2025-12-17- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

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Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) – Hour 2

Date: December 17, 2025
Hosts: Matt Jones & Shannon
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and WKRD-AM

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Episode Overview

This episode of Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) with Matt Jones and Shannon takes listeners on a nostalgic stroll through 1996's top box office movies while also diving into the ongoing impact of JMI’s name, image, and likeness (NIL) policies at UK. Interwoven are candid listener call-ins touching on everything from Army-Navy football, old TV gigs, and the competitive spirit among the KSR crew. The hour combines pop culture throwbacks, insightful sports-business analysis, and on-brand Kentucky banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nostalgia: Top Box Office Movies from 1996 (03:39–12:07)

• Matt reflects on graduating high school thirty years ago, leading into a rundown of 1996’s top 30 movies.
• Matt quizzes Shannon on which of these movies he’s actually seen.
• Notable reactions and playful debates about what films hold up, who starred in each, and why some "duds" beat out modern classics like Toy Story.
• Memorable commentary on actors, sequels, and trivia from Matt’s days at Movie Warehouse.

Notable Quotes:

• "Beavis and Butthead Do America is number 30. Classic. I can’t believe that's been 30 years ago." —Matt (04:45)
• "I worked at Movie Warehouse...I had to tell them where to go..." —Matt (11:44)

2. Big Covers & Music Tangents (03:01–03:39)

• Brief debate on the greatest cover songs of all time.
• Matt’s love for the bluegrass version of "Gin and Juice."
• Mutual agreement that Darius Rucker’s "Wagon Wheel" is a huge cover, even if Matt dislikes it.

3. Listener Calls: Sports, Recruitment & NIL/JMI Discussion

a. NIL/JMI and Its Impact on Recruiting (12:19–15:33, 15:33–16:18, 24:09–26:48, 46:07–49:45)

• Several callers ask for Matt’s perspective on how JMI’s policies affect high school recruiting and the transfer portal.
• Matt explains that restrictive NIL arrangements (e.g., exclusivity with JMI’s sponsors) mostly harm recruitment of top high school athletes, who want autonomy and big endorsement opportunities.
• Transfer portal athletes may feel some effects, but are less impacted compared to elite recruits.
• Ongoing discussion about the uniqueness of NIL deals like Crocs and the limited kids who can attract those.
• Multiple callers ask about the origins and future of JMI involvement, why Calipari left, and whether new athletic leadership could change things.

Notable Quotes:

• "I think it really only applies to a handful of players. But the problem is it’s the players that we want the most." —Matt (25:00)
• "If they win, none of this matters...It's only a deal if they don't win and people go, why aren't we winning?" —Matt (46:35)

b. Army-Navy Game Scheduling (13:59–15:18)

• A caller shares his experience at the Army-Navy game, worried that expanding college football playoffs will intrude on its traditional spotlight.
• Matt supports Army-Navy having its own dedicated slot, maybe not an entire day, but at least exclusive national attention.

Notable Quote:

• "I like that Army-Navy gets its own slot. I don't know if it needs its own day...but it certainly should have its own slot." —Matt (15:10)

c. Personal Questions & Anecdotes (26:48–28:04)

• Mary calls in with a personal question about Matt’s rare alcohol consumption.
• Matt shares candid reflections on family history and his desire for personal control as key reasons.

Notable Quote:

• "My biological father was an alcoholic...I know I was kind of genetically predisposed, so I just didn’t want to go down that path." —Matt (27:20)

4. KSR Crew Banter & Competitions

• Extensive fun hypothesizing about which KSR team members would win a foot race (37:52–46:03).
• Shannon claims he’s the best at pickleball and could defeat Matt at ping pong; Matt stands by his own skills.
• Ongoing inside jokes about Drew’s health and questionable athletic prowess.
• Brainstorming a decathlon of events for the KSR crew (“I’m better at ping pong than all of you, so I would definitely add ping pong.” —Matt, 36:35).

5. Matt’s TV/RADIO Past: “The Freak Show” Story (20:53–23:09)

• Matt shares his random, awkward stint as late-night host on Louisville’s “Freak Show” after the original host was let go.
• Tales of interviewing unusual guests (e.g., Monster Energy Girls, Miss Kentucky), dealing with live callers, and feeling out of place.

Notable Quotes:

• "I'm an attorney at Frost Brown, Todd, and I am the host of the Freak Show." —Matt (22:07)
• "It was awful. It's the worst show that's ever been on television. And every night I would have to do it..." —Matt (22:51)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• (04:45) Matt: “Beavis and Butthead Do America is number 30. Classic. I can’t believe that's been 30 years ago.”
• (06:44) Matt: “12 Monkeys...that was like Brad Pitt’s follow-up to Seven...”
• (11:22) Matt: “Well, I don't know if anybody else has enjoyed it, Shannon, but you and I are. And I don't care.”
• (13:33) Shannon: “These guys that are the top elite athletes are going to have so many opportunities out there. And if there's Kentucky and JMI that says, well, we're restricting you to only this. Why would you go there?”
• (15:10) Matt: “I like that Army-Navy gets its own slot. I don't know if it needs its own day...but it certainly should have its own slot.”
• (20:53) Matt: “There’s a picture that someone, like a screenshot, and it’s got a phone number on it. And I’ve got, I think a jacket and I’ve got a mop haircut.”
• (25:00) Matt: “I think it really only applies to a handful of players. But the problem is it’s the players that we want the most.”
• (27:20) Matt: “My biological father was an alcoholic...I know I was kind of genetically predisposed, so I just didn’t want to go down that path.”
• (36:35) Matt: “I’m better at ping pong than all of you, so I would definitely add ping pong. I could crush all of you in ping pong.”
• (46:35) Matt: “If they win, none of this matters...It's only a deal if they don't win and people go, why aren't we winning?”

