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Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
Welcome everyone. It is Kentucky Sports Radio here live in downtown Lexington at the Affinity Rooftop located on the 8th floor of the Marriott City Center. This is for what we can remember our first show downtown and look where we are, this beautiful building, the city center 8th floor where today you we got folks here watching and eating. And if you come today at the Affinity rooftop cafe and you eat a meal, Ryan, right, you can win. We will draw this gift package that includes a Mark Pope signed basketball.
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Ryan Lemond
Very nice.
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Matt Jones
It includes bourbon. It includes a lot of stuff. Somebody in here will win that today at ksr, you can give us shout out Clark's Puppet Shop phone line 859-280-2287. A Vision Auto Glass text machine is 772-774-5254 and this dish is sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. If you call TJ he'll make them pay. There's a lot of stuff to get to today. Two games, basketball tonight, football tomorrow. Lots of news. There is a ton going on. But we will start with the news that I just found out about 20 minutes ago. I'm sure all of you have heard that Jalen Lowe re injured his shoulder in practice yesterday. Apparently a collision with diabate which you know, I've seen that dude. I don't think you want to have a collision. He was hurt yesterday in practice. They did imaging on him last night and today. And the latest update which I got pulling into the parking lot is that he the the injury is slightly worse than last time. Surgery could be an option. He also there are ways potentially he could play through it, but they are going to think about it for the rest of the day and then make a decision. Could what I was told kind of could go either way. And it's in part what the staff thinks is best for him long term. I got the sense that this is probably a surgery that would have to happen at some point, but maybe you'd wait and do it in the off season or you do it now. This is basically exactly what happened with Lamont Butler. I do not know if it's the same injury. So I would be clear. I don't know if it's the same injury. But if you remember, Lamont Butler had to have surgery in the off season but he Wanted to get through the season and play. So he did. I don't know if we're kind of. We're in a similar situation here. So I think probably by tonight we will know whether or not Jalen Lowe will play this year. He certainly will not play tonight and I would think he would not play at least a lot of the non conference season. So that's where we are. That's the new news guys. Well, I'll just give my take and then I'll pass off to you all I've said all summer. Anybody who listen to this show knows that I thought he was the key to the team. I said we'd be as good as he is. You know, in my opinion. I don't know if I thought he was the best player but I thought he'd likely be the leading scorer. That's probably still would have been true for all this. If we don't have him, I think it certainly hurts our ceiling. Meaning, you know, I thought we could be the best team in the country with him. I don't know if we can be the best team in the country without him. I still think we can be really good for a variety of reasons. But now you got a lot of things are have to change. Always gonna have to step up. One of these guys like Jasper Johnson or something's gonna have to be a lot better than they've been so far. But it would be a bummer if you had asked me before the season who's the player UK can afford to lose least I probably would have said Jalen Lowe. And now it looks like three games into the year, Ryan, there's at least a chance we might have lost.
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Ryan Lemond
It does suck. I mean they can still be really good without him but it does suck that if he's going to be out for extended period of time. I mean I've been doing this a long time and I can't remember a shoulder injury ever. And our point guards been got it two years in a row. I mean we need the, we had the ankle doctor, we need a shoulder doctor or something. This seems like a deja vu that we don't want.
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Matt Jones
It is crazy that you would have a shoulder injury on your point guard twice in two years in a row. I mean that is. I'm with Ryan. I can't remember ever having a. Having a basketball player with shoulder injury period. And to have him back to back years at the most important position. You know, I think losing Lamont crushed us last year. Now he did come back. I hope this One doesn't crush us as much.
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Drew Franklin
It's just insane to have another injury at the exact same position. We ran out of point guards last year, and then in the blue white game, you lose one this year. Even though we got him for a stint there. I'm counting it as he was out preseason. It's just ridiculous to have these injuries. I'm no doctor, but the moment I heard, I thought, probably gonna have to shut that down for the year for surgery. I'm glad to know that they're leaving open the opportunity to not do that. But it just immediately I thought, well, there goes low for the year. That was my first reaction. I'm sure many people thought the same thing.
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Matt Jones
Now, remember, you do have that kid for two years, and maybe you now have him for two years again if he. If he doesn't play. But he was. I think he was on a plan to play here next year regardless. You know, Shannon, I. What would you do, like, if you. I mean, if. Let's say you knew you were going to have to have surgery at some point?
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Shannon
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
From what I understand, it's a four to five month recovery. So you could wait till the end of the year and then be ready for next year. Even if you played, would you try to play or would you say, look, man, there's no reason I'm going to be in pain for four straight months. I might as well go ahead and do it?
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Shannon
Well, it's easy for me to say it, but I would say you just got to play through the pain and try to get to the off season and then take care of that. Then, you know, I wasn't really willing to change my projection for how the season was going to go after the Louisville loss. But I think if Jalen Lowe is out for a significant part of the schedule, then I think you do have to change. The way you look at this.
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Matt Jones
Is it. Is it a shooting hand or the other one?
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Ryan Lemond
It's the other one. He's left handed. It's his right shoulder.
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Matt Jones
With Lamont, it was his shooting though, right?
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Commercial Announcer
Wasn't it?
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Ryan Lemond
I believe it was, yeah.
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Matt Jones
So I do think, you know, Lamont, it clearly affected his play. You know, there is an argument that with your offhand arm, it's a little easier because it's not your shooting arm. That's. I mean, I'm just saying there is an argument that maybe that wouldn't be as bad.
