2026-02-23- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

KSR - Hour 2 – February 23, 2026
Host: Matt Jones and the KSR Crew

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a range of topics beyond the usual Kentucky basketball analysis. The hosts reflect on significant sports moments (especially the USA-Canada Olympic hockey showdown), discuss tragic and tense news stories (including the death of former NFL player Rondale Moore and cartel violence in Mexico), and share some pointed stories from the college basketball media world. Listener calls spark honest conversations about UK’s season, fan attitudes, painful diseases, and the challenges of big coaching jobs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Olympic Hockey: Patriotism, Pain, and Poignancy

• The hosts reflect on the intense USA vs. Canada Olympic hockey game. They praise its drama and the unifying power of Olympic sports.
  • “It was awesome. Great tent. Third period was tense.” — Matt Jones [04:24]
  • “That picture [of Jack Hughes] with the American flag draped around him is just perfect. Perfect.” — Drew Franklin [05:41]
  • A touching story about Johnny Goudreau (aka "Johnny Hockey"), his tragic family history, and the team honoring his children with the team photo.
  • The segment celebrates how Olympic moments transcend sports knowledge: “You get so into it…you don’t know much about the roster, but you get so into it.” — Justin [07:06]
  • The hosts lament that the game, which had so many “poetic” storylines, wasn’t aired in primetime for wider viewership.

2. Tragedy: Remembering Rondale Moore

• The sudden, apparent suicide of former Purdue and NFL player Rondale Moore (age 25) is discussed with emotion and concern.
  • “Just terrible, sad story. Broke my heart when I heard this yesterday…He is without a doubt, one of the top, maybe top five high school football players ever to come out of this state.” — Drew Franklin [08:50]
  • The hosts urge listeners to seek help if struggling and send prayers to Moore’s community and family.
  • Details about Moore's injuries and NFL challenges are shared to provide context.

3. News from Mexico: Cartel Chaos Hits Close to Home

• After a Mexican cartel boss is killed in Puerto Vallarta, chaos erupts, directly affecting friends of the show.
  • “My best friend of 40 years is there right now, hunkered down in a resort…We all got that friend group text. ‘Y’all good down there?’ He sends a video of the smoke, and it’s not far away.” — Justin [11:04]
  • Discussion of how cartel power balances are upset (“When you take him out, rival gangs are trying to take over”) and why tourists are often left alone — but the unease remains real for those present.
  • “There’s a lot of people listening to this that probably have some sort of relationship with him or know him...That’s just a tragic, tragic story, and I hate to hear it.” — Matt Jones [09:30] (re: Moore, also reflective of the Mexico segment)

4. Media Grievances and Bracketology Feud (with Seth Davis)

• Matt recounts a Twitter spat with CBS’s Seth Davis over whether Sunday championship games count in NCAA bracket decisions.
  • “Seth Davis gets in this debate online with Mike Rutherford, and he’s being a jerk… It annoyed me that he was like, you little peasants. You don't remember, I, Seth Davis? I do.” — Matt Jones [15:43]
  • The hosts provide their experiences from mock bracketing events, highlight inconsistencies in public statements, and reveal lingering bitterness due to previous reporting by Davis on Drew and Matt.
  • Memorable quote: “He’s the one that broke the story that Drew and I were getting sued…He wrote the story that was not just like we were being accused — he wrote that Drew and I did it. … And then when we won the lawsuit, [he said] ...‘we’re not going to write a story about this.’” — Matt Jones [18:07]
  • The crew calls out “media snobbery,” and Matt shares texts as receipts.

5. Kentucky Basketball: Fan Apathy, the Road Ahead, and Coaching Pressure

• Multiple callers and hosts vent about the frustration and “apathy” in UK basketball fandom:
  • “Used to look forward to watching Kentucky games…it was the best day of the week. Now it’s just like, can this game get over?” — Caller Justin [28:28]
  • Episodes of inconsistent substitutions and lineup management are dissected.
  • Discussion of how many more games UK must win to be safely in the NCAA tournament:
    • “I think we only have to make [win] one to definitely make the tournament. But I do think we have to win one. I’m going to say we go two and two.” — Matt Jones [33:01]
    • All hosts agree 2-2 over the final stretch is most likely, but if UK loses the next, “they are going 0-4.”
• SEC tournament potential for UK playing on Wednesday (unusual, possibly humiliating for the program).
  • “I just want you to think about a Wednesday 1PM SEC tournament game — general admission, $10… that would be insane.” — Matt Jones [36:41]
  • Nostalgia for UK’s prior national prominence: “I miss the intimidation, I miss being in the conversation…none of that has happened in a while and it’s not going to happen this year.” — Justin [45:48]
• Pope as coach: debate around the adequacy of time given, benchmarks for next season, and the dangerous “blaming the fans” path.
  • “When you start blaming the fans, you’re on a path towards it not working.” — Matt Jones [39:45]
  • Viewers debate whether Mark Pope’s recent comments targeted UK’s own fans or opposing fans.

6. Lighthearted Segments: Music, Diseases, and Odd News

• Review of Bourbon & Beyond festival lineups and light ribbing about Tim McGraw and country music.
• Charlie Crockett, former KSR guest, is denied entry into Canada for an old minor drug charge; the hosts discuss Canada’s strict rules and the surreal aspects of border enforcement.
  • “He posted what they sent him. It says life in prison for marijuana? I thought you could smoke wherever you wanted in Canada.” — Matt Jones [31:46]
• The crew attempts to define shingles and gout, admitting to confusion over their symptoms and spread.
  • “Shingles is one of those diseases that I hear about, and I don't totally know what it is.” — Matt Jones [46:21]
  • “I know someone that has gout… I kind of think, look, be careful who you're with. Have some discretion. And that's…No, that's not it.” — Matt Jones [48:32]

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Memorable Quotes

• “If you’re a hockey player and you have your teeth, you’re a wimpy hockey player.” — Shannon Dawson [06:07]
• “It could have been a country music video…main guy lost two teeth and is bleeding out of his mouth, smiling with the American flag!” — Matt Jones [05:23]
• “If you’re having problems, man, don’t be afraid to reach out and talk to somebody.” — Drew Franklin [09:00] (re: Rondale Moore)
• “When you start blaming the fans, you’re on a path towards it not working.” — Matt Jones [39:45]
• “I miss the intimidation…none of that has happened in a while and it’s not going to happen this year.” — Justin [45:48]

