2025-11-24- KSR - Hour 1

Summary

KSR Podcast — Hour 1, November 24, 2025

Host: Matt Jones, with Ryan, Drew, Shannon
Podcast: Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR)
Theme: Thanksgiving weekend recap, UK football embarrassment at Vanderbilt, Diego Pavia’s mom, and the Mark Stoops dilemma

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the aftermath of Kentucky Football's humiliating loss to Vanderbilt, which spiraled into an entertaining, offbeat analysis of quarterback Diego Pavia’s mother’s viral rise during coverage, followed by a serious, contentious discussion about the future of head coach Mark Stoops and the program’s direction. The hosts balance laughter and frustration, capturing the unique blend of KSR’s sports talk and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Tone: “Let’s Laugh Instead of Cry”

• [03:08–04:17] Matt Jones immediately opts for laughter, despite the rough weekend:

  “We could be all down and depressed today and we have to talk about the disaster that was the game. But I think there’s some value, Shannon, in laughing to start the day, right?”

• The crew pivots from sports despair to dissecting the surreal spectacle that was Diego Pavia’s mom, repeatedly featured on camera during the Vanderbilt game.

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2. “Legendary” Broadcast Moment: Diego Pavia’s Mom Goes Viral

[04:17–10:44]

• The hosts marvel at how frequently she was shown on TV:

  “No exaggeration. In the history of sports, has there ever been a parent that was shown more on a game broadcast than his mom was on that one?” — Matt [04:28]
  “She was shown six times on one score. They kept cutting away from the game to his mom, back to the game, back to Pavia’s mom.” — Shannon [04:45]

• Fashion and Behavior Segment:
  The gang jokes about her striking outfit—thigh-high boots and cutoffs—and her saucy antics:

  “Just think about it, it’s my senior day and my mom showing up in thigh-high boots. Come on.” — Matt [06:13]
  “She was straight out of a Shaggy 1995 music video.” — Shannon [06:26]

• Notable/Ridiculous Visuals:
  Discussion about Pavia’s mother dancing on the rail, the Vandy security guard’s reaction, and constant camera focus:

  “She was riding that thing. Genuine ‘Pony’ playing in my head as she was riding it… If it went to overtime, they’d have to switch to HBO.” — Drew [07:16]
  “I’m so bummed about the game itself, but I just couldn’t get over how much they were showing her.” — Matt [08:01]

• The Theo Von Connection:
  Speculation runs wild when comedian Theo Von is seen on the field:

  “He’s about to be Pavia’s stepdad, no doubt. He’s got a thing for Pavia’s mom.” — Shannon [09:23]

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3. Game Fallout: Kentucky’s Embarrassing Loss

[10:53–16:41]

• The hosts call the loss “old school embarrassment level,” with Drew noting:

  “It was only the third time under Mark Stoops they’ve given up 600 yards. The other two were Georgia and Alabama... Pavia set a Vandy record.” [12:24]

• Ryan lays out the damage:

  “Their first 12 plays, they had 18 yards of offense... Felt like 70 to 3. It was so bad.” [11:41]

• The crew agrees the worst-case scenario for Mark Stoops’ job security has materialized:

  “The one thing you couldn’t do is get blown out. And then they did. All the negativity that had circled for weeks came back double fold and put us into...purgatory.” — Matt [13:12–14:07]

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4. The Stoops Question: Should He Stay or Go?

[14:07–39:44]

• Atmosphere among fans: Mood swings sharply, with callers and hosts referencing recent shows where the vast majority went from wanting Stoops fired, to support after a win streak, and now back to “fire him” mode.

  “We had four weeks ago... 97% wanted a new coach. Then we did it last week...like three. Now, I think we're right back where we were.” — Matt [25:42]
  “If you were trying to win back fans…the one thing you couldn't do was get blown out.” — Matt [13:03]

• The Money Problem:
  Calls and conversation underline the $37 million buyout and university financial realities as the major obstacle.

  “I don't think Mitch Barnhart's got it in him to fire Stoops. He also doesn't have the money… If you get blown out by Louisville, then I think you almost have. Like, you can't take two of those.” — Matt [15:29]

• Perspective Differences Among Hosts:

  • Drew leans toward a change, even “money be damned.”

    “Next year’s not going to be fun. People aren’t going to buy tickets... unless they find a way to market Cutter Bowley and bring some life into the stadium.” — Drew [27:58]

  • Ryan and Shannon are more hesitant due to contractual constraints and tradition.

    “I'm not. I'm bringing him back because I'm going to bring Cutter Bowley back and Bush Hamden back and we're going to build on this...” — Ryan [27:50]
    “I would bring them back for one more season. But if we have the season again next year, that’s it.” — Shannon [30:15]

• Financial Math:
  The segment breaks down how many lost ticket sales it would take to offset Stoops' buyout, concluding that financial realities likely prevent a change.

