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Shannon
This is Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.
Matt Jones
Welcome everyone. Kentucky Sports Radio Monday, November 3rd. I met Jones on a beautiful day. A little chilly on a Monday morning. This is a huge sports just day. So much to talk about. As a matter of fact, we've closed the Clark's Pump and Shop phone line so I'll open it later on. But we got too much to talk about to take phone calls.
Ryan Lemond
Lot has happened since we were last.
Matt Jones
Has happened and a lot to get into, including some stories. The weekend Avision auto glass text machine, however, is open. 772-774-5254. In this edition, sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. If you call TJ, I'll make them pay. Here are the kind of things we have to get to. First of all, I went to the best football game I've ever been to ever. And I was there. It'll be the best game in the NFL this year. And Shannon, I was stanced on this. Well, not on the sidelines in the stands.
Shannon
I'm glad you could be there to see the Bears actually win a game.
Matt Jones
That was first time I've ever seen the Bears win. They were owing seven when I attended and they almost went oh and eight. But they won. The UK Volleyball team won a huge game. Yeah, UK basketball starts tomorrow. Middlesboro beat Sare.
Ryan Lemond
That's the lead story.
Matt Jones
The World Series was maybe the best game seven ever. So all of that's happening. It's magnet day for the women's basketball team. But we have to start probably with football. And college basketball starts today.
Ryan Lemond
Yes, it Does.
Matt Jones
There's a game going on right now.
Drew Franklin
Already started.
Matt Jones
Queens versus Winthrop.
Shannon
Great game. Right now with a minute to go.
Matt Jones
Minute to go. Queens and Winthrop started at 8:00am this morning.
Shannon
75, 74.
Matt Jones
Winthrop.
Ryan Lemond
Well, let's turn it on.
Matt Jones
No, we're doing a show and you can't. You can't pay attention without it on. So we're not going to put it on. But we have to start with UK football, who got a SEC victory. How about that? It had been over a year and they won on the planes as they beat Auburn 10 to 3 in a game that they will not sell as what we hope the sport will be forever. As a matter of fact, it was a slug fest except one really good drive coming out of halftime for Kentucky gets the win. We've always talked about how Mark Stoops makes great adjustments at halftime. Drew.
Ryan Lemond
Really? I don't know.
Matt Jones
We said that we have. And they get a drive score, and then that ends up being the difference in the game. Hugh Freeze gets fired on Sunday. He found out he was fired. They canceled his tee time at the Auburn golf course.
Ryan Lemond
Did they really?
Matt Jones
Yeah, he had a. He had a tee time and they went. Your services will no longer be needed here. And now Kentucky gets the win. They are three and five. And there, there is a sliver. I grant you, it's a sliver. But Ryan, there's a sliver of hope going forward as we get Florida on Saturday.
Ryan Lemond
That's why I felt like that guy that called in one of them.
Matt Jones
He made you mad, didn't.
Ryan Lemond
Yes.
Matt Jones
Eat it.
Ryan Lemond
You know, you're a fan of the team re form to win. I hope they win out. I don't think they will. But still, as a fan, I hope they do. And if Mark stops does that, he deserves to be our coach.
Matt Jones
So you. You were very mad. People didn't hear on the pregame show there was a guy that called and said he wanted us to lose.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
And it really got in your crawl. It's one of the most crawl getting things I've seen in a while.
Ryan Lemond
I just can't believe there are people out and when. There were a lot of people online after that that like actively rooted for us to lose because they, they want Mark Stoops to be gone. Okay, he may be gone, but you got to root for your team to win. I just don't get it. I don't get that.
Matt Jones
Let me give you something, by the way, to give you a deep breath.
Ryan Lemond
All right.
Matt Jones
You know I have to go to espn.
Ryan Lemond
Yes.
Matt Jones
This Weekend or this week. So I'm going to let you do your eating alone next week.
Ryan Lemond
Okay.
Matt Jones
You get one week off.
Ryan Lemond
Gotcha.
Matt Jones
Because I want to be in town when you're doing it.
Ryan Lemond
Be in town to watch me suffer.
Matt Jones
I'm going to sit afar and not speak to you and just watch you.
Ryan Lemond
I'll wave at you. Hey, Ma.
Matt Jones
So we're going to have to do that next week because I'm not going to be here to be able to enforce it. All right. Just so you know.
Ryan Lemond
All right.
Matt Jones
Yeah. I don't. I don't agree with the. Drew, you wanted us to lose. I've had some people write me that were angry. They're saying I'm trying to police people how to fan, which I don't try to do. But I am on this. You have to. I have a couple of rules for Phantom. You got to root for your team to win.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Drew Franklin
Wanting them to lose is not a good look if you're a supporter of the team. I. I have not felt like the Stoops era has gone well. Like many people, I feel like it is over. But that game, I was so happy for them. And I think Stoops in the post game where he got a little emotional, that kind of tells me what it's like behind the scenes, too, because he kept talking about what the guys have gone through and the pride he has in the. In them. So whatever you think of the future, I feel like you got to be happy to go win a road game at Auburn.
Matt Jones
This is Kentucky football. How can you not enjoy getting the win? I mean, we've. According to Justin Roland, we've only won in the state of Alabama four times. We've only beat Auburn or Alabama on the road four times in the history of the program. You have to enjoy that it happened, right?
Shannon
Absolutely. And as the one person on this show that actually believed that they would win Auburn, Stoops. And, you know, you could hear the crack in his voice. And I don't know how you don't have a little bit of sympathy for Mark Stoops after hearing how much he loves Kentucky.
Matt Jones
It's a crack in his voice. I thought it was very nice. And even if it's the last really good moment he has, it was nice to get to see it, right?
