2025-10-27- KSR - Hour 1

Summary

Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) – Hour 1

Air date: October 27, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones, Ryan Lemond, Drew Franklin
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Main Theme

The KSR crew dives into the dramatic state of Kentucky Football following a disheartening loss to Tennessee. The program’s looming coaching change dominates the first hour as Matt, Ryan, and Drew analyze the current situation, the probable departure of Mark Stoops, and the feelings of fans and administration. The show is a blend of frank assessment, gallows humor, and candid commentary, emphasizing the tension between loyalty to Stoops and the program's pressing need for a fresh start.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. State of Kentucky Football & Emotional Fallout (01:01–04:41)

• Ryan’s Personal Struggles Parallel the Team: Ryan shares his weekend in pain (bad back), using it as a segue for having watched a lot of football and experiencing the highs of Kentucky basketball and lows of Kentucky football.

  • "I could barely move and I was like ready to go outside and go, all right, one piece." — Ryan (03:16)

• Contrast: Basketball Excitement vs. Football Disappointment:

  • Basketball’s impressive performance brought a fleeting joy to the fanbase.
  • Football game was so porous defensively that Tennessee felt like they could have scored “90 points.” (04:58–05:26)
  • The demoralization was evident in the empty fourth quarter: "It just became their stadium for the fourth quarter. It was bleachers and orange." — Drew (05:57)

2. Assessing the Future of Mark Stoops (06:45–16:59)

• Rumor Mill & Reliable Sources:

  • Matt cautions fans to only trust a select few media for “insider” updates (KSR, Justin Rowland, Larry Vaught, John Hale, Jeff Drummond). (06:45–07:00)

• Probabilities on Stoops’ Future:

  • Matt puts departure “at 85 to 90% chance” unless the team improbably rallies to win six games, "The only way it could be different is if ... they were to win six and six." (07:56–08:54)
  • Losing to Auburn or Florida could be a “final nail,” and an in-season firing—once unthinkable—is now possible:
    "I think if they lost to Auburn in Florida and one of those was embarrassing, it could happen." — Matt (09:02–09:10)

• Practical Considerations:

  • In-season firing would likely be after the Florida game if it happpens at all.
  • The optics of an empty stadium for upcoming games, especially against Tennessee Tech, is a real concern for administration. (13:23–13:58)

3. Stoic Coaching Realities & Community Sentiment (15:01–16:59)

• Stoops’ Own Awareness:

  • Recent remarks by Stoops indicate he knows the writing is on the wall:
    "Almost like, leads me to believe, okay, ... He understands what's happening." — Matt (15:01, 15:11)

• Empathy for Stoops:

  • Matt expresses empathy for a coach who has devoted his life to the program:
    "I feel bad for him because I know this is like breaking his heart." — Ryan (15:21–16:19)

4. Fans’ and Callers’ Reactions & Coaching Carousel (24:48–35:08)

Calls & Fan Frustration:

• Bittersweet Endings:

  • "Sadness at the end of an era. And we can't be mad at Mark Stoops because he's too good of a guy. At least if it was Brian Kelly, we could hate him." — David (26:34)

• Indiana & Vanderbilt’s Success:

  • Their improvement is “thrown in our face,”, highlighting frustration about UK’s stagnation. (27:06–27:22)

Buyout and Coaching Search:

• Debate over Paying Out Stoops:

  • Callers and hosts discuss the realities and negotiations likely involved; Matt stresses Stoops will get a job somewhere else. (25:48, 25:55, 25:57)
  • Matt, Ryan, Drew each rank their preferred next coach, with John Summerall and Will Stein as top contenders. (34:24–34:48)

• Coaching Search Urgency:

  • Portal deadlines make a quick transition necessary:
    "You need to have your new coach in place the day after that Louisville game, because that transfer portal opens..." — Matt (19:28)

• Feasibility of a Lame-Duck Coach:

  • Rare and awkward for a coach to be publicly let go but finish the year—unlike “Coach K retirement tours.” (20:06–20:23)

Betting, Gallows Humor, and Memes:

• Betting Against Kentucky:

  • Drew admits betting Tennessee’s spread: "Well, when it was seven and a half, at some point you got to go. All right, well, this is just obvious." (22:49)

• Allusions to the Program's Past Lows:

  • The “Joker Vandy” game as a haunting parallel to a potential humiliating Tennessee Tech game with empty stands. (13:58–14:21)

5. Strategic & Emotional Fork in the Road (36:02–45:35)

• Fan Division & Bowl Game Incentives:

  • Some in the fanbase want the team to lose in order to force a change; hosts strongly object:
    "I don't like those people... We're here to win games." — Matt (45:02–45:13)
  • Emphasis remains on not “tanking” for change’s sake.

• Realistic Forecasts:

  • Most likely scenario is a four- or five-win finish, but the faint path to a bowl game persists. (29:48–30:16)

• Roster Retention:

  • Priority is holding onto young promising players (especially QB Cutter Bowley), with coaching hire likely determinant. (33:45–33:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I guess you could say, okay, well, we're not, we're nine for 29 from three. I mean, I guess, but like, I don't know, man, I was really excited." — Ryan, on basketball-induced optimism (03:40)

• "They could have scored every time they were on the field. I think they punted one time, which kind of blows my mind." — Matt, on Tennessee’s offensive dominance (05:11)

• "I think we're getting to the point that it's like it's going to have to be done. So just the question is only method." — Ryan, on Stoops’ probable departure (12:32)

• "My weakness in life is also a strength, which is I'm, like, insanely empathetic to people, even people who are mean to me." — Ryan, reflecting on empathizing with Stoops (15:21)

• "There comes a point, there's nothing we could do." — Stoops (22:08, as paraphrased by Ryan, regarding secondary play)

• "Seven and a half was the worst line of the year... I genuinely thought this would be my biggest bet of the year would be for Tennessee." — Ryan (22:32)