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Notable Timestamps

• 04:00 – Start of Hour 2; switch to non-UK basketball topics.
• 04:20–07:38 – Hockey reflection, Jack Hughes, Johnny Goudreau, and Olympics fever.
• 08:17–09:30 – Discussion of Rondale Moore’s tragic death and its impact.
• 10:04–13:37 – Cartel violence in Puerto Vallarta; personal stories from the hosts’ friends.
• 13:52–19:18 – Seth Davis bracket feud, media responsibility, and the story of the John Higgins lawsuit.
• 28:24–29:45 – Callers express “fan apathy” and frustration with UK’s basketball season.
• 31:14–32:22 – Charlie Crockett denied entry to Canada for minor marijuana charge.
• 33:01–37:57 – SEC Tournament seeding, Wednesday games, and implications for UK.
• 39:13–40:44 – Comments on Pope, fan blame, and lessons from other coaches.
• 46:11–49:38 – Shingles and gout discussion—painful, poorly understood, and relatable.
• 50:32–51:02 – Caller ‘Cam’ admits apathy and disappointment in the state of UK basketball.

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Overall Tone & Notes

The hosts’ tone is candid, sometimes irreverent, and always loyal to both Kentucky and their listeners. The episode blends heavy moments (loss, violence, mental health) with the usual banter, insightful sports talk, and a healthy dose of self-deprecation. The calls and quick pivots between topics showcase the show’s unique community feel.

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For New Listeners

This hour serves as a great example of KSR’s unfiltered approach: sports, real-world news, personal stories, and honest fandom—seasoned with plenty of Kentucky flavor. Whether you missed the show or want a sense of current local sports culture, this episode delivers both heart and humor, staying true to KSR’s roots.

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[Shannon Dawson]

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back our two Kentucky Sports Radio 859-280-2287. We got folks on the phone. I'm going to get back to UK Auburn in a minute. But you know we can't just do all two hours of this. I wanted to talk about a couple other things. Some fun at least. One not fun. Hockey. You watched the last of it.

[Drew Franklin]

Exciting.

[Matt Jones]

Exciting.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't even know a lot about hockey, but to see that the way it ended like that for the United States was pretty cool.

[Matt Jones]

It was awesome. Great tent. Third period was tense. Shannon, did you watch it?

[Shannon Dawson]

Saw the end of it? Yeah. Didn't watch the entire thing.

[Matt Jones]

Did you watch the third period I had it on.

[Justin]

I was dialed in, but not completely.

[Matt Jones]

Just very intense. Just back and forth. Canada dominated the third period and just got shot after shot on us. And our goalie was like. And he, like, stopped it.

[Drew Franklin]

It was.

[Matt Jones]

It was great. It was awesome. You also see the whole country thing because I know. You know, I know the Carolina Hurricanes. And we had. We had a Hurricane on the. On the Canada team and on America team, and they hit each other.

[Drew Franklin]

Really?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Two teammates. One was. They were like, look, different countries.

[Drew Franklin]

That's right. Playing for your country.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. And then the guy, Jack Hughes. I mean, it's almost. It could have been a country music video. Shannon.

[Drew Franklin]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

The. The guy, Jack Hughes, who. When I went to the Carolina Hurricanes Devils game, I got tickets right behind the Devil's Bench. I have, like. He was right in front of me. He dates somebody famous.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, he does.

[Matt Jones]

And they're. All the little girls were going crazy for him. That's the guy who got the shot. He gets the winning shot. He had lost two of his teeth. What a perfect hockey thing. The main guy has lost two teeth and is bleeding out of his mouth. And he smiles with the American flag. Come on. What are you going to do?

[Drew Franklin]

That picture him with American flag draped around him is just perfect. Perfect.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Justin]

That's like an iconic image.

[Matt Jones]

That's. That's going to last forever.

[Justin]

Like, if you're a hockey player and you're having that moment, don't you want your front teeth?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

You want two of your.

[Matt Jones]

It's the only time in life you would want two of your front teeth. Shannon knocked out. Right.

[Shannon Dawson]

I would say that would be a great endorsement to have as a hockey player.

[Drew Franklin]

Player.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Because then you can. That's exactly right. The cosmetic dentist that does your teeth.

[Shannon Dawson]

Like there's any. If you're a hockey player and you have your teeth, you're a wimpy hockey player.

[Caller]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

That's true.

[Shannon Dawson]

We'll kind of frown on you. You got all your teeth. What are you doing?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And then. What a sweet moment. Johnny Goudreau.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Who they call Johnny Hockey. You remember, he was the guy that died. He and his brother were riding bikes.

[Justin]

The wedding.

[Matt Jones]

At the. At the other brother's wedding, they both died. He. He was. He's good and was on the Olympic team. Obviously, they brought. They brought his kids and they took the team picture with the kids.

[Drew Franklin]

It was cool. Had his jersey out there.

[Matt Jones]

How cool is that? They showed his parents after the game.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You know, the announcers were crying. Mike Tirico was given, like, a speech. Like, it was like. It was awesome. It was. That was sports and television at its absolute best. Yesterday morning, if it had been in prime time, that would have gotten, like, highest ratings ever.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

It was just so early in the morning. Some people were at church, so they might not have seen it, but yeah,

[Justin]

I mean, those kids were adorable. They've been carrying that jersey around with them for the whole run. I mean, that's been a big part of the story when it. On the exact date of the miracle anniversary. I mean, there's so many poetic things to leading that gold that it was one of those. Those moments like the World cup and the Olympics, we just all get. I don't know much about the roster, even what I'm looking at, but you get so into it.

[Matt Jones]

I was. I wish that had been in primetime. That would have been a great unifying moment. It's just because it was in the morning. I think not everybody saw it, but still very cool.

