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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts wherever you get your podcasts.
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Maggie Freeling
The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
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Matt Jones
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.
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Maggie Freeling
Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
I'm Jonathan Goldstein and on the new season of Heavyweight.
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Matt Jones
And so I pointed the gun at.
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
Him and said, this isn't a joke. A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old and a centenarian rediscovers a lost 80 years ago.
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Caller / Listener
How can one 1 year old woman fall in love again?
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Matt Jones
You know the shade is always shadiest right here. Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryan and Robyn Dixon is here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs and reality news you can handle. And you know we don't hold back.
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Drew Franklin
So come be reasonable or shady with.
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Matt Jones
Us each and every Monday. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Comedy Off Broadway in Lexington Welcome Cincinnati.
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Drew Franklin
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Matt Jones
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Drew Franklin
Broadway.Com.
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Matt Jones
This is Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage.
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Drew Franklin
Now here's Matt Jones.
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Matt Jones
Welcome everyone. This is Kentucky Sports Radio Wednesday, November 19th. I am Matt Jones here at the KS Bar and Grill. It is Wednesday dollar starting at 11 o' clock when we open the door. Last night this place was packed with Kentucky fans excited. But it didn't turn out well for them or for all the folks listening at home. You can give us Shannon Clark's pump at the foot shop. Phone line 859-280-2287. We are going to take a bunch of calls today. I want to see the pulse of the fan base. I don't think it's good but I would like to see it. A vision auto glass text machine. 772-774-5254 in this dish and sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. You call TJ will make them pay. Want to recognize first got a couple folks in here. First of all, this guy's from Jupiter, Florida.
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Ryan Lemond
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Came to visit his cousin and this is his first trip to the bar. Tough day but that's okay because you're still going to enjoy it. And then three generations of this family. You want to talk about a family looking like each other. This is grandmother, mother, daughter and they all. If you can't tell those three are related, then you're not. Then you're not trying.
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Drew Franklin
We all knew it as soon as they walked in the door. Like you know who that is. Our boy over here is listening to our show on six different continents.
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Matt Jones
Six different. Which one Antarctica is the only one that one you've done. Well, which one haven't you done? Australia. All right, well you, we can't have had many Antarctica listeners so when I get the little map, I never see that on there. So I appreciate it. Well, look, last night was a disaster on all fronts. I, in some ways I'm not sure it could have gone much worse unless something had happened to the building. I mean it was, it was, it was awful. The team played terrible, the players looked disengaged and awful. And then after the game, somehow I almost felt like was worse than the game with the, with the, with the way the post game comments went. You know we can, there's a lot of different directions we can go. I think the least interesting one is the basketball because it was so bad. I mean it was an absolute pitiful display of basketball on all sides. Defense was terrible. I mean, you know, J. Bill has said Michigan State was essentially running their offense as if it was a shoot around and I think that's probably correct. Shot the ball poorly and then effort, especially in the second half seemed non existent. Ryan I mean I expected that we could lose yesterday. I mean I thought we would win But I thought, you know, it was possible we could lose. The idea that we would get run off the floor by that team was just not something I foresaw.
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Drew Franklin
Me neither. You're right. That was a beat down. That was an embarrassing beat down by a team. You know, after the Louisville loss, was a bad loss, but I didn't feel any different about our team.
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Matt Jones
Me either.
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Drew Franklin
But boy, after this loss, I feel a lot different about our team because there's something off, there's some issues, there's some things on. I will get into it, but there's just something not right about this team. And I never thought we were going to be this poor defensive team. I really thought they were going to be a really good defensive team. Start to see.
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Matt Jones
I thought they were going to be like potentially an elite defense.
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Drew Franklin
I did too. Yeah, I think we even said that.
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Matt Jones
And while I was very bummed that we lost low, I was like, well, the one positive is we'll be even better on defense. And we were much worse.
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Ryan Lemond
That was a disaster.
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Drew Franklin
It was a disaster.
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Ryan Lemond
I was getting shots for saying Michigan State can't shoot. Well, they can shoot if you just let them have target practice. Anyone at that level of basketball can hit wide open threes. I couldn't believe the looks they were getting.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, and, and, and they knocked me. I mean, had four in the first three minutes. You know, I. Honestly, I. I don't know. There's a lot to dwell on on the basketball, except the defense is terrible. The offense looks very stagnant and, and I don't know. That's the one thing I don't know how it gets fixed because I think unless low plays, I still think you got a real problem with guys beating, beating people off the dribble. And unlike last year, which couldn't really beat teams off the dribble, but you could shoot. We can't shoot. So that combination is not a. Is not a good combination. Brandon Garrison had one of the sort of epically bad performances I've seen in a while, including some. There's some clips out there of him.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
You know, just completely loggy gag. And we still don't know what's happened with Otega away. And it's. It's just not good. Now, the more, I think, interesting conversation, the one people are talking about is kind of the whole overall demeanor of the team. This looks like, for me, three things. Number one, and most importantly, it looks like Mark, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but it looks like he's completely Lost as to what to do. He just completely looks. He has been out game planned and like, on an unbelievable level these last two games.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah. Coached Louisville game in Michigan and just.
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Matt Jones
Completely like the other team's getting layups and we're struggling to even get a shot off. I also like his whole demeanor. I mean, I, you know, we heard when he came here from byu, this is a guy that takes losing seriously and it hurts him, and I prefer that over. Well, at least I got to go get to see my dogs. But sometimes you can take things, you know, a little. And I have to tell you, if you only saw the post game interviews he had with the media and then specifically with Jeff Goodman, you'd have been like, I'm worried about that guy. I mean, you would have. You. You would have said that. I don't want to say he takes it too hard, but it's like, man, okay, that. That doesn't look good. Then the team chemistry, it looks like a group of people don't like each other. I mean, I don't understand how that is, because it doesn't seem like any of them are bad guys, but they do not seem to like each other. And that's really surprising to me because I was around them during the beginning of the year, and they seemed to like each other. So you go, well, what happened with that? And then just the whole vibe of, you know, now the $22 million and all these guys with the money. And by the way, I don't buy any of that when it's saying the money. These other teams are making money and they're playing well. So it's not the money. It. Maybe it's our specific reaction to it, but other teams are doing fine. So the. All three of those issues, Ryan, are very worrisome.
