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Hey, if they'll kill a cop and bury him, what are they gonna do to me? What really happened to the missing deputy? Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of Shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts from Netflix and Hulu Comedy Elf Broadway in Lexington welcomes Ashley Gavin February 27th and 28th. Then from TV and the Movies, he's one of the kings of ComEd catch DL Hughley March 6th through the 8th and from the Nate Land Podcast and the grand ole Opry, don't miss Aaron Weber. March 12th through the 14th. For tickets to all Comedy Off Broadway shows, call 859-271-joke or visit comedyoff broadway.com. this is Kentucky sports radio presented by Stockton mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones. Welcome, everyone. It is Kentucky Sports Radio. Monday, February 23rd. I'm Matt Jo. We are in Louisville, Kentucky. Full house in Louisville. Rare, but we are doing it. What do you want me to do, Shannon, Turn your mic down? Well, you're the one that put it here. 859-28022 87. On the Clark's Puppet shop phone line, a vision auto glass text machine is 772-774-5254. In this edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. If you call TJ, he'll make them pay. Guys, good to see you this morning. Rare. We're all in Louisville here. It's snowing in Lexington. It snowed like almost all day yesterday. Snowed again this morning. Really? Is it like, are you all shut down again? No, it's good snow globe snow. It's. Yeah, like my grass is kind of covered. That's it. Nothing on the streets. Okay, good. It didn't. It didn't snow here. I noticed that when pulled in. Yeah. So we're good. Text machine. 772-774-5254. You know, I mean, so like in a day like today, you can go one or two ways. You can say, well, this stinks. And we can just go on and on about how it stinks. Or we could talk about positive things. The hockey game yesterday was fun. Did you watch it? I'm sure Drew did. Did you watch it? I didn't know it till you sent the text. You sent us all in a group text is 3 on 3 for the goals. That's when I turned it on. 3 on 3. So fun. I didn't like it though, that that's how they ended it. Yeah. But like, do hockey purists not like it? Yeah, I think three on three is a good. A good, like, compromise between, you know, I hate soccer, penalty kicks for big things. Feels like at least three on three is actually hockey, right? Yeah, it is. So I enjoy it. What do you think? I mean, quick score like that, but it also makes it to where it's like one on one playmaking. You beat one guy, you've got a chance to. Well, I heard in the pre game that Canada, their top talent is better. So they were like, if it goes to a three on three, Canada will have an advantage because their top guys are a Little better than the scored it came down to. I think they poked at it and we got it. And if it gone the other way, they would have had a 2 on 0 and they probably would have scored. I didn't realize that. Yeah, there were a couple of good looks before the game winner. All in that first two minutes. So this is the United States first gold since the Miracle on Ice in 1980, right? That's exactly amazing. Yeah, well, they, the NHL guys didn't play the last two Olympics. So when the, when they play the younger guys, we don't have a chance. Gotcha. But the, when you get to the NHL guys, sometimes we do. So anyway, we'll talk about that later because it was fun and then. But we got to talk about UK Auburn 885-92-802287. You know, I talked extensively about the game on the postgame show. You can listen to it on podcast. Let's talk about the two things that to me are the biggest story coming out of the game. First of all, Chandler, foul call. Fair or foul? Literally. You may go first. Yeah, I can't argue that it wasn't a foul, but I also can't argue the dude wasn't holding him before the foul. My problem is the guy who called the foul was the farthest away from the. There was one official like right in front of the scores table, perfect view of the play. And there's a phone official handing the ball to the guy out of bounds. Right. Still has a pretty good view, but yet it's the guy the farthest away who's back, you know, kind of almost blocked by the call. He's the one who made the call. That's what I had the problem with that guy making that call at that time. So do you think it was a foul? Yeah. Okay, so you think it can't be that bad, but I don't know if you call it in that situation. Okay. I think it was definitely a flop. The guy flopped as well. But he did. But you're covering all your bases. I know. That's why I think it was such a tough call to make. Answer. Yeah, you've literally said everything involved because he extended his arm. So should it have been a foul at that time of the game? I'd say no. Okay. Drew, I say no. I don't like to reward flopping and grabbing. Anyway, so the moment it's clear that that guy's leaning back and has a whole Chandler. I think you give Cam Chandler a little bit of grace and he does have to extend his arm a little bit at that point when the guys got a hold of him, I wouldn't have called it, especially in that moment. Don't think it should have been called, especially from the guy on the other side of the court, Shannon. I mean, we can cry about fouls all we want. A foul is a foul. I think you call it there. Whether there's 19 minutes left in the game. Such a contrarian. 