2026-02-19- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

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KSR (Kentucky Sports Radio) – Hour 2

Date: February 19, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones, Ryan Lemond, Brian Milam
Episode Theme:
This episode dives deep into the most pressing concerns for Kentucky basketball fans—recruiting struggles under new head coach Mark Pope, the changing landscape brought by NIL, and questions about athletic department leadership. The crew also touches on UK community landmarks, new Olympic sports, and field listener calls about nostalgia, uniforms, and even the NCAA bubble.

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Episode Overview

The hour centers on the UK basketball program's recruiting woes, particularly the inability to close on top high school talent, the necessity of adapting to college sports' new NIL era, and accountability at all levels—from Coach Pope to university administration. Lighter moments include personal stories, jokes about UK traditions, updates on local businesses, and Olympic chatter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kentucky Basketball Recruiting Crisis

Main Discussion:

• Matt addresses why he’s not been talking as much about recruiting but makes clear his anxiety has only grown (04:22–10:22).
• Severe concern about failing to land top high school basketball recruits—described bluntly as an “epic, epic fail.”
• Acknowledges that even if UK crushes the transfer portal, missing on every elite high schooler for two consecutive cycles is unacceptable for a program of Kentucky's stature.
• Names names: Missed out on targets Tyron Stokes, Christian Collins, and more—despite being favored for several.
• Compares UK’s recruiting haul unfavorably to other blue bloods: Kansas (Darin Peterson), UNC (Caleb Wilson), Duke (Cameron Boozer), UConn, Tennessee, etc.—all of whom landed top prospects.

Notable Quotes:

• “Unless something changes with Tyron Stokes or Christian Collins, it’s an epic fail by UK... it is a failure. When you at one point lead on three of the top 10 guys and you end up with none of them... that's a failure.” – Matt Jones (04:22)
• “They may get a great portal class... But it doesn’t excuse what was an epic failure of high school recruiting.” – Matt Jones (07:36)
• “I will confront Mark about it. I’m going to confront Mitch about it... It's a disaster." – Matt Jones (06:45)

Timestamps:

• 04:22–10:22 – Recruiting crisis breakdown
• 08:39–09:52 – Blue blood comparison; accountability

2. Accountability: Coaching & Administration

Main Discussion:

• Unfiltered critique of Mark Pope’s struggle to close on recruits (some of which is placed at his feet, but also at the feet of JMI and administration).
• Frustration with lack of transparency—mentions AD Mitch Barnhart being “MIA” and abdicating public responsibility (08:39–09:52).
• UK’s approach seen as outdated; their solution since COVID has often been to “say nothing.”

Notable Quotes:

• “Right now their solution, which has been their solution to every problem since COVID, is say nothing. And that’s the worst solution you can have.” – Matt Jones (10:34)
• “Mitch is MIA. When does Mitch ever speak?” – Matt Jones (09:52)

Timestamps:

• 08:39–09:52 – Administrative critique
• 10:34–11:36 – On Mark Pope & staff’s recruiting missteps

3. NIL Era & UK’s Failure to Adapt

Main Discussion:

• Callers and hosts discuss how NIL has fundamentally shifted recruiting; UK’s traditional selling points (the “jersey,” legacy, etc.) can’t stand alone anymore (21:47–25:23).
• Other blue bloods are embracing the change, but UK seems stuck in the past.
• Metaphor: Netflix’s pivot from mail DVDs to streaming—as a model for required adaptation.

Notable Quotes:

• “We have a decision to make. Do we want to be part of the future or do we not?... Do we want to be Blockbuster Video?” – Matt Jones (24:22–25:23)
• “Everybody else has figured it out. Why is it taking us so long to figure it out?” – Ryan Lemond (25:57)
• “If we’re not getting players because Mark Pope is still selling the jersey in a time that that doesn’t work…then he needs to do something else.” – Matt Jones (22:49)

Timestamps:

• 21:47–26:26 – NIL, tradition, and adapting to the new era

4. Fan and Media Dynamics & Local Journalism

Main Discussion:

• Acknowledgement that local journalists (Jack Pilgrim and Jacob) took heat for reporting recruiting problems, but have since been vindicated by national media.
• The UK fan base isn’t receptive to bad news, but it’s necessary for accountability (11:36).

Notable Quotes:

• “Jack and Jacob took a lot of crap from the fan base… but sometimes bad news needs to be heard.” – Matt Jones (11:44)

Timestamps:

• 11:36–12:24

5. Calls & Fun Segments

• Caller on Mitch Barnhart: Amusing story of a fan not recognizing the AD, asking him to take a picture of her and her son—not with her (12:27–14:24).

  • “Oh no, that’s brutal.” – Matt Jones (13:16)
  • Relatable anecdotes about mistaken identity and Jay Bilas pranking back when similarly confused.

• Softness in the Frontcourt:

  • Discussion of UK’s “soft” play in recent games, especially among big men.
  • Malachi’s improvement in physicality noted (15:18–16:31).

• Olympics & Ski Mountaineering:

  • Entertaining explanation of new Winter Olympics event: ski mountaineering, involving uphill skiing, running up steps, etc.
  • “How do you ski uphill?” – Ryan Lemond (31:04–32:59)

• Local Landmarks:

  • News that the longstanding liquor store and plaza near UK campus has been sold; likely future athletic development (26:44–29:47)

• Uniform Nostalgia:

  • Hopes for more UK football uniform variety—Power K throwbacks, alt jerseys, and Oregon-style experimentation (33:06–35:35).

• Khalil Whitney’s College Return:

  • Discusses if Whitney is eligible to play again at UK; general support for his return if possible (37:30–40:03).

