2026-01-13- KSR - Hour 1

Summary

Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) – Jan 13, 2026, Hour 1

Host: Matt Jones
Co-hosts/Crew: Shannon, Drew, Ryan Lemond (plus cameos from Ed Helms and Maria Hinojosa in promos)
Theme: Navigating Kentucky Basketball’s Challenges, Sports Media Integrity Debate, and Rivalry Banter with Vince Marrow

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Matt Jones and the KSR crew tackling the tension of covering Kentucky basketball during a downturn, discussing the rules of sports journalism after a viral moment involving a Jacksonville reporter, and breaking down the team’s latest injury setback. Things lighten up with heated discussion about local sports rivalries, culminating in a surprise call-in from Vince Marrow, now coaching at Louisville, for some playful trash talk and candid reflections.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Broadcasting When the Team is Struggling

• Matt describes the particular challenge of hosting Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR) when the Wildcats are underperforming.
• Hardest times to host? Early August (no news) and when basketball is in a slump.
• While losing brings more calls, Matt argues it doesn’t make for easier or better radio.

  "The goal of this show is to entertain... Most people listening don’t want to just hear people complain all the time." (05:36)

• The team debates how to stay lighthearted and fun even in tough times, referencing creative COVID-era promotions (discounts at KSBar equal to the team’s losing margin).

2. Debate: Integrity in Sports Journalism

• The crew digresses into a national debate about an incident where an older female reporter in Jacksonville offered sympathy and soup to Jaguars OC Liam Cohen during a post-game presser.
• Ryan Lemond argues this "compromises journalistic objectivity."

  "She lost all credibility. You’re supposed to be objective in that situation. And she was not..." (11:39)

• Matt disagrees, calling the objectivity argument "bogus," advocating for transparency in media bias:

  “No one is objective. No one is 100[%]... I’d much prefer a journalist tell me their opinion than act like they don’t have one.” (11:48)

• The moment is explored as multi-layered: transparency, gender, old-school versus new-school reporting, and audience expectations.
• Drew and others defend the reporter’s actions as adding humanity, especially in a press conference with little consequence.
• Shannon and Matt joke at Ryan’s expense, calling him out as heartless:

  "Just be mad at Ryan for not having a heart at this poor lady." (16:44)

3. Ask Anything Tuesday & Interacting with Listeners

• With an upcoming game, Matt shifts to "Ask Anything Tuesday" to diversify topics and break out of negativity.
• Listener messages poke fun at past promotions and the occasional negativity on the show.
• The crew revisit the COVID-era discount for losses, defending it as a necessary, morale-boosting measure during tough business times (21:08–22:33).

4. Kentucky Basketball Injury—Jalen Lowe Out for the Season

• Matt and Drew break the news that Jalen Lowe is out for the year due to injury.
• The injury allows Lowe to preserve a redshirt; the crew sees this as the right personal decision, despite the blow to the team's potential.

  “He tried to play. ...But hate to say—it's perfect timing. If you get him back for one more game ... he’d lose his redshirt." (23:35)

• The show discusses the team’s vulnerabilities: a thinned backcourt and pressure on younger players like Jasper Johnson, who might not be ready for the rigors of SEC play.

5. Media Objectivity & Personal Bias

• The media objectivity theme continues, as Matt questions whether Ryan is unbiased about Jasper Johnson:

  "It's better to know your opinion [is] because we know your history and then people can judge." (25:52)

• The crew agree that everyone brings bias and it's best to be honest about it.

6. Rivalry Banter: Vince Marrow vs. Pete Nocta

• Matt details an entertaining squabble between UK’s and UofL’s recruiting coordinators, Vince Marrow and Pete Nocta, over recruiting "ownership" in Ohio.
  • Pete retweets Vince’s old “I own Ohio” boast after UofL gets an Ohio State O-lineman.
  • Vince fires back, calling Pete “Little Pete” and boasting “I’ve been beating the crap out of him for 10 years… the streak will continue." (31:07)
• The crew relishes the “grown men trash talk,” with Matt noting how Vince’s social media presence is both an asset and liability:

  "As a friend, I’m like, Vince, tweet less. But as an entertainer, I want him to tweet more." (36:27)

7. Surprise Call-In: Vince Marrow

• Vince joins live, bringing humor and candor.
• Shares reflections on differences between UK and UofL, admits he genuinely got to know and appreciate people at both places.
• Denies that Kentucky has beaten him out for recruits at Louisville (“Not one…” 46:55), boasts about UofL’s portal rankings.
• Explains he tweets for entertainment and rivalry, not malice:

  “You guys make it more bigger now that I'm at Louisville. But when I was at Kentucky, I did the same thing.” (49:16)

• Matt teases about future UK-UofL games, Vince plays along, promising to own a loss if it happens.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On hosting sports talk during tough times:

"The hardest time to do this show is early August ... The second hardest time ... is when basketball is not doing well."
— Matt Jones, 04:51

On sports journalists and objectivity:

"No one is objective. No one is 100[%]. ... I would much prefer a journalist tell me what their opinion is, then [pretend] they don’t have one."
— Matt Jones, 11:48

On fans and media bias:

"If she is going to write a sympathetic column to Liam Cohen, wouldn’t it be better just [for her] to say it?"
— Matt Jones, 15:48

Vince Marrow vs. Pete Nocta:

"Little Pete finally getting some confidence. I’ve been beating the crap out of him for 10 years. The streak will continue."
— Vince Marrow (31:57)

Candid Vince Marrow:

"It's just like when you don't know people ... and you finally get to know who they are, you’re like, wow, you know what? These people are not really that bad."
— Vince Marrow, on moving from UK to UofL (44:20)

"I really be laughing, to be quite honest."
— Vince Marrow, on Twitter trash talk (49:17)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:40 — Show opens, weather banter, new KSBar winter menu
• 04:50 — Matt on hardest times to do KSR shows
• 06:22–07:44 — How to keep things light during losing seasons
• 09:01 — Debate over Jacksonville reporter’s “sympathetic” question to Liam Cohen
• 11:48 — Matt’s argument that objectivity in journalism is a myth
• 13:08 — Shannon on how hard it is to be dispassionate after tough losses
• 20:27 — Listener texts: Reviewing the COVID "losing = discount" special at KSBar
• 22:34 — Discussion of Jalen Lowe’s season-ending injury and implications
• 31:07–36:27 — Vince Marrow and Pete Nocta "rivalry" Twitter drama
• 42:23 — Vince Marrow surprise call-in; differences between UK and UofL, Twitter habits, and recruiting
• 49:22 — Vince and Matt swap playful predictions and reminisce on friendship