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Drew Franklin
And about the players, you know, the. The mass substitution seemed to work last year because they seem to be supportive.
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Matt Jones
I hated them last year, but they seem to be.
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Drew Franklin
It seemed to work at times, support with each other.
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Matt Jones
I felt like we were having this conversation last year all the time about mass substitution.
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Drew Franklin
The mass substitution this year definitely just kills every vibe, every momentum, everything we got going on when he does it. But about Pope, you know, in a time of crisis, we look to our leaders, and so we're looking to our leader, and he's making it worse. After the Louisville game, he made it worse, and after the last night, he made it worse. We need. We need. He's our leader. You know, that's why we look for him for guidance, for. To help Us, I mean, there's a.
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Matt Jones
Middle ground between like Baghdad Bob, Everything is fine. We are winning. It's great. And you know, Droopy Dog, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a fine line there. You have to project confidence while also acknowledging pain. I'm trying to think, you know, they used to say Bill Clinton was good at that. When I think of coaches that are good at that, I don't know, not sure. Who do you think's really good at that? Kind of. When they lose, you still feel like this is going to. I don't know. There's no way it comes to mind immediately. But I know whatever it is is not what I saw last night.
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Ryan Lemond
No, I'm glad he feels it. When they lose, that's what you want, but you can't just. I don't say he's a baby and going and hiding, but Tom Leach waited for like an hour. They had to get Darren Hedrick to call in from a car. It sounded like to fill time.
- [10:48]
Matt Jones
If you were listening to radio broadcast. They did like a 17 minute interview trying to fill time because he was so late. I mean, you have a job better than anybody, Drew. There's never been a coach that took longer to come out than Pope did last.
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Ryan Lemond
And I would say the two closest people to Pope and his staff in the national media right now are Goodman and Norlander. And they're the ones tweeting like, where is he? Norlander? But like 45 minutes, still waiting on Pope. I get your hurt and I like that you're hurt, but I just think that's a bad look. Not just making the people wait, but kind of to Ryan's point, you need to come out and show it. Put a gun, put on a good front and kind of give some confidence even though it was so bad or some kind of an explanation. Not what he did. I texted Billy during the radio interview with Tom Leach. It was like two minutes in. I was like, billy, he's doing Tom wrong here. He's given one more answers and Tom's tripping over questions. And it's almost like he was. I don't want to say smart alec, but that. What was the quote you brought up.
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Matt Jones
On post game part that was bad is he said, what did you say to the team in the locker room? And he said, we said some things.
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Ryan Lemond
And then just paused.
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Matt Jones
I mean, that's. I'm not saying Mark is this because I don't think he is. I think Mark's a really good guy. But that's the kind of thing a jerk would say. Like, that's what a jerk would say. If you said to a jerk, what did you say to him? We said some things and just. And then just stop. Like, that would be what a jerk would say. Now, Mark's not a jerk, and he didn't even say it in that tone. But if you just read that quote, that's the. That's. That's a horrible quote. If Kylo Perry said that quote, I would have said, cal, you're being a jerk. If Billy Gillespie said that quote, we would have been like, that's why you got to be fired. You're an ass. Now, Mark didn't say it in that tone, but the words are the words, you know, What'd you say to the team? We said some things and then in.
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Ryan Lemond
Press conferences and radio interviews aren't the.
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Matt Jones
End of the world.
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Ryan Lemond
But it showed me he has no answer or no grip of his.
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Matt Jones
Like, you know, it was very emotional. I want to keep that in the locker room. Okay, I'll accept that. But we said some things. I just. I. When people. It's weird because Tom Leach is such a nice man that sometimes I think, like, when people are weird to him, then that's really not good. Like, it's one thing if you're weird to me, but when you're weird to Tom, Tom Lee, Tom Leach, like, he's the nicest guy in the world.
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Drew Franklin
Tom was doing the best he could to try to get something out of Pope last night. And Park Mope is not a jerk. But to use that word, since we've said it, he was being a jerk last night.
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Matt Jones
I don't know.
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Drew Franklin
To one of the questions, because he.
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Matt Jones
Asked, like, when you were a player.
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Drew Franklin
At Kentucky, did you have any sort of.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Yeah, he did.
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Matt Jones
Similar advers. He. I don't know. I don't know.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
He said, did you have any adversity as a player at Kentucky or in the pros? And he said, I don't know. I was listening.
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Ryan Lemond
I'm like, put Darren back on at the drive thru to talk about the women's team.
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Matt Jones
Just a little behind the scenes. I mean, the JMI postgame thing with the coach is supposed to be three segments, right? Okay. And. And it varies in length. I hear all of them because I'm sitting there waiting to go on the air. And sometimes I'm like, well, you hurry up, because I got blabbing to do. And then sometimes I'm like, I want to hear what you had to say.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
His.
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Matt Jones
He did three segments. They could only do two.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
Because he didn't even give them enough to do three. And it was 3 minutes and 11 seconds. Two minutes of it was Tom trying to ask questions. I mean, it was. And then you're right about Norlander and Goodman. I think that's important because, you know, there are certain medium members that become, in my opinion, almost the voice of the coach. Okay. Because they know so early in the Cal era, I think that was me. And then it became like De Courcey and Greenberg. Like, when they talked, you knew that's what Cal meant.
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Drew Franklin
Well, for.
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Matt Jones
For Pope, I think it's Norlander and Goodman. And when they both say, this is the most down I've ever seen, Mark Pope, that's not a good sign, right? No.
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Drew Franklin
You know, staying in the locker room for 50 minutes, they obviously are having some sort of heart to heart. And he came out of it like more down than we went in the locker room. I feel like his interview with Goodman, man, just to see him and then we'll hear him. What he said to Goodman is like, that wasn't good. It was not good at all.
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Matt Jones
Inspiring at all.
