't have said 18, but I probably would have been like Drew. I would have probably said 10, I thought for sure. And to hear that it's six. And at Louisville it's five.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

And they also said, by the way, Bellarmine did not opt into the rev share.

[Drew]

Wow.

[Shannon]

Really?

[Matt Jones]

And would you like to know why? Yeah, because Bell, because part of the rev share is you have to cut your scholarships down and Bellarmine is so focused on keeping male students enrolled that they want to keep their sports programs with big numbers so that they can keep male students enrolled. So they'd rather keep the scholarship numbers big and give no money.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

So Bellarmine is the only school in Kentucky Division one school that is not doing rev share I guess for any sport.

[Drew]

Interesting.

[Ryan]

There's probably some other smaller schools in other states just like Mark's point is.

[Matt Jones]

Schools with like small catholic or small liberal or not liberal arts schools are going to have to do that because such a huge portion of their student body is now student is athletes.

[Ryan]

Sure.

[Matt Jones]

And they don't want to see this. The scholarship numbers get reduced because then like trancy I think 50% of the students that go to Transy now play a sport. Georgetown's like that where I teach.

[Ryan]

Yeah, Kentucky Wesleyan is definitely like that.

[Matt Jones]

That's why I so that's why Bellarmine I guess apparently opted out of it. 859-280-2287 Text machine to 772-774-5254 we'll take a break.

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. It is containing sports radio 859-280-2287 UK has just announced a Rupp arena is announcing after the UK Purdue exhibition game Friday there will be a post Game party right outside the arena.

[Ryan]

What?

[Matt Jones]

Cam Thompson singer. Who's Cam Thompson? Do we know Cam Thompson? Do not.

[Ryan]

No.

[Matt Jones]

You know a Cam Thompson song, Shannon?

[Shannon]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Well, Cam Thompson's going to be out rocking. It's free. So as you walk out Vine Street. So I guess that's walking out what? Walking out where the fountains are. Yeah. Apparently Cam Thompson will be out. They'll have concessions. And it is a UK basketball post game party after the Purdue game.

[Ryan]

Well, the Purdue games at 6, so it's early in our Friday game.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. So the Purdue game's actually at 6. It's not at 7 like people think. So it's at 6. And then I guess starting as soon as the game's over, they will have downtown part of it. I guess they're going to have downtown closed. I don't know how that'll look, but.

[Drew]

Excited to have Cam Thompson in the background of the rap.

[Matt Jones]

Thompson's going to be here, Shannon.

[Shannon]

That's right. It's exciting. Can't wait to be there for that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, he might. You don't know. Cam Thompson maybe is.

[Drew]

Yeah, I mean we don't do something.

[Matt Jones]

What kind of music is. What kind of music is. I'm going to say it's bro Country. Just.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I would say so.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, maybe people. So that's some news. All right, let's talk about some. Some chatter from yesterday. Last night, Virginia Tech's version of Kentucky Sports radio, so they're kind of number one website for sports listed, said a hot name for Virginia Tech right now behind the scenes as the coach is Mark Stoops. Kentucky fans heard that news after it was put out by KSR and reacted with, I think excitement is fair to say there's a little bit of jubilee. I think the problem is people are going to get excited, which is going to then make Virginia Tech people not be interested. But this conversation, for what it's worth, I don't think he's going to be the Virginia Tech coach, but are we just going to keep having this? Is this a case where Kentucky fans are already like, hey, someone Br John Tyson in Arkansas.

[Drew]

That and just the fact that Stoop's name was in this report made me think that his agent has maybe thrown around that he'd be interested in something.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, so you think this is Stoops, his agent, throwing his name out there?

[Drew]

Well, I don't know why else he would be considered for it. Like, I think most people were surprised his name was on there. And the only thing I could Think of that would kind of get it on the list is if behind the scenes somebody's talking because I don't think.

[Matt Jones]

But that would be good. But I mean, if you're someone who wants to see a change, it would be good that Stoops agent is trying to promote him out there.

[Drew]

But I took it as that that might actually be happening behind the scenes on the Stoops in.

[Matt Jones]

So you actually took it as good news.