[Drew Franklin]

That's what makes the Olympics special, man. Like Drew said, I didn't know one player on the United States team, but I saw they had USA on. So I'm pulling like crazy for him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And the guy who won the. His brother's on the team. They got. There's two brothers.

[Justin]

I like the scenes of, like, there was a bar in Miami of Ohio. Looked like a million people in there throwing stuff around at 10 in the morning. Yeah, you just don't get that at many sporting events.

[Matt Jones]

Very cool. And. Yeah, so I enjoyed it. Now, a couple other things. Well, let's do one sad thing. Rondell Moore from Trinity High School played at Purdue, played in the NFL. Died of it. Sounds like suicide, right?

[Drew Franklin]

What they're saying.

[Matt Jones]

How awful. 25 years old. I mean, just terrible. Played at Trinity under with the Brahms.

[Justin]

He played for Brahm at Purdue.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, just terrible. I remember that famous game where Purdue played Ohio State at night and beat him. And he was like a freshman and he was like a revelate. You were like, who is this guy? I mean, he was insane. Just a little dude, just everywhere. Just a terrible, sad story.

[Drew Franklin]

Broke my heart when I heard this yesterday, because he is without a doubt, one of the top, maybe top five high school players, football players ever to come out of this state.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, he was just really. You would say that.

[Drew Franklin]

He was just excited. He was great. He could have gone anywhere. And he followed Jeff Braum to Purdue, became a superstar up there in the NFL. And, man, it just breaks my heart to be so Young, and you gotta just talk to somebody, man. If you're having problems, man, don't be afraid to reach out and talk to somebody.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I guess he had. He hadn't gotten a plot. Like he got cut from a couple.

[Justin]

He had two preseason season ending injuries back to back. Both preseasons. So he missed two entire seasons with injuries. One in training camp, and I think one in a preseason game back to back years.

[Matt Jones]

Well, there's a lot of people listening to this that probably have some sort of relationship with him or know him, and prayers to everyone involved. That's just a. That's just a tragic, tragic story, and I hate to hear it. Then you have what's happening in Puerto Vallarta. Yeah, in Mexico. So I guess the Mexican police kill the leader of a cartel. And I've read books about these cartels. Crazy stuff, Shannon. Like the cartels in Mexico, that's a

[Shannon Dawson]

group of people you do not want to mess with.

[Matt Jones]

No, even the police don't want to mess with them usually. But they kill one of them. I don't know the. What made them decide to go and do it? Because a lot of times they just pay the government off. But now I guess it's the Jalisco. It's. What's the name of that region? They have, like, seven states, I think, in Mexico. This is one of them. And it's where Puerto Vallarta is. And is it Tulum? Is that a place?

[Drew Franklin]

That is a place.

[Matt Jones]

Are they both there, or is it just Puerto Vallarta?

[Drew Franklin]

I know.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. Anyway, Puerto Vallarta, I think, is like the centerpiece. And when he gets killed, it erupts into violence. And of course, there are tons of Americans there partying. Drew, you were supposed to be there yesterday.

[Justin]

My friend's wedding yesterday in Puerto Vallarta. I know several people, including my best friend of 40 years, is there right now, hunkered down in a resort family. I mean, I know so many. I was invited to this wedding. We weren't able to go.

[Matt Jones]

That could have been you.

[Justin]

Yeah, they're all hunkered down at a resort.

[Matt Jones]

Just so they're telling Americans, don't leave your room.

[Justin]

Pretty much.

[Drew Franklin]

Are the airports closed? Are they stuck?

[Matt Jones]

Closed yesterday. I think they might be back open now. How scared would you be, Shannon, if you were there?

[Shannon Dawson]

Yeah, and I've never been to Mexico, so. First trip to Mexico and you're on shutdown. That would be really scary situation.

[Drew Franklin]

You don't leave your room.

[Justin]

Yeah, he sent me a video they're just on the beach yesterday because we saw the news, and we all. It's. You know, we all got that friend group text. We're all like, hey, all good down there? And he sends a video of the smoke, and it is not far away. Like, the chaos is just. Just down the beach from them a lot.

[Matt Jones]

From what. So from what I've read, you know, there becomes kind of a stalemate when these cartels are in charge. Like, everybody knows who's in charge, and it's kind of corrupt, but there's order. And all of a sudden, you take him out, and rival gangs are trying to take over, and then people are. And then some of the people in the cartel are, like, trying to retaliate against the police. It would be.

[Justin]

They burned down a Costco.

[Matt Jones]

He burned down a Costco. Why a Costco probably represents. And there's stuff in there.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Dawson]

But have a membership to get in there. Unless it's on fire.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. I. It would be. There's a lot. Like, I didn't realize Drew's friends were there until he told us this morning, but that would be a very scary situation when you worry about them all day.

[Justin]

I don't want to bug them and just blow up their phone. They got a lot going on. But we are trying to check in as often.

[Drew Franklin]

You're talking about this like an entire family down there for a wedding. They're all. Lots of families down there as a family.

[Shannon Dawson]

But imagine, I mean, they could just set the resort on fire or like, the hotel that you're in.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, a lot of people would say, like, from what I've always heard is, in general, they leave those places alone because they don't want to get the American government. You know, if they.

[Justin]

And that's their economy, and that's.

[Matt Jones]

And if you take all these Americans hostage or you do something like, the American government is going to retaliate. So there's kind of like this. It's amongst us. We kind of keep them separate. But, you know, you. If you're there, that may not be.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Don't tell my friends.

[Matt Jones]

In that moment.

[Shannon Dawson]

How long are you stuck? There's the next question.

[Justin]

I don't know if anyone has a boat or a plane.

[Matt Jones]

Want to go get a few people from last night. Some private jets left, but the people who were regularly on planes were.

[Drew Franklin]

When are they supposed to fly home? What day?

[Justin]

They were scheduled tomorrow because the wedding was yesterday. I think they're still figuring all that out. Can only imagine the Chaos and what they're having to go through.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And then finally I had a little. Seth Davis, you know, he's. He's the worst. Had a little back and forth with him.

[Drew Franklin]

A little.

[Matt Jones]

Well, okay, so here was the debate is about do the Sunday afternoon conference championship games count in the bracket?

