2025-12-01- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

KSR Podcast Summary (Hour 2) – December 1, 2025

Main Theme:
The KSR crew—led by Matt Jones and Ryan Lemond—dives deep into Kentucky Football’s coaching search following Mark Stoops’ departure. They analyze potential candidates, debate priorities for the program’s next era, and gauge the pulse of fans and insiders as decision-makers frantically work behind the scenes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Behind the Stoops Departure & Leadership Decisions

• The hour opens with Matt and Ryan reflecting on Mark Stoops' exit.
• Stoops’ willingness to go "all-in" for the program is lauded, but his relationship with the student fan base and lack of engagement with students is discussed as a contributing factor to the recent lack of support.
  • "Stoops didn't do anything to cultivate students really at all… It matters a little bit. Doesn't matter a ton, but it matters." (20:33, Matt Jones)
• Matt stresses the importance of timely, transparent decision-making by UK Athletics, pointing out that having a clear, actionable plan—even before firing a coach—is essential.

2. Who Are the Top Coaching Candidates?

• Discussion centers on three main names:
  • Will Stein (Offensive Coordinator, Oregon):
    • Lexington native, Kentucky fan, creative offensive mind.
    • "Most people think really creative mind." (06:39, Matt Jones)
    • Connection with UK’s quarterback recruit, Cutter Ponotoski, for whom Oregon (and Stein) finished second to UK.
  • Brian Hartline (OC/WR Coach, Ohio State):
    • UK alum Mike Hartline’s brother, elite recruiter, intimately familiar with UK program.
    • "If we offered the job to Brian Hartline, he would take it." (07:46, Matt Jones)
    • Could bring “some of that Ohio State juice” and potentially transfer talent from Ohio State.
  • Dan Mullen (Head Coach, UNLV):
    • Known for taking Mississippi State to national prominence and turning around struggling UNLV, but concerns linger about his tenure at Florida and fit with UK.
    • "Mullen, I'm kind of like you, definitely. Third, I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't hate it." (10:30, Matt Jones)

Discussion of Each Candidate

• Stein and Hartline are considered home run, youthful, high-upside hires.
  • "Swing for the fences. If you hit a foul ball in three years, we'll swing again. But let's go see if we can find Ellie De La Cruz and let's stop bringing in retreads." (11:16, Matt Jones)
• Mullen (and others like Chip Kelly) are seen as reruns/‘retreads’—former big names whose best days may be behind them.

3. Fan & Insider Expectations: Timeline and Decision Process

• Fans want swift action given the recruitment calendar and transfer portal chaos.
• Matt and Ryan discuss the likely search committee:
  • Mitch Barnhart (AD), Mark Hill (Barnhart's “right-hand man”), and potentially a former player or voice like Jacob Tamme.
  • "He had Tim Couch when he hired Stoops. It would make sense if it was Tamme since Tamme's on that board." (15:31, Matt Jones)
• Will Stein, per sources, is being interviewed today—a sign of urgency.
• Interest in and connection with Rich Brooks (former UK coach, now at Oregon alongside Stein), noted as a goodwill factor.

4. Caller Opinions & Community Vibe

• Student and young fan opinions signal a strong desire for change, excitement, and modern, up-tempo football.
• Callers overwhelmingly favor Stein or Hartline, with little enthusiasm for Mullen or any “celebrity” hires (e.g., Gruden, Chip Kelly).
  • "That's like having a clogged toilet and taking a crap on top of it, expecting to fix it. We need a plumber to come in here…"(32:29, Caller “Luke”)

5. What UK Must Prioritize in the New Era

• Youth/Hunger:
  • Both hosts push for a young, hungry coach who fits the modern NIL/portal landscape.
  • "I want a young guy…I want them to be my age or younger in my opinion, for this new era." (13:47, Matt Jones)
• Offensive Excitement:
  • After years of grind-it-out football, there’s strong agreement UK needs a higher-powered, visually appealing offense.
  • "Even when they were winning… the offense was not the most fun to watch. So I'm excited to get a guy who can come in here and make the offense really exciting." (36:55, Caller “Hunter”)
• Program Connection:
  • Unique moment: Multiple top hotshot coordinators with deep local ties—unlikely to ever happen again.
  • "When's that ever going to happen again?" (28:56, Matt Jones)
• Retention Concerns:
  • Some callers worry about losing a successful new hire to a bigger program, but Matt argues that, in today’s market and with NIL, UK can hang onto winners longer.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matt on the Importance of Swinging Big:
  • "Let's swing for a superstar. Let's swing for our Signetti. Maybe we don’t get it, but I think I'd rather do that than bring in a guy like Mullen who I feel like would do fine… Why don't we swing for the fences to be great?" (11:48)
• Ryan’s Take on Hartline’s Recruiting:
  • "But their fifth best receiver gets drafted. The potential of him bringing some of those guys with him and some of that Ohio State juice that he's had." (09:36)
• Caller “Luke” with the analogy of the day:
  • "That's like having a clogged toilet and taking a crap on top of it, expecting to fix it. We need a plumber to come in here, plunge out the toilet, inject some life and some offense into this fanbase..." (32:23)
• Matt on the uniqueness of this hiring moment:
  • "If you can get one of those three guys…Will we ever have three dudes with connections to the University of Kentucky on the top 10 list again?" (29:22)
• Matt on program priorities:
  • "Now if they win, we could keep them... Used to be, if anybody had any real success, they’ll be gone. But now we can keep them in this new era." (11:48)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:06: Show kicks off, first reactions to Stoops/UK situation.
• 05:53: Naming and analysis of top three coaching candidates.
• 07:29: Hartline’s candidacy, sources indicating he’d take the job if offered.
• 09:37–11:48: Debates over who is the superior candidate between Stein and Hartline. Arguments for “swinging for the fences” with a “superstar” hire.
• 13:47: Emphasis on hiring a "young and hungry" coach for the NIL/Portal era.
• 19:59–26:42: Callers’ reactions, including students and out-of-state fans. Broad consensus: excitement for change and preference for youth/offense.
• 28:55–31:07: Matt on the rarity of the current opportunity with so many UK-affiliated top candidates.
• 36:55: Caller “Hunter” sums up fan fatigue with Stoops-ball and desire for a high-energy offense.
• 40:42: Lane Kiffin contract bonuses—brief sidebar.
• 47:00: Final thoughts on candidate pool and urgency.
• 48:27: The episode closes with optimism about landing a top choice and hints about real-time interviews/decisions occurring even as the show is live.

