2026-02-24- KSR - Hour 2

Summary

KSR (Kentucky Sports Radio) – Hour 2

Date: February 24, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones & KSR Crew
Theme: Kentucky Sports, College Basketball Culture, Listener Q&A, and Quirky Insights

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Overview

This hour of KSR dives into the unique culture around Kentucky sports, focusing on basketball traditions, listener interactions, and humorous, often personal anecdotes about coaches and the broader college sports scene. The crew debates changing norms—like whether coaches should wear suits—explores quirky local trivia, takes calls on tourney matchups and officiating, and shares offbeat facts about Kentucky coaches. The episode concludes with predictions and trademark KSR banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Local Lore: The First Fazoli's Debate

• The crew kicks off with a discussion about where the first Fazoli’s restaurant was located in Lexington.
• Shannon contends it was on North Broadway, citing a tweet from Corey Price, while Matt pushes back, referencing conflicting stories.
• Resolution: Grazzi’s on North Broadway later became Fazoli’s; the "new" Fazoli’s opened on Richmond Road.
  • “See, this is why you can’t always listen to these people. Because they all told me it was on North Broadway, and it sounds like I was right.” — Matt, [46:01]

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2. Cultural Correctness: “Sauna” vs. “Sauna”

• A message from Claudia (Matt’s mom’s and friends’ Finnish friend) leads to a correction of the pronunciation: It’s actually “sow-nuh,” not “saw-nuh”.
• Humor ensues as the crew considers using this as a sauna "icebreaker."
  • “You can tell everybody we’re not in a sauna. We’re in a sauna.” — Matt, [04:56]

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3. Should Basketball Coaches Dress Up?

• Pat Riley's statue unveiling sparks debate: should coaches still wear suits?
  • Riley calls out current coaches for dressing down.
    • “All these coaches now don’t wear suits. We need to show professionalism and wear suits.” — Pat Riley, through Matt, [06:12]
• The crew is divided:
  • Drew: Misses the authoritative look of a suit but admits comfort matters.
  • Matt: Prefers at least “some level of professionalism”—coaches shouldn't dress like equipment managers or preachers in jeans at Club 11. It's about authority and respect.
  • Shannon: Highlights that branding (Nike/Adidas logos) and COVID-era habits likely contribute to the switch.
  • Notable moment: References to Bob Knight’s red sweater, Huggins' tracksuits, and Kim Mulkey’s statement fashion.

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4. Pop Culture Tangent: RuPaul’s “Supermodel” & KSR Nostalgia

• Matt insists RuPaul’s “Supermodel” was a major 90s hit; the crew disputes knowing it until he has it played live.
  • Quote: “You act like it wasn’t a big song in the 90s… That’s what made RuPaul famous!” — Matt, [10:54]
• Listeners chime in to confirm the song’s fame, affirming Matt’s pop culture memory.
• Fun sidebars: Gerardo (of “Rico Suave”) is now a pastor in Ashland.

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5. Listener Q&A: Officiating, Analytics, and UK Tourney Scenarios

• Analytics in Sports:
  • Oakland A's “Moneyball” strategy worked when few teams used it; now analytics are ubiquitous, market advantage lost.
    • “Now everybody uses analytics, so it doesn’t really work as well as it did then…” — Matt, [13:26]
• Officiating Complaints:
  • After a controversial Auburn game, listeners and the crew mull the best way for coaches to influence refs: anger, charm, or extremes?
  • Matt's theory: Only two personality types consistently get what they want—extremely nice or extremely difficult.
  • Drew: “If I’m a ref and I get the ones that are yelling at me nonstop, my brain is thinking, I’ll show you…” — [17:20]
• Bracketology:
  • Which two-seed would UK want to face as a 7-seed?
    • Preferred order: Illinois, Iowa State, Purdue, Houston (least).
    • “Of those, I would want to play Illinois first, then Iowa State, then Purdue and then Houston.” — Matt, [25:03]
  • UK’s likely seeding, potential matchups, and what one-seed would be least bad (UConn, in KSR’s view).

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6. Football vs. Basketball: What Happens First?