[Drew Franklin]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

All right. Seth Davis was insisting they do. Many years ago, I did the mock bracketing thing that they did for media.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

It was like 2013. And at the time, they said, we kind of use it, but not really. It's too late in the day. I remember them saying it. Mike Rutherford of Card Chronicle, I think he did it. The next year, he heard the same thing. And then a guy named Jason Anderson, who was a radio host that used to live in Louisville, he did it. And one time he even tweeted out that they had said that. Okay. And then there was the famous UK A&M in 2016 where we played them in the finals, beat them, and then they were seated higher than us.

[Drew Franklin]

Right. They were a three and we were a four. If we just beat him.

[Matt Jones]

And I know for a fact I'll take it to court. I know it. I know it. I remember the committee guy saying, one of those years, we can't consider it. Do you all remember that? Yes, I know they said that. So Seth Davis gets in this debate online with Mike Rutherford, and he's being a jerk to Mike. And Mike's a U of L guy, but still, Mike's right. And Seth's going, you know, you all may have misremembered, but I'm telling you, Fox, they don't. They do consider it. And I'm not saying Seth has not been told. They do consider it. But it annoyed me that he was like, you little peasants. You don't remember I. Seth Davis? I do.

[Drew Franklin]

Good set, Davis.

[Justin]

So I read it on Twitter, that same voice, peasants,

[Matt Jones]

off with your head. So I take up for Mike.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

And I say, look, man, you may have heard something different, but that doesn't mean these other people are wrong. And he was like, be a reporter. Give me facts. Well, Shannon, like, I'm at that point, I'm like, are you.

[Drew Franklin]

You shut up.

[Matt Jones]

You'll snot.

[Drew Franklin]

Your response to that was really good.

[Matt Jones]

I'm like, first of all, I'm not a reporter. Well, before that, I say something like, what facts do you have? You're just saying that's what you heard. Why are. Why is your word better than mine? And Mike's right. Pittance. And then he says, be a reporter. And so I say, I'm not a reporter. Oh, and by the way, snot head, neither are you. So, for a little background, he's the one that broke the story that Drew and I were getting sued by John Higgins. He called me at work at the TV station and goes, by the way, there's going to be a lawsuit filed against you. Higgins had worked with him on this. Okay. It's not just that he broke the story. He had it before the case was even filed. Which means Higgins had to have told him, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Sure.

[Matt Jones]

And he wrote this story that was not just like we were being accused of it. He wrote that Drew and I did it.

[Drew Franklin]

It was foul.

[Matt Jones]

He acted like Drew and I went on the radio and said, call this man. Which we didn't. And I told him in the phone call, everything you're writing is false. And he wrote it anyway. And he goes, well, you know, that's what he's saying. So that's what we're putting. And it annoyed me because he. I. We had audio proof.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. The whole show.

[Matt Jones]

I was like, seth, I'll send you the show, and you can hear. We didn't say it, and he didn't want it. He refused my audio proof. Annoyed me to know it. Then when we won the lawsuit, I said, will you write a story? You wrote the story that said we were guilty. That story was cited in Sports Illustrated, in the New York Times, as an example of Drew and I being bad guys. Now that we've won, will you write the story that we won and I'll read you the freaking text he wrote

[Drew Franklin]

me, which is classic.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon. I got receipts.

[Shannon Dawson]

I hear you.

[Matt Jones]

All right.

[Drew Franklin]

Classic.

[Matt Jones]

I got receipts Here. I'm pulling it up. Sorry, I didn't have this up.

[Shannon Dawson]

Get your receipts.

[Matt Jones]

Seth Davis. Sharpie.

[Drew Franklin]

It's worth it. Sharpie.

[Matt Jones]

March 20, 2019. Higgins, Kate. This from me. Higgins. Case dismissed. I hope you guys cover it as you did the filing. Here's his response. Congrats. Have you tweeted the news? I will retweet it. As I explained you before, we only published the story at the outset because we had the exclusive. I just checked with my editor, and we're not going to write a story about this.

[Drew Franklin]

So they don't want to have the facts get in the way of their sensationalized story.

[Matt Jones]

And he's always going to be full of it.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

For that reason, how he got on these shows, I don't know. He didn't play. Former player, right in coach. And I'll also note. And then I'LL shut up. He tweets all the time. Be kind. I do think people should be kind of. But he's not kind in the least.

[Drew Franklin]

No, he's not. So I rather enjoyed your little back and forth with him on Saturday.

[Matt Jones]

You should have seen my well, you know, sometimes you write and then you get a lot of backup from people. Other places going I can't say this publicly, but there have been three times I've gotten a lot of I can't say this publicly, but that's one of them. Dan Dakotch.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Seth Greenberg and Seth Davis. There are a lot of I can't say this publicly, but seems to be

[Drew Franklin]

a common denominator in those three guys.

[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

It's a great song. This is a stupid song, Shannon. But a good one, right? Ms. Border Town Fog?

[Shannon Dawson]

Tim McGraw has a lot of stupid songs.

[Matt Jones]

He does, but I kind of like him.

[Shannon Dawson]

Do you want fries with that's another

[Matt Jones]

stupid I don't like that one. I mean, we've talked many times over the years about how Indian Outlaw is kind of a blatantly racist song. And yet I do say Half Cherokee and Choctaw. It's still a good song. This one is dumb. So is down on the Farm. Yeah, but I do like it. Wanting to kill you.

[Drew Franklin]

I like Tim McGraw.

[Matt Jones]

I do too. I would go see Tim McGraw. You know. Bourbon and beyond has their days now, Shannon. What Playing each day? Yeah They've loaded up okay. They. Yeah, they. They've loaded up Saturday and Sunday for me.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Those are the days.

[Shannon Dawson]

A lot of country.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Foo Fighters and Joan Jett are Thursday, but I don't know if that's an. I don't know. Maybe I'll just go to the Foo Fighters. Friday is not really for me, but Saturday and Sunday is loaded. Saturday's Country Day.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes. Chris Stapleton.

