2026-01-08- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

KSR Podcast Summary – January 8, 2026 (Hour 2)

Podcast: Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR)
Hosts: Matt Jones, Shannon, Meg
Date: January 8, 2026
Location: KS Bar and Grill

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Episode Overview

This episode of KSR is an engaging blend of nostalgia, Kentucky basketball analysis, and thoughtful commentary on current events. The hour kicks off with discussion about the symbolic end of MTV’s era of music videos and a lighthearted debate on the most iconic videos ever. The core of the episode, however, focuses on the recent struggles of the Kentucky basketball team, roster construction, and the complications brought by NIL rules. Late in the hour, Matt provides a nuanced take on the previous day’s controversial shooting in Minnesota, offering both legal and societal perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points

The End of MTV Music Videos

• Announcement: Matt highlights that MTV officially stopped airing music videos across all channels, marking “the end of an era.”
• Nostalgia: The crew reminisces about MTV’s central role during their youth, recalling shows like “Friday Night Videos” and MTV’s cultural dominance in the 80s-90s.
• Iconic Music Videos: Spirited debate about the top five most iconic music videos, with input from hosts, callers, and the audience.

“When I was a kid, I watched two channels. ESPN and MTV. That was it.”
– Matt Jones [02:26]

• Notable Picks:

  • Michael Jackson – Thriller
  • Nirvana – Smells Like Teen Spirit
  • Guns N’ Roses – November Rain
  • Madonna – (debated which video: Like a Prayer, Like a Virgin)
  • Britney Spears – …Baby One More Time
  • Others mentioned: “Take on Me” (a-ha), “Video Killed the Radio Star,” Tupac’s “California Love,” “Run DMC – Walk This Way,” “Sledgehammer” by Peter Gabriel (cited by Google as the most-played), “Sabotage” (Beastie Boys), “Virtual Insanity” (Jamiroquai).

• Memorable Quote:

  “The reality is, at the end, all MTV was, was rap and boy bands.”
  – Matt Jones [05:29]

Timestamped Highlights

• [02:48] “What are the five most iconic music videos?” – Matt launches the debate.
• [03:14] Discussion of “Take on Me” and “Video Killed the Radio Star.”
• [05:12] “November Rain has to be up there; that video was epic.” – Matt
• [11:05, 23:37] Multiple returns to finalize and discuss the top three: Thriller, Smells Like Teen Spirit, November Rain.

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Kentucky Basketball: Frustrations, Roster, and NIL

Fan Calls and Panel Reaction

• Caller Ben [05:53]: Expresses frustration at recent team performance, questioning lineup decisions, recruiting, and overall direction.
• Host Analysis:
  • Matt and Shannon agree starting lineup choices have improved, but finishing games (and in-game substitutions) are problematic.
  • Locker room tensions highlighted, especially involving Diabate and his visible frustration/bickering with teammates during games ([07:09]).
  • Team lacks reliable scorers and overall confidence, especially against quality opponents.

"Are we just not very good?...I think the bottom line is we're not very good."
– Matt Jones [35:07~35:12]

“Would You Rather” (Tournament Run or Regular Season Success)

• Caller Drew [09:28]: Hypothetical: Would you rather UK have a dominant regular season and fall short in March, or a rocky season but a deep tournament run?
• Matt’s Take: Always values a memorable NCAA tournament run over regular-season consistency.
  • Quote:

    "When I'm 90, the things that were the best, that 2014 run's going to be up there."
    – Matt Jones [10:07]

Lineup Construction and Scoring Issues

• Callers & Hosts: Wonder why the team struggles to identify true scorers; consensus that while Pope and staff thought they recruited shooters, few have translated into in-game performance ([33:23–34:36]).
• Notables:
  • Only two players are “scorers,” with the rest considered “role players.”
  • Analytics: Worst efficiency splits between playing strong vs. weak opponents ([34:36]).

Recruiting and NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness)

• Callers Question whether issues lie with recruiting, coaching, or UK’s NIL structure ([40:32], [41:44]):
  • Matt explains: Football can use “rev share” to pay most players since rosters are bigger and there’s more money. In basketball, fewer roster spots and smaller rev share make NIL deals far more crucial to get top talent ([41:53], [42:48]).

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Current Events: Minnesota Shooting (Legal/Societal Analysis)

Matt Jones’ Perspective [24:51–32:16]

• Listener question: Why address it now? Matt warns listeners they can tune out if they don’t want to hear about the event.
• His take:
  • Calls the incident a “tragedy” and pleads for empathy for all involved.
  • Both the protester and the ICE agent likely made errors—“She shouldn't have pulled off, but she also didn't need to be killed.”
  • Offers detailed legal analysis:
    • Standard is “was it necessary and reasonable in the moment?”
    • Recent Supreme Court changes now allow state charges against federal officers under some conditions.
    • Predicts ICE agent probably won’t be charged, but training and rushed hiring is a systemic issue.
  • Criticizes politicians (especially DHS chief) for “immediately” labeling victim as a terrorist.
  • Plea to end polarized, knee-jerk reactions: “Can we just take a step back and say, do we want to do this for the next 50 years? Or can we go, man, that's unfortunate or bad. How do we stop things like this from happening in the future?”

“It's an absolute tragedy. Somebody died, and I don't think it was necessary. Whatever else you want to say about it, it wasn't necessary.”
– Matt Jones [24:58]

• Shannon [29:35]: Commends Matt’s evenhanded summary: “Well said, did a good job from a legal perspective just now.”

