2026-02-24- KSR - Hour 1

Summary

KSR Podcast – Feb 24, 2026, Hour 1: Summary

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of Kentucky Sports Radio (KSR), hosted by Matt Jones and crew, delivers a lively discussion on UK basketball’s precarious season, the crucial game versus South Carolina, the team’s immediate and long-term prospects, and a blend of community-driven humor and life talk. The show maintains its signature conversational tone, touching on team dynamics, fan anxiety, random health topics, and plenty of local flavor.

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1. Kentucky Basketball: The Big Picture

Tense Atmosphere Leading Into the South Carolina Game

• Matt Jones starts off, despite a hoarse voice, underscoring the urgency:

  “An important game. Very important. Very important to lose four in a row.” (04:22)

• UK is on a three-game losing streak with a real risk of missing the NCAA tournament — likely the first time with no serious excuse.
• The crew agrees: every game now feels unpredictable, a new anxiety for Kentucky fans (05:18).

NCAA Tournament Implications

• "If they win this game, they're in the tournament... if you were to, let's say, go into the tournament with seven straight losses... You think the NCAA... going to want to reward that?" — Matt Jones (04:28)
• Caller Louis (35:02) voices fan malaise: Is it worse to miss the tournament or lose in the first round? Matt insists:

  “There’s nothing better about missing the tournament... I have ingrained in my head the years we didn’t make the tournament.” (36:08)

Confidence in Any SEC Game?

• The hosts admit a lack of confidence in any SEC matchup this year.
• “That's what stinks. This used to be like, you wake up, you're like, all right, let's go kick their teeth in and have a fun night. Now even as a seven point favorite, you're kind of like, oh, this could go wrong.” – Drew (05:18)
• South Carolina: Beaten only the conference's weakest, but can still pose a "trap" scenario.

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2. Mark Pope’s Leadership & Staff

Pope’s Reaction to Officiating

• Discussion over Mark Pope’s postgame comments on the referees splits fan and media reactions; online was mostly negative, but show poll leans slightly positive (07:47).
• Drew:

  “Maybe that attitude of we got hosed on the road... they'll use that as motivation tonight.” (08:49)

• General agreement: officials' bias is possible but probably not enough to impact the next game (09:27).

Program Direction & Staff Questions

• Caller Joy asks if changes are needed on coaching staff. Matt is unsure:

  “I don't know what these guys do... I don't have strong feelings about the staff because I'm not really sure what each of their job responsibilities is.” (27:35)

• All agree: a “GM” role is badly needed to address NIL and transfer portal realities (27:57).

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3. Recruiting, NIL, and the Transfer Portal

High School Recruiting: “A complete disaster”

• Jones: “This year with this high school class and this transfer portal, we've already struck out on the high school class and it has been at best awful, at worst, a complete disaster.” (51:41)
• “Now here comes the portal... Can Kentucky and Mark Pope recruit in the Rev Share era? That’s the million dollar question.” (52:06, 52:10)

Eyes on the Portal

• “April and May for me is huge about the future of Kentucky basketball.” (52:41)
• Hope rests on bringing in the right transfers.

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4. Community Calls & Quirky Life

Shingles, Gout, and Open-Forum Learning (10:46-16:48)

• Show addresses criticism for their “uninformed” medical banter on gout and shingles, but Jones defends their “collective audience knowledge” approach:

  “When you don’t know something, this audience collectively knows a lot... that’s good radio.” (12:10)

• Several callers and hosts swap info and jokes about who’s most likely to get gout (“That’s pure sugar you’re drinking?” – Matt to Shannon, 14:10).

Canada’s Strict Entry Rules (24:18-26:33)

• Multiple callers share stories: Canada denies entry for DUIs, shoplifting, and even for owning a car likely to break down.
• “I got detained at the Canadian border for laughing at a fart... That's not a joke. It’s true." – Matt Jones (25:41)
• Callers and hosts express disbelief at Canada’s rigidity.

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5. Pop Culture, Local News & Running Gags

Comedy Albums & Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

• “When’s the last time a comedy album? Everyone our age had this album, right?” – Matt (21:44)
• Bizarre RFK Jr. & Kid Rock workout/sauna/cold plunge video:

  “If you work out in jeans, my thought is that person might murder someone.” (23:42) “The way they chug the milk was really bizarre too.” – Drew (23:56)

Fazoli’s Closes – Nostalgia Triggered

• Lexington’s first two Fazoli’s are closing, a moment of regional heartbreak:

  “That was the one with the breadsticks and the happiness and the joy.” – Matt (47:38)

• Ryan argues endorsement could have saved the local chain.

Mario’s First Endorsement: Goat Racing

• “Mario is doing ads for a goat festival in Louisville... He’s cutting his first ad today. He’s very nervous. He wore his glasses, dressed up.” (47:59–48:39)
• Extended teasing about running with goats on Nanny Goat Strut.

Local Rivalries: South Carolina?

• "South Carolina is not a rival in basketball. It’s not. Name your most wonderful South Carolina basketball memory.” (39:25)
• Only notable win remembered was when Calipari was ejected and Tyler Ulis/Kenny Payne led the team.

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6. Personalities, Fitness, and Life Habits

Matt’s Voice & Group Health Habits

• Jones pushes through a croaky voice, noting it happens once a year from talking so much.
• Extended riff on host diets:

  “Got a chocolate croissant for breakfast... That’s pure sugar!” (14:02, 14:10)

Saunas, Yoga, and Getting Older

• Shannon hates saunas (“I can’t breathe in there.” – 29:47).
• Hosts debate healthy habits, yoga, and the importance of flexibility as you age.
• “Studies say one of the biggest things that determines life expectancy is your flexibility...” – Matt (31:08)

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7. Notable Quotes & Memorable Segments

• "Now even as a seven point favorite, you're kind of like, oh, this could go wrong." – Drew (05:18)
• "When you have a show, when you don’t know something, this audience collectively knows a lot... that's good radio." – Matt (12:10)
• “If you work out in jeans, my thought is that person might murder someone.” – Matt (23:42)
• “April and May for me is huge about the future of Kentucky basketball.” – Matt (52:41)