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Ryan Lemond
And adding to that last year. And Pope says this about everything.
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
He.
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Ryan Lemond
He's such an intelligent guy. He likes the puzzles. He likes figuring things out. He likes the challenge. I like having to think outside the box. I got to figure this out now. It's just like, I don't know what's going on. Yeah. I don't have an answer.
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Matt Jones
Like, it's just insane. What was his final thing? Like, we're gonna have a great year.
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Drew Franklin
We're gonna get it right. We're gonna turn it around.
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Matt Jones
He said something that. It was like a very definitive. I'll look it up. But it was, we won't fail. That's right. We're not going to fail. That's a very strong statement. Well, that's what we need to hear from our state.
- [15:37]
Drew Franklin
Yes. Yes. I just need to hear more of that. Yes. We're mad. He's obviously mad. He's upset. But still, you are the face and the leader of our program. We need you to step up and be a good leader for us.
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Matt Jones
Well, I'm not sure you could have gone worse last night.
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Drew Franklin
It was awful.
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Matt Jones
I mean, it was awful. And if you talk to the people at the game, they are even more down about it than the people that weren't because they were seeing the body language of the players that we didn't see on camera. Like, I. I probably had Five or six people at the game say to me, man, we look bad. And I'll even go. I talked to someone I know in New York who is not even a basketball fan, and they just happen to be at that game. Their work went. And she sent me a message and said, kentucky's playing. You all look sad. And I was like, well, for her.
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Drew Franklin
To recognize that we are sad.
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Matt Jones
She meant the players, though. You all look sad.
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Ryan Lemond
I was so jealous of everyone in New York. I love New York this time of year. It ruined Christmas for me. I hope they don't put the Rockefeller tree up. Don't even do the Macy's Thanksgiving parade, because it'll just remind me, as those floats come down, of Michigan State shooters coming down and getting wide open shots. That should have been a special trip, but now we've gone to the Garden twice in Pope's first two years and.
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Matt Jones
Gotten absolutely drilled, absolutely shellacked. Well, it was. That was bad. And I. Now the question is, where do you go from here? I was on the phone a lot this morning. There's a lot going on. And now, of course, as. As you could be expected, the big talk is what happened in that locker room against Louisville. I mean, that. And. And Mark said that that's his fault. He did that. And so now that continues to be the question. We'll talk about it and we will take your calls. 859-280-2287. We're here at KS Bar and Grill. This is Kentucky Sports Radio. You know, one touchdown can change everything. The crowd, the momentum, the game itself. It never gets old. Well, you can feel the same rush with the Draft King Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL, where every touchdown can bring you closer to cashing in. With DraftKings Sportsbook, all the actions in your hands first touchdown, anytime touchdown, live bets, every play, every snap, every game matters. And here's the best part. New customers bet just $5. If your bet wins, you get $200 in bonus bets instantly. When your team hits the end zone, you hit the payout. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use my code KSR. That's code KSR. Bet five bucks and get $200 in bonus bets. If your bet wins, it's in partnership with DraftKings. The Crown is yours. And if you have a gaming problem, call one here. Gambler in New York, call 877-8-HOPE and-Y or text hoping why 46736 at 9 in Connecticut, problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas. Pass through of ProAgency tax may apply in Illinois 21/ age and eligibility restrictions vary by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. Restrictions apply but must win to receive bonus bets. Will expire in seven days. Minimum odds required for additional terms. Responsible Gaming Resources DKNG Co Audio Limited.
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
Time Offer A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught, the answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and I want to tell you about my new podcast called the Mailroom.
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Matt Jones
And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking but aren't because guys.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone.
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Matt Jones
Depends which bone.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Well, that's true. Every week we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom.
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Matt Jones
You mean sleep?
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Yeah, something like that. Jordan, we'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about.
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Matt Jones
It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Men's Health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence and connection. We don't just want you to live longer, we want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
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Caller / Listener
All I know is what I've been.
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Matt Jones
Told, and that's a half truth is a whole lie.
- [20:32]
Maggie Freeling
For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
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Caller / Listener
I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.
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Maggie Freeling
We know a story that Law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.
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Caller / Listener
Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky.
- [21:02]
Ryan Lemond
Housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.
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Maggie Freeling
My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.
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Matt Jones
I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her.
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Caller / Listener
They made me say that I poured gas on her.
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Maggie Freeling
From Lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.
- [21:40]
Matt Jones
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.
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Maggie Freeling
Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcast.
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Dr. Jesse Mills
Foreign.
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Matt Jones
Welcome back, Kee Sports Radio. I. I just need to say a couple things. This is from people on the text machine and online. Everybody's got to stop with the we need a new coach. Fire Pope or saying we're suggesting that. I'm having reasonable discussions. All right? He can have a terrible year. He not going anywhere, and he shouldn't. Right? Like, that's just the reality. But we got to talk about this as adults. And when you lose a game, you don't just go, fire, poke, fire, poke. Like, I'm just. No, I'm just saying. But you call a spade a spade, right? I mean, that means when I. If I go eat at Arby's and the food's not good, I'm not saying shut down all Arby's. I'm saying, hey, Arby's make a better roast beef sandwich. Right? That's kind of what this is, Mark. Let's make a better roast beef sandwich.
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Ryan Lemond
When they should bring the 5 for 5 back.
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Matt Jones
I haven't eaten RV in a long time, to be fair, but go ahead.
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Drew Franklin
When Mark Pope met with you before he's coached his first game, he said, when. When I needed to be ripped, I want you to rip me.
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Matt Jones
Well, he said that and he's getting his request.
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Drew Franklin
Yes.
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Matt Jones
Because congratulations. I mean, but I gave him credit for that. Listen, I give him credit for acknowledging how bad we are. I just don't want him to be so sad because I need somebody to, you know, if on. Let me use up another political on 9 11. Okay. That was a sad day. I know that was much sadder than this. But one of the things I always thought George Bush did well is he projected the hurt people felt. But then he stood on that rubble and said, they'll pay for.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah, right, right.