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Drew Franklin
Butler was older, didn't have a lot more basketball to play, so he might have had to push through, you know, that's true.
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Ryan Lemond
Good point.
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Shannon
I just want to know what kind of drills they're running in practice to where this is happening like this. But to Pope's credit, I mean, he had to deal with those injuries last year, and they, you know, turned out to have a good season. So, you know, by the way, you.
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Matt Jones
Got two of everything. I mean, people wonder why did they build their roster like they did? They did it for this reason. Now, I think Aberdeen's a good backup point guard that can become a starter. The question then becomes, who's your. Who becomes the backup? Because we saw what happened when Chandler and Johnson were running the point guard. I think Ryan, Jasper Johnson is going to have to figure out how to be a backup point guard. Like, I think, because I love Chandler and I think Chandler is great in his other role. I do not think he's a point guard. So I think you're going to have to figure out a way for Jasper Johnson probably to be the backup.
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Ryan Lemond
Yeah, Collins been playing great. We see how he does when he plays off the ball. It was the Georgetown exhibition game. He played point guard and just had troubles, Just had a lot of struggles. Jasper, I think I feel a little more confident if he's got to be a backup. I feel confident in Jasper.
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Matt Jones
Maybe we do. I mean, if he goes to be out for the year, you know, I don't know if you saw BYU just signed a kid from the G League that's going to play this year. You know, Drew, maybe.
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Drew Franklin
Listen, I've already thought maybe you go do something like that assistant in Europe right now scouting. We know we can do the big Z move. School doesn't matter anymore. Whatever. We'll fake that, but I'm in Europe right now. Like, hey, anybody want to go play college basketball in January? Unless they really believe in Jasper, they would know behind the scenes. But I, I would really consider.
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Matt Jones
I mean, you really. You do. If you want.
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Drew Franklin
We had added big Z for. At this point in the year.
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Matt Jones
Would you. Would you consider that? Would you consider going and saying, hey, let's find another point guard?
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Ryan Lemond
I guess you got to look into it a little bit. You got to look into it. And then Jasper could be your good. Your fallback plan if you don't find a guy.
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Matt Jones
I don't think Jasper, you. I. I don't think you want Jasper to be. You want him to do other stuff. But I could see him do. I mean, BYU literally just got a player and they had a kid get caught drunk driving. They'll probably get kicked out of school So, I mean, I think that might have been partially why he did it every year.
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Drew Franklin
I mean, we don't fall every school, but every year a high school kid reclassifies and enroll. There are options. Hopefully Jasper can do it. But with Chandler, it's just not that he couldn't play defense. You don't want to take away from him being the two guard. He's been so good since he moved over there. He's shooting 58% from three. So even if he could play point guard, you don't want to ruin how good he's been in his national, leading.
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Matt Jones
The SEC in three point shooting. I mean, you, you, you don't want to do that. So that was, that's part one. Now let's go to part two for a second. And we, by the way, so we don't know about Jaylen Low. I mean, I'm, we're, we're talking like he's gone. I got the sense in my conversations that they really are deciding that it is not. But you know, he'll get asked after the game. We'll probably know when the game is over because they're spending today thinking about it. Let's go to the second thing Mark Pope does. His press conference yesterday and very odd. I mean, I think Mark Pope has nailed almost everything you could say to the press. I didn't really understand his press conference yesterday. He said before the Louisville game a situation happened that threw the team off and that caused essentially something that kind of put him in a bad frame of mind for the game. He said, I'm not ready to say what that is now. Really bad decision to say that. In my opinion, you either say it or you don't. What you don't do is say it and then not say what it is. How many times did you hear me in the Cal area era talk about we're going. People are going to fill the void. Like if you have speculation, people are going to guess what it is. And there are already a ton of rumors floating around. I have no idea if any of them are true. I bet one of them is true, but there's like three. I've heard three different ones multiple times. They can't all be true, but one of them probably is true. I think I have an idea which one is true, but I'm not gonna, I don't want to spread misinformation. But regardless, the fact that I'm having that conversation, Ryan, is why I think that was a bad idea for Mark Polk to say.
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Ryan Lemond
Really kind of strange that A head coach would say that about something right before a major game like that. Now, here's my thoughts about it. It was. If it was something internally, I don't think he. I don't think he would have said anything because stuff internally happens all the time. Like fights in practice, fights in the locker room. I think they just kind of work through that. But if it was something like they got into it with somebody in the arena that led to an altercation or something. But still, why do you, why do you even say it? But see, and then he promises, goes, I'll go get into it more in the future. Like he said he's going to tell us.
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Matt Jones
So what, what are you waiting on?
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Shannon
Right?
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Matt Jones
I mean, like, if you're, if you're gonna, if, if you're gonna say it one day, why are we letting it drag on? Just say it.
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Shannon
It's like when somebody says, I've got news, but I can't tell you what the news is. And there's nothing more frustrating.
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Matt Jones
People get mad at me. You do that.
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Shannon
But it's kind of like that, a little bit like, well, this happened, but I can't tell you about it. I would say that's gonna probably be the first question for the Mark Pope Collins Show. What happened?
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Matt Jones
It's gonna be his first question tonight. Yeah, I mean, he's gonna get asked that. That's gonna be the first question in the post game press conference. And then it, you know, he's gonna be put in a position. Do you say it tonight or do you keep it lingering? And after the Michigan State game, is that gonna be the first question? Like, I, I don't know.