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5. Boosters, Fan Base, and Future Uncertainty

[39:45–50:09]

• The discussion turns to who’s to blame for the financial bind:

  “Where is Mitch’s accountability? He handcuffed both programs... That contract was a disaster.” — Drew [39:44, 39:52]

• Calls and texts reveal a wildly split, game-to-game reactive fanbase, punctuated by Matt’s observation:

  “We all tend in life to hang out with people that are like us, so we end up hearing the opinions of people who have the same opinions we are.” — Matt [46:18]

• There’s skepticism that a booster-funded solution is at hand:

  “We want these people to pay money. And a lot of them may have Drew’s view of, ‘Well, I’m not the one that did it. I ain’t paying.’ So then where are you getting the money?” — Matt [47:38]

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6. Humor and Memorable Quotes

• On Pavia’s Mom:

  “She was all over that rail.” — Matt [08:27]
  “She clearly was like, camera, find me now.” — Matt [07:47]
  “She was riding that thing. Genuine ‘Pony’ playing in my head…” — Drew [07:16]

• On the KSR Crew’s Moms at Senior Day:

  “What are the chances we would see our mothers in that outfit?” — Matt [06:10]

• On Kentucky Football’s Downfall:

  “It was embarrassing. It was embarrassing.” — Matt & Drew [12:56] “We are now in purgatory and we’re going to definitely be in purgatory if we lose to Louisville.” — Matt [14:07]

• On Stoops' Buyout Math:

  “So that means to make up that $37 million, you would need 25,000 people to stop their season tickets. That’s not going to happen.” — Matt & Shannon [36:13–36:31]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Matt Jones: “No exaggeration. In the history of sports, has there ever been a parent that was shown more on a game broadcast than his mom was on that one?” [04:28]
• Drew: “She was riding that thing. Genuine ‘Pony’ playing in my head as she was riding it. ... If it went to overtime, they’d have to switch to HBO.” [07:16]
• Matt Jones: “We are now in purgatory and we’re going to definitely be in purgatory if we lose to Louisville.” [14:07]
• Drew: “Next year is not going to be fun. People aren't going to buy tickets unless they find a way to market Cutter Bowley and...bring some life into the stadium.” [27:58]
• Matt Jones: “There needs to be a change in terms of...It’s just better for everybody if there’s a different coach next year. But … I don’t think you can just pay a $37 million lump sum in 60 days.” [32:21]
• Shannon: “I would bring them back for one more season. But if we have the season again next year, that’s it.” [30:15]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:08 — Show intro; Matt sets the tone
• 04:17–10:44 — The Diego Pavia’s Mom Saga
• 10:53–16:41 — Recapping and analyzing the Kentucky-Vanderbilt debacle
• 14:07–39:44 — Should Mark Stoops go? Money, boosters, and buyouts
• 39:45–50:09 — Booster/fanbase realities, more calls on Stoops, future outlook

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Conclusion

This hour highlights the unique Kentucky Sports Radio style—mixing irreverent pop culture breakdowns (the Pavia mom phenomenon) with sharp, often difficult debates about the future of UK Football. Ultimately, the episode emphasizes the unpredictable, emotional roller coaster of UK fandom, and exposes the complicated financial and cultural layers at play in the Stoops debate. The crew’s blend of self-deprecation, humor, and real talk makes the hour compelling whether you’re a diehard Cat or just want some sports radio that doesn’t take itself too seriously.

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[A]

Welcome, everyone. Kentucky Sports Radio. Monday, November 24th. I'm Matt Jones. On a cloudy kind of cool day. I'm in Louisville, Kentucky. Ryan and Drew are in Lexington. Shannon's over there in that little studio box. It is Thanksgiving weekend, and I'm excited about it. Big weekend. We got basketball, we got football, we got the Kentucky volleyball. But it was, it wasn't the best weekend of the past. When you can give us a shout. 859-280-2287. That's the Clark's Puppet Shop phone line. A Vision auto glass text machine is 772-774-5254. This edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. You call TJ will make them pay. Wonder what Diego Pavia's mom's doing right now? Shannon?

[B]

Probably down on Broadway in Nashville. Kid rocks bar, you know, we haven't.

[F]

Seen much of her.

[A]

I just want to start with it. Like, we could be all down and depressed today and we have to talk about the disaster that was the game. But I think there's some value Shannon in, like, in sort of laughing to start the day, right?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So we have to talk for a second about Diego, about your quarterback's mother. Yeah, Diego Pavia.

[B]

Pavia's mom's got it going on, apparently. The cameraman thinks I would.

[A]

No doubt. No exaggeration. No exaggeration. In the history of sports, has there ever been a parent that was shown more on a game broadcast than his mom was on that one? No.

[B]

She was shown six times on one score. They kept cutting away from the game to his mom, back to the game, back to Pavia's mom.

[A]

Ryan, you've been watching for a long time. You worked in TV for years. Can you ever remember anything like that?

[F]

You brought it up on the postgame show when Christian Laetner's mom was in that neck brace. That's the only thing that comes any anywhere close. And it still wasn't as many times they showed Diego Pavia.

[A]

Even Donna Smith can't.

[B]

No, not even close.

[F]

No, not even close.

[B]

She would get maybe one time.

[A]

Drew, do you, can you think of a top? No, no, no.

[C]

I, I, I thought forever My. My two were Donna Smith. And if you remember, when Blake Griffin was awesome at Oklahoma, they just had a camera on his parents all the time. I thought those two were going to help hold the crown forever. But Pavia's mom is a legend for how much they showed her on Saturday.

[A]

And we. And listen, first of all, let's talk about the good. It's nice, Ryan, that she's, like, celebrating her son. Right? That's good.

[F]

Everybody, every parent should be like that. Yes. Celebrating them with their son.

[A]

That's nice. There's a family get together. That's nice. But we do have to talk about the rest of it, which I want all of us to sit here and think of our mothers for a second. All right, Drew, you think of your mom. Ryan, your mom. Shannon, your mom. I'll do my mom. Yeah. What are the chances we would see our mothers in that outfit?

[B]

Zero.

[F]

Zero.

[A]

I mean, for those of you that know my mom, you see Karen wearing that. Just think about it's my senior day and my mom showing up in thigh high boots. Come on.

[B]

She was straight out of a shaggy 1995 music video.