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Miscellaneous and Lighter Moments

• [12:06] Shannon jokes that his partner’s cooking, especially meatloaf, is a factor in their relationship — playful banter ensues.
• [13:00] Ongoing group memes about Matt’s hat & sweater photo.
• [17:38–17:44] Meg finds (per Google) that “Sledgehammer” by Peter Gabriel was the most played video on MTV.
• [18:28] Viral tennis video: A woman allegedly enters a pro tournament never having played tennis—hosts are amused by the absurdity.
• Sports Hot Takes:
  • Fiesta Bowl predictions—crew splits on Miami vs. Ole Miss (“I think the winner of the Indiana-Oregon game is the national champ.” — Matt [39:16])
  • Michael Irvin’s passionate Miami fandom is discussed and somewhat gently mocked ([39:24]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On MTV:

  “I can't think of another channel that was like for its time. The channel now, like nothing. Like people forget it's even on.”
  – Meg [02:19]

• On Basketball Team Chemistry:

  “There's a lot of frustration, I think, amongst the team about Diabate...he didn't play the last six or seven minutes.”
  – Matt Jones [07:55]

• On the Minnesota shooting:

  “Can we just take a step back and say, do we want to do this for the next 50 years? Just go at each other all the time? Or can we go, man, that's unfortunate...How do we stop things like this from happening in the future?”
  – Matt Jones [28:49]

• On Role Players and Scorers:

  “You just can't win at this level with role players. You got to have somebody that can score.”
  – Caller Donnie [33:31]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:00–06:00] End of MTV video era; music video nostalgia and rankings
• [05:53, 13:32, 20:26, 32:17, 40:32] Fan calls interwoven with basketball discussion (lineup, scoring, recruiting, NIL)
• [24:51–32:16] Detailed analysis/discussion of Minnesota shooting
• [33:05–36:17] Basketball roster evaluation & tournament outlook
• [36:31–39:16] Sports predictions, Bowl picks, Michael Irvin
• [41:44–42:48] NIL differences between football and basketball at UK

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Tone and Style

The tone is conversational, direct, humorous, and occasionally somber and introspective—especially during the segment addressing the Minnesota shooting. Hosts balance nostalgia, analytic sports talk, and empathetic societal commentary. Matt guides the conversation deftly—passionate and witty when driving KSR’s signature UK basketball sections, yet reasoned and deliberate during serious discussion.

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For new listeners: This episode is a great snapshot of the KSR experience: sports talk rooted in Kentucky culture, pop culture debates, lively audience interaction, and a willingness to discuss topics both light and weighty with candor and heart.

Transcript

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[Meg]

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. Hour number two, Kentucky Sports Radio here at the KS Bar and Grill. 859-280-2287. This segment sponsored by P locally owned and operated appliance, furniture and mattress store that has served the area for over 75 years. Even after 75 years, Pratts keeps getting better with age, being voted the best appliance retailer in the bluegrass the last six years in a row. Unlike the big box stores, our P team are experts at making your house a home. Go to P.S. in Lexington Enrichment Enrichment or P I R A tts.com it's P.S. they'll give you, give you more. Nobody beats a P. That's exactly right. Couple things here. We got folks on the phone I want to get to but I do think it's worth noting officially yesterday MTV stopped showing videos on any channels. The video era has ended on mtv.

[Shannon]

It's kind of sad because we are all that age. We grew up when MTV kind of exploded. I remember you hustle home on a Friday night to watch Friday night videos and then when MTV came on like oh my goodness.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon, what do you think?

[Shannon]

Is this.

[Matt Jones]

What do you think?

[Meg]

Well, I didn't even know that they were still running videos.

[Matt Jones]

Well, they still had other channels. They had like five or six channels of videos like MTV, hip hop, MTV 90s. Yeah.

[Meg]

I can't think of another channel that was like for its time. Like in its time. The channel now like nothing. Like people forget it's even on the air.

[Matt Jones]

When I was a kid, I watched two channels. ESPN and mtv. That was it.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Didn't. You wouldn't. We wouldn't have had to had any other channels in high school. I would watch espn, mtv.

[Shannon]

We all grew up that MTV era.

[Matt Jones]

I'm re. I'm re. I read a book right at the end of last year. I highly recommend Cue the Sun, which. The history of reality tv. And they talk a lot about the real world, but they also talk about the influence MTV has.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Had. Okay, so with that in mind, before videos, like, go away forever, I will ask you, what are the five most iconic music videos of all time? Before we pick them, let's just do some contenders.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

All right, contenders. Most iconic music video of all time. Thriller.

[Shannon]

Gotta be. I'll be number one.

[Matt Jones]

Thriller's gotta be on it. Smells like Teen Spirit.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, what else?

[Shannon]

Well, for my era, that video take on Take on Me because it was like half cartoon, half real, and the real people morphing cartoons. That was so incredibly awesome.

[Matt Jones]

I, I. Part of it might be their first video. They played Shannon that Money for nothing. Yeah, the dire. Because it was the first ever video.

[Meg]

No, no, you're thinking of radio. Kill video. Kill the radio.

[Matt Jones]

Video Killed the radio, sir. You're exactly right. You're exactly right. What else? Britney Spears Hit Me Baby One more time.

[Shannon]

Yeah, that's probably gonna be on the list.

[Matt Jones]

That's got to be on there because everybody knows it and everybody. The school girl thing.

[Meg]

I feel like Gangsta's paradise was big.

[Matt Jones]

For its Gangster's Paradise.

[Meg]

It was like it was on all the time.

[Matt Jones]

Let's see. Maybe if you want to pick a hip hop one. Is it going to be like nothing but a G thing? Yeah, because we all can see, like, Snoop Dogg waking up and he gets out of bed. One, two, three, into the four, Snoop Doggy Dog and Dr. Dre is at the door.

[Shannon]

Keep going.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I could, but I'm not going to.

[Shannon]

We've got to be missing a couple now.

[Matt Jones]

There's a bunch. What. What's Madonna's biggest one? Like a Prayer.

[Shannon]

Like a Prayer Vote.

[Matt Jones]

What about the one with the guy, Robert Palmer and the girls.