Ryan Lemond
Absolutely.
Matt Jones
And it's a very. Mark Stoops win. No one thinks we're going to win. He goes on the road, wins 11 and a half point underdog, which was a crazy number if you think about it. Gets the victory, gets emotional it's 10 to 3. Like, it's like football, but we win. So it's a very marked suit. I'm glad they got to have that night. And they give themselves a chance to set up yet another night at home where we could potentially. How many night games have we been disappointed in the last three or four years at home? But he gets another chance with Florida on Saturday.
Ryan Lemond
There's nothing better in sports when you win on an opponent's home field and when you win and they're chanting, fire, Hugh, freeze, you know, as they walk off the field. And then that ride home is just. It's something that's long overdue for this football team because Stoops is right. You know, they, they, they've not give up.
Matt Jones
They've not, you know, clearly have not given.
Ryan Lemond
Not at all. And that means a lot, I think, to the coaching staff. But Stoops brought it up again. We know we need to win one at home. We know our fans deserve that. So they're, they're very much aware of this situation.
Matt Jones
So we said, I said going into the game, if they lose this game, I think the, the dies cast and it's over. All right, so they won. Now, that doesn't mean that the dies cast and he's back. I think it just means we extend the process a little bit longer. So we play Florida Saturday. I think we all think they could win that game, right?
Ryan Lemond
Yes.
Matt Jones
Florida's on a 3 1/2 point favorite.
Drew Franklin
I've said it since March. I think they are going to win the game. I have not wavered since the spring. I do not think Florida is very good. We've always wanted Florida here in November. Kentucky's coming off a win. I think they do win. And it really gets BBN confused of what to think.
Matt Jones
All right, so let's say they win. All right, let's play through the mindset. Okay. Then they'd be four and five.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Then they play a little team called Tennessee Tech. I know they're undefeated nine and oh now, but I'm going to assume they win that game. Obviously, if they lost that game, different scenario.
Drew Franklin
It's still an FCS team.
Matt Jones
We win that game. Let's say it's 5 and 5. Then where are we with road games to Vandy and Louisville? Waiting. What is the say? I mean, we could on Saturday night have this scenario. Where are we with Vandy and Louisville?
Ryan Lemond
If you beat Florida, which is very highly possible. And I think if he wins one of those two, he's. You definitely keep him if you're in the game.
Matt Jones
If you win one of what to Van de Fluisville. Okay, so in that scenario where you beat Florida.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
And then you beat either Vandy or Louisville, you think Mark Stoops is the coach next year.
Ryan Lemond
If you get blown out in both of them, maybe it's a different conversation.
Matt Jones
That's not what you said.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah, we're in Florida.
Matt Jones
If we win one, we get it. What if we lose them both?
Ryan Lemond
If they're in the game and it's going down to the final possession, I can see Mitch Barnhart wanting to stay with.
Matt Jones
What would Ryan Lemon want to do?
Ryan Lemond
I'd probably stay with him. If it's a close game. If they get blown out both games, well, maybe it's a different conversation.
Matt Jones
All right, Drew Franklin.
Drew Franklin
I still think he needs to get to a bowl, which is a big ask right now. But I will admit what I think and what Mitch Barnhart thinks look very different. It was I. You mentioned this on postgame and it was all over Twitter is very telling. The embrace from Mitch Barnhart on Saturday and the person standing behind them, too.
Matt Jones
All right, so the worst scenario for. I'm going to give you the best scenario in the worst.
Ryan Lemond
Okay.
Matt Jones
Best scenario for Kentucky football, in my opinion, beat Florida, beat Vandy or Louisville, go 6 and 6. Even if people aren't excited. You go to a bowl game, you end that little not having gone to bowl game streaks and you w. And then at the end of the season, Mitch Barnhart will bring him back if he wants to come back. I'm not a hundred percent sure, by the way, that there's still not a world in which Mark might want a different thing. But let's six and six. I think. I can't see a word. They are not going to fire a coach and pay $37 million that goes to a ball game. They're just not.
Ryan Lemond
Won't do it.
Drew Franklin
And I don't think they should. I before the year to get to a bowl game. If he gets to a bowl game, we can't just.
Matt Jones
But I also want people to understand it is not going to happen. All right, so then let's go to another. I won't say positive scenario, but a more like we know what's going to happen scenario. They lose to Florida, Vandy and Louisville, he won't be the coach next year. The Auburn game would have been a nice moment, but he will not be the coach. Does everybody agree with that?
Drew Franklin
Correct.
Matt Jones
Not going to happen.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Here's the scenario that people at uk and I've talked to people yesterday. Here's the scenario. That's the nightmare scenario. Beat Florida, lose to Vandy and Louisville, maybe lose one or two of them definitively, and the fans want to change. And then Mitch isn't sure there should be and he's stuck. Yeah, that's the scenario. That's the one that gives people nightmares at uk and that's the one that I'm not going to say is most likely, but it's highly probable. It's very likely. It's not certain. I don't think it's certain. They're going to be Florida. They could easily lose that game. But Drew, that's the one that. That you just would be bad.
Drew Franklin
Yeah, if I'm in administration and I'm don't want to get to that point. I am uncomfortable right now of the likelihood. It's not the most likely, but it's not some long shot either. They could be heading straight for that direction.
Matt Jones
Now, I do think it's important to talk about what happened on the game after. After. Okay. The idea of Mitch Barnhart and Mark Stoops embracing after a win is not irregular. Probably happens, Ryan, every game.
Ryan Lemond
I'm sure it does.