[Matt Jones]

So it's Chris Stapleton, Red Clay Strays, Jason Isbell, Charlie Crockett, they're all that day. And then Sunday is just like basically millennial 90s Gen X. Like, I mean, it's all of them. Hootie, Counting Crows, Dave Matthews, all those ones. We said they're all on the same day.

[Shannon Dawson]

Better than Ezra.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

So excited.

[Matt Jones]

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[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

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[Matt Jones]

So fans were more cool with his conversation than, I think a lot of people on the media, online, et cetera. Fans may be more like, hey, because in some ways that is like a post game show caller mentality. We got cheated.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. So you think that's because those fans agree with they got cheated, so they're going to agree with what Pope said.

[Matt Jones]

So I think so. It's also easy when, like, you don't have to have the responsibility of having done it to say, yeah, get him. You know? But I'm not surprised about that. I kind of felt like more people were cool with it than was than. Than a lot of people realized.

[Drew Franklin]

So there's no coaches show tonight because they're traveling. So the coaches will be Wednesday night.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. So he may not even have to end up at. He'll get asked about it, though, at the.

[Drew Franklin]

Tonight. I mean, at the game tomorrow night probably.

[Matt Jones]

Especially if we win and people then are like, can we talk about what happened the other day? Yeah, Joe. Go ahead, Joe.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call real quick. Just a couple frustrations. You know, Kentucky basketball is. Can't compete, obviously, with the globalness of the Olympics or even tragedies like Rondell Moore. But the frustrating part is like, I go on the ESPN app and they're not even moving the needle. You know, you can't even hold it. You can't find them. You have to.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, we're not. We're not.

[Drew Franklin]

Right?

[Matt Jones]

We're not. We're not ranked.

[Caller]

Yeah. Right. And so now is it time to start? After a year and a half, almost two years of now and over the recruiting issues and all this stuff is a time to say, mark, we love you, but are you up to the job? Because even Cal said, like, not everybody can play here, but I also. Not everybody can coach here. Yeah, I like Mark Pope. I think he's a very good coach. But is he up to the top?

[Matt Jones]

I mean. Well, I think you're going to for me, and this is just me, and I appreciate the call everybody gets to make that decision. You're asking on their own. For me, that will be what next season is about. Next season, Mark Pope will have to prove to me whether he's up for this job. For some people, that's this season, and they're already ready to make a change. I think more people are willing to give him, but give him more time. For me, it will come down to next year, and it will. My judgment day will start April 1, because from April 1 to April 15 is the portal. So the first judgment is, are we going to have a team next year? And then my second judgment is going to be, how are you going to coach that team next year? But next year, for me, is the year, and I think Mark knows that. Mark knows that. He's not dumb.

[Drew Franklin]

He knows that. What that means is sitting at chair and what's happening right now is not really acceptable.

[Matt Jones]

He goes and makes a run, though, to, like, the Sweet 16 or the Elite 8. It's a different circumstance.

[Drew Franklin]

Absolutely, it is.

[Matt Jones]

So they do still have that card. Justin. Go ahead, Justin.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How y' all doing?

[Matt Jones]

Good.

[Caller]

For me, I guess the most frustrating part to me is, I mean, of course I want wins, but, like, it's frustrating just watching them. So. I used to look forward to, like, watching Kentucky games. It was the best day of the week. And now it's just like, man, can this game just get over? Like, I know that sounds bad, but it's just like, in the midst of a game, they get up eight points, and then Pope makes three subs. And then it's like, then the team comes back, then we get behind. It's just, like, the same story.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we. We didn't talk about that. I appreciate the call. The moment in the first half when he puts Four subs in after we jumped out ahead.

[Justin]

Cannot do that.

[Drew Franklin]

Jumped out on them and had a

[Justin]

lead at the same time. I get they have to have minutes, but you don't have to play four at once.

[Matt Jones]

Andy Bashir says we can't be doing that. As soon as he did that 8, 2 run off.

[Drew Franklin]

Yep.

[Justin]

There is just such a gap between the starters and the bench. And if Kentucky's gonna do anything, those guys have to find another level. I mean, Otega OA has had back to back career days and you've lost both games. He's been incredible, but there's nothing. Well, Aberdeen little guys here and there, but overall, I mean, he's been kind of a one man show lately and they're not getting wins.

[Matt Jones]

You cannot play Jasper, Noah and Garrison together. You just can't.

[Drew Franklin]

And he does all the time.

[Matt Jones]

You can play them, but they can't all be in at the same time. We'll take a break. Be right back. Ksr, TJ Smith, personal injury attorney. Call tj. He'll make him pay.

[Shannon Dawson]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

I'm impressed you know this song. This is new.

[Shannon Dawson]

Charlie Crockett.

[Matt Jones]

So this is Charlie Crockett.

[Shannon Dawson]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

His new single, Been in Kentucky Too Long.

[Drew Franklin]

I've not heard this.

[Shannon Dawson]

About 10 days ago.

[Matt Jones]

Came out 10 days ago. I heard it on the radio. On what? Outlaw country. I just, I like it. And now, I mean, there's no such thing as being in Kentucky too long though, right?

[Caller]

True.

[Shannon Dawson]

I mean, as the coach, maybe that's

[Justin]

what he was talking about.

[Shannon Dawson]

You mentioned Arkansas too, you know.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I think he got in trouble in Arkansas.

[Shannon Dawson]

Oh, so reverse it, came to Kentucky

[Matt Jones]

and he's saying he came to Kentucky turn up. Or maybe it's the other way around. Did he get in trouble in Kentucky? I don't know.

[Shannon Dawson]

I haven't.

[Matt Jones]

Either way, he got stopped at the Canadian border yesterday. Have you seen this?

[Drew Franklin]

Who? Charlie Crockett.

[Matt Jones]

He was supposed to have a tour in Canada. Former KSR guest Charlie Crockett stopped at the border, not allowed in the country. So then he goes to a different place, stopped in again, not allowed in the country, and he's having to cancel his. His whole concerts.

[Drew Franklin]

Canada won't let him in.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I haven't seen why they didn't let him in.

[Justin]

He has a small charge in Virginia from 11 years ago for like marijuana something, but not, not anything too big.

