2025-12-09- KSR - Hour 1

Summary

Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) – Hour 1

Date: December 9, 2025
Podcast: KSR on iHeartPodcasts and Sports Talk 790 (WKRD-AM)
Host: Matt Jones, with Ryan Lemond, Drew Franklin, and Shannon “The Dude”

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Episode Overview

This episode of Kentucky Sports Radio dives deep into the current turbulent state of University of Kentucky (UK) basketball following their recent devastating loss in Nashville. The hosts dissect fan reactions, team chemistry, rumors, and leadership on the team. They also briefly discuss football coach contract details and Matt’s upcoming ESPN radio play-by-play debut. The conversation is candid, reflective, and classic KSR in tone—balancing analysis with humor and storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The NC Central Game & Matt’s Ties (02:37–05:16)

• Kentucky faces North Carolina Central that night.
• Matt recalls his memorable experience speaking at NC Central years ago about the death penalty—a story that oddly parallels tonight’s opponent.
  • “I got up and spoke about it and proceeded to get peppered with questions for an hour and a half... it was quite intimidating.” (03:15, Matt Jones)

2. The Team’s Mood and What Fans Want to See (05:16–06:40)

• There is doubt that tonight’s game will change the big picture; the real test is Saturday’s Indiana game.
• Drew’s analysis: Fans want to see “togetherness” more than any on-court achievement tonight.
  • “Fans just want to see them act like they like each other. Like go out there, have fun, celebrate your teammate... just show some togetherness.” (05:46, Drew Franklin)
• Tongue-in-cheek suggestions: a team conga line, hand-holding, etc.—emphasizing how dire the situation feels.

3. Booing the Team: Fan Reaction & Changing Expectations (06:40–08:41)

• Booing after the Nashville debacle dominates fan discourse.
• Matt is surprised at how accepted booing has become among UK fans, reflecting a new, more "professional" era in college sports with NIL money.
• Ryan admits he personally wouldn’t boo, calling it “a bad look” (08:33), but understands why others did.

4. Cause of the Team’s Malaise: Event or Chemistry? (08:41–14:11)

• Grappling with what’s wrong: Is there a “bad event” (fight/incident) behind the malaise, or is it just bad chemistry?
  • “If it was one event…and we've heard plenty of rumors…that should only affect a few people. The whole team is playing bad.” (09:58, Drew Franklin)
  • Matt notes a lack of reliable media leaks, perhaps indicating even the staff is in the dark. “Maybe the coaches are perplexed and they have no idea why this is happening, which is…even worse than if we had an explanation.” (11:41, Matt Jones)
• Ryan thinks something definitely happened before the Louisville game, based on Coach Pope’s comments, but isn’t sure what.

5. Is Money the Issue? (14:11–17:19)

• The “players get paid, so they don’t care” narrative resurfaces.
• Matt and Drew both strongly reject this, arguing that many well-paid college and professional players (e.g. at Michigan or Texas Tech) still play hard and succeed.
  • “It cannot be that it is just the money. Now some people don't react well to money…But human nature can be selfish. So I personally do not blame the money because there are others...” (14:45, Matt Jones)
  • “If money was the motivation, I would almost think they'd be...selfish, but they'd at least be playing hard.” (15:53, Drew Franklin)

6. Leadership & Roster Construction (16:52–18:02)

• Ryan blames the two supposed team leaders, Garrison and Otaga, for not stepping up.
  • “Your two big guys you’re counting on…have done nothing to help you much.” (16:52, Ryan Lemond)
• Matt likens the relentless coach positivity to “listening to Ted Lasso after a seven game losing streak,” wanting a more realistic tone. (17:19)

7. Avoiding the Tough Questions: Coaching Show Tactics (17:40–18:32)

• The hosts poke fun at last night’s call-in show, noting that when the staff fills air with old-player interviews (like 30 minutes of Kevin Grevey), it's clear they’re dodging tough conversations about the team’s issues.
  • “When they start bringing on players and doing 30 minute interviews...you've already given it away right there where we are.” (17:49, Matt Jones)

8. Rumor-Mongering: Who Really Knows What’s Going On? (21:32–24:01)

• Matt lists a running joke of various people texting in they "know what's happening" on the team: former players, city aides, local car dealers. They all agree few if any really know.
  • “These are just the people who have written the text machine to say they know what’s going on…which of these people do you think has the best chance of knowing?” (21:54, Matt Jones)

9. Football: New Coaching Contracts (24:01–27:29)

• Discussion of Will Stein’s contract—5.5 million per year, fairly standard for inexperienced coaches.
• Mark Stoops’ buyout: $37 million paid out over four years, which is easier on the budget than a lump sum and “not as bad for Kentucky” as feared.

10. Matt’s Upcoming ESPN Radio Play-by-Play Debut (27:39–34:43)

• Matt is doing national radio play-by-play for the New Orleans Bowl (Western Kentucky vs. Southern Miss) and humorously describes his anxiety and lack of experience.
  • “When’s the best time to learn to do live play by play than national radio with a bowl game?” (28:18, Matt Jones)
• The team jokes about choosing a “spotter” and “stats” person. Billy Rutledge is Matt’s stats guy; the spotter search continues.
• Discussion about whether the broadcast should take on a KSR-like personality, with banter and crowd engagement.

11. Calls and Final Basketball Thoughts (35:05–48:20)

• Callers draw parallels to historic UK blowout losses and express concern.
• Matt and Drew analyze the upcoming opponent—North Carolina Central—and their star player Gage Lattimore, who Drew jokes UK should consider transferring in mid-game:
  • “He’s a bucket. We could use him.” (45:52, Drew Franklin)
• Ryan gives takeaways from open practice: players seemed to get along; Cam Williams and Trent Noah “did not miss a shot,” but will it translate?