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8. Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:46] Matt Jones’ strained voice and introduction
• [04:12] Importance of South Carolina game, SEC confidence
• [07:47] Mark Pope’s postgame comments & poll results
• [10:46] Shingles, gout, and talk radio style
• [21:44] Comedy albums & the RFK Jr./Kid Rock video
• [24:18] Canada’s tough border policies, calls from listeners
• [27:01] Coaching staff, need for a GM
• [35:02] Fan malaise: NCAA tournament or bust?
• [39:25] South Carolina rivalry (or lack thereof)
• [47:00] Lexington Fazoli’s closings and nostalgia
• [47:59] Mario's goat festival endorsement
• [51:41] NIL and recruiting existential crisis

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Conclusion This hour of KSR blends serious sports analysis with Kentucky humor, local anecdotes, and real-time listener interaction. The big takeaway: anxiety and uncertain hope define the present UK basketball season, while the staff’s chemistry and audience-driven style keep the conversation fresh—even if it means detouring through gout, goat races, and Fazoli’s breadsticks.

(Note: Ads, promos, and non-show content have been omitted.)

Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Caller]

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[Caller]

When you look at your car, you're

[Matt Jones]

going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Narrator]

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[Matt Jones]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Narrator]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Drew]

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[Narrator]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

this

[Ryan]

is Kentucky Sports Radio, presented by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome, everyone. It is Kentucky Sports Radio. I'm Matt Jones, and my voice, wow, is hanging on.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, I'm being a trooper.

[Shannon]

Yes, you are.

[Matt Jones]

Trying to go. I'm not even really that sick, but I lost my voice.

[Shannon]

It's game day. You got to get going.

[Matt Jones]

And I learned my lesson a few years ago. Don't drink six gallons of water, Shannon, to try to make it happen.

[Ryan]

Yeah. And also don't give all your topics to Ryan because he'll blow through them in the first five minutes of the show.

[Matt Jones]

That's exactly right. The Clark's puppet Shop Phone line is 859-280-2287. A Vision Auto Glass text machine is 772 77-45254. In this edition, sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office, you call TJ will make them pay. I'll do as much of this show as I can, and then if I can't, I can hand it to you guys and you'll be good, right?

[Shannon]

You don't feel bad? It just sounds.

[Matt Jones]

I don't really feel bad, but I lost my voice. I could. I couldn't even talk last night. This is actually an improvement.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know what it was.

[Shannon]

Well, it's that time of year. My mom always used to say the croup in the crud kind of gets in your chest and your lungs and your sinuses and just kind of stays there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I don't know if that's it. I just don't have a voice. So this happens to me about once a year when you talk as much as I do. Drew, at some point your voice says, all right, I need a break. So I'm taking a break this evening, but I thought I would try to get through. Get through this show.

[Drew]

Yeah. Such an exciting time playing South Carolina there. One of the teams in the conference can't miss a show like this. Four games left. This is our second to last Tuesday of the season.

[Matt Jones]

An important game. Very important. Very important to lose four in a row.

[Drew]

We haven't done that in, like a billion years.

[Matt Jones]

And like to make the tournament a big game. I mean, I think if they win this game, they're in the tournament, but

[Shannon]

if they don't, it's on the table that they're not going to make it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, it's. It's that they might still make it even if they lose. But I think if you were to, let's say, go into the tournament with seven straight losses, you think the NCAA is going to be not going to look favorable. You think they're going to want to reward that?

[Drew]

No, not at all. They say they don't consider the recency bias there, but they would and we just wouldn't have. Not that we're just loaded with excitement and optimism as it is. I mean, how could we even get up off the mat if we lost seven in a row going into March?

[Matt Jones]

Are you worried about this game?

[Drew]

I'm worried about every game, to be honest.

[Matt Jones]

Me too. That's how I.

[Drew]

That's what stinks. This used to be like, you wake up, you're like, all right, let's go kick their teeth in and have a fun night. Now even as a seven point favorite, you're kind of like, oh, this could go wrong. Yeah, like you got your guard up at all times, which is new for Kentucky fans.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting question. Have you had any game this year in the SEC that you've come into 100% confident we were going to win in the SEC?

[Shannon]

Probably the answer is no. I thought this might be the game until South Carolina put 97 on Mississippi State on Saturday.

[Matt Jones]

Like, probably the only one I was like that for was Mississippi State at home. And then they got up a dozen. Yes. In the first half.

[Shannon]

That was supposed to be the easiest game in game.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't. I don't think. I mean, I remember Ole Miss specifically. You were nervous about that game.

[Drew]

I was very nervous about that game.

[Matt Jones]

And you know, he played his clothes for some of it.

[Drew]

I feel good about Auburn. It's the first time I've bet the UK money line in a while. That didn't work out for me as we know this one tonight. I mean, they should win, but it's just in the back of your mind how bad it would look if they don't.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Well, the game is at 7 o'. Clock. Pregame show will be at 4:30. Kentucky is a five and a half point favorite. Kind of a small number, but it's jumped. What is it now?

[Ryan]

Seven and a half.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Yeah, that feels more right to me. So maybe some people got the early Kentucky pool because, I mean, South Carolina, who have they beaten in conference? They beat Mississippi State, only got three wins.

[Ryan]

I think Oklahoma, also bad.

[Matt Jones]

Lsu, they beat the three, three, three bad team. So they haven't beaten anybody good, which is all the more reason we have to win. I mean if you were to say who are the four worst teams in the conference? Those would be the four. And that's who they've beaten.

[Shannon]

You know, we went down to lsu, thought that was going to be a road win. Took a last second shot from Malachi to get that one. I just think this one also kind of smells of a trap game.

[Matt Jones]

It's not. There's no trap. We're down. Like trap is when you win three or four trap.

[Shannon]

There's no reverse trap.

[Matt Jones]

It's not a trap. When you are on a three game losing streak. It is a. You've got to win.

[Drew]

And any team in the conference that has a pulse has destroyed South Carolina. When they lose, they lose big. Florida almost beat them by 50.

[Matt Jones]

That's right.