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Matt Jones
And there was. That was probably his finest hour. Right. That's. You know, Nick Saban does a good job about that. Nick Saban, somebody pointed out, is a good one. Like, you lose. You could tell he's angry, but he's also like, all right, now we're. We're coming. Whereas, like, Dabo is always like, we're fine. The Lord's going to make sure we beat Clint, beat Duke next week. And you're like, come on, Cheeseball. I. You got to find what that message is.
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Drew Franklin
Yeah. I don't. I don't want what we saw last night from Pope, and I don't want Kyle Perry talking about going to see his dog.
- [24:13]
Matt Jones
There's got to be a middle guy.
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Drew Franklin
And like, Tubby, when he'd come and do after a big loss, he could tell he was hurt, he was down, but he would. At least he would talk to you and answer your questions and talk. Be respectful to Tom Leach in the post game show.
- [24:25]
Matt Jones
Couple things I need to happen immediately. Number one, I need Brandon Garrison not to start for a little while. Okay. Because that's. He's maybe the most frustrating.
- [24:34]
Drew Franklin
He's getting worse, it seems like.
- [24:36]
Ryan Lemond
That was my big point on pregame. I said, this is his last chance. He goes to sit by Walker Horn.
- [24:40]
Matt Jones
If he doesn't play well to some, move somebody else and start. And I need Mo Di Bate to never shoot ever in, ever. Like, he has the worst shot I've ever seen. He seems to shoot from his belly button and. And it. And you talk about not thinking a shot. You remember I used to say last year that if. If Amari or Garrison shot a three, I was like, well, that's not going with Diabatti. If it's in the air, I'll bet every dollar I have, it's not going. I mean, it. He. I like him as a player, and he does a lot of good things, but I need him not shooting three. And if he. And then, you know, I don't know if in Pope's system, can you have a four that doesn't shoot threes?
- [25:17]
Ryan Lemond
That's my big question. I love the abate. I don't know, but Pope wants a five out. 33 is a game team, and I'm looking at his roster going, sir, I think you forgot the shooters to go in that office.
- [25:27]
Matt Jones
I mean, we don't have. Our startup has three guys that can't shoot right now.
- [25:33]
Ryan Lemond
How about Aberdeen? When that man misses, he's gonna miss. He had another Air Ball 3 last night, and it was open. I mean, he had a good game against Louisville in the second half. We need him. But he makes his misses count when he misses a three.
- [25:45]
Matt Jones
You know, as Cedric the Entertainer would say, when we break, we break. When he misses, he misses.
- [25:52]
Ryan Lemond
He's got to be a. Chasing a record for airball threes.
- [25:55]
Matt Jones
Yeah. All right. 8 5, 9, 2 8, 0, 2, 28 7. Who's up first?
- [25:58]
Drew Franklin
Let's go to Mike.
- [25:59]
Matt Jones
Mike. Go ahead, Mike.
- [26:03]
Caller / Listener
Good morning, everyone.
- [26:05]
Matt Jones
Did you say Park Mo?
- [26:07]
Drew Franklin
I'm. It wouldn't surprise me if I did. I don't remember.
- [26:09]
Matt Jones
People are saying you said park Mo. I didn't hear that.
- [26:12]
Drew Franklin
Well, we know who we're talking about. For today, he's Park Mo.
- [26:15]
Matt Jones
Okay. Park. Maybe today he is. Yeah. All right, Go ahead, Mike.
- [26:22]
Caller / Listener
So just let you know I'm here in Knoxville, Tennessee. I'm a huge UK fan, originally from Kentucky. This past year, been. I've been married for five years, and this is the first year that my wife has allowed me to put up my UK tree. So I put it up this week before the. You know, before this game, and I was like, okay, after the Louisville loss, I'm gonna put this up. So I put it up, and I'm all celebrating, and then last night happens, and then.
- [26:52]
Matt Jones
So this may be your fault, though. Your UK Christmas tree in Knoxville, you think maybe took it down?
- [26:59]
Caller / Listener
Well, you know, I'm. I'm hurting, but this is. This is what I want to say. This is one of Brandon Garrison.
- [27:06]
Matt Jones
Yes. Trash.
- [27:07]
Caller / Listener
I'm sorry.
- [27:10]
Matt Jones
We don't. We don't. We don't call players names. I mean, I'm okay saying the way he plays is. But, like, we can't do that.
- [27:20]
Caller / Listener
Okay? Brandon Garrison's. The way he played was trash, okay?
- [27:23]
Matt Jones
I'll give you that.
- [27:25]
Caller / Listener
Marino needs to be starting. He's a freshman. I get it, but he's got. There's so much ceiling. You know, he, like, He's. He can do so much more, but this is my thing, the chemistry of this team. There's. There is some huge issues, man. And you can just tell. The pre game, before the game started, the.
- [27:46]
Ryan Lemond
The.
- [27:47]
Caller / Listener
The. I. I was watching, like, you know, they were panning over to the UK bench, and they were looking at Mississippi or Michigan State, and I Seen the Michigan State players all up and. And in uniform and ready to go. I look over here at Kentucky's bench and. And they're. This is before they introduce the players. They're all just like kind of laid back, setting back on the.
- [28:06]
Matt Jones
Well, let's talk about that for a minute. I appreciate the call. Let's talk about that. Chemistry clearly an issue. Why do you think that's the case?
- [28:16]
Ryan Lemond
Something's going on. I don't know it. And I was hesitant to just start believing stuff after Louisville because I thought that's a true road game. There probably was something, but it probably wasn't anything big. Now, after seeing that something's got to be going on. I don't have the answer, but something is going on.
- [28:30]
Matt Jones
Something's going on. I mean, I don't know what it is. You know, I knew Oscar and Severe didn't like each other and the team was split with most people on severe side. But Oscar was the good player. So, like, I could pinpoint what that. I don't know what this is. I don't know who's on whose side. I don't know who doesn't like each other. There are rumors flying around. I don't think they're true, but I don't know. Like, I don't know if there was a fight in the locker room. Jack seemed to suggest maybe there was, but I don't know if he's just throwing that out there. I don't know. I have no idea. But I know this, whatever it is, it wasn't handled correctly because. Because clearly the team I watched run onto the floor versus Purdue is not the team I'm watching now. And they don't seem to like each other.