40 seconds left in the game. 14 seconds left in the game. If it's a foul, then it's a foul. I knew you were going to say that. I could. I just. I know Shannon well enough to know he's taking the in that situation situation to begin with. You put yourself in that situation. No, I agree with that part. To me, it's an egregious call. Not. It is. I can't, like say we got cheated, although someone did. I can't say that because he did extend the arm. Yeah. I think he was being grabbed. So here's what I would say, that every time you have one of those plays, someone grabs the guy. Sure. Every time. And every time. And almost every time someone pushes off. So those are two things that happen almost every time you have this scenario. I think it's. I don't think you call either one unless it's egregious. And I don't think what the Auburn guy did was egregious, but I don't think what Chandler did was egregious. So I think you let it go the best in your incident. There is a no call. I think it's a no call unless you're really holding them or you're really pushing them. Like there was a play somebody put online of Keon Brooks a couple years ago. We had the same situation at Arkansas and he pushed off. And I went back and look, he really pushed off. I don't think Chandler really pushed off. So I don't like to call. I think, you know, people can say, oh, if it's a fail, it's foul. It's timing to me. You do have to consider the time, right? Yeah, you do have to consider the situation. So I think it was a mistake. Now, Shannon's right. We shouldn't have been in that situation. Not have. We should have gotten a rebound at the end. Crazy, right? I mean, so those things also bother me. But it was a bad call, in my opinion. Now I don't think we got cheated. Which gets to part two, which is Pope after the game. I was the pope after the game. Stuff you know, I had to go on the post game show while that stuff was happening. And I was still kind of processing what. The next day I watched it all again. I'm kind of like, what. What was going on there? I mean, he said that the ref. Let's just think about what he said. Put aside all the passive aggressiveness. Let's just think about what came out of his mouth. He said the ref had something personal against him. Yes, he did. He called them mother blankers. And he said that we got cheated. Those are three amazingly strong statements. Are you. I mean, are you surprised? Like, if any other coach in America does that? Like, we're mocking them and going, are you, dude? Sore loser. And a coach calling, like, well, I guess he's not calling the refs, he's calling the sec, I guess mother blankers. I mean, that's a kind of crazy thing to do, right? Yeah, I know. He's. I think he was trying to work the system and not get a. Yeah, I don't think that works. Yeah, I think you're gonna get a fine. I think you should expect to find just saying it through the door on the other side of the wall. Louder. Everyone can hear you. I think still counts. But I was shocked that he was acting that way. I was, too. Have we ever had a coach in a post game do something like that? I was trying to think about that. We've seen coaches mad. We've seen coaches do silly stuff in post games, but have we ever had a coach say we got cheated? No. Never had a coach say that the ref was Cal probably a couple times. Said he thought refereeing was personal. Probably with Higgins, because he did think that. I can't remember anybody else flat out saying they think we got cheated. Not even in football coaches, basketball coaches, women's coaches, nothing. I gotta admit, though, it kind of made me giggle when I saw that video of him running out in the hallway and then yelling that out. Do you think he didn't know? Oh, he knew. He knew exactly what he was doing. Smart. Okay, so if he was intentional, then he's going to get fine. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, he'll get fine. I don't understand why he said, I don't want to do it because I don't want to get fined, and then did it to go get fine. Because he's going to get fine. He's trying to loophole it a little bit. Wouldn't say he knew what he was doing. I wasn't there. But the video and people that were in the room as loud as he said it, it sounded intentional in that room. It's tiny, huh? So of course he was gonna get hurt. Maybe he thought nobody still had their tape rolling. Microphones were turned off. No, I mean, he thought. Of course he did. He wanted to be hurt. But, you know, when he was on the podium, he said, like you said personally, he had like four or five different things on the podium. Comment was bizarrely passive aggressive. It was, you know, I'm not saying, look, I love my wife. I wouldn't say anything bad about her. Even if she nags me and does it. Like, that's the kind of thing. Yeah, that's sort of what he was. He was doing there. You know, we've