[Drew]

I know Kentucky's not Florida, but I mean South Carolina has some horrible losses. A lot of like 10 to 15 points in the SEC games they couldn't win. So they were fortunate to have three wins against the very bottom of the standings. But any team that's, you know, decent has put it on and pretty good.

[Matt Jones]

859-280-2287 text machine is 772-774-5254. All right, so Cats gotta win. I'm nervous about it, but I still feel relatively optimistic. Yesterday during this show we did a poll where I said pro or con? Mark Pope's post game, right. About the refs. And during the show I think I said it was like 60, 40 pro. That probably moved a little bit and I would say it was like 50, 50 in the end. Was it maybe 55, 45 pro in the. In the end. Which was interesting to me because most of the reaction online was con, but I think there were a lot of people who liked it. Now going forward, you know, he made some strong comments about the officials, etc. Do you think it has any resonating impact?

[Drew]

That's clearly the message he had behind the scenes because we heard the players mention it post on Instagram. You know, I wish, you know, he would also focus on a lot of their flaws in the game. But maybe that attitude of we got hosed on the road and now you're going right back on the road. They've got a little anger and really felt they got cheated and we'll use that as motivation tonight.

[Matt Jones]

Overall though, but what about with the officials? I don't, I don't think they do that.

[Drew]

Think it'll impact with. I think the team will use it as fuel. But overall I still think that's just putting a band aid on Kentucky's bigger issues here.

[Shannon]

If it's talking about officials, officials don't try to cheat the other team. They make bad calls.

[Matt Jones]

You don't think there's any way in which certain officials have biases towards certain teams, individuals, coaches, players? You don't think that's possible?

[Shannon]

I think there's definitely some bias, but he's not. That guy is not going to make that call just to try to get Kentucky to win. He just made a bad call.

[Matt Jones]

You mean try to get Auburn?

[Shannon]

Yeah, I just thought you had to think he made a bad call in that. In that situation.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I think that exists places. I don't think that will linger from Auburn to this.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew]

I mean, if anything, the refs are like, this is Kentucky out, South Carolina playing for like Wednesday conversations here, sitting, carrying a lot of weight for the conference overall. So I don't know how much bad blood will be on their side.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that led to a conversation. When we talked about that yesterday, you remember the one guy wrote, I think his name was Jonathan, and said that it was KSR's fault that there were bad calls, which is continued the theme of about three years, that there are people who blame KSR for stuff. But then we actually got Shannon yesterday some blame for something non basketball related.

[Ryan]

Oh, really?

[Matt Jones]

Which was our conversation about gout and shingles.

[Ryan]

That's our fault that people have gout and shingles?

[Matt Jones]

No, not our fault that they have them.

[Ryan]

I don't have gout.

[Matt Jones]

But how we discussed it. Oh. So I think it's worth noting because some people wrote me actually really nice criticisms. Not like, you stinking liberal, you and your commie friends should move to Massachusetts. Not that kind of stuff. But like, Matt, I love you, but think about this. And their general theme was when you all talk about stuff, you should know what you're talking about. And so these people were like, you were asking if shingles was contagious. You should know before you talk about it. Well, I just want to explain for a second the premise of this show. All right. I don't know about you all, but I kind of hate radio TV shows where the host acts like they know everything. I get accused of that sometimes, but I don't really think that's fair because I don't even know how to like, change my oil or change an airfield or hang a picture or hang a picture. Like literally. I don't know any of that. And I acknowledge that. But one of the things I've Learned is that when you have a show, when you don't know something, this audience collectively knows a lot.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Right. Almost anything we talk about, there are going to be experts out there. So if I throw out a topic and we don't know.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

And we talk about what we don't know, inevitably someone writes in and explains what it is, has the answer. Right.

[Shannon]

Happens all the time.

[Matt Jones]

And I think that's good. Yes, I think that's good radio. So on the shingles and gout conversation, I said what I think is objectively true. Those are words that sound icky, very icky, but they're diseases that people may have. And I genuinely did not know what they are. Right.

[Shannon]

We had an open forum about open discussion.

[Matt Jones]

So we got a bunch of conversations. One of the things I learned, Drew, I didn't realize how many people I knew have had shingles. Okay. People you knew. Oh, yeah, yeah. And people you. I'm not gonna.

[Drew]

I saw. One in three people will eventually deal with it. According to the Internet, one in three

[Matt Jones]

people will have shingles. Yep.

[Ryan]

That means one full blown case. One of us is going to have shingles.

[Matt Jones]

No. If you throw the five of us and Billy and two of us are gonna have it.

[Ryan]

Not Ed.

[Matt Jones]

Who's most likely to have Ryan? Without question.

[Shannon]

I'm probably the leading candidate.

[Drew]

I will say he's older, though, and has already passed. You know, he's. He's got a few years where he hadn't had it yet past 50. When it really starts ramping up can

[Ryan]

drinking, he's at an advantage.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, it doesn't start.

[Drew]

It does, but you're more likely as you get older and Ryan's older, so he's already, you know, he's. He's beaten it a few years already.

[Ryan]

Drink Frappuccino every morning. Does that give you, like, more record?

[Matt Jones]

I got to see Ryan's breakfast this morning. Shannon. Thousand calories at least.

[Ryan]

I feel like there's some gout mixed in there somewhere.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, no. You should see. He got a chocolate croissant for breakfast.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Ryan]

Always a dessert for Ryan.

[Matt Jones]

Chocolate croissant. What about that? Is breakfast.

[Shannon]

Breakfast of champions right there. Got you started on the right day.

[Matt Jones]

And that's pure sugar you're drinking?

[Shannon]

Just chai and soy milk.

[Drew]

You didn't put. Mine's gone soy. No.

[Matt Jones]

Is that chai sugar free?

[Shannon]

Probably not, but I don't think it has as many calories as you think it does.

[Ryan]

According to Google, sugar causes gout flare ups.

[Matt Jones]

So that's why I don't have it.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Come back on my sugar.

[Matt Jones]

So we would say Ryan is most

[Shannon]

likely probably so leading candidate.

[Ryan]

He probably has it right now. Doesn't even know it.

[Drew]

See, that's a. That's a venti. The regular size has 42 grams of sugar.