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Team Chemistry:
  “Maybe something did happen, and maybe some of these guys just don’t like each other.” (12:29, Matt Jones)
• On the Money Argument:
  “If money was the motivation, I would almost think they’d be...selfish, but they’d at least be playing hard.” (15:53, Drew)
• Critiquing the Coaches’ Radio Strategy:
  “When you bring on Kevin Grevey after a 35-point loss, you are saying you don't want to talk about it, and that’s the worst way to do it with fans.” (18:02, Matt)
• Matt on ESPN Play-by-Play Nerves:
  “Let me just say, you know, play by play is a whole nother thing.” (28:49, Matt Jones)
  • “This may be less play by play, more color for most of the game.” (33:50, Matt Jones)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------------|-------------| | NC Central connections & game preview | 02:37–05:16 | | Team chemistry & what fans want to see | 05:16–06:40 | | Booing Kentucky players—fan perspectives | 06:40–08:41 | | Dissecting the team’s problems: event or chemistry? | 08:41–14:11 | | The money/NIL debate | 14:11–17:19 | | Leadership struggles (Garrison/Otaga) | 16:52–18:02 | | Critique of coach call-in shows | 17:40–18:32 | | “Who really knows what’s going on?” rumor mill | 21:32–24:01 | | Will Stein and Mark Stoops contract breakdown | 24:01–27:29 | | Matt's ESPN play-by-play debut anxieties | 27:39–34:43 | | Callers and NC Central scouting | 35:05–46:53 | | Ryan’s open practice scoop | 47:38–48:08 |

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Tone and Style Highlights

The hosts are both critical and self-deprecating, mixing humor with genuine concern for the state of Kentucky basketball. There is a strong rapport among the crew, an openness to fan input, and a willingness to turn rumors or worries into comic fodder (e.g., the “spotter tryouts” for Matt’s ESPN debut).

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Summary for New Listeners

This is a classic, conversational episode of Kentucky Sports Radio, balancing fan frustration and gallows humor with real concern for the team’s trajectory. The hosts alternate between diagnosing what ails UK basketball (from chemistry to leadership to culture shift with NIL money), analyzing rumors, and offering their signature blend of radio banter, nostalgia, and self-awareness. The episode also provides a behind-the-scenes look at sports radio and Matt’s leap to national play-by-play, providing both insight and laughs for longtime and new listeners alike.

Transcript

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[Shannon]

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome everyone. It is Kentucky Sports Radio Tuesday, December 9th. I am Matt Jones. You can give us a shout on the Clark's Puppet shop, phone line 859-280-2287. A Vision Auto Glass text machine is 7727-745254. In this edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office called TJ, he'll make them pay. Kentucky plays the powerhouse North Carolina Central tonight in Rupp arena in a game that after the debacle in Nashville, hopefully the cat should have little problem with. You can just give us shout 859-280-2287. Ryan, Drew and Shannon are with me. Ryan, North Carolina Central one time. I think I've told the story a couple times on here about when I spoke about the death penalty at North Carolina Central many, many years ago. Basically that's predominantly an all African American college. And I got up and spoke about it and proceeded to get peppered with questions for an hour and a half. And that's my one interaction with North Carolina Central. And it was a positive one. Hopefully tonight will be positive with basketball as well.

[Ryan]

I remember you telling that story. I had no idea it was North Carolina Central.

[Matt Jones]

North Carolina Central, yeah. We spoke, I spoke at like four colleges around North Carolina and there was somebody that would speak with me at all of them. And then he skipped the one at North Carolina Central and that was the one they invited their entire like freshman class to. So there were like 2,000 students in the room. And that was, it was, it was, it was good. But it was quite intimidating as you had to sit there and speak about a controversial issue. Ryan, in front of a mass crowd. I don't think Kentucky will have that many, much problem tonight.

[Ryan]

So they asked questions for that long. Were they like legit good questions or.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, so, I mean, it was. This is not how I thought we'd start the show, Drew. But it was. Yeah, I was talking about how I was against the death penalty and I was talking about my client's case. There were two people who were going to be executed, the first two in North Carolina in like 25 years. I was expressing, talking about their cases and then why I was against the death penalty. And then they just were asking questions, most of which, Drew, were like hypotheticals of the same thing. They'd be like, so this wasn't long after 9 11. They'd be like, if somebody did 9 11, should they get the death penalty? And it would just be increasing difficult, like increasingly worse things. And I'd have to go, well, I'm still against the death penalty then too. And they just asked me kind of the same thing over and over.

[Drew]

I didn't know you had this big connection to our big opponent tonight. I remember that story, but never placed. That was NC Central. It's on you.

[Matt Jones]

Carolina Central. So that's. I haven't thought about that school since then, but they'll come in tonight. And Ryan, I think the Cats, I mean, I don't know, is there. There's really nothing they can do tonight that's going to change anything going forward. Would you agree? I guess it's Saturday will be their. Their next chance to do that.

[Ryan]

Yeah. There's absolutely not one thing I think they can do tonight to improve the attitude of big blue nation.

[Matt Jones]

Nothing. What if they come out, like, don't miss a three drew. They hit like 25 in a row. Would that help?

[Drew]

Well, actually, I wrote a blog post of what they need to do tonight, and it actually doesn't even involve a basketball. I think fans just want to see them act like they like each other. Like go out there, have fun, celebrate your teammate, help them up off the floor if God forbid, they dive on the floor. But just show some togetherness. I think that will. Because they need to hit a reset. Like after last Friday, there needs to be a full reset. Maybe just have some fun tonight and we'll go from there with Indiana on Saturday.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon, what's the best way for them to act like they like each other? Like walk out hand in hand?

[Drew]

Yes.

[Shannon]

I want to see them, like hugging each other like, you know, conga line, the whole thing, man.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, you want to do a conga line? That would. This like, is this a nursing home where there's. Where they're coming from.

[Shannon]

Limbo.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Ryan]

Recreate the football picture. You hold hands and jump up and kick your legs up.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that didn't work for us. That would work for the football team either, though.

[Drew]

That's what we need, togetherness picture.