- [29:16]
Drew Franklin
Something's off. And when Jack Givens brings it up, you can.
- [29:19]
Matt Jones
Well, let's talk. I want to talk about what Jack and Travis said because Jack Givens and Travis Ford both said something and I give them a lot of credibility. And we'll talk about why that is right after this. Be right back.
- [29:32]
Drew Franklin
T.J. smith, personal injury attorney.
- [29:34]
Ryan Lemond
Call T.J. he'll make him pay.
- [29:36]
Matt Jones
Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones. Welcome back. Kentucky Sports Radio. 859-280-2287. Text Machine, 772-7745254. Okay, so you did say Park Mo.
- [29:52]
Drew Franklin
I think last night. It's a perfect name for him. Park Mo.
- [29:56]
Matt Jones
When Mark actually, if you're gonna ever say Park Mope last night, because he did kind of mope.
- [30:00]
Drew Franklin
He did Kind of mope. When Stoops got beat. We called him Mark Poops a couple times. So now I think we all have done it before.
- [30:07]
Matt Jones
No, I've never done it. Yeah, like, don't. Don't say Shannon, have you. Did I ever call him Mark Poops? I did not. That is you. I can guarantee you that. I've never said it. I do not believe Drew's ever said it. No, he has. Drew, you have.
- [30:24]
Drew Franklin
You know, you.
- [30:25]
Ryan Lemond
I've said mark Poops.
- [30:28]
Matt Jones
I don't think you.
- [30:29]
Drew Franklin
We all said it.
- [30:31]
Matt Jones
I have not said it.
- [30:32]
Drew Franklin
You did. One time.
- [30:34]
Matt Jones
That is a complete lie, Mr. Mope. All right, so let's talk about Jack G. And Travis Forts. Okay, so Jack Given said he. He said on the post game press conference or. Excuse me, in the post game when they were filling time to try to get. Till Mark got there, that last year, that team. Now, remember, Jack is around practice, like, every day. So this is not a guy who's just. This isn't just us giving an opinion. He's in practice every day. He said last year all of those guys had an intense need to prove that they should be at Kentucky, that all those guys, they had played at Drexel and all these schools, and they wanted to prove that they were needed to be at Kentucky, and that's why they gave such. Such energy. And he said, this group just doesn't have. That was essentially what he said. I tried to just call Jack and ask him, come on, he's in a meeting. Said he couldn't do it today, but he'd do it another time. Travis Ford apparently said in an interview last week that this team just had no chemistry and didn't get along. Now he, too, has been in practice. That's not an opinion. He has called three of our games, and as such, he gets to go to practice in the days leading up to it. So that's two guys who are seeing practice. Right. This is not just random people. How much validity do you give to those two things?
- [31:53]
Drew Franklin
I give a lot of validity to it. You said nobody's closer to that team outside of the players and the coaches than Jack Givens. He travels with them. He's there at every practice. When he says something, I listen.
- [32:04]
Ryan Lemond
I heard Travis on the chemistry thing. I think he meant more basketball chemistry, but it's still a problem.
- [32:08]
Matt Jones
So he didn't. He wasn't talking.
- [32:10]
Ryan Lemond
I mean, I can't speak for him, but. What. He might have said it in a different interview, but I did hear him do an interview. But he was saying, like basketball chemistry, they still have to figure out which is a problem in itself.
- [32:18]
Matt Jones
Yeah, that, that, that's clear.
- [32:20]
Ryan Lemond
I, I am starting to. Hey, something's going on that I don't know. But I think even if they liked each other, I think they have a big problem just with how the roster sp.
- [32:29]
Matt Jones
I think, I think in the NIL era, your general manager constructioning of this becomes very, very important. Maybe as important as coaching. And I agree with you. I don't think they're cons. They. I had a nagging suspicion about the shooting going into this year. And it's not. I don't know. I don't know if that's going to get better. I mean, I don't know what are you going to do to make this team shoot better? Especially if low doesn't come back. I mean, flow doesn't come back. They're going to have a real shooting problem.
- [33:01]
Ryan Lemond
A light needs to go off for Cam Williams and he needs to be the four now. Right now. That light hadn't really gone off. He's gotten a little better. But they have to have more shooters. I think always biggest problem. Everybody's trying to figure out if it's money, NBA, whatever. I just think he doesn't have any lanes. If you go watch his highlights last year, he'd get the ball going downhill. No thinking straight to the rim and finish. It's just clogged. And often the ball sticking on offense. They need shooters to for how Pope runs that offense.
- [33:25]
Matt Jones
There's also a play early in the game where he beat his man and he had his lane and he let the guy block him from behind. I don't remember him ever doing that last year. I mean, usually if he got a step on you, he was scoring and probably getting an and one. And he let him. He let him block him last.
- [33:39]
Drew Franklin
Do you take anything from that video clip of away last night on the post game?
- [33:43]
Matt Jones
Okay. So if you saw the press conference, it looked like he was rolling his eyes. There were two angles. There's the angle right below him where it definitely looks like he's rolling his eyes.
- [33:52]
Drew Franklin
Yeah.
- [33:52]
Matt Jones
But then somebody else posted an angle from the other side and it didn't really look like that there. And so as Mario's video videoing sometimes show, life is about angles. You know, sometimes Mario could put a video out of me where I'm like, man, I gotta do something. And then last night he put one out so good. Somebody thought I was on. I had Botox and so. Which I haven't I mean, maybe I should, but. So I think a life is about angles. So maybe the angles, you know, maybe he didn't roll his eyes. I don't know, but it looked like he rolled his eyes from the one video.
- [34:27]
Ryan Lemond
Yeah, the old way thing didn't bother as much. They just got whooped. I was rolling my eyes, too. Let's all roll our eyes. After that game. One thing that I did have concerns. A couple people texted me before the game even tipped off. And you said it on the postgame show, Pope walking into that arena looked like a man walking into a job he hates.