seen them some. Some bizarre behavior from him after losses this season, you think? And it's gone completely, like, from being just mopey baby butt to, like, angry baby. But after the Arkansas game. Listen, I feel like I've say this all the time because people. I like Pope. I do, too. His behavior after games has been bizarre this year. Yeah, it has. And I spent all yesterday because the game was so late at night. I think a lot of people yesterday, everyone I know, literally in the national media was that I. That I'm friends with was like, what was that like? Objectively, if you're not one of us, Shannon, it looks like bizarre behavior. Yeah, yeah. Whining. I mean, going out in the hallway and saying, mitch. I mean, yeah, we would make fun of that if there were any. Of course we would make fun. Of course we would. That would be like, I want you to go back to Louisville years and think if Rick walked out the hall and said, tom, you can't say anything but we got cheated by those mother blinkers, we'd be like, definitely. That's why it made me giggle when I first saw it. Like, oh, come on. Really? You did this? I was just shocked about it. And now I do think that call was wrong. I would not say we got cheated. No, they didn't lose the game because of that call. They didn't call any fouls that whole game. They could have fouled both those teams out twice. Yeah, those teams were beating the crap out of each other, and they basically were letting it go, which I thought was at least consistent. But then that last call didn't fit that style of officiating, you know? Yeah. And I'm in the camp that thinks it's a bad call, but it's very clear Pope's message and his beliefs. So that we got cheated and you know, with Ortega posting it and some comments, well, now the whole team is going to feel emboldened to say we got. Yeah, but I don't. I don't like that. Like, yeah, it was a bad call, but did you have that same energy when you went locker room and said, Brandon Garrison, did you have quicksand on your feet on that last play? Like, they had plenty of problems that weren't that call. And I hope he addresses those two and just crying the whole way home, because one call, like, UK had a lot of second half issues that I hope he is not just excusing and forgetting about on the way home because of that one call. I hope he is equally upset that they went 11 minutes with two field goals. And I always think this, like, do you think the officials are going to, like, be more sympathetic to us after he went in the press conference and said they got cheated? No, they were. And that they were mother. You know, effers and like, I. I can't think that's going to make things better. No, it won't at all. Especially we get that guy again, which will probably have him again. Certainly get him again. He does a lot of SEC games. I don't get the personal thing. Like, maybe you hate a bad call. Like, do y' all have history we don't know about? Courtney Green has done a ton of UK games. I. The next time I see him, I'm going to go, dude, why did you call that? I know him well enough to say that. But, like, why did Pope say it was personal? Yeah. Well, what could it be? It's a pretty big allegation there. If you think that you two have something between you and he brought that to the game, what would the personal thing be? I don't know. Like, what could they be mad about? Shannon, Those are two perfectly pleasant people. Yeah. I don't feel like they hang out, though, outside of basketball. You think they had, like, a bad game of checkers? Chess. Chess, not checkers. Come on. Maybe Courtney wanted to play checkers. Yeah. And Pope was like, I can beat you in chess. They played checkers, Courtney won, and now he's back. Maybe he's like, I'm gonna get you in that Auburn game. Double jumped at the end to lose. He did. Yeah. Like, what a way to go out. King me. Yeah. I just feel like if you're a really good team and you should have won and this is just one loss and hurts you. Okay. Maybe you got cheated. Kentucky's very flawed. They have plenty of problems. They should be focusing on other than a push I only had players really play. Yeah, I mean Aberdeen and away. How about Aberdeen? Dude, I, I, I'm going to just tell you. I'm, I'm Mr. Aberdeen. Yep, he and oh, the two of them carried us on their back. Yeah, they did and they deserve I wish we had a one cuz I wish we'd won. But I also wish they both should get the PR like Aberdeen especially once we found out he was sick after the game. He played 38 minutes and didn't practice for a couple days. I wish that last inbound had gone to him. So let's get back to that. There was, there was really no inbounds play. Well, let's, let's, we'll talk the specifics. Okay, let's take a break. 859-280-2287 It's Matt Jones and these two mothers sitting here with me. We'll be right back. DraftKings Sportsbook puts you right in the middle of basketball's biggest star driven moments. Whether it's regular season all star, they can bet player props bet live. 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We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping in another world. Inside Charlie's black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk. Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him. From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's place. A story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. What about that way of saying Shannon Mother Blank? Yeah, I didn't think that Mark Pope even said those words. Well, he, he only said mother. Mother's okay, right? Yeah, but didn't he say the. No, he. I think he said mother. And then he said F. F And then the. He. He left out three letters. Oh, okay. Well, is that all Right. I. I guess. I don't know. I mean, he censored himself. Yeah. I don't think Mitch would appreciate it if he said the other three. Look, I don't know who took that picture, but the look from the side where you see Rock Oliver and then Mitt and the look on Mitch's face is so Mitch Barnhart. Like he just bit into a sour lemon. That's exactly what it looked like. And he was just like, what verse writes. Matt, we did have Cal once say we cheated or got cheated at Texas A and M, the Isaac Humphreys game. He said it in the locker room after the game. Well, yeah, that. That. I think we. That's the one game in history. I think we've been cheated in two games. That's the most blatant cheat because they definitely didn't need to call that correct. And then I do think we got cheated in the 2017 North Carolina game. But that wasn't to the media though. I mean that was to his team. I bet it happens a lot to the team. It seems like our fan base is split. Half the fan base things. That's why we lost the game was that call. The other half are like, well, you messed up many times leading up. Well, but both those things can be true. We. We don't lose that game probably without that call. But we also shouldn't have been in that situation. Like that's. That's. I think Drew, both those things can be true. Absolutely. I'm mad about the cause, Mallet, the ref. I think they would have won if they hadn't called it. But I'm also mad that you're up nine and blow it. And I'm mad that a certain person is in the game and can't finish a basic tip in or leave his feet to try to get a game winning rebound. Those things stick out to me just as much as the call. Jonathan says, hey, Matt and Drew, y' all act like Pope is hurting us against the refs. Let's be real. It hasn't been the same since Yalls fiasco with a certain wrath. And that's a fact. Yeah, it's certainly our fault. Anything that's not right, it's probably ksr, Matt and Drew's fault. Probably like it's not when we don't recruit. We ran Cal off. It wasn't losing to St. Peter's in Oakland. It was a radio show. The fact we have no recruits, it's not the fault of like the coaching or the administration. It's. It's Ryan. Ryan's playing a big role in. In the. In the recruiting. Right. And when we didn't box out and get the final rebound, like, you could go, oh, why wasn't Garrison in position? What was Chandler looking at? Actually, it's Shannon. Shannon was the one that did it. I should have gotten that rebound. I'll remind you before, if you think it changed with officials in 2017. Do you remember why Drew and I were claiming we're complaining about the officials because we had just gotten a game stolen from us? Was that our fault, too? Come on. I just. Come on. This is a powerful radio show, but we don't move mountains. I don't think Courtney Green listens to this show. I think they were in a huddle, the rest. Courtney Green likes me. Courtney Green is literally the only ref he should listen. That, like, speaks to me. I kind of know him, and I'm going to say next time I saw him, what in the world were you doing? Courtney Green? Careful on the other side. No, I'm not. Go read Higgins vs. KSR and read what the judge said. He said we didn't do anything wrong. He said maybe we didn't have the most tact, but he said we didn't do anything wrong. And he noted that all the bad things that had to happen to somebody happened before Drew and I even went on the air. Okay, enough of that. Jonathan. John. John. Just go by John. I apologize for my role in the loss. Whatever. I should be ashamed. Big Blue Nation. I even bet on us to win. I was confident I lost money on that game. So whatever I did on the court, my apologies. All right, so let's talk about on the court. Away was great. I thought OA was excellent. Had very few mistakes. Most, I mean, missed maybe one layup, but in general, hit some tough ones. Yeah, he did. I. You know, he missed that free throw. That's sometimes. But, like, that's a nitpicking. He was great. Denzel. Aberdeen. I thought even though he missed shots early, hit some big shots down the stretch, those two threes kept us in the game. Yeah. Made those free throws on the play before that put us up three. I thought he was great, and I thought diabate gave us some energy. Although he gets the ball sometimes, and it's like, this is going up hell or high water. And when you say go up, light the game. He's throwing it up. Oh, it's bang. Just throw it as hard as he can against the backboard. So I don't know what. Nobody else brought their name Say about Brandon Garrison, he's the most