• NCAA Bubble Debate:

  • Lively debate on tournament bids: Does an undefeated Miami-Ohio deserve a spot over a struggling but “name” power-conference team like Kentucky? (41:07–44:00)
  • “No one in America that isn’t a Kentucky fan would be rooting for us.” – Matt Jones (43:17)

• Origins of “Long time, first time” Call-in Phrase:

  • Fan discussion of sports radio tropes; credits “Sin of a Woman” and The Fabulous Sports Babe’s show (44:03–45:45).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|--------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:22 | Matt Jones | “Unless something changes with Tyron Stokes or Christian Collins, it’s an epic fail by UK...” | | 06:45 | Matt Jones | “I will confront Mark about it. I’m going to confront Mitch about it... It's a disaster." | | 09:52 | Matt Jones | “Mitch is MIA. When does Mitch ever speak?” | | 11:44 | Matt Jones | “Jack and Jacob took a lot of crap from the fan base… but sometimes bad news needs to be heard.” | | 13:16 | Matt Jones | “Oh no, that's brutal.” (about the fan not recognizing Mitch Barnhart) | | 22:49 | Matt Jones | “If we’re not getting players because Mark Pope is still selling the jersey... then he needs to do something else.” | | 24:22-25:23| Matt Jones | “We have a decision to make. Do we want to be part of the future or do we not?... Do we want to be Blockbuster Video?” | | 25:57 | Ryan Lemond | “Everybody else has figured it out. Why is it taking us so long to figure it out?” | | 43:17 | Matt Jones | “No one in America that isn’t a Kentucky fan would be rooting for us.” (on play-in potential) |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• UK Recruiting Breakdown: 04:22–10:22
• Administrative & NIL Era Discussion: 21:47–26:26
• Fan Stories & Call-ins: 12:27–14:24; 33:06–35:35; 44:03–45:45
• Uniform/Nostalgia: 33:06–35:35
• Olympics & Ski Mountaineering: 31:04–33:06
• Khalil Whitney Talk: 37:30–40:03
• NCAA Bubble Debate: 41:07–44:00

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Overall Tone & Language

• Unapologetically direct, occasionally humorous, and full of inside jokes—including playful ribbing of each other and the athletic department.
• Matt Jones is especially blunt and passionate about UK’s recruiting failures and the need for institutional adaptation.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This hour of KSR is essential listening for fans frustrated with UK basketball’s place in the shifting universe of college sports. Matt and crew lay out the facts, unvarnished opinions, and necessary context—with plenty of humor, listener interaction, and the warmth of a long-running Kentucky institution. Whether you care about recruiting, athletics administration, or just want to hear talk about iconic campus liquor stores and new Olympic sports, you’ll get a mix of hard insight and local color in this episode.

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Transcript

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[Brian Milam]

welcome to hour two of Kentucky Sports Radio, presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. It is hour number two, Kentucky Sports Radio. 859-280-2287. Text machine, 772-774-5254. On the text machine, one person writes, matt, I'm sitting here with my wife, and she is very worried that if you buy a house that no one will take care of your landscaping and it will turn into being gross. Will you assure her that you will? Yeah.

[Brian Milam]

Big concern.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's why they have people that do that for you. You have a pool guy, have a landscaping guy. Get it all taken care of for you.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know who those guys are, though. Somebody left.

[Ryan Lemond]

We'll hook you up.

[Brian Milam]

You'll find them.

[Matt Jones]

You do.

[Ryan Lemond]

We have people.

[Matt Jones]

You got people?

[Ryan Lemond]

I got people.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. They do have a room in there where I feel like I could put a studio.

[Ryan Lemond]

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[Matt Jones]

For, you know, a radio and.

[Ryan Lemond]

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[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Brian Milam]

Mario, put your studio, your chair in the kitchen.

[Matt Jones]

That's in the house. Yeah. I mean, the house I'm in now, we can't. Mario's not allowed to put the chair in the middle of the kitchen like he did last time.

[Ryan Lemond]

There are two priorities when Matt's looking at a house. Where am I gonna put my shoes, where I'm gonna put my books? Two different priorities.

[Matt Jones]

That is true. Especially the books. Cause now the books are like. They're a whole. They're my one like thing. So you gotta make sure there's a place for it.

[Brian Milam]

Could be like a library. Have a nice.

[Matt Jones]

There's like a good man cave area. It's a good tv.

[Ryan Lemond]

So outdoor grill.

[Brian Milam]

Oh, there you go. The grill.

[Matt Jones]

I'm big on the grill. All right, let's. Let's talk about a couple things here real quick. First of all, the UK basketball recruiting question. I keep getting some version of this in the thing. Basically saying, matt, you were on a kick talking about UK basketball recruiting issues. You've stopped.

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Why?

[Matt Jones]

And that's, I think, a completely fair question. I still have the same worries about the UK basketball recruiting. I'm, if anything, more worried about it now than I was because less and less time is coming now. With that said, I have just accepted we're not going to get any high school players. If we do, that's fine. I think you can say without question, in terms of high school basketball recruiting, unless something changes with Tyron Stokes or Christian Collins, it's an epic fail by uk. Whether that is the failure of the coaching staff. Clearly the coaching staff plays some role in it. I mean, whether it's 50%, 30%, 100%, the coaching staff is part of the failure. It is a failure. When you at one point lead on three of the top 10 guys and you ended up with nine, none of them. And when two of the top 10 guys had ties to Kentucky and you ended up with none of them, that's a failure. To what extent are there circumstantial factors, whether it's with JMI or uk? I have thoughts on that. I have given. I've taken a step back to try to understand and have given, especially jmi, a lot of time to try to help me understand. That has not been something that's happened much. I kept thinking it would and it really hasn't. So when we get to portal season, if it's still an issue, you'll be hearing me rail on it. All right. Thing is, though, the season's still going on. There's two and a half weeks left in the tournament, so there'll be plenty of time. But my, don't get me wrong, my worry about recruiting is still there. It is an epic, epic fail that we have no players. Epic fail. And now the portal. They might go kill the portal. So maybe it'll work itself out. But it doesn't excuse what was an epic failure of high school recruiting. You. I will go so far as to say it's two years of epic failure. You got the most talented freshman class in the history of college basketball. And we don't really have any of them. Malachi has been great. I love Malachi. But there are not. The first nine picks of the draft will all be freshmen. And somehow we didn't get any of them. And we were in on a couple of them.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And then you take the next year's class and you follow it up with zero. That's a tremendous failure. And Mark Pope and UK and JMI need to own that. When the season's over, I will confront Mark about it. I'm going to confront Mitch about it if he ever talks to us again. But it is. It's a disaster. And if they try to say otherwise, they're just wrong.