• "You need to have your new coach in place the day after that Louisville game, because that transfer portal opens..." — Matt (19:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:01 – Show opens, Ryan talks about back pain and weekend football watching
• 02:56 – Weekend recap; basketball excitement vs. football disaster
• 05:40 – Stadium emptiness and atmosphere for the Tennessee game
• 06:45 – Who to trust with “inside info” about coaching changes
• 07:56, 08:54 – Matt’s odds on Stoops return; what could save the job
• 09:10–13:23 – Administrative considerations, potential for in-season firing
• 15:01–16:59 – Stoops’ demeanor, acceptance, and host empathy
• 22:32–23:14 – Discussing bad betting line, humor about betting against UK
• 24:48–35:08 – Callers: fan reactions, buyout debate, preferred next coaches
• 36:02–38:29 – Coaching carousel, urgency for new hire, offense discussion
• 45:02–45:32 – Debate on rooting for losses for change vs. supporting the team

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Tone and Style

• The show balances exasperation, loyalty, humor, and hard-nosed realism. Hosts give fans permission to grieve the likely end of the Stoops era while also poking fun at themselves and the team's bad fortunes. Frequent self-deprecation and gallows humor make the analysis relatable, especially for diehard UK fans.

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In Short

KSR’s first hour offers a raw, comprehensive look at Kentucky football’s crossroads, exploring not just the mechanics of a possible coaching change but the emotional reality of watching an era end. Practical questions about buyouts and portal timing intersect with empathy for Stoops, gallows humor over Tennessee’s blowout, and a desire to build again around a promising young core.

Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

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[Ryan Lemond]

Welcome everyone, Kentucky Sports Radio Monday, October 27th. I met Jones here on a nice day in Lexington, Kentucky. It is the best of times and worst of times and we will get to it on the Clark's Puppet Shop phone line, 859-280-2287. Avs Auto Glass Text Machine, 772-774-5254. In this edition, sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office, you call TJL, make them pay. Here's what I want to do. Last 30 minutes, the first hour, we're going to take calls, but until then, I just want to talk here with the fellows. So, Rick, we won't answer the phone for the first 30 minutes. Is that good?

[Drew Franklin]

Sounds good to me.

[Ryan Lemond]

All right. Shannon is out on vacation. I'm going to go ahead and warn you. I'm like in a decent amount of pain. The back still bothering you? Yeah, the back kind of blew on Friday during the I fit the, you know, I had a little bit of back pain before the remote and then I did the remote and then, you know, I'd already planned to go to Keeneland all day and being on my feet all day, when I got home, there it was. And all weekend I've been Mario was in here last night mocking me for looking. His exact words were, you look like an old granny. Which I think is mean to the grannies. But I am like, it's, this isn't as bad as when I went to the Preakness that one time and I did. But it's probably second to that and it stinks.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I know when you came in walking to the bar Saturday to the pregame show, you were walking all kind of stiff, stiff.

[Ryan Lemond]

Today's like that too. Today's better than it's been. But if I. I will just warn the call if I'm grumpy, just know I've been laying down all weekend trying to find a comfortable spot to sit. But it did allow me, Drew, to watch a lot of football the last couple of days. I, I got myself up to go to the bar, but otherwise have been kind of infirmed.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you watch football that you enjoyed or were there any games this weekend?

[Ryan Lemond]

Weekend. The NFL yesterday was terrible. And then of course, we're going to talk about the Kentucky game. So it is kind of the best of times, worst of times. Friday night has to get you excited. If you're a Kentucky fan, you have to come away from Friday night going, who wants some?

[Matt Jones]

Absolutely.

[Ryan Lemond]

Right. I mean, I could barely move and I was like ready to go outside and go, all right, one piece. And like the people who weren't even watching basketball were like, what's he talking?

[Drew Franklin]

I was the same way. I mean, I've kind of become robotic as a fan of this job because I just go, these games, they kind of run together. I woke up Saturday morning just smiling. The moment I woke up, I was so happy from watching that basketball team the night before.

[Ryan Lemond]

I watched it almost looking for weaknesses because my natural inclination was to. I wanted to go on the post game show and, and go, all right, everybody just calm down. But then I couldn't, I couldn't. I didn't really know what to mean. I guess you could say, okay, well, we're not, we're nine for 29 from three. I mean, I guess, but like, I don't know, man, I was really excited. And then take the opposite of that. And then that was the football game where, I don't know, I mean, it could have been wires, we could have scored six points, but it's, it's bad. So here's what I'm going to do, I think. First hour, I am going to talk football. And then Josh Hopkins is coming in here at 11. And I think part of the reason he wants to come in is he's so excited about basketball. So I feel like we do the football thing and then second hour, we're just gleeful. We go with that.

[Matt Jones]

Very good with that.

[Drew Franklin]

We don't want to bring our guest into a bad discussion about football.

[Ryan Lemond]

He wants to be celebrated. He wants to be excited. So let's do this. Let's. So let's do this. Football. This is not Joker Vandy because we scored, what do we end up scoring?

[Matt Jones]

34 points.

[Ryan Lemond]

34 points, yeah. And there was some hope with Cutter and some of the young receivers, but it felt like Tennessee could have scored 90 points. Is that fair?

[Matt Jones]

They could have scored every time they were on the field. I think they punted one time, which kind of blows my mind. But yeah, they could have run up to scoreboard more than 56 points.

[Drew Franklin]

Even at the end, they surrendered and slid and they could have. They could have run it up if they wanted to.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, they could.

[Drew Franklin]

70 was on the table.

[Ryan Lemond]

Oh, there was a lot of the game when we kept scoring, I was like, do you want them to score 70?

[Drew Franklin]

They were on pace.

[Ryan Lemond]

There's a papers like I was marked going, okay, let's run it up the middle a little bit. Do you want him to score 70? It was awful.

[Matt Jones]

It was awful.

[Ryan Lemond]

But I think more important than the specifics of the game was kind of how it played out specifically. And part of this was because it was raining, and part of this was because it was at night. But the fourth quarter was empty. Yeah, you were there. How empty are we talking?