frustrating player in my 20 years of doing this. I, you know, I hate to say that, but it's just true. He is. I was thinking, has there been a player since I've been. When I was a kid first as a youngster, Rob Locke drove me crazy. Yeah, Rob Locke. I can remember my grandfather going roblox. And Mike Sutton. Yeah, Mike Sutton drove my grandfather crazy. The Mantle got picked up by for me with Jared Prickett missing layups. My grandfather, I can still remember him sitting there with lung cancer going doc it at Jared Prickett. Then over the years it's always. It always seems like it's a big guy. Yeah. My grandfather had Nazir Muhammad. He didn't like had that R and didn't like Nazir Young. He loved him by the end. I think we even had a frame picture of him in the living room. But when he was still fat. It's usually big guys. Cause they have to play like guards usually don't play if they're not very good. But a big guy might still play even if he's struggling, right? Yeah. Just not quite ready. He's in there because he's big and so. So then we actually had a long period where I didn't really have one. You know some people didn't like Jamel Martinez. I liked his mustache. Jamal Martinez. By the way, a lot of people don't know top 10 all time in UK and free throw percentage and mustaches but free throw percent. You wouldn't think that for a bit. Realize that then I guess maybe I got. I used to get frustrated at scal Scout was a frustrating. That was like a sympathetic frustrated. It was, but it was frustrating. Shouldn't have been number one in that class. But Brandon Garrison frustrates me a lot. And post planning. All you gotta do is read our group chat. Yeah, group chat's really funny. Become my favorite thing during the game. Yeah, we're not reading. We're not reading Matt or Matt's thoughts on Garrison this game. I mean that's the most text you've sent in the game. I think you were up preempt that one. It's like a stream of consciousness of just you just. And that's just. I'm filtering what I send to you. I think what hurts Garrison too is there have been games where we've seen him do it. Yeah. Like he's had games where like oh, that's your ceiling. Well, that looks pretty good. And then you have games like at Auburn where it's like, why are you even in. And if you go watch that last play, he does not move at any point. He doesn't move on the block. He does. They get two rebounds. He does not move and he is not next to the rim. That last, the last shot was over Chandler because Chandler was having to try to box his man out. Where was he and what I mean. Well, all right, we'll take the calls when we come back. 859-280-2287. KSR T.J. smith, personal injury attorney. Call T.J. he'll make him pay. Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones. Welcome back Techie Sports Radio. People are giving their players over the years that had the frustration a lot of votes for Ashton Hagans. I was pro. Aston Hagens. Yeah. You know, it's funny, most of your guys you're frustrated with are big guys. Most of mine are like little point guards who've beers been severe. Wheeler for sure was the top of my list. Yeah. Ryan, you didn't like him? No, I felt bad for Ryan Harrell because I think there was more like other stuff. I think you're right with him. Yeah, Severe was frustrating. Very frustrating. I always liked Iceland Hagens. I didn't have that same. His career didn't end very well here, but up to that point he was pretty successful. Yeah, there weren't a lot of cow guys. I mean, there were cow guys I didn't think were good, but I didn't get frustrated at him. I usually would end up feeling sorry for him. I think part of what's frustrating about Garrison is he struggles so much and he's so loud, like in confident. So the question is why is he. What happened? Colin Chandler was awful too in the second and that was his worst half of the year. Five turnovers and a half. And couldn't hit a bucket. Couldn't hit anything. Yeah, he had the big steal that got the go at Lee. But if not for that, that was a terrible. And his, his forced entry passes to Malachi that got stolen back to back is kind of what fueled Auburn's run. I will say there at the end when Malachi got his hand on the ball again before he bobbled it on that 1.7, I was like, oh God, is he. Is Malachi gonna get a second look? That would have been because he got his hands on it. Just couldn't hold on to it. Garrison also missed that little layup at the end. That was, that was so bad. That was just waiting on the rim for anyone to come tap that in. Our equipment manager could have gone and finished that. Yeah. Indiana has hired Indiana NBA executive Ryan Carr, a highly respected NBA executive, to run their be the general manager of their basketball team. By the way, there are people in college basketball would tell you the last two schools to really understand what they need to do from a GM perspective where Kentucky and Indiana and now Indiana has. So we have no more excuses. And the fact they're doing it right now says, hey, they know it's almost time because we have to go do this. They went and hired an MBA professional guy. We have to do