2026-01-06- KSR - Hour 1

Summary

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KSR - Hour 1 Podcast Summary

Podcast: Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR)
Date: January 6, 2026
Host: Matt Jones
Co-hosts: Ryan, Shannon

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Episode Theme

This episode dives into the latest developments surrounding Kentucky athletics, focusing primarily on the surprise transfer of Notre Dame quarterback Kenny Minchey to UK football, the strategy behind Kentucky's transfer portal pursuits and NIL budget, and reactions to the recent Mark Pope basketball coaches’ show. The hosts blend sports analysis with trademark humor and frankness, also responding to fan feedback and a bit of lighthearted ribbing of Louisville and Nebraska.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Live from Louisville – Changing Studio Dynamics

• Rare episode where all hosts were together in Louisville, prompting Matt Jones to reflect on his shifting social circles and the local sports scene.
• Jokes about Perrin Johnson’s evolving career, now with iHeart, leading to good-natured banter.
  • [03:34] Matt Jones: “Dude, He's had every job. He's... been a chemistry teacher. He's... sold COVID test at one point. And now he's selling ads here at iHeart.”

2. Kentucky’s New Quarterback: Kenny Minchey

The Transfer Portal Shock

• Kentucky lands Kenny Minchey, previously at Notre Dame and briefly committed to Nebraska, as their new quarterback, causing outrage among Huskers fans.
  • [06:12] Matt Jones: “Kenny Minchey from Notre Dame is going to be the new quarterback at Kentucky… He entered the portal 48 hours ago, 24 hours ago, committed to Nebraska, and then last night flipped to us, making Nebraska fans livid.”
• Sam Leavitt, initially the top QB choice, opted for other opportunities after UK refused to wait any longer for a decision.

Player Profile & Potential

• Minchey: Portal’s 10th-ranked QB, with two years of eligibility, second-best among non-current starters.
• Staff viewed a clear talent drop-off after top 10 transfer QBs, making quick action on Minchey a strategic move.

Coaching Trust and Fan Reaction

• Will Stein, new UK OC ("quarterback whisperer"), cited for successfully developing previous QBs now in the NFL.
  • [09:21] Matt Jones: “Will Stein… last three quarterbacks have played in the NFL. He clearly knows what it takes to put a dude in the NFL. If he thinks this is the guy, then who am I to say he's not?”
• Discussion on whether fans view the move optimistically ("Will Levis scenario") or pessimistically ("Brock Vandagriff scenario").
  • [10:42] Matt Jones: "Your reaction online last night was basically determining that if you're an optimist, you go, ‘Will Stein's… last three in the NFL. Let's go, trust him.’ If you're a pessimist, you go, ‘That's what they told us about Brock Vandagriff too. And he wasn't no good.’"

3. Kentucky’s Transfer Portal/NIL Philosophy

Budgeting for 'Studs'

• UK staff prioritizing their NIL/transfer pool for 6–7 high-impact, "stud" players instead of distributing funds evenly.
  • [14:12] Matt Jones: “We are going to spend our money on those guys and...if they're bleeding us for money, we'll say sorry. There's 10 guys that are… close, and we'll use them because we think our money is best invested on having a handful of studs.”
• Emphasis on building around those top-tier investments rather than overpaying for mid-tier talent.
• Examples listed (Minchey, Baylor center, targeted WRs and O-linemen).

Comparison with Previous Years

• Stoops’ previous approach—giving “good money to 20 guys”—is being replaced by focusing on “elite money to seven, good money to another 25, and let the rest go.”
• Fans and hosts agree on need for this change.

4. Nebraska Rivalry & Social Media Banter

• Much laughter about Nebraska’s angry reaction to losing Minchey and a lighthearted rivalry stretching back to Wandale Robinson’s recruiting saga and volleyball matches.
  • [25:59] Matt Jones (on Will Compton's tweet): “His show's called ‘Bussin’ with the Boys,’ and I retweeted and said coping with the boys, which is beautiful. Which I have to say, I was proud of it.”

5. Mark Pope’s Coaches’ Show—Odd Communication Styles

Surreal Press Conference

• Team laments that Pope, UK’s new basketball coach, delivered confusing, abstract answers recently—likened to motivational speaking or “new-age hippie religion stuff.”
• Memorable quote, as recited by Matt, possibly sourced from author Brené Brown:
  • [33:27] Matt Jones: "'What's really important for us as coaches and as teammates is understanding the story that each of our guys and each member of our staff is telling themselves about what we're going through right now…' What does that even mean?... The question was, why didn’t we play?"

Fan Disconnect

• Hosts worry about how this language lands with players and fans; suggest Pope needs a PR/communication overhaul.
  • [34:43] Ryan: “Should have been, why can’t we give up? Why do we give up so many open three pointers? That’s what I want to know.”
  • [39:27] Matt Jones: "He needs someone to help him not talk like that. Don’t you agree?"