[Shannon]

Oh, yes.

[Matt Jones]

You know what I'm talking about. The women are like, might as well.

[Shannon]

Face it, you're addicted to love. And they're playing, they're playing the guitar behind him.

[Matt Jones]

Is that the one he's doing that on?

[Shannon]

I thought that was the one he was doing where he.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that was a very Iconic image. What else?

[Shannon]

You mentioned Madonna. There was a couple of her videos got banned from mtv.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, yeah. There's. Some of her videos were very saucy. I know we're forgetting people who are.

[Meg]

Genie was good.

[Matt Jones]

I love Genie in the Bottle, but I don't know if that's on the list. Well, anyway, people can put it on and we'll. Because I want to pick the five, I think, without question. Oh, oh, November Rain.

[Shannon]

Yes. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so I think without question, you've got to have Michael Jackson, Thriller, Smells Like Teen Spirit. And I'm gonna go ahead and say November Rain, because that was like, this epic, you know, performance of a video.

[Shannon]

There's got to be a Madonna one. She helped skyrocket MTV with her video.

[Matt Jones]

And there needs to be, like, a rap one, because all it was at the end was rap and boy bands.

[Meg]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So.

[Meg]

Well, yeah, like, I want it that way was on constantly.

[Matt Jones]

I wanted that way was on there.

[Shannon]

It was.

[Matt Jones]

Or Bye bye Bye.

[Meg]

All the small things. Blink182 was on there all the time.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, people can have their suggestions. Who's up first? Shannon.

[Meg]

Let's go to Ben.

[Matt Jones]

Ben, Go ahead, Ben.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Appreciate you taking my call. Just wanted to call in and kind of talk about basketball a bit. But I mean, this. This can't go on much longer. I mean, what message does it send, you know, to the college basketball world if we accept this? You know, I don't think this team laid any tournament, much less the NCAA tournament. We've got no recruiting, no energy, bizarre interviews. You know, he finally started the correct lineup last night, but not on his own accord. This after. There was buzz about it all week. You know, so Pokes lost and, you know, that's proven by the statistics and the eye test, both. So.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I understand. I appreciate the call. They did start the right lineup. We weren't. We didn't get behind in the first segment. We did get behind as soon as we put the reserves in, but it was 6. 6 on the first time out. That was better than it's been some games.

[Shannon]

So we started the right lineup, but we really haven't talked about the lineup he finished the game with.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I. I didn't like that. They didn't have quaintance. And first of all, let's let me just go through Diabate for the second straight game was a huge part of the bickering.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Which is why I don't think he was playing at the end.

[Shannon]

Mario was sitting on the floor since the message. He's arguing with everybody.

[Matt Jones]

You said Mario, he's arguing with everybody. And the caller just said a minute ago he was arguing with Pope. He's arguing with everybody. And he did it against Alabama, too. And I don't want to throw the kid on the bus. I don't think we lost because of that. But he did not play well and he argued with everybody. That the play that sticks out to me and Dame Bradshaw, who I think is a really good analyst, pointed it out. They had a high low with Moreno.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Diabate doesn't throw him the ball and then yells at him.

[Shannon]

Waited too long to throw it.

[Matt Jones]

Waited too long and then yelled at him. I think there's a lot of that. I think there's a lot of people. There's a lot of frustration, I think, amongst the team about Diabate. And so then he didn't play the last six or seven minutes.

[Shannon]

Did not.

[Matt Jones]

So. But Garrison, to be fair, Garrison, Moreno were playing pretty well, even though they made a lot of errors down the stretch.

[Shannon]

I just don't know with a minute to go, 53 seconds, where they called timeout and set up a play and they put the ball in Brandon Garrison's hands to initiate the offense, and then he threw it away.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

I just don't know if that's the right move to make at that time with Brandon.

[Matt Jones]

The Aerosmith, Alicia Silverstone videos.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Huh?

[Shannon]

Crazy.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, man, I. I had such a crush on Alicia Silverstone.

[Shannon]

She was huge in that time.

[Matt Jones]

What about. What was the one with Chris Isaac with that woman on the beach?

[Meg]

I don't want to fall in love.

[Matt Jones]

No, it's Wicked Game or Wicked Game.

[Meg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I love that woman. I don't know who that is, but that I was. As a kid, I was in love with her. Was. You even know her name? Who was that?

[Shannon]

I tried to think who it was. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I don't either. Black or white with Michael Jackson.

[Shannon]

Oh, that was great. With the people morphed into each other.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Shannon]

You know, Tyra Banks was one of those.

[Matt Jones]

This band wasn't big, but I think one of the more iconic videos, Shannon, was that Jamiroqua video on, like the Treadmill. He's on the Treadmills.

[Meg]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You know. Do you remember that one?

[Meg]

Virtual Insanity.

[Matt Jones]

Virtual Insanity, Yeah. I mean, no, but that song and that band doesn't really matter. But that video was very, at the time, sort of thing.

[Shannon]

Janet Jackson walking down the beach.

[Matt Jones]

I knew you're gonna. I knew you were gonna say Janet Jackson. I knew it. I would have predicted any amount of money you were gonna say Janet Jackson. Who's next?

[Meg]

Drew.

[Matt Jones]

Drew. Go ahead, Drew.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Longtime fan here. Been following you guys, KSR specifically since I was in high school. I'm tired of talking about the same things every week. Really. It's. It's just getting redundant for me. I'm gonna throw something else at you guys. A little. A little game of. Would you rather. Rather win pretty much all year, maybe five losses on the season, make the tournament and lose in the sweet 16 or before or have a season like we're having now, somehow sneak in with a 10 seed like Matt said and make a run into the Elite Eight or Final Four? I really can't decide. I want to win, but I also.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I will always pick tournament success. I mean, the example you would say, would you rather have the Oscar year we lost to St. Peter's or would you rather have the Harrison twins year where we get the championship game? I'm always going to take the Harrison's year because, you know, when I'm 90 years old and I appreciate the call and I'm laying on my, my, my deathbed and I'm. And to the extent I'm thinking about UK basketball at this point, however, you know, the world may have burned up and I may just be. But let's just say that it exists and I'm thinking about UK basketball when I'm thinking about the things that were the best that 2014 runs going to be up there. I can't remember much being more exciting than those games against Wichita State, Louisville, Michigan and Wisconsin. So I think ultimately the tournament success is what I'm always going to pick.