[Drew Franklin]

Very empty, actually. Someone sent me a good picture yesterday. It's just unbelievable how the only people there are wearing orange. I mean, you might find a couple Kentucky fans sit it out. But it just became their stadium for the fourth quarter. It was bleachers and orange.

[Ryan Lemond]

And you can't hide that.

[Matt Jones]

Nope.

[Ryan Lemond]

I mean, you can't hide that. The players feel that. The coaches feel that. I mean, to whatever extent there was left, any. Okay, who's with us? Like, it's over at that point. At that point. Which. Yeah, I mean, that's an amazing picture. That's essentially. Show that to the camera. That's essentially all orange and going in.

[Matt Jones]

The fourth quarter, a lot of it emptied out. So you're. You've got a lot of football. You're playing in pretty much an nearly stadium.

[Ryan Lemond]

So then of course, online yesterday came the rumors that a change was going to be made. This is what I'm going to say to people. We went through this with the cow thing. There are only like six people you should be listening to.

[Caller]

To.

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm just gonna say, like, no offense to people online. Like, if there's like six people that'll know. And I'm not gonna sit here and say who they are, but you, you, you can guess. Yeah, well, I mean, I will say who they are. You can listen to people from ksr, especially the people that cover football or the folks on the show. You listen to Justin Roland, you can listen to Larry Vaught. If his attention's focused in the right place, you can listen John Hale. John Hale. Although he, probably because of his role, won't say a lot. He wouldn't be as Jeff Drummond for sure. And, you know, here's what's interesting about the anonymous sources. The anonymous sources that know are usually people that don't have much of a following. Right. So I've learned on the text machine, who's right is always like random numbers. And I can tell whether they're right kind of by how they word it, you know, so. But the more confident people are online, they're probably not. So there was this like, oh, it could happen right now. It did not. Here's where we are for the future. I know this for. There's rarely. I say certainty. I'll say some certainty. I'd say we're now at 85 to 90% chance we'll have a new coach next year. You asked me that two weeks ago before the Texas game. That number would have been like 50, 55. It's. It's 85%. The only way it could be different is if, in my opinion, is if they were to win three. Like if they were to go six and six, which would mean beating Auburn, Florida and then either Vandy or Louisville. Right. Does anyone on this show disagree with that?

[Matt Jones]

No. If any, six.

[Ryan Lemond]

Do you now think five and seven also means a change? Because I do.

[Drew Franklin]

I do.

[Matt Jones]

I guess I'd have to see who they beat to get those five wins.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't think the games left on the schedule that impressive outside of Andy.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah. See, I think. I think there was a time 5 and 7 would have made it close. I don't think it does anymore. Auburn doesn't have a coach or, excuse me, Florida doesn't have a coach. Auburn just got their first win, barely got a coach. I mean, Vanity and Louisville, you get one of those. That'd be nice. But I don't think it changes anything unless you beat Auburn and Florida. So I think there's a decent chance we come. We. I do the postgame show Saturday night and we know there will be a change. I think it's unlikely that there's a change made here in the middle of the year, like, but for the first time, I don't think it's impossible. I think if they lost to Auburn in Florida and one of those was embarrassing, it could happen. It could happen. I think it's unlikely. It's not really Mitch's style. No, but I don't know that he wants an empty stadium for that Tennessee Tech game. I think that Tennessee Tech game has a chance to be really embarrassing to the program in a lot of ways and they know that. So I think what happens with Auburn Florida matters. But I. Here's what I posted something last night on the KSR plus and people got. I think they took it sort of the wrong way. Our administration's tone deaf. I think the administration has said let's wait a week and let's see what happens at Auburn. Not that like Auburn could save his job, but Auburn could be the final nail. Ryan, that's how I look at it. Do you agree?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. They go on the road, they get embarrassed, don't play well. I think that would maybe be the final nail on the call.

[Ryan Lemond]

And at which point then I think they would be completely open to having the discussion of all right, how do we end this? And starting to have that discussion with Stoops as people.

[Drew Franklin]

And depending what happens this weekend, you could still be a favorite against Florida home because they're in a bad spot too. I think they play Georgia. I think it's this, this coming Saturday regardless if you don't win that one that, I mean if you even get to that point, depending what happens this weekend, I, I just don't think that win, that's a win you should have. Like, that's not something that could save you or change the circumstances. So that's almost a throwaway game for me. It can only make it worse for you if you lose it.

[Ryan Lemond]

And the reason it's not like, well, it's out right now. Is there still. I think the people believe around the program there's still a way to win six games. Now we can all think that's ridiculous, but when you're in that locker room and you're playing, you can't think it's over.

[Matt Jones]

No.

[Ryan Lemond]

You still got five games to play. And I think they look at it and say, is it insane that we could beat Auburn, Florida and one of Vandy and Louisville? Well, I mean, I guess it's not insane. Right.

[Matt Jones]

It's got a small percentage chance you could pull that off, I guess.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, my season prediction, game by game, we're still right on it. And I had them winning out to make a bowl, so that's actually what I thought would happen before the year began. And now the opportunity is right in front of him, even though I do not have the optimism in that.

[Ryan Lemond]

Right. Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen. But I also think you have to like, you can't just look at your team and be like this isn't going to happen. So when we come in Saturday night, you could hear me on the post game show, kind of switch the gear to there's going to be a change. Well, here's what I think has changed. Nobody around UK football believes this can continue at this pace.

[Matt Jones]

Even the head coach, the Hank is his word.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think the head coach thinks it anymore either.

[Matt Jones]

I agree. A couple of things he said after the last couple, especially after the game Saturday night.

[Ryan Lemond]

So a lot of our conversation over the year has been well, can they pay it? I think we're getting to the point that it's like it's going to have to be done. So just the question is only method, right.

[Matt Jones]

Do all these other schools getting rid of their coaches early think put a little more pressure on Mitch to make a move earlier than he wants?