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Important Timestamps

• 03:39 – 12:07: 1996 Movie Rewind and Matt’s Movie Warehouse stories.
• 12:19 – 15:33: First caller Q&A on NIL/JMI effects on recruiting.
• 15:33 – 16:18: Justin’s dropped call, banter about call-ins.
• 24:09 – 26:48: Extended discussion: did JMI affect Calipari and UK’s coaching search?
• 37:52 – 46:03: Hypothetical KSR Crew Decathlon, footrace analysis, competitive banter.
• 46:07 – 49:45: Callers ask about Senate Bill 3 and legal context of JMI; Matt promises a deeper dive in the future.

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Tone & Language

Matt and Shannon maintain their characteristic easy humor, conversational analysis, and Kentucky-centric references, with a strong sense of camaraderie and willingness to poke fun at themselves and each other. Callers are integrated naturally, conversations are candid and accessible, and the hosts oscillate seamlessly between nostalgia, sports analysis, and self-deprecating jokes.

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Summary

This KSR hour fulfills its promise of “news and views” by mixing insightful NIL recruiting discussion (anchored in the hot-button JMI deal) and the ever-present quirks of Kentucky pop culture nostalgia (nostalgic movie lists, “Freak Show” TV tales, and office decathlons). The episode shines when Matt and Shannon toggle between deep sports commentary and pure entertainment—making it both informative and relentlessly fun for Kentucky sports fans and general listeners alike.

Transcript

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[Shannon]

Welcome to hour two of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones welcome back.

[Matt Jones]

Hour number 2859-280-2287. Text machine is 772-77-45254. We are back at the bar tomorrow. Hopefully we'll have Ryan and Drew. If Drew can move tomorrow, we'll see. The watch party is at 9 o' clock tomorrow. And then for volleyball and then my trivia is tonight at 7 o'. Clock. People are giving other big time covers.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

With a little help from my friends. Joe Cock.

[Shannon]

That's a good one. Yep, it's a good one.

[Matt Jones]

Johnny Cash Hurt. I mean, that's a good one. But it's not one of the biggest of all time.

[Shannon]

No, no.

[Matt Jones]

Gin and Juice by the Gourds is maybe my favorite.

[Shannon]

That's your favorite one?

[Matt Jones]

Favorite bluegrass version.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Not to play that one.

[Matt Jones]

There's so much drumming. Lbc. It's kind of hard being Snoop. You gotta play that when we come back.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Wagon Wheel.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, that's a big. You know what, that's a big one. Even though I hate it.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You're talking about the Darius Rucker one.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Because the other one's so much better. But you're right, that. That's a big one. All right. I wanted to do something before we go back. The phone's a little non sports, if you don't mind.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon. 30. What year did you graduate high school?

[Shannon]

2001.

[Matt Jones]

I graduated high school in 1996. The 30 year anniversary of me graduating high school is this year. Oh, my God. Coming up.

[Shannon]

How old do you feel?

[Matt Jones]

I mean, think about that. 30 years ago. That's crazy to me to think it's been that long.

[Shannon]

Yeah. I remember like, you know, parents having 30 years. I'm going, you're so old. 30 years.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. I remember the moment my mom turned 40 and I was like, you're going.

[Shannon]

To drop dead any minute.

[Matt Jones]

Not going to be with us any much longer.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Here we are. Life comes.

[Matt Jones]

Here we are. Life does come at you fast. So I went and pulled up the top 30 box office movies the year I graduated from high school. Okay.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Let's go through these and see what have you. Have you seen these or not? Are you ready?

[Shannon]

Let's go.

[Matt Jones]

Beavis and Butthead do America is number 30.

[Shannon]

Classic. I can't believe that's been 30 years ago.

[Matt Jones]

30 years ago for Beavis and Butthead do America, that was number 30. Number 29. Toy Story.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Toy Story is huge. But when it came out, Shannon only 29th at the box office, I would have thought that would have been top five, wouldn't you?

[Shannon]

Yeah, it's huge. Huge.

[Matt Jones]

Now 28th, grumpier old men.

[Shannon]

I don't think I saw the Part two.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't see the sequel.

[Shannon]

No, I saw Grumpy, but not Grumpy.

[Matt Jones]

How about Grumpier Old Men Making More Money than Toy Story?

[Shannon]

That's kind of cool.

[Matt Jones]

27Th Jumanji.

[Shannon]

Yeah, of course I saw that one.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. That was the first one had Robin Williams, I think. Is that right? Second one had the rock. 26 tin cup.

[Shannon]

Didn't see that one.

[Matt Jones]

The Kevin Costner golf movie.

[Shannon]

Didn't see it.

[Matt Jones]

When you hit a bunch of balls in the water in a row, they say it's like Tin Cup. Ryan Lemon does that a lot.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

25Th jingle all the Way.

[Shannon]

I think I saw that on, like, AMC a couple of days ago.

[Matt Jones]

It's Tim Allen, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Am I correct about that? I think it is 24th primal fear.

[Shannon]

Hold on. Jingle all the Way is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, it's Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. Okay.

[Shannon]

What was the next one?

[Matt Jones]

Primal Fear.

[Shannon]

Didn't see that one, I believe.

[Matt Jones]

Is that. Look. Is that like Warren Gear? See if that's. Is that Richard Gere? Now I'm thinking Warren Beatty. Is that Richard Gere is Primal Fear. I was working at the Movie Warehouse during this time, so I feel like I have.

[Shannon]

If it is, he's not in, like, the top.

[Matt Jones]

Who's in the top? Who are the stars?

[Shannon]

Let me make sure I get the right. Yeah, it is. You're right. Never mind. There's another one called Primal Fear. That was a TV movie. That's the one I was on. So you're right. It is Richard gere.

[Matt Jones]

Richard Gere. 23rd executive decision. I have no idea what that.

[Shannon]

Never even heard of that.