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Takeaways

• Momentum is Squarely on the Side of Reinvention:
  • Hosts and callers agree: UK Football needs a jolt—youthful leadership, creative offense, and a cultural reset.
• Fan Base is Engaged and Informed:
  • The KSR audience comes equipped with research, opinions, and a pulse on both current UK affairs and the national landscape.
• Sense of Urgency is Real:
  • UK can and should move quickly, but not rush to mediocrity—opportunity knocks with major program ties at the top of the candidate list.

In sum:
The KSR crew and Big Blue Nation see this not as a crisis, but as a time of rare opportunity. With several coaches who have Kentucky blood and national reputations available, the message is clear: swing big, choose with vision, and trust the next era could be special if the right decision is made—immediately.

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Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

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[Ryan Lemond]

Now here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. Hour number two, Kentucky Sports Radio, 859-280-2287 Text Machine 772-774-5254. One person writes, Matt, you're the king of I'm telling you story but not telling. Yes, that's probably true.

[Ryan Lemond]

Keeps him wanting more. Now, what you just said told us.

[Matt Jones]

Well, no, but I, I have to say, like, I'm explaining to you how he got Joe there. And I could have just said we never talked to him and act like that didn't happen, but it did. And I watched it and it mattered. I'd love to listen. I'd love to tell you. I just, there would be people who would punch me if I said that. And so I'm, I can't do that. But it was, you know, it just told me that Mark Stoops was going to do what it took to win here. And they did.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yes. I can share a fun line from that night. Go ahead. Still embarrassed about it. Joe Kraft was to my right. I've never felt small.

[Matt Jones]

You didn't even know him till that night.

[Ryan Lemond]

I mean, I knew of him, but I never met him.

[Matt Jones]

Never met him.

[Ryan Lemond]

And I remember we're ordering and Joe ordered. And then it came time for me to order and I ordered the fries with JC Sauce. And I said, what is JC Sauce? And the server's like, it's the Joe Kraft sauce. And I just slid under the table because Joe heard it and kind of winked at me. But on the menu is the JC Sauce.

That's pretty good.

[Matt Jones]

That's how you know. Yeah, that's how you know. One person writes, Matt. Well, he actually takes some shots at me, but then he says, you should work on the way you talk to people on the phone. I, you may be right about that. But when I say, hey, everybody, we're not going to talk about this. And then you start talking about it, and then I say, we're not talking about that. And then you talk over me and keep talking about it. I. If you. A rule is not a rule without what a punishment. You have to.

[Ryan Lemond]

Have to.

[Matt Jones]

Because if you don't, then you encourage. I like Jerry. I've been much meaner to Jerry than that. And he'll call back. But we were talking about Stoops. Now, if Jerry called, I would let him talk about this, which is what's. No. Which is what's next. Okay, so the first of all, do you think we'll have someone? Do you think they already. There are people who believe they already have someone. I tend to not think that's true. Do you think they already have someone?

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think they have someone, but I think Mitch had probably been doing his due diligence for about a month. Just line up some guys just in case.

[Matt Jones]

I think they brought. They do that a lot, though.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

But like, you don't expect an announcement tomorrow? No.

[Ryan Lemond]

You got to move quick in this. There are players right now looking for a place to go. Signing day is Wednesday. With the.

[Matt Jones]

Might do it tomorrow.

[Ryan Lemond]

No, I'm just saying they have to. Now. I'm going to disagree with Ryan.

[Matt Jones]

Tomorrow.

[Ryan Lemond]

Soon. Soon.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. I don't know if they do it.

[Ryan Lemond]

Tomorrow, maybe not by tomorrow precisely, but I'm going to disagree with Ryan. I think the fact that they didn't. Weren't even prepared to fire Stoops tells me they were not ready for this. There should have been a plan in place before you even kicked off against Louisville.

[Matt Jones]

I think they had a list like you said, but I don't. I don't think they have a part now. Maybe I'll be wrong. Maybe we'll announce it today. I do think, though, let's talk about two people that the names that are coming up, the. There are three people whose names I think are on the list, and maybe are the three. Will Stein, Brian Hartline and Dan Mullen. Yep. So let's talk about why each one of them. Will Stein from Lexington. From Louisville.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Dad played at Kentucky.

[Ryan Lemond]

Correct.

[Matt Jones]

He played at Louisville.

[Ryan Lemond]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

Played with Teddy Bridgewater. Right. Am I right about that?

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm sure he's quarterback. Quarterback.

[Matt Jones]

I think he was the quarterback got taken out. Teddy Bridgewater came in, maybe against us.

[Ryan Lemond]

And there will be people that tell you that he wanted to go to Kentucky. There just wasn't really a spot out of high school. Grew up a Kentucky fan.

[Matt Jones]

Grew up a Kentucky fan. So even Though he played at Louisville and all that blood was Kentucky, went to Trinity. Offensive coordinator at Oregon. Most people think really creative mind. There's a YouTube video out there that you should watch today. It is Will Steining explaining his principal. Will Stein explaining his principles of offense for like nine minutes. You want to get a sense of who that guy is, go watch that YouTube video. That's WillStop.

[Ryan Lemond]

He says, I feed the studs, make sure my guys get the ball. The guys that need the ball, get the ball.

[Matt Jones]

Oregon is in the playoff. They will not be playing though in the championship game. I think that's important. If you're talking to a coordinator who's playing in the championship game, they're a little busy this week, right? Will Stein is busy, but he ain't as busy as them.

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[Matt Jones]

Something to think about. Brian Hartline, what's his job?

[Ryan Lemond]

Is he the oc, OC Slash receivers? OC and the receiver room loves him. And that's the Ohio State receiver.

[Matt Jones]

Ohio State receivers, Brian Hartline, you may recognize that name. Mike Hartlines, his brother. That was our quarterback and it was.