[Brian Milam]

Well, I'm ready for the spin. It's coming.

[Matt Jones]

There's no spin.

[Brian Milam]

But get ready. They'll have their Portal hall and they'll act like they weren't interested in the refreshment class when it hadn't been two weeks since we visited Stoke. And they've tried with all these Guys and have dropped the ball with a lot of them. There was guys. It was in the final hour. Were national people. Not even us around here. People that completely unbiased. They're like, yep, about done with Kentucky and Player X. Whether that was Stokes in October or Collins and then didn't look like not gonna end up with any of them.

[Matt Jones]

And they may get a great portal class. I mean, they may get a great portal class and it doesn't end up mattering. But all you got to do. This is what I would say, Ryan, when you rely solely on the portal, that might work. But then you also might have a scenario like this year where it doesn't quite work. Kind of works, but doesn't really. Wouldn't it be nice to have in addition to Malachi another like, star freshman? Wouldn't that be nice? What if Caleb Wilson was on this team? Like, what if Caleb. Just imagine you put Caleb Wilson on this team, how different it would have been another one.

[Brian Milam]

They lost in the final moment.

[Matt Jones]

They lost in the final moments. So I don't care what they say. I'm just going to tell you. I don't care what any of them say. When the season's over. They tried to get these guys and they did not get them. And this is Kentucky and Kansas again. Look at the top teams. Kansas has Darren Peterson. North Carolina has Caleb Wilson. Duke has Cameron Boozer.

[Brian Milam]

Tennessee's got native.

[Matt Jones]

What's the guy you. UConn has one of them. Tennessee has Nate. Amen. Cal has Darius Acuff. Houston. Houston has Kingston Flemings. Okay. BYU, where Mark Pope came from, has AJ DebonSA. We didn't get any of them. There is no excuse. And whatever it is that led to that has to be fixed. If it's Mark, then it's Mark. If it's jmi, then it's jmi. If it's as I think, kind of both, then they both need to be fixed. And I. So. So just because I'm not talking about it doesn't mean I don't feel it. My passion is still the same on it. I decided to kind of hold my fire to give J. I thought it was reasonable to give JMI a chance to help me understand. Help the fan. Nobody understands. Still two months later, what the situation is. No one. They did one interview during a broadcast and you know, I didn't. I found it a little helpful, but not much. And Mitch is mia. Mitch is mia. When is Mitch doesn't speak enough.

[Brian Milam]

Matt enough.

[Matt Jones]

He's mi enough. He is like literally Mitch is nowhere ever except standing in the corner in the basketball game where fans can't get to talk. I'm not saying fans, he needs to make himself available to fans, but he needs to talk. In the last time we saw him in public, he was yelling at a report. So, you know, so if that's not clear, I still have opinions. I do. It's just, I don't think the average person wants to just hear me rant about that every day.

[Ryan Lemond]

Well, you kind of hit on the most disappointing thing to me. Like if they were leading with Wilson, leading with Stokes, leading with Collins, why are they having so much trouble closing the deals? And it's not a one off thing. This has happened last year, it's happening this year.

[Matt Jones]

This will be the conversation in April and May and someone has to answer to that. What's going to end, here's what's going to end up happening. Mark's going to take it all on his shoulders and he's going to say he's. But I personally don't believe it's all Mark. I think it's partially Mark. I think Mark is having a hard time figuring this out and like figuring out how to connect to some of these guys. And he has a staff full of college recruiters, even though he needs people to talk to agents. And it's just not. But I don't think it's all Mark. I don't. And I think, you know, but right now, their solution, which has been their solution to every problem since COVID which is say nothing. That's been the solution. Say nothing at all. And that's the worst solution that you can have. But they've done it for six years about everything. So I'm not surprised. It's the same thing here, you know

[Ryan Lemond]

that, that article that the guys wrote this summer, Jack and those guys talked about people saying how they got to the closing table. And Mark was just like, well, I'll

[Matt Jones]

say this about Jack and Jacob, Jack and Jacob and me, even though I didn't write it. But Jack and Jacob especially took a lot of crap for that article. We have now had multiple national media members confirm that everything they said in that article was, was true. Jack and Jacob took a lot of crap from the fan base, from some parts of the fan base and some other folks and, and Rob Doster and Jeff Goodman, Matt Norlander have all said what they say is correct. So Jack and Jacob, you know, people don't like bad news. They don't. But sometimes the bad news is needed to be heard. And with that, who's next?

[Brian Milam]

Let's go to Jordan.

[Matt Jones]

Jordan. Go ahead, Jordan.

[Caller]

Hey, how we doing this morning, guys?

[Matt Jones]

Doing good.

[Caller]

This is actually a pretty good segue. I was at the game Tuesday night. I have a pretty funny story about Mitch Barnhart.

[Matt Jones]

Go for it.