Listener Calls

• Multiple listeners call in to voice similar confusion and dissatisfaction, some likening Pope to Bill Walton or Tony Robbins (“rambling,” “spiritual,” not results-focused).
  • [47:59] Caller: “He's not even the same dude...it's like he's been taken over by the ghost of Bill Walton.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kentucky’s QB decision:

  • “We just can’t wait that long… if there’s a big drop off and you’re not going to tell us, we just have to go ahead and take this guy.” – Matt Jones [08:49]

• On Will Stein:

  • “If he thinks this is the guy, then who am I to say he's not?” – Matt Jones [09:21]

• On fan mentality:

  • “If we don’t know this kid, wouldn’t it be better to spend these next six months getting excited about him?” – Matt Jones [24:08]

• On Nebraska fans & Will Compton:

  • “I retweeted and said coping with the boys, which is beautiful.” – Matt Jones [25:59]

• On Mark Pope’s communication style:

  • “He is literally just saying gobbledygook… it’s 15 seconds of words that I don’t even know what to—what does that mean?” – Matt Jones [33:20]
  • “We wanted our coach to be upset when we lose. We want to know how you’re going to fix it. Not talk about… Tony Robbins quotes the whole night.” – Ryan [49:21]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:38 – Show starts, all hosts live in Louisville studio
• 06:11 – Reaction to Kenny Minchey’s surprise commitment
• 07:17 – Detailed breakdown of Minchey’s ranking/potential
• 13:44 – Inside look at UK Football's portal/NIL approach
• 17:34 – Segment wrap; listeners invited to call
• 21:19 – Fans' pessimism/optimism about new QB—Will Levis vs. Vandagriff analogies
• 25:50 – Social media spat with Nebraska & Will Compton
• 33:20 – Mark Pope’s coaches’ show—team tries to decipher his language
• 44:00 – Listener reactions & suggestions for Pope
• 46:00 – Callers compare Pope to Bill Walton/Tony Robbins, voice concerns
• 49:21 – Hosts summarize frustrations re: Pope’s public communication

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Summary

This episode of KSR is a lively mix of breaking football news, a window into the transfer portal strategy era, and a humorous but pointed critique of the basketball program’s leadership approach. The tone is classic KSR: candid, irreverent, and accessible, with Matt Jones leading insightful conversations with Ryan, Shannon, and plenty of callers. For Kentucky fans, it’s an engaging primer on why optimism—or justified skepticism—makes UK sports so addicting, and why clear communication matters as much off the court as on.

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Transcript

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[Shannon]

This is Kentucky Sports Radio, presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome everyone Kentucky Sports Radio Tuesday, January 6th in 2026. I'm Matt Jones. You can give us a shout on the Clark's Puppet Shop phone line. We are in Our Louisville studio, 859-280-2287. A Vision Auto Glass text machine is 772-774-5254. In this edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. You call TJ. I'll make them pay. A rare day where everybody's in Louisville. Ryan drove up here. Shannon is always here, and I'm here today. And we don't often end up in this studio in Louisville. Got to see our guy, Perrin Johnson, who's now sales guy for iheart. As I think I said when he got hired. Didn't tell me.

[Ryan]

I had no idea.

[Matt Jones]

One of my really good friends walked in here one day, Shannon. And he's just here. And I'm like, what are you doing here? Yeah, I work here. Were you going to tell me? I thought you were teaching chemistry at Fern Creek.

[Ryan]

That's the last I'd heard he was teaching class.

[Shannon]

I thought he was selling bug spray.

[Matt Jones]

Well, dude, he's had every job. He's so. Bug spray. He's been a chemistry teacher. He's. He sold COVID test at one point.

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[Matt Jones]

And now he's selling ads here at iHeart. So it's nice to have him part of the. Part of the team.

[Ryan]

I had no idea. I said, how. When did you start? He goes, november. Well, how do we not know this? You know, he's maybe making it make an announcement.

[Matt Jones]

It is crazy that, like, two people I consider really good friends are so close to Louisville. With Vince now.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And Perrin, like, how does that happen? Because we don't. Like the mayor of Louisville, Shannon. It's like.

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[Shannon]

Yeah. He's a big Louisville fan.

[Matt Jones]

I think I have more friends at the Louisville side now than the Kentucky one.

[Shannon]

You throw the L's up.

[Matt Jones]

No L's down, you play. They play Duke tonight right here.

[Ryan]

All that's right.

[Matt Jones]

Just down the road.

[Ryan]

Yeah. It's in town.

[Matt Jones]

Who you forget?

[Ryan]

That's a game I'm probably gonna have to root for.

[Matt Jones]

Duke.

[Shannon]

Yeah, Duke.

[Matt Jones]

But see, I mean, we played Louisville, though. It's better for our strength of schedule wins.

[Shannon]

And they need all the help they can get on that right now.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you know, because their best players out and people aren't sure when he's gonna play. I don't know what the. Gail Brand, Mikhail Brown.

[Shannon]

Sounds like your L's up. Then if you're going, you're going for a little up.

[Matt Jones]

I'm like, Ls to the side. Okay. But I mean, I, I saw billboard as I was driving down Bardstown Road last night. Actually, I walked. Think about this, Shan. I walked from my house to El Nepal out there next to the Waters and back last night.

[Shannon]

Wow, that's a hike.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. I'm getting your exercise 20, 26, getting in shape. But on the walk back, I saw a billboard that said, come to the Duke game. Which says to me, Shannon, they don't think they're going to sell out that Duke game if they're having billboards saying come to the Duke.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I mean, if you got to ask people to come to the Duke.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there would have been a time you would not have had to ask to come the Duke game.

[Ryan]

You're really, really good. And it's here and your home court and you got Duke coming in.

[Matt Jones]

Home to the Duke game. Getting a billboard.

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

Was kind of been better though this year, right? Yeah, but I mean, they didn't sell out any game but us. Oh, we're the only game they sold out.

[Shannon]

This is not handing out flyers like he was last year. So that's better. At least they get a billboard.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so there's we a lot to get to. I mean, I. The Mark Pope show, I think we could do a whole show on, but I actually don't think it's the lead because I think the lead has to be football. Because Kentucky got their new quarterback last night. In a little bit of a surprise to people, Kenny Minchi from Notre Dame is going to be the new quarterback at Kentucky. He was committed. I mean, this is the new world we live in.