[Ryan Lemond]

On the staff right now and is.

[Matt Jones]

On the staff right now.

[Ryan Lemond]

Played a big role with bowling.

[Matt Jones]

People couldn't know more about the UK program than Brian Hartline. I have a very good source, like the sourcest of sources that says if we offered the job to Brian Hartline, he would take it.

[Ryan Lemond]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Now, I don't know that we've offered it or even Will, but. But I know. Write it down. If we offered him the job, he would be the coach. Absent him getting another better job. Okay.

[Ryan Lemond]

And they are playing this weekend.

[Matt Jones]

They are playing this weekend. I think that's important. Then the third guy is Dan Mullen. Took Mississippi State to number one in the country, which is crazy to think about. Coached at Florida. Didn't do great at Florida, but in hindsight did better than people give him credit for. When you compare to the other coaches that were at Florida now at UNLV and in one year got UNLV good and they might have been the worst program in the country for many years. I think those are your top three contenders. There may be others, others may emerge. But I know Mark, I know that Mitch Barnhart will be interested in all three of those. And if there's a list of four or five, those will be three. What do we think of those three contenders?

[Ryan Lemond]

For me, and it seems like a lot of the fan base, Will Stein and Brian Hartline are on their own tier up here. Like get one of those two and Everybody will be happy. Stein, I think people, obviously his offense is a lot of fun. He's done great at Oregon with multiple quarterbacks, but just the connection. We like having one of our own group, Kentucky fan family, season ticket holders. We kind of give that a bump and he's deserving in a hot name right now. Heartline, though, is maybe the best recruiter in the country at Ohio State. We all know the Ohio State receiver room. He's had that job for a long time. But their fifth best receiver gets drafted. The potential of him bringing some of those guys with him and some of that Ohio State juice that he's had.

[Matt Jones]

For a while can recruit the state of Ohio.

[Ryan Lemond]

Can recruit the state of Ohio. And as you whoever just said it more so than Stein, he knows what's going on more than anyone because his brother has been hand in hand with Cutter Bowley's development.

[Matt Jones]

He'll know the strengths and the weaknesses of the program. Mike will know, and Mike will tell.

[Ryan Lemond]

Brian who to keep, who not to keep.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

You know.

Yeah. So I love both of those options. I might lean Stein just because, you know, being a fan, I would love having one of our own. Not that Brown Heartline doesn't like uk, but either one of those. And I'd be very happy.

[Matt Jones]

So you would lean Stein?

[Ryan Lemond]

Probably, but it's 51 49. Stein's just not as proven.

[Matt Jones]

Let's say it was Dan Mullen. Would you be mad?

[Ryan Lemond]

I'd be a little disappointed when one of the other two. And I think back to Mullen kicking our tail at Mississippi State every year. I think he went to eight straight bowl games there. I didn't love him as a just a person back then. Might have to delete some tweets, but his record's undeniable.

[Matt Jones]

I would say I want it to be. I'll take either Stein or Heartline and be thrilled. I've kind of flipped in the last 24 hours. I kind of. The more I hear about Heartline and think about him recruiting Ohio, he might have slightly gotten ahead of time. But what I'd want to do is just talk to both of them and see who do you think it is. Like, I kind of do trust the judgment of the people that will make that decision. If they got those two guys in a room, you figure out which one's best. Mullen, I'm kind of like you, definitely. Third, I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't hate it. I don't think it's. You could do worse, but I'm of this belief. Ryan, go get a young guy. All right. Adam Luckett said it great on the KSR thing yesterday. Swing for the fences.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

If you hit a foul ball in three years, we'll swing again. But let's go see if we can find Ellie De La Cruz and let's stop bringing in retreads. Right. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. But let's go for the fences because here's the difference between now and in past years. Now, if they win, we could keep them true like Kurt Signetti. We could keep them. Used to be, if anybody had any real success, they'll be gone. But now we can keep them in this new era. So let's swing for a superstar.

[Caller]

Are.

[Matt Jones]

Let's swing for our Signetti. Maybe we don't get it, but I think I'd rather do that than bring in a guy like Mullen who I feel like would do fine. But we're six or seven wins and we're probably solid. Why don't we swing for the fences to be great?

[Ryan Lemond]

So are there some guys out there that they should at least make go? Say no. Swing for the fences? Like.

[Matt Jones]

No, but I think those guys are swinging. I. I don't want Jon Gruden. I don't want that. Do we saw it with Belichick, it.

[Ryan Lemond]

Didn'T work and he hadn't coached us how long.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I like. But I mean, if he comes, I'll talk myself into it, but, like, I don't want that. It's not. That's not working right now.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's the UK athletics hire. Let's do something that would have been good in the year 2000.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. That's. Let's go buy MySpace.

[Ryan Lemond]

Don't give him that idea, Matt. Don't do it. Don't take out a loan and do it.

[Matt Jones]

Let's. So. So when I say swing for the fences, I mean swing for, like Will Stein or Brian Hartline is going to get offered a great job one day. Let's try to beat him to it.

[Ryan Lemond]

In Heartline's name service at Penn State.

[Matt Jones]

And maybe he goes and does that and you can't help that if that happens. Yeah, but it'd be nice if he.

[Ryan Lemond]

Got him here and with Heartline. Ohio State fans love him and talked about him replacing Ryan Day eventually. Now, Ryan Day is going to be there a long time now that he won a championship. But, you know, if Ohio State loves him, I think we can love him.

Too, you know, When Mullen was at Florida, they. He left kind of a messy situation down there when he left. Right. I don't think the people were real happy with him.

[Matt Jones]

Well, but they're Florida. They haven't had it with anybody. They fired like because he lost to Kentucky. But if you look back at all the dudes since Spurrier that they've gotten mad about, he's been better than all of them. I guess Urban Meyer was really. But. But beside. But like all these kind of no name guys, he was better than all them.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

Will Stein's mid-30s, Brian Hartline's not 40. Probably just beneath it. Mullins got to be in his mid-50s. I'm ballparking here. I love just youth like you said. If you could keep them, maybe you have something for a long time.