[Matt Jones]

We took a little grief for that picture. I think wondering about that picture was probably still. Still fair. So yesterday, it seemed to me the conversation around Kentucky, Kentucky World has been really two things. One, the question of is it acceptable to boo? Which we talked about a lot about yesterday. And it seems like most fans almost. Ryan, if you had told me 10 years ago that this fan base would be in a place where I would see even little old ladies saying, yes, you can boo. I would have been shocked. But it seems like most of the fans believe that's okay. We put a. We put a video up yesterday on social media. Mario did. Of our discussion and surprisingly little pushback from people about it. I think the new age of college sports, which I think has a lot of positives also though, has led to a viewpoint of fans With a professionalism of, okay, that's what it is. So now, like, the guy who called Shannon and Billy show, it's like, if I fire my gardener, although I didn't realize he would go around and boo his garden.

[Shannon]

I would, hey, you're scratching.

[Matt Jones]

I think, Ryan, that's just how it is now, is that that's part of the trade off of guys making money.

[Ryan]

It is. It's a different era now. You're not necessarily a college student athlete. You're professionally trained, professionally paid athlete now. And I think people take that. That attitude. I never thought I would ever see it, that Kentucky fans would boo their own team the way they did in Nashville the other night, But I think that's the age we live in.

[Matt Jones]

But you took the view of, like, you're becoming Mr.

Old School. You're like, we shouldn't boo, but you kind of got shouted down yesterday. Did you find a lot of people after the show that agreed with you on that?

[Shannon]

Very few.

[Ryan]

I mean, I got some very few.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. All right.

[Ryan]

And, like, like I said the other day, I understand why they were booing. I just wouldn't do it myself. I just think it's. It's a. That's a bad look.

[Matt Jones]

Now, during the next part of the conversation, then went to, what is the cause of the problem? And on this point, I don't think we're talking about the basketball cause, because I think there's a lot of basketball causes. But people then go to what's the cause of the. Of the team either not caring or not liking each other. And there are two things that come up the most. The first one is people want to point to some event. And I mean, if you've been around this fan base at all. Everyone has. I have. I think I've said I've been sent over a thousand times. All right, Matt, don't get. Put this on me, but my friend is related to. And they all tell some version of, if not the same story, some version of a story that I just have to tell you, from my perspective, I think is likely not the case. I think anytime a story gets that far out, it's likely not the case, but there is this desire to find an event that caused it. Do you think, Drew, that there is a. An event or a. Something that caused it, whether it be in the Louisville locker room or something before that? Or do you think it could just be. You know, sometimes people just don't get along, and sometimes people just don't like each other. What do you think is the more likely scenario.

[Drew]

I still struggle with this because if it was one event, and we've heard plenty of rumors that should only affect a few people, the whole team is playing bad. Like, not to just rag on everyone, but I feel like some of these rumors we've heard. Okay, why does that keep Brandy Garrison from jumping for a rebound? Or why does that keep Trent Noah from making a three?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, so that's why.

[Drew]

Sure, maybe something happened, but that still doesn't explain why the whole team looks bad to me. Because if it is a one off, you know, teammate versus teammate on something, that shouldn't affect everybody, and if it does, then Pope needs to do a better job of getting that out of the locker room and getting everybody on the same page. So I'm still perplexed of how the whole team is so bad. If it was one. One thing, you know, there.

[Matt Jones]

There's always been over the years, and sometimes in the Cal years, this was me, and sometimes it was Kyle Tucker, and then sometimes it would be like with Cal, it might be like Mike De Courcey or. Or whatever. There's always somebody who, when they say something, you kind of know, okay, this is the message that the staff wants to get out. Ryan. I don't think Pope has that guy. Meaning, like, there's nobody that talks that I say for sure. That came from Mark Pope. Probably the closest one is Matt Norlander and probably Jeff Goodman. Although even then, I don't think it comes from Pope. I think it comes from assistance. I don't really think Pope talks to anybody. So because of that, I keep waiting to see from Jeff Goodman or Matt Norland or the signal of what's really going on and nothing comes out right. Which makes me even more confused because it does seem like.

Maybe it's just that the coaches are perplexed and they have no idea why this is happening, which is right, in some ways even worse than if we had an explanation.

[Ryan]

I am still in the boat that something happened before that Louisville game. Because, you know, Pope is honest to a fault. I don't think he would have even said that if something. Something didn't happen.

[Matt Jones]

But what if it's tried to play that down? You don't think that that matters?

[Ryan]

No, I think something happened. I don't know. Like I said, I don't know what it was.

[Matt Jones]

I think something happened because it's like logical deduction. Or do you like. Is there a little Ryan Lemon scoopiness?

[Ryan]

No, no, no scoop. I'm basing it all on what I feel about Mark Pope. I don't think he would have said that if something didn't happen. So what if it's a combination of the. Of both? Maybe something did happen, and maybe something that some of these guys just don't like each other.

[Matt Jones]

It did look to me, though. Okay, so the little bit I was around the team, which included some of those preseason practices and media day and even some of the preseason events, Drew, I will say it looked to me like they got along then. So, I mean, you know.

I don't know. And maybe when adversity hit something, we will always wonder what happened in that locker room. And I think if you were going to point to a singular event, I think that would be when it made the most sense. But now, you know, I don't know.

[Drew]

If it surely was like a teammate on teammate thing. Figure it out. It's been a month. Call them in your office, throw the boxing gloves down and say, y' all work it out. We got bigger goals than whatever you all have going on. It has been a month since that locker room, and it's just getting worse. If something like that happened, it should linger a little while, get it out of their system, and then let's go win some basketball games. That's why you're here.

[Matt Jones]

That's why we've seen Ryan. We've seen Ryan lose it before, right? He gets that. And then he gets. He's sometimes fine later that day.

[Shannon]

Yeah, but then he holds a grudge against people, too, though.

[Matt Jones]

But he doesn't hold a grudge against us. He holds a grudge against, like, two people.

[Shannon]

Right? Well, maybe that's the two people where.

[Matt Jones]

You can't get over that, because that has to be what this team is like. They're holding a grudge they can't get over being disloyal.