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Shannon
I like that he's open and honest with us, but sometimes I think he overshares. Sometimes we don't need to know all the stuff that's going on behind the scenes and that. I think that's probably an example of one of them.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. So. Odd decision. First of all, do you think what he said, do you think it did have an effect on the game?
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Ryan Lemond
It seemed like some guys may have been affected by it. We all talked about. Some guys just didn't play well. We've talked about the body language of some of the other guys on the team. So I. Whatever it was, it seems to maybe affected him or he wouldn't have even had the notion to bring it up yesterday.
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Matt Jones
I do not think so. I've heard three different stories. I will give one because. Because there's one that I think is the one that people are talking about a lot I do not think it is necessarily the. Our guys got into it with the student section because I think that's happened.
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Drew Franklin
Before and that would get out.
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Matt Jones
Well, there was video. Yeah. I mean, there's video of Jalen Lowe. John. With the student section, but Jalen Lowe really didn't play bad most of the game, so I couldn't like. Jalen Lowe played well. He took a couple bad shots at the end, but he actually played pretty well. So I don't think Jalen Lowe jawing with the student section.
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Ryan Lemond
Drew.
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Matt Jones
Would have had an effect on the result of the game.
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Drew Franklin
No. And that was it. Doing the. I have a secret I can't tell you now. Over a player yelling at a student all the time. I mean, rough against teams that aren't even good.
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Matt Jones
Last year I would sit and watch players go at it with the student section. It's usually playful. I. I can't imagine that would be it. Plus, by the way, if you say publicly, if you're a coach, the student section yelled at our players and it rattled them.
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Shannon
Yeah, that's not a good sign either.
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Ryan Lemond
That's telling every other.
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Matt Jones
But that's telling every other student section in the country. Rattle our guys. They get rattled. So I can't imagine that would be a good idea.
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Drew Franklin
You might as well just say I have a very soft team.
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Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
I mean, that. That camp. So it's got to be something else.
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Shannon
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
And I think it's probably something else. I actually think, Ryan, it's something else that did actually have an impact, but I'm surprised he said. It's one of those things that. I'm really surprised you would say because you could kind of have kept that in house, if that makes sense.
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Or.
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Matt Jones
The second thing is Louisville did something and he's mad about it. He's trying to figure out when he's gonna say it. I think that's. He said we were out of character, but. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I. I think I know, but I don't know. But either way, I'm surprised he said it. I don't think he needed to bring that up.
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Ryan Lemond
I'm very surprised he said he knows what kind of fan base we are. We're all going to speculate now like we're doing right now.
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Matt Jones
I mean, this is what. This is what's on.
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Caller
Going.
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Matt Jones
Going to happen if you do that.
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Ryan Lemond
And.
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Matt Jones
And people less responsible than us would sit here and say them all and then debate which one was more likely. That's just a dumb decision. And there will be places that do that right now and they just took a horrible loss.
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Drew Franklin
You need to close the book and move on. What are you gonna in two weeks you're gonna be like oh by the way, let's bring up that Louisville pregame again after you're playing Indiana. Like yeah, now we can move on.
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Matt Jones
And that's a great point. Let's say we go to to New York and lose to Michigan State. You going to explain why we lost a little?
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Drew Franklin
No. Close the book on Louisville. We have the BBN United T Champion presented by Kentucky Tourism Champions tonight.
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Matt Jones
Tonight, right down the street I saw.
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Drew Franklin
A little sneak peek of a trophy.
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Shannon
No, there's not.
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Drew Franklin
I'm not the only one taking it seriously.
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Shannon
There's not a trophy.
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Drew Franklin
I think I convinced UK to take it seriously because I'm the only one that mentions this damn tr.
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Matt Jones
There's a trophy.
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Drew Franklin
I got a little scuttle butt.
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Shannon
We gotta put that in the trophy case right next to, right next to national number eight.
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Matt Jones
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Drew Franklin
Showing off the trophy. I was told I wouldn't show it, so don't show anyone.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, that is a terrible trophy. We will take a break and be right back. This is Kentucky Sports Radio.
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Matt Jones
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Shannon
See, that's my kind of Thanksgiving. I don't have to cook. I don't have to do anything. Just show up and eat.
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Matt Jones
We've done this a lot in the last few years. My family and I actually really enjoy it. You just show up. You do you Then you get out of there.
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Shannon
I mean, no cleanup. You don't have to do the dishes, you know.
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Matt Jones
Exactly.
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Ryan Lemond
Free parking in the parking garage, I think, for your Thanksgiving buffet. So big deal.
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Matt Jones
That's right. Come on up and join us here in downtown. This is a. You get a good view of the city right here. A lot of people are. Are a couple things people have said since the Low injury that I think are important to know. Number one, I. Somebody wrote, and I think this is utterly ridiculous, there was another media member that said something to the effect of that Jaylen Low's injury prone. And then I saw somebody say, saw, he missed one game at Pitt. One game. He missed literally one game. So that's ridiculous to say he's injury prone. Second, I've seen people say, soft, dude. It separated his shoulder. He separated his shoulder, then came back a couple weeks later, and it's still considered like, you can't help separating your shoulder. That's like saying you're soft because you break your leg. Like, what are you supposed to do? I mean, he.
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Drew Franklin
He was boxing out Diabate for a rebound.