[Matt Jones]

I want a young guy like I want to do. They need to be my age or younger in my opinion, for this new era.

[Ryan Lemond]

Somebody that's hungry.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Well, hungry for sure. Yeah, like for sure. I think most of these guys would be hungry. Even Dan Mullen's probably hungry because he's embarrassed. Way Florida ended and he's coaching at UNLV where eight people are at the games. But I think Will Stein and Brian Hart, like, like they're going to make or break their career if they come here.

[Ryan Lemond]

All right?

[Matt Jones]

So they're going to want to do whatever they can do.

[Ryan Lemond]

Another Will Stein angle is our QB of the future past Cutter Ponotoski, who's pushed back his signing day a little bit, still committed. Oregon was second and Will Stein was his recruiter.

[Matt Jones]

So you got to assume, I mean.

[Ryan Lemond]

It was a two horse race for him. So if he were going to step away or you know, with our opening, if he were considering stepping away, bringing in the guy that finished second, the recruitment's a pretty good idea too.

[Matt Jones]

So go ahead.

[Ryan Lemond]

Mitch is making these calls like this morning, like right now.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, yes. It's happening as we speak. I think the question is who are the decision makers? Last time it was Mitch Barnhart, Dwayne Peavey and Tim Couch. That was the group that hired Mark Stoops. They had more time though. They went and interviewed like five guys. I think he went every like Sonny Dykes, that dude that ended up at Colorado. I can't remember his name. There was like the Lincoln Raleigh was. Lincoln Raleigh was one. There was like the special teams coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys or something. There was like five guys. I don't think they have time to do that now. I'm just going to Guess what I think the group would be. And this is a guess, probably Mitch Barnhart. The guy that's in Dwayne Peevey's role is now Mark Hill. And then let. I think, I think Barnhart likes to have a player kind of person. Remember he had Mike Pratt when he hired Cal.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yes, right, right.

[Matt Jones]

He had Tim Couch when he hired Stoops. It would make sense if it was Tammy since Tammy's on that board. Wouldn't that make sense?

[Ryan Lemond]

Perfect sense.

[Matt Jones]

So I don't know if that's the group. Plus Tammy is very much like Barnhart, you know, Fellowship of Christian athlete. Like I could totally see Barnhart saying, jacob, you want to come do this?

[Ryan Lemond]

Tammy just put out a long tweet about Stoops too.

[Matt Jones]

What did it say?

[Ryan Lemond]

It's a lot to read, a lot of thinking in. But it ends with. Recent seasons have been disappointing. The factors required to win at the highest level of college football has shift dramatically for Kentucky football to take the next step. It's time for next chapter. Let's go make it happen. Sounds like a guy that's.

[Matt Jones]

That sounds like a guy involved. I was about to say that sounds like a guy that had something to do with it ending.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I have, I mean, literally no basis for this. This is not. But I just kind of feel like he was a part. I just, I kind of do. He's on that board.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's it.

He's tweeting about let's go make it happen.

[Matt Jones]

He's making like official esque statements and let's go make it happen.

[Ryan Lemond]

It's a guy who cares. I trust.

[Matt Jones]

I think now maybe the person to look at is what does Larry Vaught say? Larry Vaught might be back with his views coming from Danville. Ryan.

[Ryan Lemond]

So if Mark Hill is involved in this search, does that make.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know that he is. I don't know. I have no idea if he is. Okay.

[Ryan Lemond]

But you think being Barnhart's right hand man, he probably.

[Matt Jones]

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[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back Techie Sports Radio. Let's just get and see what people think. Let's go to Caden. Go ahead, Kaden.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt. I mean student at the university and over the recent years, it's been kind of sad to see over these past two seasons how students have turned on Mark.

[Matt Jones]

Students definitely did turn.

[Caller]

Yeah. It was insane. I go to games and during the game we'd be up 40 against Florida and they would still be doggone. But I hope with the next guy that he either is the biggest win that we could possibly have for the program or the biggest bus out of the game. I hope that we can get our foot in a direction and I hope the best for the next coach.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. What the students, the younger fans appreciate the call definitely turned on on Stoops. I think it goes back to the Cal Stoops fight. The. A lot of younger fans were on Cal side there and I think. But, but and then also like he just. Stoops didn't do anything to cultivate students really at all. And you. I think that, I mean it doesn't. It matters a little bit. Doesn't matter a ton, but it matters. I think. By the way, sources tell Matthew Jones that they're going to. They're talking to Will Stein today, maybe talking to other people, but that they're talking to Will start today.

[Ryan Lemond]

Another will start angle. There are several pictures of him and Rich Brooks together up at Oregon. Like it's clear they like each other. And you know, Pat Paul, still beloved here. One phone call could go a long way for him since I mean, don't.

[Matt Jones]

Make so much about that. Like he might be talking to five people too.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But I only my source to the extent I have it is about Willston maybe even talking like right now.

[Ryan Lemond]

I think it does matter that he's off this week where Ohio State's got.

[Matt Jones]

A championship game for Calipari became the coach maybe over Izzo because Izzo still had to play that week.

[Ryan Lemond]

Ohio State makes this run in the playoffs. They're playing all the way until what.

[Matt Jones]

Second week of January, which maybe they think about. But then Oregon could make the same run.

[Ryan Lemond]

You know, maybe I shot, got a shot.

[Matt Jones]

And the only game they lost this year was Indiana.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So Clay, Go ahead. Clay.

[Caller]

I'm 22. I'm a fan of Stoops. I just don't see replacing him to his previous success. I just don't see somebody following with the eight straight bowl games.

[Matt Jones]

Well, maybe they don't. But I mean, he's gone now. He's gone now. So. Now what?

[Caller]

I know. Well, I had to buy somebody breakfast this morning because I made a bet last night over. I didn't think they fired him.

[Matt Jones]

Well, a lot of people did. Nick Rouse didn't think they would. At five o', clock, me, Adam, Justin Rowland and Nick rouse did a YouTube and Nick said he didn't think they would and the other three said yes. But I mean, it wasn't for sure.