[Shannon]

Yeah, you definitely take that. That's at that 2014 run we don't remember. I don't remember a lot of the struggles they had during the regular season. We remember that March Madness run. So if he's asking me which one.

[Matt Jones]

I'm taking, definitely taking that real Slim Shady.

[Shannon]

Good one.

[Matt Jones]

Because they had all the. The people that look like.

[Shannon]

Look like him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Run dmc. Walk this way.

[Shannon]

Yep. That was one of the first big.

[Matt Jones]

Breakout videos was California Love Tupac.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I'll tell you one. They played a lot. Meatloaf? No, I would do anything. Song is horrible. Wow. Does that what that would seem to read? That's. That's the first one you've had a big reaction to. You don't like meatloaf, Shannon?

[Meg]

No, I don't like the musician or the.

[Matt Jones]

You don't like the food either.

[Shannon]

Awful.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, wow. So you hate both the musician and the food.

[Meg]

Don't give me meatloaf. Don't want to hear it. Don't want to taste it.

[Matt Jones]

I feel like meatloaf is a. Is a grandmother food. It is.

[Shannon]

Love me some meatloaf.

[Matt Jones]

It is like.

[Meg]

I mean, like meatloaf.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Who. Who makes meatloaf? That's not a grandmother. Cracker barrel.

[Meg]

That's grandmother stuff, though.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, cracker barrel. I think the people working in the kitchen are all the grandmothers.

[Shannon]

Yoga girl makes a great meatloaf. That's one of my favorite things she makes.

[Matt Jones]

Does she just cook for you all the time?

[Shannon]

Yeah, a lot of the time.

[Matt Jones]

Is that why keep her around?

[Meg]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Jones]

I'm kidding, sweetie. I saw your visceral reaction, man. I saw your reaction. So people say to me, matt, how come you're not married? My man over here? This is why that. This is why this will be the third is because he says things like that.

[Shannon]

Oh, sugar booger.

[Matt Jones]

I'm kidding. That's also not a sweet sugar booger. No woman wants to be called a sugar booger.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I'm gonna probably pay for that one.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. By the way, people are all using that picture of me in the hat and the sweater now.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

As like a meme.

[Caller]

Uh huh.

[Matt Jones]

I don't care. I like that picture.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I think it's good.

[Shannon]

The real photo of you is good. The memes are now getting really hilarious. Put a big beard on you. Someone had a big beard on you. One of you had, like a hippie haircut on you.

[Matt Jones]

That's fine. I think the funniest one was the first one with the one with the little kid.

[Shannon]

That was good, too.

[Matt Jones]

I thought that was the best one.

[Shannon]

Have they picked that one to be your profile pick?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. I don't know. I haven't heard.

[Shannon]

I kept waiting for Tom Hart to make some sort of reference about those photos, too, last night.

[Matt Jones]

Well, how's he gonna reference that?

[Shannon]

I don't know. He's pretty good at that kind of thing.

[Matt Jones]

All right, who's next?

[Meg]

Dustin.

[Matt Jones]

Dustin. Go ahead, Dustin.

[Caller]

Yeah. This squarely falls on Pope's shoulders. You cannot make Ortega away the centerpiece of your team. I mean, don't get me wrong, he's our best player. However, last year, I told my friends, all my buddies here, I was better. Ortega, always a poor man. Michael Kid Gilchrist. And with Mitch Bart. This is his fault. As well, JMI things Pope can't recruit. This is Barnhart Tire. What's the deal on him stepping away? Is that true?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, I still believe I. My bet is still that he does. You know, I think it's one of those things that maybe me saying it makes him more resilient to stay. I don't know. But I still think it's more likely that he does. I think, I mean, the contract says what it does. The contract allows him. It's allowed him to start stepping away right now. I also think it's just the right time. There's so much transition happening at uk. I still believe it's the right time. I've taken some heat from the folks at UK for saying that, but I still believe it's. It's the case and that. And so I still think he will and I honestly still think he should.

[Shannon]

So with the basketball season going south a little bit, is he more of a guy that wants to get out now while the getting's good, or. We'll try to. We'll see it resurrected.

[Matt Jones]

There's a part of Mitch I think that would think I got to stay here and leave the ship. Correct. Before I leave.

[Shannon]

I think so too. I think he's that kind of guy. He wants to leave his legacy with everything on solid ground.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. The reality in Kentucky right now, if you can't find affordable child care a place to live, it's hard to take jobs and businesses can't grow with short tens. We're short tens of thousands of child care spots. And parents, when they can't find child care, they're forced to cut hours and leave the workforce. We are trying to tell Frankfort at the Kentucky Chamber fix this. Go to opportunity starts here.com to add your name today. Opportunity starts here.com to add your name today with the Kentucky Chamber. Little thing to watch. I don't know if it means much, but somebody filed a bill yesterday that would force Kentucky and Louisville to play Eastern, Western, Northern, Murray State and Morehead in quote, as many sports as possible every year. What if they made us play them every year in basketball?

[Shannon]

All those schools.

[Matt Jones]

That's what the bill says on the list. It was all. It was only the public schools.

[Shannon]

I'm okay doing one a year.

[Matt Jones]

You can't force them to play five.

[Shannon]

Can't.