[Ryan]

Lying to my face. That. That. That'll get you on my black list.

[Matt Jones]

But he really.

[Shannon]

He always brings Lifetime ban.

[Matt Jones]

It is. He is a lifetime band. All right, so then the second thing that people say is, okay, the problem is all these guys are making money, and so they don't care anymore. Willie Cauley Stein. Drew, of all people.

Of all people put out a post almost suggesting that this morning, saying, well, now all these guys got cars and stuff, and so they don't care as much. I find that funny, considering Willie Collinstein's time here. Would you agree with that, Drew, that that's at least amusing coming from him?

[Drew]

Yeah.

Trying to be careful here.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You got to Be careful.

[Drew]

I will say the cars have even improved since the Caliperia cars have improved the cars. Now it's even Maserati's. I think back then it was just like a BMW. Now it's Maseratis.

[Matt Jones]

But they weren't driving around Pintos back then. No, it's just the way they were still driving good cars. But that doesn't explain though, Drew, these other teams that are making money and doing well, like, if you want to say it's cause of the money, then you have to explain to me why these other teams do well. More specifically, if you want to say it's because the money. How do you explain when these dudes in the NBA, you know, throw their bodies on the line like, it cannot be that. It is just the money. Now some people don't react well to money, but some people were selfish when they were getting nothing. Like human nature can be selfish. So I personally do not blame the money because there are others. I mean, Michigan's getting paid more than anybody and they're playing great. I don't think it's the money, Drew. I think it's the people, not the money. Do you disagree?

[Drew]

I'm with you on that. Because there's schools that have had some high paying athletes who are doing exactly what they're paid to do. And also it like, if you got money and like, oh, if I play well, I get money that would play more to get more money. Like I look at away and people say always mine's on the NBA.

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[Drew]

I'm watching him lose money by the second every time he gets on the basketball court. Because if I'm. Yeah, if I'm watching him pout and give no effort, I'm not drafting him. So if, if money was the motivation, I would almost think they'd be. They'd be selfish, but they'd at least be playing hard.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean the. Look, Shane, I think there was a philosopher that said mo money, mo problem. Right. Like if you. But if you have it, you're going to keep trying. I just. Ryan, I don't believe the money thing at all. Because I'll give you. I use example of Michigan. Let's use Texas Tech. Okay. Texas Tech threw massive amounts of money in their football and basketball program. They have that booster who does all those stupid score act commercials and he's put all this money into Texas Tech and guess what? They're number four in the football playoff rankings and they're in the top 10 in basketball. Why he went out and Got dudes with money and they wouldn't play hard. So that clearly worked for him. It's not working here. And so I don't blame the money. I blame us, our guys, our coaches.

[Ryan]

Yeah. If the money has, is a factor, if whatever happened in before the little games a factor, it all comes down to that roster construction. Who you have on the floor and you're, you're, you're returning guys, your two big guys you're counting on Garrison and Ortega have, have done nothing really to help you much.

[Matt Jones]

You blame them the most, don't you?

[Ryan]

I do, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

There's, they're supposed to be your leaders, your stars, your starters. But then, you know, you heard Pope last night. He's coaching show. Oh, take it. Just had the best practice he's had in two years.

[Matt Jones]

I have to say, the, the relentless positivity is like, would be like listening Shannon to Ted Lasso after a seven game losing streak. Like, I love Ted Lasso but sometimes I need you to like not tell me things are positive.

[Shannon]

Not everything in life is beautiful. Sometimes there's some ugly in there. You have and we saw, we seen it. Yeah.

[Drew]

I booed the call in show last night.

[Matt Jones]

What'd you say?

[Drew]

I booed the call in show last night.

[Ryan]

Ed Kevin Grievy for 30 minutes.

[Drew]

30 minutes of Kevin Gravy time stories.

[Matt Jones]

I'm like, what's that doing? When they start doing that, when they start bringing on players and doing 30 minute interviews instead of taking calls, you've already given it away right there where we are. Yeah.

[Shannon]

Let's talk about the good old days when we actually won.

[Matt Jones]

Let's talk, let's, let's talk about. I like Kevin Gravy. But when you bring on Kevin Greevey right after a 35 point loss, you are saying that you don't want to talk about it and that's the worst way to do it with fans. I'm just telling you they've never learned this lesson. Going back to Tubby Smith when he would brought on Jeff Shepard right before he left. Like you can't do it like that. They still do it. They always make the same mistake and nobody ever learns. 859-280-2287. We'll take a break. Be right back. This is Kentucky Sports Rating.

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[Ryan]

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[Matt Jones]

U n D. Speaking of somebody who ended up with mo problems, Shannon after their mo money. The singer of this singer this song, Right?

[Shannon]

That's right. Yeah. That didn't work out too well.

[Matt Jones]

Have you, have we watched that documentary yet? I hear it's good.

[Drew]

I'm all the way through it. Already done. Went straight to it and binged it. Oh yeah, we used to have rap song disses. They've just diss each other with music. Now we have full blown documentaries dissing each other. I love it. 50 Cent.

[Matt Jones]

Who made this one?

[Drew]

50 Cent bought the footage from Diddy's people and then used it against him.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't know that 50 Cent bought the footage from. Oh, I didn't know that.

[Drew]

Diddy hired a company.

[Matt Jones]

I was following him and then he didn't pay.

[Drew]

Yeah, 50 Cent swooped in and did it. So it's kind of like a dis documentary.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Shannon]

This dark Netflix.

[Matt Jones]

Is it on Netflix?

[Drew]

Yeah, it's not a great look for Did. Not that any of this has been a great look for Diddy, but somehow it gets much worse for him with this documentary.

[Matt Jones]

Really? Well.

One person. So I've compiled, Ryan, just a partial list of the various people who people have texted the text machine and said they told them the story of what's actually going on. On. All right, so these are people. I'm not going to say what they said, Shannon, but these are people who people have said. Have told them what's really happening.