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Commercial Announcer
Exactly.
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Matt Jones
He was going up against Diabate. If you're soft, you're not going to be anywhere near Diabate. So I just think any criticism of him or any even criticism of hope for the fact that he got hurt, you know, he separated his shoulder.
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Drew Franklin
I've seen people saying the athletic trainers got to go. I mean, this. There's been a lot of injuries. We were courtside when Kerr rolled his ankle. I mean, you saw it right there last year against AG and now you got a point guard just boxing out against a big man. They've. They've mostly, you know, they seem like just freak injuries, and there's just been too many of them.
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Matt Jones
I mean, things happen. I think our fan base, the. We have the greatest traits in about 95% of what fans are. But we a. A problem we have is we freak out and we make grand proclamations about little things. And I think I saw that last night with his injury.
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Shannon
Yeah, we overreact to everything. We beat Purdue. We're ready for the national title. We lose the Georgetown. Oh, no, we suck. Because that's just what we do as a fan base.
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Matt Jones
One person writes, matt, would it be nice to have Travis Perry back?
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Shannon
I mean, he hasn't done anything at Ole miss.
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Matt Jones
He's averaging 2.3 points a game at Ole Miss. So, like, yeah, I mean, he'd be a body, but I don't think it would make any difference. He'd Be third string point guard. Maybe now he gets to play. But I love Travis Perry. But you saw last year what happens if we have Travis Perry as our point guard in elite games. We get run off the floor. I mean we saw that last year.
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Ryan Lemond
Year we get into SEC play. You need a guy, athletic guy like Aberdeen. He, he's the guy that if lows out, Aberdeen's a guy that can carry you as your point guard.
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Matt Jones
One person writes, matt, you said go to the G League and get a point guard. Does that really work and is it allowed? I think so. BYU just did it. Louisville's got one coming next year, but BYU's got one coming this year that is going to start, I think it said in December. So I guess you can learn.
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Drew Franklin
No rules. Yeah, there's no rules at all. I mean I still think it's crazy. I'm glad he's here, but yellow Vich was in like the championship game of the biggest pro league in Europe and now he's going to UK101 on campus. None of it makes sense to me.
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Shannon
And imagine you're in the G League, you're not probably making that much money. You could come here and make a lot more in nil to play for Kentucky.
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Ryan Lemond
Amen.
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Shannon
And have the spotlight beyond you where people are actually watching your games. Unlike the G League.
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Matt Jones
Totally agree. Couple open lines. 859-280-2287 let's go back real quick to the Pope comment ends. What Wouldn't you say whatever it was that happened pregame, I, I get part of why. I don't understand why Pope said it is. Okay, fair enough. But at halftime we were down what, seven?
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Commercial Announcer
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Whatever happened in the first half, okay, maybe that affects the start of the game. But by halftime you're down seven with three minutes to go, you're down four. So whatever happened at the beginning of the game, Ryan, I still don't say that affects the entire. I mean we were up.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, I was gonna say we actually had a good start.
- [26:08]
Matt Jones
We took a lead at the start. If you remember. We actually looked pretty good at the start. I think we were up 5. So I, I, I, I, I. It's more reason it's so rare for him to screw up. Public comments. I don't understand this.
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Ryan Lemond
Sometimes we get on coaches for being not being open enough. Pope maybe be too open about stuff. This may be just something where his, just his nature, his character, he just trying to share what really is the story to keep us from worrying. I don't know. But I Think coaches need to kind of keep a little things internal and need to stay.
- [26:38]
Shannon
It kind of feels like. And I don't think it is, but it kind of feels like an excuse. Like, we don't want to hear that.
- [26:42]
Matt Jones
That's. I don't want to hear that There's a part. So I know what you're saying. We do want our. Me, our coach to tell us things at the same time, but we also. There's a fine line between telling you and it being an excuse. And I. Again, we don't know what this is, but it feels like it leans toward excuse. Now, what if it comes out Louisville did something?
- [27:06]
Shannon
Well, then maybe that would be a valid excuse. We gotta hear what it is first.
- [27:10]
Matt Jones
What could they have done?
- [27:11]
Drew Franklin
Yeah. And he said out of character for us. So you almost have to be the reaction to what Louisville. Yeah. I think the most likely scenario is this is really dumb. And Pope's had a golly g moment behind scenes and then set it to him at it. And if we found out, we'd be like, that's it. Why did you bring that up?
- [27:27]
Matt Jones
I totally agree with you. I think that is. I think the most likely scenario is you're going to hear about something that happens probably more than you realize, and we are blowing it out of proportion. But we're doing it in part because he said that, right? Like, because he said that that's going to make it to where you. You don't have a choice. I mean, every after he said that yesterday, everyone I talked to, I was getting texts from people I haven't talked to in 10 years. What happens? Because, you know, people want gossip. Like, it's just natural human nature.
- [27:57]
Ryan Lemond
And the fact it came out after Louisville just beat us, does that magnify it? Like, oh, what's the problem? What happened? We need to know what's. What caused that.
- [28:05]
Shannon
And if we don't ever hear, it's going to go down in, like, Kentucky folklore for years to come if we never get the reason, you know, because we're going to be talking about this.
- [28:12]
Matt Jones
Well, now he has to say.
- [28:13]
Shannon
Exactly.
- [28:14]
Matt Jones
But if he doesn't say the reason now, the. The stories are going to get wilder and wild. It's like the old story about the fight on the plane.