[Matt Jones]

You cannot force those schools to play all five. That. That would be. They got. They would have to vote that down. That's.

[Meg]

Your hat's half your non conference schedule.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, that's half your Basketball schedule.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So you can't do that. We'll take a break. Right back. KSI tv. See, I feel like this is definitely one. Nothing in your Chicks for free.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

This is certainly one, in my opinion. I feel like this was like. It had the little tech and everything, and it was. It was one.

[Shannon]

I got a couple others.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, go for it.

[Shannon]

Freedom. George Michael, where he's not even in the video. It's all the supermodels singing the song.

[Matt Jones]

I actually don't remember that one. That just feels like one you would remember.

[Shannon]

Pretty iconic. Okay, what about the White Snake video with Tonic?

[Matt Jones]

That one definitely where she's on the car.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

It's not surprising, Shannon. He picks all the slightly say warrant.

[Meg]

Cherry pie.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, I'm kind of surprised he didn't.

[Shannon]

I was next.

[Matt Jones]

Let's go some more in here. Seal, Kiss From a Rose. I feel like they did show that one. Yeah, that was a big one. See, I've got.

[Shannon]

I wonder what the most played video ever on MTV is.

[Matt Jones]

That's a great question. I don't know.

[Shannon]

Somebody maybe able to look that up.

[Matt Jones]

It's probably. That would be a good question for trivia, right? Don't you think?

[Shannon]

Top videos ever on mtv.

[Matt Jones]

I'm trying to think of the ones where they're like. I can image a moment from them. So, like, I can image, like Beastie Boys, Sabotage. I can see what they look like when they were doing that shit.

[Meg]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And MC Hammer can't touch this with the hammer pan.

[Shannon]

Oh, yes. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Meg]

According to Google. You want to know the most?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Where they say the most video of.

[Meg]

MTV and MTV history is Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel.

[Matt Jones]

That felt like the one. I think that's. I think that's a good one. I can also like Billy Idol, White Wedding.

[Shannon]

Yes. Another good one.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. These are old.

[Meg]

Black Hole sun was the freakiest music.

[Matt Jones]

Black Hole, son. Scared me.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't like it, the way their face is all morphed and all that. One person writes, matt, you're an hour and a half into this. You still haven't say anything about what happened in Minnesota yesterday. I'm going to. I'm going to mention something on that, but I'm going to give people notice so that they can, if they don't want to listen, not get mad, because I actually have a legal way of looking at it. But I'm away. I'll do that. I'LL do that next segment. So you can run away if you don't want to hear that.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

I think that's fair. Right.

[Shannon]

We talk about what's going on in our country. It's definitely a big topic.

[Matt Jones]

Did you see the tennis player who entered into the professional tournament and had never played tennis? What?

[Shannon]

I already love this story. I don't even know where it's going.

[Matt Jones]

Have you seen this video? No. Best video on the Internet. You got to look it up. It's a women's tennis tournament. It is a professional tournament. It is like a. The way the tennis tour works. There's like six or seven tournaments every week somewhere around the world. The big ones are there, but then there are also little ones.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

And sometimes everybody outside the top 10 plays in the little ones too. Right. It's one, I want to say it's in India, but it is a professional tournament and a woman enters. And if you watch the video, it looks like she doesn't, she doesn't know where to serve from. She doesn't even know the rules. I, I, I, no one has written how she got in the tournament.

[Shannon]

How do they allow that?

[Matt Jones]

You've got to watch the video. She can't hit the ball. She somehow scored three points, I think, because twice the other person. Double fault. I don't know why you would double fall. Why don't you just dink it over the net? Like she can't hit it. But watch her try to serve. She misses the ball once.

[Shannon]

Well, you know, we all got behind the, the breakdancer.

[Matt Jones]

This is different, though. The breakdancer clearly had break danced. I don't think this person had ever played tennis before.

[Shannon]

How did she get into the tournament?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. Shannon, are you watching?

[Meg]

I'm watching it right now. She's hitting it like it's badminton or something. Like she's not even. She swings and misses the first time. Drop the ball, hits her foot, picks it back up, and then like, just barely lobs it over the net.

[Matt Jones]

Does it look like she's ever played?

[Shannon]

No.

[Matt Jones]

And she's in a pro tennis tournament, so you need to see the video.

[Meg]

Anybody in there? Apparently.

[Matt Jones]

What? It's, it's, Yeah, I, I want to know how she got in. Do you think they just, like somebody didn't show up and they were just like, anybody here want to play? And she stepped in. She held her hand up.

[Meg]

You over there grabbed his racket.

[Shannon]

I got a racket. I'll play.

[Matt Jones]

It's, it's, it is a It's an unbelievable video. Who's next?

[Meg]

Dan?

[Matt Jones]

Dan. Go ahead, Dan.

[Caller]

Matt, give me some context. Is I'm a retired minister and I, big time listener, have agreed with you most everything you've said through the years. But there's this thing and your mom's going to seminary. It's called cultural context. We do, we interpret the Bible, we use cultural context. I think you and many of our fans are missing the context here. We keep talking about this 22 million, but how do somebody do a percentage of the minutes for the players who are getting the most money and particularly those that haven't played Harley all year?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's a totally fair point. That's a totally fair point, sir. But that's partially still though about what you decide to do. I mean, there are some people who've made the argument you shouldn't be playing your paying your 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th man as much money because you're not using them. And you should have used that more on the top eight. You see what I'm saying?

[Caller]

Yeah, but that's easy to say now, Matt.

[Matt Jones]

It is.

[Caller]

I mean, quite, quite. And last night, my goodness, I was right under the basket when he had a chance to grab the ball. Twice he had the ball taken away from him. He's not in game shape and they're just not being able to play together. I just think everybody is trashing him. Matter of fact, one of your riders referred, Jack, who I love, referred to some of the players might even be mercenaries because they're taking the money. And I just think we're getting into character issues.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I agree with that. You don't want. I agree with that.