[Drew]

Most people would say, yeah, that's good news. Stoops might, even with it through his agent might be looking around for a backup plan.

[Ryan]

You know, there are so many jobs open and going to come open. A name like Mark Stoops for a job at Virginia Tech, they probably would jump at the chance, I think, to be interested in Mark Stoops.

[Matt Jones]

Who.

[Ryan]

Because who else are you going to get? It's some guy.

[Matt Jones]

Who else are they going to get?

[Ryan]

You got a chance to get an sec?

[Matt Jones]

I have to. I have to. I have to push back on that. I think our fans sometimes overvalue this job. Like, what makes you think Virginia Tech's a better job than Kentucky?

[Ryan]

I don't.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. So why would Virginia Tech want a coach that Kentucky fans want gone?

[Ryan]

I think a guy who's had success in the SEC even though he hadn't had success last couple of years.

[Matt Jones]

But do you think by Virginia Tech standards that's a team that played for the national championship 25 years?

[Ryan]

Long time ago.

[Matt Jones]

Still, though it's a football school and they've been.

[Ryan]

They've had to struggle a couple years.

[Matt Jones]

And you think they'd want the coach that Kentucky fans don't want?

[Ryan]

I'd say.

[Drew]

Would you.

[Matt Jones]

Would we want the coach Virginia Tech doesn't want?

[Ryan]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you already. You think they're a better program than us? I didn't say that. You think we're a better program than them? Yes.

[Ryan]

And Stoops had success here in the sec.

[Matt Jones]

Why do you think we're a better program than them?

[Ryan]

I think because we're in the SEC. We had. We've had. We had a couple 10 win seasons now. Not on the history. I mean like right now, last 10 years.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So I think there's a little truth to it.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, we're in the sec. That's a lot better than the acc.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

We can probably pay as much or more than their coach. But Drew, I would not say we're a better program. Not a better program.

[Drew]

I might. I can agree with Ryan. I might be a better spot right now with sec Money. And if you're a coach, you want to get in the sec, we're not historically a better programmer. Not even really close.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I saw someone list the 13 or 14 jobs that are likely to be open and I saw a Kentucky fan say, well, we're the fifth best job of that group. I don't know what the standard for that is. I mean, if you just want to say the 16 best. The 16 jobs in the SEC are the 16 best jobs, then that, that's fine. I don't think most coaches look at it like that. I mean, I think coaches partially look at it and go, can I win there? And by the can I win their circumstance, this is a hard. Still a hard job. Right. Because we have to play against those other teams. You could go to Virginia Tech. And if you get that rolled or turned around, how many teams in the ACC are definitively better than you as a program? Clemson and Miami. Florida State.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You could be next and you would.

[Ryan]

Jump at the chance to get back to the sec.

[Matt Jones]

Let's say you get Kentucky at its best. Let's say you get us peak rolling.

[Ryan]

Gotcha.

[Matt Jones]

Where do we rank our program in the top 16? Even at our peak, we're not going to be higher than Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Texas, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Oklahoma, those are 10 schools that there will be nothing we can do that our job is more attractive than theirs.

[Ryan]

Probably never.

[Matt Jones]

So then really you're like, okay, is our job more attractive than Bandy? Probably. Is our job more attractive than Mississippi State? Yeah, probably. But then like South Carolina, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Missouri, we're kind of in that group, aren't we?

[Drew]

Oh, definitely. And if you, if I put myself in Virginia Tech's fan shoes right now, that list that came out, of the eight names on it, I like Mark Stoops as a person. I would not be excited compared to the other names that were on that list. So I doubt there's many Virginia Tech fans that saw that and thought, ooh, we should get stoops of this bunch because it had James Franklin, goal ish at South Florida, some raw Mullen. It had all these hot names. So I think if you're Virginia Tech.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, Beamer's probably the one they want the most because his dad was a coach there. Eric. Go ahead, Eric.

[Caller]

Oh, yes, sir. Every time it puts me on the spot and I pretty much lose where I'm at. But yesterday I called in and I was. I forgot my main point about rep. Is there anything that you could see Possible doing to make it easier on older folk. No. Or because, I mean, I mean, I'm sitting there for RUP and it's just there.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, what would you do wrong?