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Listener Takeaways

• KSR’s philosophy: Even during losing years, the show values entertainment, authenticity, and humor over relentless negative analysis.
• Sports media evolution: Traditional journalism’s boundaries are blurring, with more open bias and humanity mixing into sports coverage.
• Rivalry is fun: Local sports rivalries—on-field and behind the scenes among coaches/recruiters—continue to be a source of entertainment and community, especially when stoked by personalities like Vince Marrow.
• Leadership and injuries matter: Jalen Lowe’s injury is a blow, and the team will need to adapt tactics and roles.
• Vince Marrow remains a charismatic character: Whether deadpanning to the KSR crew or trading online barbs, he knows how to keep Kentucky sports fun.

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This summary covers the full content portion of KSR Hour 1 (Jan 13, 2026), omitting podcast promos, advertisements, and non-content intervals.

Transcript

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[Shannon]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Maria Hinojosa]

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[Shannon]

We were in the car like a Rolling stone came on and he said, there's a line in there about your mother.

[Matt Jones]

And I said, what? What I would do if I didn't feel like I was being accepted is choose an identity that other people can't have. I knew something had happened to me in the middle of the night, but I couldn't hold on to what had happened. These are just a few of the.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Moving and important stories on my 13th.

[Matt Jones]

Season of family Secrets.

[Maria Hinojosa]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Ed Helms]

This is Kentucky Sports Radio, presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now, here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome, everyone. Kentucky Sports Radio. Tuesday, January 13th. I am Matt Jones here in Lexington, Kentucky. You can give us a shout on the Clark's puppet shop phone line. 859-280-2287. Avision Auto Glass Text Machine, 772-774-5254. In this edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. If you call TJL, make them pay. We're in studio KSBAR debuting its new winter menu starting today.

[Shannon]

Does that mean the chili's coming back?

[Matt Jones]

I see. It is.

[Shannon]

I know.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon]

Chili.

[Matt Jones]

And there's like a new queso burger. Queso burger. I'm going to try that this week because the burger is good and I like queso. It's a good combination, is, you know, you, when you go to Chipotle, tell them you don't want queso. They give them, they, they look sad. They give you a thing like, why wouldn't you want queso?

[Drew]

They're just holding the ladle looking at you like, you don't want this.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I'm, I'm getting to the point that the people at the restaurants I, I have good conversations with today was coming here, went through the McDonald's drive through to get my diet coke. Guy just looked at me and said something no one's ever said to me. He goes, you look like you have an important job. Oh, wow. Which I thought was very nice. I said, I don't. But he was. And I said, why do you say that? And he goes, well, your car. And he was like, you have a professional jacket on.

[Shannon]

You are kind of dressed up a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

It's still a hoodie, though. Yeah, it's just one that's not as loose. So it doesn't look like that's kind.

[Shannon]

Of the thing now, the hoodie and the sport coat for his sports guy.

[Matt Jones]

Dan or this isn't a sports coat. This is just a jack.

[Shannon]

Nice little coat.

[Matt Jones]

Cold. It's supposed to get really cold.

[Shannon]

Yes, it is.

[Matt Jones]

It's supposed to be like 12 this week.

[Shannon]

Saturday. Saturday. The lowest 10.

[Matt Jones]

Lowest 10.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Well, look, we play a road game or no. Yeah.

[Drew]

Big road swing.

[Matt Jones]

So. Yeah. All right. 859-280-2287. I I since we play tomorrow, I think I'm gonna do an ask anything Tuesday today. And, and so this is part of a general thought process. I had this really more last week before we beat Mississippi State. I think the hardest time to do this show, I've always said the hardest time to do this show is early August because people want to talk about football but there's nothing to say.

[Shannon]

True.

[Matt Jones]

I genuinely like if you're ranking hardest times to do KSR early August is the hardest, the second hardest time and thankfully we haven't had a lot of these times over the years is when basketball is not doing well. There is this thought I think sometimes in the audience that, you know, radio shows want Kentucky or want their teams to do not do well because you get more calls. Now it is the case you do get more calls when you're losing, especially.

[Shannon]

On your post game show.

[Matt Jones]

You do get more calls with losing but to me it doesn't make an easier show because the goal of this show is to entertain.

[Shannon]

True.

[Matt Jones]

I do not believe this show is at its best when people are yelling. I think that's a common misconception. I think most of the people listening here do not want to just hear people complain all the time. I don't. I also think we have an audience that's about 50% casual sports fans. They like it, but they're not like it's not doesn't run their life. They definitely don't want to hear people complain. So when things are bad, you don't want to just sit and be negative at the same time. If your topic is Kentucky basketball and things are negative, what are you supposed to do? So I've always found those times hard. How do you keep things light hearted, Drew, while also still acknowledging when things aren't going well. Right.

[Drew]

Yeah. And our, our mood just as fans changes with the team and it's so much more fun when it's rolling to just be, look at this dunk. Look how good this person is.

[Matt Jones]

And I think people have forgotten because we've had like six years where the basketball team hasn't been great. What it was like the 10 years before where like every time we were just coming in here and talking trash about how awesome we were, etc. And then that led has led occasionally to a narrative of all the KSR guys are so negative. Well, I mean what do you, you know, what do you want? So. So I was thinking going to the Mississippi State game, if we lose this game, I can't do two months of a show of everybody just being miserable.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So what are we going to do? And I was trying to think, okay, how do we, how do we handle this? During COVID you remember, we just tried to laugh about how bad we were.

[Shannon]

True.

[Matt Jones]

And still get criticism about like we did food specials where I would give you how many points we lost off of the restaurant.

[Shannon]

I forgot about that.

[Matt Jones]

Actually thought Shannon was a pretty good deal.

[Ed Helms]

Yeah. I mean, it worked out well for everybody. You saved a lot of money.

[Matt Jones]

It made people so mad. But, like, we were about to close the restaurant because people were not eating.

[Drew]

Out out, especially for a Kentucky game.