[Matt Jones]

Never heard.

[Shannon]

And how does that Higher than Toy Story and all these other.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. 22nd, 12 monkeys. I loved 12 monkeys when I worked at Movie Warehouse. That was like Brad Pitt's follow up to seven, I think.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

21St, Jack. Jack, that's Robin Williams. I don't think you could make that movie now.

[Shannon]

I don't know if I saw that one.

[Matt Jones]

Isn't it like. Is it Robin Williams playing, like, a mentally handicapped person? Maybe look up Jack. Movie Jack. I think I'm right about that. 20th is courage under Fire. Meg Ryan. I believe that has a young Matt Damon. Okay, so.

[Shannon]

Yep. Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Was I right about Jack?

[Shannon]

Yeah, I'm looking at that right now.

[Matt Jones]

You couldn't make that movie?

[Shannon]

No.

[Matt Jones]

19Th Cable guy. Jim Carroll.

[Shannon]

Classic, classic. Great one.

[Matt Jones]

18Th Jerry Maguire.

[Shannon]

Another classic.

[Matt Jones]

Show me the money.

[Shannon]

That's right.

[Matt Jones]

17Th broken arrow. I believe that's got John Travolta. And it's about, like a rogue nuclear warhead. Am I right about that?

[Shannon]

Word for word. Terrorists steal nuclear warheads from the US Military.

[Matt Jones]

Look at that.

[Shannon]

But don't count on the pilot and Parker.

[Matt Jones]

This is when I worked at Movie Warehouse. I remember these. 16th. Mr. Holland's opus. That was Richard Dreyfus and he, like, taught at a high school. Music, I think.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Fifteenth Space Jam.

[Shannon]

That's. Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. The Monstars Classics. Fourteenth Star Trek. First Contact.

[Shannon]

Did not see that one.

[Matt Jones]

I never watched those geeks. 13th. The Hunchback of Notre Dame. I don't remember this.

[Shannon]

Saw that one.

[Matt Jones]

Is that Jim Carrey?

[Shannon]

Demi Moore.

[Matt Jones]

Demi Moore was the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[Shannon]

She's the top. Like no actress.

[Matt Jones]

She's not the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[Shannon]

No, she's.

[Matt Jones]

I have no memory of that movie.

[Shannon]

Esmeralda. She's not The Hunchback, though.

[Matt Jones]

12Th phenomenon.

[Shannon]

Never seen it.

[Matt Jones]

Don't remember that. 11th eraser.

[Shannon]

I haven't seen that one. Phenomenon is another John Travolta movie.

[Matt Jones]

You know what he. I remember Travolta was hot during this period.

[Shannon]

Erasers. Arnold schwarzenegger again.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. 10th. First Wives Club.

[Shannon]

Haven't seen.

[Matt Jones]

I remember that. That was all the women. Like, here we go. Diane Keaton in First Wives Club.

[Shannon]

Yep. Goldie Hahn.

[Matt Jones]

Gosh, I love this. 9th. 101 Dalmatians.

[Shannon]

Yeah, of course.

[Matt Jones]

Think Glenn Close was in that.

[Shannon]

You know, like all the. The actors and act. You know, all the top bill cast.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. 8th a time to kill. Matthew McConaughey. Ashley Judd.

[Shannon]

Sandra Bullock.

[Matt Jones]

Sandra Bullock. Maybe Samuel L. Jackson.

[Shannon]

Yep, I think so.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Shannon]

Yep, Yep, you're right.

[Matt Jones]

7Th the bird. Cage. That was that. Robin Williams and Nathan Lane. I don't remember what it was about, but they were on Broadway or something. Is that right?

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Sixth Ransom. Ransom. I don't remember that one.

[Shannon]

Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson And Lieutenant Dan. Gary. Gary Sinise.

[Matt Jones]

Gary Sinise is in that. Okay, number five. So these are the top five movies in 96.

[Caller]

All right.

[Matt Jones]

The Nutty Professor. Yeah. Eddie Murphy played all the parts. Right.

[Shannon]

Huge.

[Matt Jones]

That movie was huge. What was it? Hercules. Hercules. Hercules.

[Shannon]

I love how happy this makes you. Movies 30 years ago.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I don't know if anybody else has enjoyed it, Shannon, but you and I are. And I don't care.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

This is fourth.

[Matt Jones]

Fourth. The Rock. Nicholas Cage and Sean Connery and, like, they're escaping from Alcatraz. Is that right?

[Shannon]

That's right. Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Number three was the first Mission Impossible.

[Shannon]

That was the first one.

[Matt Jones]

That was the first one with Tom Cruise. Number 22. Number two, twister.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I remember, since Drew is out with a locked up back, the first time in my life, my back ever locked up was watching Twister at the London Kentucky cinema. True story. We're playing in a tennis tournament. I won. I played. Later in the day, I went to watch Twister. The change in temperature from the heat outside to the cold in there.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I locked my back up, and I had to lay on the floor of the movie theater. I was in so much pain.

[Shannon]

It was a big hit to the tennis team.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. And then finally, number one movie, which made $100 million. Shannon. More than Twister at number two, Independence Day.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Will Smith. So there's your little walk down memory lane.

[Shannon]

I'm just impressed that, you know, like, all the top build actors and actresses for, like, every movie in the top 30 from 30 years ago.

[Matt Jones]

But I worked at Movie warehouse.

[Shannon]

Well, there you go.

[Matt Jones]

And when they would come in, you.

[Shannon]

Had to, like, tell them where to go.

[Matt Jones]

I had to, like, put them on the shelf, and so that. That's the only reason I know them. There's some duds in there, by the way.

[Shannon]

Yeah, like.

[Matt Jones]

Like there's some really bad movies in there.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Some of them I've never heard of, never seen, and probably never will see.