[Caller]

And you just feel, so can you expand it and make it a little flatter?

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you know how much that, I mean, we're sitting here trying to figure out what we're gonna do about it. Yeah. I mean, we're, we're, we're about to start paying players $21 million a year. The government is shut down. Where are we getting the money to make rep flatter?

[Caller]

I mean, that is a very valid point.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just, I didn't know. So. No, I agree with you. It is very hard for older folks to get around rubber.

[Ryan]

It really is.

[Matt Jones]

It's very steep. But I don't really think, I think of the things that are going to happen soon. Major changes that RUP are probably not anytime soon. We're going to take a break. 859-280-2287. KSR, TJ Smith, personal injury attorney.

[Ryan]

Call TJ.

[Matt Jones]

He'll make them pay.

[Shannon]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt.

[Matt Jones]

Cam Thompson.

[Shannon]

This is Cam Thompson. So what you're gonna get give me.

[Matt Jones]

Like, give me like 10 seconds of it here. All right. So not my thing, but, but people like this, right? Like, if I turned on 98:1 to bull, I could hear this.

[Drew]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Right. Like this is, he's got like probably a T shirt, a hat, jeans. Right. Something about whiskey truck.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there's woman left him, but he's going to get him back and ain't no more country than he is. Like, that's. No, I mean this, I'm not, I'm not even mocking. Like, this is, this is what people like. So he's from Owensboro, apparently. So I'm rooting for it. Let's go. Cam Thompson, Ryan's hometown.

[Drew]

I'm not familiar with him, but as I said when you first mentioned, I just like that they're doing it whether it's someone I've heard of or not. They're just adding more and more for fans to experience.

[Matt Jones]

I totally agree.

[Drew]

Pat him on the back for that.

[Matt Jones]

Totally.

[Drew]

No matter who it is.

[Matt Jones]

859-280-2287. Couple open lines. Give us a shout out. What would you do if you were the football and or basketball coach? One person writes, Matt, I don't think Virginia Tech would want students, but there probably are schools that will. The question is, do we Think he will want to go somewhere? Yeah, I can't imagine he's going to want to do this again. But then again, like we say all this, you beat Texas Saturday. It's a completely different conversation.

[Ryan]

Completely different.

[Matt Jones]

Completely different conversation. Which is what's weird about sports in general is like you can have this whole strong opinion. If he won next week, then everybody go, well, I mean, you know, James.

[Drew]

Franklin had Oregon down just three weeks ago.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's a great point. James Franklin's up at halftime. I think he was in overtime and he'd be the number one team in the country. And two and a half weeks later, he's fired, he's gone. You know, so things can change that.

[Ryan]

You know, that's what I saying. There's so many jobs open. Like this year, high level jobs. They're going to go get the high level candidates. Does that elevate Stoop as Stoops is a better candidate in some school's eyes.

[Matt Jones]

Who I still. I don't understand what you're asking me. Who do you think is out there that's got a good job that wants Mark Stoops?

[Ryan]

I'm saying like guys like Penn State, Florida, they're gonna get the high level guys.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Drew]

He's saying someone's gonna have to settle because there's just too many open jobs.

[Matt Jones]

I agree with. Yeah, but I think the. But the kind of coaches we want is going to be what schools like Virginia Tech want. They're going to want Will Stein. Yeah, right. Or John Sumrall. Like, don't you think that's who they're.

[Drew]

Going to want or guys want them? There will be some schools where there's Virginia Tech. Hey, maybe Kentucky.

[Matt Jones]

It might be that make a hire.

[Drew]

That's a little disappointing just because there's not enough candidates out there.

[Matt Jones]

That I can completely agree with the Bears one last night.

[Drew]

Thriller.

[Matt Jones]

It was a thriller. Normally we lose that game. We won it last night.

[Ryan]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Caleb Williams, the commanders fumbled it due to a nor'.

[Ryan]

Easter.

[Matt Jones]

What is that?

[Ryan]

A nor'? Easter?