[Shannon]

I don't believe it. Don't believe any of it.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I agree with you, but let's. The question is, which of these people do you think has the best chance of knowing? Okay, this is just in the last 24 hours. Kenny Walker, do you think he would know?

[Ryan]

He would everywhere, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

All right. Jackson Robinson, do you think he would know?

[Ryan]

I'm gonna say no. Where is he even around? Is he right now?

[Matt Jones]

Is he Linda Gorton's top aide?

[Ryan]

Drew's a big Linda Gordon fan.

[Matt Jones]

You think Linda Gordon's top aid would know?

[Drew]

She's the top aid's the leader in the clubhouse so far of what you've sent.

[Matt Jones]

All right, Robert Stivers.

The state senator. And then finally, my favorite, this one just came this morning. Steve Bachman of Bachman Chevrolet.

[Ryan]

Not. Not a sponsor. Now, you said Paul Miller. Paul Miller for now.

We had to talk about it.

[Matt Jones]

These are just the people who have written the text machine to say they know what's going on with the players. I'm going to say of all those, Shane, I'm gonna say Steve Bachman of Bachman. You think so?

[Shannon]

Yeah. More so than Kenny Walker?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, when it says, well, Kenny's not like he's not at practice, I mean.

Well, we don't know.

[Shannon]

The guy's like, taking a break from selling cars to go watch the practice and get in the locker room.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, I didn't even have Linda Gordon's top aids name, so how am I supposed to believe that they know?

[Drew]

Maybe they operate in the shadows.

[Shannon]

Maybe the Bachman guys selling them cars or something. I don't know.

[Ryan]

Maybe.

[Shannon]

Maybe you're on to something here.

[Drew]

Jackson Robinson still around a lot. He has former team actually on the team.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I thought Jackson Robinson would have seemed like, you know, he would know. That's exactly right. Drew's right. Wouldn't Jackson Robinson know, Ryan, because he was on the team and not just.

[Drew]

The current players that are back. You know, they have 40 grad assistants and managers over there.

[Matt Jones]

He probably could still talk to where is Jackson Robinson? Is he in the G league somewhere?

[Ryan]

Not sure.

[Drew]

He was in the CAB system. I don't know if he's still part of it.

[Matt Jones]

Like I haven't heard about him in, in a long time. All right. We also got yesterday, Ryan, the contract for will stop.

[Ryan]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

$5.5 million for five years. Basically it's 5.5, then 5.6 and 5.7. So it ended up averaging about 5.7. Between 5.7 and 5.8 for his career. If he gets fired during that time, he gets 70% of the contract paid out in the time frame it would be paid. So we didn't make the mistake of doing the lump sum due within 60 days.

[Ryan]

Yeah, maybe we learned our lesson over that.

[Matt Jones]

This has kind of become the base pay Ryan for new coaches with no experience. I think a lot of these other guys, he'll be now one of the lower paid coaches in the sec. But it's kind of commiserate with his experience. Seems like to me a pretty good deal. The 70% is kind of standard now across college football.

So less than the total, but still a significant amount of money. What did you think of the Willston deal?

[Ryan]

Well, hearing you say that's kind of standard, I had no idea if that was a 70%, if that was the kind of the standard buyout at big schools.

[Matt Jones]

That's become kind of the standard of the big schools. If you don't have any leverage now, which you when you resign, they end up taking that out. But for new coaches, that's kind of become standard.

[Ryan]

So hearing all that, I absolutely have zero problem with it. You know, Kentucky got a basketball coach and a football coach at a much cheaper rate than they had the previous two guys. So saving some money, I guess all the way around.

[Matt Jones]

Drew.

[Drew]

Yeah, I immediately just went to the buyout situation, making sure we didn't get got again paid out monthly. That that's much better than 60 days. Stein actually owes a lot, as you said. If he, if he were to leave. So that was the thing I went to first. Also notice that the, the extension, you know, his incentives. He's got to make the playoff, not just make a bowl game, as you know, with Stoops six games or seven games. Stein's is get to the playoff bracket.

[Matt Jones]

He gets a big bonus. But it starts with the playoff. So it's not just about making a bowl. Now the second part of that is Mark Stoops. Mark Stoops, it turns out, extended his deal. So rather than have to pay it Immediately. They paid him $4 million immediately. Immediately. And they will pay him over the next four years $1.7 million every three months. Shannon, to not coach for the next.

[Shannon]

Four years, that's a great deal. But it's also nice of him to do what he did for Kentucky because he could have all that money. Think about the interest he could have made if he had all that money.

[Matt Jones]

Up front versus spreading $1.7 million every three months for the next four years. At totals the 37 million. But as Shannon points out, he didn't have to do that. He could have demanded it immediately and instead he spread it out like that. So they gave him $4 million a day. He did it. And then 1.7 every three months going forward. It's a lot of money. It's especially a lot of money not to coach. But at the same time, he didn't have to do that.

[Ryan]

Nope.

[Matt Jones]

And oddly, they will now end up paying him like that. 1.7. It will make it to where financially, it's not that bad for Kentucky and Stoops didn't have to do that. We'll take your calls right for this ksr.

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[Shannon]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

So, Shannon, guys, I need to just before we go the calls, one little nerve wracking thing. All right, during the break, I just got a text message from a guy at espn. Okay. And it says, Matt, do you want to meet this afternoon to talk about the New Orleans Bowl? So by the way, I am doing the ESPN radio broadcast ride for the New Orleans bowl, which is two weeks from today. Yep, two weeks from today. And apparently I'm doing the play by play, which is I've never done the play by play. So I mean, of course, Drew, perfect time to debut is on national radio, right?

[Drew]

Postseason.

[Matt Jones]

When's the best time to learn to do live play by play than national radio with a bowl game?

[Ryan]

Perfect time with somewhat of a local team playing the wall. Be listening.

[Matt Jones]

The west had my Sunday morning radio boss say to me the other day, Shannon, excited to listen to you do the New Orleans bow. Don't know how that's gonna go. That's exactly what he said.