[Matt Jones]

So a little more than the regular 42. 60 to 70 grams of sugar. And then your chocolate croissant, probably sugar free. The old sugar free chocolate croissant.

[Drew]

And it is a Tuesday. I don't know if the calendar matters, but, like, that's one of the days you try to really.

[Matt Jones]

Most people don't see Tuesday as the day they really pack sugar on weekends

[Drew]

get a little out of control in the early week. You try to get back on track before you lose it again.

[Matt Jones]

Anyway, my point was in having that conversation, I think the audience went and learned more about.

[Shannon]

I did.

[Matt Jones]

I did, too. Got away. I was shocked how many people wrote me and said they had had shingles.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

And now I know it's more common. So my point about the shingles in the gout is just to say there were people like, writing me, many of which were nice saying, you know, you all need to not discuss things you don't know. If we do that, Shannon, there's no.

[Ryan]

We'll just sit in silence and look at each other for two hours.

[Matt Jones]

You'll just be listening to me recite the Law. Yeah, nobody wants that.

[Shannon]

That's one thing I love about this show. We're just like four guys sitting around a table just discussing whatever comes up that day. We were just discussing it.

[Matt Jones]

And also just. So I'm just trying to let you in on my. When I put something on the sheet, I know that some of the time it's going to make Ryan look stupid. And some of the time it might look like Shannon angry or it might make me look stupid because I can't do basic things. That's the entertainment. Yeah, right. That's why we're doing it. So there's no reason to get upset about it. Like, that's why we're doing it. And now we know that Tyrese Halliburton has shingles. Yeah, we know. I didn't realize how many people had gout. And we also know that you can look up and learn more about it and try to keep it from one in three people. Having shingles is a crazy thing. It's a lot.

[Drew]

According to the Internet, which doesn't tell lies. I always tell people because we do zero show prep. I mean, a lot of times it's

[Matt Jones]

like, you Do I do show prep?

[Drew]

No, but I mean, like, we don't sit down as a group and plan the show. No, we each do our individual stay on topics. I mean, we don't sit down and talk about the show. I always say sometimes it's like a game show when you take something that's not an obvious topic. And I don't even know, you know, you throw out something. We're live on the air. We got to react.

[Matt Jones]

That's the goal. So anyway, so if I. If we. If we upset you about one of those, I promise it's not intentional. It's just how we kind of imagine

[Ryan]

getting upset over Gelt.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, there's not a topic we can discuss that someone is not mad at me about.

[Ryan]

You're liberal.

[Shannon]

Stinking liberal.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you. We'll take a break and we'll be right back.

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Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP, might actually work. This is wild. Listen to mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode I sit down with people from all walks of life. Celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if youf Can Hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ryder Strong]

This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called the Red Weather.

[Narrator]

It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

[Ryder Strong]

In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trainer disappeared from a commune.

[Matt Jones]

It was hard to wrap your head around.

[Ryder Strong]

It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

[Matt Jones]

No, I am not your

[Ryder Strong]

and back then I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

[Matt Jones]

There were years, right, where I could not say your name.

[Ryder Strong]

I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

[Drew]

Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

[Narrator]

They have had this case for 30 years.

[Matt Jones]

I'll teach you sons of come around here in my wife. Boom boom.

[Ryder Strong]

This is the red weather. Listen to the red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Jones]

That's the only way people rh Shannon

[Ryan]

know I never even heard a gout until this song.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, but this is an excellent song. When's the last time a comedy album? Everyone our age had this album, right? Did you have it?

[Ryan]

I didn't have it, but I. I was well aware of it, but I didn't have it.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. I felt like everyone but Shannon had it. They still do those. I still put out comedy albums. Or is it all, like, Netflix specials?

[Ryan]

Yeah, I feel like it's all Netflix stuff and probably streaming. It's a little bit different, you know, it's not the same versus having a physical copy of a cd.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess that doesn't happen as much. Anyway, one person writes, matt, it's nice of you to do a tribute show today to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. With your voice. That's not very nice.

[Ryan]

Did you see his workout video with Kid Rock?

[Matt Jones]

Most ridiculous video in. In administration that can. That every day does something weird. The workout video of Kid Rock in RFK is top three.

[Ryan]

I didn't know you were supposed to wear blue jeans when you work out. I've been doing it wrong all these years.

[Matt Jones]

How about, he jumped into a cold plunge in blue jeans?

[Shannon]

Who wore blue jeans?

[Matt Jones]

Robert Kennedy.

[Ryan]

Have you not seen this?

[Matt Jones]

Have you not seen this video? They're like, in a cave, you know, doing a workout. Doing a workout, drinking milk together.

[Drew]

It's crazy.

[Matt Jones]

Robert Kennedy is clearly, like, he's buff. Oh, yeah, but Kid Rock's not. No, I'm Kid Rock. I leave my shirt on with Robert Kennedy.

[Shannon]

So they both had their shirts off,

[Matt Jones]

and so Robert Kennedy has his shirt off in jeans and working out, and then he does a cold plunge in the jeans.

[Ryan]

One point, they're in the sauna. They bring the exercise bike in the sauna. One of them's planking, One of them's on the bike.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, it was very chaos. Was that heated rivalry, the TV show, it was very, like, homoerotic in the way that they did. Was very strange, didn't you think?

[Drew]

I actually thought it was fake for the longest time because I couldn't believe that they would put that out there. I'm, like, looking real closely, see if the AI messes up at any point, then. Nope, I just surrendered to the fact

[Matt Jones]

that it was wrong. Working out in jeans. When I go to a gym, which, granted, doesn't happen a lot when I see somebody working out in jeans, my thought is, that person might murder someone if you work out in jeans.

[Drew]

The way they chug the milk was really bizarre too.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Yeah. They did they chugged milk?

[Drew]

Like, if you want to have some whole milk.

[Ryan]

How about it?

[Drew]

I might have a glass.

[Matt Jones]

It was weird.

[Drew]

They were, like, chugging it in the pool.

[Matt Jones]

I'm with you, Shannon. That was one of those, like, whoa.

[Shannon]

Why did they do this?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know.

[Drew]

Maha.

[Matt Jones]

Maha. Make America jeans again. Jerry. Go ahead, Jerry.