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think it changes the final decision. It might make them have to announce something early.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

So I look at it like this. If they're going to make an in season change, it'll happen after the Florida game. If they don't do it after Florida, it'll. He'll be here till the end of the year. That's kind of how I see it. Yeah, I would be very surprised if there's an in season change, but I don't think it's impossible for the first time. I don't think it's impossible. And I think part of it is a little bit these other teams.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

I think, I mean three SEC teams have let their coach go mid year.

[Matt Jones]

Three and maybe Auburn, maybe another one coming before the season.

[Ryan Lemond]

We win Saturday, it'll be four. Think about that. If we win Saturday, Hugh Freeze will be gone the next week too. So there you go.

[Drew Franklin]

And on your scenario of losing the next two and then that Tennessee Tech game, I think about we're doing it now. Think of how many times we bring up that Joker game, the Vandy game.

[Ryan Lemond]

That'll be the job.

[Drew Franklin]

I think if these next two are ugly, don't even put them in that position because we all have that Image.

[Ryan Lemond]

That'S, that's 15 years later. You cannot have a moment that Tennessee Tech. This is part of the reason you should never play these games late in the year. But that's a noon game against Tennessee Tech where fans might want to say something. You can't let that happen. Right.

[Matt Jones]

And by the way, it also could.

[Ryan Lemond]

Ruin a relationship that honestly shouldn't ruin like that.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, that's why if the next two are ugly, almost just get.

[Ryan Lemond]

I think I almost have to do it. And I think they know your search, by the way. I think they know that. I didn't think they knew it till yesterday. I now think they know that. So I think Mark Stoops is coaching right now just to finish the season, but also now, let me say, if they win six, I think he will keep this job if he wants it.

[Matt Jones]

It'd be a hell of a coaching job. He ends up winning six games this season.

[Ryan Lemond]

But I think I used to say, well, five will make it hard. Five's not going to do it. It's got to be six. And everybody can see what it would take to get to 6.

[Matt Jones]

Like I said is he said some things after the game Saturday night that almost like, leads me to believe, okay, he's. He understands what's happening and he accepts the fact that he's going to be. Not going to be here next year.

[Ryan Lemond]

He understands.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

He knows. He feels this fan base, it's one of his strengths, in my opinion. He feels this fan.

[Matt Jones]

I agree with you.

[Ryan Lemond]

And he knows what we think. And I'll say this, it breaks his heart. I was talking to. There's one media member that I. I wouldn't say Mark and I are close. I know him decently well, but, like, I haven't talked to him since July. But there's one media member that knows him, I think really well, certainly better than I do. And I talked to him this weekend after the game Saturday, and they said to me, and I agree with this, it's really kind. It kind of breaks my heart, which, don't get me wrong, I don't feel sorry for Mark Stoops. He's going to make a lot of money and he's going to be fine. But you know what? When people are sad, they're sad. Like, my weakness in life is also a strength, which is I'm, like, insanely empathetic to people, even people who are mean to me. Mark's not been mean to me, but just in general. And I feel bad for him because I know this is like breaking his heart.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. This is his baby, his first head.

[Ryan Lemond]

Coaching job, and he knows how the fans feel. Yeah. And I want you to imagine you spend your whole life doing something and you want to please a certain group of people, and then it's over. That's what this is. And so. But I think it's going to happen unless we win three games against good teams. And I think that's unlikely. And I think it could be the final resting place Saturday at Auburn. One of those coaches ain't coming out of the Auburn game last Wednesday. 859-280-2287 we'll do one more segment about this. I want to hear from these guys. I talked a lot on that one and then we'll take your calls after that. It's ksr.

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[Ryan Lemond]

It is Kentucky Sports Radio. Couple questions on text Machine. One person says, matt, why don't you just call Stoops and ask him yourself? Yeah, but I don't know how you do it. Like I've thought about calling him, but what am I going to say? Like what would you say?

[Matt Jones]

Hey man, you go talk to him as a friend or as a member.

[Ryan Lemond]

Of the media, you know, I wouldn't know. I mean so like we're not like let's say Ryan was the coach and this was happening. I would call Ryan and be like hey man, how you doing? Yeah, like we're not that close. And then there's also the thing. Let's say he tells me I'm going to leave at the end of the year. What am I supposed to not say that? I guess I couldn't. But then that Makes it. That's weird, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

So there's just nothing you can say? Like, I was friends with Vince. I could talk to Vince about this stuff, but, like, this is different.

[Matt Jones]

It is different.

[Caller]

Call him.

[Drew Franklin]

Give him some advice. He'll appreciate that.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think. He doesn't even have considered doing this. He doesn't, but you can tell he knows Ryan.

[Matt Jones]

That's it. That's what I said with the comments he made after the game Saturday. He knows what's going on. And the thing is about the coaching search, if you're going to make a move, you need to have your new coach in place the day after that Louisville game, because that transfer portal opens, what, January 1, January 2, the whole month of December. You're going to lose some guys. You got to go get some guys. You got to have your coach in place. As I feel like as soon as.

[Ryan Lemond]

This season's over, I do, too. Which is why they'll start. All right. So one person asked Matt, what do you think about announcing he'll be gone at the end of the year and then letting him coach out? That's a possibility, but, like, Stoops has to agree to that. And that's kind of an embarrassing situation for a coach.

[Drew Franklin]

You don't see that much.

[Ryan Lemond]

You don't see it much because.

[Drew Franklin]

Not the coach. K retirement.

[Ryan Lemond]

It's embarrassing for a coach. I'm going to be fired at the end of this year because then. But I'm going to coach three more games.

[Drew Franklin]

And in those games, they zoom in on you on the broadcast and talk about how you're a dead man walking and he ain't.

[Ryan Lemond]

It's not like he's going into the retirement home. Like, he could still do the job.

[Matt Jones]

CM Newton did that with Bill Curry, let him go in the middle of the season and that Curry just stayed on the rest of the year.

[Ryan Lemond]

But he never coached again, did he.