[Shannon]

I mean, he does realize you have never done this before.

[Matt Jones]

So I would don't know how that's gonna go.

[Shannon]

The bar is probably pretty low. I don't think he's got expectations.

[Matt Jones]

But let me just say, you know, play by play is a Whole nother thing.

[Shannon]

Oh, it's. Yeah. It's not easy.

[Matt Jones]

And so the game gets announced. It's Western Kentucky and Southern Miss, I think ride pretty good draw for me. Right. Western Kentucky couldn't have been any better.

[Ryan]

For you really to get.

[Matt Jones]

Honestly. Couldn't have been any better. Southern Miss. As a side note, one of the guys in my fellowship is One of Southern Mrs. Biggest Boosters. Oh. So I feel like I can get some information on other Ms. And then Westerns. Western. So he writes me during the break and he goes, I'm so and so I'm your producer for ESPN for the New Orleans Bowl. Do you know who your stats and spotter are yet?

Know what that means? Drew, I've been wondering. I've been wondering why strangers have been writing me offering to be my spotter. Because I was like, Shannon, how do these people know who I am? Yeah, why do they keep writing me?

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

How do they even know I need a spot?

[Shannon]

They need binoculars. Get somebody with binoculars who can see the game.

[Matt Jones]

Turns out ESPN has a database where they say, hey, spotters, here's who where we need them for. So that's why people are writing me. I've been wondering. I'm going to.

[Drew]

Shouldn't they provide the spotter? You shouldn't. You're the talent spotter.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, okay. Apparently I get to pick because I get to pick one I'm comfortable with. Here's the problem. I don't know any of these people, so how am I going to be comfortable with any of them? How do I pick?

[Shannon]

This is a problem.

[Drew]

Who wants to be my spotter? Like a contest.

[Matt Jones]

So I've already decided. My stats guy. I'm going to pick. I'm going to pick Billy.

[Shannon]

Was he an option? I don't think Billy was on the list of espn.

[Matt Jones]

Well, he may not be on the list, but he's going to be on the list because he went to Western. Right. So he can handle that.

[Ryan]

Big deal. Yes.

[Matt Jones]

And I'm comfortable with Billy. Billy knows how to work with me now after the last couple years, but I don't think Billy can spot. So how do I pick, Drew, who to spot?

[Drew]

I mean, you're just going to have to get some one on one, some FaceTime with these people. Get to know them. Can we get about their families? This. You need to trust this person they're going to be in the foxhole with.

[Shannon]

Now, if you can get Billy, you can get Ryan as your spotter.

[Matt Jones]

But I need. I need at least one person in this operation. To know what the hell they're doing.

[Ryan]

I would definitely get sidetracked while watching something else than the game, but Ryan.

[Shannon]

Has done, like, high school football games and stuff.

[Matt Jones]

Ryan was the. Ryan is literally the worst choice for the exact reason you just said he would.

[Drew]

Spotter has to see a number on a jersey immediately. Know who that is. You got to know.

[Matt Jones]

Formation has to be like, yes, exactly. They're in a. You know, for 81 wide. Like, you got to do all that and, you know, I don't know what any of that stuff means, Shannon.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So that person. I'm gonna be relying heavily.

[Shannon]

Here's the great thing about doing radio. If you get it wrong, nobody can call, you can't see it.

[Matt Jones]

So nobody's gonna know.

[Shannon]

You're gonna be fine.

[Matt Jones]

But the producers are gonna know.

[Shannon]

Well, they don't have to tell anybody.

[Matt Jones]

But this is like. This is two weeks from today.

[Shannon]

Are you practicing? What are you doing to get ready?

[Matt Jones]

I've practiced a little bit, but, you know, I've. I've had some stuff come up, so I've been a little distracted. Now I'm. My plan is to watch. I asked. I asked an ESPN person. I'm gonna talk to Tom Hart this week. They said, what are you laughing?

[Shannon]

That might be a good start. Talk to somebody who does this for a living. Tom Hart, Tom Lee.

[Matt Jones]

They said to me. Tom has written me about it, too. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna rely on the Toms. They said to me to watch, like, the last three or four games of these teams. So I'm gonna watch Western and Southern Miss all what I've always wanted to do.

[Ryan]

Sure.

[Matt Jones]

Watch Western and Southern Miss football. Western, you know, almost beat LSU a couple weeks ago.

[Shannon]

There's a good place.

[Ryan]

Western's got a good team.

[Matt Jones]

That's the kind of fact I can say on the radio. Yeah. Western almost beat LSU a couple weeks ago.

[Shannon]

Now you got three more hours to fill.

[Matt Jones]

Now, what time Kentucky plays that day? Kentucky plays Bellarmine. I believe. I've looked at the time, Ryan. I believe the post game show will be ending right as this broadcast comes on the air.

[Ryan]

Perfect.

[Matt Jones]

See it? Perfect. That's correct. What time is the Bellarmine game?

[Drew]

That's at 11 o' clock.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. So that means postgame show starts about. For the New Orleans Bowl. Starts at five.

[Ryan]

Oh, perfect. Perfect. We can just. We can guide everybody to turn over right into it.

[Shannon]

Yeah, well, you don't need to be doing the post game show. You're not doing that.

[Matt Jones]

I'M not doing. Somebody else can be doing that.

[Shannon]

I got to preparing. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew]

This is the 25th anniversary of the New Orleans Bowl. Isn't any New Orleans bowl.

[Matt Jones]

This is 25 years New Orleans Bowl.

[Ryan]

And you've been to Southern Miss.

[Drew]

Yeah, you can talk about.

[Matt Jones]

Talk about how Nick Roush got drunk and we had to try to get him home at the end of the night in Hattiesburg.

[Shannon]

No, that's what the color commentator does. You're the play by play guy. You got to stick to play by play. You can't have personality. You got to be play by play.

[Drew]

I think we're going to have a lot of color commentary from this broadcast.

[Shannon]

I think so.