[Caller]

Hey, Matt. You know, yesterday, you guys were talking about people not being able to get into Canada. And one of the things I used to do, I worked for the airlines and operations is I had to go over the candle list every night with all the crew members that couldn't go to Canada, make sure to have somebody ineligible going to Canada. And that's a real deal. I mean, you'd be amazed what they won't let people.

[Matt Jones]

Somebody told me they will not let you go to Canada if you've had a dui. Is that correct?

[Caller]

Yeah, dui.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know how many crazy people listening to us right now who probably at some point in their life had a dui, which is awful. But, like, people make mistakes.

[Drew]

I don't.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know if they know they can't ever go to Canada, but from what I understand, unless you get an exception, you can't go.

[Caller]

It's. It's called rehabilitation. And you got to pay for an Acadian attorney. It's about five grand. And then you pay a fee anywhere from like 280 to $1200 based on the crime. But the funniest crime I ever heard of that somebody could get Canada for was we had this one flight attendant who was a real rebel back in her college days at berkeley in the 60s, who got arrested for indecent exposure at a protest. And they wouldn't let her into Canada for that.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. Well, thank you, Jerry. I appreciate it. I mean, I didn't realize Canada could be like that. I mean, I got detained at the Canadian border.

[Shannon]

Yes, you did.

[Ryan]

They're all so well behaved there. Everybody in Canada, they never got detained

[Matt Jones]

for laughing at a fart. I mean, that's not a joke. It's true. Drew was there. That's. I got yelled at for two and a half hours by a Canadian mountie.

[Ryan]

Mountain spart, too?

[Matt Jones]

Apparently not.

[Shannon]

Not at.

[Matt Jones]

Don't do it at the border. What? We've talked about that before. But, Drew, that was a crazy couple hours.

[Drew]

They're strict. Yeah, they do that for fart. I believe the DUI thing.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Imagine you're. It's been many, many years. You're taking your family to see Niagara Falls. You just have no idea. You get to the border and they're like, 1994 out shows.

[Matt Jones]

You did this, honey, why can't we go to Canada, Dad? Well, your mom exposed her breast in 1997, and so you're not going to

[Drew]

be going turning around and going home.

[Matt Jones]

That's right, Joey. Go ahead, Joy.

[Caller]

Hey, man. How y' all doing?

[Matt Jones]

Doing good.

[Caller]

I was just calling in, man. I was gonna say I've had shingles and it's horrible. It's absolutely miserable.

[Matt Jones]

That's what I've heard.

[Caller]

Anyways. I like Pope dude, but do you think at the end of this season he's gonna have to let some assistance go and hurt some feelings? I mean, obviously it's not working out great for him and I get the injuries and everything, but, I mean, yeah,

[Matt Jones]

you know, somebody asked that on the post game show and I appreciate the call about, you know, sometimes when things haven't gone great, people want to change the staff in football. That's something that always happens. People want to change the offensive coordinator, defense coordinator. My problem, Drew, is I don't know what this on this staff, what these guys do. I know Cody Figar is big on on game plan. I think Michael McClain is too, but I don't know what they all do. So I don't have strong feelings about the staff because I'm not really sure what each of their job responsibilities is.

[Drew]

I'm kind of. Kind of the same way. We don't really get any access, don't see a practice. I don't really talk to anyone. We know something needs to be corrected in the game planning and how they get these starts. But as far as they need to make changes, I wouldn't know who to even point a finger at because I don't have. I don't know what each of their assignments are.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, the change needs to be a gift. That's the change.

[Shannon]

First change.

[Matt Jones]

And if he does not get a gm, he and Mitch deserve a ton of criticism. I tend to think they will, but I think if they're going to do it, it's got to be in the next couple weeks. You know, we had heard there was this job posting. It's now not online anymore. Does that mean they've hired somebody? I don't know. You know? Or does that mean they decided not to hire someone? I don't know.

[Shannon]

Or promote one of their.

[Matt Jones]

They did at one point have a job posting online, but I don't know what became of that, so.

[Drew]

Well, even though the portal is not really? Till April. In two weeks, the regular season ends. And that's when people are really having a lot of conversations. Maybe it's not official. I'm in the portal, but people know at the end of the regular season what their intentions are, at least whether they want to leave or look at somewhere else. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I feel like they have to. They. For me, they have to more than anything else to get a different voice in the room because it's clear what they're doing is not working.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

In recruiting. So even if you end up just having a different voice that's outside of his circle, I feel like that would be positive.

[Shannon]

Very positive.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. 859-280-2287. We'll take a break. Very back. KSR, TJ Smith, personal injury attorney. Call TJ.

[Ryan]

He'll make him pay. Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio, presented by Stockton Mortgage, here' Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

It wasn't just that he was wearing jeans, Shannon. It was also jeans with a shirt off.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Physique.

[Matt Jones]

He's got. I mean, how old is he? Like, is he like 70?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, he's got. He's in amazing shape to be 70 years old.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Maybe I need to start drinking more milk. I'd rather be working out in the sauna.

[Matt Jones]

I'd rather be unhealthy. I do like saunas, though. You ever spend any time in a sauna, Ryan?

[Shannon]

I hate it.

[Matt Jones]

Why?

[Shannon]

I can't breathe in there.

[Matt Jones]

You don't. Well, I mean, but you don't feel better at the end. Like you've sweated out all the toxins.

[Shannon]

I've not stayed in long enough to sweat out any toxins. I can't breathe. I get out of there. I don't like it. Not at all. With my asthma and stuff. I can't do it.

[Matt Jones]

Can't do it.

[Shannon]

Can't do it.

[Matt Jones]

What? What, what? Health. Like, what sort of healthy things do you like to do? Yoga.

[Shannon]

TV did a lot of yoga. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Have you done yoga?

[Shannon]

Well, she's tried to get me to do some.

[Matt Jones]

Do you like it?

[Shannon]

I can't hardly. I'm so stiff. It's hard.

[Matt Jones]

But that's why you do yoga.

[Shannon]

I know.

[Matt Jones]

Is that over time it'll get better. Like, when I started doing it a few years ago, I could barely do anything. And then like a year later, the woman was like, look at how much better you are now.