[Caller]

I mean, I like the heart line for sure. I mean, I just can't get on board with Dan Mullen. I. I'm just.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't think. I don't think I. I don't think he's the best choice at all. And I. I appreciate the call. You're.

[Caller]

You're not the only person would be a good call.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think he'd be a bad one. I appreciate the call, but a lot. I don't think people want Damn Mo. I think people would be disappointed. I'm just saying I don't think he would be an abject disaster. But he's definitely drew behind these other guys for me.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, he's one at sec. In the sec at a program that's usually at the bottom.

[Matt Jones]

I do not want Chip Kelly. I keep seeing like Bronze Brother. I like Justin Roland, but he mentioned Chip Kelly. What worries me about the Chip Kelly thing is Justin has some sources and I, you know, I hope they're. That's not. I mean, Chip Kelly's another one. We're hiring where we're like buying Yahoo.

[Ryan Lemond]

He jumps around jobs like he's running from the law. Like he's everywhere. Like two or three years.

[Matt Jones]

He just got fired from the Raiders. Like, I don't want that. That's one. Like, I'll. Damn Mullen. I eventually could talk myself into. I don't know, I could talk myself into Chip Kelly.

[Ryan Lemond]

There's a lot of whispers out there that both Stein and Heartline are interested. So if it gets past them, I think drop the ball.

[Matt Jones]

I don't care which one. Flip a coin.

[Ryan Lemond]

They got to get one of those two guys. I think for the fan base to get back on board and be excited again.

[Matt Jones]

Sean from Austin. Go ahead, Sean.

[Caller]

Yeah, I turned you guys on this morning. I heard the news is like the clouds parted and the sun was shining did you not even care? Did you not know there's hope?

[Matt Jones]

Did you not know until you.

[Caller]

Oh, I didn't know until I turned you Guys on this morning.

[Matt Jones]

Wow, that's crazy. I should have thought of that. But go ahead. Yeah.

[Caller]

Going look, going forward this guy's got to be a nil and transfer portal savant. Okay, that's. I mean we're not going backwards in the in in time anymore. So that's all I got to say. I trust your guys judgment. I love your guys show. Go cats.

[Matt Jones]

Appreciate it. Wow. I should have you know I thought about maybe I should lead like it's news and Shannon I thought well of course everybody knows. Oh yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

I mean it's been out for but.

He didn't know happened late last night sometimes. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe they don't like Ryan. Ryan doesn't know until he turns on the, the pre show.

[Ryan Lemond]

I heard on the pre show this morning.

[Matt Jones]

Didn't know who the president of the United States was until he heard it from us.

[Ryan Lemond]

I did enjoy you guys little live stream last night. That was good. You had a good, good.

[Matt Jones]

We did two of them.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah. One last night was good.

[Matt Jones]

I looked up this morning, both of them. Over 40,000 views.

[Ryan Lemond]

My goodness. Really?

[Matt Jones]

It's crazy.

[Ryan Lemond]

The live stream was fun, but that just felt like an old school KSR day. I probably hit refresh 10,000 times. We're on the board talking. You don't. You know, we didn't love that during these circumstances but I had fun following it and just bantering with people online.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, we didn't. That was a very much an old school being online. We didn't do cut tape cover zero because we didn't have time. I expected to do nothing yesterday I was going to read the end of three books and I read none. But it was still fun. It was fun. I enjoyed it. Mike. Go ahead, Mike.

[Caller]

Hey guys. I hope everybody is just is as excited as I am. All right. This is. I'm in Knoxville, Tennessee and I've called in a couple times. But anyway, the reason reason I'm calling is that I really, I believe that heartline would be the guy that could come in and bring some excitement that could bring back some mystique to, to the university. He's young enough to come in. But this is the thing is that I really want to see a coach that can come in and build a team and a culture around him of, you know, a good defense, good offense, special teams, all that. Because it ain't just about that head coach. It's about who he puts around him that's going to help him be successful. So I think that that's, that's what we really need to be looking at when we're hiring someone who can build a team.

[Matt Jones]

I agree. But lots of guys, the key to building a team. I appreciate the call. And if I was doing the interviews that I as I would want to know what people, if they know their weaknesses and do you. You fill them with other people. Like I had somebody write me and say these guys are too young. Stein and Heartland, they're in their mid-30s. Well, it's a new world. People in their mid-30s might know more of what to do in the new world. Yeah, I think the problem in the world, we got too many old people trying to run everything, maybe move it to the new generation. Right. Sometimes people, I mean, if you think about it, the people in the world who make the biggest change are usually pretty young. Right. They're usually the ones that like see the new mold. So I'm good with that. We'll take a break. Be right back. KSR TJ Smith, personal injury attorney.

[Ryan Lemond]

Call tj.

He'll make him pay.

[Matt Jones]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage.

[Ryan Lemond]

Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back, Techy Sports Radio. This comment comes in on the text which by the way, there's a bunch of people that said they didn't know until the show started. Well, you know, my gut said to like talk about it as New Shannon. Yeah. And I should have.

[Ryan Lemond]

Okay, we need breaking news then. So everybody that's tuning in.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, let's do it. Breaking news. Mark Stoops has been let go by the University of Kentucky.

[Ryan Lemond]

Wow. What?

[Matt Jones]

And the Cats will have a new.

[Ryan Lemond]

Did they really. There was. Did they really.

[Matt Jones]

Good job, Ryan. That was nice. One person says, Matt, talking about Signetti, why don't we mention Bob Chesney of James Madison could bring 15 proven guys immediately. It's exactly what's happened at these other schools like Indiana and Vandy. I wouldn't be against it, but at the same time, like here, let's put it like this. This is what I would say going into this hiring season if you were to have asked the average person in college football, give me 10 hot names for big time jobs at the end of the season, three names would have been on that list. John Sumrall, Will Stein and Brian Hartline. They have connections to Kentucky.

[Ryan Lemond]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

When's that ever going to happen again?

[Ryan Lemond]

May never ever.

[Matt Jones]

All right. So some Rawlings up at Florida. It's a whole different conversation about whether or not that could have been here. I'm skeptical he wouldn't. I think. I feel like Florida is just a Better job. You have to take it. Maybe I'm wrong. That's just what I feel. But if you can get one of those three guys. Will we ever have three dudes with connections to the University of Kentucky on the top 10 list again?