[A]

Oh, shaggy.

[B]

I mean, like, you know.

[A]

Are you saying she was Mrs. Boom Basket Bostic?

[B]

Yeah, like, she. At one point, she was, like, kissing some guy's hand. Did you see?

[F]

Yeah, I saw that.

[B]

That was weird. I'm like, who is this guy who's getting his hand kissed by Poppy?

[A]

His mom. She walked out on the field. First of all, his brother, as Drew pointed out on cover zero, was in a tuxedo. His brother and her did not look like they were dressed. Dressed for the same event, did they?

[B]

No, no, I'm not sure. It was just. The whole thing was just weird.

[A]

It was bizarre. But even with all that, I'm not sure they'll ever be a moment quite like Drew when she was saddled up to the rail.

[C]

Oh, incredible.

[A]

Absolutely incredible, isn't it?

[C]

She was. She was riding that thing. Genuine pony playing in my head as she was riding it. And I said to the people with me, I was like, thank God this game isn't close. Because if it went to overtime, they would have to switch to HBO if they're going to continue to show her. Because each time they showed her, it got a little more.

[A]

More provocative, more and more saucy as the game went on.

[F]

They obviously had one camera dedicated to her.

[A]

Can you imagine that guy's job, by the way? They're like on mom cam.

[F]

A whole game stay on her.

[B]

There are worse gigs in sports and.

[A]

Then like, you're right. She got more and more provocative and at that moment. And like, I don't feel bad talking about it because she was, like, pointing at the camera. She clearly was like, camera, find me now. Drew made a good point that after she saddled up to it and was pointing, they never showed her again. Do you think that was a call from the network? Like, okay, things are getting. We got. We got to slow down here.

[C]

Yeah, maybe Mickey Mouse called in. He broke the record. He got his. His moment where he walked off the field with the backup, came in. He was a big part of the final minutes, and they did not show her again. She was all over that rail.

[A]

I mean, the rail video. I'm kind of shocked Shannon, that wasn't a bigger Internet thing.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's good for ratings. That tells me that she was probably doing something that they just could not show. Like. Like whatever happened next was something that could not be shown on.

[A]

You need to go watch the video of her on the rail and look behind her. Okay. If you haven't seen it yet, look at the man who I believe is a Vandy security guard.

[C]

He had on a Vandy lanyard.

[F]

He was with the lanyard. That guy.

[A]

Okay, you need to look at that guy and look at his face. He has a look of like, I have the best job in sports. It was, you know, I was so bummed about the game itself, but I just couldn't get over how much they were showing her. And then there's Shannon. The Theo Vaughn part. Yeah, like, he's. He's at senior day. Like, he's on the field.

[B]

He's about to be Pavia's stepdad, no doubt. Cause he's got a thing for Pavia's mom.

[A]

See, I kind of always thought that was like, kind of a joke.

[B]

No, I don't think.

[A]

No, no, I don't think.

[F]

I think it's legit.

[A]

You think. You think it's legit?

[B]

I think it is.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

He wanted that date with it with his mom.

[A]

I just have to say, and again, I'm not hating. Do your thing. Diego Pavia's mom. I mean, this is his, like, last moment in the spotlight, Right? Do your thing. But the. The. All I could sit there and think about was, like, the difference in what my senior day would have been with, like, mom and Larry and them walking on the field vs. Diego Pavia's senior day with thigh high boots, cut off shorts, a tuxedo on his brother, and Theo Vaughn drew. It's just. It's an unbelievable thing. Like, it just shows you how different humanity can be.

[C]

Yeah, that's the Pavia experience. I mean, you know, a year ago or two years ago, that guy in the lanyard, that stadium's under construction. There's no fans there. They have a locker room that's a tent. And then fast forward, they flipped the Pavia switch and he's got, he's sitting next to a parent grinding on a rail for a sold out stadium as they're whooping Kentucky. I mean, just one world for Vandy.

[A]

That will be one for the books right there.

[F]

It's Must see tv, which makes me think he's going to be invited to the Heisman ceremony because they want that.

[A]

I think he might.

[C]

He might.

[A]

Yeah. I mean it's, it's unbelievable. Now as far as the game that was bad, it's terrible. Everything went poorly. Everything. The offense couldn't move the ball. Defense, we could not stop. I mean, we couldn't do anything. It was 45 to 3 at one point. If they had wanted to, I think it could have been in like 65 to 3.

[B]

Yeah, they took Bobby out in the fourth quarter.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, they took him out. It was. I, I thought we, I thought we could lose. I actually picked us to win, which seems ridiculous now. I thought we could lose, but I just, I did not think, Ryan, it would be like that. I thought after the last few weeks that was kind of out of our system, but it clearly was.

[F]

You guys are right. The final score, 45, 17. It was much worse than that. It felt like 70 to 3. It was so bad.

[A]

What?

[F]

Their first 12 plays, they had 18 yards of offense.

[A]

That's unbelievable.

[F]

They came out of the gate just awful and never recovered from it.

[A]

Drew, I. What do you blame that? Like they're, I mean they're better than us, clearly and they played well. But that's a, that's the kind of beat down that should not happen at this stage of a program ever. I mean, just, I mean we've, we've lost these other games. Even South Carolina beat us pretty badly. But it wasn't that. That was like old school embarrassment level.