- [28:21]
Ryan Lemond
That's it. Team turmoil on the plane between Gerald.
- [28:24]
Matt Jones
Fitch and Was it Cor. I don't know what happened on that plane. But, like, over the years, it's become like it was snakes on a plane.
- [28:32]
Drew Franklin
Right.
- [28:32]
Matt Jones
Like, it was an absolute bra. And it probably.
- [28:35]
Shannon
Whoa, what just happened? Something fell.
- [28:37]
Matt Jones
All right, we'll take a break. Be right back. This is Kentucky Sports Radio. Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio. 859-280-2287. Infinity Rooftop, 8th Floor, Marriott City Center. Kentucky plays to tonight 7:00 o' clock against Eastern Illinois. Our pregame show starts at 4:30. If you're coming to the game, come on out to KS Bar. We will be there. Or you can come watch the game tonight. Ryan actually will not be there. So it is me and Drew rolling solo on the pregame and then I'll be doing the post game tonight and then tomorrow morning we'll have the pregame football at 9:30. We finish at 11:30 and then drew and I get on a get in a car and with Mario and Billy head towards Buffalo.
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Drew Franklin
I'm ready for some Buffalo. I am bummed to miss the final home game even though it is an FCS game, but the Bills stadium, a Bills game and Bill's mafia is high on my life bucket list and I can't wait to get up there.
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Matt Jones
If you've ever heard us when we're on the road, you're definitely going to want to hear the the show. The post game show Saturday, Shannon, because we're just going to pull off on the side of the road in some town and do the post game show.
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Shannon
Been there, done that over the years.
- [29:45]
Matt Jones
Monday we will be doing the show in Buffalo. Me, Drew, Billy and Mario there in Buffalo.
- [29:50]
Shannon
I was telling Billy this is his first ever KSR road trip. So I think to properly break him in and give him his initiation, you need to make sure you find an Airbnb with a princess bed to make him sleep on that because that's what you got to do when you're on.
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Matt Jones
A road trip record. We did book an Airbnb.
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Ryan Lemond
There you go.
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Matt Jones
It has three king beds.
- [30:06]
Shannon
Yep.
- [30:07]
Matt Jones
And one bunk bed. Billy gets the bunk bed.
- [30:09]
Shannon
You get top or bottom. Billy, your choice.
- [30:11]
Matt Jones
You do get to choose though. He can choose top or bottom, but that's options.
- [30:16]
Shannon
Which one are you?
- [30:17]
Matt Jones
Yes. He's more of a bot. He's more of a bottom. He's certainly a bottom. For this trip.
- [30:30]
Ryan Lemond
I, I hate to miss the, the basketball pregame show tonight, but I have a hot date.
- [30:37]
Matt Jones
What is it like Douglas versus. Oh, football.
- [30:41]
Ryan Lemond
It's. It's right up your Tiger Beat alley.
- [30:43]
Matt Jones
What is it?
- [30:45]
Ryan Lemond
Sean Cassidy concert in Cincinnati. Yeah. Huh. All the ladies my age are like, Sean Cassidy.
- [30:51]
Matt Jones
Like, oh, I don't know who that is. Who's that?
- [30:54]
Ryan Lemond
I do.
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Matt Jones
Run Run, Run.
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Shannon
I do Run, run.
- [30:56]
Ryan Lemond
He sang that one.
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Matt Jones
How old is that guy?
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Ryan Lemond
Oh, he's in his 60s, maybe seven.
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Matt Jones
So you're going to go see Sean Cassidy in concert?
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Ryan Lemond
Little Miss Yoga girl loved her some Sean Cassidy. She would dump me for Sean Cassidy in a second.
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Shannon
Is Chubby Checker opening?
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Commercial Announcer
Maybe.
- [31:12]
Drew Franklin
Okay, so wait a minute. You're skipping work to take her straight to someone she would dump you for?
- [31:16]
Ryan Lemond
Yes.
- [31:16]
Drew Franklin
Seems like a bad idea.
- [31:18]
Matt Jones
Where is this concert? At a Wendy's?
- [31:21]
Ryan Lemond
Yeah, someplace called the Drudge Garage in Cincinnati.
- [31:25]
Matt Jones
A garage?
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Shannon
Anybody played a garage bar?
- [31:28]
Drew Franklin
Not Riverbend.
- [31:29]
Matt Jones
No, he's playing. No, he's playing at some guy named, like, Bill Drudge's garage.
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Shannon
I mean, I could book them at my garage if you really want to come over.
- [31:37]
Matt Jones
Well, I wish you the best.
- [31:38]
Ryan Lemond
All the ladies my age, they know Sean Cassidy. Wow.
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Matt Jones
I've seen one woman. Two women have a reaction. One person writes, matt, you're being a hypocrite. You're saying Pope is. Is wrong by saying he has info he won't share, and now you're doing the same thing. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Well.
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Drew Franklin
I mean.
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Matt Jones
I mean, there's. I guess there's some truth to that, but I would say, you know, if the governor of Kentucky says something that's different than if Ryan Lemon says it. I mean, Mark Pope has a responsibility as coach that's different than the responsibility of a. Of a person on the radio. My reason for saying I know there's three things is I actually want people to. Not too much overreact. I mean, I saw some things online that were, like, rumors that were terrible. I just want people. I'm almost wanting to throw Pope a lifeline and go, don't go. Say something that makes people think it might be something huge of. You know, I. I've heard three stories. I have. The one that I think is correct. I could sit here and tell you, but what if I'm wrong? Then I put out a false story to everybody? Is that a positive thing? I'm just telling you the ones I've heard. It's not that huge a deal. Which is partially why I don't think Mark Pope should have said it to begin.