[Ryan Lemond]

When Stoops got the job, everybody was considered, had zero connection to Kentucky.

[Matt Jones]

So now that we got to get one of them right, like, this is our chance. Plus, they. They have. They just have a connection here. They know this place. Will Stein knows the state of Kentucky. Brian Hartline knows the program. Like, we just got it. We got this. Do one of them. It's right there for us. It's right there for you. And think about how much it would kill us if those three guys all end up being successes and we didn't get one of them when we had a chance.

[Ryan Lemond]

That would be a massive failure. You still have two left. I think it'll be a massive failure if you don't get only one.

[Matt Jones]

So if you get one of the others.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, no, one of the three, you're good.

[Matt Jones]

Just get one of them. And you're playing a lottery. Maybe you win it, maybe you don't. But it would hurt. It's like when Chris Lofton went to Tennessee. It would hurt a lot more, Ryan, if they were there and you didn't try one of them.

[Ryan Lemond]

Absolutely. So why don't you go after both of them? Does it matter which one you get as long as you just get one of the two?

[Matt Jones]

I just. Honestly, if I was Mitch, I might just. I'd interview them both.

[Ryan Lemond]

First one to jump.

[Matt Jones]

First one. Well, first one. I liked whichever one of the two I thought was better than I'd offer. But if they both were equal, I just flip a coin and say, first.

[Ryan Lemond]

One to come, first one, jump.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, stop. Floor, Lord. Heads or tail? Because I just feel like it's meant to be if they're both connected to here. Yeah, right.

[Ryan Lemond]

And even though they're kind of different styles, there's got to be no more than a year or two apart in age. And they're both coordinators at two huge brands in college football who behind the scenes, have it figured out. I mean, both of those are like professional operations. And you could be bringing their, you know, second in command pretty much to come run your.

[Matt Jones]

Your program.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think we could be upset if you took someone that Oregon loves.

[Matt Jones]

Or that Ohio State loves and don't overthink it. Interview them both. Let's just say it's Mitch Barnhart, Mark Hill, and Jacob Tanner. Me the three of you sit there and do like Myron and I do on King of the Mountain. Two out of three. And that's who we're taking. Right.

[Ryan Lemond]

So somebody should be staking out the airport, see if they get into a flight.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, Brian Hartline could drive, or we could drive up there, let's say Will Stein, probably. But, you know, he's been here. He doesn't need to look at the campus.

[Ryan Lemond]

Do we fly up there to talk to him?

You got Zoom Zoom.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, like, he's. Like, he's been. They've both been here a lot. Like, what do they even really need to see? Probably need none of them.

[Ryan Lemond]

Heartline, honestly, probably knows the team and roster better than Mitch Barnhart from talking to his brother. No, I'm not. That's not a shot at Mitch Barnard. Literally.

Yes.

Mike has been on the staff with Cutter Bowie all season. He has. He knows everything there is to know to tell his brother.

[Matt Jones]

Luke. Go ahead, Luke.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Just wanted to say definitely thankful for what Steve said over the years, but I am very ready for a new coach. I love Brian Hartline. I know high school recruiting isn't as important, but to me, if you can steal a guy from Ohio State and from your backyard, you got to kind of do it. I still love Will Stein, too. I think he's good to me. Dan Mullen is fifth on the list. I'd rather have the James Madison guy or Jared Parker at Troy that nobody's talking about, because he would absolutely say yes to the Kentucky job no matter what. He's a head coach. He's playing in the championship game in the Sun Belt. He's. He is a good coach. I think he would do well here as well. But, you know, I'm just glad that Justin Roland doesn't make the hiring decisions, because if Chip Kelly or Brian Kelly were the coaches, that's like fix. That's like having a clogged toilet and taking a crap on top of it, expecting to fix it. We need a plumber to come in here, plunge out the toilet, inject some life and some offense into this fan base. And I gotta say, either Wilstein or Brian Hartline, those are grand slam hires. The James Madison coach or Jared Parker. Home runs, and Dan Mullen's a double.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. I like. I think that's a great call all the way around.

[Ryan Lemond]

Call the day right there.

[Matt Jones]

Adam Luckett, by the way, mentioned the. The Troy guy as a possibility. John, go ahead, John.

[Caller]

I saw that Bobby Petrino has Reached out.

[Matt Jones]

Stop, stop. I don't want to hear it. Stop it. Stop it. Don't even. Don't even speak that into existence.

[Caller]

Other thing I saw that the private plane tracking seasons upon us boys craft plane apparently has landed in Columbus, Ohio.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they wouldn't fly to Columbus. They drive there. I appreciate the call. They. They would. I mean, maybe. I don't know.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't think they drive to Glasgow, Kentucky.

[Matt Jones]

So maybe they would fly to Columbus. Maybe so.

[Ryan Lemond]

But I don't think it would be necessary for them to.

[Matt Jones]

They wouldn't in person with. But I would suspect. Just suspect. I would suspect they'll talk to both those guys and they should today. Yeah. I'm not as much like y' all that it has to be. Look, here's the deal. Signing days Wednesday.

[Ryan Lemond]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

Right now, the administrative staff needs to be talking to these high school recruits and saying, are you good with this? But once you get to Wednesday, I'm not sure if there's a huge difference between, say, Wednesday and Friday or Saturday. Like, if you're not going to do it today, then I don't know that tomorrow makes it.

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm thinking about current player Bowley's Foley's ringing.

[Matt Jones]

Willie Rodriguez phone is ringing right now until January 2nd. So, like, you do have a little bit of time. They are ringing, but they're going to wait and see who the coach is. I mean, Cutter Bowling and Willie Rodriguez are not going to pick another school today.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's why he said, I think it matters that Ohio State is playing this weekend. Oregon is not.

[Matt Jones]

So I don't think it has to. I disagree with Ryan. Needs to be tomorrow, but it does need to be this week.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, probably. How long did it take for Pope to be hired after Cal Perry Live was four days.