[C]

Yes, it absolutely was. It was only the third time under Mark Stoops. They've given up 600 yards. The other two were many years ago to Georgia and Alabama. Pavia set a Vandy record. I know your defense is beat up and wounded, but that doesn't explain getting whooped like that. I mean, sure, I didn't think we'd win and I Knew they'd have trouble stopping that offense but he was just picking them apart even early in the game. He made a couple of third down throws. The guys were just wide open in the middle of the field. You could tell on their first series that it was over before we even got minutes into the game because that offense was just doing whatever they wanted, whatever they wanted.

[A]

I mean we had no chance of covering them. You know, it was, it was, it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing.

[C]

And the deep balls, I want to add, you know, because I mentioned the injuries. The guy gotten burned was quarterback one on the deep ball. So that wasn't an injury thing, that was your veteran.

[A]

That was a great, like if that was the one thing that happened you'd go well, okay. I mean actually oddly, even though he got burned, I was oddly like, well that was a great throw, great, whatever. But then it just continued to get worse. You know, I guess you would say well they didn't quit, but who cares? I mean they were getting beat by so much. This was the one thing, Ryan, that couldn't happen. You know, if you were, if you were trying to kind of win back fans that you had lost weeks ago, the one thing you couldn't do is get blown out. And then they did. I think all the negativity that had circled for weeks came back double fold and it put us into. We are now in purgatory and we're going to definitely be in purgatory if we lose to Louisville. But this was the one thing if you're Mark Stoops you could not have happen and Ryan then it did.

[F]

That game we all saw our social media, the Stoops detractors came out in full force back at it, rallying the troops after the three game win streak. They're back in full force and now this game is as Drew predicted. All comes down to the Louisville game. The whole perception of the off season is going to depend on how they play in that game. Coming out of the.

[A]

Do you think though is there any chance it was so bad that what happens in the. Our assumption going into the game that Mark Stoops was back regardless. Is there anything that happened Saturday that changes that?

[F]

Not in my mind but I know in a lot of fans minds it sure has changed.

[A]

What do you think?

[C]

I'm only watching a voluntarily Stoop step away. I don't see Barnhart doing it. Just with his comments and just the nature of Mitch Barnhart. I think still at this point, win or lose Saturday for it to change it would have to be Stoops looking around and saying, I don't want to keep going forward with this.

[A]

Is there a world, though, where that was a consideration before and Saturday made it more likely?

[F]

What do you think?

[A]

Well, I asked you because, Shannon, I didn't want to. Well, I gave my opinions on Saturday and I'm going to talk about that a little later because I was kind of shocked at some of the reaction Saturday, not the negativity. I knew that would be there, but.

[F]

It just came out. And like you said, it kind of doubled down on everything. Like it came out in full force threefold.

[A]

Threefold.

[B]

I don't think that Mitch Barnhart's got it in him to fire Stoops.

[A]

No, I don't think he has it anymore. He also doesn't have the money. But there's also a sense of a fan base. You know, you can get to a point where a fan base has had it so much that it makes it toxic. And I didn't think that was going to happen, but I think the way we lost brought that back.

[B]

Yeah. And if you lose 45 to 17 against Louisville again, I'm going to go.

[A]

If you get blown out by Louisville, then I think you almost have. Like, you can't take two of those. Especially since Louisville stinks now. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, they're terrible. They've lost me.

[A]

At least Vandy's good. Louisville stinks right now. If they were to blow us out, then that's a whole nother thing.

[F]

A team that's kind of limping into this game.

[A]

I mean, they're. I mean, they got blown out last week. Yeah, they got blown out 38 to 7.

[F]

If it was a bad week. When the Michigan State basketball game ends up with them putting their walk on. Walk ons in and then Vandy put their walk on.

[A]

I think of a week with two more embarrassing losses. We've had two losses that probably hurt more, but I can't think of two more embarrassing in one week. My mom wants it to be clear she would not be in those boots. I don't care. Anybody thought she would.

[F]

Karen look good in those boots, though.

[A]

All right, you know, you stay. You're. It's a good thing you're there.

[B]

Stay away from my mom, too.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, Ryan, you. You go hang out with Theo Vaughn.

[C]

Remember, he. What did you do with my mom at my wedding?

[F]

Ryan Drew's mom was pinching my butt, though.

[C]

That's not true.

[B]

Stop it.

[A]

No, Brian, I did say Shannon on cover zero, that Theo Vaughn being in that picture would be like if it was my senior day and you saw the picture and it was me mom and Larry and Dana Carvey, that's what it would be like, right?

[B]

Yeah, it kind of would.

[A]

It's just odd. Somebody.

[B]

Somebody make that happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do your thing.

[A]

Me, mom, Larry and Dana Carvey at the Middlesboro high school senior day. 859-280-2287. We'll talk more about this. We will take your calls. Get on in here. I'd like to hear your opinion. Unlike what people think, we don't censor the calls. Shannon on the morning show, Shannon just gets to decide by whether he likes you or not. We'll take a break and be right back. This is ksr.

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[A]

I knew you were going to play this. This is the part that I like. I know, Shannon, you and I were different people, but we have the same brain meld when it comes to music. I knew you were going to play this and I like it. It's the right choice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Parents shown in games. Steph Curry's mom. They did show her a lot.

[F]

Yeah, they did.

[A]

I don't think as much as this.

[F]

Not even close.

[A]

Greg Marshall's wife.

[F]

Well, yeah, that's true.

[A]

Did show a lot. Yeah, they did great. Drew knows something about her. Drew ended up on Inside Edition because of Greg Marshall's wife.

[C]

I was international story that day because of her.

[A]

Lonzo Ball's dad.

[F]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[F]

That's a good one.

[A]

That's probably close, to be honest. Ryan, A.J. mcCarron's girlfriend and.