- [34:41]
Matt Jones
Okay, so let's talk about that.
- [34:42]
Ryan Lemond
That concerned me more than the away post game clip.
- [34:44]
Matt Jones
That looked like a guy that. That. So I didn't see that before it happened. I didn't see it till after the game. But there's a video of him walking in before the game, and he looks like a man who life has beaten up, and he's going into his accounting job going, what have I done with my youth?
- [35:03]
Drew Franklin
He did.
- [35:04]
Matt Jones
That's what he looked like. And I know that's not how he feels, but he looked awful, didn't he?
- [35:08]
Drew Franklin
Okay, I have a theory, all right?
- [35:10]
Matt Jones
I want to hear it.
- [35:11]
Drew Franklin
My theory is that they know Jalen Lowe's not coming back, and he's already, for the second year in a row, he's going to have to do this deal without his star point guard. They built everything around Jalen Lowe. You've called him, you know, the MVP of the team. I think they've made the decision. He's not going to play.
- [35:27]
Matt Jones
All right, Is that Scoop, or is that Scuttle?
- [35:29]
Drew Franklin
Maybe a little scuttlebutt.
- [35:31]
Matt Jones
Maybe. Maybe is a word that you just need to. I give you the chance to do scooper, scuttlebutt. You can't then go even further to maybe I'm going to go. Or is it Scuttle?
- [35:43]
Drew Franklin
No, because they, of course, they could change their mind today.
- [35:46]
Matt Jones
Or is it a guess?
- [35:48]
Drew Franklin
I think there's a strong possibility that he's not coming back.
- [35:52]
Matt Jones
Okay.
- [35:54]
Drew Franklin
And I think maybe that.
- [35:55]
Matt Jones
Can you say scuttlebutt, though?
- [35:57]
Drew Franklin
Well, I think maybe because, like I said, they could. They could change their mind today. After last night, they mean like, okay, I got to come back and save this team, you know?
- [36:04]
Matt Jones
So you would say. All right, let me put a different way. You would say, going into last night's game, he wasn't coming.
- [36:09]
Drew Franklin
I think that was a very strong possibility, yes.
- [36:11]
Matt Jones
Okay. That's not. You're Giving yourself an out. The Lamar Wilkinson Hawkinson thing is still hurt.
- [36:15]
Drew Franklin
Yes, he does that.
- [36:17]
Ryan Lemond
That's what it is.
- [36:18]
Matt Jones
Now he's not. Now he's not doing his. His thing. I. I'll give you some backup. Yesterday afternoon, it was floating around lakes, and he's not coming back. And. And that's. That's what everybody was saying. And if you listen to Mark Pope's answer in the post game, he says, I don't have anything for you on that. That doesn't mean he doesn't have an answer. Maybe they look at this after last night and they do otherwise, but I. I am now moving my brain into the. Jalen Lowe's not going to. To play. And if Jaylen Low does not play, my ceiling for this team is different. Even if they get all their stuff together, we're not winning a national championship without Jaylen Jay, if. If you listen to me, all year, the key to this team. What did I say? All year, you have to have Jaylen Low. You have to. And if we don't, it's a different team. I'm not saying it's a team that can't be good. I'm not even saying it's a team that can't be great. But I don't think it's a team that can reach its full potential. You have to have that guy. And if you don't have him, I think you got to go find somebody. Like, if he's not playing, I got to go. I mean, now you can find people in the G League. I don't know. Maybe Bronnie can play. Like, you can get your. I mean, the rules have changed. You got to go get somebody. In my opinion, Drew, if you don't have Jaylen Lowe.
- [37:28]
Ryan Lemond
Yeah. I've never expected him back. I said that day at Sky Bar, someone should infinity. Someone should already be in Europe right now. I mean, I know as fans, we want him back, but if you're Jalen Lowe and you write your pros and cons down, there are a lot more pros for not playing than why you should play.
- [37:43]
Matt Jones
Well, you got an extra year. I mean, one. And again, people may not like this, but you got to put yourself in the arm, in the. In the position of the kid. A, you can get yourself healthy. B, you now get another year of college basketball. If you come back and play six more games, you've now used up your year of eligibility. Yeah, he's only played two games. He can get another year of eligibility now. He could play two more years and for a kid like that, he's probably not going to the pros. That could be a 3, 4 million dollar decision. You, I mean, I couldn't blame him, could you?
- [38:16]
Ryan Lemond
Well, even before last night, I said I would sit out if I were Jalen Lowe. And now that we see the team has problems, why would I risk my arm for a team that doesn't even like each other?
- [38:23]
Matt Jones
That's true. If you're sitting there watching the team fight, you're like, well, I start looking.
- [38:27]
Ryan Lemond
Out for my shoulder at that point. Not selfish as a person, but he, if he plays until January, toughen it out and then re injuries. It needs surgery in February. Now he's hurt himself for next year and set the team back. So he's got to look out for himself. And with the two results they've had in the meaningful games, I think it pushes them farther away.
- [38:44]
Matt Jones
We have to go get a point guard.
- [38:46]
Drew Franklin
They have to. Because even though I think gotta be somebody, Denzel is a good backup. He's not the guy that's going to lead you to a big run. I think a point guard. So I think it's plausible that the Jalen Lowe hangover had a little bit of an effect on Pope going into last night.
- [39:01]
Matt Jones
That would, I mean, that's not a terrible explanation. Who's next? Jackson. Jackson. Go ahead, Jackson.
- [39:09]
Caller / Listener
Hey, guys. How's it going this morning?
- [39:11]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [39:14]
Caller / Listener
Yeah, that's the way I feel too. I got a quick question and a comment for you, Matt. Maybe the difference between scuttlebutt and rumor, but I was reading on Mario's video some of the comments there last night, and someone had commented and I don't.
- [39:29]
Matt Jones
Know if you're gonna do something, if you're gonna do something about personal interactions with players, if that's what you're gonna do. I don't want to put that on the air. If you're, if you've got it. If it's something else, I'm glad to hear it. But if it's like this person did this, I'd rather not. I hope you understand I don't want to spread that.