[Matt Jones]

So you can't get into Canada if you have a marijuana charge.

[Justin]

Well, he tweeted what Canada gave him, I guess. And it says like this in Canada is life in prison or something. So it's all related.

[Matt Jones]

You get life in prison for marijuana. I thought you could smoke wherever you wanted in Canada.

[Justin]

He posted like what they sent him. It even says he's tried to enter twice. It's like an official document from Canada, but it's related to something in Virginia 10 or 11 years ago.

[Matt Jones]

And it would be life in prison. I always thought Canada was a lot easier on that stuff.

[Justin]

Yeah, it said some bad intent to sell, but then the weight was not much. So I don't know. But I guess Canada taking it very

[Shannon Dawson]

soon, it would be in Canada too long at that point. Then if you get stuck there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Wow, that's interesting. So I. Because I felt like. I guess I never thought if you get in trouble in America for something and you serve your time, can you not go to Canada?

[Drew Franklin]

Charlie Crockett?

[Matt Jones]

There's got to be people who go to Canada who've been arrested for drugs at some point in America.

[Drew Franklin]

Probably all the time. Unless your name is Charlie Crockett. Then you got to stay in Kentucky.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, I appreciate the. Why am I appreciating the call?

[Shannon Dawson]

That a call?

[Matt Jones]

I want to call in the show. I mean, I have his number. We should call and get his official state.

[Drew Franklin]

That's true.

[Justin]

He's a fun guest.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he was a fun guest.

[Drew Franklin]

He was a fun guest.

[Matt Jones]

859-280-2287. Text machine is 772-7745254. One person writes map. Four games left. How many do we have to win to make the tournament? And everyone predict our record in the last four. I think we only have to make one to definitely make the tournament. But I do think we have to win one. I'm going to say we go two and two.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I'm going to say we beat South Carolina and then we win either the Vandy or the A and M game. So I'm going to say two and two. What do you think?

[Justin]

I like that. I'll say it's the Vandy win A and M on the road. They have a deep bench, score a lot of points. We have a bench. I'll say Vandy being a home game. I hate the thought of even though it's Florida and Vandy can't go oh, and two and rubbering it in the year when you're so desperate. So I'll say they get and then

[Drew Franklin]

South Carolina tomorrow, they have to have to have to win South Carolina tomorrow night. That is non. It's no excuse. If you lose that game then you come back and you get Vandy over. You owe Vandy, man, they punked you down there at their place. You owe them at Texas A M will be really hard.

[Matt Jones]

So you're going to say 2 and

[Drew Franklin]

2, 2 and 2.

[Shannon Dawson]

Shannon, I think we all agree on this. I think Kentucky wins, the next two loses the last two, two and two.

[Matt Jones]

And if they, if they're two and two. First of all, let's talk about the SEC tournament. For what were you going to say?

[Justin]

Sorry, I'll say if they lose tomorrow though, they're going on four.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think that's right. I think if they lose tomorrow they are going on four and then you're firmly on the bubble. Then you might not make it. Then you're 17 and 14 and then you'd probably play. So let's talk about the SEC tournament scenarios. Folks. There's a really good chance we play on Wednesday.

[Drew Franklin]

Didn't you tweet at this?

[Matt Jones]

If the season ended today we would play on Wednesday. But the teams that we're kind of competing with, their schedules get easy and ours gets hard.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, Auburn's got a fairly easier schedule.

[Matt Jones]

If you were to. I think at best, unless we go three and one at best we're looking at being the eight seat. So for those of you thinking about the SEC tournament, I think we're going to be playing at 1 o' clock

[Drew Franklin]

Wednesday or Thursday, but it might be Wednesday.

[Matt Jones]

We might lead off the SEC tournament.

[Justin]

If you take Ken Palms projections and just finish the season they have Kentucky going 1 and 3 and playing the first game on Wednesday.

[Matt Jones]

Now let me tell you a couple things about. I want you to imagine about the. Isn't that general admission?

[Justin]

I don't know if they still do it. I don't think they do.

[Matt Jones]

But for many years it was for free. Yes, many years it was free anymore. But I do think it's general admission. No assigned ticket, open seating and I think it's like $10. Shannon, can you imagine a Kentucky game in the SEC that's first come, first serve at $10.

[Shannon Dawson]

Well, I mean the fans are still going to be there so you'd have a full house.

[Matt Jones]

First of all, people would start lining up at 6am no doubt.

[Justin]

And we had this conversation last year, they had to win at Missouri to

[Matt Jones]

get out of that first game. The day session on Wednesday is general admission.

[Justin]

Like 10 bucks, 11:30 local time.

[Matt Jones]

11 there will be. That would be insane.

[Drew Franklin]

So do we do our show at 10 Roof on Wednesday morning?

[Matt Jones]

No, I think we just. We do it Thursday and then if we lose Wednesday, hell no one's going to want to come anyway.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I mean if you go oh and four, but even if we go one and three, I think there's a good chance we play Wednesday. I think we have to go 2 and 2.

[Drew Franklin]

Did not not play on Wednesday.

[Matt Jones]

To not play on Wednesday, which is. I mean this program should never be playing on Wednesday.

[Drew Franklin]

We used to enjoy those Wednesday games. Just because they were throwaway games. They gonna think Kentucky's gonna be one of those throwaway games.

[Justin]

And in the big picture to get to that, you would have lost six of seven games.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Which ending the year was six out of seven losses. I don't care about your injuries. You've had some games you should have won. That would be a horrible ending for this year.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. But I just want you to think about a Wednesday 1SEC tournament game. General admission, $10.

[Justin]

We always hear Nashville and they write the stories about in the Tennessee and when Kentucky doesn't make the weekend. The impact. What if Kentucky doesn't make Thursday the impact?

[Matt Jones]

I will say though, that would be. That would be a heck of an atmosphere. You just open the doors. Ten bucks, Shannon. And let Kentucky fans in.

[Shannon Dawson]

It would feel like a home game.

[Matt Jones]

It would be probably one of the wilder crowds you could get of Kentucky fans.