[F]

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[A]

How about the Reed shepherd family?

[F]

Well, for the local broadcast, yes, they did show.

[A]

They would show them a lot.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think it's not just Shannon that they showed her. It's the. It's just the behavior.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it was a party the entire game and it got more and more provocative as the night went on.

[A]

Yeah, it was a party. It is. Well, listen, do your thing. I'm not, girl, I'm not. I'm not hating.

[B]

How many people you think will be watching Vandy Tennessee just for Poppy as mom this weekend?

[E]

Let me.

[A]

If you. If it was your mom, would you be embarrassed?

[B]

Probably.

[F]

Yes, I think we all would. Of our mothers.

[A]

Definitely okay, so. Yes, but do you think he was or do you think this is great?

[C]

Yeah, she was probably at the table at barstool Nashville with him till three in the morning.

[A]

But like, is there. Is there something good about that relationship where, like, he's hanging out with his mom or is it odd?

[C]

Guess it's better than an absent mom. They seem to hang out and be friendly. I would just be like, mom, it's my senior day. Maybe some pants. And then.

[F]

The boots.

[A]

What person writes mad? I'm 62 years old. Those boots are fashionable now. I wear them. Yes, she's on a different level, but don't absolutely crush thigh high boots. 62, Shannon. And wearing them, good for you.

[B]

There's no age limit on boots, I guess, or booty shorts.

[F]

I mean, let's. Let's part though. It is.

[A]

It is senior dad. It's not like she was just going out with her friends and there is.

[F]

A white elephant in the room.

[A]

Okay, I'm worried.

[C]

I'm worried too. I'm not even in the same room.

[A]

Run it by Drew. Okay.

[C]

Run it by Drew.

[F]

Okay.

[A]

Whisper it to Drew and Shannon. I'm gonna let Drew decide if he gets to say it.

[F]

Okay.

[A]

All right. Because I trust Drew's. Understand.

[C]

I'm back.

[A]

Can he say it?

[C]

I mean, it's. It's not as bad as I thought it would be.

[A]

So I'm asking you, can he say it?

[C]

Sure.

[A]

All right, go ahead.

[F]

The white elephant in the room is she's a hottie. That's why she was being shown as often as she was.

[C]

It wasn't great, but I expected worse.

[A]

Yeah, I did too many. Of course, that's not even a white elephant. I mean, I think everybody knows that.

[F]

Well, we didn't mention. Haven't mentioned it yet.

[A]

Yeah, because we are grown ups and we imply things we don't need to say explicitly what people know. We don't need a mommy.

[F]

Squami.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[C]

I would have stopped him on that one. Sorry. That's on me.

[A]

That is on you, Drew. You knew this is what he was to do better. You knew that Mario, you too. Yeah, that's on Mar. If Mario's in there and let that happen, that's on him too. All right, Adam, Go ahead, Adam.

[G]

I feel like Joe Kim, Noah's parents.

[A]

Oh, that's a good one. That's. That's a good one from the past. Good call, Adam.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

The game aside, which was terrible, we all know that. You know, I actually found myself liking Diego Pavia and I know he's at the end of draft. I hope he makes it in the NFL and maybe his mom can quit her job at Deja Vu.

[A]

Oh, stop. That's. That's rude. He's not going to make the draft, I don't think. Shannon. I've not seen him. I mean, it's probably like a Tebow situation where, like his talents are perfectly served at the college level.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think that he will, but, I mean, I don't. You never know. I mean, you never know. There could be a team out there.

[A]

I mean, there'll be somebody who brings him into camp, I guess, and they'll see. I mean, how tall is he? He's short.

[B]

He's like a little Doug Flutie.

[A]

Yeah, that's exactly. That's a great way to put it. He is. He is. He is a Doug Flutie.

[B]

So, I mean, if work for Flutie, maybe it could work for him, but I just don't see it happening.

[A]

But I could be wrong, by the way. I don't see any value in. In like going over the game. We stunk. Let. Let's talk for just a second about where this fan base is. It is. We had four weeks ago where we did the little raise your hand. 97% of the audience at Whiskey Thief wanted a new coach. Right.

[F]

Right.

[A]

Then we did it last week. And how many of the audience wanted a new coach? It was like three.

[F]

Right. Totally flipped.

[A]

Totally flipped. Now where do we think they are? I think we're right back where we were.

[F]

I think it's that bad.

[A]

You think it's back to Whiskey Thief? Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

I mean, the three game win streak was fun, and I'll never diminish a win over Florida or at Auburn, but I think he still needs more than that to. To really win people over.

[A]

So does that say fans are in some ways fickle, that you could flip back and forth that quickly?

[F]

Sure. I was thinking it was more closer to maybe 70, 30.

[A]

Okay. So, Ryan, if you were to go online, it's almost universal. We need a change.

[F]

Correct.

[A]

Do you deal with people? Because I think you probably more than anybody on this show do. Do you deal with people who are like, we should still give him another year?

[F]

I do, but then again, most people I deal with are closer to my age. I think maybe the older generation.

[A]

So what do those people say? Because I think those people are probably not on message boards, they're not on social media. What is. What is it that they say?

[F]

This. This is what I think. You know We've gone through these horrible UK football seasons of the the 90s where we finished 1 in 10 and 2 and 9 when there's 11 game seasons and it was, it was had the nation's longest losing streak. All those losing games to Tennessee, to Florida. Just the fact that we're back to this level is such a turnaround. They give credit all the stoops. So I think they're willing to throw him a little life jacket. The life preserver.

[A]

Just what if there's people who would say the life preserver was we brought you back after you were 4 and 8 last year.