[Ryan]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

He entered the portal 48 hours ago, 24 hours ago, committed to Nebraska, and then last night flipped us, making Nebraska fans livid. I mean, livid. So let's first talk about who he is. All right. Because Sam Levitt is going to end up not here. There are reports that he might decide today for lsu. There are also reports he might visit Miami. At this point, who cares? Not coming here. But Kenny Minchee was the backup at Notre Dame. He was in a quarterback competition at the beginning of the year with the guy who got picked, who I think was C.J. carr.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And the coach decided on like the last day of practice to pick Carr. Said it was the hardest decision he'd ever made in his coaching career. Minchi will have two years of eligibility. He is the number 10 ranked quarterback in the Portal. Just to give you A basis of Comparison, the number 12 ranked quarterback in the portal was Cutter Boat. Okay, so that's what you're talking about.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

He is ranked 10th in the portal. He is ranked second amongst the quarterbacks who did not start for their team this year. Okay. So the other guys and I talked to somebody last night about how they do these portal rankings and they said it's really hard for guys who haven't played. But this dude, I guess I don't remember who was ahead, but this dude they thought had the most potential of the people that.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Hadn't played. My view about it is. And I talked about this on KS board Levitt. So. So the coaching staff felt like this. The coaching staff felt like Levitt was their top choice. He was the number one guy in the portal. They wanted him. But Levitt's brothers are running his recruitment. And Levitt's brothers said, hey, we're not ready to decide yet. And Kentucky says, okay, when are you going to decide? We can give you till tomorrow, which was today. And they said, well, it could be tomorrow, but it could be into the week because we might still go visit Miami. And UK felt like we just can't wait that long. I think the UK coaching staff felt like there were about 10 guys that were really good in this class. They were in on three of the 10. Levitt was their top choice, Minchi was their second, but they didn't want to risk getting neither because they felt like there was a big drop off after those 10. And Shannon, you might understand that because they had the guy at number 12 and let him walk.

[Shannon]

Exactly.

[Matt Jones]

So they clearly think there's a big drop off after the top 10 because they were willing to let number 12 walk. So I can understand in that scenario, Shannon, why you would say if there's a big drop off and you're not going to tell us, we just have to go ahead and take this guy.

[Shannon]

Makes sense to me. I mean, some of these guys I look at, like at four stars, five stars, and you have to sometimes take it with a grain of salt. But I mean, looking at what this guy has been able to do so far, I mean, I think he's going to be a good fit. And I think that Will Stein is a guy who can develop him.

[Matt Jones]

And I think ultimately you have to trust Will style. Yeah. He put Bo Nicks in the NFL, Dylan Gabriel in the NFL, and now Dante Moore will play in the NFL. His last three quarterbacks have played in the NFL. He clearly knows what it takes to put a dude in the NFL. Ryan, I think you have to say if he thinks this is the guy, then who am I to say he's not Exactly.

[Ryan]

I can't pretend like I know anything about Kenny Minchi other than what you wrote and look at wrote last night. But you totally trust he Stein's a quarterback whisperer. You think these top level quarterbacks, they want to play for him to help get them ready for the NFL. So if that's a situation where he was almost the starting quarterback at Notre Dame, who's pretty good. He's really good. Yeah, he's Will Stein's pick. I totally.

[Matt Jones]

Guy who beat him out is projected to after next year be an NFL quarterback. So, you know, like you got to.

[Ryan]

Be happy with it now.

[Matt Jones]

There were people. Yes, I do. I mean I, I'm not going to. I don't know anything. I didn't know there was a Kenny Mint until yesterday. So I'm not going to sit here and be. Know what? He's got a great arm, Shane.

[Ryan]

He can really throw me.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. I don't know. I talked to two different people last night, one who is a reporter and one who's just a fan of Notre Dame, both of whom said you are going to love him. Great, like talent, you know, nearly became the starter here. You're going to love it. I hope they're right.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Now there, I think the reactions online last night, Shannon told me I think you could see people's reaction online. Are you an optimist or are you a pessimist? Because your reaction online last night was basically determining that if you're an optimist, you go, will Stein's been a quarterback whisper. Last three in the NFL. Let's go trust him. If you're a pessimist, you go. That's what they told us about Brock Vandergrift too. And he wasn't no good, but different.

[Shannon]

Coaching staff though, I don't think. I think there's a big difference.

[Matt Jones]

And by the way, I also note if you want to do the. Well, that's what they told us about Brock Brandon Griff. Right before him was a guy named Will Levis who had never played.

[Ryan]

That's true. He was a backup.

[Matt Jones]

He was a backup, Yep. So when we take guys who haven't played, we're one in one. Will Levis was successful. Brock Vandergriff was not. And I also like when people say they Shannon because they're like it's what they did. But it's a different they who's they. It's a different they. I've told the story before, but when my mom was prosecutor. Do you remember this?

[Ryan]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

My mom was prosecutor and somebody got killed in Bell county. And my grandmother said to my mom, I don't think they're going to do anything about the guy who killed so and so. That's not really how my grandmother sounds.

[Ryan]

But I'm gonna do rough grandma.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think that's how they're good. They're gonna do anything.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

And my mom looked at her and said, mother, who do you think they is? It's me. Well, there's a little bit of that. Yeah, that's what they told us. Well, it's a different coaching staff now.

[Ryan]

So many people, they gotta, you know, they're from Missouri. You got to prove it to me. This guy's not.

[Matt Jones]

What do you.

[Ryan]

Show me, not prove it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Show me.

[Shannon]

Show me state.

[Matt Jones]

Show me say, not prove it's somebody from Missouri. You got to prove it. You mean show me, show me. Okay, There you go.

[Ryan]

I think they had to see it for the. He was close.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he was close. He knew that it was a state where you had something that, you know, prove or show. He knew it was. It was. It was either prove or show. He knew it was something. So the Prove it State. Missouri. Go ahead.