[Shannon]

She could see it.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you could. She had a video of my first day and then showed me.

[Shannon]

She played it for you.

[Ryan]

I wanted to see you go get the video.

[Shannon]

Oh.

[Matt Jones]

The first day, it was. That was when I was, like, in the worst shape of my life, and I was like, I look like a beached whale trying to do it. But then I got a lot, but I haven't done it recently. I got to get back to it. But yes. So you. You don't like yoga, do you? Like lifting weights? Oh, no.

[Shannon]

Definitely not.

[Matt Jones]

Running?

[Shannon]

No.

[Matt Jones]

Walking.

[Shannon]

Walked it. I walk the dogs in the spring. In the summer, some.

[Matt Jones]

But that's just like. To use the bathroom. That's not exercise.

[Shannon]

Yeah, we make a little loop.

[Ryan]

You need to get serious about it, though. I mean, really.

[Shannon]

Oh, I know.

[Drew]

Older.

[Ryan]

You need to start doing something.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, the flexibility is. I mean, like, they. They have studies, they. That say one of the biggest things that determines life expectancy is your flexibility, because the more flexible you are, more likely you are to keep moving and to keep doing things. And if you become inflexible and it starts to hurt to move, then you will do it less, which will, of course, hurt you.

[Shannon]

Yeah. I guess I probably should have known this, but after a yoga thing one time, the next day, I couldn't believe how sore I was.

[Matt Jones]

But that's the point.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And then you do it the next time, and it won't be as bad, I hope.

[Shannon]

Well.

[Matt Jones]

And you can find. I mean, it's probably as big a deal for you, but I find it peaceful. You, like, distract. Like you're not on your phone and there's no outside you. I mean, you can just stare out into space. That's one thing you are good at.

[Shannon]

You and parents. You do goat yoga or something one time. Or hot yoga.

[Matt Jones]

It was hot yoga. Very different. Goat yoga is goats crawling on you. I don't even get that, Drew. To me, that seems like the stupidest thing in the world.

[Drew]

It's very popular. I don't know if we have it in Lexington, but I've seen it in Nashville.

[Matt Jones]

Big in Nashville.

[Drew]

Yeah, Nashville.

[Matt Jones]

Did you guys bet Kansas like I told you?

[Shannon]

100%? Yes, I did. Thank you very much.

[Matt Jones]

I think Shannon and Drew picked Houston.

[Drew]

I was on the Cougs.

[Matt Jones]

What now it feels like Shannon. I've been saying for a year and a half, yeah, don't bet against Bill Self, Kansas. Monday night home. And it felt like yesterday. That became a thing on you heard it everywhere.

[Shannon]

Yep. Had a big graphic. They popped up during the day several times.

[Matt Jones]

Have you ever seen that before? That was just my internal thought. I didn't realize it, but it was a whole thing, Shannon.

[Ryan]

Well, I should have been betting it. I would have won a lot of money.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, and it was over quick. Like Houston got up like 11, 3 and then Kansas just blew him out.

[Ryan]

Yeah, they're up.

[Matt Jones]

They don't lose. They're 41 and oh, 41 and oh.

[Shannon]

Now big Monday under Bill.

[Matt Jones]

They have not lost on Monday night at home since 2001. And they play three or four games a year on Monday night home. They haven't lost, Drew, since 2001.

[Drew]

I think they're abusing the system here. We got to stop this. They've figured out that teams just cannot turn around from a Saturday game, get to Lawrence and be ready. They already have the whistle in the crowd. Adding that travel aspect is just too much to overcome and it needs to be stopped. They shouldn't be allowed to Houston.

[Matt Jones]

I'd be really upset about that schedule. Yes, because they played at Arizona on Saturday and then had to play at Kansas on Monday.

[Shannon]

We were at Iowa State.

[Matt Jones]

That feels unfair, doesn't it?

[Shannon]

Yeah. Iowa State, Arizona, Kansas. Back to. Back to back.

[Matt Jones]

On the road.

[Shannon]

On the road.

[Drew]

Do teams ever just have, if they're on a road swing, just have to go straight to Lawrence from wherever they were. That's got to happen occasionally.

[Matt Jones]

But that seemed, I mean, I'm. That's unfair to make them play at Arizona and at Kansas, which even at the beginning of the year they had to know that was would be like their two hardest games at Arizona game

[Shannon]

may have been in Houston.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, but then that's less unfair.

[Drew]

The point still stands though. You got to, you know, shut off from a Saturday, potentially a late night game, and the very next morning you're off to Lawrence to go get cheated by referees.

[Matt Jones]

Cheated.

[Ryan]

I made the mistake of betting on Kansas on a Saturday instead of a Monday.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, no, they only play well on Monday. By the way. KSR parlay Saturday, half point from hitting and it was a BS. It was the Alabama, LSU. Alabama was up 9. LSU got a meaningless layup at the buzzer and it was a seven and a half point spread and they won by seven.

[Drew]

Also remember the same game, UK parlay I cooked up that they didn't use

[Matt Jones]

would have won another winner.

[Drew]

That's Kentucky covering the 3 1/2 Chandler, 10 points and under.

[Matt Jones]

Wow, that's crazy. Chandler did it. Feels like Chandler played awful and he still had 10 points. Yeah, Lou, Go ahead, Louis.

[Caller]

Yeah, Matt. Longtime listener up in Indiana. I'm a UK alum. Shout out UK basketball for a long time. Can you hear me? Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Caller]

Okay. Just a couple comments. I'm really losing. I'm not alone, I'm sure I'm kind of losing interest in the current state of UK basketball. A couple comments in regards to that. I was thinking the other day, as a longtime listener, as listener and a fan, I'm not sure which would be a worse ending for UK basketball this year if they don't make the tournament. The NCAA tournament. If they don't make the NCAA tournament, or if they get in the tournament and they lose the first game.

[Matt Jones]

No, they gotta make it. There's nothing better about missing the tournament. I mean, like, what, what's, what good's going to happen for missing the tournament? I mean, we've only missed the tournament historically, like three times in 50 years, so.