[Matt Jones]

After he left Kentucky? Yeah, he went to, like, Georgia State or something like that. And so the UK players took the K logo off the side of their helmet. That is like a sign of support for their coach. So now you got the players supporting your coach. Really? Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

I didn't know that.

[Matt Jones]

It took the K logo off one. One side of their helmet, but I.

[Ryan Lemond]

Don'T think that's good. I mean, it was good for Bill Curry and his players, but I don't know that that's a good statement program.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, correct.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, I don't think you can do that. Although, I mean, that might salvage the Tennessee Tech game. The problem with Tennessee Tech game is the symb. It really is because it's such a.

[Matt Jones]

Bad game and they're undefeated. They're hating.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm not going to say it because they're.

[Ryan Lemond]

Well, let's not even think about it.

[Drew Franklin]

They are lighting up scoreboards everywhere.

[Ryan Lemond]

I know. Because here's. Here's the odd thing. I do think we're better than we were last year.

[Matt Jones]

Offensively, we are. Where's that offense been? That offense is getting better. Every weekend that you score 34 points, you're going to. You could win a lot of games.

[Ryan Lemond]

Bush, Hamden, underrated.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I mean, this secondary is kind of the same people. So.

[Ryan Lemond]

Okay, so he made a statement Saturday that it was classic Mark Stoops. I'm going to tell you what's wrong, but I don't want to be accused to say it. He basically was like, there comes a point, there's nothing we could do. And he was talking about the secondary. He was basically like. He was all but saying, ryan, like, I know these guys aren't good. What do you want me to do?

[Drew Franklin]

I can't go out and get more.

[Ryan Lemond]

Okay. Did you kind of get that sense from that statement?

[Matt Jones]

Yep. And we saw. We all watched the game. Every long pass went for 70, 80 yards and a touchdown.

[Ryan Lemond]

I never seen it. They've done that to us before, though.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

Remember a few years back they did that too, where it was just like. They just went deep. It felt like the whole game was. Was backyard football. Go deep.

[Drew Franklin]

Hypo loves playing Kentucky.

[Ryan Lemond]

He asked it.

[Drew Franklin]

He's five and, oh, I think they've covered in most games. They just do whatever they want with that. Kentucky plays defense.

[Ryan Lemond]

Now that it's over, can we say -7 and a half was the worst line of the year? I mean, I don't bet against Kentucky. I genuinely thought this would be my biggest bet of the year would be for Tennessee. I couldn't believe it was seven and a half.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I did bet against Kentucky. I agree.

[Ryan Lemond]

I think that's shameful.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, when it was seven and a half, at some point you got to go. All right, well, this is just obvious.

[Ryan Lemond]

I mean, I mean, I don't Shame.

[Drew Franklin]

Shame, shame that blood money spins the.

[Ryan Lemond]

Same like, yes, that is blood money.

[Drew Franklin]

It was actually my biggest diamond hunter.

[Matt Jones]

But, you know, it was a one touchdown game with a minute 30 left till halftime.

[Ryan Lemond]

I got back in the second quarter. He gives up a touchdown again.

[Drew Franklin]

Yep, that one. There was a minute 36. They had to go 75 yards Stadium.

[Ryan Lemond]

Knew they were going to score. Did anyone watching the game not know they were going to score?

[Drew Franklin]

They had one timeout in the press box. Stephen. Xme goes, they're going to score, aren't they? I was like, you know what? With one time out, this might be the one time they don't.

[Ryan Lemond]

Nope.

[Drew Franklin]

Minute and a half.

[Ryan Lemond]

I knew they were going to score.

[Matt Jones]

Somebody needs to look up how many points Kentucky's given up in the final two minutes of the first half.

[Ryan Lemond]

I would be interested. Our plus minus in the last two minutes of the first half of the Stoops era, it has to be minus 690.

[Matt Jones]

And that was so bad because we got the ball to start the second half.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yes. If you hold them there, you have a chance to tie the game to start the second half. Yes, you do.

[Matt Jones]

Which was crazy. We felt like you were getting the snot beat out of us up to that point. We're in the game.

[Drew Franklin]

A lot of people left at halftime because of that. I remember thinking It's a 14 point game. But then it hit me. Well, they just watched yet another end of half.

[Ryan Lemond]

It was kind of a miserable day. I mean, fans, it felt like everybody was going to their death march.

[Matt Jones]

We wore black, yet they didn't tell.

[Ryan Lemond]

The student, didn't tell the fans and the students. We had a blackout where no one wore black except the players. So. All right, where are you as a fan base? I'm going to do. Here's the thing. 30 second calls. Rick, we have to enforce this. Okay, okay, 30 second. Mark Stoops takes 859-280-2287. Phone lines are open. I've told you what I think. What do you think? We'll be right back. This is KSR.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back.

[Ryan Lemond]

Tech Esports Radio. 859-280-2287. One person writes, Matt, why in the world would Mark Stoops walk away from all that money? People are crazy to think he'll do it. I don't think that's a ridiculous position, Drew. But he also is miserable. And so, you know, is he going to walk away from 39 million or $38 million? No. But there is a world where he says, okay, maybe I'll. You can pay me over seven years, but you have to pay me 40 or you pay me right now and it's 28 and we all agree. Or maybe, you know, they're just hard negotiators and they pay him 37.6.

[Drew Franklin]

And if you're in his shoes, yes, that's A lot of money that you could sit here and take the misery if you wanted, or you could have a little less money with the millions you already have. And, you know, he's got young kids going through high school and college, or he's got a beach house. You could go live a very happy life with just a few less million than what you would get.

[Ryan Lemond]

And he'll get a job somewhere else. Might not be an SEC level job, but there would be a job.

[Drew Franklin]

He'll be an analyst for Kirby immediately.

[Matt Jones]

Coaches want to coach, man. You know, so if he sits out, it takes the big money sits out of here. He'll get back in the coaching world, definitely.