[F]

Yeah, that was a bad year last year. But I think just as me again, the people I talked to, the fact he's kind of turned it around here in the middle of the season, even despite the game yesterday Saturday.

[A]

Let's say there was no Louisville game and you were the AD also knowing you have to pay a $37 million buyout. Are you letting him go, Ryan?

[F]

I'm not. I'm bringing him back because I'm going to bring Cutter Bowley back and I'm gonna bring Bush Hamden back and we're going to build on this, what we started here.

[A]

Drew this year I got to find.

[C]

That money because next year is not going to be fun. People aren't going to buy tickets unless.

[A]

You are letting him go.

[C]

People are going to make a statement next year. Yeah, unless they find a way to market Cutter Bowley and find a way to bring some life into the stadium. I mean the people bragging about how fun a Vanderbilt game was is my biggest takeaway of all of it. Forget the loss. The fact that Vanderbilt has an atmosphere that people want to be a part of is a bigger problem.

[A]

By the way, white elephant doesn't mean what Ryan said.

[C]

It's it.

[A]

No, that's like a Christmas Christmas game.

[C]

Exchange gifts.

[B]

The elephant in the room.

[A]

The elephant in the room, not the white elephant.

[F]

It could be a.

[A]

All of us skipped over that, by the way. Shannon and I will give our verdicts after the break. T.J. smith, personal injury attorney. Call T.J. he'll make him pay.

[B]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[A]

You listen to him cackling in the background. What is going on? Why. Why are you. You are. We all need to have the self confidence Ryan does in himself. He like he cackles like a hyena about things and it's. There's only a couple. It's the jokes he makes, Shannon, which usually are Involving flatulence.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or it's an attractive older woman. Those are the two things that make him laugh the most. Am I right about that?

[B]

Yeah. Those are his weaknesses.

[A]

Those. Those are the, like. Like, he would be the easiest person to do comedy for. Yeah.

[B]

Everybody wants him in the front.

[A]

Everybody wants him in the front row, and there are two kinds of jokes, and he'll just laugh.

[B]

Mm. That's Ryan. That's.

[A]

By the way, I just. Somebody sent out a picture, and I just retweeted it of the mother with the security guard behind her and the look on his face. You need to go to Twitter and look at it. Have you seen it?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. First of all, is she wearing a crown? Is that like a princess crown?

[F]

She had one on at some point.

[A]

I didn't realize that. I think she is. Why does she have a football?

[C]

Probably. Probably one of the 30 touchdowns he threw. He gave to her.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Everyone in the crowd probably had a football from that game.

[A]

All right, so we didn't. We didn't do ours. Shannon, what would you do if there's no level game?

[B]

And that was the end of the.

[A]

Season just ended today?

[B]

Yeah, I would bring them back. I would bring them back for one more season. But if it's. If we have the season again next year, that's it.

[A]

Does that. Does the. For YouTube. Does the $37 million change it? Like, let's say there was no buyout.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then you. If there was no buyout, would you both let him go?

[B]

Yeah, if there's no buyout, that makes things a lot easier. But, I mean, the $37 million complicates everything, so.

[A]

But. So let's just live in a world where there's no buyout. Are you both doing it? Are you both letting him go?

[F]

I'm. I'm still not letting him go because I think they've got something to build a little five wins in this season. The way it started, I think it's a good turnaround. I think it's a good coach. And you got me again. Take. Forgot to forget what happened.

[A]

So you're on the. No matter what, you'd bring him back.

[F]

Unless they get blown out again Saturday. Then I might.

[A]

Drew's on even with the 37 million. So let me ask you, Drew, the question I asked the caller. Where are you getting the money?

[C]

You got to find it. Because at some point, let's say I.

[A]

Tell you, I can't get it. I don't. There's just. There's nobody who'll Give it. So what am I doing?

[C]

Well, then at that point, I think we look at the ad and say, how did we get in this situation?

[A]

Fair enough.

[C]

At some point, you have to look at the money you're going to lose. It is crazy that they could not sell out one single football game with Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas and Florida on the schedule. That's embarrassing in itself. So if you run it back, you're not going to sell it again next year. So at some point you're just losing money and running fans off and that's going to outweigh the whatever you owe.

[A]

Well, you. You people say that. I'm not sure that's true. I mean, for instance, last year was our high season ticket sales of any year besides Covid and I believe we were 1200 down this year. Now, that's a decent amount of money, but it's not $37 million. Next year, I would expect it would be down some, but like, we had a caller say 20,000. Ryan, that's not. It wouldn't be down that much, I wouldn't think. No. I mean, that would be one out of every two season ticket holders saying no.

[C]

If they do another spring where they don't even speak now, that's. That could happen.

[A]

All right, so for me, I'm making you all do it. I'll answer to. There needs to be a change in terms of. It's just better for everybody if there's a different coach next year. But I do think if I'm trying to, like, figure out the financial responsibilities here, I don't think you can just pay a $37 million lump sum in 60 days. I just don't think the University of Kentucky can do that. Now, if I had a magic tech, like tech billionaire who came to me and said, matt, I'm gonna write you the check, then honestly, I'd probably do it because I think it's necessary because I think the fan morale is so low. But if you don't have that, then I'm with you, Shannon. I don't think you can do it. Yeah, because I don't know where you. That money does not grow on trees. You have to remember that from every other fan base that did this, they had a deal where they could pay it over time. Jimbo Fisher is the only one that had a lump sum payment. Interestingly enough, Drew, same agent Mark Stoops had who negotiated it, and two Texas A and M alums came and said, we'll pay for it. And that's why they did it. We don't have that.