[Ryan]

Hell, I don't know what I was getting ready.

[Matt Jones]

I think you were going to say they were going to have to prove it. Like, you got. I got to see it.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Hasn't played a lot yet. Hasn't proved it yet because he's not from Missouri.

[Matt Jones]

What I see.

[Ryan]

And I said, prove it again.

[Matt Jones]

I will just let you go on that. So they get this kid. Now, the second part of it I thought was interesting. So I talked to a source around the program, a very good source, and I sort of. This was the first time I'd gotten to ask him, what is your all's like philosophy around the port? This is exactly what they said. And I want to see if you agree with this philosophy.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

They said, look, we have a budget of X amount of money. The key to college football now is figuring out how to use it. Right?

[Ryan]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

The NCAA allows us to spend this amount of money, and then there's obviously an IL that you could conceivably get on the side. The philosophy we have is there's only a handful of guys. The studs from his press conference feed the studs that are worth a lot of money.

[Ryan]

Okay?

[Matt Jones]

And we are going to spend our money on those guys and everybody else, if they're bleeding us for money, we'll say sorry. Cause there's 10 guys that are. If they're not quite as good as you are, really close. And we'll use them because we think our money is best invested on having a handful of studs. Do you agree with that philosophy?

[Ryan]

I like it. You got your center, you got your quarterback. So now you're going to feed the stud. Get you a running back, get you.

[Matt Jones]

So in this class, these are the quote unquote studs so far. The quarterback.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

The center they got from Baylor, who, by the way, is the number one ranked interior lineman in America in the portal.

[Ryan]

So that's big.

[Matt Jones]

So they got him.

[Ryan]

Your offensive line.

[Matt Jones]

I think they want to get the wide receiver from Texas more. He'd be one.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

I think they are probably looking at Ty Bryant, who they had to get to stay recruit as one. Yeah. And then maybe two or three more. And those are your studs. And then you build around them by the people that are willing to work at the price you would do. Do you like that philosophy?

[Ryan]

I love the philosophy. You know, bring in your guys, you know, that can be your playmakers rather.

[Matt Jones]

Than paying lots of money for 17 or 18 guys.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And then you just get whatever's left.

[Ryan]

Which is kind of when the philosophy in years.

[Matt Jones]

They're basically saying. That's exactly right. They're basically saying we're investing heavily in six or seven guys. Studs. Studs. And then we'll give good money to another 20. But we ain't getting in a bidding war for the rest of them. And that may mean letting some good players walk, but we need the stuff.

[Ryan]

Is the defensive lineman they got from lsu, is he in your. In your stud category?

[Matt Jones]

I don't think they would be in that category.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

I think he would be a. We got a good price on a good guy.

[Ryan]

Good. I mean, because I was impressed. I got him. He's a freshman starter in the SEC at lsu.

[Matt Jones]

But they didn't play as much this year.

[Ryan]

Didn't play as much as.

[Shannon]

Why don't you think they went all in on Sam Levitt then? If they're trying to.

[Matt Jones]

Because I think they got this guy for half the money and they don't think he's half the player. Well, and he also, I think himself may have wanted to go to lsu.

[Shannon]

I like that philosophy, though. I mean, you know, you're going to be going up against studs every Saturday in the sec, so you need, you know, your main guys to be the best that you can find. So I would rather do that than spread it out amongst 20 other because.

[Matt Jones]

I do think Stoops, his philosophy was I'm going to give 20 guys really good money and then let's just, we'll get whoever else we can get. They're saying we'll give elite money to seven guys, good money to another 25 and then the rest of the people will. And I think that it makes sense to me now. That means those guys gotta be good. True, they can't be bumped, they can't be bus. But I think that philosophy makes sense because Kentucky, they got the number one interior offensive lineman in the country because they focused in on him. And that's probably the way to do.

[Ryan]

And now that you've got your quarterback, you can go get a stud receiver. Guys are going to tell you.

[Matt Jones]

I think it's what they're hoping.

[Ryan]

Yeah, they want to see who's my quarterback going to be before I commit.

[Matt Jones]

And then you get a stud receiver. And then they're keeping a couple of those young guys that played well last year, Harley Gilmore, D.J. miller and hardly Gilmore.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So 859-280-2287. We'll take a break. Take your calls if you have thoughts on that. And then we're going to talk Mark Pope's you know show. This is ksr.

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back, techie Sports Radio. Is this why Tennessee Stud?

[Shannon]

Because he's a stud and he's from Tennessee.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, is he from Tennessee? I didn't know that.

[Ryan]

I think.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. See, I didn't know he's from Tennessee. There we go. Sorry, my.

[Shannon]

It's all right.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, my headset's not working. There we go.

[Advertisement Voice]

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[Matt Jones]

All right. She's from Tennessee. Good. Good to see. This is the. This on the text machine. The example. What I'm talking about one Matt. One person writes, Matt Mitchie sounds like Brock Vandergriff. I can't get excited. Well, why can't you say he sounds like Will Levis? Like, why do you pick Brock Vande Griff and not listen? I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying he's gonna be good. I have no idea. But what is it about your mind that goes to Brock Vande Griff instead of Will Levis? Like, it's you. If you think that way, you have a tendency to just think to the negative. Cause Will Levis was an NFL quarterback that came here, same situation. Penn State lost a battle, didn't get to play, came here and was good.

[Ryan]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Now, Brock Grand McGriff, same thing, came here, didn't work out. But neither of those things don't have anything to do with what Will Stein does.

[Ryan]

Nope.

[Matt Jones]

So when you're in brain initially says, in my mind, he's brought Vandergriff. You're also almost helping me look into your soul, Shannon.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

And say I initially look for the.