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Ryan Lemond
Why did he even say it then?
- [32:51]
Matt Jones
Because I think he may. It makes people. People will always speculate with the worst version. You may remember when I was in the hospital. You remember I called in one day.
- [33:02]
Ryan Lemond
Yes.
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Matt Jones
I called in because people were speculating things that were much worse than what was actually happening. I Mean, what was actually happening was important, but, like, I was hearing that people were like, thought I was about to die. And so I wanted to make sure. Hey, it's, it's. I'm okay. I kind of think, like, when you just throw it out there, Drew, and you have no context, people end up going a lot farther than it probably is.
- [33:26]
Drew Franklin
And this is a head coach in a press conference talking about just getting his butt kicked in a rivalry game, and you're a sports radio host just trying to interpret his comments. So I'll defend you a little there. Different circumstances.
- [33:36]
Matt Jones
I think they hope's in an official.
- [33:37]
Drew Franklin
Setting and you need to have some answers because a lot of the fan base want to know what went wrong. And then he just kind of was like, I got a secret, but I'm not telling you.
- [33:44]
Matt Jones
Yeah, yeah, I, I probably a mistake. Who's up first? Neil is up first. Neil. Go ahead, Neil. Hey, Matt.
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Caller
I'm actually going to be a little critical of Pope here. I think that he constructed this roster to the opposite of what he thinks a team should look like. They can't play defense and they can't shoot. He didn't bring anybody in to really fix that. And I especially fault him for bringing back Brandon Garrison. I don't want to kill the guy, but there's nothing that he did last year that you could look at and say, this is a starter in the SEC and a starter for a top five team.
- [34:16]
Matt Jones
Let me counter your first point for just a second. Okay. I think Pope might have. Have made a couple mistakes on the roster. I would note we're three games into the season and, and so, you know, maybe slow down just a little bit. We're three games into the season. If you count the two exhibition games. We just beat Purdue, who just went on the road and beat Alabama. With that said, I do not agree with your premise about the defense. Yeah, they did not play well against Louisville, but otherwise this year their defense has actually been pretty good. Even. Even in times they've struggled. I don't think you can just say they can't play any defense. I actually don't think that's fair. They did not play great defense in the first half against Louisville last game. But I don't think you can say definitively they can't play defense.
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Caller
Well. I would say that they could play defense against, you know, the bottom 210 pomp teams. But once you see it, how do.
- [35:11]
Matt Jones
You explain the way they help Purdue to fit? How do you explain Purdue scoring, what.
- [35:15]
Caller
58 Puru slow and an athletic and a Big Ten team.
- [35:21]
Matt Jones
Well, they scored 85 against Alabama.
- [35:25]
Caller
Well, Alabama doesn't play defense in his shooters. We don't have. We don't have that.
- [35:29]
Matt Jones
Okay, well, I mean again, now I feel like the argument I'm having against UK football. Every team sucks if we beat them and we sucks if like, like at some point you actually have to give them credit. We played defense well again. I mean even Georgetown. The reason we lost was he didn't play good offense. I, I'm not, I'm not willing to give up on the team. I will make you a bet by the end of the season. Season, Louisville's one of the three best teams in America in offensive efficiency. I'm gonna make you that bet. And if that's the case, would you say that maybe sometimes that team might just be really good and we were playing on their home floor. On their home floor in a, in a night where in the first half they were crazy hot. Is that possible?
- [36:13]
Caller
Yeah, that's very possible. And I hope that is the case. I hope we can turn the defense around and learn to stop athletic teams. But just the prospect doesn't look very good when you know, we do have Brandon Garrison and our centers aren't very, you know, the most athletic people. We're losing low. Trent no. Is not going to be our lows.
- [36:30]
Matt Jones
The worst defender on the team. So, so I appreciate the car. Defense will not give. Our offense is going to get worse. Drew. But our defense will not be worse without low. He's the worst defender on the team and I love the kid. I'm his biggest promoter. But he can't play defense. So defense I actually think will get better without him. I'm worried about the score.
- [36:47]
Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
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Drew Franklin
And I have plenty of concerns too. I'm not gonna sit here and act like it's all all roses over there. But that game was on November 11th. I don't have a crystal ball to know what it's going to look. I'm not going to form any season long predictions.
- [36:58]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [36:59]
Drew Franklin
Losing a rivalry game on the road in the third game of the year, I'm as disappointed as anyone. And oh well, you need to get it going. Three point shooting needs to get better. Lots of things need to be corrected. But I'm not going to make any statements about the season after three games.
- [37:10]
Matt Jones
Sometimes Ryan, also, the more we see of a guy, the more critical we are.
- [37:14]
Ryan Lemond
Oh yeah.
- [37:14]
Matt Jones
Okay. I mean that's, that's why I used to say sometimes guys can stay in college too. Long because you start to pick out their holes. But who are the two players that have received the most criticism for UK this year? Away and Garrison? Who are the two dudes that retired? Right. We all. We. I hope in this new era, this non Cal era, we're going to have guys return. And I do hope we're careful not to always punish them for returning by, like, them being the people where the most. Look, I was very critical of Away. I've never loved Garrison as a player going back to last year. But I also think if Garrison doesn't play well, there's a little guy named Jaden Quaintance coming in a little while. You got yellow bitch, you got Moreno. Always a bigger deal to me than Garrison because I don't know if we have the replacement Ryan for Ohay Garrison. We can sit on the bench if he doesn't play well.