Matt Jones
Probably happens every game. I think there's something about the fact, though, that the camera is on them. It seemed particularly warm and emotional. And I think it's also worth noting that, like, on camera, on espn, standing right behind them is the biggest donor to the school. And also there are pictures of them. Embrace it.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Like, this is a. That's the three in some ways. I mean, there'll be other voices, too, but those are the main voices. And, you know, whereas on the Internet, there's, like, universal. Oh, I don't know that that's the case inside, which is why I think a lot of people wanted there to be a definitive resolution. From the beginning of the season. Anyone you talk to at UK was like, 5 and 7 is the worst.
Drew Franklin
Yeah, we want to get to a bowl, but if you just come up barely short, that's still a big buyout.
Matt Jones
Which is why Florida, you know, I want us to win, Ryan. You have to want to win, right?
Ryan Lemond
Absolutely. So I'm going to talk about the embrace first. Usually that happens every game, but it's usually back in the tunnel. This was a highly visible vote of confidence.
Matt Jones
Do you think he did that on purpose?
Ryan Lemond
I think he did. I think that was showing everybody. This is my vote of confidence, and I'm giving our head coach Mark Stoops.
Matt Jones
I think There was a little bit of. On purpose. There's. Yeah. I mean, Mark. Mitch Barnhart is always a universally positive figure to his coaches, but he was out on the field. Mitch, he knows there's the camera.
Ryan Lemond
That was a big, big bro hug.
Shannon
It was a bro, Right. For the cameraman to hug Mark Stoops, I thought. Yeah, this is intentional.
Matt Jones
This is intentional.
Drew Franklin
I thought the part where he yelled at the cameraman to zoom in on me.
Matt Jones
Get my good side right here.
Drew Franklin
A little bit to the right.
Matt Jones
There you go. I've got a dimple.
Ryan Lemond
Now, while we're talking about this, too, we need to remember fan base, how they feel about John Calipari. And they just lost to Oakland and Mitch decided to bring him back.
Matt Jones
But Mitch hated Cal. I don't care what he says.
Ryan Lemond
Still decided to bring him back.
Matt Jones
Did not. Mitch didn't like Caliper. When we were winning. Okay. When we were losing, the only reason Cal Perry wasn't gone was because, A, the buyout, but B, there was a part of this fan base that was loud that liked him. Including. There were some donors that liked him.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
All right. I don't know what's happening right as. Here's what I think is happening in the donor world. They love Mark. They're not going to push for him to be gone, but they're also not pushing for him to stay. You know what I mean?
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
And I think that makes it. Mark's done such a good. The donors all loving.
Ryan Lemond
That's why it would be hard to pay the buyout of somebody you really like.
Matt Jones
They'll find a way if they have to. But I just think. I think that game Saturday was huge. And I also think this Saturday, this is Mississippi State, however many years ago. Yeah. You remember when they had to win that game. This is now Mississippi State again. They need Austin McGinnis to line up for a kick.
Ryan Lemond
Bring him back.
Matt Jones
So Saturday, I would argue Saturday in Lexington is going to be one of the more tension, interesting filled nights that there's. I'm going to go and I don't. I don't go to a lot. I'm going to go because I want to be there. Because I think there's going to be a lot of emotion and swings and I want to walk around and I'm on a, you know, sneak into the sweet section and look at it. Cause there's going to be a lot of emotion out there Saturday night.
Ryan Lemond
What do you think the crowd is going to be like?
Matt Jones
I actually think it's going to be good. Don't you depend on the weather?
Drew Franklin
Yeah, I've seen some people online and it's always hard to tell how many that is, but they're like, all right, I'm back on. I'll see you next week.
Matt Jones
I mean the Texas crowd was good.
Ryan Lemond
Yes, it was.
Drew Franklin
If they had gotten drilled at Auburn, I think we were going to get a message Saturday that's not going to be. There'll be some people that have bought back in at least for a week.
Matt Jones
It's going to be, it's going to be a big Saturday, but it's because of the Saturday they just had. Getting the victory. 859-280-2287. We'll talk more about that. A lot of the other things that happen and then second hour. Take your calls. This is ksr.
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Ryan Lemond
You're right, because they finished 6 and 6. That's a hell of a coaching job.
Matt Jones
That would be great. Yep, that would be great. And then like he takes another job and maybe we pay the difference.
Drew Franklin
Well, that's also my dream scenario, but it includes walking off Louisville with Vince over there on the sideline. One last win, Elvis, because he's done so well.
Matt Jones
Then Jeff goes to Penn State.
Drew Franklin
Yep. And then we say, thank you, Mark. It was a good run.
Matt Jones
One last governor's rom goes to Penn State. We all say goodbye.
Ryan Lemond
Does Vince then rejoin Mark wherever his new job, whatever.
Matt Jones
Everybody, we can wish everybody happiness at that point. Whatever they want to go do, everybody go and do it right.
Drew Franklin
I don't have the worry that if he leaves, he'll take everybody with him. I'm sure Cutter Bowley loves Mark Stoops, but if he could stay in Lexington and the new coach has a little bit of offense to him, I think that would be a little more appealing to Bowley. But I don't know, maybe he would follow Stoops.
Matt Jones
Yes. One person writes, Larry Vaught says Kelly Craft whip for loyalty and support. Well, of course. I mean, and she's a fan of the team. That's why she went. I mean, like, it's fine. I have no problem. I mean, I'm. What those two have done for the program. They should go wherever they want. I'm fine with it. I mean, like, I. They should go.
Ryan Lemond
And it's really no secret that the crafts are big supporters of Mark Stoops. They're not. You know, I can consider him a friend.
Matt Jones
One person writes best scenario, Matt. We lose out and get a new coach. Program needs a change. Kroger Field has been dead. I don't think that's true that it's been dead.
Ryan Lemond
He must not have gone to the Texas.