[Matt Jones]

Channing, do you know what a nor' easter is? They're having a nor'. Easter.

[Shannon]

Like where it was like a ton of rain that came through. Like a nor'. Easter. Like I hear that with like rain phrase.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but what makes it any different than like what we had here a week and a half ago? What is it Nor'? Easter? Just that the Northeasterners decided if it happens where they live, it's something with.

[Drew]

Their wind up there. I don't. That's the Farthest I can go.

[Matt Jones]

What does it do?

[Drew]

It spins.

[Shannon]

And what a storm or wind blowing from the northeast, especially in New England, is a nor'.

[Drew]

Easter.

[Ryan]

There you go.

[Matt Jones]

So it's just wind and they named it. Yeah. See, that's what. That is what gets me about the Northeast. They just. I mean, we could just call it like bluegrass or.

[Drew]

Yes, Southeastern.

[Matt Jones]

We have a bad storm and then that's the name of a type of weather.

[Drew]

And then people will be like, well, people in Kentucky get wind, and it's.

[Matt Jones]

Tough to live in Kentucky. They get the bluegrassers.

[Drew]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Matt Jones]

So anyway, well, the nor' easter hit and then they fumbled.

[Ryan]

That's why they fumbled it.

[Matt Jones]

And. Well, it was very wet and rainy and they fumbled it.

[Drew]

Did you have faith in the field goal in the middle of the Northeastern? Because they zoomed in on the wind and the rain.

[Matt Jones]

And that guy, they just signed him that day. Did you see that?

[Ryan]

No.

[Matt Jones]

The Bears just signed the guy that afternoon, kicker, and he kicked. They interviewed the player at the end. They interviewed Caleb Williams. They said, what'd you think about the kicker? And he said, I didn't know who he was.

[Drew]

Well, he's the one that the. The Niners let go because he couldn't make anything in the first few weeks.

[Matt Jones]

But, Shannon, how would you like that? If you're the kicker, the. They got. They interview the guy, he goes, well, I didn't know who that guy was, but I'm glad he made.

[Shannon]

If you're the kicker, you're barely on the team until they need you to kick a field goal to win the game. Then they love you the rest of the time.

[Matt Jones]

And it's got to be a hard job because they either love you or they want you to just go away.

[Ryan]

You miss a kick, you're done.

[Matt Jones]

You miss one kick and you're over. I mean, it's over.

[Shannon]

You don't even practice with the team or anything. You know, kind of off on your own.

[Matt Jones]

You look not like them.

[Drew]

Well, how about just a few weeks ago, the Falcons kicker kicks a game winner and on the field, uh, she's like, do you even know your teammates? He's like, no. And he's standing interview, and he shakes his head out. He's like, hi, I'm so and so. He met them in the postgame interview.

[Matt Jones]

After kicking the game. The kicker for the packers yesterday was a substitute teacher two weeks ago. Two weeks ago he was substitute teaching. Then he's kicking for the packers and has a game winning. Kickers are so weird.

[Drew]

The Cowboys, Brent Aubrey could be one of the best kickers ever, and he just got tired of soccer because he got old and couldn't run anymore. And he's like, well, I'll go try to play football. And he's automatic.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, think about Max moved across the world to play a sport he'd never watched.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Because they were like, well, you'd be good at this. And then he won the award for best kicker in the country.

[Drew]

This tells me, in America, our youth are not practicing enough.

[Matt Jones]

Stop trying to be quarterbacks. If you want your kid to be an athlete, why would you not just teach them to be a kicker again? Use Max Duffy. This would be the equivalent of like, me going. Somebody going, you know, you'd be good. Cricket, moving to Australia and then I win the national cricket Player of the Year award. Two years ago, he had not even watched football.

[Drew]

My favorite thing is he visited Memphis and Alabama and didn't know there was a difference between the programs.

[Matt Jones]

No, he visited Memphis and Alabama and he was like, well, Memphis is a bigger city, so it must be better.

[Drew]

So he got there, obviously, but on his way over, had no idea there was a difference in Memphis and Alabama.