- [38:06]
Ryan Lemond
You know, you brought up a great point. How many times did Pope say his players take a big step up in year two? That was kind of his narrative all summer. We talked about it. And out of the four guys, Colin Chandler, maybe the only one of the four second year guys that have really stepped up. The other three guys are still. We're still kind of waiting for it to happen.
- [38:22]
Drew Franklin
Maybe we still haven't gotten a fair look at Noah. I mean, he was cold in the first few appearances, but with the turned ankle, you know, hadn't played in two and a half games. I'm still hoping he makes that sophomore jump, but it's way too early. Say anything about him.
- [38:35]
Shannon
Yeah, I would say wait till we get to the conference schedule. You know, we're three games in. I mean, we are.
- [38:39]
Matt Jones
We are three games.
- [38:41]
Shannon
Yeah. And people are already. You know, we had a call yesterday on the pre show already wanting Garrison out of the starting lineup. Well, maybe, but like, let's not give up on them yet. It's still so early.
- [38:50]
Matt Jones
We're three games. Yeah.
- [38:51]
Ryan Lemond
We got a championship to win tonight.
- [38:52]
Matt Jones
I mean, remember, right. Last year we beat Duke and we. And we all, myself included, were like, we're the best team in the world. And then a couple of weeks later, we lost by like 50 to Ohio State. Yeah. So, you know, so take Alabama. Alabama goes. Wins at St. John's and you're like, man, this team's great. And then they just lose at home to Purdue.
- [39:16]
Ryan Lemond
Yep.
- [39:17]
Matt Jones
Like, you know, sometimes early in the year, Drew, you're gonna get weird results.
- [39:21]
Drew Franklin
And I'm gonna go and tell you, I'll get ready. Louisville's about to play a terrible game. They've got a tough three game stretch coming up. One is against John Caliperi. Won't shock me if he beats him by 25 because that's just how it goes sometimes. The roller coasters. 25 is a little high, but the roller coasters of college basketball, especially in November, I just don't think you can really judge the big picture yet.
- [39:40]
Matt Jones
I do think it would have been nice to get one more shooter on this roster. I do think that I wish we had one more guy. Maybe Noah will be that guy when he gets healthy. I wish we had one more shooter.
- [39:49]
Drew Franklin
If this goes on like that with Cam and Noah not shooting well, then Pope did form a bad team. If you want to take 30 threes.
- [39:55]
Matt Jones
A game and you don't have a.
- [39:56]
Drew Franklin
Good shooter, then that is you didn't build it the way you like to play.
- [39:59]
Matt Jones
Hey, you wouldn't let a bad call slide in tonight's game against Eastern Illinois. Well, Ryan, what if you had a mole that changed shape or a spot that wouldn't heal?
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Ryan Lemond
What would you do? Matt?
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Matt Jones
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Ryan Lemond
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Drew Franklin
That's true. That's the one you remember?
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Matt Jones
Yeah. What about what other one?
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Ryan Lemond
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Matt Jones
No.
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Ryan Lemond
Owensboro? Mount St. Helens?
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Matt Jones
I don't know Mount St. Helens.
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Ryan Lemond
But it's in Powderley.
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Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio, 859-280-2287. Text machine. 772-774-5254. We are here at the Infinity rooftop on top of the Marriott City Center. Great crowd here. Somebody's gonna win this. Mark Pope basketball bourbon and other things. On the text machine, one person writes, Matt, I hate how negative our fans get. We are going to be fine. This Kentucky team has played three games. There have been very few seasons outside of a couple in UK history where we didn't lose to a bad team early in the year. It happens. Fair enough. I don't think Louisville's bad, though. I mean, I actually think Louisville's good. So. But you're right. We lose to. But we lost to UNC Wilmington a couple years ago at home. I mean, I'll remind you some of. Some of the undertones of our most negative people are people who still wish we had Cal. I'll remind you that Cows last year with Rob Dillingham and Reed Shephard. We lost to UNC Wilmington early in the year at home. Right. You know, we don't have enough time.
- [45:26]
Drew Franklin
To count Cow's November losses. We couldn't win if we could.
- [45:29]
Matt Jones
One person writes, Matt Purdue didn't scout against Kentucky. You can't pay any attention to that game. It's becoming clear Pope can't coach defense. Just look at the Georgetown game. Oh, so we can't pay attention to the Purdue game, but we also have to pay attention to the Georgetown game.
- [45:44]
Ryan Lemond
That's what we do, man.
- [45:45]
Matt Jones
That's. That is the kind of negative fan that drives me crazy. And by the way, how do we know Purdue didn't scout against him? Because they. Because they said it.
- [45:54]
Ryan Lemond
Right?
- [45:55]
Matt Jones
Come on, that's. By the way, that's ridiculous. If you don't believe Purdue did anything, then you're. You're insane. Plus, they're pretty good. I watched them last night. A lot of the things they do, we stopped. Give us some credit for it, right? I don't know. The idea that we have to say whatever bad happens, that's legit. Whatever good happens. Well, there's an excuse. Come on.