• A caller asks if it’s more likely Kentucky will have a new basketball coach or make the College Football Playoff by 2028.
• Consensus: New basketball coach is more likely, unless playoff field greatly expands.
  • If the playoff hits 24 teams, UK could make it; at 12, no chance under current trends.

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7. Ongoing Kentucky True Crime: The Nancy Guthrie Case

• New developments: Security footage shows a masked man at the home days before the abduction; possibly mistaken identity due to a neighbor's gemstone business.
• Matt recommends Hellhound on His Trail by Hampton Sides (about the MLK assassination and hunt for James Earl Ray), drawing parallels between criminal investigations and overestimating a suspect's intelligence.
  • “They were just assuming he wouldn’t do the stupid thing... and he continued to do the stupid thing.” — Matt, [33:02]

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8. Listener Calls: NIL, “Name on the Front”, and Changing UK Recruiting

• Does "playing for the name on the front" still attract players?
  • Drew: Not really. It’s about money and minutes—nostalgia is for fans.
  • Generational gap: Recent UK greats like John Wall and Anthony Davis are “old heads” to recruits.

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9. Odd Trivia: Kentucky Coaches’ Quirks

• REMARKABLE COACH FACTS:
  • John Calipari: Ate alone at Golden Corral weekly; favorite dessert—a plate of whipped cream.
    • “Every Thursday afternoon by himself…just a plate of whipped cream as dessert.” — Matt, [46:38]
  • Billy Gillispie: Known for solo karaoke under aliases at Shenanway Pub (singing "Amanda").
  • Mark Stoops: Famously parks up front at Kroger in Beaumont, sometimes at Starbucks—less eccentric but noted.
  • Rick Pitino: [Jokingly—playing off the infamous restaurant scandal] “Would have premarital sex with a woman in a restaurant booth… the equipment managers watching.” [49:57] (Crew laughs; Matt references the real-life scandal with exaggeration for humor.)
  • Listener reaction: Crew reacts, “That truly sounds unbelievable. There had to have been consequences for that.”

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10. Game Night Predictions

• South Carolina player Miles Stewart is out; the line is UK by 7.
• Shannon: “I think it’s uncomfortably close for most of the game, till they finally…pull it out at the end.” [52:04]
• Matt: Predicts a comfortable double-digit win, referencing South Carolina’s blowout losses to top teams.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You should look different than the equipment manager.” — Drew, [07:47]
• “You either have to be insanely nice or a jerk to get what you want.” — Matt, [16:41]
• “It’s not sauna. Sauna. So… Ryan, you should go around only saying 'sauna.'” — Matt, [04:15]
• “I have never been so aroused.” — Matt about Calipari’s whipped-cream plate at Golden Corral, [46:38]
• “Your dream home awaits at bluegrasshomescenter.com…you can choose the siding, the shutters, the kitchen colors…” — Matt (reads ad in the same laid-back style as the rest of the show), [40:30]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:20] – Hour Two Intro / Fazoli’s origin debate
• [04:15] – The “sauna” pronunciation debate
• [05:25] – Pat Riley/NBA dress code discussion
• [10:54] – RuPaul “Supermodel” music/pop culture sidebar
• [13:09] – Analytics & officiating discussions
• [25:03] – Tournament bracket scenarios
• [27:03] – 2028 football vs. basketball coaching debate
• [31:38] – True crime updates & MLK assassination book rec
• [39:14] – NIL & modern player recruiting
• [46:38] – Coaches’ weirdest habits
• [51:42] – South Carolina-UK game predictions

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Conclusion

This hour is a quintessential KSR blend: sports debate, local color, nostalgia, trivia, and community call-ins, laced with humor and irreverence. The show jumps effortlessly from NCAA policy to pop culture and then back to uniquely Kentucky stories—always with a wink and a laugh for both the die-hard and the casual listener.

Transcript

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[Guest/Co-host]

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[Matt Jones]

Welcome back. Our number two sound like Peter Brady when it's time to change. 859-280-2287. Text machine is 772-7745254. So apparently, see again, this is why we say things we don't know, because we learn. Yes, the first Fazoli's was on Paris Pike.

[Shannon]

North Broadway. Yeah. Where it says North Broadway. There's a one out there close to the interstate. Is that the one they're talking about?