[Matt Jones]

My prime year would be 95, because those movies would have come out on video in 96.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So that would be my prime year. All right. It was your Little Detour, your 1996 movies. Detour. I know some of y' all liked it. Don't act like you didn't, Blake. Go ahead, Blake.

[Caller]

My question was. So I think we've seen JMIs affecting the high school recruiting, which is bad, but for Pope, I don't think it's, like, worst case scenario because he's shown he likes to use the transfer portal more. So my question was, do you see the JM ideal affecting the portal gets? Because then I think that's where you have to start to really.

[Matt Jones]

You know, I don't know. I think it might affect a couple of them, but I don't know about the rank and file. I appreciate the call. I, I, I, I could see it having an effect on a couple of the guys, but I think what I've been told about the portal is that some of the issue there is not understanding the market and overpaying and underpaying for Guys, but we'll see. I mean, we'll see. I think it's probably more of an issue for the high school guys, though. I mean, the Christian calling kids. Shannon, he signed a nil deal with Croc. Crocs. Well, that's not a JMI deal. Right. That's his own deal. And the amount of kids that can do that on their own are not many. Right, right. I mean, I'm not sure that, you know, Denzel Aberdeen has a connection at Crocs, but the top high school players in America can. And that's where your problem is.

[Shannon]

That's the thing. I mean, these guys that are the top elite athletes are going to have so many opportunities out there. And if there's Kentucky and jmi that says, well, we're restricting you to only this. Why would you go there?

[Matt Jones]

And as the caller Tom, said, how much money does Central bank have?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You know what I mean? Like, there's only so much, you know, there's only so much. Like, I don't know how many times you can go to that. Well, I mean, maybe you can. I don't know, but. Cole. Go ahead, Cole.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt has Shannon. Just a quick question. I drove to Baltimore this past weekend for my first ever Army Navy game. My son is at the Naval Academy. It was an amazing experience. And I really think that no matter your politics, it's one of those things you have to check out. But my question is with the Army Navy game has historically. Yeah, it was. The Army Navy game is historically the only game on. On a certain weekend in December. And there's a push to sort of add some of the playoff games to that day as well, I want to know your thoughts. And if it should be one of those things that should remain separate from.

[Matt Jones]

The rest of the football world, if you expand the playoffs, it's going to have to be that weekend. So if I'm Army Navy, I probably try to say, hey, college football, can we have our own night or our own day? Because if they expand the playoffs to 24, which I don't know if they're planning on do that, but if they do it, week one has to be the week of the Army Navy. So I like that. Army Navy gets its own slot. Shannon. I don't know if it needs its own day, like the whole day, but I certainly think it should have its own slot.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And so as long as they keep that, I'd be okay with.

[Shannon]

I like that. Yeah, you block off. Even if it's a noon game, you know, noon to 2. You block that off. And that is the national game. Game that everybody gets to see.

[Matt Jones]

And it gets great ratings. I saw. I mean, they got like 9 million people that watched it. No, I think it deserves its own slot. I don't know if it deserves its own day, but its own slot I'm good with. Justin. Go ahead, Justin.

[Caller]

Good morning, guys. Hey. A couple of questions about the. The JMI stuff and I want to make it quick and hopefully I'm not going too fast. You can't answer them all. My first question is, and please don't cut me off because I'm going to mention.

[Matt Jones]

You got to go quick because I'm about to go to break. I need you. Just. Just go. Go for it. Are you there, Justin? Justin?

[Shannon]

He just hung up.

[Matt Jones]

What happened?

[Shannon]

You told him to go, but did.

[Matt Jones]

He drop his phone?

[Shannon]

I think he got nervous and hung up.

[Matt Jones]

But I wanted it to. I wanted. But he only.

[Shannon]

Had you scolded him before the call.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't scold him. I just wanted him to go quick. He said don't cut him.

[Shannon]

Well, you know, like when you tell people to go quick, they only go slower.

[Matt Jones]

Why is that?

[Shannon]

Because they weren't thinking about it and now they are. So now they're trying to go fast, but they're actually going slower.

[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

He was like fumbling with his phone.

[Commercial Announcer]

I hope he's all right.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

That'S right. This is me now, the whole things. Yeah, don't let me. Don't let me think about that. Although I think he sings this at age 30, right? Yeah.

[Shannon]

Well, you need one for your next 50.

[Matt Jones]

I'm my next 50 years. 859-280-2287. One person writes. Matt, didn't you do a TV show on a random Louisville cable TV station late at night? Yes. Did you know this, Shannon?

[Shannon]

No. Like every week.

[Matt Jones]

Every night?

[Shannon]

Every night? No.

[Matt Jones]

Monday through Friday, the Freak show with Johnny the Freak. Now, the amount of people that have seen this is a small amount. It was on it. No, it was on the station that OVW is on.

[Shannon]

WBNA.

[Matt Jones]

WBNA. So this is like 17 years ago, Johnny the Freak Renshaw was a radio host in Louisville. He was like, he did like, I can't even do it to his voice, but you know, he'd always sound like, yeah. And he was wild. And something happened where he got in trouble and he got let go. But there were still two months left on the contract and I was desperate to be on TV or on the radio, so I agreed to do it. And it was 11 o' clock every night and I would drive to this station and the show was still called the Freak show.

[Shannon]

And then there you are.

[Matt Jones]

But I had to host the Freak Show.

[Shannon]

You were the freak.

[Matt Jones]

Somewhere on the Internet there's a picture of me hosting the freak show. If you ever see a picture with like a phone number at the bottom of it. And I got a bowl cut haircut and I'd look like I don't fit in with the set. That's me hosting the Freak show. And the Freak show Shannon took live calls on the air.

[Shannon]

Oh, that's dangerous.