Matt Jones
I don't. I mean, I don't think it's been dead at all. I think Kroger Field has been alive. I also think people who say, well, if you bring. If we go six and six, Mark Stoops comes back, there won't be any excitement. I don't agree with that. First of all, if you go six and six, you'll have won four of your last five games coming down the stretch. You will beat. You will have knocked either Vandy or Louisville out of the playoff.
Ryan Lemond
Isn't that a hell of a turnaround?
Matt Jones
You think about that though. I mean, you will have knocked Vandy or Louisville out of the playoffs. They both still have a chance and you could knock one of them out. Including think about knocking Louisville out of the playoff. Because right now they're. They look like they could go. They. Their only game left is against Clemson and Clemson's 3 and 5. So you know, they could lose. I mean, if they make the ACC championship, even if they lose, they might make the playoff.
Drew Franklin
For gamblers, they're like +2 80 to.
Matt Jones
Make the playoff, which, I mean they can easily make the playoff. So. But if they lose to us, they won't make the playoff. So we get coaches fired and we knock teams out of the playoff.
Drew Franklin
And if he were to turn it around and they win four out of five, including being Louisville, if you were upset, you. You're just unreasonable at that point because you would have asked him to turn it around. He would have turned it around, beat Louisville, found some offense that you can get excited about. Young guys at that point, you're just being a hater now. I don't think that would happen.
Matt Jones
Well, let me ask you this. What if they went 6 and 6? Would you bring back Bush, Hamden.
Drew Franklin
The off? I thought the offense would take a big step this week. Winning 103 is not a big but.
Matt Jones
But doesn't the logic that you just applied to Mark Stoops also apply to him.
Drew Franklin
Not if they're winning 10 3.
Matt Jones
Well they're not going to beat Louisville Vandy 10 3. They're going to score points. Yeah.
Drew Franklin
You win one of those games look good.
Matt Jones
Obviously one of those games the offense is going to have to look good.
Drew Franklin
Honestly, I go to Cutter Bowley and ask him what he wants.
Ryan Lemond
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Matt Jones
Really?
Ryan Lemond
I think Cutter has to be in that. He has to be in that conversation.
Drew Franklin
Because we've seen Cutter and I don't know if it's directed at Bush or teammates. We've seen him get frustrated at the operation. You can the tv the camera zooms in on him. He's yelling at people. I don't know who these mad at but you want him to be the most comfortable.
Matt Jones
He's going to have the keys to car. All right. So it was interesting if you listen to my postgame show where it was interesting looking at postgame show was universally paused. Yes, it was part of that may just be that you win a game. The kind of person that's going to call post game show at 12:30 at night is going to be positive. But then I went online, I went on the KSR plus message board and I looked at the show thread for the show and people were mad that people were positive. I don't know who the people are that are up at 12:45 at night see us win and they're mad.
Drew Franklin
We have a fire Stoops threat after every game and they put one up even after the win. They're just people who the people that root against the team. We think there's not many. There are.
Matt Jones
So the question then is we did the polls seemed like 97, 98% were ready for a change. What do you think that number is today? What do you think that number is? If they're 6 and 6.
Ryan Lemond
I want to believe that they finish 6 and 6. The number is going to be maybe the number to firing drops to like 20%. I don't know if it drops that low but I want to believe our fan base is loyal enough and smart enough that they would flip.
Matt Jones
Well what is the Show's percentage go 6 and 6. Does anyone believe go 6 and 6 you have. You have to get rid of.
Drew Franklin
You can't fire him if he makes a bowl. That's all we asked of him. Keep the schedule. If he does it, you can change.
Matt Jones
I agree. So we're five and Okay. I noticed Mario hesitated. He did it is fascinating to me. The a. I think the age discrepancy of the fan base's opinion is always fascinating. And I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong. With Calipari, younger fans were loyal till the end. In general, older fans were done with Stoops. Older fans giving more grace. Younger fans are done. Mario and I were out Friday night for Halloween. I may talk about more of this in the second hour. Like filming people around Lexington looking for the best costume. We first went to like adult older bars with like people our age. And then we finished the night downtown, which has a lot of college students and younger people. The younger people were just randomly screaming fire Stoops at me. Now again, this before we won. But like that was all anybody said to me. With the older people it was like, how do you think the basketball team is good? With the younger people it was just screaming fire Stoops. And I just think that's an interesting dichotomy of how our fans age brackets look at these issues differently.
Drew Franklin
Yeah. Because the football success that Stoops brought was pretty new to a lot of us. Those young kids, they've probably seen videos of LSU and all those old games, but a lot of us are still wearing those scars. So I think there's more of appreciation for the 10 win seasons and eight straight bowls than the younger kids have.
Matt Jones
But it's. But none of this matters if we lose to Florida. Would you agree? If we lose to Florida, the dies cast another home loss. Another home continues. So that's why Saturday is such a huge, huge thing. I mean it is the, the program. They survived the first one of them, now they have another one. And when we come back, we'll talk a little bit more about the other sports around and then get ready to take your calls. KSR TJ Smith, personal injury attorney.
Ryan Lemond
Call tj.
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Matt Jones
Welcome back Techie Sports Radio. Good questions coming on the text machine. Let me give a couple of them. One person writes. Matt 772-7745254. Is there any chance that Mark doesn't finish the season? Now? I would say no. I think that win ensures. I think it was a small chance they would have done an end of season replacement. But to the extent that would have happened, I think now that's gone away.
Ryan Lemond
I think the only way that would happen if they would lose to Florida and then lose the Tennessee Tech, that.
Matt Jones
Might be maybe, maybe. But I Think the worry was the attendance and the side of the Tennessee Tech game and now that's gone away. Yeah, I think if you lose to Florida, it's not going to be a good attendance anyway, but it won't be. What could have happened if you had lost both of them?