- [39:47]
Caller / Listener
No, just, just speaking about the team chemistry and stuff. Just a comment that was interesting about the issues behind the scenes, something personal going on between teammates or whatever. Maybe over a woman or something like that.
- [40:03]
Matt Jones
No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't think so. I appreciate.
- [40:06]
Caller / Listener
No, I understand.
- [40:07]
Matt Jones
Generally speak. I appreciate the call. Generally speaking, this is a long standing thing. When teams have chemistry issues, people always blame a woman. That's always Been the case. I'm not saying that's never been the case. There's one time I think it was the case.
- [40:21]
Drew Franklin
I think you're right.
- [40:22]
Matt Jones
But in general, there's like. Well, they must be fighting over a woman. And I don't. I don't think that's. I think that's most of the time, not true. Generally speaking, there are plenty of fish in the sea for UK basketball players. So I think it'll be. It'll be.
- [40:42]
Drew Franklin
I think we all agree there's something off. Something's not right. And I don't know if we can figure it out by the next big game we've got, but they need to be figured out quickly.
- [40:51]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I think we're going to. And Mark, if you do nothing else, just tell us what happened in that stupid locker room.
- [40:59]
Drew Franklin
Wipe the slate clean.
- [41:00]
Matt Jones
Let's not make this the Epstein files, all right? Let's just. Just say it, okay? Just. Just do it and let's move on. Right?
- [41:09]
Ryan Lemond
Just lay the locker room files out. Whoever's involved, we'll deal with it.
- [41:13]
Matt Jones
Vote. All right?
- [41:16]
Ryan Lemond
We predicted this when he was being all coy about that. Like, it's going to linger into next week and if you have a bad game, it's just going to be magnified.
- [41:22]
Matt Jones
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Drew Franklin
Sounds really good.
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- [42:02]
Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
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- [42:03]
Matt Jones
Okay. I was just making sure. I mean, this. We're not freeloading here. This is. Yeah, okay. I didn't think. You didn't look like someone that would do that. We'll take a break and be right back. This is Kentucky Sports Radio.
- [42:13]
Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
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- [42:43]
Dr. Jesse Mills
Hey there. Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and I want to tell you about my new podcast called the Mailroom.
- [42:50]
Matt Jones
And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking but aren't because guys.
- [43:01]
Dr. Jesse Mills
Usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone.
- [43:05]
Matt Jones
Depends which bone.
- [43:06]
Dr. Jesse Mills
Well, that's true. Every week we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom.
- [43:17]
Matt Jones
You mean sleep?
- [43:18]
Dr. Jesse Mills
Yeah, something like that. Jordan. We'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about.
- [43:25]
Matt Jones
It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97 or somewhere in between.
- [43:29]
Dr. Jesse Mills
Men's Health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence and connection. We don't just want you to live longer, we want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows.
- [43:48]
Caller / Listener
All I know is what I've been told and that to have truth is a whole lie.
- [43:54]
Maggie Freeling
For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
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Caller / Listener
I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.
- [44:12]
Maggie Freeling
We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.
- [44:21]
Caller / Listener
Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky.
- [44:24]
Ryan Lemond
Housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.
- [44:28]
Maggie Freeling
My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer. And I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.
- [44:38]
Matt Jones
I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said. They literally made me say that I.
- [44:45]
Maggie Freeling
Took a match and struck and threw it on her.
- [44:47]
Caller / Listener
They made me say that I poured gas on her.
- [44:51]
Maggie Freeling
From lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far Our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.
- [45:02]
Matt Jones
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.
- [45:11]
Maggie Freeling
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- [45:44]
Matt Jones
We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles, and you name it.
- [45:50]
Maggie Freeling
But what they find is not what they expected.
- [45:54]
Matt Jones
Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. They go, is this your daughter? I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like, 25 years.
- [46:07]
Maggie Freeling
Cotton between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.
- [46:18]
Matt Jones
Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.
- [46:22]
Maggie Freeling
Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts.
- [46:33]
Matt Jones
Ryan is doubling down on the Lamarck poops thing.
- [46:37]
Drew Franklin
We've all said it.
- [46:38]
Matt Jones
Kind of just acknowled he said it once.
- [46:40]
Ryan Lemond
I was confused. I thought Ron was saying, we did it when Stoop wasn't good. No, I've had the slip during the Dion Walker interview that everyone remembers.
- [46:46]
Matt Jones
I've never done.
- [46:47]
Drew Franklin
You let it slip one time because then you started laughing at yourself. You're sitting right there in that spot right there.
- [46:51]
Matt Jones
Well, I said, yeah, I sit in this spot, like, every day.
- [46:54]
Drew Franklin
Yeah, well, that's where you said it.
- [46:55]
Dr. Jesse Mills
We were here.
- [46:56]
Matt Jones
Not a different spot.
- [46:57]
Drew Franklin
I can remember. I can remember the moment when it happened because you were kind of laughing at yourself.
- [47:01]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I don't think that happened. We have Quiz Night to hear at the bar. It's Quiz Night, Drew with a guy named Quiz. Quiz.
- [47:09]
Drew Franklin
It's got to be good then, right?
- [47:10]
Matt Jones
That is right. His name is Quiz, so the guy that gives the Quiz name is Quiz. So. So you can come out. It's different than my trivia. It's a little easier and it's a little different. So it's Quiz Night with Quiz tonight at ks.
- [47:23]
Ryan Lemond
How do you know it's easier?
- [47:25]
Matt Jones
I've been told it's Quiz Night with Quiz, though. Okay, tonight you can come on out. And we also have Wednesday, so you can Quiz and dollar wings and burgers, etcetera by the way, we got good reviews on our NFL episode from our boss. So we're. Drew and I are happy about that. We got to think from the NFL because we didn't know. Because we really didn't talk about football at all during any of the stuff. And they, they still, they liked it. So that was good.
- [47:52]
Drew Franklin
Yeah.
- [47:52]
Ryan Lemond
And they had little. Like, they proved. They listen. Like, at one point I said ranch instead of blue cheese. They called me out on that. They mentioned Dick Van Dyke shoes about Billy shoes.