[Caller]

Yeah. We're so jumping on him right now that he deserves a chance. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. When I was coming back from the game last night. Listen to the show. When you say things like, you know, Mark does not understand the kid, he doesn't understand what he's doing. And I mean, honestly, Matt, he knows more in his little finger than you and I will ever know about.

[Shannon]

Of course.

[Matt Jones]

But I want to use your phrase cultural context. Okay. Does he know more than you and I? Yes, but that's ultimately not the question. The question is, does he know more in the game than Dennis Gates, who he's playing? How does he.

[Caller]

Okay, you know what his record is the first three years?

[Matt Jones]

Dennis Gates record, first three years. Let me take up for Dennis Gates. Dennis Gates record his first year, 1 in 17. And he just came in and got Missouri's first win ever. In Rupp Arena. That's an amazing turnaround.

[Caller]

Well, that wasn't his. I don't believe that was his first record at Missouri anyway. His first three years were 55 and 46. Nate Oates for the first year was 61 and 36. First three years we have, we've got to give this guy a benefit of the doubt and get him through the season. He'll have to stay, suffer the consequences.

[Matt Jones]

It's a fair point. Totally fair point. But again, the comparison is not me and Mark Pope. It's Mark Pope and NATO. We'll take a break and be right back.

[Shannon]

Ksr, TJ Smith, personal injury attorney. Call tj.

[Matt Jones]

He'll make him pay.

[Meg]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio, presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

So we would. I think we would all agree. Thrillers. Number one.

[Shannon]

Gotta be.

[Matt Jones]

What do we. Is. Is November rain.

[Meg]

Number two, Smells Like Teen Spirit.

[Matt Jones]

I could go with Smells Like Teen Spirit. Either one.

[Shannon]

Either one.

[Matt Jones]

Or I could go with November 8th. I think they're two, three in one order. Do you agree, Shannon?

[Meg]

Probably so, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And I think I could go a lot of different ways of four or five. Some other suggestions? Tom Petty. Don't come around here no more with the that. Because that was. Wasn't that the Alice in Wonderland one?

[Shannon]

Oh, yes, it was. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

That was, I think, a really good one.

[Shannon]

I think Madonna's got to be on the top five.

[Matt Jones]

Corn with the Bullet. You know, Shannon with the Bullet, One Freak on a Leash and then Share on the Battleship.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Right. Yeah, that's pretty.

[Shannon]

Turn back time.

[Matt Jones]

That's an iconic one. I think it's tough after the top three. I think those are a very solid top three. I agree with you. Madonna's got to be on it. But which one of Madonna's is like the most iconic? Is it like a prayer? Like I'm. Excuse me, Like a virgin.

[Shannon]

You know, there were so many that, you know, MTV would count down to the debut of her or Michael Jackson's video. You have to, you know, 24 hour countdown.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't know. Three, I think, are.

[Shannon]

Those are solid.

[Matt Jones]

But then after that, I don't know. Okay, so now if you, if you don't want to hear this, turn it off for three minutes and then you can, you can come back on. I do want to talk just one second about what happened in Minnesota because it's, I think, a really sad tragedy and I hate, I hate the way we talk about this stuff now. I posted last night a couple times, one of which I took down because even I didn't like my own tone about it. But, you know, you watch, we've all seen the video. We don't really know what happened before or after, but we've seen the video. It's awful. It's a tragedy. And I wish that everybody who had a take on it, and there are a lot of takes to have would just acknowledge that to start with. It's an absolute tragedy. Somebody died, and I don't think it was necessary. Whatever else you want to say about it, it wasn't necessary. She should not have pulled. Like, she should have stopped. There was no reason for her to drive it. But she also didn't need to be killed, in my opinion. Both those things can be true. Right? You can say that she made a mistake in driving, but you also can say, I don't know, did he? Did she need to be killed? You can also say that both people involved made mistakes, but that also doesn't necessarily mean they're the worst person in the world. Right? Like, I think it's. I think it's an absolute shame that there were leaders of our government out there calling her a domestic terrorist. You don't know this woman. 30 minutes after it's over, the Department of Homeland Security leader is out there calling her a domestic terrorist. Shame on you. You don't know her. Now, maybe I don't know her. Maybe something. I don't know, but, like, maybe it's just a woman who made a mistake. She was protesting. She, like, parks in the middle of the road, and maybe in the heat of a second, she makes a mistake and moves her car when she shouldn't. It doesn't make her a terrorist. Like, come on, have some sympathy. I give credit. I actually saw some members of government not doing that, including the Tom. The leads, the border czar, who I've never really liked, he actually said, I don't want to say anything because I don't know enough about it. Good for you. That's the kind of thing you should say, right? Also, though, the cop, you know, my side is very quick, often to indict these people. The ICE guy. I think these ICE people need more training. I've talked to people that say they're putting some people in these ice rolls real quickly that don't have the training for it. I talked to some people in law enforcement yesterday who said they teach law enforcement don't ever come from the front for that very reason. For that very reason. But you know what? He might have gotten scared. And in the moment did something really stupid or that he regrets or maybe he didn't. I don't know him. But you know what? Nobody else does either. So I would just say now, from a legal perspective, there was. I posted a thread about how it will be interpreted legally. Read it, a lot of people argued with it and I was like, look, you may not agree with it, but this is the legal question, the standard. And the Supreme Court just changed this last year. The standard is, was it necessary and reasonable in the moment? Objectively doesn't matter what the officer himself think. It's objectively. Now you can watch that video and you can have different conclusions. You can think it was reasonable or not based on your own conclusion, but that's the legal standard. And each shot has to be legal, meaning the. So I watched the video. In the first shot, I could see how he thought he was gonna be hit. Do you need to kill the person? I don't think so. But it. I'm not an officer, I can't say that I don't deal with that on a day to day basis. You know, but then the second and third one from the side, I think it's a lot harder argument for him then they're already driving away. But it also happens in a millisecond, right? So I can't have a powerful, strong force. I don't. I see people online, they're like, he's a murderer, she's a terrorist. We've got to decide what kind of country we want to live in. Do we want to live in a country where we just immediately see something and just decide that the other person is just awful, or do we want to say that is an awful thing that happened. There's a kid out there that doesn't have a mother and there's this video and it's awful. And we just go, can we just take a step back and say, do we want to do this for the next 50 years? Just go at each other all the time? Or can we go, man, that's unfortunate or bad. How do we stop things like this from happening in the future? That's just my take on it. And I felt like I wanted to say it.