- [46:18]
Shannon
We've heard the same version of that on football the last couple of weeks when you dominate Florida. Well, Florida sucks. Auburn's no good. You know, you just got back to back wins in the sec.
- [46:27]
Ryan Lemond
We won.
- [46:28]
Shannon
Give yourself some credit.
- [46:29]
Matt Jones
Yeah, it's like you just get I don't understand that. And then some. Another person writes. What do you think about Marcus and Jeff Teague saying they're worried about Kentucky basketball because we don't have stars anymore? I love Marcus and Jeff Teague. They're hilarious. I wouldn't exactly call them intellectuals. No, they're awesome, those two guys. Jeff Teague makes me laugh as much as anyone in sports right now. With that said, their version of what Kentucky basketball should be is what Cal had, which was a ton of stars coming in, which we liked. But it wasn't working anymore. It wasn't?
- [47:07]
Drew Franklin
No.
- [47:07]
Matt Jones
I. I said this yesterday, and, Ryan, I want to know what you think about this. I said that the book on Mark Pope has yet to be written. It's a. It's a novel that hasn't been. It's like, we're 30 pages into it. It. It might end up being a great book, a classic. It might end up being a book that doesn't work, but we don't know yet. But here's what I know. The book on Cal Perry was closed. It was finished. I was done with it. It was a great book. I loved it. But then I got to the end, and I was ready for a new book.
- [47:42]
Shannon
It had a sad ending.
- [47:43]
Matt Jones
It was kind of like Game of.
- [47:44]
Drew Franklin
Thrones got to the very end. I was like, yeah, God, I was loving you.
- [47:46]
Matt Jones
But this is.
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Commercial Announcer
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- [47:48]
Matt Jones
It's a great example. It's like Game of Thrones. You're like, man, season two was awesome.
- [47:52]
Drew Franklin
Those first seasons were incredible.
- [47:54]
Matt Jones
They were amazing. But you know what? They could have stuck the ending a little bit. This is a new book, and we'll see what happens.
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Ryan Lemond
The Mark book book is even one, I think I would sit down and read. You know, when you read a book. Oh, I would. I would read the Mark Pope book. Some chapters are a little disappointing. Some chapters make you happy. I think we had a lot more happy chapters coming than we do disappointing chapters.
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Matt Jones
It's tough for you to make book analogies.
- [48:16]
Ryan Lemond
It really is. But I thought I nailed that one. I thought I did a pretty good job on that one.
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Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Commercial Announcer
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
I don't know if that's true, by the way. Weekend watching, when you're not watching UK sports, that movie on Netflix about James Garfield's really good. Like the. The. It's about the guy who assassinated James Garfield, and he's 15 minutes in. He's played by Tom Wolpat from Succession. You know, Shiv's husband. Yeah, it's. I. I'm Tell. It doesn't sound like it'd be good, but everybody would like it. It's called Death by Lightning and it's on Netflix. It's only four episodes. I finished three. Really, really good. Who's next? Greg is up next. Greg. Go ahead, Greg.
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Caller
Good morning, gentlemen. How's it going?
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Matt Jones
Doing good.
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Caller
Yeah. I wanted to make a. Just a few comments, if I may. First of all, let me say in defense of Coach Pope, I'm overall well pleased with him being hired as the coach the University of Kentucky and pleased with Mitch Barnhart decision to hire him. But, you know, based on what you had said in the beginning of your show about something going on with what he said in his press conference, that we don't know what that is and. But seems like the Louisville game, you know, Coach Pope seems like last year pretty much.
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Matt Jones
Brandon, answer volume down. Go ahead.
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Caller
I'm sorry.
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Matt Jones
No, go ahead.
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Caller
Yeah, it seems like last year Coach Pope had answers when Kentucky was not playing good. He would go in at halftime and come up with a plan. But I don't know if somebody's already made this comment. Maybe this has affected him more than it has a team. And it's Perry to the team in the Louisville game because he did not seem to have any answers at all. He didn't try anything. He couldn't slow down Louisville at all. And I know he don't play. I understand that he's on the side.
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Matt Jones
Well, I do think he did. I do think he had answers. It just took him too long to get him. I mean, we played well in the last.
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Caller
Cam Williams.
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Matt Jones
Well, that's an answer.
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Caller
Part of the answer.
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Matt Jones
First of all, our defense got a lot better. One of the things they started to do is they started immediately pressuring Mikhail. Mikhail Brown. The moment he got the ball. Go back and watch the possessions in the last 10 minutes, they got it out of his hands. And they said, okay, Cromwell, I keep forgetting McNeely, I'm gonna make you beat us. Going to the rim. And they really weren't able to. So they made a couple big. The biggest was they got the ball out of Brown's hands most of the time. Now, Louisville countered that late in the game they would set double screens which would get him one on one. And that big play where he got the. And one biggest play of the game occurred during that. But he. They did make changes. Now, I. I think it took too long, but they did make change.
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Caller
That definitely helps him for. Let me say I didn't watch the game. I usually have the Game on the radio with Tom Le got given.
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Ryan Lemond
Well, how do you know he didn't make any changes?
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Caller
Well, based on what I heard on the radio. That's why.
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Matt Jones
Because I'm sorry, man.
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Drew Franklin
I appreciate.
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Matt Jones
I do appreciate. I got to go to break. Thank you. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. Wow, that was incredible. Take a break. We'll be right back. This is Kentucky Sports Radio.
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