[Ryan Lemond]

All right, so let's go through here. I'm going to give everybody 20 to 30 seconds, all right? Because I want to hear what you think. But also, we can't go on a. So don't worry. We're all good. You don't have to ask how we are. Just let it roll, David. Go.

[Caller]

Hey, you guys on?

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm on. When I say your name, you're on.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt.

[Matt Jones]

We're off to a great start.

[Caller]

Sadness at the end of an era. And we can't be mad at Mark Stoops because he's too good of a guy. At least if it was Brian Kelly, we could hate him. And then, you know, us longtime football fans, it's like at least we could say we were better than Indiana. You know what I mean? And the Indiana being so good, it's salt in the wounds. And that's my piece.

[Ryan Lemond]

I appreciate it, David. I do think that Ryan, the Indiana Vandy thing is a part of this. I really do. I think it's like. It's like thrown right in our face that you can do it.

[Matt Jones]

And it's happening right when we're struggling. Those two teams have stepped up to another level. So we do. Even myself, I think, why can't we do that? Why can't that be us?

[Ryan Lemond]

Louisville success has never bothered me because they play in a different. Different conference. But Indiana and Vandy doing it in the SEC and Big Ten is frustrating.

[Drew Franklin]

Yep. And you can zoom out. I saw the new. It's like whatever graphic with the playoff projections. It proves so quickly that it opened doors for new teams. You got Georgia Tech in there. BYU has always been kind of steady, but they're up near the top 10 now. It's just completely different logos in the top 25 than what we were used to seeing for so long.

[Ryan Lemond]

Joe and Philly go.

[Caller]

I'm not paying Stoops 37 to walk away. I'm telling him he has 10 million to work with. Put the rest into basketball. Drew Franklin, your partner just called you Shameless. I say you recreate those two famous MEMs. Go to the bank at 300 ones, put them to your phone and put them up to your ear and just tweet out Shameless with you dancing, because that's easy money, baby.

[Ryan Lemond]

Appreciate the call. Mems, man. Memphis. I mean, I get it. What's funny is, though, you can get away with it. Like, if I came out and said I bet on Tennessee, I would get destroyed online. But Drew, he gets away with, I got bills, man.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know what you want from me. I can't. I don't normally do that. I've probably done that three times in 10 years, but it was so low, I thought. I have. I have groceries this week. I have to take this.

[Ryan Lemond]

I understand. I mean, I would have. I thought that was maybe the most ridiculous spread of the year I've seen on any game.

[Drew Franklin]

I thought It'd be around 14 and a half.

[Ryan Lemond]

Just for the record, on the KSR parlay, my picks are now like 7 and 1.

[Drew Franklin]

Hang on now. I got the best record by far.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think I've lost.

[Drew Franklin]

You have. I was the only undefeated one going into this week, and I went one and one.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's false. That's a lot. First of all, I did miss two weeks, but I don't think I've missed one. Now we know Shannon and Ryan and now Rick. Everybody ruins it, but I don't think I've lost one.

[Drew Franklin]

I went one and one this week. I let us down with Arkansas. I apologize, guys. That's for me, putting money behind Bobby Petrino, but.

[Ryan Lemond]

David, go ahead. 30 seconds.

[Caller]

First off, wanted to say Ryan did a great job on Saturday with a tough show.

[Ryan Lemond]

I agree. I listened to like 30 minutes of it while trying to find a position that I wasn't in. Misery. And I thought he did a really good job.

[Caller]

But, yeah, I mean, keep it up. You guys are all great, but, you know, unfortunately, I think six wins is out of the question. So, gun to your head, what do you think is more likely, two wins or five wins?

[Ryan Lemond]

Appreciate the call. Oh, boy. Say it.

[Caller]

Five.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, because we're not losing Tennessee Tech. But. But. So 5. But I don't think. I think the most likely scenario is four. I think we beat. I think we either beat Auburn or Florida. We lose the other one. Tennessee Tech is a miserable experience internally. They will have Decided to move on. But they can't say it externally and fans will think they need to make a statement and it will be miserable and then Tennessee and Vandy will be sad. That's kind of where I think we are.

[Matt Jones]

And just me, I can see us getting embarrassed at Auburn, embarrassed at Vanderbilt. But when in those two games you're talking about Florida and Tennessee Tech then going into the.

[Ryan Lemond]

Also note, if you were to beat Auburn and Florida, you could then have a three game winning streak going into Vandy.

[Drew Franklin]

I think they have Texas, Auburn, they win those two, you're looking at a top five Vandy team. On his senior day in Nashville, you'll be walking into a hornet's nest. And I can't believe I'm saying that about Vanderbilt football.

[Ryan Lemond]

Turned on that guy yet? Who, Diego?

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, I don't. I've never really. I think he can be a little over the top with his antics, but I love watching him. I wasn't able to watch a lot this last Saturday, but I watched the whole LSU game a couple weeks ago and he's just so much fun. I mean, he was doing whatever he wanted. I kind of like the arrogance when you're wearing the Vandy logo on your helmet, you're playing lsu. I'll admit I enjoy watching him.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, he's. He's fun. I don't think there's any doubt. Who's next. Jacob is up next. Jacob, 30 seconds go.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt, friends of ours are going down with me to the, to the Auburn game. We're taking the paper sacks just in case we end up getting blown out.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, they had, they were out Saturday. There were a few of them out Saturday. Go ahead.

[Caller]

Yeah. Hated to see that LSU let go of Brian Kelly just because that's another school. We could lose Summer all too, and that's all I got.

[Ryan Lemond]

Appreciate it. LSU is going to be the best job available. LSU is going to get the best coach available. If they hire John Summerall, that tells you what we could have had. I don't think they will though. They're going to get. I mean, LSU will be the best job. Florida and Penn State are good jobs. LSU might be the best job in the country. Every coach of the last four has won a national title except Brian Kelly. So where do they go?

[Matt Jones]

Who do they go after?

[Ryan Lemond]

Lane Kiffin. That's where he's going.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Lane.