[Ryan]

No play.

[Shannon]

Very little play by play. This is because telling stories. But guys, there's a game going on. What's happening in the game?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. This may be less play by play, more color for most of the game, so.

[Shannon]

Well, good luck.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Stats spotter. You wait two weeks. I'm gonna need your all support, though. I need you building me up. All right. I already had my. My boss look at me and go, well, this will be interesting. I need you all building me up, not bringing me.

[Shannon]

Tom Leach has this big board that he puts together with all these stats and everything. You need something like that in front of you?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, there's somebody that can do that.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Your spotter, Billy.

[Ryan]

You know, Corey Price does stats for the UK people. He.

[Matt Jones]

I got my stats guy. I got. Billy, I need a spotter and I need to figure out these people that write me. I don't know how to pick which one.

[Shannon]

Apparently you're supposed to get.

[Matt Jones]

Supposed to get something. You shut up. It's going to be good.

[Shannon]

No, it's going to be great.

[Matt Jones]

It's just. It may be a less traditional broadcast than what they're used to in the New Orleans boat, but at least people entertained. How many people are listening to the New Orleans bowl on ESPN radio? It can't be a top now. It's gonna be more now. I think that's why they put me put us on, because they think we can bring an audience and then we'll hopefully not bomb it completely. Who's the first?

[Shannon]

Harold.

[Matt Jones]

Harold. Go ahead, Harold.

[Caller]

Yes, I was. My call is concerned about yesterday. Kentucky several years ago got beat at Kansas 50 points.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, they did.

[Caller]

Yes. So that was the worst loss. I was just asking you. I don't know who the coach was.

[Matt Jones]

It was Patino. It was. It was. It was Patino's first year. I think they went down There wasn't. Am I right about that, Ryan? Wasn't it Patino's first year? They went down there, just got obliterated.

[Ryan]

And he kept pressing. He wasn't going to change his style. He kept doing the same thing. And they just kept getting their brains beat in that day.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Caller]

Yeah. Okay, well.

Thinking about your dad. Hope he gets better.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Appreciate the call. Yeah, I believe that was, that was the scenario.

[Ryan]

So, yeah, they kept pressing, kept shooting threes. They didn't change their style of play at all.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I wish I had the same. I mean, that was his first year, this is the second year, so it is a little bit different. What's next, Dan? Dan. Go ahead, Dan.

Hey, guys.

[Caller]

I think on the basketball front, it's a little bit of a search for an emotional holy grail that's not going to be found. So I wanted to use a different analogy. I think you, you four, Billy and Mario make a really good team. And I think that in the summer your all content's probably the best. Now imagine for two months when the games get started, three of you are out and I heart radio executives are crapping their pants because they're trying to get the same level of quality that they would have had if three of you are in. And so they're finding some other people to fill it. And they're expecting the same quality, the same pacing, the same content. And I just don't think that's a realistic thing. That doesn't mean that those people aren't talented. That doesn't mean that those people don't care. That doesn't mean that those people aren't doing it for the money. It just means that they aren't up to the talent of what the OG team would be. That's not the same way.

[Matt Jones]

But. But here's what I would say about that. That's not a terrible analogy, and I think you're. I think that's correct. However.

At the center point of that is, you know, you would have your main returner, right? Like your centerpiece of the whole thing, it's built around, which in this case might be me and in the basketball case is Otaga. It's one thing if Ortega is not there, but Otaga is there, right? And while it's never going to be as good without the full complementary of things, if Otaga is there, and let's say Ryan is Brandon Garrison because he's been around for a long time and we're back, we should be able to not produce a Clunker every single big show because at least the two returning stall horts are there. Yeah, we might not have Drew and Shannon and Mario and we're going to get them, but we at least got those two. That was the whole centerpiece of what we brought back. And if that doesn't work, then I do think you have to go. Wait a minute, what's going on?

[Caller]

I think that's fair. But I mean what if you had to set up all the electronic stuff that Billy does and some of these.

[Matt Jones]

At some point.

[Caller]

Well, at some point there'd be like a sacrificial nature to it. Right. And like it would be really frustrating and you wouldn't be. Your strengths wouldn't be at your highest. So I think to expect Ortega, you know, to. To every game give 115 and think that he's just going to be smooth. I think it's a little bit short sighted.

[Matt Jones]

Fair enough. I appreciate the call. And that might not be nice. Drew to call Ryan. Brandon Garrison. He's bet he's. He's been better than.

[Drew]

I see it a little bit in their strengths.

[Ryan]

We're similar in our size.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, that's probably not complete.

[Ryan]

Do you. Did you hear any of the scuttlebutt from the open practice they had yesterday from the well let's say United people?

[Matt Jones]

Do you have some scuttlebutt?

[Ryan]

Yes.

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[Matt Jones]

U n D welcome back Techie Sports Radio. All right, Drew, people are suggesting that we have the spotter tryouts on air. What do you think about that?

[Drew]

I said you should have a who wants to be my spotter Contest, but.

[Matt Jones]

I need somebody with experience.

[Drew]

Well, that's what I mean. They gotta, they gotta make their case. They gotta come on, maybe give their background what they're looking for when they're spotting what kind of binoculars they use, all that stuff.

[Ryan]

The longtime spotter UK is a big fan of this show. Listens all the time. Text me like almost every day during the show.

[Matt Jones]

Has he texted you about this?

[Ryan]

Not yet.

[Matt Jones]

Well, it feels like this would have been a good time to text. Like if I was a longtime listener of this show. Like literally, if I listen this show all the time and I was a spotter for UK and I texted Ryan every day during the show. Feels like Shannon, this would have been the day to text.

[Shannon]

Yeah, if you ever wanted to do it right now.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe he just doesn't want to do it.

[Shannon]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Jones]

He's like, I don't want to go down with that ship.

[Shannon]

Don't want to tie my good name to this train wreck of a show.

[Matt Jones]

I'm making this good no matter what. Even if it just has to be me and Myron taking calls during the game.