[Matt Jones]

Which is when we. No one was coming out and risking getting Covid to watch us lose to Missouri.

[Ed Helms]

Would you.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. So I was like, okay, well, if we're going to lose anyway, however much we lose by you get that off your bill. And that made people really mad.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And I was like, what do you want me to do? Close it? Would that make you happier? So, you know, so that's always a fight. So today we're going to have to talk about there is a little bad news.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

But I want it to be an ask anything Tuesday, because I'd like to do more than just go. Okay.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

One of the things I'm going to do is talk about you.

[Shannon]

Me?

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Shannon]

You're looking at me.

[Matt Jones]

You looking at me. I feel like I'm looking right at.

[Shannon]

Him talking to me.

[Matt Jones]

You took a position yesterday that has put you distinctly in the crank class. Absolutely. Your position about the reporter in Jacksonville. I went to eat. I went to eat at a restaurant last night. I did something I never do. They undercooked the food. I'm not gonna say which one. I had to send it back. And the people were very sorry. They were very nice. And in trying to be sorry, I think they were trying to figure out how to make it up to me. Shannon. And they were just like, man, Ryan was a jerk.

[Drew]

Taking the heat off.

[Ed Helms]

That was deflect and go to Ryan.

[Matt Jones]

Ryan was really a jerk. And it was about the reporter in Jacksonville.

[Vince Mero]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

That sweet little lady.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Who said to Liam Cohen, can I make you some soup?

[Shannon]

Keep your head up, young man.

[Matt Jones]

I hope things are okay. And you were angry. Turtle. This guy. This has now become a national debate, not just about you, but in general.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

There are people. The general public is clearly on this lady side.

[Shannon]

Clearly 100%.

[Matt Jones]

But journalists are universally on your side.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Which, of course, I think is highlighting why people hate journalists.

[Shannon]

Good point.

[Matt Jones]

So now you've had 24 hours.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

You've now seen the lady.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

She was on tv.

[Shannon]

She was.

[Matt Jones]

She looked sweet. Right. She looked like she would cook you something for homecoming.

[Drew]

Lynn. What a sweet name.

[Matt Jones]

Her name is Lynn. Have you ever known a Lynn? You didn't like Shannon.

[Drew]

No.

[Ed Helms]

And I bet she wouldn't undercook your food.

[Matt Jones]

Well, actually, Lynn Martin at the other radio station. He told me I could. I would never be able to be on the radio.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Shannon]

Missed on that one, didn't he?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he's a fine guy, but he's a negative, Lynn. But you've had 24 hours. Have you changed your mind? Especially since the lady has also said that she's following in the tradition of black newspapers that go back to the Civil War. Yes. So now that she said that, it's.

[Ed Helms]

Not aging well for you right now.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I know.

[Matt Jones]

Are you going to. Is there any part of you that wants to say no or are you standing firm in journal? You've had journalists write you and take up.

[Shannon]

Yes, I have. I saw the video clip where she was sitting on the news desk and she looks like the sweetest, nicest grandma. And she talks about the history of her job. Right. For this black newspaper. She said she was always goes to the press box. But she was kind of talked into going to the news. Like, I got the feeling like this is her first time. She's been to like a post game news conference.

[Matt Jones]

Even worse, Shannon, this lady has never gone to the news conference. And maybe part of the reason is angry old white man Ryan gets angry at traditional journalist. Traditional journalist with his little. His little piece of paper sticking out of his hat. Says press.

[Drew]

We've been the first timers, Matt. They're not invited.

[Shannon]

It's hard.

[Matt Jones]

What are you doing? At you. And they stare at you. That's right. And they're like, get out of here, stinky. So now do you feel worse?

[Shannon]

I remember your first one down at Tubby. And I'm like, who's this guy that you start asking really good, legitimate questions. You didn't say Tubby. Keep your head up. Keep, keep, keep your head up, young man.

[Matt Jones]

But I would have he thought about it. I thought about it.

[Shannon]

So yeah, I did get some other journalists who said they. She lost all credibility. You're supposed to be objective in that situation. And she was not and didn't have any credibility.

[Matt Jones]

Know that. I think that's bogus.

[Shannon]

It is.

[Matt Jones]

Because no one is objective.

[Shannon]

Not anymore.

[Matt Jones]

No, not ever. No one is 100. Everyone has opinions and people's opinions come out in their writing. I would much prefer a journalist tell me what their opinion is, then act like to me they don't have an opinion. I can then ju. Like people will write me and go, this happens a lot, Matt. You're biased about politics. And my answer is always the same. So are you right I'm just acknowledging it. You know where I'm coming from. And you can agree or disagree, but at least you know where I'm coming from. I think it's much worse to have someone who acts objective and is not. So if this woman genuinely felt sorry for Liam Cohen, would you rather have said nothing but, I mean, still felt sorry for him? And it came through in the writing. You feel sorry for people. You take up for people.

[Shannon]

Some of the hardest parts of this job, when you go into a locker room and the dudes are crying, it's a hard job.

[Matt Jones]

You can't act like your personal feelings don't affect what you say. Like, your personal feelings towards Dane Key would of course affect how you would cover him. So why not just acknowledge that? And then people can you do on this radio show. Why can't she acknowledge she felt sorry for Liam Cohen?

[Shannon]

I think she has the absolute right to do it. I just don't know if that was the right moment. In a post game, you do it pre game. You do it the practice, post game news conference. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

You don't like that she did it in public?

[Shannon]

Probably. And here's another thing. I think if it was a guy, I think the fact she's a female, she gets, I think, a lot of more support. I think it was a guy that did it. Yeah. I think people are like, that's a grandma. She's a sweet old lady. She can say that. If a guy said that, I wonder.

[Matt Jones]

Now he's playing the reverse discrimination. Poor white male just gets taken down by society. Shannon, I think he just keeps digging.

[Ed Helms]

Ryan, can we acknowledge that this is just a bad take? You keep your head up, young man. You're gonna be good.

[Matt Jones]

You're gonna be okay.

[Ed Helms]

You got a bright future in radio. You keep going.

[Shannon]

And I saw the video where Liam Cohen's, like, biting his lip, kind of fighting back tears.

[Matt Jones]

Even nicer. Yeah, Liam needed that in that moment.