[Shannon]

Well said, did a good job from.

[Matt Jones]

A legal perspective just now. Just strictly law. He's a federal agent. If the state were to decide to charge him, and I have no idea if they would, it would get removed to federal court. So it would not be in state court. We in federal court, the standard would be was it necessary and appropriate. Also you have the situation where the president, people say, can the president pardon him? No, it would be a state case. Murder's a state case. But it would be in federal court. And there's a legal standard, there's an opinion. The Supreme Court just released last year about this very issue. A conservative Supreme Court that actually made. It used to be cops, federal agents could avoid being charged ever in state court. Now, that's not true anymore. Sometimes, again, people see the Supreme Court, they go either conservative. They actually made it easier for officers to be charged last year. I think in the end, he won't get charged, or if he does, it'll get dismissed for a variety of reasons that if you ever see me offline, I can talk about. But it still is a tragedy. And our leaders shouldn't get up and call the dead woman a terrorist when she just got murdered. I just. That's my take on it. And I'm. But I'm also not going to say that the ICE agent, that it was crazy to do it because, I mean, he probably was scared too. The reality is, ask anybody in law enforcement who's dealing with ice, they'll all tell you the same thing. These people are not trained enough. They're putting these people on the job after two or three months and they're not trained enough. And I had a friend say to me recently, he predicted this. He said, this is gonna happen. These people are not trained enough. And I think you saw that yesterday.

[Shannon]

How can you give somebody a gun and put them in that position if they're not trained properly?

[Matt Jones]

Because I think the government has said, we gotta do this immediately. We gotta do this immediately. And they've just put. Now, this guy may be somebody who's been in office for a long. So I don't know. I don't know about this person.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But I mean, I think every police officer listening will tell you, they tell you, do not get in front of a car that's moving or that could be moving. Approach from the side. Think about when you've been pulled over. Do they approach you from the front? No, they approach from the back or the side.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

And ICE has a internal policy. Don't fire at moving cars unless you think you're gonna be run over. And then you can determine for the video whether that was a reasonable thought. I think you could see it either way, depending on how you look at it.

[Shannon]

Was there another weapon involved with the driver? Did they.

[Matt Jones]

That I've not heard there was.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

But again, I don't know. But I've not heard there Was, she was blocking the road, from what I understand.

[Shannon]

Yeah. So Sad.

[Matt Jones]

It is sad. 859-280-2287. Now you can turn your radios back on. Who's up next?

[Meg]

Let's go to Donnie.

[Matt Jones]

Donnie, go ahead. Donnie.

[Caller]

Meg, Matt, thanks. First taking my call and the shooting in Minnesota. You're right on. I mean you're just dead on. Everything you said, getting back to the basketball team. There's a number of issues, problems to me as a fan. The main issue with this team is we don't have the players to go deep. We just don't. When this team was constructed, I don't know, someone should have said who's going to score. We don't have the players that can score.

[Matt Jones]

I think they thought they did. I mean they thought they did. They clearly, they clearly don't, but they thought they did. I mean, remember Pope would talk about how well they shot in practice and all that. He's clearly abandoned that. By the way, they don't even try to set up for threes anymore. So you know that you.

[Caller]

Yeah, I work. It's constructed mainly. Not all of them. Mainly of role players.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Caller]

You just can't win at this level with role players. You got to have somebody that can score the basket and you can go from one to ever how many down the lineup and there's just no one other than no way that can score really well.

[Matt Jones]

I think Low can score, but I, I, I appreciate the call. How many people on the team do you think you would classify as a scorer?

[Shannon]

Two.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. If you're being generous too. I think always a scorer. I don't think he's the greatest shot creator. But, but he's also shooting 63% on layups.

[Shannon]

Yes. And he was your best three point shooter last couple games.

[Matt Jones]

He did make a couple big ones.

[Shannon]

He did.

[Matt Jones]

Cam Williams, I think is a good shooter when you get him open.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I thought Colin Chandler and Trent Noah were good shooters. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. They haven't been this year.

[Shannon]

I think you're right. I think this staff thought they had Williams, Noah Chandler, top level three point shooters and then right below him would be away, Aberdeen and Low. I think they thought those guys would still be good enough three point shooters to carry you.

[Matt Jones]

Did you hear Dame Bradshaw said Kentucky has the worst efficiency split between playing good teams and bad teams than any team in the country.

[Shannon]

I'm not shocked. It doesn't surprise me.

[Matt Jones]

That's one of those things that the analytics also are how you feel you know, it feels like we play so different when we play somebody good versus somebody bad.

[Shannon]

So look, here's, here's the question I need to ask you. Are we just not very good?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, we're not very good.

[Shannon]

I mean is it bottom line?

[Matt Jones]

I think the bottom line is we're not very good. Yeah, I think it is. I don't think we're very good. And I, the question that remains is are we not very good? 8 seed, 7 seed, 10 seed, or are we not very good? Miss the tournament. That's kind of the what's left to me.