[Drew Franklin]

Kevin's got five jobs right now.

[Ryan Lemond]

He's getting. That's the one he's.

[Drew Franklin]

That is. That is number one.

[Ryan Lemond]

Florida would been Lane Kiffin's. A coach at LS and he'll kill it.

[Drew Franklin]

Would Kentucky fans be upset if Kentucky beat Auburn? They immediately fired Hugh Freeze and then they ended up with Summer all because they had an opening.

[Ryan Lemond]

That will be the one that will hurt. But I don't think Summer I was not going to leave while he's still coaching the team. So this is why you have to make the internal decision to do it. Because you could get the Summer all thing worked out behind the scenes because you already have this connection.

[Matt Jones]

Correct.

[Ryan Lemond]

And you could get it set. But you have to make the decision to do it. And I don't think they've made that decision yet and I don't think they will until we lose to Auburn or Florida. And the worst scenario possible would be beat Auburn or Florida, lose the other one. Kind of know you're going to do it, but not sure. Have a miserable thing against Tennessee Tech going to Vandy and Louisville like, well, if we win both of these and then like it's gone get smoked, that'd be the worst scenario. But that is a scenario to be quite frank with you, that I think is most likely. Dennis. Go ahead, Dennis.

[Caller]

Yeah. John Simrall will side or Dan Muller. Which one gives us the best chance to keep him? Curtis Bowley and these young receivers?

[Ryan Lemond]

No clue. Appreciate the call. I would think all. All those. All the guys on the team would consider staying if you got the right coach. Why wouldn't you?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

No matter Stein. If you're talking about the offense, those.

[Matt Jones]

Guys, no matter who the coach is, your number one priority I think is to keep Cutter Bowley here.

[Ryan Lemond]

And as good as those receivers are, there are lots of good receivers. Cutters the main one. But you also would say, I mean Will Stein might have a dude that's.

[Matt Jones]

Backup guy at Oregon.

[Ryan Lemond]

Maybe he bring some with him real quick. Do the. You get to pick the coach. Ryan Lemon is the ad. Drew Franklin's the ad. Matt Jones is the ad. Give them in the order of higher Ryan limit.

[Matt Jones]

I still go John Summerall 1. Will Stein to somebody we hadn't even talked about. Probably three.

[Ryan Lemond]

Somebody off the radar.

[Matt Jones]

Yep.

[Ryan Lemond]

All right. Drew.

[Drew Franklin]

That's mine too. Although Stein. That gap between Summer and Stein keeps getting tighter and tighter just with the offensive pieces. And if you're able to keep the core of the offense right now with Stein, that sounds like a lot of fun for the next couple of years.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, I'm flipping them.

[Matt Jones]

Are you really?

[Ryan Lemond]

Stein 1. Let's have some fun. I've watched 13 years of Iowa football. Give me somebody who's going to like blow me away with play calls.

[Matt Jones]

Zippity do.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't, I wouldn't say that. But, but, but like and then some are all second and then third. I I agree with you, Ryan. Somebody I don't even know.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, well, when we're doing the Mark Stoop search, his name did not come up like that final day. I remember we were saying at the at show in Louisville at a subway and you like, you brought up Mark Soup. Like who in the world is Mark?

[Ryan Lemond]

Somebody reminded me that Will Stein's dad has come to a couple of our remotes.

[Matt Jones]

Really?

[Ryan Lemond]

So I'm gonna like go through the archives and see if I can contact him. Go.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, yeah, you know and he played here, right?

[Ryan Lemond]

Who are.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes, people were telling me Will Stein was real close to being a cat instead of a card out of high school and that it kind of I even fumbled on UK's end. But he wanted to be a cat all along.

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[Ryan Lemond]

Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio 859-280-2287 Text Machine 772-774-52541 Person writes Matt, is there another coach besides Summer all and Stein that would make you excited that we just don't know about? I'm sure there is Drew. We just don't know about him. It's kind of the point I was trying to make like six weeks ago with you, but I did awkwardly when you brought up Stein as I was like, why are we so excited about Stein? There are other guys like him. Probably should have said that differently, which is there are other guys as exciting as him. We may just not know who they are. We'll find that out during the process. Probably.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. With so many job openings, there are guys that are going to move and other jobs are going to open. This carousel is going to bring names, the wide list of candidates. But I'll say right now if it's even though there are other options, if it's not some Raw or Stein at this moment on October 27th, I'll be pretty disappointed. I don't want to have to settle even if it might work out. I'm very high on both of those guys and want them.

[Ryan Lemond]

One person writes Matt, I thought it was bad of you to skip the post game show after Tennessee. Isn't this a cow like performance? Calling in on the shows, phoning in on the shows when the team does badly? No, because I don't work for the state. But secondly, when we took the COVID Zero, I think it's important for people to know when we took the COVID Zero podcast as part of my deal with iHeart, I did say to them, look, on some of these weekends I'm gonna have to like skip shows. So for instance, this weekend we had a show in the morning. Friday we had a pregame basketball show, a post game basketball show, pregame Saturday, post game Saturday, NFL ESPN Sunday morning. And then n last night we finished at 1am and I said if you want me to do this NFL show, I have to take some of them off. And we agreed that a couple of the pregame basketballs And a couple of the post game footballs I would take off. So that's why it is like it is. And to me, I love people, but I'm not going to apologize for not doing seven shows on the weekend. Also, when I can't sit up straight right. Because of my back. I didn't know that was going to be happening.

[Matt Jones]

But, you know, I was saying, man, give it. Give the guy some slack, you know, this decision was made weeks ago to schedule me doing a postgame. Drew's doing the postgame Thursday. We were. This is already scheduled.

[Ryan Lemond]

Well, it was also. It was also a timing issue. I knew that post game show would end at like 2am Yeah. I have ESPN the next morning. And then I knew we'd be up to 1am doing the NFL on Sunday night and then doing this on Monday. And I was like, I've got to take one of these off. I can't take the NFL one off. So we chose that post game.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

And I thought. Honestly, I thought you and Billy did a great job.