[Shannon Dawson]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Be like when we made the nit at Memorial. Yeah, that was a great crowd.

[Shannon Dawson]

Well, those crowds start drinking at 5am like they're all 10 bucks.

[Matt Jones]

And that's why like anyone can go.

[Drew Franklin]

And the other fan bases wouldn't do.

[Matt Jones]

South Carolina ain't going to be there. That's who we'd probably be playing. They're not going to be there.

[Drew Franklin]

No, not at all.

[Justin]

Last year, before the final game of the year, I think I even bought a couple of general admissions for this reason because we had this conversation up until the very end and they luckily played their way out of it.

[Matt Jones]

Definitely on the table now. Now let's go to Josh. Go ahead, Josh.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. I admit I might be a little bit like Charlie Crockett here and being in Kentucky too long, making something out of nothing. Yeah, that's definitely possible. But I just. I wanted to bring up a. A conversation that was aired between Bruce Pearl and Courtney Green. Courtney Green was mocked up during the CBS Sports Classic. It was Bruce Pearl's first game calling for CBS Sports. And before the game started, Courtney comes over and like daps up Bruce Pearl. And Bruce says to Courtney, he says, take care of Stephen for me. He says, no, seriously, help him out when you have a chance. And Courtney says, absolutely, absolutely. I know it's probably nothing, but I wonder if it might be part of what Mark Pope was talking about, the personal stuff.

[Matt Jones]

So where. Where did that air again? Remind me.

[Caller]

It was during the CBS Sports Classic, like, before the game started. They had Courtney Green mocked up, and so they. They played it like, as a clip before the. Before the game started. During the St. John's game.

[Matt Jones]

I see. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I. My guess is they're just joking there. I'm kind of surprised CBS aired that,

[Caller]

but I was, too.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but I mean, I. I can. I mean, I could see why that's. But, I mean, I will say, and I appreciate the call. The way I got to know Courtney was. He always did cows camp, and I think he and Cal were. Were good. You know, to some extent, these referees have relationships with these coaches, so. But I didn't know that clip was out there. That would be. That's odd.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't think Mark Pope would say that unless he had a reason to say it was personal.

[Matt Jones]

Somebody needs to ask him.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, somebody needs to ask him. When you said personal, what did you mean?

[Drew Franklin]

What are you talking about?

[Matt Jones]

Right. Yeah.

[Justin]

Also when he was talking about people coming to us, the program, he listed the fans first. Both times he did it.

[Drew Franklin]

He did.

[Justin]

I was kind of like, whoa, wait a minute.

[Matt Jones]

What's that all about? I'm going to assume the question was about officials. I did think it was weird he said fan because he did it again on radio.

[Justin]

And both times he listed everybody, and fans were the first thing he said. Both times.

[Drew Franklin]

Be careful when you do that.

[Matt Jones]

There is a rule of thumb that is 100% accurate. When you start blaming the fans, you're on a path towards it not working.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes. You got to be careful. It's a slippery slope.

[Matt Jones]

I've seen two coaches do it, and they both were gone that year. Cal and Stoops. Yeah, they both did it in the last year. They both started talking about the fans. I'm going to assume Mark was doing it like generic. Like a generic. I'm going to list bunches of people and the fans are wanting and not take personally that it was. But I, you know, you can't go down that path. These fans, I would also say to Mark, these fans have loved you right outside of those first 12 hours after it got announced. These fans have loved Mark and continue to want him. No one has anything against Mark Pope.

[Drew Franklin]

No one.

[Matt Jones]

Right?

[Drew Franklin]

Correct.

[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

welcome back techie sports radio 859-280-2287. Some folks online tell me that in the context they think he was talking about opposing teams, fans, like opposing teams fans getting in your head. That that would make sense to me. That would make more sense. I hope that's what he was talking about.

[Drew Franklin]

I got to admit I didn't take it that way when he said I thought he was talking about our fans.

[Matt Jones]

I would have to hear the whole context because I heard the question, but only the end of it. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. He did say the fans, but he. You don't think it could have been opposing?

[Drew Franklin]

Yes, could have been. I just, I didn't take it that way when he said it.

[Matt Jones]

One person writes last year, Matt, Arkansas came in and was the 9 seed to the SEC tournament. Had to play the first game. Had they lost, might not have made the tournament. They won and ended up in the sweet 16.

[Drew Franklin]

Went on a run.

[Matt Jones]

Could that be us? Could I could. Honestly, that wouldn't be a crazy scenario.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, our seed in the NCAA tournament will be better than our seed in the SEC tournament.

[Matt Jones]

What's interesting is you'd almost rather be an 11 seed in the NCAA tournament than an eight or nine. I've always believed that. Yeah, right.

[Drew Franklin]

Because eight or nine's got to play a one second game.

[Matt Jones]

A six seed is not that much different than an eight seed, but there's a big difference usually between a one and a three in the second round. So I've always kind of thought you'd almost rather be 11 than a 8 or 9.

[Justin]

Yeah, I hear your point. It just makes me sad that we even have to have these conversations. I miss the intimidation. I miss being in the conversation. I miss when they're previewing the tournament where the logo that's featured that none of that has happened in a while and it's not going to happen this year. Maybe we make a run, but the excitement and the lookout for Kentucky will not exist. We'll have to surprise people and steal maybe every game in the tournament.

[Matt Jones]

That's true. Tyrese Halliburton is out. Well, he was out because of his injury.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But then he also has announced that he has shingles. So. Shingles is one of those diseases that I hear about, and I don't totally know what it is. I had a friend who had it recently and it looked awful.

[Drew Franklin]

Apparently it's very painful. I've never had it, so I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

So what is it?

[Shannon Dawson]

It's like adult chickenpox, right?

[Matt Jones]

I think you're right. It is like adult chickenpox. How do you get it? I always think of old people getting it. But then I have a friend, a good friend of mine from high school who got it on his face, and it was the worst looking thing I've ever seen.

[Shannon Dawson]

I know Terry Bradshaw was like a spokesman for shingles. He would just knock on your door and say, hey, you got shingles.

[Matt Jones]

He's a spokesman for the disease. He's pro the disease.