[Drew]

I just don't understand what people wanted to fill that 15 seconds it took for her to say that. It did not take anyone's time. I see people saying we're on deadlines.

[Matt Jones]

Get not saying people saying reporters. They say that press conference people are.

[Drew]

Urging because they have deadlines that her comment. Her comment did not set anyone back. Also, it's 2026. Those newspaper deadlines are dated in themselves anyway. But everyone just needs to get over them.

[Matt Jones]

Of press conference. I'm the guy that asked what they.

[Drew]

Had for breakfast that morning. When I'm doing. I would Ask the Lynn question anyway and it's much more entertaining. And no journalist was hurt by that comment but you.

[Matt Jones]

It is odd to me that you, who I would argue has maybe the biggest heart of. Of anyone certainly on this show, but maybe of anyone. I know how you would be. Mr. Anger especially, I mean, like, would you. Would you say to that woman's face that she was wrong or would you crawl under the table and give her a hug and say, keep your head up.

[Shannon]

I would knock you guys over to crawl under the table. I'm not good. And she looked like once you see her and she's just so sweet.

[Matt Jones]

It made me so you did you have regrets when you saw the interview? No doubt you're sticking to the position.

[Shannon]

I think the. The integrity of the postgame news conference.

[Matt Jones]

Integrity?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Drew]

You hear some of these questions ask.

[Matt Jones]

These are already a joke. Are you really using the phrase integrity of the post game news conference?

[Drew]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

It's got to be credible and you have to be objective. And I just don't think that was the right moment. I don't have.

[Matt Jones]

Do you agree that everyone has buys?

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And do you agree that people who act like they don't are full of. Sure. Right.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

If she is going to write a sympathetic column to Liam Cohen, wouldn't it be better just to say it?

[Shannon]

What quote did she get from Lian Cone? He's biting his lip and said thank you. Thank you.

[Drew]

He said thank you. She can put that at the end.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

He thanked me.

[Shannon]

Thank you.

[Matt Jones]

And it can end. Thank you.

[Drew]

It's not her job to make up the quotes. She just writes down what he said.

[Ed Helms]

She's the only one that got thanked. Out of everybody there.

[Matt Jones]

I bet she's also the only one that got on television nationally.

[Drew]

Name one thing that came out of that press conference.

[Matt Jones]

True. We now know and you never would have known. We learn more about Liam.

[Shannon]

Absolutely.

[Matt Jones]

We know he has emotion.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

We know he.

[Drew]

You know the people complaining can't name one thing from a Jacksonville press conference all year. They just want to care in this moment.

[Matt Jones]

So I just was thinking rather than be depressed about the state of UK basketball, Shannon, just be mad at Ryan. Yeah.

[Ed Helms]

Everybody direct your angry today.

[Matt Jones]

Just be mad at Ryan.

[Ed Helms]

I like that idea.

[Matt Jones]

For not having a heart. Yeah. At this poor lady.

[Shannon]

I do appreciate her and like her. I just don't think that was the right moment for that after an NFL.

[Matt Jones]

Loss in a playoff game. You're going to have to tell Lynn. 8592802287 it is ask Anything Tuesday. We obviously have some basketball news that is not positive, which we will discuss. And we will take the calls of the folks on here, Matt, Drew Shannon, and heartless Ryan Lemon.

[Josh Zieman]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Maria Hinojosa]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Matt Jones]

And I'm Kal Penn, and we are the hosts of Earsay, the Audible, and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am talking to film And TV critic, radio.

[Ed Helms]

And podcast host and Harry Potter superfan.

[Matt Jones]

Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast.

[Ed Helms]

Adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.

[Matt Jones]

What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most? I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and. And I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands. You have the crowd sounds like all around you. It is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones. Listen to Hearsay, the Audible and iHeart.

[Ed Helms]

Audio Book Club on the iHeartradio app.

[Matt Jones]

Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back, Techie Sports Radio. Shannon, one person. The text machines lit up today.

[Ed Helms]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Matt Jones]

One person writes, we had Dark Pope after the technical. Now Maga Lemon.

[Ed Helms]

Ryan's the guy that has.

[Matt Jones]

I agree. Of all the people, him being the one to have the tape, but he is the one that considers himself a journalist. I don't know that any of the rest of us would consider ourselves journalists in that regard. I consider myself like an opinion person. Shannon probably doesn't even have it like Drew. What would you consider yourself?

[Drew]

I don't know. I'd paint my face at the press conference if they.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you're a fan.

[Drew]

I run a fan site.

[Ed Helms]

Yeah. I don't even like saying I'm part of the media. Cause I don't want to lump myself in with media.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but you are.

[Drew]

You're literally doing media right now by default.

[Ed Helms]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. One person writes. Matt, I hated when you ran the special where you got money off for losing, but now that I think about it, in hindsight, it was probably the right thing to do. See, at the time, we took a lot of heat for that. But I would ask people, put yourself in that. In your shoes. We have. It's after Covid. This is the time we need people to come in. People are hesitant to come in and eat restaurant. Think about all the restaurants around the state that closed. The one thing we have going for us is games. And then we're losing the games. So, like. So you sit there and go, okay, well, if we do this special, if we win, everybody's going to be happy because we won. If we lose, then they get happy.

[Shannon]

Because you save some money.

[Matt Jones]

It's like people who bet against their team to hedge their emotions. Shannon, right? Yeah.

[Ed Helms]

You're hedging your bets. I. I would. That was a great promotion. I don't care what anybody says.

[Drew]

That was a great.

[Matt Jones]

I Kind of agree with you. But, like, people don't look at nuance. They just get. They. They just. Everything has to be black and white and not to do it on something serious. But like we talked about what happened in Minnesota. To me, there's nuance in that. And people just take the nuance and just get of nuance and just yell at each other. And, you know, I think there's nuance with that woman. I mean, I guess you could say it's not a journalistic question, but also, you know, she's trying to be nice and you should want that.

[Shannon]

R wasn't even a question. She didn't.