[Shannon]

If you had to predict right now, do we make the tournament? What seed are we if we make the tournament?

[Matt Jones]

If I had to predict right now, we're on the bubble all year and we play in the first four because we're Kentucky and we play in Dayton.

[Shannon]

I can get behind that. I've always wanted to go up there. I think that could be fun.

[Matt Jones]

That would be good for you.

[Shannon]

I could definitely get behind that play, go up to date.

[Matt Jones]

That would be my predict. If I had to predict right now, that would be my prediction. Like we're kind of on the bubble all year and then we get in at like 19 and 13. Win one game, the SC tournament, lose the next one. We're 19 and 13. They put us in in Dayton and we play like Utah State.

[Meg]

Are you like that 11 line? Like the play and then you're on.

[Matt Jones]

The 11 line and then you'd have to go play a six or something in the next round. But first you'd have to win in, in date. That's my prediction. That's, I'm gonna write that down as my prediction.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

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[Meg]

You warned him. He's listened. He probably wanted to hear it anyway.

[Matt Jones]

Probably. Yes. DraftKings tonight, Miami and Ole Miss go to DraftKings.com pro program code. Use the code KSR BET5, WIN200. It is the Fiesta Bowl. There's a guy named Barstool Mincy. Do you know who that is?

[Shannon]

That's our new quarterback, isn't it? Minchi.

[Matt Jones]

His first name is not Barstool, though. His first name is Kenneth Bar. Barstool Mincey is a. He's a Barstool guy. He's an old misfit. He was supposed to be on this show. I asked him to come on this show for the Kentucky Ole Miss game last year and he asked me how much I was going to pay him and I was like, nothing. But he. They've been following him on the way to the game. It's been very funny. So I've been watching that. But Miami, Ole Miss. Miami's a three and a half point favorite. Who you got?

[Shannon]

Miami's came in as what, the 10 seed there. They kind of may have been on this glorious run. I didn't think Ole Miss is going to be Georgia, so I'm going to go with Miami.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Shannon]

Carson, Beck and Miami going to the finals.

[Meg]

Shannon, you know I'm pulling for Ole Miss. They don't have a head coach. I hope that they make it to the championship at least. So I'm going to. I'm going to say Ole Miss wins it tonight. They've been on.

[Matt Jones]

Give me Ole Miss. I'm with Shannon. Give me Ole Miss. If you're giving me three and a half points, so I'm getting the points and I don't. Miami obviously won a big game against Texas A and M, but they haven't been great. I mean, Louisville beat them.

[Shannon]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Jones]

So I'm gonna go with Ole Miss. I think they. I think they go. I go with Ole Miss. Then I think the winner of the Indiana Oregon game is the national champ.

[Shannon]

I just really hope that Michael Irvin's there tonight and I hope he somehow they can show him on during the game.

[Matt Jones]

You don't like when they show Michael Irvin?

[Shannon]

Well, I didn't even know if he was there last game. Did they show him him and Ray Lewis. You don't like that Michael Irving gets way into the game.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I thought you would like that. Like, I thought you would like a fan that is that passionate. Wouldn't you like, like if Kentucky's playing in the national championship game. Wouldn't to see DeMarcus cousins and and Ta Prince having that kind of emotion.

[Shannon]

I actually would.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, exactly. Like they care. Doesn't that matter?

[Shannon]

I think it does matter. Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Especially Michael Irvin. I like Michael Irvin's. I mean he's clearly like mugging for the camera. Like, I mean, clearly. But I also like, like a dude that's a fan on his knees like Shannon. I do kind of like it. Do you not?

[Meg]

It's all right. So Michael Irvin's a little bit over the top.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Meg]

Maybe have something to do with that booger sugar that Ryan was talking about earlier.

[Shannon]

Sugar booger.

[Meg]

Oh, sugar booger.

[Matt Jones]

All right, who's next?

[Shannon]

But you're both.

[Matt Jones]

Josh, go ahead, Josh. I'm taking Ole Miss to cover. I don't know if they win, but I think it's going to be a very close game. Josh, go ahead.

[Caller]

First time caller who are. So my question is, do you think that it is a combination of recruiting from Mark Pope that we can't really get players into the basketball team or is it the JMI nil deal?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, that's a very complicated thing that we've talked about a bunch. I think I said and I'm going to keep doing this. I want to learn a little bit more about it before I comment. I think whichever one it is, I think it's probably always going to be a combination of a lot of things. But they don't have players for next year and it's a big deal. And so. But as to what I would put the primary blame on, I want to. I should know more about how it works in the next 10 days and I want to know that before I comment. I need to like, follow the advice I gave earlier and learn a little bit more. I mean, there's the KSR website report out there. I think is the report was correct, but I also think it's important. I'm going to try to learn before I take a strong stand. I want to know a little bit more about it but I have thoughts but just give me a little bit.

[Caller]

So my concern is is why are we seem to be getting good football recruits with the same JMI restrictions on football?

[Matt Jones]

Because football and basketball are very different. Because the short answer would be football. We have 16 to 18 million dollars of rev share to give away and the vast majority of our players, the vast majority of our football players can be paid with that. So we don't need to dip into the quote unquote nil pool very much. Our basketball team rev share is between three to four to five million dollars. That's like one and a half. That's like one and ahalf players. So the nil is a huge. It's a much larger percentage of your basketball roster than your football roster. Does that make sense?

[Caller]

Yep. Sure does.

[Matt Jones]

Appreciate the call. So Will Stein can just use the football rev share and get the vast majority of his players, they have to dip into the nil for basketball. And that's why the Nile matters a lot more in basketball.

[Shannon]

Makes sense.

[Matt Jones]

See, again, if I explain it to.

[Shannon]

You, you explain to the common man.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. Thank you very much for coming out. Tomorrow we're at Cornbread Hip in Louisville. We'll see you later. Spin KSR.