[Caller]

We were sitting in section 33, like, row three, right behind the Kentucky bench. And me and my buddy, we've always wanted these seats, and we finally got them, and, you know, Mitch just stands in that corner the whole game. So we're there in pregame warmup, hanging out, having a good time, and there's this woman and her son that's sitting right in front of us. And she looks at Mitch and she's like, hey, excuse me. Would you mind taking a picture with us? And he was like, yeah, sure. So he takes the phone and, like, flips it around to take a selfie, and she goes, no, no, I mean, can you just take a picture of me and my son?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, no, that's brutal.

[Caller]

And my face. My face was just like.

[Matt Jones]

She didn't know he was. Yeah, that's.

[Caller]

Well, I. Yeah, I talked to her. I'm like, did you know who that was? And she goes, no. I'm like, well, that's the athletic director.

[Matt Jones]

That's funny, though. You know, I've had. I've had that happen a couple times with me, to be fair. I appreciate the call where I. Where somebody said, can. Can you take a picture? And I thought they meant with me, and they just literally meant for me to take the picture. My favorite story about that is in the Bahamas with Jay Billis when. When my friend Turkey Hunter and hubby decided to screw with Jay Billis, and they went up to him and said, will you take a picture? Handed him the phone, and then just stood there, like, not posing with him. But Jay Billis was quick on his feet. Rather than take a picture of you more, he just took a picture of his own face and handed it back to him, which I thought was a good response. He realized they were screwing with him, and then he just did it back to him, which I like that.

[Brian Milam]

I remember that move they did. I actually felt some anxiety for Mitch in that situation of that's got to be so awkward. Also. Maybe be out there a little bit more so people know who you are.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, well. Yeah. Who's next?

[Brian Milam]

What a hit to the ego.

[Matt Jones]

Chi Woo. Go ahead. Hey, go ahead.

[Caller]

So, first of all, with the Bears, they're going to stay in. They're. They're going to go to Arlington Heights. Why why do teams okay, if you replaced all the Chicago Bears so, so if you replaced Swift and and DJ what would you get and how much better would you be without them? Those are key players. Why do, why do the Chicago Bears always do that?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean you and I can have a Bears talk off air. I don't know that the fans yeah. Roster but go ahead.

[Caller]

Okay, so University of Kentucky basketball men's look we, we got big man. You we keep guards or guards. Yes, scores are scores but every, every game that we play where we get beat and hammered their big, their big guys beat our big guys. I mean our big guys seem, they're, they're skilled players. They, they play hard but they're soft as prescription bottle cotton.

[Matt Jones]

We yeah, listen I appreciate the call. C.H. wood. I, I, I do think they're soft sometimes but then sometimes I don't but there are games where they play soft. Mo is not soft but I do think sometimes Malachi needs to be a little stronger and tougher and then in Garrison and Yellow Bitch have been soft for sure.

[Brian Milam]

I feel like Malachi has turned a corner a little bit on that. The last three games for him was a gauntlet of Tennessee, Florida and then Softo. That's about as nasty as you're going to see in the sec. Even though he lost two of those games, I did think he was a little more physical than he had been. He tried to dunk that ball at Florida that sent Goose going crazy on the radio. But hopefully that continues moving forward when maybe the competition is as tough as those guys. They just went through you know the

[Ryan Lemond]

Florida front court better than probably most front courts in whole country and our big guys did fairly well against the that's not what beat us the backcourt

[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

Yeah, this is the one I was talking about. Shannon. Yeah. Yeah, you, you said that wasn't it. I didn't say I. No, I said that's it. Yeah.

[Ryan Lemond]

Now I recognize what you were doing. Who is this?

[Matt Jones]

Queen of The Stone Age. Yeah. 859-280-2287. One person writes. Matt. What about Prince Andrew being arrested? Well, it's good to see one country is taking that seriously. I'm being serious. They just arrested the. The king's brother.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

In England. And our attorney general and FBI director says we're not doing any more investigating on it. It's ridiculous. Ridiculous. That should go across. That should go across part. Everyone should agree with that and anyone that doesn't. I don't, I don't understand. I don't understand how you can't think. Like I was wrong on those, on those files. I thought, like it won't be as, as big as people. I was wrong. Like there's a ton. Every day more things come out, like every day. And the idea that you wouldn't go look, I mean, they just arrested in England the king's brother. The king's brother. And like most the people in there are still doing their job. Like still doing their jobs. And And I. I'm shocked. And I'm shocked that the people who for years demanded that. That people do, like, have stopped. I don't get it.

[Brian Milam]

But the Dow's up, Matt.

[Matt Jones]

But I mean, I, I cr. Yeah. And the Attorney General gets up there and goes, how are you not talking about the Dow being up? Well, I mean, I. I hadn't really thought about it. I mean, that. Yeah, that's definitely on point to this issue. So I'm. But, you know, I. A lot of things have happened the last couple years that I wouldn't. Wouldn't have thought happened. One person writes, Matt, are you all going to see Wuthering Heights? Brian, I'll let you answer that. Are you. Are you gonna go see what they. Apparently a very hot, hot thriller. Romantic. Margot Robbie.

[Ryan Lemond]

I heard it's very hot, very steamy. I will only go.

[Matt Jones]

Even see you don't save steaming.

[Brian Milam]

It's for lovers, right, Ryan?

[Caller]

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[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it's awful.

[Ryan Lemond]

I will only go if yoga girl makes me go.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, apparently they have, like, very. What I read is, the thing is, it's, like, very hot, you know, sex scenes, but everyone keeps their clothes on. Interesting. Which is interesting. I don't know.

[Ryan Lemond]

I didn't learn it that way.

[Matt Jones]

What do you mean? You learned heights?

[Brian Milam]

No, no, we don't want to. We don't want to know Brian's next statement.