[Matt Jones]

Cal Perry left on a Tuesday. We announced Pope on Friday.

[Ryan Lemond]

Friday, yeah. Three days.

[Matt Jones]

Is that correct?

[Ryan Lemond]

It came out Friday night.

It came out Thursday night.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

At about 10:30 or 11. Like we did last night.

Yeah. And then we did the show, but.

[Matt Jones]

Then Scott Drew came. Well, Caliperi, we thought was gone from, like, Saturday on. It got officially announced. Well, no, we. It was. Well, he. What? We weren't firing. Arkansas announced him on Tuesday. The famous him walking the dog was on Monday.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, it leaked Sunday because I went to the Masters and I just pulled into Augusta and looked at my phone. I'm like, oh, great. I just got here. That was Sunday afternoon. Ish of that week.

[Matt Jones]

But it was quick.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Or did it go. Did it go two days or a week? And a half.

[Ryan Lemond]

Well, because the Drew family definitely flew here. They were here for a whole day. When did that happen?

[Matt Jones]

I'm kind of wondering if it was a week and a half. Maybe it was a week and a half because. Yeah, it was a week and a half because they did the whole Drew family. Then they went up to see Danny Hurley. I think it was a week and a half. I don't think it was two days. I think it was. He left on a Tuesday and we hired Pope the next Friday because. I know. I mean, they went through the Oats and Pearl. Yeah, it was more.

[Ryan Lemond]

No way. Pope was introduced Masters Sunday. I remember because I'm like, I could be watching.

[Matt Jones]

You said the Master Sunday was when you found out Cal was.

[Ryan Lemond]

No, I got there the week of the Masters on a Sunday when Cal left. Remember, I was the day Cal left.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't have a phone.

[Ryan Lemond]

I was at the Master.

[Matt Jones]

You think it was only two days?

[Ryan Lemond]

Positive. Well, there, listen, press conference was Master Sunday for sure.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, Hunter. Hunter and Austin. Go ahead, Hunter. No, he left Final four weekend. Remember? Because they talked about it at the final four, though. Because they met at the final four and talked about it. So it was Tuesday. So you're right. I guess it was two or three days. It felt like. It felt like a month. But go ahead, Hunter.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. I'm going to follow what everyone else says. I'm fine with either of those two guys that are the top candidates. And I love Stoops. But outside of the two Levis years, we've had a fairly, I would say boring team to watch. Even when they were winning, which was fun, but the offense was not the most fun to watch. So I'm excited to get a guy who can come in here and make the offense really exciting.

[Matt Jones]

I agree with you. Do you think that I appreciate the call? Do you think that should be part of the conversation? You have to be bringing in a big time fun offense.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't know if it's a deal breaker, but it needs to take priority. I mean, we all embrace Stoops mentality. It worked for many years. I had just as much as fun as anyone running the ball and having other teams be like, wow, we just got our butt kicked by that offensive line. But I think it is time to try something a little new and bring some excitement. I mean, when Hal mummy was losing 51 to 45, that was still pretty fun. I'd rather win those games, but having a fun offense goes a long way.

[Matt Jones]

I'm done with the bubble screen we had a lot of those Saturday to.

[Ryan Lemond]

The bush bubble screen.

[Matt Jones]

I'm done with the bubble screen. Yeah, it was two day. It was Tuesday. Decision was Friday. So three days.

[Ryan Lemond]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

U n D. By the way, Lane Kiffin will make a million dollars if Ole Miss wins the national title without him. What? That's a great deal.

[Ryan Lemond]

What?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Kiffin's gonna have $13 million. It puts him on par with Kirby Smart, but they're keeping the parts of the Ole Miss contract where he got bonuses. Kiffin just is a dog. Like, that's just how it is, you.

[Ryan Lemond]

Know, playing victim yesterday.

We're all Ole Miss fans up for the playoffs now, aren't we? Trying to pull. I am. I'm pulling for him.

Kiffin is.

[Matt Jones]

Why would he not be? Yeah, Gifford definitely is. You are an Ole Miss fan.

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm pulling for him right now. Absolutely. They kind of getting the. Those kids are getting the shaft a little bit, so I'm pulling for them.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. 859-280-2287. Let's just keep going. Let's go to. Oh, no. Jrock. What's up, Jayrock?

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, y'? All? I just want to know why it's so hard for people to follow your instructions when you call in. You don't talk about the future till you talk about the future. Yeah. Since we talk about the future for.

[Matt Jones]

Y', all, I feel like that's. I feel like that's fairly obvious.

[Ryan Lemond]

Pretty simple.

[Caller]

I. I mean, that's where I get my material from these dummies. But anywho, Guy Morris and Rich Brooks and Joker and. And Stoops.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Caller]

We want to talk about them. Ah.

[Matt Jones]

See, you just. That's why you can't go to him in the serious day.

[Ryan Lemond]

We definitely need to go to him on a serious day.

[Matt Jones]

By the way, we play Carolina tomorrow. Just reminder we need to win real bad.

[Ryan Lemond]

I know Mario's worried. I was on the elevator with him. It's all I talked about was Caleb Wilson. But we got. We're gonna get it done.

Who's gonna guard Caleb Wilson?

[Matt Jones]

Me. Steve. What's up, Steve?

[Caller]

Gentlemen, good morning. Just real fast, I think. Whatever, coach. We go with I think it needs to be assumed that we're looking at maybe a three to six year window. No more 10 year, 12 year, 13 year coaching tenure.

[Matt Jones]

Why not 10 though? I mean, why not 10? Like I think 10 can work. I mean I'm sure Indiana thinks they're going to have Kurt Signetti for 10 years.

[Caller]

I, well, he's not going to be there. That, that guy will retire soon. But someone's talking like Stein, hey, he could be a long term fit, long term hire. Well, he may get hired away. Let's be candid. And that's not a bad thing if we're good enough to have Stein hire.

[Matt Jones]

I agree with you. I totally agree with you. But I would say this is a world where maybe you can keep these guys. I mean Penn State tried to hire.

[Caller]

Look at the sec, Matt, you know, Stu Spy a Mile was the longest tenure coach. There's always going to be turnover. We need to be focused on winning.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I don't know why you're worried about when we're going to fire somebody when we haven't even hired them yet.