[Shannon]

Negative glass is half empty.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Shannon]

Person that you are.

[Ryan]

Vandegrift was a disappointment, but he was hurt. He got hurt. You know, he didn't have a good backup.

[Matt Jones]

The other thing I would say, so, like, there was a. I saw on Facebook people. I don't. People send me threads where people on Facebook are debating me and Shannon. I know not to look at. They're debating, like, literally. Someone wrote me and goes, you should read this. They're debating you. Oh. And I thought, no, I shouldn't. It's bedtime.

[Ryan]

But you did anyway.

[Matt Jones]

But I did.

[Shannon]

Oh.

[Matt Jones]

And, you know, usually it's like two different conversations. There's one of, he's a liberal. Stinky level, stinky, liberal. Joe Biden, Kamala Hearst Maga. Okay. So those people. You're not gonna win. Those people. But then there's the second group that will say something like, well, there's also a third group. There's a second group that's like, well, he's too arrogant. He talks too much. Well, it's a radio show. What do you want from me? I mean, you want me to just sit here and go, well, that's ksr. Like, I mean, I have to say something. Yeah, but then the third group will say, they're sunshine pumpers. They get everybody worked up. Well, here's my question. If we don't know this kid, wouldn't it be better to spend these next six months getting excited about him than to sit here and saying, he stinks?

[Ryan]

Absolutely.

[Matt Jones]

Like, what good does that do? We're spending the next seven or eight months going, he sucks, Referring to the program. None of us know. Not one person listening to this show knows if he's good.

[Ryan]

Nope.

[Matt Jones]

Not one person. Unless you are Mr. And Mrs. Minchi. And even then, you're probably biased because it's a kid.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Now you know. Now I do like the Nebraska part. I like making Nebraska mad. I do. Shannon. Nebraska fans, you want to talk about people living in a different generation?

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

They're the people still hoping that rotary phones are coming back.

[Shannon]

They're one step above Kansas for me.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Well, that's. That's just in the overall state.

[Shannon]

Yes, but that's the people, too, though.

[Matt Jones]

But Will Compton. Yeah. I got nothing against Will Compton. Don't even 100% know who he is. I know he's on busing with the boys, which is, like, two guys. Him and Taylor Scherzer.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Big, tall guy, Right? Used to be Scherzer.

[Matt Jones]

Or is it Lewin?

[Shannon]

It's not even close to.

[Matt Jones]

It's not. I know. It's Max Scherzer. Yeah. It's a pitcher. Taylor. Anyway, point being, I think they were former offensive linemen. Is that right? They used to be with Barstool. That's how I knew where.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And then I think they went and did something else. I don't know those guys. They may be wonderful dudes. So this is not. But Will Compton is, like, a Nebraska grad.

[Ryan]

Yeah. He played in Nebraska.

[Matt Jones]

Played it Nebraska. And he gets online and he's like. He's yelling about this kid. You blanked Nebraska. You had a deal, and it just whines. And I got nothing against Will Compton. I don't know him. He might be the best dude in the world, but Shane and I kind of loved listening to him whine.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So I retweeted because his show's called Bussing with the Boys, and I retweeted and said coping with the boys, which is beautiful. Which I have to say, I was proud of it.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that was a good one. That was a good one.

[Matt Jones]

Sounds like. I don't like the guy. I don't know the guy. Right. But I just like when Nebraska. Because, you know, they took. They took Wandell out of high school.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And then we got him back.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

And then we took Dial Dell.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But then they took Dane Key.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So I like taking their guy because Nebraska thinks they're Nebraska, but they're not Nebraska. If you're in Nebraska, you don't lose a guy to Kentucky.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Ryan]

I don't know where this rivalry started with Nebraska and us. It was one deal, I guess. The first guy we had our.

[Matt Jones]

And then there's the volleyball thing.

[Ryan]

Volleyball thing.

[Shannon]

We hate Nebraska.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And they have so much corn. And I. I'm. I'm not a fan. The other thing is, I would say to Will Compton, again, no offense, man, get your money. But you used to work for Barstool and then the gambling company offered you more money. And guess what he did, Shannon? He left Barstool and went to the gambling company.

[Shannon]

Followed the money.

[Matt Jones]

Followed the money. And when he was asked about it, I remember they said something like, well, I mean, we love the barstool people, but it was just such a good opportunity.

[Shannon]

You would have to follow the money to want to live in Nebras. I mean, you couldn't pay me enough to want to go to Nebraska.

[Matt Jones]

But, like, if you're going to be the guy that follows money, how can you get mad at this kid for following the money? Like, you know, it is what it is.

[Ryan]

One Nebraska game I went to this year to watch Dane. He was there. And when he went on the field, the place went nuts. Like, the student body went nuts. They loved the guy.

[Matt Jones]

He's very popular amongst. Amongst younger people. And good. I mean, I got good for Will Compton, but, like, yelling about this kid, I thought that was kind of low budget. Like, that's why you're whining.

[Ryan]

What do you call him? Spineless or something?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's. He'd only been committed to him for a day. It's not like his heart was there.

[Ryan]

That's true.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think. I think. I read he'd never even visited.

[Ryan]

Said what? Kentucky gave him a blank check.

[Shannon]

Yeah, so. And what's your point exactly?

[Matt Jones]

I mean, like. Like, I. It's not like in the 24 hours he was committed, he had like, started a farm and was growing corn out. Like he had no love for Nebraska. So now he's coming to Kentucky. Things happen.

[Ryan]

I hope we get them in a bowl game next year. That'd be awesome.

[Matt Jones]

Plus, they're undefeated in basketball.

[Commercial Announcer]

They are.

[Matt Jones]

They're calling it Nebrasket Ball. What? You don't like that?