[Ryan Lemond]

We know.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, you read Weathering Heights and, like.

[Brian Milam]

He's not talking about the book.

[Ryan Lemond]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, okay. Yeah, we got them all. That's good. Shut up. Who's next? That was going to be a good conversation. You ruined it. You saw.

[Brian Milam]

You saw where he was going.

[Matt Jones]

I can't even talk about Emily Bronte in front of this person. Charlene. Charlene, how are you? Charlotte, Hi.

[Caller]

Doing fine, thank you, Matt.

[Matt Jones]

Good.

[Caller]

Reason I'm calling is talking about recruiting. NIL has introduced an element into college basketball that competes with something Mark Pope holds very sacred, which is the lure of playing with Kentucky basketball. And now that has diminished, you know, the value we brought to college basketball.

[Matt Jones]

And. Well, he's got to get over. He's got to get over that, though, Charlie. He's got to get over. And I disagree with you that. I disagree with you that it's diminished it. Because here's my question. If it's diminished it so much, why are Duke, Carolina and Kansas getting these guys? Clearly, there's value to being a power program. Duke, Carolina, and Kansas are getting these guys. We're not.

[Caller]

We are the only good counterpoint. But maybe Mark Pope is relying too.

[Matt Jones]

Well, get over it, Mark Pope. Get over it. Get over it, Mark.

[Caller]

I mean, if that's almighty dollar too,

[Matt Jones]

if that's what it is, and I don't know if it is or not, but if we're not getting players because Mark Pope is still selling the jersey in a time that that doesn't work, they then. Then he needs to do something else. You know, I mean, I. I may have been the best ever CD seller and I hold and I held sacred the values of selling CDs, but the moment it me went to digital music, then I need to change those values to the digital era or I will be left behind, you know, to put it a different way. And I appreciate the call, Charlene. There was a time that basketball wasn't integrated, and Adolph RUP and Bear Bryant were legends when basketball wasn't integrated. And then it was. And you either adapt or you do not. And then you go. And then there was a time where television wasn't a part of watching sports. And then it was. And you can sit there and act like it's. It's not going to be the way it was. You have to adapt. Kentucky on issues of race, we took too long, both morally and then on the court, we suffered for that. Tennessee took too long to address the television like the modern television era in Nebraska, and they've suffered for that in football.

[Ryan Lemond]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

So it is now up to us to decide in this next era of basketball, are we going to be a blue blood or not? We. We have a decision to make. And if we are making structural decisions that make that not happen, whether it's asking players to sign contracts no one else is asking, having a coach selling something that these players don't want anymore. We have a decision. Do we want to be part of the future or do we not? Right. Do we want to be Blockbuster Video? I mean, think about Netflix. Netflix's business model when it first opened was what, Ryan?

[Ryan Lemond]

They sent something through the mail.

[Matt Jones]

They sent you stuff in the mail, and that's what worked. And then all of a sudden, streaming came and Netflix had a decision to make. Are we still gonna be the mail company? Are we gonna be the streaming company? And they became the streaming company. Now they're the biggest thing in the world, and we have that decision to make, too. Yeah.

[Brian Milam]

And in that story Jacob and Jack did, someone was quoted in recruitment saying exactly all that. It even says, I don't care where my kids going. Are you gonna do what you told me you would do? Like even says Pope was way too emotional and things I assume talking about, you know, the jersey is like at the end of the day, what is he getting and are you gonna follow through with your end of the deal, wherever that school is.

[Matt Jones]

So, yeah, that may not be how it was with Mark and I understand. And you might think the, you might think black and white television was better than color television, but it ain't going back. So do you want to be part of it, Ryan, or not?

[Ryan Lemond]

I think there's some truth in what you were saying and I think they better get it fixed quickly because everybody else has figured it out. Why is it taking us so long to figure it out?

[Matt Jones]

That's why GM that's what annoys me. It's not, it doesn't annoy me that like BYU has all this money and now they're involved or whatever. It annoys me that our friends, fellow blue blood programs and the blue Buds right now, in my opinion are Kansas, Duke, North Carolina and Yukon and us. Those four have figured it out. Why haven't we?

[Ryan Lemond]

That's the question.

[Matt Jones]

That's it. That's it in the story. We'll take a break and be right back. Ksr

[Ryan Lemond]

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[Matt Jones]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage.

[Brian Milam]

Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio, 85902287 text machine is 772-774-5254. You got to be sad. Did you see that Coliseum Plaza where everybody that's ever gone to UK has probably done something in has been sold to the university.

[Ryan Lemond]

I didn't know this.

[Matt Jones]

So that mariachi run Mariachi. But the one thing that's been there forever was that liquor store.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Almost everybody that went to UK probably the first time you bought alcohol was at that liquor store right there on the of. You're smiling. Am I wrong about that? See, you know I'm right. That liquor store that has been sold to uk, I have to think when I saw that was being sold that will be part of some sort of future practice facility dorm for sports. I mean it's so close to Memorial Coliseum. I've got to think that is for some sort of future thing having to do with UK athletics.

[Ryan Lemond]

You know, you hear the buzz that maybe they're going to have to build another lodge. Maybe they build a new lodge and tear the old one down and create build something on that side of it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, right there. All that stuff there. They said that basically UK Said they would let whoever's there finish their lease, but it looked like it might be it for all those things.

[Brian Milam]

Yeah, the liquor store, I mean Lana's closed recently but that was an iconic spot for uk not there. Excuse me. Yeah, I'll list those that are on down. But I mean they're the places that have been in that spot. Some have closed in the last couple years, but that is an iconic little, I guess shopping spot you would call it.

[Matt Jones]

More liquor stores been there for how long?

[Ryan Lemond]

As I've been in town, it's been there.