[Matt Jones]

His story's about when he met with Nick Saban. And Nick Saban was like, I don't know about these Australians. And, you know, then he ended up winning the award. And Saban went up to him and said, I was wrong.

[Ryan]

Oh, he did. I didn't know that part of the story.

[Matt Jones]

He said, I wish I. Because. Because he want. Max wanted to go to Alabama. Basically. That guy brought back. Then they bring these Australians over here.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And it was. I think. I think Drew's right. It was Memphis, Alabama, Kentucky, but Kentucky was like third. He went to Memphis and Alabama and he was like, well, I guess I'll probably go to Memphis. It's a bigger city. Then he got there and he's like, oh, Alabama's better. He tried out for Saban, and I think Saban was like, nah, Australians. And then later saving him. And that's how we ended up with wow. And then later saving. Apologize.

[Ryan]

Saban did apologize to him.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So, Kyle. Go ahead, Kyle.

[Caller]

So last year on the basketball team, Robinson was the only guy that really knew Pope system. This year we got about four guys, I think, that are pretty familiar with what we're going to run. You got to imagine that's going to lead to some early season dominance, like the like of which we haven't seen since, like, Fox and Monk and I'll Hang up and listen.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we were pretty good early season last year. I mean, remember we beat Duke.

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

In one of the early games. I do think this team will be cohesive quicker due to the guys coming back. Wouldn't you think so? Yeah.

[Drew]

And a couple times this offseason Pope has really gone out of his way to talk about every team he's ever had. His freshmen make big jumps to his sophomore year just in how he coaches them and how he teaches in his system. He says that's always the biggest jump. I mean that's kind of natural anyway, freshman to sophomore. But he's talking about. He's like look out for Colin Chandler, Trent Noah. I have a history of doing this second year guys have big breakthroughs in just the way I have it all set up. So I would expect that of even Brandon Garrison being a second year guy. Even though it's not a sophomore. I think a lot of the returning players will see it.

[Matt Jones]

Otago was named preseason SEC Player of the Year. I looked at the preseason SEC players of the year. The list is fascinating.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

First of all, only one freshman in the history of the SEC has been named preseason SEC Player of the Year. Can you guess the only freshman to ever be named Preseason SEC Player of the Year.

[Ryan]

I guess I'll take John Wall.

[Matt Jones]

Then you take John Wall. What do you think?

[Drew]

I'm going to say it's not even a Kentucky player.

[Matt Jones]

What is it?

[Drew]

But I can't think of one. I guess I'll just have to say Davis to not have dead air here. But I don't.

[Matt Jones]

What do you think?

[Drew]

I don't believe it's him.

[Shannon]

Shaquille o'. Neal.

[Matt Jones]

Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons is the no Kentucky player was it has ever been. Would you like to know the Kentucky players of the Cal era named preseason SEC Player of the Year? We've had three. Okay, this is a great trivia question. I'm doing trivia tomorrow at KS Bar. If I did this one I don't think many people would get. I can't believe I'm giving this one up because this would be a great one. Can you give me the three cow players away is the first one of the stoops of the Pope era. Give me the three Cal players named preseason SEC Player of the Year.

[Drew]

Oscar.

[Matt Jones]

Oscar is one.

[Drew]

I'm going to say Terrence Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Terrence Jones is too good.

[Ryan]

Thank you.

[Matt Jones]

When Terrence Jones in 2012 when Anthony Davis was pre was player of the year. Terrence Jones was preseason player of the Year. Can you get the third.

[Drew]

Do you have one?

[Matt Jones]

Ryan?

[Ryan]

No.

[Drew]

Trying to think of a returner.

[Shannon]

Harrison twins yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Actually, you know what? There are four. Aaron Harrison was one of them.

[Ryan]

Was he?

[Matt Jones]

Aaron Harrison was preseason player of the year in 2015, but that wasn't even the one I was thinking of. There were four because Aaron Harrison was one.

[Drew]

It's got to be just anyone that made a surprise comeback.

[Matt Jones]

Patrick Patterson Way back. Patrick Patterson was the other SEC preseason Player of the Year under Cal. So while I of the last 20 preseason players of the year, guess how many one preseason players but one player.