[Caller]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

So, I mean, adding a full year to that is not. I mean, I can see you saying, well, if we lose in the first round, I mean, what did we really get? What my answer would be, we got another NCAA tournament. Because I have ingrained in my head the years we didn't make the tournament. And if you think about it, two of the three years we didn't make the tournament, one was the COVID year, one was the year we were going on probation. Right. So you're really the year the Nerlens and one we had a devastating injury.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Our best.

[Matt Jones]

So this would be the first year that we wouldn't have made the tournament with literally, like no excuse. I mean, I guess we have a couple smaller injuries, but, um. So I want to make the tournament

[Drew]

and a preseason top 10 ranking too.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, I want to make the tournament.

[Caller]

Right. Well, yeah, I mean, I do too. I'm just saying, from a feeling standpoint, as a fan, is it going to feel worse any worse to like, get in?

[Matt Jones]

I think, though, the thing is, if we get to the tournament and I appreciate the call, sir, thanks for listening. If we get to the tournament, Drew, I think we can win a game or two. Like, I don't think it's crazy if we're a 10 seed that we could beat the 7 and give the 2 a game. Right?

[Drew]

No, that's all we want is a chance, something to look forward to.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I do think this is a team that has the ability to punch up and beat a team that's better than them. We also could play the 7:10 game and lose by 15.

[Shannon]

Yeah. You know, they could lose United, South Carolina and then come back and beat Vandy or Florida at home.

[Matt Jones]

You're exactly right. They could lose tonight at South Carolina and then come and win Saturday.

[Shannon]

Yep. Against a vanity team that smoked him last time.

[Matt Jones]

That could happen. Will, go ahead, Will.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, thank you for taking my call. I gotta give props to Shannon. He is the man. I think I had to call him four separate times because I was having phone issues, so. I appreciate you, Shannon. I was just gonna say one thing. I did want to comment on you guys were talking about a few minutes ago. I have been denied entry from Canada. They are very picky on who they. Yeah, I think all I had was maybe a shoplifting on my record, and my car was not in the best shape. But they denied me because they said I would break down and they didn't want me trapped in their country. What do you know? I broke down.

[Matt Jones]

That's a bad car. When they say, we're worried you will break down in our country. That is a bad car, sir.

[Caller]

Yeah, well, I've had plenty of them. I actually have one that's been in the shop for about 13 months. So, you know, that's my luck.

[Matt Jones]

Well, anyway,

[Caller]

something about this game. I think the Cats are gonna win, but I don't know if we cover. Six and a half is a lot of points. I think we're gonna win probably close. And also, I did want to say one thing.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, that's two things. You don't get to keep adding things. All right, You. That's. You gave me.

[Caller]

And it ties everything into my last call. So I believe Auburn and South Carolina are slowly becoming bigger rivals in basketball. Auburn is beating us in incident.

[Matt Jones]

I appreciate the call. I'm not. South Carolina is not a rival in basketball. It's not. No. Name your most wonderful South Carolina basketball memory.

[Drew]

It's actually sad how close they've played us lately. But that doesn't make it a rivalry. They've won more than they should.

[Matt Jones]

What is our biggest win over? I remember losing some games.

[Drew]

Yeah, that's the thing. We don't even think about the wins.

[Matt Jones]

The only game I can remember that was a good win against South Carolina was on the road when Cal got kicked out.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Very beginning of the game. And Tyler Ulis and Kenny Payne, coach, and we won.

[Shannon]

And Tyler, you threw a lob off the glass for Marcus Lee to stuff it.

[Drew]

And after the game, he's like, I would not have done that if Cal had been sitting on the bench.

[Matt Jones]

That's the only real South Carolina game I could even remember that we won. Maybe other people can remember others. Clark's Pump and Shop. Get Mobile Coupons and in store benefits from Clark's Pump and Shop. They got fresh beans, ground for great coffee. They got food probably healthier than what you get now. Ryan. Community driven. Clark's Puppet Shop is family owned and locally proud to support Kentucky communities. There is one near you. Buy local Clark's Pump and Shop Return, refresh, refuel. We'll take a break. Be right back. Ksr Awkward time to ask this but

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[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

Whoa.

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[Narrator]

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[Matt Jones]

If you could control the behavior of

[Caller]

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[Narrator]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Caller]

When you look at your car, you're

[Matt Jones]

going to become overwhelmed with such good, good feelings.

[Narrator]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind Game of all NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me, is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ryder Strong]

This is Rider Strong and I have a new podcast called the Red Weather.

[Narrator]

It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

[Ryder Strong]

In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trainor disappeared from a commune.

[Matt Jones]

It was hard to wrap your head around.

[Ryder Strong]

It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

[Matt Jones]

So, no, no, I am not your guru.

[Ryder Strong]

And back then I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

[Matt Jones]

There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

[Ryder Strong]

I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

[Drew]

Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

[Matt Jones]

They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of come around here in my white Boom boom.

[Ryder Strong]

This is the red weather. Listen to the red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back Techie Sports Radio. 859-280-2287. Text Machine 772-774-5254. One person writes. Matt, you're gonna watch the State of the Union tonight to hear your boy. No, it's during the Kentucky game. I feel like that's happened a few times in recent years. It's made me very happy. I like it. I like the counter programming, but let's

[Drew]

say Kentucky weren't playing.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there's no distraction. Well, I have to do some cleaning.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Some tidying up.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Got to get that chair out of your kitchen.

[Ryan]

I think they should show it on ESPN and put the game, like, in a little box on the corner.

[Matt Jones]

One person writes, matt, what do you think about the women's team hockey team not going to the White House? Well, you know, I've always been consistent on this. I would go to the White House either way. But I also understand why the women's team's not. By what he said in the locker room where he was, like, said to the men's team. Well, he didn't call the women's team when they won. And then the men's team, he said, like, well, I guess I have to invite the women, too. So I can see why they'd be like, I don't know, to go. I don't blame the men's team for going. There's people saying they shouldn't go in solidarity with the women. They ought to go. I mean, a lot of these dudes, this is their, like, best moment of their life. So I'm fine with them going. I would. I would go if I was on the men's team. But I understand why the women wouldn't want to after. After he kind of made that remark.