[Ryan]

I don't like that at all.

[Matt Jones]

Nebrasket Ball. The coach, I think, after the game the other day, looked at the crowd and said, who's your daddy?

[Ryan]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just saying. We'll be right back.

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[Shannon]

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[Matt Jones]

Is this Springsteen?

[Shannon]

It is, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Because he has an album named Nebraska, right?

[Shannon]

I think so.

[Matt Jones]

I think the movie about him that just came out is about the making of the movie or of the album Nebraska. Oh, it is. I think so.

[Shannon]

This song has the same vibe that you get when you drive into Nebraska. As soon as you cross the state line, you just want to take a nap.

[Matt Jones]

I. There's a great movie called Nebraska. I love that. It's a great movie. It's Will Forte.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And it's about his grandfather thinks he won the Publishers Clearinghouse sweepstakes.

[Shannon]

Love that movie.

[Matt Jones]

In Omaha. And he can't convince his his granddaddy doesn't win, so he just takes him to Omaha.

[Ryan]

Really?

[Shannon]

That's the best thing about Nebraska is that movie.

[Matt Jones]

It is to cash in. And the movie's all in black and white. Really. It's a really good movie. It really is. I think. I think the older guy got nominated for an Oscar for it. That's a really good movie. That's exactly right. That's who it is. Yeah. That's a really good movie. 859-280-2287 all right, I got a couple people on I want to talk Mark Pope, but let's just. They've been waiting. So. Dennis, go ahead. Dennis.

[Caller]

Hey, once we comment on the. On Nebraska, not really what I call about. I talk about football. But in the volleyball tournament, I remember after one game, their fans was on Twitter talking about, oh, it's talking about the Beership. And also it's the Nebraska effect. And then after the Kentucky Wisconsin match, they got a big high rating. So they're volleyball fans just trying to.

[Matt Jones]

Get on my nerves. They really do. Their volleyball fans are very arrogant, but. Go ahead.

[Caller]

Very arrogant. They think they invented the game at the sport. But on the football, you is you said, Dion, you think DeAndre Moore is the. Is one of the studs receiver. What about Malcolm. What about. What about Malcolm Simmons and then C.J. baxter? Is he the stud running back?

[Matt Jones]

I think they want C.J. baxter, but they're. There's a couple other schools going for him. I think they feel very confident about DeAndre More Moore, Baxter maybe feel 50, 50 or something. So I'm not sure. And as far as the other receivers, I'm sure there are many great receivers. I just think that Moore is the one they feel like they got the best shot with.

[Caller]

All right. And do you consider the left tackle, right tackle also players that they want?

[Matt Jones]

Yes. The kid from. Is he from lsu? Is that right? The one that's visiting, whatever that guy Nick Roush reported? I can't remember what school it was. It was 340 pounds or something.

[Ryan]

It was LSU.

[Matt Jones]

I think it was LSU. Yeah, that's one of them, too. I appreciate the call. I can't remember what his name is, but by the way, I also heard a little bit about who we were paying last year. I'm not like. Because I don't know officially, I'm not going to say, but I can't believe some of the money we were paying to people last year and who we were paying it to. We have. We had five guys on the team last year, three of which, two of which barely played, three of which didn't start.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

That are making. We're making more money than all. But one person will make this year that poor budgeting. They did not budget well.

[Ryan]

No, they didn't.

[Matt Jones]

Trevor. Go ahead. Trevor. Trevor. All right, let's get to something else. 859-280-2287. Copeland, let's talk about the. The Mark Pope show last night.

[Ryan]

Good way to start.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, so listen, I read that Facebook thing and they're like, oh, he's already running off Mark Pope. I'm not running off Mark Pope. I like Mark Pope. I still think he can work here. I got. I'm. I am not anything but wanting Mark Pope to succeed. And there's almost nothing that could happen the rest of the year that would not say to me, Mark Pope should be back next year. So I just want to give that caveat since everybody seems to forget that. With that said, I think you are doing a dereliction in duty if you don't mention things as they happen and go, whoa, this is weird. Is that not fair? Very fair. I don't understand what that press conference was last night or the coaches. The coaches show Mark Needs to get away from Shannon. Speaking like Tony Robbins. Yeah. Yeah. Like he is. He is literally just saying gobbledygook.

[Shannon]

Lot of words without saying anything.

[Matt Jones]

I honestly feel like I'm listening to, like a motivational speaker.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And you're a basketball coach. I'm going to read you this quote. And this is from the show last night. Now, this is. Someone wrote this quote, so I. This is not. This might be a word or two wrong, but this is. Wyatt Huff wrote that. This is what Mark Pope said. This is what he said. And I want you to try to understand what these words mean. What's really important for us as coaches and as teammates is understanding the story that each of our guys and each member of our staff is telling themselves about what we're going through right now. And then bringing it back. Two things. One is a point of truth and two, a point of common understanding about what you're experiencing. Where the shortcoming is, where the pitfalls are. There was actually a theme of our film today. What does that even mean? I mean, seriously, he's. That's 15 seconds of words that I don't even know what to. What does that mean? A point of truth and me. The question was, why didn't we play?

[Ryan]

Well, yeah, me. The theme of film session, but it should have been, why can't we give up? Why do we give up so many open three pointers? That's what I want to know. The theme of the film session. Not about writing your Re. Looking at your story and rewriting your story.

[Matt Jones]

I don't understand. Credit to Tom Leach, who I thought asked him some good questions, but he doesn't really answer them. And then we bring on Travis Ford for 30 minutes. Who wants to hear that?

[Ryan]

I love Travis for. But the last night was not the time to bring him on for 30 minutes.