[Shannon]

I don't think it works that way.

[Matt Jones]

Why not?

[Shannon]

You just take it.

[Ryan]

You're the one.

[Matt Jones]

We completely revolutionized the way they call football.

[Shannon]

Yeah. We just completely act like the game's not even going on. We completely ignore the game.

[Matt Jones]

I mean honestly.

[Shannon]

We'll give you a score update every now and then.

[Drew]

I can hear it now in the second half. Matt turns to to Mama Myron and says, so who are the famous athletes from New Orleans? And all the usual things we do on the show. And we're in new cities.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Hattiesburg. Yeah.

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[Shannon]

It's gonna be Myron.

[Matt Jones]

That's true. That is. I'm gonna go. You know Montana Grill and Bowling Green. I really like it to eat there sometimes. Corvette museum. Right. Should I bring up that Bowling Green has more people per capitas on Ozempic?

[Shannon]

That is important.

[Matt Jones]

I feel like that should be on there, don't you?

[Shannon]

We need to know the cities. We need to know the cities that are playing.

[Matt Jones]

Got to know the places.

[Drew]

Fruit of the Looms in Bowling Green. You could talk about these.

[Matt Jones]

Bring in special guests from all these. Hillbilly Jim's from Bowling Green, right? Yeah, bring him up.

[Shannon]

The country boy. Country boy. Country boy.

[Matt Jones]

It's gonna be a great game.

[Shannon]

You can just bust in the song if all else.

[Matt Jones]

New Orleans bowl has never seen anything like this. Who's next?

[Shannon]

Pete.

[Matt Jones]

Pete. Go ahead, Pete.

[Caller]

Hey guys. Got a little story about North Carolina Central. I'm originally from Owensboro. Winter go play soccer at a tiny college in Front Royal, Virginia and ended up playing basketball there as well. Tiny school, like 500 undergrad. My junior year we play at North Carolina Central and we lose 116 to 38 and well, you're going to be.

[Matt Jones]

On the schedule next year. Your team's going to play. Mark Pope's going to play you guys next year to make sure that we win.

[Caller]

I. I had two threes that game at in Durham. So if they, if the Cats need me tonight, I can. I can come by and probably toss up a few.

[Matt Jones]

Well, appreciate the call. The. Do we know anything? Drew, you're pretty good about knowing these teams. What do we know about North Carolina Central tonight?

[Drew]

What do I not know about North Carolina Central, Matt? Okay, I actually got a little bit scared. I saw they beat Carolina about 100 by 40 points, 109 to something. But I realize it's not North Carolina. There's a school just called Carolina. Did you know that they don't even have a page on espn There's a.

[Matt Jones]

School just called Carolina. Not even which state?

[Drew]

No, they. They NC Central.

[Matt Jones]

Where is that?

[Drew]

I think it's. I'll have to look that up.

[Ryan]

Carolina.

[Matt Jones]

You.

[Drew]

You can't even click on their. On their page on espn.com.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. I didn't. I mean I lived there. I didn't know there was a school just called Carolina.

[Drew]

Beat him by 45. Our common opponent is Winston Salem.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think through Winston Salem a thousand times. I didn't know that but go ahead.

[Drew]

Really threw me off too. They played UNC and lost by 44. That's our common opponent. They do have a star player. Gage Lattimore I believe is his name. Shooting like 45% from three and getting 20 points a game. I actually wonder. Well I was wondering if he could just maybe come over to our team.

[Shannon]

I don't know.

[Drew]

There's not really rules anymore.

[Matt Jones]

But he's a bucket. He's feels like Gage Lattimore. We could use him.

[Drew]

Yeah, they go as he goes. He's first time at this level. He was at another school that doesn't even have an ESPN page last year from like D3 so he's the name to watch. But they're not good. Rank 350th out of 365 teams on KINPOM. We are a 45 point favorite scheduled.

[Matt Jones]

I mean we have scheduled the lowest of the low this year. We would be interesting to see. Ryan, what would happen if we played like Minnesota? Right. I mean because all the teams we've played have been top 20 or awful.

[Ryan]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Like we've not played because. So it's hard for me to know how are we going to do in the SEC against teams like Mississippi State? Because everybody we've played is either really good or awful. And so you know this is going to be like we're and we're. That's all we're playing until not until conference play. So I know when we play Alabama we're going to struggle but how are we going to do against like Ole Miss or how are we going to do against Vandy? That's the thing, we don't know yet.

[Ryan]

You're exactly right. Our sample size we have to go on is not good. We the teams are supposed to beat, you're beating them bad. The teams you're that are competitive, you're getting drilled.

[Matt Jones]

So the teams that we're getting drilled by are really good teams.

[Ryan]

Michigan State ends up being fantastic and we thought that might be the easiest of the six games.

[Drew]

Remember and three of our five wins. They're ranked 320th or worse.

Like that's hard to get a read on anything Saturday.

They're on a little bit of a skid though. They've had two bad losses and they're starting to panic.

[Matt Jones]

They got me by Louisville Saturday too.

[Ryan]

Yeah, they did.

[Matt Jones]

It will not be good if we don't. Now you've got doctor's appointment here, right? So you're leaving, correct?

[Ryan]

Correct. We thought.

[Drew]

What was your scoop?

[Ryan]

Yeah, they had Big Blue United in for an open practice yesterday. I'll give you the quick three. Three hits. One, you never could tell they don't like each other. They seem like they 100% liked each other and got along well. Two, Cam Williams and Trent Noah did not miss a shot the entire practice.

[Matt Jones]

That doesn't help.

[Ryan]

Did not miss. And three, Jaden Quaint's practice a lot against Reese Potter. Going one on one with him and he looks like a man child.

[Matt Jones]

I mean those are all good things, but I don't know, is that encouraging? I wish they would make them in.

[Shannon]

The game, saving all their misses for tonight.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe so. Pregame show starts at 4:30 4:30 in. Ryan will be back for that. We will come back our number two. This is Kentucky Sports Radio.

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