[Matt Jones]

I appreciate it.

[Ryan Lemond]

Josh Hopkins.

[Drew Franklin]

Is Shannon taking off for.

[Ryan Lemond]

Shannon's taking off for back issues, too. Okay.

[Drew Franklin]

He's taking off for me.

[Ryan Lemond]

Josh, how are you?

[Drew Franklin]

I'm great.

[Ryan Lemond]

Get up here next to the microphone. Happy to be here, fellas. Were you at the football game Saturday? I was not. Okay. I watched. I have a parent have to hang up. I just wanted to say hi to Josh. We're going to get to him more on the next one. I just wanted to. To say hi to him. I just want to say one thing about football. Okay. In my lifetime, and I'm old, the team's never been as good as they were under stoops. I understand the time has come, but.

[Drew Franklin]

I'll always hold a special place for him.

[Ryan Lemond]

I also. Is this how you break up with women? Yes, I get broken up with. Okay. The team. These kids have not given up. They haven't. They fight hard. You can tell. And I think that needs to be said and noticed because I see them, they're fighting hard still. So I have a. I have a place in my heart for these kids because they are fighting and they're proud and I really like this group. All right, I totally agree with all that. Let me. I want to get. Take a couple of these calls and then talk to you at 11. Miller. Go ahead, Miller.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, why don't we just take the jersey sales from Malachi Moreno and Jasper Johnson to fund the buyout? I will sign at a cut rate. Then when he leaves us for A premier program after a couple of successful seasons. Hire John Summerall. When he gets fired from his premier job for going for being mediocre. Problem solved.

[Ryan Lemond]

Appreciate the call. There are going to be a lot of jersey sales after Malachi Marina. I mean, we're going to wait for the second hour, but I think that is true. Let's go to Mark. Go ahead, Mark.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. One thing Stoops is like, he was just talking about. Stoops has done a lot of great things for this football program, but it is time to move on and it's just not performing at the level that everybody else is twice as quick. I think you got to let him go now. You're paying the 9 million, 8 million, whatever we owe him for a salary. But you've got to let him go now and start working on that because.

[Ryan Lemond]

Well, what if you're not. What if you're having those conversations even if you're not publicly letting him go? I mean, I. I understand what you're saying, but letting him go in the middle of the season, that's. I mean, I don't think. Has Mitch ever let a coach go in the middle of the season that you know of?

[Matt Jones]

I don't think so. Well, but was Joker let go before that last game?

[Ryan Lemond]

Before the last game?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

No. Was he not. Did we not announce that?

[Caller]

You not gonna have what point? I have nobody at the stadium for Florida and. Or Tennessee.

[Ryan Lemond]

I think you're gonna have people for Florida. Appreciate the call because it's Florida. But I think you have a real worry, Ryan, of having no one at the stadium for the Tennessee Tech game.

[Matt Jones]

Especially they lose both to Auburn and Florida.

[Ryan Lemond]

There.

[Matt Jones]

There may be 10 people at the Tennessee Tech game.

[Ryan Lemond]

Gets Tennessee Tech in November. You could have nobody.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, we find out the Florida game time today. I think that could also be a statement game. Put that at noon. And let Florida get killed this weekend because Florida does not look like a team.

[Ryan Lemond]

But then maybe if they got killed, we think we could win.

[Drew Franklin]

Who's we? You got a mouse in your pocket?

[Ryan Lemond]

I think Kentucky could win. You don't think Kentucky could be Florida?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, it's more of the excitement.

[Ryan Lemond]

Sure.

[Drew Franklin]

No, they could definitely win, but it's. Am I going to go tailgate to watch a Florida team without a coach? That's not good.

[Ryan Lemond]

Like, whether they're good's not going to matter. I actually want them to not be good because I want us to have a chance to win the game.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. That's one of our few winnable games. We have Left.

[Drew Franklin]

No, I think you could be a favorite. I just mean I don't. I think the fans could sit that one out because it's not that exciting. If you were to not have a.

[Ryan Lemond]

Big weekend against Amy McGrath writes me one more text message asking for money.

[Matt Jones]

You know, she was a fighter pilot.

[Ryan Lemond]

Why did they stop?

[Drew Franklin]

It's a lot of combat missions, soccer goalie.

[Ryan Lemond]

They should take me off the list in principle. You got me kicked off my television show. I'm not going to give you money.

[Drew Franklin]

Do you ever reply? It's probably just some teenager on the other end. Yeah, but like, do you know who this is?

[Ryan Lemond]

Somebody should have some understanding. Let's go to Jeff. Go ahead, Jeff.

[Caller]

I don't think that Barnhart can give stupid chance to make a ball game because it's auto renewing contract.

[Ryan Lemond]

No, it's not. They changed that, by the way. So that, that got changed in the last revision last year. So it doesn't auto renew anymore. So that does make. That does make a difference, actually. But it does not auto renew anymore.

[Matt Jones]

That would be the case. Yeah. We get six wins. Make a bowl game. You get add another year to that.

[Ryan Lemond]

What do you think of fans who take the view? I don't want us to make a bowl game because I want to change no matter what. And there are a lot of those people.

[Matt Jones]

There are a lot of those. And I don't like those people.

[Ryan Lemond]

I mean, we're here to humans.

[Matt Jones]

We're here to win games. We're here if. We're here to get to a bowl game. If he somehow pulls this off, that's a great coaching job. The man pulled off to get a six wins this season.

[Drew Franklin]

I won't go that far, but I will say I can't join the crowd that's actively rooting against them. Like Josh said, Cutter Bowley's out there doing everything he can. I mean, I can't root against the players just for the circumstance.

[Ryan Lemond]

You can't root it.

[Drew Franklin]

We don't get the number one tick if you tank.

[Ryan Lemond]

All right. We're talking basketball because it's exciting. Yes. And we did well and we're the best team in the country. And we'll talk about it next here on KSI.