[Matt Jones]

I mean that liquor store has been there since I was in college. I mean so it's always been like

[Ryan Lemond]

a little taco shop or Mexican shop or something there forever. Pizza.

[Brian Milam]

So I think there's a place called Bangkok House there now that students love. I've not. I've not been. But it seems popular.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, so. So that's. That that's going to go away and I do think that's ultimately probably for some sort of athletic.

[Brian Milam]

The Harold leader pointed out this morning that could also be. They've had that entertainment retail dining thing they're considering.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but that's not close to the football stadium. I mean if the goal of the retail thing is to get people to the football stadium, that's far. I mean that's farther away than KS Bar. That's way far away. So I. That might be what they want to do but that wouldn't seem to be a tough spot because tough spot.

[Brian Milam]

That place is known for like people can't get here. Even El Mariachi, we know them well. Like they struggle getting people that aren't

[Matt Jones]

foot traffic because you can't park.

[Brian Milam]

Yeah, it's a horrible spot to try to park.

[Matt Jones]

There's nowhere to park. So I wouldn't think that'd be where that is.

[Caller]

But.

[Matt Jones]

But maybe did you. There are people who say yesterday, Ryan, it was the most exciting day of hockey in the history of the sport. Four quarterfinal games, three of which came down to the last second. USA and Canada both on the verge of defeat. Both win in exciting fashion. Did you watch any of.

[Ryan Lemond]

I just saw the highlights. Highlights only. So now I don't know how the brackets do they face each other. United States and Canada.

[Matt Jones]

US Plays Slovakia and Canada plays Finland. So USA and Canada still favorites. But those teams are good. Both those teams have a lot of people in the NHL. My Carolina Hurricanes have like six people from Finland on their team.

[Ryan Lemond]

So didn't some big time player get hurt for Canada?

[Matt Jones]

Sidney Crosby.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's right.

[Matt Jones]

The Biggest time player. But. But he says he'll be back.

[Ryan Lemond]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Jones]

But did you see they. Both games, they won on three. On three. Remember, I've talked about how they. When they go to overtime, they do a three on three. Both teams won in three on three.

[Ryan Lemond]

Maybe other schools. Other schools follow the same path, that sort of thing.

[Matt Jones]

Canada plays Villanova in the next round of the. Of the tournament. But everybody wants USA Canada, right? Oh, yeah, that's what everybody wants.

[Ryan Lemond]

The two winners beginning the gold medal game. Right. Then they do. Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Brian Milam]

How much Winter Olympics do we have left? I feel like we're nearing the end, but I have no idea. I've enjoyed it.

[Matt Jones]

But it is like a Sunday. Okay, it is Sunday. So tonight they start the first ever. It's the. It's a new event. It's called the ski. What's it called? It's like, called Ski Tacular or something. It's like Ski Ski Ville.

[Brian Milam]

Anyway, Ski mountaineering.

[Matt Jones]

Ski mountaineering.

[Ryan Lemond]

So you.

[Matt Jones]

You ski uphill in one kind of skis, and then you have to run up the steps in your skis. No, you take the skis off. So you're carrying downhill skis, but you're skiing on uphill skis. Then you get to some steps, you take off your uphill stair skis, you run up the steps, then you put on your downhill skis and you ski downhill.

[Ryan Lemond]

I'm questioning, how do you ski uphill?

[Matt Jones]

What do you mean? How do you ski uphill?

[Brian Milam]

That's a great question. How do you ski uphill?

[Ryan Lemond]

How do you ski up?

[Matt Jones]

The same way you ski. You just. You just ski. You put one foot in front of the other hill before. No, but I've seen people do it. Like ski uphill. Not, not, I mean, not like steep uphill, but you just ski upward. It's not, it's not like they go up the downhill trek. Yeah, they're just skiing up a mountain.

[Ryan Lemond]

That can be kind of difficult with skis trying to try to go uphill.

[Matt Jones]

It'd be harder to walk in snow.

[Ryan Lemond]

So we just.

[Matt Jones]

What is the thing you're not able to comprehend skiing uphill?

[Ryan Lemond]

The skis are designed for the speed to go down.

[Matt Jones]

No, there's other people used to use skis to move. So, like, they would ski the ones

[Ryan Lemond]

that look like tennis rackets.

[Matt Jones]

Those, those, those kind of skis just skis regular ski. Have you not been watching this? There have been people skiing. Okay, just think about this. You see nice people ski on flat ground.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Now they just go uphill.

[Ryan Lemond]

That Seems a little bit difficult.

[Brian Milam]

Well, yeah, that's the point.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't say it was easy. The reason it's a competition is because it's hard.

[Ryan Lemond]

I don't want.

[Brian Milam]

They don't have gravity on their side.

[Matt Jones]

They're actually using muscles. Yeah, that's the way you're talking is how do you climb uphill? You just. The same way.

[Ryan Lemond]

It's just walking up a hill, but then going up with skis on. Seeing in the snow and ice.

[Matt Jones]

All right, I gotta move on. Who's. Who's up next? Bob. Bob. Go ahead, Bob.

[Caller]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, go ahead.

[Caller]

You got me.

[Matt Jones]

I do.

[Caller]

Okay. Just a little fun question since. Since Mark Polk brought back the denim uniforms and stuff for. Is there any chance. I know Will Stein is coming from Oregon and different uniform combinations. I know his dad played at uk. Is there any chance for the K on the end?

[Matt Jones]

I would love it. I would love for that to happen. I appreciate the call. You know, Stein does come from a tradition of organ fun uniforms. That's a big part of what they do. I'd love to do it. And then if they do, why wouldn't you have a game with the old Power K? I mean, to me, it makes perfect sense.