[F]

And it seems like Kentucky's biggest people that possibly could pay that are very close with Mark Stoops. Maybe not.

[A]

And I think four or five weeks ago, some of those people agreed there was a change needed. I'm not sure if that's what they think now. I'm not trying to speak for him, but I'm not sure if that's what they think now. Now, maybe Shannon, if you lose by 50 to Louisville, they'll think something different. Right?

[B]

Yeah. And it really does all come down to this game. I think that the narrative for Stoops that we're going to have in the off season all comes down to what happens on Saturday.

[A]

All right, last question. Let's say you beat Louisville and made a bowl for Drew, for you. You still make the change if you're six and six and you make a bowl.

[C]

I still have very little faith in next season, but I'll admit it is much harder to fire him if he made it to a bowl game and pay that.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, that's where we are.

[C]

And, you know, say that with zero faith moving forward.

[A]

I don't. Let me just say I don't have a lot of faith, but I also know coming up with that money, they don't have it unless it magically appears they don't have it. Because this athletic department is at this point. This will change in five or six years when the business of nil becomes more clear. But right now, our basketball and football roster were dependent on the generosity of a handful of people. And I don't think those people feel the way a lot of this fan base does, at least to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's kind of the sense I get.

[F]

And next year's schedule is where you've got four home games in the sec, five road games in the sec.

[A]

Yeah. Nick Roush is sending me. So season tickets last year were down about 2,500. So that's a decent amount. But what's. What is. What is Season tickets cost? 2500 is times what, right? 2500 times. What's a season ticket cost? 1200 dollars. Something like that. Average.

[C]

Yeah. It's so widespread.

[A]

Yeah. It's all. But what would the average be, you think?

[F]

Not sure.

[A]

Let's just say fifteen hundred dollars. Let's just say that that's probably high, but let's just say it. 2500 times 1500 is what. Shannon put that into the thing.

[B]

2500 times 1500 would be 3.7 million.

[A]

3.7 million. That's conveniently a decimal place from 37 million. So that means to make up that, that 37 million, you would need 25,000 people to stop their season tickets.

[F]

I don't know if that'll happen.

[A]

That's not going to happen. So I'm just, I'm just doing the math. I'm not making judgments. That's just the math. Mark. Go ahead, Mark.

[G]

Guys, go ahead. Hello? Yeah, you were on the right track that I thought, because on Saturday you kept asking everybody where the money's come from. You have 38, 000 season ticket holders for football. You charge each one 200 more. That comes up to $7.6 million. You pay the new coach $6 million. You got $3 million left over. If you can't get the 30, you can't get a loan. So you don't have to do the 60 days. Okay? Then you. There's.

[A]

I mean, you have to get a loan. You're. You're math. You're paying for the new coach, but you're still not paying for the old coach.

[G]

The old coach. We have a budget. You have a budget next year. If he, if he's still here. You have a budget of our budgets.

[A]

In the bar budgets. No, no, no, no, no. The $9 million, they have to pay it in 60 days.

[G]

Okay? So you get a loan. You have to find.

[A]

The problem is, I don't know. Here's the problem with the loan. Here's the problem. I'm not. I bet they could get a loan. I bet they probably could. Here's the problem. For the first time. Hang on, hang on, hang on. For the first time in 20 years, the athletic department is in the red now because of nil. They used to be in the black. We used to give money back to the school. We are now in the red. And we actually had to take a loan from the school. It's the first time we've ever had to do that, by my understanding, in a long, long time. So this is probably the worst financial position the athletics department has been in in 20 years.

[G]

Have you looked at that schedule next year?

[A]

Oh, it's terrible. It's going to be terrible. Whoever.

[G]

I mean, we're going to. We're going to relive. We're going to relive what we did this year.

[A]

I agree.

[G]

Again, but.

[A]

But that still doesn't make the money. But that still doesn't make the money appear. I mean, I think 38.

[G]

38,000 season ticket holders pay $200 more 38,000.6.

[A]

But that. Okay, but you're. You're still 30 million short. No.

[G]

Well, you do whatever. You have to get a loan. If you do 38,000 times $200 gets you $7.6 million per year, and you.

[A]

Still owe 34 million.

[G]

Huh? Then. Then you have. Then you. That's 7.6 per year. You get a loan, but they have.

[A]

To pay it in 60 days. They have to pay it in 60 days.

[G]

You have to. You have to get a loan to pay the $45 million.

[C]

All right, let's just get a loan, Mitch. Let's just keep getting loans. We have a loan to put WI FI in the stadium.

[A]

I mean, and there's also the fact that they're trying to do this entertainment district, which, I don't know. It will work, but my guess is they have a huge budget for that. So, again, I'm just giving you realities. I'm not the one making the decision. Drew would let him go now, money be damned. Shannon and Ryan would keep him. I am leaning towards getting rid of him, but I also. Somebody's gonna have to show me where my money comes from because. I don't know.

[C]

We keep focusing on Stoops and Bowley and the schedule. It's a money issue.

[A]

It's money.

[C]

Where is Mitch's accountability? He handcuffed both programs.

[A]

I think it's a completely fair.

[C]

No. No one's saying his name in all this.

[A]

Well, he. It should, because you're right. That contract was a disaster.

[C]

So, yeah, Stoops could be better, but we're in this situation because of Mitch, not Stoop. Stoops just signed a paper that was beneficial for him, which anyone would have signed.

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[F]

Well, I can read you a text message I got if you want me to go for it.