[Ryan]

That actually won the award?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Only three.

[Drew]

Yeah, I'm not many.

[Matt Jones]

So while I'm excited about Otaga, the history of that award has not been great. Mark Sears last year. Got it. But in general doesn't happen. So just an interesting piece of fact. Terrence Jones I didn't think anybody would get Terrence Jones giving you the hint that there were no freshmen.

[Drew]

Well, I knew there weren't any freshman. I said Davis, but I could just couldn't think of another SEC freshman. But I knew Kentucky didn't have one.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Ben Simmons is the only one. And of course he didn't win it when the award either Brought to you by this is brought to you by Serve Pro, the number one choice in cleanup and restoration. Whether it's mold, fire, storm or water damage, we've got a pro for that. It's Serve Pro, where the special official sponsors the Cincinnati Reds. When you do a ballpark review, they're the ESPN Radio College Football Tour responder. There's a bowl game, there's a PGA Tour event, the World firefighter league. That's ServePro. It's all there. Go to ServePro or servepro.com we'll take a break and be right back.

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio 859-280-2287. One person writes Matt Sun, Saturday, they're saying it may rain during the game. Are we having a bluegrasser during the. During the Texas game? Is that what it's supposed to? Is it supposed to rain?

[Drew]

I haven't seen that.

[Ryan]

I haven't seen it either.

[Matt Jones]

Would that help or hurt us? Help? No. You think so?

[Ryan]

If we can get it where all we got to do is run the ball, that's our best advantage. Slow them down. Let us run the ball and run it over here.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there's probably some truth to that, right?

[Drew]

I don't think. I'm worried we could get shut out. Their defense, I know they have arch. They do have a really good defense. We just saw what they did to Oklahoma.

[Matt Jones]

It's a game where we cannot fall behind.

[Drew]

Oh, no.

[Matt Jones]

If we're behind, it's over.

[Drew]

Our over under team total is 14 points on DraftKings. You got to think to be Texas, you're going to need a lot more than that.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Well, I do think Lexington, by the way, the next two weekends are going to be Lexington at their finest.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I would say to you like this if you just, just think about the next two weekends in Lexington.

[Drew]

You start with this weekend, which is parents weekend.

[Matt Jones]

Parents weekend. Keeneland blue white game uk Texas for the first time in forever.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

This weekend's awesome. The next weekend, Purdue, number one team in the country in basketball. Keeneland. I think they have some sales during that. And then Tennessee.

[Ryan]

Tennessee.

[Matt Jones]

And it's Halloween weekend or the lead into Halloween. Like these next two weekends in Lexington are going to be pretty great. And if you don't have a hotel, forget it.

[Drew]

This is one of those stretches where sometimes I consider Airbnb own house going to someone's couch because Lexington is going to be mayhem.

[Matt Jones]

It's going to be mayhem. It's going to be mayhem starting Thursday. Adam Sandler's here Thursday.

[Ryan]

That's true. He's here this week.

[Matt Jones]

You know, so you get Adam Sandler Thursday night. I mean, Rob's got Adam Sandler. Blue white, Thompson, Cam Thompson.

[Drew]

Matt Jones trivia starting Matt Jones trivia Wednesday.

[Matt Jones]

I mean that the party just starts. One person writes, matt, could UK use a violation in a clause to get to Stoops, his contract to justify his firing. No, no. And even the clause that, like, he can't go talk to other schools, I think UK probably gave. There's something. There's basically a rule in contract law that if you've let him do it in the past, you can't then later use it as the justification. So, remember with Cal, he had a thing that he couldn't talk to other schools, but he had never officially done it. Then he admitted he did it, and UK was like, all right, you're gone. Can't do that with Stoops. Because Stoops acknowledged he talked to Texas A. Yeah. And we didn't do anything about it. So I think if he did it again, UK couldn't say anything that's.

[Ryan]

You know, it's so interesting, you think about that, that he almost left us for Texas A and M. And it.

[Matt Jones]

Might be the reason they can't get rid of him.

[Ryan]

It might be the reason they can't.