[Brian Milam]

Here we go, UK complaining again. It's one of my biggest UK athletics complaints. Basketball should have 50 throwbacks and alternates. I know people don't love wearing black or silver, but like the denims. I know last year we brought the 93s back, but what took so long? Football, you've probably got all kinds of stuff, too. Like, that's the fun things about college sports. Hell, you can make your money, sell them in the bookstore.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Brian Milam]

Bring this stuff out of the closet.

[Matt Jones]

And football, like basketball, people have this nostalgic tradition that they. That they. They hesitate to deviate from the old colors and the old uniforms. And I get it, but football doesn't have that. Football, you have the freedom to try anything, right? And so I say go for it. Oregon tries stuff. Sometimes it's hideous, sometimes it's hideous. But they have the policy of we're only going to use it once again once a year. So if it's hideous, well, we'll have a different one next time.

[Ryan Lemond]

People love it, especially UK football. Of all sports we got on campus, the one that maybe could help do that to make a little a sexy look for a recruit is football. Change up the uniform.

[Matt Jones]

So I hope they do. I don't know if they will excuse me, but I hope they do. And even if they only do one you know, the old time old timers have been asking for the Power K uniform forever. I think you do it just for them. I mean, why not? One of the group of people that feels the least like served are old time UK football fans who are like, I've been doing this forever and they've taken my parking and they've made it harder and I've gotten worse seats and I can't sit with my friends.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, well, here's something you could do that would be reaching out to them. That's really easy to do. Just bring back the uniforms that they love.

[Ryan Lemond]

Guys like Freddie will probably tear up if they do something like that. They love that Power K look and I think it's a great tribute to those guys.

[Matt Jones]

So I think. Yes. Yeah, I think, sir, that is an absolutely great idea and should be done. We'll see if it ends up and I think Will Stein is a guy who will push stuff like that. Your your dream home awaits. Bluegrass Home Center. You can choose the siding, the shutters, the kitchen colors and more. Bluegrass Home Center's new online home design center is there for you. They've got two, three, four, five bedroom homes. They off start as low as 48,900 including delivery. You can get it sent to you. It's in Rudy Bear Road in London. We've been there a number of times. Bluegrass Home Center 606-215-3300. It's Bluegrass Home Center. They offer home only financing with zero down at the Bluegrass Home Center. We'll take a break and come back. Final segment KS bar trivia Tonight. Ryan's got a team. I got my team win. He won't but that's all right. We'll be right back.

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back, Tyee Sports Radio, 859-280-2287. Khalil Whitney wants to come back to college basketball. He says his recruitment is open. He did play in the NBA.

[Ryan Lemond]

You know, he joined us for a show this past summer when he was on the TBT team. I really didn't know him when he was here, but Drew and I both, when he left, like, my goodness, you know that kid still carrying a lot of heartache and hurt from his time when he was here.

[Matt Jones]

And it felt like the TBT thing did was really good for him.

[Ryan Lemond]

Very therapeutic, I think for him.

[Matt Jones]

Like fans kind of all rallied around him, the dragon and all that. So I think that was great. I love it. I mean, he still though, like he shouldn't.

[Brian Milam]

I don't think he ever played in an actual game though. I think he fits the mold.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but not the seven years.

[Brian Milam]

Oh, the seven year.

[Matt Jones]

It has to be seven years since you. Since. I mean, we're not going to have players.

[Ryan Lemond]

That's the season he was here. 2020-1920-1820-1920 season.

[Matt Jones]

2018.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yeah, 2019 year.

[Brian Milam]

He left the Covid team before the year ended.

[Matt Jones]

The team that, that. The Tyrese Maxey team.

[Brian Milam]

Because he, he was my profile picture. We were supposed to. He was supposed to be good. He was going to be our wing and then.

[Matt Jones]

Well, actually if he, if he was on that Covid team.

[Brian Milam]

Yeah, he fits the bill.

[Matt Jones]

He would have one year. So he could be. So he didn't play in an NBA game?

[Brian Milam]

I don't think so. He didn't get much run in the G League either.

[Matt Jones]

Well, if he didn't play in the NBA, I felt. I thought he played in a game, though. Did he not play in a game?

[Brian Milam]

I don't think he was good enough.

[Matt Jones]

Well, if he didn't. If he. Now let me say this. If he didn't play in a game and he's got a year, got a year left, then I'm for it. Because you remember he was good. Yeah, he was good on that TBT team.

[Brian Milam]

Yeah, he only got like three points in the G League. I can't imagine he got bumped up. He was on a ten day for Greensboro.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, he was on a ten day though. But isn't that exhibit ten?

[Brian Milam]

Excuse me.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but that's the, that's the one the guy at Alabama was on. He was on that because that's different than the other kind of contract that The Baylor kid was on. Well, anyway, if he were eligible, I would say if I had a year with Khalil Whitney, let's do it, man. I mean we don't have anything everybody else right next year. So, you know, I think our fan

[Ryan Lemond]

base would absolutely love that kid if he came and played one year here after way after he left the first time. I think they would love it, support him. I mean, get behind him.

[Matt Jones]

I'd be, you know, I'm for it. We could use them. So let's do it. Who's next? Shannon?

[Brian Milam]

Wes.

[Matt Jones]

Wes. Go ahead, Wes.

[Caller]

Hey man. Just wondering, do you want to make your trip up to Miami and Ohio since they're still undefeated?

[Matt Jones]

So I'm thinking about. They played. So they play Tomorrow night at 8:30 against Bowling Green and it's on television and I'm gonna. I'm contemplating. I've talked to their. Coincidentally their Sid or whatever used to work with me at CBS Sports the year I worked there and he. He invited me, invited me. So I'm contemplating. I haven't decided here you are you

[Caller]

gonna take Bob and Jamestown with you?