[Matt Jones]

You're not a question. Okay. So Jaylen Low out for the year. We kind of saw this coming. I'm bummed. My favorite player on the team. I think, you know, the upside of the team is limited without him. It was maybe limited with him, but it's certainly limited without him. So I'm bummed, but probably drew the right decision.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And it's. It's almost like I was prepared. Prepared for it the first time. I honestly didn't expect him to give it a try. So it's like in my brain, we got a bonus four or five games out of him just the moment he initially injured it. I was prepared for the season to kind of go this way whenever it would actually happen. And now that he can still maybe preserve a year with a red shirt kind of on the border there and just look at the direction of the season, it's the right move for him. Feel bad for him and, you know, just another problem Kentucky's got to address here in sec.

[Matt Jones]

I think that's the key. If he played one more game, Ryan, he loses his red shirt. Now he has a chance if he wants to play two more college seasons. If he played one more game, that wouldn't be the case.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

So knowing that and knowing that he might get hurt in one more game, I think it makes completely rational sense for him to do.

[Shannon]

I give this kid a lot of respect, man. He could have just tapped out in October when it first happened, but he tried to play. He wanted to play. Fought through a lot of pain to get back on the court. But yeah, this. Hate to say it's bad timing, but it's perfect timing the most if you get him back for one more game in middle school.

[Matt Jones]

One more game and he couldn't play.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Now, I mean, do we think he'll play here?

[Shannon]

It depends on. See who Pope else brings in as a point.

[Matt Jones]

I think it'll be a. From what I've heard he'd like to. I think it'll be kind of a Pope and you know, I hope he does. I think he's good and I think he can be really good for Kentucky.

[Shannon]

Sure.

[Matt Jones]

I also think now without him, the team has to play differently and maybe that'll, maybe they'll find some success with it. They cannot play a style that maybe they shouldn't have been playing to begin with. But that sort of isolation, you know, they're going to have to go back to what Pope does because they have no chance of winning. What worries me is teams are going to start picking us up right as soon as we cross half court because we don't have a point guard. So like they're going to, they're going to. Defenses are going to pressure us and we're going to have to find a way to, to, to handle it.

[Drew]

And my biggest concern was since Jasper Johnson committed, I worried about him as a freshman in SEC play and it's almost like he didn't get the buildup in the non conference to get ready. He didn't get many minutes and now it's like, all right, here's the SEC and I just don't know that he's ready for that grind especially with the physicality and having to play defense and he didn't get the, the practice against the 300th ranked team that he needed.

[Matt Jones]

Which gets me to a question. Does Ryan think he's unbiased when it comes to Jasper Johnson?

[Shannon]

I've said Jasper shoot some bad shots one every once in a while.

[Matt Jones]

I mean are you unbiased in your opinion that he should play?

[Shannon]

I wanted to convinced he should be playing more.

[Matt Jones]

But is that unbiased or is it because you've known him his whole life?

[Shannon]

I'm sure it plays into it that I've known him since he was a little kid but I just. You look at the. They tried the Colin Chandler experiment at point guard. Didn't work. Denzel Aberdeen doesn't really work. Jasper's your guy. Jasper still. I think he's second on the team in three point percentage. People think he's a bad shooter. He's second on the team and three point percentage. He's like one of the best assisted turnover ratio we got.

[Matt Jones]

I completely agree with you but I think that opinion. It's better to know that your opinion because we know your history and then people can judge.

[Shannon]

Sure.

[Matt Jones]

That's, that's, that is my only point. And I think you should get Lynn, a sissy cake. By the way, I've been eating those orange juice cakes.

[Drew]

Oh, they're great.

[Matt Jones]

They're so good.

[Shannon]

Did you take the whole box that you brought?

[Matt Jones]

Don't say whole box. You ate an entire box yourself.

[Shannon]

I did not. Not true. We saved you some blueberry. Big blueberry bread. They sent some big blueberry bread. I saved you.

[Matt Jones]

Actually, what I did is I saved you.

[Drew]

Thank you. I'm learning all this right now.

[Matt Jones]

I have a cake for you.

[Drew]

Thank you.

[Matt Jones]

They gave us two boxes.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Ryan ate one entire box.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

He was hungry in one night, brought it to us, and I've got one for you.

[Drew]

Thank you.

[Matt Jones]

But they're very, very good. Joey. Go ahead, Joe.

[Spencer Graves]

Yeah, guys, I was calling in about.

[Vince Mero]

The recruiting on Pope's end. Like, if JMI is so bad, how is Will Stein getting all these?

[Matt Jones]

I feel like I've answered. Joey, I feel like I've answered this question probably 30 times. I'm. I'm glad to answer it again, but I've answered the difference between football and basketball. 30. Very simple. Whether. And I don't know if the JMI thing is going to affect Pope or if it's Pope's fault. We'll still. We'll see. But football is different because football can sign almost all of their players with Rev Share because they get $17 million of rev share. Basketball's getting, like, 4. So for basketball to get a team that's going to cost them $15 million, they have to have a lot of nil, which is where the JMI thing comes in. For football, they're able to sign almost their entire roster, except maybe one or two guys just with the Rev Share. So because of that, our ability to get a lot of nil or not doesn't really matter because football has so much more money to give on Rev Share. Does that make sense?

[Vince Mero]

Yeah, I got you.

[Matt Jones]

I appreciate. I appreciate the call. I'm not saying that, like, anybody's to blame for basketball except Pope, but they are two completely different situations, and people just need to know that when they're evaluating it. We'll take a break and be right back. Ksr TJ Smith, personal injury attorney.

[Shannon]

Call tj.

[Matt Jones]

He'll make him pay.

[Ed Helms]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. Techie Sports Radio. 859-280-2287. What person writes Matt on Ask Anything Wednesday? Go on record without low. Do we make the nc all four of you? Shannon?

[Ed Helms]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Ryan, no. What has happened to you?

[Ed Helms]

Yeah. Who are you? Negativity.

[Drew]

I'll say they sneak in.

[Matt Jones]

I'm saying yes. So once again, you're. What has happened to. You are always Mr. Positive.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Why? What.

[Matt Jones]

What has happened? Did. Did something happen over new year's?

[Shannon]

I think I just. I don't like this team. I just don't think we're very good.

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Shannon]

I don't. I don't.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, now that's even worse.

[Ed Helms]

He doesn't even like the team.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you've gone from, okay, they may not make the tournament to you don't like the team. How do you.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Who.

[Josh Zieman]

What.

[Matt Jones]

What don't you like? You like Jasper?

[Shannon]

I like Jasper.