[Matt Jones]

Oh yeah. At 11 o' clock at night with everyone drunk, right? And they didn't know who I was. Like his audience was, wow. And here I come in going, hello, everyone. I'm an attorney at Frost Brown, Todd, and I am the host of the Freak show. And they would book gas, Shannon. They would book like the Monster Energy girls. Oh, these women would come in and I'd have to interview them. What are you going to interview them about? I'll tell you who I was on that show one night. I co hosted with KAJ Ramsey.

[Shannon]

Oh, my God. What was Cash.

[Matt Jones]

You know who my co host was one night?

[Shannon]

Who?

[Matt Jones]

Maria Montgomery, the reigning Miss Kentucky at the time.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Well, at least she's a fan.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, she was one of the easier ones. Yeah, it was awful. It's the worst show that's ever been on television. And every night I would have to do it and I was like, what are we going to do? It streamed live on the Internet. Back before people did that.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Remember we used to talk about CAS Ramsey's YouTube videos on, like, how to Kick a Football.

[Matt Jones]

Those were so great.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Matt Jones]

Some of them are online, some of them are. You can't. Unless people grew up with the Kazakh, you can't understand. No, you can't understand how great it was. All right, a couple of the things on these movies real quick, before I go back to Phones Jingle all the Way. You mentioned Stard. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Can I tell you who else was in it?

[Shannon]

Who?

[Matt Jones]

Sinbad, of course. Phil Hartman, Jim Belushi and the Big Show.

[Shannon]

Maybe I need to go back and watch that and give it a second chance.

[Matt Jones]

The Big show was in it.

[Shannon]

The big show in 96.

[Matt Jones]

Was he Jack? Yeah, he was in it. Yeah. Jack was about Robin Williams as a kid who aged too quickly. I got it confused with Simple Jack.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Which. I don't. Was that a parody movie?

[Shannon]

Maybe. I've. No, I don't know that one.

[Matt Jones]

I don't remember that one. Toy Story being that low is weird. That's kind of weird. All right, so you got Justin on, right? Yeah. You got him back?

[Shannon]

He's back.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. So Justin, I don't know what happened, but now go ahead with your question.

[Caller]

All right, I am going to make it quick. Don't cut me off because I'm going to mention Cal. But it does pertain to jmi. I'm curious if part of the reason Cal left had anything to do with the JMI deal. If it had to do with maybe Barnhart being behind on the times on how we do things. Another question is that one, let's do.

[Matt Jones]

It as you say them. Let's do it as you say them. No, on the JMI part, because that deal was not in place yet. So. No, that wouldn't have had anything to do with it. I do. Do I think that Mitch and Cal didn't get along and that that was part of it? Sure. But it wasn't the only part of it. I think There were a lot of reasons Cal left, but I'm sure, you know, he and Mitch's relationship was not great. But I don't. I certainly wouldn't say it was the only reason.

[Caller]

Okay, so my next question is, when we were searching for a head coach, did that affect. And maybe that. Maybe that deal was not in place, but it's going to.

[Matt Jones]

JMI deal would not have been in place. The JMI deal would not have been in place. So, no, it wouldn't have aff the coaching search, you know, and then they got the coach this time they wanted, So I don't think. All right, so I have two different things. There's a JMI part of it within terms of media relations and all that. And we've talked a lot about that over the years. What I'm talking about now is this little part having to do with recruiting. And like I said, I think it really only applies to a handful of players. But the problem is it's the players that we want the most. But that's my read on it, and I haven't gotten a lot of answers. Maybe one day we'll get answers, and it's not what we think, but go ahead.

[Caller]

Okay. One more question. I'll be done. I'll promise I won't drop my wireless headset. I drive a truck, so it fell off my head. It crashed out. It was terrible. Anyway, if. If we get a new ad, if we hire somebody that's more with the times, younger does it right to ship, does that make it better? Do we get rid of this deal? Do we renegotiate this deal? Do we figure out something to get.

[Matt Jones]

Us back where we do? I mean, it depends on what they do. I. I appreciate the call. I' I think it would be nice for Mitch to make a transition to a new person, but it also depends. The new person could be great. The new person could be worse. I mean, that's the risk you have when you change. Might be better, might be worse. You know, same thing with Will Stein. Might be better than Mark Stoops. Might be worse. Mark Pope. Might be better than Cal. Might be worse. That's what happens with any change. Kind of just depends on what they do. Mary, go ahead. Mary.

[Caller]

Is that me?

[Matt Jones]

It is you. Mary, go ahead.

[Caller]

Oh, God. Didn't know you know my name.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I didn't.

[Caller]

This was before. Yeah, but how did you know it was Mary?

[Matt Jones]

Because it's on the screen here. It says Mary.

[Caller]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Caller]

You said that this was an ask anything day.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Caller]

Can that be a personal question?

[Matt Jones]

Depends on what it is, but sure, you can ask.

[Caller]

Okay. Many times you have said that you don't drink alcohol.

[Matt Jones]

Correct.

[Caller]

Just wondering why.

[Matt Jones]

I drink very rarely. I had various. I mean, I wrote about this in my book. My biological father was an alcoholic. And I. So I know. And there are other people in my family lineage who have been. And so I know I was kind of like genetically predisposed to it, so I just didn't want to kind of go down that path. And it's also, I don't like not being in control. And so that combination has made me. It's never really been something I was interested in.

[Caller]

Good. I noticed that you advertise or talk about liquor sometimes.

[Matt Jones]

Well, only in very small context. I've turned a lot more of that down than done it. Thank you, Mary. Be right back.

[Caller]

Thank you.

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[Shannon]

He'll make him pay. Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

The freaks did come out at night on the Johnny the Freak Show.

[Shannon]

Little Houdini dude.

[Matt Jones]

I, I, that, that those. When I think about those days, I remember one time we had the Monster Energy Girls on, and I had a buddy in D.C. who would watch it every night and, like, just send me comments. And he was like, how do the Monster Energy Girls have no energy? Because they would just be like, yes, no. And I'd be like, where's your energy? It's the inner, like, no energy.