[Matt Jones]

No, he's not going. This would be. This would probably be a solo trip. I appreciate the call if I were to do it, but I'm. I'm contemplating going and seeing the undefeated Redhawks tomorrow.

[Ryan Lemond]

I saw the remainder of their schedule very, very winnable. They could.

[Matt Jones]

They just won their hardest game they won at UMass which was the one that. So they're probably going to go into the tournament undefeated.

[Ryan Lemond]

But.

[Matt Jones]

But that raises the question of if he lose. If they lose in the conference final, you got.

[Ryan Lemond]

I think you still got to put them in. I'd rather see them get in there to one loss team after going undefeated the regular season than the ninth seed.

[Matt Jones]

So I want you to. I want you to. I want you to put your money where your mouth is, big boy.

[Ryan Lemond]

All right, I'm ready.

[Matt Jones]

Let's say we lose out and we're 17 and 14. Oh, and we are ahead of them in the net in the rpi. But they're undefeated. Do you want the ncaa?

[Ryan Lemond]

We could.

[Matt Jones]

There's a world. We could be the team that is being debated against them. Do you think an undefeated Miami of Ohio team would be worth taking in? Let's say we win one more. Let's say we finish nine and nine, which is genuinely a possibility. And we're 18 and 13 and we're on the bubble and they're the other choice. Who gets in?

[Ryan Lemond]

Well, Kentucky gets in in that aspect. No I'm going to. I'm going to pick.

[Matt Jones]

But we would. In my scenario, in my scenario, Ryan, we would be the ninth place team in the SEC. We're the ninth place team in the SEC and they're 31 and oh, now they're 33 and one because they lose in the finals of the Mac.

[Ryan Lemond]

I, of course I'm going to lean with Kentucky. But if it was like.

[Matt Jones]

But that your Georgia. But your literal argument was 9th place team.

[Ryan Lemond]

I meant to say 10th. I meant to say 10th place team.

[Brian Milam]

They could be 10th.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. It's unlikely we'll be 10. But we could be 9th. There's a world where we could be.

[Brian Milam]

I'm different than Ryan. I don't. I don't even consider putting them in if they don't win their conference tournament. You can't reward playing a bunch of nobody. So they have one win inside the top 140. Every team they beat but one is ranked outside of the top 140. You can't set a standard of just schedule the easiest teams. You can.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Shannon, are you letting them in? Oh, God, yeah. No, I put Kentucky in. I think I'm gonna put in Kentucky in. I mean the reality is if we were to play them, we're playing game.

[Ryan Lemond]

We'd win a playing game.

[Brian Milam]

That's what we should do.

[Ryan Lemond]

Playing game in Dayton, it'd be the most.

[Matt Jones]

Now that he played Miami of Ohio in Dayton. Oh my goodness, that would be wild. But the whole country would be rooting for them. They would like. No one would be rooting for us. No one in America that's not a Kentucky fan would be rooting for us. Every single fan. It would be an ESPN like story for three days. The entire United States would be rooting for Miami.

[Brian Milam]

And would our fans even go? I think we'd be so disappointed.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, we'd go. I mean they'll. If we'd not.

[Brian Milam]

It'll be full of air Ohio. Well, I'm hard.

[Ryan Lemond]

No.

[Brian Milam]

If they don't win their tournament because then their arguments. Undefeated arguments out like these are the rules. The team that wins the conference championship gets in.

[Matt Jones]

It's interesting. Who's next?

[Brian Milam]

Let's go to Tutti.

[Matt Jones]

Tootie. How are you too, dude?

[Caller]

He's doing good. Hey, you got a question? Help me settle a little argument. The phrase long time, first time don't come from the fabulous sports babe.

[Matt Jones]

It does not. It comes from. It may have originally come from. From that, but it comes from for me, sin of a woman. I was trying to think of like when somebody calls that, you know, some places would used. Now people don't do this anymore, but they used to hit a bell or they would like, whatever. Now I've heard that the Fabulous Sports Babe did that, but I never listened to that show. So for me, it didn't come from there. But for me, I always thought the sound the guy made in Al Pacino made in Sin of a Woman was funny.

[Caller]

Don't know if Drew was old enough or not, but I listened to her. She was a syndicated sports call in host and on a little AM radio station out of Madisonville.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Brian Milam]

Nice.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, okay. That's the match.

[Brian Milam]

Wfmw probably.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I appreciate the call. You remember the Fabulous Sports baby? I didn't listen to her.

[Ryan Lemond]

I listened to Fabulous Sports Babe probably every day for several years. She was.

[Matt Jones]

She good.

[Ryan Lemond]

She had great guests. She was kind of entertaining, but like, she'd get a. An athlete on. Like, say you were an athlete. Hey, Matt, you know, Cincinnati Reds and Outfield. What's going on with all that and everything?

[Matt Jones]

That was her question.

[Ryan Lemond]

That would be her question.

[Matt Jones]

What's going with.

[Ryan Lemond]

On. What's going on with all that? You know, what are you doing up there? Was. How is all that?

[Matt Jones]

Doesn't sound like a very good show.

[Ryan Lemond]

No. Well, her interview skills weren't the best, but it was a fun, entertaining show because she usually had a lot of good guests on. I. I listen to it every day.

[Matt Jones]

Ask them a good question.

[Ryan Lemond]

No, but the guests were good. You would take that question and not embarrass her and you'd go ahead and answer it respectfully.

[Matt Jones]

It is interesting that, like, the first national syndicated sports radio show was a woman.

[Ryan Lemond]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think a lot of people realize that, but.

[Ryan Lemond]

And she was not a babe.

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Max is gonna be back in a few weeks.

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Oh, is he?

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Yeah. To come visit. We'll take a break. Or no, we'll see you later. Trivia tonight. We'll see you tomorrow. It's KSR

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