- [48:00]
Matt Jones
The guy from the NFL specifically said, tell Billy I like his Dick Van Dyke shoes.
- [48:06]
Ryan Lemond
So they were dialed in.
- [48:07]
Matt Jones
Very cool. They were dialed in, which is, which is nice. Text machine. 772-774-5254. One person writes, Matt, I've seen all this about fights about all different things. You said you don't think it was women. Could it be religion? No. Come on.
- [48:26]
Drew Franklin
Come on.
- [48:27]
Matt Jones
Like, come on, like, be reasonable. That doesn't happen either. We've had players over the years that were every religion. People just people just who are 20 don't just start fighting. Like, they're not like people on the Internet who get mad about everything. Like, these dudes know each other. If they don't like each other, it may just be. It's, It's. I guarantee you it is very likely just personality based. Like, I don't like you. You're not someone I want to be around. That's what usually ends up being, you know, when, when Oscar was here. And again, I like Oscar. They didn't dislike him because of religion. They didn't like him because they thought he kind of thought he was better than everybody. And there were different rules for Oscar than there were for everybody else in their mind. I'm not even saying they were right, but that's what they thought. That's why they didn't like each other. So it's not the things people like. This is not people arguing about the latest comment from Hakeem Jeffries. These are people who just, like you, annoy me and I don't like you. You know what's so weird about it.
- [49:29]
Ryan Lemond
Is in the few things we've been to, they seemed close. And usually when they're locker room problems, you know it right away. And that stuff leaks out before they even start playing games. Everything seemed just fine up until a week or two ago.
- [49:42]
Matt Jones
It did.
- [49:43]
Ryan Lemond
That's what's so weird about all of this.
- [49:44]
Matt Jones
The women's team won, though, by 40.
- [49:46]
Drew Franklin
So a lot. Maybe we'll look back on last night after the heart to heart 50 minute meeting after the game, maybe things turn around. We can all point back to that night that everything turned around for this team and they've joined forces.
- [49:57]
Matt Jones
See, I would have thought that maybe. But then how do you explain Pope afterwards? Like if, if they came out of that meeting like, okay, here we go, Wildcats, here we go. Then why did he come out being park mope?
- [50:15]
Ryan Lemond
We didn't know it was a meeting. Could have just been sitting in the back in the dark.
- [50:19]
Matt Jones
Yeah. They might have all just been sitting there listening to Morrissey.
- [50:23]
Ryan Lemond
That would have been weird. It would have been nice, though, with it taking so long if he did come out and be like, sorry, I'm late. The guy stood up, started talking about what's wrong, how they're going to fix it. I didn't want to break it up. It was a good moment for our locker room, but he was like, I don't know. I don't know what happened. We talked.
- [50:37]
Matt Jones
Yeah. So that's, that, that's partially kind of why it doesn't, doesn't feel great. Who's next?
- [50:41]
Drew Franklin
Joseph.
- [50:42]
Matt Jones
Joseph. Go ahead, Joseph. Morning, guys.
- [50:45]
Caller / Listener
How are you?
- [50:46]
Matt Jones
I'm doing good.
- [50:49]
Caller / Listener
All right, before I, before I get to my main point, which is mostly negative, can I just try to say something positive?
- [50:55]
Matt Jones
Of course you can.
- [50:57]
Caller / Listener
All right. So what a luxury is it to have a coach that actually cares about losing agree? You know, we aren't that, we aren't that far removed from a guy who would want to go watch Little House on the Prairie after every loss or whatever the hell it was. So I'm happy that Pope cares. But with that being said, I was praying that when he came out to that presser, he wouldn't talk about how disappointed they are and the typical song and dance that he does after we lose. I wanted to see some fire and frankly, some anger.
- [51:30]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [51:31]
Caller / Listener
Because I feel like this, this, this, like moping around rubs off on this team in the wrong way, and you see it in their body language and how they react to things. And I just wanted, I wanted some anger, you know, I, I just don't think this team responds well to the.
- [51:47]
Matt Jones
I actually think that's a really good way to put it. I, I, I appreciate the call. I, I don't know. I don't know that this team responds well to sadness. But then again, I mean, if we're back to the locker room pregame story, the story that I heard that again may not be correct was that people were used to one kind of Pope and Then a different Pope walked in the locker room and they were like, who's this dude? You know, the story was that he went up to, like, Jalen Lowe and was like, mikel Brown's better than you. Don't you want to prove it? Don't you want to prove it? And they were like, who. Who are you? Like, like, like, stop. And I. And it maybe threw them off again. I don't know. So you do have to be within your personality, Drew, whatever that is.
- [52:35]
Ryan Lemond
And Pope has a lot of strengths. We saw them last year. But I'm really starting to question him getting ready for these big games and how he's going to handle a deep roster where he's got to manage minutes. He didn't have to do that last year. This year he's got a lot of dudes that need to play, and he has not figured out rotations yet.
- [52:50]
Matt Jones
By the way, Rick Patino just did an interview where he said he didn't think we paid $22 million for the roster, that he thinks that's exaggerated. So maybe that's good. I don't know. We'll be right back. Hour number two, ksr.
- [53:05]
Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman, and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts.
- [53:37]
Maggie Freeling
The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.
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Matt Jones
America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.
- [54:03]
Maggie Freeling
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
I'm Jonathan Goldstein. And on the new season of Heavyweight.
- [54:20]
Matt Jones
And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a Jo.
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old. And a centenarian rediscovers a love lost 80 years ago.
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Caller / Listener
How can 101-year-old woman fall in love again?
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Josh Zieman / Jonathan Goldstein
Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [54:47]
Matt Jones
Atlanta is a spirit. It's not just a city. It's where crunk was born in a club in the West End.
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Caller / Listener
Before world star, it was 55 9.
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Matt Jones
Where preachers go and students at the HBCU turned heartbreak into resurrection, where dreamers brought Hollywood to the south and hustlers bring their visions to create black wealth. Nobody's rushing into relationships with you. I'm big rude. Listen to Atlanta is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.