[Matt Jones]

But once they do that, that's always when you know things aren't going well. Yeah, right. When. When you start going, okay, let's bring on the former player. He needs a PR team. He needs someone there to go, what are you doing? What are you talking about? He said that Jalen Lowe would start at some point, but him not starting is part of bringing him back and getting him ready. What does that mean, Shannon? How does him starting playing three or four minutes later in a game change his rehab?

[Shannon]

I'm still trying to figure out his quote, which I've read 10 times and still don't. A point of truth and a point of common understanding.

[Matt Jones]

What does that mean?

[Ryan]

Come back to your story.

[Matt Jones]

You Know, here's what that sounds like. In my life, I've had to go, okay, so from a, like, what I believe in standpoint, I lean left. But from how I want to run meetings and life, I lean right. Shannon, not everybody needs to talk.

[Shannon]

That's true.

[Matt Jones]

Not everybody needs to tell their truth. That's a big thing liberals like to say. We should all get to say our truth. Some people's truth, Shannon, need to just stay in their heads.

[Shannon]

Yeah, that's good. Sometimes everybody doesn't need to be talking sometimes.

[Matt Jones]

I've been to a lot of meetings over the years, especially when I was thinking about running for Senate, where everybody had to speak and they would spend three or four minutes saying nothing, and it would drive me crazy. Usually listen to somebody dressed like a hippie go, really, what we need is passionate human understanding of the soul. And I'm like, the question was whether or not we want coal. That's what that sounds like. It is. It sounds like you're going to, like a peace love guru meeting. We're talking about basketball.

[Ryan]

This is the UK Basketball coaches show.

[Matt Jones]

Seriously.

[Ryan]

And all the whole purpose is relating to your fan base. I think that fan base does not.

[Matt Jones]

Relate to that exactly. You know, why is he doing that?

[Ryan]

I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, who's telling him to talk like that?

[Ryan]

I think his. If you would think his personality off the court reflects more that side of.

[Matt Jones]

Is it just that when he got hired and he was doing that, it's beautiful. And it's all that. I remember Drew said it once, like, we're okay with this now because we're winning, but when we start losing, this stuff is going to sound.

[Ryan]

Gets old quick.

[Matt Jones]

I think that's what it is.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I think when you go, everything's beautiful, and it's an understatement. Like, when you're. When you're winning, you're like, oh, he's quirky. But when you're losing, you're like, dude, I just asked you why Jalen Lowe wasn't starting.

[Ryan]

I've not heard one good reason why he's not playing his best lineup. You said that one lineup yesterday played one minute together.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

That's coaching malpractice.

[Matt Jones]

His answer when asked why Cam Williams didn't play was all over the place.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, it was all over the place.

[Ryan]

Still don't understand that.

[Matt Jones]

So. I don't know. I felt like when this was over, I had joined a new age philosophy club.

[Ryan]

That's kind of what it felt like.

[Matt Jones]

And I wanted Shannon to be not in the club anymore.

[Shannon]

Yeah. I think it would have been better off. Did not even hear anything.

[Matt Jones]

I kind of agree with you. He needs someone to help him not talk like that.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Don't you agree?

[Ryan]

Not just like that but how he does post game news conferences with Tom Leach after they lose. He can't act that way either. He's got to find. He's got to get it together.

[Matt Jones]

So was he like this at the beginning and we just ignored it?

[Ryan]

I don't remember him one time last year having that quarter reaction after a loss with Tom Leach.

[Matt Jones]

No. But do you remember him talking like a sha. You know, I mean he would throw. He's taking us all into. You know, he would go off on.

[Ryan]

A tangent once in a while but seems to be more so now. He's trying to.

[Matt Jones]

He's.

[Ryan]

He's searching for answers.

[Matt Jones]

That's probably what it is.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Is he just doesn't really know what to say. And it's like that meme on the office where he just start. He says like I open my mouth and start talking and don't know where it's going to end.

[Ryan]

There may be some truth to that. There may be some truth to that.

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back, Techie Sports Radio. Shane and I were talking during the break. This is Even Flow by Pearl Jam. There's a new wrestler in the independent circuit whose name is Stephen Flow. And he comes out and he's re sung the lyrics about him. He goes, stephen Flow. Shannon, I actually think it's pretty good.

[Ryan]

Yeah? Yeah. Good little gimmick right there.

[Shannon]

Rocking the flannel.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. He comes out, kind of looks like Eddie Vedder back then. Yeah, he's dressed like him. Stephen Fruit. Kind of pretty good.

[Ryan]

Kind of catchy.

[Matt Jones]

I think it's a smart idea. Text machine, 772-774-5254. One person writes, Matt, I'm ashamed to say I know where those sayings come from. From Martin Pope. It's from an author's leadership book named Breen Brown, and it's called the Story I'm Telling Myself. Well, that's what he said.

[Shannon]

That's a deep cut there, man.

[Matt Jones]

Breen Brown. B R E N E Brown. You have to look up, Shannon, and see if that's, like, a real thing. I mean, although, why would you just make that up? Yeah.

[Shannon]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Another person writes, matt, do you. I want you to read the phrase again that Pope said and then imagine him saying it to DeMarcus Cousins. All right, That's a good idea.

[Ryan]

That's a good idea.

[Matt Jones]

Let's act like. Like, let's act like this. This is. Mark Pope is coaching DeMarcus.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

What's really important for us as coaches and teammates is understanding the story that each of you guys and each member of our staff is telling themselves about what we're going through right now. And then bringing it back to two things. One is our point of truth and our point of common understanding about what you're experiencing. Where the shortcoming is and where the pitfalls are. Hello, Mr. President. This is the mother story. I was thinking you were gonna drop it there. Can you imagine saying that to a group of college basketball players, and DeMarcus.