[A]

Guys trying to be funny boy, he gets mad. I love you for that. You like he ride a laugh. But then if somebody writes him on the table. But Ryan does not like strangers giving him a hard time.

[F]

You guys can do it again.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Okay. Here's a text I got. You're talking about this currently. I think Stoops needs another year. His mentality is perfect for us. He had a terrible schedule the last two years. If Bowley is this good and they can improve offense, I'm good with it.

[A]

See, I wish we could do drew a poll of the fan base because I continue to believe it's hard to get a representative sample. You know what I mean? Like it's hard to know if you go on Twitter, everyone wants to fire him. If you go on KS board, virtually everyone wants to fire. If you come to our shows, you see how it fluctuates week to week. Yeah, right. I don't know what it's like if you're. If you were to take a poll of the season ticket holders. I don't know. I feel like I say this a lot. I feel like we interact with more different types of fans than anyone. And it's still hard to read because every group is different. I had a lady on Friday at the remote Shannon at Parlor Pizza get mad at me and say, you're way too mean to Stoop. And I was like, me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There are people who think I'm too nice to him. So I don't know, Drew, how you could get a representative sample. And I wish I could. Like, if I said to you text in the text machine, do you want to keep him or not? I think the knots would definitely win because the keeping people are going to be like, well, I don't want to. So I think we're. Drew, it's like we're all almost guessing, you know? Yeah.

[C]

And I'm with you. I'll get. I'll get two messages in two minutes, and one of them will say, you're being too mean. Stop being frank, Franklin. This is unbecoming. You're not a fan. This is bad for the university. And the other person is like, you're not being mean enough. And they will be back to back in my messages a minute apart.

[A]

And the other thing is, we all tend in life hang out with people that are like us, Shannon.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So we end up with hearing the opinions of people who have the same opinions we are. It's exactly what happened to my party in 2016. Democrats only hung out with each other, and then we couldn't believe Trump won.

[B]

Yep. If you did that poll, Pat, this past Friday, you'd have a completely different result than you would you would that.

[A]

Poll, Drew, who's the one who most thinks there should be a change, acknowledges if we beat Louisville, maybe it flips. And so, like, that's why this is all so much in. In flux. It seems like even week to week, one person writes, matt, I don't understand how boosters could want him back. Do they not care about the university, or do they just care about their friendship? Well, that's easy for you to say because it's not your money. So let's just put our money where our mouth is. How much would you be willing to give to pay Mark Stoop? How much money would you be willing to write on a check that goes directly into mark Stoop's pocket?

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Me$0 because I didn't put him in this spot. I will get 800,000 in retirement.

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Now, Drew is the one who most wants a change, and he's willing to put up $0 because I'm not backing.

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Up the situation that someone put him in.

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And that's a reasonable position.

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Yes, it is.

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If there were normal circumstances, I would, but I'm not letting someone out.

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Okay, but think about that. We want these people to pay money. And a lot of them may have Drew's view of, well, I'm not the one that did it. I ain't paying. And so then where are you getting the money?

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It's not going to magically appear somewhere.

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Because Drew's position is completely reasonable. Yeah, Shannon, that would be the position you would have. Of course I paying it. You did this.

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Do whatever you want with the money. As long as it's not mine, I don't care what you do.

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And I think that would be just.

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Another bailout for him.

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And I think a couple boosters. So fans want a bailout. And there are a couple, and a lot. Some of the boosters may be like, well, ain't coming from me. So, Mark Anthony, what's up? Who's next?

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Good morning, all y'. All.

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Go ahead.

[G]

Listen, fellas, Diego's mom, the first shot I saw, she had her foot propped up on that rail in front of her wasn't the high boots. It was the area between the top of them boots and them.

[A]

All right, all right, Clark, that's a. That's a Ryan Lemon comment right there. Just. Everybody just. Everybody just turn it down a little bit, okay?

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There was a. There was little boys watching the football game, fell in love with Diego's mom and didn't really know why.

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I understand.

[G]

As far as next week's game, when you have a horse, you run him in a race and he finishes dfl your next move is to go down in class. And I really think. I really think next week's game. We're going down in class.

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We are. That's true.

[G]

That gives us a chance.

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And this is an allowance race next week.

[G]

So if people are still wanting to get rid of Stoopsy after next year, even if the next month, next week, even if he wins, who you going to get to replacing? And is that person going to be able to recruit enough talent?

[A]

Well, I disagree. That would be one place I would disagree with you. There are people. I appreciate the call you could get. This job is now much more attractive than it was 15 years ago, in my opinion. Dennis and Richmond. Go ahead, Dennis.

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It all comes down Saturday. And, you know, Stoops wins this game and has a good off season. They promote Burley. There's going to be season tickets. I'm a season ticket holder, and you know I'm going to renew my. It all comes down to Saturday.

[A]

Okay, so is that right? You. Your renewal will depend on whether we beat Louisville. Well.

[G]

Well, I don't want to. It's going to come down to a lot of things, but I've been seeing ticket since 98. So I'm not one of these people that want to. I'm not irrational to give up my season tickets because of one football game. But I had become frustrated over the last few years, last couple years especially because we got drugged three times this year in sec. We did three times. We got drugs. And there's at this point, don't get me wrong, I'm a speech guy. But at some point, this has got to end. Now to me, like I said, it all comes down to Saturday and what we do Saturday.

[A]

I think there's a lot of fans. Dennis, I got to cut you off because we got to go to break. I think there's a lot of fans like Dennis, more than you think, who are like their view can change game to game and Saturday will be big for those people. We're going to take a break. We'll come back. Our number two. This is Kentucky Sports Radio.

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