it. And if people's ego at uk, whether it's code, the coaching staff or the athletics department prevents it, that is egregious. It's so confusing for me. We're so up to date on modern basketball. Why are we not jumping on this opportunity? Because I think it's because like when you're very smart, this is the downside of being smart. And I can, I've done this. You have to know what you don't know or you have to know how to delegate. And that's a hard thing for people who are control freaks to do. Caliperi didn't want to do it. And Pope in his own way, I think is the same way. It's like, I got this, man. I got it. Now you're the last one standing that doesn't have one, doesn't have it. And like you have to look and go, okay, I guess I don't have it. Yes. So let's go to Sawyer. Go ahead, Sawyer. Hey, Matt, first time caller who are just wanted to get Yalls thoughts on something that's been bothering me over the course of this season. I think it really goes back to this time at byu. It just seems like Mark Pope's teams have a really bad habit of playing to the level of their opponents. Yeah, you know, we go on the road to Florida and it's a single digit game and then lose the next two to some of the worst teams in the conference. And it just feels like the root of that inconsistency is that we sometimes play down to the level of our opponents and just wanted to kind of get y' all thoughts on that. I think that's certainly the case. And it's been the case. I appreciate the call. I mean, it's been the case forever. That's what, that's what, what happens. We have, we don't, we don't win blowouts unless we're playing really bad Teams and with the way our schedule played out, these were two games where you had a chance to help yourself before you go on the road at A and M and host Vandy in Florida coming up. I remember the worst team in the conference right now is Mississippi State and we played them at home and we're down double digits at one point. South Carolina just beat them Saturday. South Carolina got out of their seven game losing streak just in time for us. Yeah, well, they have 97 points. They did. Their whole starting five is pretty balanced. It was like 16 points. We can't lose. We'll spend a lot of time tomorrow talking about we cannot lose Tuesday. No, cannot. Jay and Lyndon, go ahead. Hey, Matt, I. I'm really conflicted on Pope last year. I thought every press conference who smartest guy in the room this year at times he's been not confident. Honestly said some bizarre things. And I guess what I'm asking you. The landscape has changed so much and I don't mean just nil. I looked at this this weekend because I'm a nerd. The AP top 25 at the end of the Raider season, Cal's first seven years, only five times there was one other SEC team in the top 25 besides us. In two of those years it was two. Last year there were eight teams from the SEC in the top. Yeah, the SEC is much better. Much better. But my point, easy in the house. I'm not saying that. Do I accept losing but do I just accept it's going to be tougher? Well, okay, I'm. Well, it's. It's tougher. But here's my. Here's my counter to that. Somebody's winning. Alabama, Florida and Tennessee are winning most years. Why can't we? End of story. Right? It is harder and yes, the winning team is going to have more losses, but last year we were the seven seed in the SEC tournament. We're progressing right now to be the non seed in the SEC tournament. Is it too much for me to ask that we be in the top four? No. But what was our complaint with California? His non conference schedule was watered down and weak. I mean, should Pope have. That is good. Do we need a weaker non conference based on how good the SEC is? Now that's a fair question. I appreciate the call. I don't know the answer to that. I like them playing those games because here's the thing about playing those games. The reason we're projected today in bracketology is a seven seed is because we played all those good games. One thing I give The NCAA tournament credit for is unlike the college football playoffs, sometimes, Drew, they actually give you credit for playing good teams. So we are 17 and 10, which some years in the past being 17 and 10, you wouldn't even be projected in the tournament. But we are because we played such a good non conference and because the SEC is so good. So I think the way they do the schedule now, losing to bad team, losing to good teams doesn't hurt you. What hurts you is losing to bad teams, which is why we can't lose to South Carolina. Yeah. And on the SEC argument, there's no one saying SEC's not better off than they were. It's definitely better conference. But Florida has two losses right now. Auburn, national championship. Auburn had three losses last year. I think Alabama, the year before that, maybe three. Like someone's still winning the conference and only losing a couple of games. It's just not us. And part of the reason is why these teams are winning the conference now is Kentucky's gone down and those are wins they're getting that they weren't used to having on their resume. I think that's a perfect explanation. Joseph, Go