[Shannon]

So, yeah, I can see why they're standing up for the rights if he treated it that way.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, he was just. He was trying to be funny. But when you didn't call them and they won first, and they won first, and then you say, like, oh, I guess I got to invite the women's team. I can see why they'd be like, well, we don't have to go. I would go if I were them. But I understand why they wouldn't.

[Drew]

Yeah. Whoever's in office, I don't see the teams whether super bowl, ncaa, whatever. I don't see that as any political endorsement or anything. That's just part of you winning something big in America. You get the White House trip.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Shannon, I hate to tell you this, but Fazoli's.

[Ryan]

No, no, no, no.

[Drew]

Are you sitting down?

[Matt Jones]

The two longest open Fazoli's in Lexington are both closing.

[Shannon]

The Richmond Road one, which was the original.

[Matt Jones]

Was that the original?

[Shannon]

That was the original. That's where Greg Punk Gorm was the first ever breadstick boy.

[Matt Jones]

You always throw that in part of history. It is hanging up. Wow. It's closing. And then the one on Nicholasville Road in Zandale, closing. I think those were the first two.

[Drew]

The one on campus has been closed a While the one on Broadway has been closed.

[Ryan]

Well, luckily, I live in Louisville. We still have our facilities.

[Matt Jones]

And I mean, to look at the original Zolis like you should close the original one. I mean, when I think of Fazoli's, I think of that one on Richmond Row. Yes, that was the one. That was the one with the breadsticks and the happiness and the joy.

[Ryan]

I tried to help them.

[Matt Jones]

Sampler, platter.

[Ryan]

Hey, I would have endorsed them years ago. We could have stop this from happening. We could have brought them on the show.

[Matt Jones]

You would have.

[Ryan]

I think my voice on this show, spreading the joy of Fazoli's to everybody, would have saved their company.

[Matt Jones]

By the way, Mario got his first endorsement. Have you heard about this?

[Shannon]

No.

[Ryan]

What do you get?

[Matt Jones]

Mario got his first endorsement.

[Shannon]

He.

[Matt Jones]

As he described it to me, it's. It's a goat farm. A goat festival. So Mario is doing ads for a goat festival in Louisville.

[Ryan]

The Goatman Festival.

[Matt Jones]

Is it called Goatman Festival?

[Ryan]

There is a Goatman festival.

[Matt Jones]

Nulu.

[Drew]

Oh, the new Lubak Fest.

[Matt Jones]

So what's that to do with goats?

[Ryan]

They have goat races there.

[Shannon]

Okay, they do have goat races.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I think so.

[Matt Jones]

So the Nulu Bach Festival. I don't know what that means, but Mario's cutting his first ad today. He's very nervous. He wore his glasses dressed up. He's dressed up. You don't seem very excited. What's wrong? Okay.

[Drew]

This is serious about his backfit.

[Matt Jones]

Like, this is going to be. This is the start of a whole new life for you. Look what it's done for Ryan. That could be you.

[Ryan]

Mario is going to be running with the goats.

[Matt Jones]

Mario gets the goat festival. New Lubbock.

[Ryan]

They are running with the goats.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, no. You do run with the goats.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's Mario.

[Drew]

There's a big history there. The whiskey thiefs on Nanny Goat Strut. Name of the street. So they said.

[Matt Jones]

Explain to me what happened, Shannon, do people run with goats?

[Ryan]

Yeah, I think they have goat races, but the people kind of, I think, encourage the goats and run alongside them.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, that's great, Mario. You can run with a goat on nanny goat Strut.

[Shannon]

If you're going to be the endorser, you got to go all in.

[Drew]

There's nanny go straight and billy goat step.

[Matt Jones]

If you do a good job on this, next thing you know, you'll be doing horse racing. You're going to be doing dude wipes. I mean, you're going to be doing

[Ryan]

all kinds of that. That should be me, dude.

[Matt Jones]

Actually, you should be Doing that. Well, good luck. I'm exc. This is your first endorsement. Very, very exciting. Let's go to Jacob. Go ahead, Jacob.

[Caller]

Hi. Good morning, Matt. I hope you feel better soon. I wasn't expecting to talk about gout today, but it's an incredibly painful disease. I've had broken bones that are a lot less painful. But I have two quick questions. How concerned are you that the JMI deal, which may have contributed to the struggles with high school recruiting, will that possibly have similar harmful effects on the team's ability to bring in players to the transport portal Portal? And then secondly, given Pope's, like, apparent dissatisfaction with Nil and the current recruiting environment, you think it might be possible he might decide to leave to go after an NBA job where he can just focus solely on coaching and player development?

[Matt Jones]

No, to the second one. I don't think he would get an NBA job even if he did on the first one. Yeah, I'm concerned about it. Let's see what happens. That's my view, you know, see what happens.

[Shannon]

I think you have to be concerned with the way it's played out.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, the way it's played out. You have to be concerned. But let's see what happens. I mean, I think. Appreciate the call. This is the. This transfer portal season, to me is the ultimate test of can Mark Pope recruit in this new environment? Remember, this is the first official complete Rev Share.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Right.

[Matt Jones]

So let's take a step back. The portal's been open for a few years and Nil's been a few years. But before you could just sort of blank check it and you could get one donor to write a check. Now, this is the year where getting real nil deals and having companies on board and all of this, this is the first year that really matter matters. This year with this high school class and this transfer portal, we've already struck out on the high school class and it has been at best awful.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

We have zero people and at worst, a complete disaster. All right, now here comes the portal. People who want to defend what's happened so far will go. Look, we're focused on the portal. I don't believe that because they tried to recruit these people. But nevertheless, now you get the judgment. Can Kentucky and Mark Pope recruit in the Rev Share era?

[Shannon]

That's the million dollar question. They haven't proved it yet.

[Matt Jones]

This is the first test and we have failed step one, high school kids. So now it's transfer portal. And if we get to June and we miss all our top targets again, well, then the question's been answered. Yes, and it's just who deserves the blame, which we'll have to wait and see. But yes, April and May for me is huge about the future of Kentucky basketball. We'll take a break. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces.

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[Matt Jones]

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