[Matt Jones]

Like Malachi. You like Noah?

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Like Chandler? Like away.

[Drew]

You watched two of the players grow up.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. What. What don't you like?

[Shannon]

I just don't think.

[Matt Jones]

You don't like Mark Pope, the guy I used to do television with. I think, Marco, you, shirt on under your pullover.

[Shannon]

I just don't think this team is constructed very well. And I just don't like the way they play. I just.

[Matt Jones]

See, I'm never going to say I don't like a team. I mean, my least favorite Kentucky team to watch was probably the Covid team. But I had a lot of sympathy for BJ Boston, and I liked Davion Mintz. He was on that team. Right.

[Drew]

We were all going through it, too, you know, separate life and basketball that year.

[Matt Jones]

But even then, I wouldn't have said I don't like the team.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I'm not fond of them.

[Drew]

He's definitely traveling down PR coaching during the break.

[Matt Jones]

This is really an unbelievable. An unbelievable stretch that of Ryan Lemondi. What do you think about Vince? And Pete knocked him.

[Drew]

I love it.

[Matt Jones]

I love everything what happened. Pete knocked him. We get a commitment from an offensive lineman at Ohio State. Pete Nocta digs up. Now, for people who don't know Pete Nocta is essentially what Vince was. Although Vince was also the tight end coach.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Drew]

And he was there, though, almost the whole time Vince was here. I mean, he was at Louisville a long time.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. So. So Nocta was at Louisville when Vince was here. And then they worked together for a year at Louisville this year. But for a lot of the time Vince was here, Nocta was at Louisville. Nocta goes and digs up an old Vince quote where he said, basically, I own Ohio. And he just retweets it. No comment. Just retweets it. Couple years old. Couple years old.

[Drew]

Which means he was sitting on that one.

[Matt Jones]

I think he was. You Think that was a good move. By noct.

[Drew]

I loved it. Just a simple retweet. He didn't say anything. He might have even accidentally hit the retweet button.

[Matt Jones]

You think he accidentally retweeted the, uh. Okay, so then he responds, Vince responds. And what does he say? No, I. I re. I write. Pete knocked with a little trash talk, Shannon. Vince responds. Lol. This is so funny. Little Pete finally getting some confidence. I've been beating the crap out of him for 10 years. The streak will continue coming from the top ropes. Little Pete. Little Pete, Pete, Little Pete. I mean, this is a guy that. They work together. Little Pete.

[Shannon]

And Pete's like 6, 5. He's a big man.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I was. So then I tried to keep it light hearted, Shannon. I felt like I needed to make it light hearted, so I wrote, let's keep it all in good fun, my friend. We hardly know what will happen every.

[Ed Helms]

Day because they just lost.

[Matt Jones]

Hardly.

[Maria Hinojosa]

Gil.

[Shannon]

Great life. Great line.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think he got what I said.

[Ed Helms]

Did not.

[Shannon]

Didn't.

[Matt Jones]

He did not. So then I tried to make it easier. I retweeted and said, come on, we're both grown G R O a n men here.

[Ed Helms]

Nobody understood that one either.

[Shannon]

We all laughed, but I don't think he got it.

[Matt Jones]

I thought. Listen, I thought both of those were good. I thought that would diffuse the situation. Well, it didn't. Last night he wrote out of nowhere. Vince writes, some people have to suck up so they can keep their job. Lol. You better stay in your place. Booking hotels and restaurants.

[Ed Helms]

Who's that?

[Matt Jones]

That's Tenocta.

[Ed Helms]

Oh, to Nocta.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, that's one of the things. Not implying that he would book the hotels.

[Ed Helms]

Wow, man, these are some strong words.

[Matt Jones]

These are very strong words. And. Oh, did he just delete this? Oh, he just deleted this. Pete had responded, and I think he just deleted it literally. Like, I saw it seconds ago, and he responded and now it's gone. Well, I can't read the quote because he literally deleted it. But Nocta wrote something like, the insecurity is insane in this man. But he has now deleted it.

[Shannon]

1. If he was told to delete it right now, I'm.

[Matt Jones]

I saw it when I started this segment. Why did I not screenshot it? Because I think it's gone now.

[Drew]

Well, Vince is online because he's currently, as of 1 minute ago, writing LOL to random accounts.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I think he was responding to.

[Ed Helms]

He'll respond to anybody, even parody accounts.

[Matt Jones]

He responds to everything. I Love game.

[Drew]

He'll respond.

[Matt Jones]

Excuse me. Sorry. Let me be clear. Not nakta. It was a burner account that wrote it.

[Shannon]

Sorry.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. I want to be clear. It was not nocta. I guess I got the name wrong. So a burner account writes, the insecurity is unmatched and marrow responds to him.

[Drew]

That's the LOL he just did.

[Matt Jones]

That's the LOL he did.

[Drew]

We were talking on cover zero just this week about coaches rarely name another coach. This is full on little people who.

[Matt Jones]

Trust with each other. They called him little Pete.

[Shannon]

I love the fact we've got this little back and forth going. Louisville.

[Matt Jones]

But now this seems like people who don't. Who genuinely don't like.

[Shannon]

That's getting personal.

[Drew]

Yeah, Well, I mean, not knowing any detail about their relationship, it'd be very easy to think they don't like each other. Recruited against each other for a long.

[Matt Jones]

Time together for one year.

[Drew]

And then Pete got right out, didn't he? You know.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, that's true. He did get right out.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Shane, what do you think? Do you like it?

[Ed Helms]

Oh, I love it. I love the trash talk. You know, anytime you get a chance to do that. Vince. Maya was going to do it, but, you know, he. Again, he will tweet anybody. It doesn't matter who it is. It could clearly be a burner account. He doesn't care. He's still going to.

[Matt Jones]

He really does it. Do you think if you were Jeff Brahm, you would say, all right, Vince, you got. Dude, you got to stop?

[Ed Helms]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think you would do that?

[Ed Helms]

I probably would. I don't think it's a great look, but it is entertaining, I would say.

[Drew]

Vince, have you seen their class? And have you seen our class? Let's dial it back until we're on the same playing field.

[Shannon]

I think you want him to have that chip on his shoulder, but that's not a good look when you're treating.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, he's runner accounts. I mean, he literally, like, responds to big Blue Casey.