ahead, Joseph. Hey, Matt. Bad lost again, Matt. We were at nine points. I know the rest had made a lot of bad calls, but you should have been up a lot more there. Chandler was awful in the second half with his five turnovers. Not much hope for this season. We just got hope for football that it's better. Well, I appreciate the call. What, what, what do you think happened with Chandler there at the end? First of all, would you have inbounded the ball to him? Well, he's a good free throw shooter. You want to get him or Aberdeen were set up to try to get it. I just, they just didn't run a play. They didn't run him off a screen or something. I mean, so holding your. Remember, we've had this problem all year on those. You know, obviously we ran the great play that got Malachi the shot against lsu. But if you remember, there were a lot of games earlier in the year where we would have trouble getting the ball inbound. Yes. On a full court thing we like that's happened and it's because I can't believe it's the same thing that Cal used to do. They just hold an arm up in the air. Why? I don't know if it didn't work. Going to try to work this time. You're posting up a guy 80ft away from the basket. Yeah, I don't under. I don't understand I mean, think about how many times now when we in ball bound the ball under our basket, we just throw it to the other end of the court. Yeah, heave it. I. I don't understand. When I saw that we're going to have to inbound at full court, I thought to myself, run something. Yes. And they had Chandler on one side with his left hand up and Aberdeen on the other side with his right hand up. And because of the way that the, you know, the bass. The goal is, throwing it to Aberdeen is kind of a tricky pass. So he ends up having to throw it to Chandler. And look, I mean, Chandler is a good free throw shooter. I hope he would have made them, but I think Aberdeen had just made two. I probably would have gone, you know, he just hit. I trust really either one of those guys. I just hated how they got on the ball. And also in that spot when the other team's desperate. That flop is like kind of one of the only things they can do when the clock's ticking and you're just trading free throws and foul in there. So you also have to have your guard up on. Your man is probably going to attempt that flop because it's really one of the only things they can do. 859-280-2287. Did you send the edge? I did, yeah. 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People were very hard on Julius Mays even though he was in Andrew Harrison. But. But those weren't mine. For me. For me I think if you look, there are two sets of players that frustrate Matt Jones. Big guys who won't dunk and miss layups. That drives me crazy. And then people who aren't as good as they think they are and need to be like, the third or fourth option and make themselves the first option. Yeah, that drives me nuts. And Briscoe was one. Briscoe was on a team with Fox, and bam. And he would call his own number, and I'd be like, dude still has one of three triple doubles in UK history, which is an amazing stat. Yeah. Because he called his number so many times. I liked covering Isaiah Briscoe because we would go in the locker room, we would be two feet from him, about to interview him, and he would turn to UK and be like, I don't want to talk to these people. Right in our faces. And he'd be like, great. This is going to be a fun conversation. Yeah. So those would be the one for me. I'm also upset we lost because I thought Tom Hart came up with a great name for Colin Chandler. Hoppy Chandler. Yeah. And it may not stick because we lost, but that's a great name. Hoppy Chandler. You know, Tom didn't hide his feelings, too. In that last play, that foul play, he's like, how can you call that? At that time, he was. You know, you shouldn't have called it. He shouldn't have called it. But we shouldn't have been in that position. No. And. And when you get in position, you should try to jump to get a rebound. Your feet should leave the floor to potentially win the game with a rebound. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you don't just want to just stand there and watch it. No. I thought he played okay, but Malachi's got to get stronger in the off season. Grabbing the ball. Yeah, he gets the ball taken from him way too much. So does yellow bitch. Yes. They're both soft when it comes to. They get the ball taken from them a lot. Both those guys, you couldn't play yellowchen this game. That's why. But I want him to play because he can shoot. So he gives us an option, but he's not physical enough. And against the sec, I don't care who the team is. Every team in the SEC has a couple guards that can beat you off the dribble. And a physical big. They all have it. And that's what we have to have. Those guys. We have to have those guys because every other team, even if they're not talented, they have that, you know, that's why Pope went out and got diabate. And he does, he does. Okay. But he can't score. Right. Who's up next? Your choice there. Who you want, who you want, who you got. Yeah, sorry, I'm losing my. I lost stupid hits. Go