[Shannon]

Is there no video?

[Matt Jones]

Did you find that picture of me?

[Shannon]

No, no, no.

[Matt Jones]

I'm surprised Corey Price hasn't found.

[Shannon]

I need video.

[Matt Jones]

There is a picture online of me. I've never seen video.

[Shannon]

They've had to have archived this.

[Matt Jones]

I've never seen video from it. There is a picture that someone like a screenshot, and it's got like a phone number on it.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And I've got, I think a jacket and I've got a mop haircut.

[Shannon]

I need to see this.

[Matt Jones]

It was so terrible. By the way, Toy Story came out at the end of 95.

[Shannon]

That makes.

[Matt Jones]

The reason it was so low is because it was carrying into 96.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Makes sense. So somebody asked, what about the year Shannon graduated? By the way, one thing you'll, you'll realize is before Marvel movies, there used to be a lot of creative movies out there.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Like those. Almost none of those were like superheroes or any of that.

[Shannon]

I mean, like, do you go a lot of movies still? I know you had that one Next.

[Matt Jones]

To you, But I don't go as much as I used to. All right, let me read you. I'm not going to go all 30 from your graduating class, but I'll do 15. Okay? Okay, number 15. Lara Croft. Tomb Raider. Angelina Jolie.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I never saw it.

[Matt Jones]

14. Fast and Furious. First one. First of 2013th. American Pie 2.

[Shannon]

Oh, love that one. I had that one on DVD. I did. I had about 20 DVDs, and that was one of them.

[Matt Jones]

You did you have the first one or just the second?

[Shannon]

I just like the second one.

[Matt Jones]

You just like the second one? Not interested in the first? No.

[Shannon]

Part two was actually better.

[Matt Jones]

Interesting. Okay, number 12. Hannibal. The secret to Silence. Sequel to Silence of the Lamb.

[Shannon]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Matt Jones]

Eleven. A Beautiful Mind. That's a great movie. Russell Crowe.

[Shannon]

Yep, I think I've seen that one.

[Matt Jones]

10. Planet of the Apes.

[Shannon]

Now, how is that one?

[Matt Jones]

That's the first Planet of the Apes. You know, there have been a ton. That was the first one. Number nine, Jurassic park three. I don't remember the third one. Do you remember the third?

[Shannon]

No, again, that's another one that they've got like 10 sequels to.

[Matt Jones]

Eight. Ocean's Eleven. I remember when Ocean's Eleven came out, I thought, those are the coolest dudes. What was it like? George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Don Cheadle.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Bernie was. Was Bernie Mac in it?

[Shannon]

I think he might have been, yes.

[Matt Jones]

I think Bernie Mac was.

[Shannon]

I've got the list right here. He was.

[Matt Jones]

Who else was in it?

[Shannon]

Let's see. Clooney, Bernie Mac, Brad Pitt. No other names. I wrote Casey Affleck.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, Casey Affleck. Seventh. Pearl Harbor.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

I think that had. The guy that my then girlfriend had a crush on. Was his name like Josh?

[Shannon]

Josh Harnett?

[Matt Jones]

Harnett, that's right. Josh Harnett. Number six, the Mummy Returns. Five. Donald Trump would approve Rush Hour 2.

[Shannon]

Ah, that's right.

[Matt Jones]

How about Rush Hour? To be in the fifth biggest movie in America.

[Commercial Announcer]

They were huge.

[Shannon]

I think we forget.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't realize how huge they were. Fourth, Monsters, Inc. Third, Shrek. And this is where things started to turn. Shannon is about now. Second, Lord of the Rings. Fellowship of the Ring. First, Harry Potter and the Source. See, that's. This is about the time that we decided everything had to be superhero fantasy. Yeah, was about 2000.

[Shannon]

I've never seen those. Never will.

[Matt Jones]

Chris. Go ahead, Chris.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, two things. One, on the COVID songs. How about Elvis Presley? Hound Dog.

[Matt Jones]

That's a cover.

[Shannon]

Who did that one?

[Caller]

Originally, I think Big Mama Thornton was her name. You've probably heard it. If you hear the clip, you probably.

[Matt Jones]

I love her name. Just. I don't know anything about Big Mama Thornton.

[Caller]

She sounds just like Big Mama Thornton.

[Matt Jones]

All right, good. What else you got?

[Caller]

Hey, on your bowl game, I hope. I can't wait to listen to it. I hope you get to take calls because I want to hear your reaction. Producer tells you your first callers in the line. It's Bob and Jamestown.

[Matt Jones]

If it's Bob and Jamestown, we're ending that right there. Appreciate the call. Bob and Jamestown is not allowed to call the Western Kentucky Southern Miss game.

[Shannon]

He's not, I don't think. Are you serious about taking calls during a play by play game?

[Matt Jones]

Yes. That.

[Shannon]

It's creative works, though.

[Matt Jones]

But see, that's how change is made. Do you think that they said back when we had rotary phones, that's not a cell phone. That's not how phones work.

[Shannon]

Yeah, but this is like going from a cell phone back to a rotary phone if you're taking calls during a game. That's what the pre.

[Matt Jones]

No, it's revolutionary.

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It's not.

[Shannon]

It's not. Although if Myron doesn't come up with a better catchphrase, it might be better.

[Matt Jones]

And coming out there and going, pickle me Tinder after, like, come on.

[Shannon]

Like peanut butter and jelly.

[Matt Jones]

It stuck to him like corn. Like, come on, man. Yeah, Mike. Need him.

[Shannon]

Tell him to calm down on the catchphrases.

[Matt Jones]

Mike. Go ahead, Mike.

[Caller]

Hey, man, I got a quick question about your interrupted podcast.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, it's really.

[Caller]

Enjoy listening to it. Have you ever considered asking John Fetterman to be on? Because I think he would be a really good interview.