[Drew]

Well, one thing Vince is doing that I don't think he's considering. Some people still kept a love for Vince when he left. He's managed to continue to burn bridges with a lot of this.

[Matt Jones]

That is true.

[Drew]

I know people who are like, I still liked Vince, but now I am. It's getting. Getting too old.

[Matt Jones]

Well, because he could have.

[Drew]

Could have maintained some Lexington, but the more he does this Lexington is what he had left is, I think, is turning on him.

[Matt Jones]

It's fascinating. The personal dynamics of the former UK and former UofL staff because there's a lot of like incest there.

[Shannon]

Huh?

[Matt Jones]

There is. And they know each other and you know, when I was out Friday night in Louisville, saw some of the current U of L staff and they have thoughts on it and it's just fascinating to see. It's just fascinating. I like it. Vince is my friend. I would say like half as many tweets but as an entertainer I'm like, tweet more.

[Drew]

This is what makes sports fun.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. As a friend, I'm like, Vince, tweet less. But as an entertainer, I want him to tweet more.

[Shannon]

As fans, we like it. Do you like it as if you're the coach?

[Matt Jones]

If you're. I wouldn't like it as a coach, but at the same time, I think coaches generally are boring. So, you know, and if he didn't.

[Drew]

Stop him from tweeting hello, Nick Roush during the game.

[Matt Jones]

I mean he tweeted during the game.

[Drew]

There was ever a time for them.

[Matt Jones]

To take during the game randomly just tweeted hello Nick Roush.

[Drew]

I did like rouse tweeted hello, Vince Merrow. Yesterday when.

[Matt Jones]

When they got the stein and knocked the landed some radio. Ron, go ahead, sir.

[Vince Mero]

Good morning, Matt. How are you?

[Matt Jones]

Good. What's up?

[Vince Mero]

Well, I wanted to tell you that I just finished running my 6th 5k for 2025 at Stanford. The jingle bell job. And guess what?

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Vince Mero]

They. They established a brand new age category I think just for me from 90 to 99.

[Matt Jones]

And did you win?

[Spencer Graves]

I won.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Vince Mero]

I won at night and I'm looking forward to running another 6.5ks in 2026.

[Matt Jones]

Well, congratulations. 92 years old. Six 5ks in a year is pretty amazing and it's good to hear from you and keep on establishing new age groups so that you can't. So that no one can compete.

[Vince Mero]

I have one more quick thing and that is I was ecstatic. I was giddy when I learned that the Rupp's once were going to be recognized at halftime over the weekend because.

[Spencer Graves]

I interviewed Adolph Rupp and I found.

[Vince Mero]

The team, I found the tape and I would like to send it to.

[Spencer Graves]

You and all the gang.

[Vince Mero]

So you can please.

[Matt Jones]

Do you know how to get in touch with me? Yeah, please do. I would love. I would love to hear that, Ron. I appreciate the call. Thank you. Go ahead and send that to me. I would love to. I think that would be cool to. To listen to the reality in Kentucky right now. If people can't afford child care or place to live and the only way to fix that is to fix childcare and housing. Those aren't political points. It's a workforce problem. When workers can't afford housing, they company struggle to hire. So go to the Kentucky chamber. Opportunity starts here.com to place your voice about the need for more housing in Kentucky. It's opportunity starts here. You think you can run at 92?

[Shannon]

I can't run it. I won't be able to run at 62. Yeah, that's amazing. It really is amazing.

[Matt Jones]

You know, I love that he creates his own ones, but it is amazing that he does it. We'll take a break. Be right backs ksr A decade ago.

[Josh Zieman]

I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught, the answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zieman, and this is Monster Hunting the Long Island Serial Killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York since the Son of Sam. Available now listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Jones]

Lines and tines with Spencer graves. On the iHeartRadio app is a podcast designed for hunters and fishermen to enjoy success.

[Spencer Graves]

I like the idea of like, hey, put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I love patterning the deer. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what stand.

[Matt Jones]

I need to be in.

[Spencer Graves]

And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most sad, satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're gonna win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle. I love it.

[Matt Jones]

Listen to lines and tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app. After Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Maria Hinojosa]

I'm Maria Hinojosa, host of Latino usa. Venezuelans around the world are celebrating the takedown of former President Maduro. But inside the country, there is fear and silence. And in the United States. People are concerned about Donald Trump's rogue tactics. Listen to Latino usa, the fall of Maduro, and the rise of an unconstrained Trump. That's on your iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ed Helms]

Hey, everyone, it's Ed Helms and I'm.

[Matt Jones]

Kal Penn and we are the hosts of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am talking to film and TV critic, radio.

[Ed Helms]

And podcast host and Harry Potter super.

[Matt Jones]

Fan Rhianna Dillon to discuss Audible's full cast adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. What moments in this audiobook capture the feeling of the magical world best for you or just stood out the most? I always loved reading about the Quidditch matches and I think the audio really gets it because it just plunges you right into the stands. You have the crowd sounds like all around you is surround sound, especially if you're listening in headphones. Listen to Hearsay, the Audible, and iHeart.

[Ed Helms]

Audio Book Club on the iHeartradio app.

[Matt Jones]

Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back, Techie Sports Radio. Surprise guest on the show. Yeah, we just called him up, said, will you come on? He says, yes. Vince Mero from the University of Louisville. Vince, where you been.

[Vince Mero]

Man? I just been. Been working, working at, you know, just recruiting and all that stuff. Just trying to get our roster before we start.

[Matt Jones]

Can I just. Will you just admit you miss us? Just admit it. It's okay. Will you just admit you miss us?

[Vince Mero]

Well, yeah, people, you know, good people there, always, always will have a special place in my heart for them people. So. Yep. But I don't miss y'. All.

[Matt Jones]

You don't miss us? To be fair. To be fair, you do tweet about Kentucky quite a bit.

[Vince Mero]

Yeah, well, I think I respond in all fun and games, just, you know, just keeping the rival a little fun. That's all.

[Matt Jones]

It certainly, it certainly is fun. Now, I want to ask you a question about, since we haven't talked to you in a while, you. What are the big, biggest difference between being Louisville and Kentucky? You've been at both. You probably have as much experience with both as possible. By the way, Ryan's already under the table.