[Shannon Dawson]

He would say, hey, you got shingles. I'm here.

[Matt Jones]

I could give you some shingles if you wanted.

[Shannon Dawson]

Cream topical cream, you just rub on the shingles.

[Matt Jones]

Do you know anyone that's had shingles?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, and I know it's very painful.

[Matt Jones]

How do you get it?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

You know how you get it?

[Justin]

I don't know. Is it contagious like chickenpox?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. I don't know. I've never known to have had chickenpox or not had chickenpox.

[Drew Franklin]

Don't know.

[Matt Jones]

So we don't know much about it. It's one of those diseases that sounds gross. Yeah, right. I'll give you another one. I'm not gonna say who because they're my friend and I don't want to embarrass them, but I know someone that has gout.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Justin]

If you deal with gout, it really hurts people.

[Matt Jones]

Back so do I. But you think of gout as like, ugh.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Awful.

[Matt Jones]

But this is like a normal person I know that has gout. What is gout? Something with your feet. Right.

[Drew Franklin]

On your feet.

[Matt Jones]

What happens?

[Drew Franklin]

It's like a rash or something on your feet, isn't it?

[Matt Jones]

How do you get that?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know.

[Justin]

So it's very. Your diet is a big part of it. I know. To. To get better. I think you stay away from red meat, maybe.

[Matt Jones]

What. But what does it do to you?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know.

[Justin]

I just. I know people have had it and they could not walk. Like, I've been with them, and it's like.

[Matt Jones]

And I. My. My friend that has it. We would sometimes get together and he'd be like, my gout is acting up. Yeah. And he would go. Every time. And I would go like. He would be like, don't look at me like that. Because I need to know what you

[Justin]

do in your private life.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. I kind of think, look, be careful who you're with. You know, like, have some discrete. And that's. No, that's not it.

[Drew Franklin]

You're right. Both of those diseases you hear about, and I don't really know anything about them.

[Justin]

I think Halberton has an opportunity here with shingles.

[Matt Jones]

He could teach all teachers. LeBron could teach us about gout.

[Drew Franklin]

LeBron has gout?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I'm not. Listen, I didn't say that. Don't be put. Don't be putting words in my mouth. I didn't say LeBron had gout. I'm just saying if he did, he could teach us.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes, well, Halliburton admitted he's got it. Has got us talking about it, and we'll find out a little bit about it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Justin]

The Internet says it typically occurs in people older than 50, so.

[Matt Jones]

Halliburton. What? Shingles?

[Justin]

Yeah, shingles, not gout.

[Matt Jones]

I thought it was like when you were in bed too long.

[Justin]

He has been injured. Maybe he's been.

[Matt Jones]

He's just been laying around. I feel like you get it at nursing homes.

[Shannon Dawson]

You get a lot of nursing homes.

[Drew Franklin]

It does seem like it's a disease that would spread at a nursing home.

[Matt Jones]

Well, anyway, we're not.

[Justin]

We're not experts any better.

[Matt Jones]

Tyrese Halliburton.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes, please. Pacers need you thoughts and prayers.

[Matt Jones]

Let's go to Cam. Go ahead, Cam.

[Caller]

What's up, guys? My birthday was Saturday, man. Really disappointed we didn't come away with the win. I want to give a shout out to my cousin Junior. My friend Kelsey. She's having a baby. Shout out for huge UK fans.

[Matt Jones]

I thought you were going to say super huge baby. I was like, that's kind of a strange thing to say.

[Caller]

Well, you know, their other baby, he's a strong boy. So, okay, maybe the little girl be a strong one. But, yeah, man, I'm. I'm getting to the point where I'm getting pretty apathetic with the program. Kind of like I did toward the end of Stoops's career. I don't really keep up with the times of the games anymore. I'll turn the TV on, like, oh, I forgot we're playing tonight. Really expect us to win anymore. It's really sad, man. It's frustrating.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Hate them to show like that, man.

[Matt Jones]

But that's what I understand, and I get that. And I hope that that needs. That does need to go away. I appreciate the call because when we do have that, that's bad. All right, Two quick games. DraftKings. Go to DraftKings. Promo code KSR. Bet 5. You can win up $200 in bonus bets. Two big games tonight on DraftKings. Let's go for them. Louisville is at North Carolina. Louisville two and a half point favorite in Chapel Hill.

[Drew Franklin]

Louisville's playing better. North Carolina's got some guys still out hurt. I'm going Louisville.

[Justin]

I like Louisville winning on the road.

[Shannon Dawson]

Shannon, give me North Carolina at home.

[Matt Jones]

Give me the Heels. Gonna win at home. Houston at Kansas. How does Kansas always play at home on Monday night? Every single game.

[Shannon Dawson]

They didn't show up on Saturday.

[Matt Jones]

They didn't, but this is Monday.

[Drew Franklin]

Monday's different.

[Matt Jones]

They do not lose at home on Monday night. I've said this. Houston's a one and a half point favorite. Give me the Rock Chalks.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Houston just lost at home. Right? To Arizona.

[Matt Jones]

Lost, I think three in a row.

[Drew Franklin]

Maybe I'm going Kansas Monday night at home over Houston. Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe two in a row.

[Shannon Dawson]

Probably won't even play. I'm going to go Houston.

[Justin]

Yeah, I'll go Houston. Just with all the drama they have around him, who knows what team will.

[Matt Jones]

Drama is crazy.

[Justin]

It is.

[Matt Jones]

He played the whole game, though, against Cincinnati and they got run. But what. What is the number one rule of basketball? Kansas does not lose at home on a Monday night.

[Drew Franklin]

Monday night.

[Matt Jones]

It's Monday night.

[Drew Franklin]

Winter. Winter chicken dinner.

[Matt Jones]

Are they at home?

[Drew Franklin]

Yes, they are.

[Matt Jones]

Rock Chalk, Jayhawk. Two good games, though, tonight. Those are two good games. We'll see you tomorrow. We'll be at the bar. Wednesday and Thursday it's ksr this is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me. I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time, and one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of, but I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the Big Game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough and you can show support by sharing the Blue Square.

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