[Matt Jones]

I'd love to have him on. He's there. You know, you may remember back when he was lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania, he invited us to the State House. Do you remember that back then? Yes, I do. I had seen him on something on TV and I was like, I really like this guy and he wears hoodies and all that. And then since he's been a senator, I've reached out to him a few times and haven't heard anything back. So I, you know, I have not reached out to him about the podcast, but I've reached out to him about other things and that's a good idea. I'll try again. I mean, I, you know. Yeah, I'd love to have him on.

[Caller]

Okay, thanks. The Terry miners interview was really good.

[Matt Jones]

Appreciate it, sir. Thank you very much. Let's go to Stephanie Go ahead, Stephanie.

[Caller]

Hey. First time, long time.

[Matt Jones]

Who are. What's up?

[Caller]

Have you heard of. Are you aware of the toy drive with Modiabate today?

[Matt Jones]

They know that was Darius's? No. What is it?

[Caller]

Well, I was. I was probably looking for Dariuses. I was trying to recall who you had on, and I came across this, and it says that he's having a toy drive today in a little store in Chevy Chase.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I. What. So what is the store? I. I don't know about it.

[Caller]

It's like a collections. I. For. I forgot what it's called. It's like Kentucky Collections or something.

[Shannon]

Kentucky Road show. Like Jimmy's Kentucky Road Show.

[Caller]

Yep. That's what it is.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yep.

[Shannon]

So there you go.

[Caller]

I was like, is that for. Is it for real?

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Shannon]

Yes, it is. Yeah. Because he talked about it on the Leech report.

[Matt Jones]

So there you go. Kentucky Roadshow.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, good luck. Appreciate it, Sean. Go ahead, Sean.

[Caller]

Hey, this. This may be a question for a day. When. When. When Drew and Ryan here. But you guys can speak for them. So I worked in an office at one time. We all were former college athletes and very competitive, and we came up with our own decathlon. You each got to pick two random things that you thought you were good at and compete against everybody else. If you guys could put together a decathlon of events, what would those events.

[Matt Jones]

Be and who would win? I need to hear the. So let's just say appreciate the call. What would be two sports or two events? Shannon, you think you'd be better at than the rest of the people? I'm better at ping pong than all of you, so I would definitely add ping pong. I could crush all of you in ping pong.

[Shannon]

I'm trying to think of something I could even do.

[Matt Jones]

I feel like you're good at something, aren't you?

[Shannon]

I would say drinking beer, but Drew could out chug me, you name beating Drew at that.

[Matt Jones]

I've watched Drew take down men much stronger than you at that.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Maybe something baseball related. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Ryan's gonna be pretty good at that stuff, you know, to win for the group. Yeah, I. I feel confident. I. I feel confident that I would beat all of you in any sort of trivia or any sort of, like, you know, I don't say any sort of intellectual thing, but I could probably.

[Shannon]

Beat all of you in a foot race. I know I could be Drew right now. He can. Can't even walk. So that'd be between me and Ryan.

[Matt Jones]

I think you could Be you can't beat Mario.

[Shannon]

Well, for throwing Mario and I thought we're talking about the foot race.

[Matt Jones]

Mario. Now we're too. We'll throw Mario and Billy in. You ain't beating Mario to foot race. So what? What?

[Shannon]

I guess I'm useless then.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think you can win anything. I guess you could win, like a musical challenge. There you go.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Of some sort.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Maybe wrestling.

[Matt Jones]

If you're talking about like. Like games kind of thing. Yeah. I don't know. I think Drew's really good at the thing. Where's the thing you slide the foos. The stuff on the. What do you call that? You know, I'm talking about like, it's like shuffleboard. Shuffleboard. But like at bars. What do you call that thing?

[Shannon]

I think it's still called shuffleboard.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. He's really good at that. We've played that over the years. He's really good at that. Yeah. Ping pong. I got you, Jeff. Who's next? Jeff.

[Caller]

Hey, good morning. How you guys doing?

[Matt Jones]

Good morning.

[Caller]

Hey, I have a question, and a few years ago, I actually got to talk to Wesley Woodyard, and he said when he. When he finished pro football, he'd like to come back to Kentucky and help coach. Has anyone ever contacted him? And I thought with Will Stein coming in, putting, putting together a new staff and I know it's pretty full.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think Wesley could be good. You have to remember about former players. One thing you have to remember is this. Everybody's inclination is to go get former players. And I've always had the view, don't get former players, not because they can't do it, but because we tend to elevate former players in our minds because of what they did on the field. Now, do I think Wesley Woodyard could be a good coach? Sure. But there are probably a lot of other people that could as well. And for every Wesley Woodyard there somebody else. There's like 20 other guys that are like him that would also have a job. So I tend to say let the coaches pick, and if it ends up being a former player, that's awesome. But, you know, he's picked four former U of L players, and I think as long as they win, I'm good with it. So I think, like, you should. You should certainly hear those folks out. But there are a lot of former UK players that would love to be a coach here. You can't make them all a coach. So I think you just have to let the Coaches do what what they think is right.

[Caller]

Thanks.

[Matt Jones]

Appreciate the call.

[Shannon]

Got mine, by the way.

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Shannon]

And I'll beat you in ping pong in Tampa at the house.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't believe that.

[Shannon]

Pickleball. I'm the best pickleball player out of the four.

[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

I'm gonna guess Drew.

[Matt Jones]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna say Billy.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Shannon]

But he's skinny, though. I mean, he's probably.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but that's different than speed. I think I would beat Drew, but I think Drew would be Billy. I don't know what Ryan can do anymore.

[Shannon]

You think Drew would be Billy in a race? No way.

[Matt Jones]

I do. Yeah.

[Shannon]

No, we got to set this up.

[Matt Jones]

Because there's no way you think Billy would beat Drew.