[Matt Jones]

Get rid of him. Mitch has done many things well. The negotiation of that contract will go down as a low point, David. Probably second only to maybe the Billy Gillespie hired.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Caller]

How you doing, Matt?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Caller]

Yeah. So I think there's no way Stoops is really even a candidate for Virginia Tech with his and Beamers, with his and Shane's relationship as a father. Frank Beamer is a God at Virginia Tech. I went on a soccer visit with. I coach a large soccer league here in Georgia, and when I went there, I coached J.Q. hardaway. And when I went there, Frank Binger was just walking around. So he's like the godfather there. If you don't like my kid, I don't like you.

[Matt Jones]

But there's been some talk that Shane doesn't want that job because he doesn't want to be in his dad's footsteps all the time. Now he. He may lose the South Carolina job if they don't do better, and then he'll probably take any job he could get. But. But that's always been the statement about Shane, is that he kind of didn't want to be in his dad's shadow.

[Caller]

So on James Franklin, could a school pay him 100,000 a year, let Penn State pay the rest of his salary and use that money for nil?

[Matt Jones]

It's a great question. I appreciate the call that that has been done in the past. I don't know what the rules are. It depends on the wording of the Penn State contract. But, yes, it has been suggested over the years that schools would go, I'll get James Franklin. He's getting eight, nine million dollars a year from Penn State. We'll pay him 150,000 and let Penn State pay the rest of the contract.

[Ryan]

And if he wants the job, of course he'd take it.

[Matt Jones]

And then we'll use that 9 million and get in. I wouldn't be the dumbest thing in the world.

[Drew]

I've wondered that too. Even lower. Like, can we sign you for a dollar and just let them cover your entire salary?

[Matt Jones]

And if you're James Franklin, you'll make another. Could actually get players at the other.

[Drew]

School hitting my bank account one way or another.

[Matt Jones]

Mike. Go ahead, Mike.

[Caller]

Yeah, man. This, this deal was. Stoops. I was sitting here thinking about it last couple days, and I just don't think we can afford to pay him off if, you know, just to fire him. Because if you're a young and up and coming coach, are you coming to Kentucky? I mean, that seems like where coaches go to die. I mean, I mean, you know, honestly.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, so if I'm an established coach, I think that's a harder thing. But if you're a young up and coming. Let's just think about when we hired Stoops. I mean, he was coming from Florida State when Florida State was Florida State. Never been a head coach and he wanted the job. So, yeah, I do think, like take Will Stein. Take Will Stein at Oregon, don't you? I am certain. Yeah. I am certain Will Stein at Oregon would take this job unless a better job was offered. Now, if a better job was offered, he might take that one. But if it was Will Stein was offered this job, he would take it. I'm a. I know for a fact he would take it. Now if he's offered Florida, he might take Florida over us. But, but. So, yes, I do think there are up and coming coaches who would do it.

[Caller]

But don't you think Stoops kind of stayed too long because, you know, we all thought, even you, that nobody could ever correct.

[Matt Jones]

I did not think anyone could win here. Yeah, I think he stayed too long. I think. I do. I do. I think you're right and I appreciate the call. I think that there is a shelf life for coaches and you have to decide. I look at coaching as ten year grooves, okay? Everybody's got ten years in them if they're good. But then about year 10 or 11, you got to look in the mirror and say, now am I ready for the second 10 years? Because you got to restart. Ryan. Chances are you're going to have to relearn some rules. The game's going to have changed. You're not going to be able to have rested on your laurels. Now, am I ready for number two? Remember Nick Saban did this. He got through 10 years, kind of hit a bump and he said, you know what? I'm going to do it. Hired Lane Kiffin, changed up his offense, changed everything. Then he had a great second 10 year run. Cal Perry, amazing 10 year run, got to 20, 20 could change. Decided not to hired his boys. Stoops great. 10 year run gets to 20, what? 22, 23. Time to change. Doesn't happen. I think guys get 10 years and then they got to decide am I ready to be a different version of myself for the next 10? And if they don't, that's when things start to fall apart. That's my thesis. Take a break. Talk basketball right after this. KSR this is the story of the 1.

[Ryan]

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