Ryan Lemond
Them. Correct.
Drew Franklin
I still don't think Mitch would have done it, but I. He would have had to have considered it. If you had gotten smoked at Auburn and then at home against Florida before.
Matt Jones
That, Tennessee, I think he finishes the season. One person writes, Matt, I don't care if we go 6 and 6 or even 7 and 5. We need a change for new energy. I don't even know that that's wrong. But at the same time, at some point, job performance matters. And in a year where all these coaches are already seats are open and where you owe this is where the $37 million comes from. They are not going to fire a coach that goes to bowl games and pay him $37 million. They're just not going to do that. Whether you think they should or not, they're not. It would be one of the most financially irresponsible decisions to pay the fourth highest buyout in the history of coaching. Just for the record, if we fire Mark Stoops, we will be paying the fourth highest buyout in the history of college football. They're not going to do that coming off a bowl game. No, they're just not.
Drew Franklin
Just whatever you think of Soups. Just the simple fact that he said, hey, had a bad year and they called it a one year blip. I don't believe it was a one year blip. But my opinion doesn't matter. When he said, hey, I'm going to get us back to a bowl game, we're like, all right, get us back to a bowl game. If he does that. We can't nitpick how each of the six games were that got him there. He got you back to the postseason.
Matt Jones
It's also worth noting, had we beaten Texas, I mean, Shannon, what if we had beaten Texas? He was right there.
Shannon
Yeah.
Ryan Lemond
A whole different conversation.
Shannon
Exactly.
Matt Jones
Different conversation.
Drew Franklin
I don't know if it changes the record, but I wonder what if. And this is where I'm still a little upset with him. Like, what if we just had bowling some of these guys from the beginning.
Matt Jones
Yeah, it's Zach. Will Zach Calzada, Shannon, be the most forgotten player?
Shannon
I would say so. I mean, for a guy who we spent so much money on for nil to bring him in here, than him not even End up being our starting.
Drew Franklin
Quarterback and they let Ole Miss with that offense.
Matt Jones
That's one of the reasons. By the way, I do want to say I here's what I'm not listening a lot to is people who complain that not enough money was put into the UK roster. I don't think they put in as much as a lot of UK SEC teams, but we also threw a lot of it away. When you're given a bunch of money and you give it to there's at least three guys on the team making over a million dollars that are not even playing.
Ryan Lemond
I don't think one guy's played a snap all year. Maybe one snap, at least three.
Matt Jones
So like when you get that money and you use it wrong, I'll listen to teams and people who they use the money they have efficiently and it's just not enough. But we have used money inefficiently. Is that fair?
Ryan Lemond
It's fair. And people are starting to ask whose call was that then? Whose call was the way to distribute?
Matt Jones
Well, Freddy Grant is the one deciding and I think that's why Vince left. Now, I'm not saying Vince was right in his picks. Eddie wrong, I mean, I don't know. But the rosters have been built by Eddie. There have been some successes, some failures. But let's say the number that's out there is true, that they had like 20 million. I mean you got four and a half, five million not even playing.
Drew Franklin
Yeah. The guys that you invested in to help you aren't the ones doing it. It's your backups.
Matt Jones
That's a really good point. Some of these freshmen like Cameron Miller, what could his nile be like 50,000? I mean it can't be much on defense Saturday night.
Drew Franklin
New names, making plays. Nuts caught individuals. But you got a pretty expensive running back who has one 79 yard run. That's basically all he's done this year.
Matt Jones
I would say to you, the only person that is being paid that is making the. Here's who I think amongst the people that are among the highest paid in aisle, people are earning their money. Alex Afari and Cutter Boat. Yes, that's probably the two.
Ryan Lemond
And the only new player may be Kendrick Law. As far as a new law turned it on.
Matt Jones
He's turned it on.
Drew Franklin
Some of that is they're getting it to him more.
Matt Jones
Yeah. And then I mean like Shiash Pete and a couple of those guys. I think I've done fine. But you have some guys doing nothing.
Drew Franklin
I think the tight ends have earned whatever they're getting.
Shannon
I wonder if that'll change over the years where they do deals where, like, you go game by game, you get X amount of money per game.
Matt Jones
In theory, you could do that. But the problem is, Shannon, why is I put the same argument we have with coaches, right? Why is I a player? Am I going to go to a school where I have to earn it when I can get it guaranteed over here?
Shannon
That's the problem. Yeah. If you can get it guaranteed, then you would.
Matt Jones
Why. Why would you go. All right, I need to talk for just a second about this Bears game. I went to the Bears. I mean, I'd never seen him win. That's crazy.
Ryan Lemond
I didn't realize that has to be.
Matt Jones
One of the most exciting football games. I mean, I'm sorry for Bengals fans. I know there's a lot of Bengals fans listening. I don't revel in your joy. Bingles are my second favorite team because the bar does well when the Bengals do well. So I. So this is not like I'm not Bengals hater, but I am a Bears fan. Lifelong went to the game. Wildest thing I've ever seen. If I was a Bengals fan, I would want to fire Zach Taylor. I mean, the Bears at one point brought on their backup quarterback as a wide receiver, and no one on the Bengals noticed. And guess what? They threw it to him. And then he threw it. He threw it down the field.
Drew Franklin
And he looks like a backup quarterback.
Matt Jones
Yeah, he like no one noticed that Tyler Bagehot was on the field. But, you know, it's what's. What's crazy about that game is not just that they came back from 4,127. It's that the Bears had run back two interceptions for touchdowns that both were called back.
Ryan Lemond
Both called back. Took him off the board.