[Shannon]

Absolutely. I put 100 bucks on it.

[Matt Jones]

All right, I'm going with Drew now. He needs to be healthy. Like, not Drew today.

[Shannon]

Drew any day. I love Drew, but he's not beating Billy in a race.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. I don't know is right. Can Ryan run now? I mean, there was a time he would have beaten us all. Can he still do it?

[Shannon]

Ryan, you just said was in a car wreck. He probably Mario.

[Matt Jones]

Mario's first. I think after that, it's way open in the air. We'll take a break. Be right back.

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[Matt Jones]

We were talking during the break. I really, Shannon, have no idea who would come second through six with our group.

[Shannon]

Really. It depends on if you're on Adavan that day or not. Or Ambien. Whatever, whatever it was. You're on.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean there are people who write me saying I'd come last. I don't think I would. It wouldn't shock me if I did, but I don't think I would. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm more athletic. People like, like it's the like the dancing thing. Like, everybody's like, oh, you can't dance. Mario did that video of everybody dancing. Was I not better than the rest of them? I was like, people don't. But I wouldn't shock me if I came in.

[Shannon]

I hear you talking yourself into. During the break. You finish in second or sixth or six. Mostly second, though.

[Matt Jones]

There was a time Ryan would have been second. I'm not sure if that's still true, though.

[Shannon]

Yeah, 1986.

[Matt Jones]

Now, remember when he ran at the Legend Stadium? He was faster than we thought. Yeah, but that was a while ago. That was probably a decade ago.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. What do you think the order would be?

[Shannon]

Mario first, me or Billy? Well, I'll put me second, Billy third, Ryan fourth, you fifth, Drew sixth.

[Matt Jones]

I would go most likely. Shannon second, me third. Well, then that puts Billy ahead of Drew.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Billy's probably ahead of Drew. There's only one way to settle this.

[Shannon]

Thing, and that's just to go out there and do it on a football field somewhere.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, it would be. That would. I think we could like charge admission to the five of us running. Just we all see that. Mario would come in first.

[Shannon]

Here's the other part of this. How far are we running?

[Matt Jones]

Because if you're talking about 100 meters a lap, I'm not winning.

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[Matt Jones]

A lap I'm not with.

[Shannon]

We're all dead.

[Matt Jones]

A lap. We're all dead.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

That's 100 meter sprint. Didn't we do a hundred meter sprint once and Ryan was faster than we thought? That was out when we were in the mountains. I think that was during COVID I.

[Shannon]

Don'T think I was a part of.

[Matt Jones]

That, but I think we did. So Ryan might be a sneaky second, but I do think Ryan's put on weight over the years.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And he doesn't exercise. Yeah, but there was a time we did something at a stadium and he ran a lot faster than I thought he could remember. He was the stolen base king.

[Shannon]

That's right. Yeah. Many, many, many, many years ago.

[Matt Jones]

Many years ago. Patricia. Go ahead, Patricia.

[Caller]

Hey, I was just wondering with this JM ideal how it will affect the fans going to the games and also how it will affect keeping the former players on this roster around next year.

[Matt Jones]

What do you mean by the fans going to the games? What do you mean?

[Caller]

Like, if we don't get players, will it affect the fan base going to the games or.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, if we don't win. I mean, if we don't win. I think that would be the case. I mean, ultimately, I said this to somebody yesterday who I was talking to about it. If they win, none of this matters. Right. Like, if they win, then no one will care what the deal is. The. It's only a deal if they don't win and people go, why aren't we winning? And then people want to know what happened. But, Patricia, if we're winning, then I don't think anybody cares what the deal is, to be honest. Does that make sense?

[Caller]

Yeah. Yeah. And also I've seen something where Jacob put on there that they're reading. Negotiating the former players contracts. Try to keep them next year.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Yeah. And that'll probably. That'll be happening forever. So I appreciate the call. I think. I think if Mark Pope wants to keep the guys currently on the roster, he'll be able to do it. Assuming they've had a positive experience, which I have no reason to think they have. It will go ahead. Will. Well, they haven't played well, but whether or not they're happy here, that's only. They know that will go ahead.

[Caller]

Yeah. Matt, I think you're a perfect resource for my question or point that I want to make about this JMI issue, specifically regarding the signing of the waiver, the request that Mitch and University is asking. There's three factors I think that we need to look at. One of them, I think, is a law in Kentucky back in April or May, they passed Senate Bill 3 and then watching. Well, it talks about limiting the athletes to.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, yeah.

[Caller]

Keep them from going out.

[Matt Jones]

That's in the article. Yes. No, that, that, that. I think. I think that's an issue. You're right. That's in the article. I need to study more how those two things work together because I don't know.

[Caller]

Please, please do that for us. Because I think Mitch and the University, while they're not really transparent, I think the factor with them is it's on the books in, in Frankfurt and it mentions.

[Matt Jones]

Well, they did, though. They were the one that got that law written, though.

[Caller]

Exactly.

[Matt Jones]

That's so.

[Caller]

I mean, that's what I've assumed.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Real quick.

[Caller]

Okay. It's in Washington, D.C. they're trying to pass a law and the SCORE act didn't pass, and now they're talking about the SAFE Act. So I wish you could help us and dig into Senate Bill 3, Senate Bill 3, and then look at the score and the SAFE Act.

[Matt Jones]

And how will do that? I mean, that's going to be a long conversation. I appreciate the call. I will do that on an interrupted podcast probably after Christmas. But I still, to be fair, want to have a conversation with UK and JMI to get their perspective because I think we owe them that before we just completely. And I just haven't been able to do that yet. I mean I've asked but they, we they haven't had that conversation with me, so. But all those are good questions. I think they're completely fair. We will be at the bar tomorrow. Come join me for trivia tonight. We'll see you later. This has been Kentucky Sports Radio.

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