[Caller]

Oh, I'm not talking about being fired. I'm talking about them getting hired away.

[Matt Jones]

But why are you worried about that? We're talking about hiring young guys.

[Caller]

Not. I think it's a great thing. I am. You're misinterpreting. I think we need to be thinking of bringing in somebody that is going to want to have others try to poach him from us. And I think that window is a three to six, maybe seven year window if we do this right.

[Matt Jones]

I appreciate the call. I'm just not going to grant you that they're going to be poached whereas I would have granted you that five years ago. You know, multiple. Clark Lee is staying at Vandy. Right. And he got approached by lots of. He is staying at Vandy. You know, Kurt Signetti turned down Penn State to stay at Indiana. I don't know. I think you can keep these guys now maybe you can't keep them from Ohio State and maybe you can't keep them from Alabama, but I think you can keep them now from all but a handful.

[Ryan Lemond]

I'd say it's a, it's a good thing if these big schools are coming after our football coach, that means he's had great success here.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, but I just. Why are we granting. We'll lose people. No, these other schools aren't changed. Times have changed. Lane Kiffin's a little different, but he's laying Kiffin. They put his clothes out on the street. Shannon.

[Ryan Lemond]

I know, right? That's, that's the best thing of the weekend. That was a lot of money.

[Matt Jones]

He got to, I mean, left his clothes.

[Ryan Lemond]

At least they didn't set him on fire. I mean like, like a real divorce.

[Matt Jones]

Somebody cheating on you, you know.

[Ryan Lemond]

Is Marty Smith still there? Poor guy.

[Matt Jones]

You know, they had him down there the whole time and then I, I didn't really ever see him Sunday except he was at the airport, I guess, saying goodbye. DraftKings, we gotta quickly do a DraftKings parlay. Go to DraftKings.com, use my promo code. KSR Bet 3 Win $200 if your bet hits. What is Monday Night Football to?

[Ryan Lemond]

Oh, we got a Giants and.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Giants and the Patriots. What's the spread?

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't know, but I'm going to guess seven and a half.

[Matt Jones]

It's not even on here. Do they not know who's going to play or why there's no line?

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, I'm not seeing a line either. Oh, it is seven and a half. Look at that.

[Matt Jones]

Seven and a half. What do you got? I'm taking the Giants to cover that.

[Ryan Lemond]

Jackson dart supposed to play tonight for the Patriots.

[Matt Jones]

Any Giants cover it. That may be why they didn't have a line on. This is, I don't know if he's.

[Ryan Lemond]

Playing well, I, I, I, you know, offer you guys opinion. You're the NFL experts.

[Matt Jones]

I offer you guys opinion. Yeah, just pick the team.

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm gonna say Giants cover.

[Matt Jones]

I offer you guys opinion. That's not even a sentence. All right, Giants go ahead.

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm gonna go with the Giants too.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Ryan Lemond]

There's also big night for Chris Rodriguez last night. They lost, but he got a start.

Oh, and Ray Davis had his best game of the year last night.

Let's make it a clean sweep.

[Matt Jones]

I'll take the Giants too. All right, we all bet the Giants tonight. Let's go, Eddie, offer you guys opinion. Go ahead.

[Caller]

Yes, sir. I know time's a factor and we need to really make sure we get a good coach. So it's a one time deal. But I had another question. Moving forward, if Mitch leaves, what do you think about Rick Patino as athletic director?

[Matt Jones]

I think that's the worst idea I've heard today, Justin. Go ahead, Justin.

[Caller]

Amen.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Caller]

Kurt Signetti has been the bell of the ball this off season for how well he's done it. Indiana, of course nobody could get him now because he, he signed a contract extension. I just thought, well, I wonder why nobody mentions his coordinators like Mike Shanahan, his offensive coordinator, and Bryant Reigns, his defensive coordinator, both are like, he's a top 10 defense, top 10 offense. I mean, Indiana's putting up like 60 points every week.

[Matt Jones]

It's a good point. Quick question. I mean, I got nothing against that. I don't know much about him, but. Yeah.

[Caller]

Yeah. I just get a little worried that we kind of are getting a little bit tunnel vision here with Stein and Heartline. I understand they're both good. Both are good options, but I feel like we needed to kind of.

[Matt Jones]

But, I mean, what is it about. What does Shanahan have that Stein and Heartline don't have? Everything they've done, everything he's done.

[Caller]

So it's, it's, it's the Signetti connection for me.

[Matt Jones]

But Ryan Day won the national championship last year. But Ryan Day won the national championship last year. So, I mean, yeah, you know, that's true. Daniel Laning's been great.

[Ryan Lemond]

I like.

[Caller]

But I just thought those guys should be mentioned.

[Matt Jones]

No, I appreciate the call. I think that's fair. And if they end up getting one of those guys, maybe I'll be fine with it. But we got a lot of good choices. I heard people say, well, you waited too long. I think it's actually interesting. I think we waited more than these other people. But I think our candidates. I don't think any of these guys that went to other schools were people we were going to look at. Except Sumral. Right?

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, I think we dropped the ball on that. But you still have an opportunity here.

[Matt Jones]

Still have an opportunity. Like, it's like, okay, maybe you, Maybe you didn't get to pick between five great candidates, but you got to pick between four. You should get. All you need is one.

[Ryan Lemond]

Auburn's already hired their guy. What? Arkansas's already hired.

[Matt Jones]

We weren't looking for those guys.

[Ryan Lemond]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

We weren't going to hire Pete Golding or the Memphis coach or the North. Like, we weren't hiring those guys. So here we go.

[Ryan Lemond]

And we're lucky they're here. I would, I wouldn't have much faith if we didn't have the two with connections right now.

[Matt Jones]

But we're going to get one of them. We better, and it's going to be fun. And I think they may be talking to both of them today because there is a private net jet going from Lexington to Columbus.

[Ryan Lemond]

Let's go out to the airport. Stake it out.

[Matt Jones]

Net jets. We'll see you tomorrow. Ksr.

[Ryan Lemond]

It's a rental.

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