Matt Jones
It had twice looked like not only had won the game, it was a route. And then they both get called back. One for a penalty and then one because they say he was down. After the one where they said he was down. Ryan, everyone in the stadium left. Half the stadium left. Bengals fans when they came back, Shannon, were not in the building.
Ryan Lemond
They were not.
Matt Jones
It was full of Bears fans. So when the Bengals scored to take the lead, the stadium was full of sad Bears fans.
Ryan Lemond
I didn't realize that.
Matt Jones
Oh, they all left. When they ran the interception back, there was like a minute where it looked like the bears were up 4, 48, 27 and everyone left.
Ryan Lemond
Wow. Bengals fans. Usually pretty good to pretty loyal.
Matt Jones
Well, I would have left. You're down 21 with two minutes to go, but then they call it back. There's still, though. What? The Bears still have the ball up 14.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
So you think it's over? Bengals fans leave. I look at my friends and I go, well, I mean, it's not over. I had already taken though the selfie. So the selfie you see that I tweeted out.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Was the second selfie I had already taken. Shannon. A victory selfie before that.
Ryan Lemond
Almost jinxed yourself.
Shannon
Your victory lap a little too early.
Matt Jones
I took a victory selfie at 41. I took a scoreboard picture at 4127.
Drew Franklin
No, that could have been a jinx.
Matt Jones
Then three and out. Bengals go down, score quickly on side kick. How does that dude let it go? Off his foot.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
And then the moment they do that, I go, well, they're going to score here. I mean, no one had stopped anybody all day. True. They score. Then I take a sadness pick. There's a picture out there of me shitting with my thumbs down. And a sad face.
Shannon
Yep.
Matt Jones
Because I was going to go, bears. Oh, and eight when I'm in attendance. And then we drive down. I'm hoping to get in field goal range, but we have the worst kicker in the league. So I was like, even if we get in field goal range, you don't know they're going to make it. And then instead, they score a touchdown. A miraculous touchdown where like five guys hit the receiver and he scores. And I lost it. Bears fans going crazy. We talk about it extensively on NFL Cover Zero. You need. If you want to hear sheer joy, listen to this week's Cover Zero. But it was awesome. And then on the way out of the stadium, all the Bears fans high fiving each other. Yeah, that's a good feeling. The road Shannon win, where the road fans unite and you're like hugging people you don't know.
Shannon
That's gotta be a cool moment for you. And as somebody who loves to leave before the game's over, I'm probably stuck around to the end, you know?
Matt Jones
Now the reason I stayed, to be fair, was a hurtback.
Shannon
You didn't want to get up.
Matt Jones
I just knew that it was going to be like a lot of jostling and I'm getting better and I didn't want to ruin the plus. I was with three Bengals fans. So I had said to the three Bengals fans, tall hubby and turkey Hunter, I'm like, I'm watching the end of this. But then once the Bengals took the lead, I couldn't be like, well, now we got to go. Yeah. I had to let them celebrate, and then it ended up flipping and I got to celebrate. Awesome game.
Drew Franklin
The NFL's had some wild finishes this year. That was the biggest roller coaster we've been on. I'm glad you were there. Got to see your first win. But I also feel bad for Bengals fans with last week you lose to the jets on a halfback pass. This week you have all the mayhem here, but also all the trickery the Bears were doing with Caleb Williams catching passes, Cole commit through a touchdown. I think if you're Bengals fans, the last two weeks of football you've watched and the losses you've taken on your.
Matt Jones
Own, both at home.
Drew Franklin
Excruciating.
Matt Jones
Both at home. So I loved it. I would say I was thinking about best sporting events I've been to. It's not the best. I mean, the best sporting events I've ever been to. Ryder Cup, 2008, Kentucky Games ranging from the national Championship to, you know. But if. Okay, so best regular season things I've ever been to. The UK Carolina game in Vegas.
Ryan Lemond
Absolutely.
Matt Jones
Where Malik Monk scored 45. Like, we were all there. That was awesome.
Ryan Lemond
Best regular season game ever.
Matt Jones
That was absolutely awesome. We lost, but the atmosphere in Bloomington for that Indiana game in 2012 where Drew and I were there, even though we lost objectively, that was an insane atmosphere. Right.
Drew Franklin
I don't like to give them credit, but for just college basketball, that's about as good as you can see in atmosphere football.
Matt Jones
Stevie got loose with Kentucky.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
I left the LSU game in 2007, so I didn't get to feel that Trevin Wallace, the kick run back against Florida. And I would also throw in Bud Dupree when we beat South Carolina, running that interception back.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
But yesterday's up there for me. And in a road environment, I'm not sure. You know, when we beat Ole Miss last year, that was awesome on the road, but there weren't a lot of us there. But yesterday was pretty great.
Ryan Lemond
Did you wear bear stuff?
Matt Jones
Yeah, I wore a Bears hoodie and a Reds hat.
Drew Franklin
Let him know you're local.
Matt Jones
I wanted to know. I don't hate all of you.
Drew Franklin
You're like, hey, I'm here for Caleb Williams, but if Cincinnati breaks out, I'm.
Matt Jones
But if Ellie's out here, I like Caleb. Ellie's better.
Ryan Lemond
Because I wondered. I heard your pre. Your pregame show, your Matt and Myron show. You were in a bar up there.
Matt Jones
Yeah. People were very nice. Came up to me, a lot of KSR fans. But Also just like there's no Bears. Bengals hate like everybody was like fine with each other.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah, you're on their home fans are so drunk.
Matt Jones
Oh, I'm sure they are just so drunk. I mean, I mean they are so drunk everywhere. They opened that bar up. I walked into Holy Grail at 8:45am and I was just greeted by people.
Shannon
Being like, hey, they're still partying from the night before.