ahead. Yeah, Scott. There we go. Hey, fellas. I'm just, I have some mind boggling. Like I'm just so mind boggled by these Mark Pope stats I look at over the last two years. There's good and bad. If I can read some of them off real quick, quickly. Yes. Like Mark Pope. Yeah. Mark Pope started three and over top 10 teams. With a team he built in a month, he still has the record. He's tied for the record for most top 15 wins last year. Eight. We're four and one versus Tennessee. Our biggest rivalry in two years. He's. He's got three ranked wins this year versus top 25 teams. All good stats, right? Two on the road. There's some crazy bad ones. Like we've been down 20 plus eight times since he's been our coach. We lost to Georgia twice. That hasn't happened in over 100 years. Since 1921, 22. He has the same record as Billy G. 33 and 17 his first 50 games. We have zero recruits next year. One more quick one. We've been down 80% of the games, down 10 plus with teams that were considered competitive. You know those, those good division teams. And we've come back and won five of those. Yeah. No, I mean it is weird. It's feast or famine with him. I mean, he has your. That's a great point. I appreciate the call. He has some amazing stats historically and some awful ones. And you go, well, how do you produce both of those? And I don't know the answer to that. They were leading at halftime at Auburn on Saturday. You know, I think we were shocked that they did that. Then they go up by nine in the second half against Auburn. Let me ask you a question. If I were to pull the fan maze, do you think Shannon the fan base would be probably. Or con marks Pope's post game antics after the game. Con. I think for the most part people don't like it. What do you think? Very con. I think people would like it better if he would have just set at the podium. It's like the juvenile. Like I'm going to say it but not say it. Kind of like playing a little immature game there. I think if he just sat down into the microphone like we got cheated, people would have gotten behind It a little more. What do you think? Definitely con. Like I said, it made me laugh. See, there was more pro cinnamon online than I would have thought. So let's do this the easiest way. I've said the best sample of this fan base is the text machine. Yeah. So let me just. All I want you to write is if you thought what Mark Pope did after the game was. Was good, you cheered it on pro. If you didn't, con. Okay. And let's just look during the break. 772-774-5254 will compare what they say. I think most of it comes off of, you know, the fact that it's a loss. Yes. Well, clearly then I think it would be. But there are fans out there who think we got cheated. And so, I mean, Mario shaking his head. Mario, you're pro or con? No, no. Pro or con. The way what Mark said after. So he was pro. So that's four con, one pro. Let's see what it is with fans. I think you're going to. I think there's going to be more pro than people think. Although I probably leans con. But I think it's going to be more than you think. I think there were people that like did. I'm with Drew, though. If you want to say cheated, say it as they would say. Say it with your chest. Commit to it. Commit to the bit. You know, you want to call them mothers. Just like I always say. Say it to, you know, say it to my face. You don't need to type it. Say it. So say it. Mark. I don't think anybody was going to hear him when he's just stepped outside in the hallway. You don't think anybody heard it? No. Yeah. I think he forgot. By the way, you looked up Courtney Green. Who. He said it was personal. Yeah. Every game he'd ever done of Kentucky's in the Pope era, we had won. Yeah. Big Blue history has the referee page. He did both Oklahoma games last year. We enjoyed those. And the Tennessee game last year. Those were his three with Pope and UK before this season and they won all three. Where's the personal part come in? Did something happen early in the game we don't know about? I don't know. It is odd. Oh, excuse me. He also did the Duke game. So four. No, four pretty big wins all that. I mean, he did Duke, Tennessee and the two Oklahoma games last year. Yeah. According to Big Blue history. We only have pretty good history. Sounds like to me they were buddies. Maybe they're getting a good whistle and then maybe Something happened. We have five straight wins with him as until Saturday, according to Big Blue history. Shout out. Big Blue History. That's weird. It is interesting, though. Personal. You don't hear that a lot. No, I know Cal used to think Mr. Plaintiff was it was personal, but you don't hear that a lot. All right, we'll take a break, be back hour two. We'll talk a little hockey. Win. This is the story of the 1. As the purchasing manager at a manufacturing plant, she knows the only thing more important than having the right safety gear is having it there when you need it. That's why she partners with Grainger for auto reordering, so her team members can count on her to have cut resistant gloves on hand and each shift can run safely and efficiently. 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