[Vince Mero]

You know, Louisville, it's a bigger city, a lot more, you know, things to do there. But I mean, people are the same. You got good people in Louisville, you got good people in Lexington. It's just been when you was at one place for a long time and you kind of like, you know, did not, you know, like, that place, you know, when you were. When you were at a school for a long time, and did you go there and you say, wow, I was. I was deceived about this place. This is really a good place.

[Matt Jones]

So you. You. So those years you were throwing Ls down and all that, you. Now, you didn't mean it.

[Vince Mero]

Hey, but when I was. When I was at Kentucky, I meant. It's just like when you don't know people and you get to know them and then you finally get to know who they are, they wow, you know what? These people are not really that bad. And it's good people.

[Matt Jones]

All right, now, Vince, you know I love you. Did you really tweet at Nick Roush during the game?

[Vince Mero]

Nah. What I did was, you know, you know, all you got, you experts over there, y' all picked us to lose by 14 or 17 points. So, you know, once we had the game in hand, I couldn't help it.

[Matt Jones]

But you were on the sidelines. It was during the game, Vince.

[Vince Mero]

Yeah, I was. Yeah. As you know, we had the game. You know, the game was. You know, it was. It was a. It was a strange situation because that was the first time I seen them guys in person. You know, even the players, some of the coaches. I got a early sense of it when they played basketball, and it was kind of strange, but. But it was really strange.

[Matt Jones]

Well, let me ask you that. When you see those guys, I mean, now, of course, Mark's not the coach here, but, like, what is the relationship with that, with those former Kentucky coaches after you left and went to Louisville?

[Vince Mero]

Believe it or not, we were still. You can say it down. They all gone. But we were still close. Talked to a lot of them, talked to Brad, talked to Collins, you know, a lot of them guys, Bush, I mean, just, you know, I was very hopeful that they got landed somewhere. When I seen majority of them landed somewhere, I was very happy for their families because, you know, them guys have families and, you know, being on the other side when we beat them, I was like, man, did we, you know, did we have something to do with this? So I prayed and hopefully they got jobs.

[Matt Jones]

So now a new staff and you're. You're kind of trash talking with the new staff. I mean, what's it like when this Kentucky staff beat you for recruits, Vince? Is it hard since you were here.

[Vince Mero]

Who they beat us on?

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I don't want to recite. There's some facts out there. I mean, there are players, you know.

[Vince Mero]

How long you how long you been knowing me, Matt?

[Matt Jones]

I've been. I've known you for a long time.

[Vince Mero]

Yes. And all you guys in there, you know, my guys. But I'm saying, who do they beat us on?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, I. I don't think it's good to. But I. I think it's fair to say, Vince, that some of the guys Kentucky's gotten. You were trying to get. Isn't that fair?

[Vince Mero]

No, not one. I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying to think We. We were battling for one guy right now, but. No, we. I mean, and then look at these rankings. One poll got us ranked in the top five and got you guys ranked in the top 50. And then there's another one.

[Matt Jones]

Hang on, just. There's two different polls. There's. You're talking about the one that has guys going and out, which includes guys that were marks, guys, et cetera, in the actual portal rankings, which is who has the best players from the class. I mean, at this point, Kentucky is ranked higher than Louisville.

[Vince Mero]

Okay, well, God bless him if that's true, but.

[Matt Jones]

I love it.

[Vince Mero]

Hey, listen, man, I want nothing but them guys that do. Well, I still talking about, I don't know this new staff, but. But I'm talking about administration. I've been cheering for the women's basketball. Been very. I actually still watch a lot of their games.

[Matt Jones]

And you were always a big fan of the women's basketball team here, and you like Kenny a lot, right?

[Vince Mero]

Yeah. Yeah. You guys got a really good coach there. He's a really good coach.

[Matt Jones]

Let me. Let me ask you, do you. Do you know Will Stein at all? Did you. I mean, I guess you guys weren't in Louisville at the same time, so. Do you. Do you know him at all?

[Vince Mero]

No, I don't know him at all. Just know he a Trinity guy a little bit. I know. I guess his parents with the. With the uk and they seem to be fired up about their new coach. So you know what? We don't play them until the last game of the season again. So we. It don't matter right now, but as we get close to that game, you know, it'll start heating up.

[Matt Jones]

Well, let me finish with this, because you're very nice to have answered the phone. You get on Twitter a lot and you fire back at fans. You did that some here, but I feel like you do it more at Louisville than you even did at Kentucky. Does anybody ever say, hey, Vince, you know, don't tweet as much? Or do you really. You really Enjoy it.

[Vince Mero]

I feel like, man, I work for a really good friend. He's. He's a really good coach. There's good people there. Nah, I mean, Mark Stews didn't say it to me, so, I mean, I just feel it's more. You guys make it more bigger now that I'm at Louisville. But when I was at Kentucky, I did the same thing, so it's kind of funny, you know?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Vince Mero]

But, you know, I like the entertainment. It's all good for the fans. I really be laughing, to be quite honest.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you know, I love you. It's gonna be fun beating you this year. I say cats by seven to 10. And when it's over, I'll take you out to dinner and throw L's down. But I love you. It's great to talk to you.

[Vince Mero]

All right, well, just make sure I don't tweet from the sideline again in.

[Matt Jones]

This so we know this time you won't have a chance because you're gonna be walking off and our band is gonna be playing and you're gonna have a sad look on your face.

[Vince Mero]

No, hey, you know what? If that happens, be the first one to say, hey, you guys beat us. But it's good talking to you guys, man. You guys always been my favorite. You guys in that. In that station right there, Brian and all you guys, well, we love you.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you, Vince. Appreciate it, man.

[Vince Mero]

All right, take care.

[Matt Jones]

There you go.

[Shannon]

That was quite entertaining.

[Matt Jones]

How about that? That was good, Shane. I didn't think he would answer.

[Ed Helms]

He did. Like on the first ring. He was ready for our call. I love it.

[Matt Jones]

I loved it.

[Shannon]

I did, too.

[Drew]

He doesn't miss us, though. I didn't like that. Well, you said, I don't miss you. All those words came out of his mouth.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but he also said we were his favorite.

[Drew]

That's true. Okay, we'll lean on that.

[Matt Jones]

Eat it. Drew, dinner. We'll take a break. Right back. Hour two ksr.