Matt Jones
You ready for some football?
Drew Franklin
Is that where you did the show before we went off to no place. They were getting after.
Matt Jones
They were getting after show. Holy Grail is a great place. Like it's right across from the baseball stadium and it's like it's a good mix of people having fun but also being relatively calm. So I liked it. I like that place.
Ryan Lemond
That's why I asked. I wondered if you had your Bears shirt on. You're doing this show and then Bears reds.
Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
All right, let's Do a little UK sports roundup. Kobe Bray and Amari Williams scored their first NBA points this weekend.
Ryan Lemond
How about that? Well, I didn't think Amari would ever have a chance to play in the NBA.
Matt Jones
He's on a bad team, so that helps.
Ryan Lemond
And get in.
Matt Jones
And then Kobe Bray scores last night in a win. Actually, I think they beat San Antonio and he got in there at the end four points. So that's cool for both those guys.
Drew Franklin
Yes, it is.
Ryan Lemond
Yep.
Matt Jones
Volleyball team, huge win.
Ryan Lemond
Swept them, man.
Matt Jones
First of all, Ks bar full.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Watch party good. UK volleyball get on the train because this is coming all November and December, right?
Ryan Lemond
The.
Matt Jones
The. The. The, you know, play the tournament all the way. Now Kentucky's going to be ranked second in the country. They win. Sweep on their floor. Full floor at Texas. Full house. Sweep them.
Ryan Lemond
Sold out at Texas. Number two team in the country for the SEC title. And not only did you win, you.
Matt Jones
Swept them off the floor and kind of dominated them. I mean, the second set, they almost blew it. But first and third set. Well, third set too, I guess. Second set, they almost blew it. Then third set, Texas got a big lead. We came back toying with them.
Drew Franklin
Just having a fun.
Matt Jones
Yeah. I can't break it down because I don't know anything about it, but we spiked the ball better than they.
Drew Franklin
We did. Brooklyn Delay had a lot of kills.
Matt Jones
Yeah.
Drew Franklin
What she always does. Eva Hudson, another name.
Matt Jones
Yeah, I've heard of Eva's. Was she on the show either?
Drew Franklin
No.
Matt Jones
Brooklyn and Brooklyn and Molly and Molly doing great.
Drew Franklin
Yes.
Matt Jones
A huge fan.
Drew Franklin
All three of them, obviously. Big, Big Cats fan. I thought they'd win, but the sweep really caught me off.
Matt Jones
Congrats to Craig Skinner. I mean, if they don't. I mean, they're. They're. They can even lose a game and still win the conference.
Ryan Lemond
What they're. You said they're ninth in a row.
Matt Jones
Yes, it's gonna be. It'll be their ninth in a row. And they would get to host up until the final four.
Ryan Lemond
We'll pack memorial calls. I'm sorry. Historic memorial call saying we'll pack it.
Matt Jones
I would think that's right. But what a. What a victory. And how cool to have like a full Ks bar watching it. I mean, that's great for you. I mean, the fact that UK volleyball is getting that kind of attention in this town during football and basketball, like they're both going on. That's a really cool thing on a.
Drew Franklin
Sunday at 1 when, you know, NFL is pretty popular around that time. You're still got people dialed into the game and filling up a sports bar for it.
Matt Jones
It's awesome. So congrats to Craig Skinner, best coach on campus.
Ryan Lemond
Skinner fever. Catch it.
Matt Jones
The women's basketball team, Shannon starts tonight.
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
They play Morehead State. Couple things about that starts at 6:30. Be a great thing for you to go to tonight if you wanted. On Monday if you're going the game, you know, should be wonderful. Couple things, first of all, Morehead State, coached by Darren Feldhouse. Daughter.
Ryan Lemond
Alan Feldhouse's daughter.
Matt Jones
Alan Feldhouse's daughter's niece.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah. Ashton Feldhouse.
Matt Jones
Ashton Feldhouse is the coach. She's. I think this is her first year, right? It is. Just got the job.
Ryan Lemond
One of the youngest in the country.
Matt Jones
Yes. If you go to their Instagram page, she looks like. She plays like she looks the same age. She's like 31 and she looks the same age as the player. She does the workouts with them.
Ryan Lemond
Probably can still compete pretty regularly.
Matt Jones
Yeah. So Kenny Brooks's team starts. It is. It is. First of all, vinyl night. Vinyl record give. A magnet giveaway. What's a vinyl record Magnet.
Drew Franklin
Guess.
Matt Jones
Is that a magnet with a. Yeah.
Drew Franklin
Kenny had the records out. Part of his madness intro.
Matt Jones
So you get a record.
Drew Franklin
Yeah, I guess they're.
Matt Jones
So it's going to be like a shape, like a record with their schedule on it.
Drew Franklin
That's what I'm picturing.
Shannon
Okay, so it's not an actual record. It's just a magnet shaped as a record.
Drew Franklin
I don't think it plays music.
Matt Jones
What's on the. What's on it?
Drew Franklin
I don't know. You did. We're getting too deep with questions for me. I'm just letting you know if you.
Matt Jones
Go, you'll get a vinyl record magnet.
Ryan Lemond
I don't know if this is right, but I love your idea of putting the schedule on a vinyl record and then have a magnet on it you can put on your refrigerator. There's a schedule right there.
Matt Jones
Yeah, I don't. I think I made up the schedule part. Yeah. I don't know what's on it. I mean, don't. Don't be telling. Well, maybe I said it was a schedule. I don't know that it's a schedule.
Ryan Lemond
I don't have no idea what it is.
Shannon
Like they were just creating this thing. We don't even know what they're giving away. We're just making it up.
Matt Jones
We're gonna get there. Records.
Ryan Lemond
It could be.