[Ryan]

Says, Shut up, coach. Get out of the way and give me the ball.

[Matt Jones]

I can't imagine going in a locker room, though, and saying that.

[Shannon]

This ain't no spelling bee.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

While they're breaking down film, he says he's breaking down rewriting their story.

[Matt Jones]

Did you want me to cut left or right?

[Shannon]

Well, do you think DeMarcus would even commit to Mark Pope?

[Matt Jones]

No, I don't.

[Shannon]

I don't either.

[Matt Jones]

I do wonder about how. I mean, it's clear there are players that really love Mark Pope. But I do wonder, like, that's not going to work on everybody.

[Ryan]

No, it's not.

[Matt Jones]

You know, so I don't know. Let's go to Cowboy. What's up?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. It's first time, long time.

[Matt Jones]

Who up?

[Caller]

I got two questions. First, I just want to preface to say I think it was still the right move with Coach Pope at the right time. But I don't want to discount what Coach Cal did, like the telethons, the Samaritan feet, all those little things that he would do to get the team together and bring. Bring the whole state in with the team and show them who they are and everything. I think that's one thing that I think he's done.

[Matt Jones]

He's done a lot of that. I mean, he took the team to London during the tornado, so I think, to be fair, he's done a lot of that stuff. You may not have seen it. It may not have been quite as big, like the hoops for Haiti thing, but he's. I don't think you can say he hasn't really tried to reach the team out to the state, and they do bonding stuff all the time, so I don't think that would be. I think. I don't think he's done that poorly.

[Caller]

Okay. Those are just things that I haven't seen, I guess, but they were obviously things that Coach Cal would. Would.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, no, he's done that. And I actually think Cal got away from that at the end. I appreciate the call, but certainly at the beginning, he did a lot of that. I think Pope has to. Dave, Go ahead, Dave.

[Caller]

I mean, you know, listen to that. Last night, I thought, my God, we've hired Bill Walt. I mean, he. He was just the rambling, and you guys touched on. I mean, can you imagine if that's the way he tries to communicate with the players? I mean, no wonder we've sucked.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you have kids that age. Can you imagine Ryan saying that to, like, Josiah and All of his friends.

[Ryan]

They would zone out and not pay one lick of attention to what I'm saying. Not at all. You just zone out. You just, like, tune out.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Do you think that's what would happen, sir?

[Caller]

Oh, I don't. I have no doubt it would happen if he said it to me, and I'm 61 years old. But the thing about it is, is, you know what it. What has happened since last year?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know.

[Caller]

I mean, he's like. He's not even the same dude. I mean, if you look at our schemes offensively, the way his mannerisms, the way he talks, the way he handles himself, it's like he's a different dude, man. It's like he's been taken over by the ghost of Bill Walton. But thanks for taking my call.

[Matt Jones]

Appreciate the call. I think I had a lot of people yesterday compare him to Bill Walton, and I don't think that's exactly right because Bill was more kind of like a pothead. But the, like, random just, you know, this could go anywhere. Breen Brown, my mom says, is a woman. Did you look up to see if that. Do you. Is that. Is that a book she has?

[Shannon]

It is an author, Barry on Brown. No, no, Bring it different.

[Matt Jones]

He would have a different way of communicating. Samantha, Go ahead, Samantha.

[Caller]

Yeah, well, what I kind of saw with Pope, I wonder if he just doesn't know how to handle this team. They're functioning more and more into, like, pro instead of what college used to be. And it's almost like, I wonder if he came into it thinking he was going to coach a team like he was part of.

[Matt Jones]

Well, maybe, but. I appreciate the call, but I mean, he's smart. He. He had to know. And he was coaching up until this point. I know he was at byu, but. But he still. I mean, it is more like pro, but he knew that, I would think. Right.

[Ryan]

He's obviously very, very smart, and he obviously knows a lot more basketball than we all know. But last night was his chance to kind of reconnect with our fan base, and I just felt like he dropped the ball. You know, we wanted to be like Shannon said yesterday, we wanted our coach to be upset when we lose. We want to know how you're going to fix it. Not talk about, like you said, Tony Robbins quotes the whole night.

[Matt Jones]

I'd say, I think Tony Robbins mixed with Bill Walton would be the best way to put it. Yeah. Mark. Go ahead, Mark.

[Caller]

Hey, how you guys doing today?

[Matt Jones]

Doing good. Before you say that, Mark, one more thing. What was he talking about? AI pictures of plane crashes and all that. What was that, Shannon? I don't even know what he's talking about. He said there were AI pictures of his wife being pregnant and plane crashes and. And what was that?

[Shannon]

I think that somebody had. Had made those and maybe sent them and he had seen those.

[Matt Jones]

Did he think that every. I'm not. I mean, nobody covers this more than me. I didn't know what he was talk.

[Shannon]

I hadn't even seen the pictures.

[Matt Jones]

I hadn't seen him either. All right, go ahead, sir.

[Caller]

A couple things and I'll get off here real, real quick. Matt, you kind of stole my thunder there. That's what I was going to ask. If this is bizarre to us, his actions and what he says, imagine how it is with his players and with recruits and that could be a lot of the problem that we're seeing.

[Matt Jones]

Could be. I mean, I think that's a fair. Appreciate the call. I think it's a fair question. You know, again, I have found myself in rooms with people who talk like this. They're usually. It's usually political or it's like New age hippie religion stuff. And they're not talking about what he's talking about, but like just people who talk like that. And I find it exhausting. I really do like it. It just rubs me the wrong way. And I love Mark Pope, but there was a part of me that was going, hey, man, just get to the point. Yeah, and just answer what he's Tom. Tom is not Mike Wallace. Like, just answer his question.

[Ryan]

Trying to help you last night.

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