Matt Jones
It does say though. Vinyl record magnet giveaway.
Shannon
I Feel like I'm trying to find a picture, though.
Matt Jones
On Thursday is Girl Scout day, so they're having days all year, which I think is kind of cool. I don't know. Are you all. I like giveaways.
Shannon
I do too. The cookies for the Girl Scouts. I mean, they would sell a ton of those.
Matt Jones
Yeah, I like it, like. Okay, so I'm looking. Let me read you some of them they're doing this year. So they're doing vinyl record magnet giveaway, which Shannon lied about. What? It was Girl Scout Day.
Ryan Lemond
Girl Scout day.
Matt Jones
Rally towel giveaway.
Ryan Lemond
That'll be a big one.
Matt Jones
Yeah. Have a rally towel. Teacher appreciation day.
Ryan Lemond
Okay.
Matt Jones
Clear bag giveaway.
Drew Franklin
Oh, I gotta have those concerts.
Shannon
Because a lot of concerts, you. If you bring a bag, it's got to be clear. So that's.
Matt Jones
So they're giving you a clear bag.
Ryan Lemond
Ladies will very much appreciate Dance day. Oh, got a dance to get in.
Matt Jones
Does that mean we dance when we go?
Shannon
You're the dancer. You're the dancer of the group. You should go.
Matt Jones
I am a good dancer. Poster giveaway. Here we go. Wildcat on the shelf Giveaway.
Ryan Lemond
Like the elf on the shelf.
Matt Jones
Like a little elf.
Drew Franklin
That's got.
Matt Jones
That's right for Christmas to be the Christmas game Friday. That would be nice. Get a wildcat on a junior goat club day.
Drew Franklin
I don't.
Shannon
Now you're losing.
Matt Jones
Oh, I'm sorry. Wildcat club day. That's different.
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Yeah.
Shannon
Club Goat club.
Matt Jones
It makes more sense. Wildcat club. I understand. It'd be weird to have a goat. Do we have a goat club in Lexington?
Drew Franklin
I held a goat at the Whiskey the most.
Matt Jones
You know, there's people. There are people who. They do goat yoga.
Ryan Lemond
Yeah?
Drew Franklin
Oh, yeah. Popular. Very popular.
Matt Jones
Why? They.
Drew Franklin
They just climb on you and it helps you.
Matt Jones
Why would you want that?
Drew Franklin
I don't know.
Ryan Lemond
How can you relax?
Matt Jones
Why would you relaxed if a goat is on you?
Drew Franklin
It's very popular.
Matt Jones
But what makes a goat relaxing there?
Drew Franklin
I don't know. The goat I saw on Friday was not relaxing. It was hard to keep up with. So I can't do.
Matt Jones
I mean, I'm being dead serious. I'm not even trying to be funny.
Ryan Lemond
What.
Matt Jones
What makes a goat relaxing?
Ryan Lemond
I don't know, but it's not bad.
Shannon
Please.
Matt Jones
I. I really like. I. I sometimes I just hate. I just do. I. I hate you.
Drew Franklin
That's a sheep and.
Matt Jones
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Date: November 3, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones, Ryan Lemond, Drew Franklin, Shannon
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts & Sports Talk 790 (WKRD-AM)
This episode dives deep into a pivotal moment in Kentucky sports – the aftermath of Kentucky football’s slugfest victory at Auburn, its implications for Coach Mark Stoops’ future, and the complex emotions among fans facing a critical Florida game. The crew also recaps a wild NFL experience and discusses big wins for UK volleyball and NBA debuts for former Cats. The tone is lively, sometimes irreverent, filled with inside jokes and passionate sports debate.
The Game: Kentucky defeated Auburn 10-3, breaking a long winless SEC streak on the road in Alabama. The game was described as a classic “Mark Stoops win”: defensively tough, low scoring, and upset as an 11.5-point underdog.
Stoops’ Emotional Moment: Mark Stoops shared a visibly emotional postgame interview, reflecting the pressure and pride around his tenure.
Fanbase Division Over Stoops’ Status:
Scenarios for Stoops’ Future:
Notable Quote on Administrative Dynamics:
Polls and Fan Divides:
Critical look at UK’s use (and perceived misuse) of NIL funds, with several high-paid players not producing or on the field.
Discussion of whether NIL should be performance-based, and why UK isn’t alone in these issues.
Matt shares his firsthand experience of the “wildest thing I’ve ever seen,” as the Chicago Bears staged a comeback win over the Bengals, breaking his personal 0-7 streak.
Discussion of atmospheres at top regular season games, fan behavior, and sports bar culture.
Volleyball’s Big Win: UK volleyball swept #2 Texas, now poised to win a ninth straight SEC title. Heavy praise for coach Craig Skinner.
NBA milestones: Kobe Bray and Amari Williams scored first NBA points, against the odds (39:51).
Women’s Basketball: Season opens tonight vs. Morehead State. New coach Kenny Brooks starts with fan giveaways (vinyl record magnet, rally towel, etc.), noting community-oriented promotions.
On rooting for the team vs. wanting change:
On Fiesta of Fan Suffering:
On NIL Drama:
On Sports Bar Culture:
On Historic Volleyball Win:
This episode captures Kentucky sports at a crossroads, wrestling with loyalty and change while appreciating landmark wins in football and volleyball. The crew’s banter, impassioned arguments, and self-deprecating humor offer a vivid snapshot of the Bluegrass sports psyche—one where every win or loss feels like it might tip the world on its axis.
For listeners who missed it: Expect lively debate on Stoops’ fate, laughter over fan peculiarities, and celebration of under-the-radar UK athletic success, all steeped in the fun, family-style ribbing that makes KSR beloved across generations.