[Matt Jones]

They say the first one closed in 2017. So where would it have been?

[Shannon]

Well, the. Corey Price just tweeted out it was on North Broadway.

[Matt Jones]

What does Corey Price know?

[Shannon]

And they had. It was always out there on North Broadway and the interstate. That little.

[Matt Jones]

He only got three of the eight free throw shooters at trivia.

[Shannon]

That surprised me. That surprised me. Well, that was a hard question.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so we have, you know, my mom's friend, my. My friend, too, Claudia.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah.

[Drew]

Our friend.

[Matt Jones]

Our friend.

[Drew]

Everybody can't have her. All of us could share.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. She writes to say she's. She has finished descent Finland. She goes, please let everyone know it's not sauna. Everyone thinks it is. And that's how you say it. But it comes from a Finnish word and it's supposed to be sauna. It makes it sound like fingernails on a chalkboard. For me and other Finnish people, it's not sauna. Sauna. So. So here's the thing, Ryan. You should go around only saying sauna.

[Shannon]

Okay, I'll try it.

[Matt Jones]

And like, people will think you're wrong. But Shannon, he'll actually be the one. That's right.

[Guest/Co-host]

You can educate everybody in the sauna.

[Matt Jones]

That's right.

[Guest/Co-host]

In their underwear.

[Matt Jones]

You can tell everybody we're not in a sauna. We're in a sauna.

[Guest/Co-host]

That's a good actual, like, icebreaker for when you're in a sauna sitting next to somebody in their underwear. Did you know this is a sauna? Not a sauna.

[Matt Jones]

Did you know it's a sauna? Yeah.

[Shannon]

I've never heard that, but I trust her 100%.

[Matt Jones]

I trust her.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

She's the only finished person I know.

[Shannon]

You didn't even know she was finished, but I believe her.

[Drew]

I've never heard sounding.

[Matt Jones]

This is how proud she is about being finished. Her grandson named Finn.

[Shannon]

That's right. Named Finn.

[Matt Jones]

There you go.

[Shannon]

I get it now.

[Matt Jones]

So that's how you know you're proud to be finished. All right, I trust you. Let's go over a couple things. Number one, Pat Riley, former Kentucky. Former Kentucky basketball player. Up front, Lakers coach. They. They built a statue for him outside of the Lakers arena.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

During the halftime speech while they were being honoring him, he looked at the coaches for the Celtics and the Lakers, which was Joe Missoula and J.J. redick, and said, I sure wish these coaches would wear suits because they were both wearing, like, sweat kind of stuff. Do you? Riley said, all these coaches now don't wear suits. We need to show professionalism and wear suits. Call them out.

[Shannon]

Wow.

[Guest/Co-host]

Called out the other guys, too. James Worley was the only one wearing a tie out of the.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he was called out. His only former players. He's like, nice of you all to dress up for me here. Yeah. Do you agree with Pat Riley? Coaches need to do what they did before COVID and go back to wearing suits.

[Drew]

Eileen. Yes. At the end of the day, I don't care what anyone wears. But I do miss when coaches would dress up a little bit. Now sometimes they're dressed like I am on my couch.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Nothing wrong with that. I enjoy elastic waistbands as much as anyone, but I did like it better when my coach was buttoned up and dressed to the.

[Matt Jones]

Don't you think it shows authority to wear suits?

[Shannon]

I think one of the things that made Pat Riley. Pat Riley was his fashion of always wearing the Armani suits and looking.

[Matt Jones]

Tino still does.

[Shannon]

Patino still does it.

[Drew]

And I think Jay Wright, always wearing.

[Matt Jones]

Handsome Jay Wright looked in his suit.

[Shannon]

It does command.

[Matt Jones]

How?

[Shannon]

Command respect.

[Matt Jones]

Now all the time. But he still wears the blazer.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon suits.

[Guest/Co-host]

I like the look of a suit. It doesn't make you win. Just look at Jerry Stackhouse. But I would. I would say, like, if I were a coach, I would not want to have to wear a suit.

[Matt Jones]

But not comfortable.

[Guest/Co-host]

No. But I like the look of the coach wearing the suit better.

[Matt Jones]

So here's what I would say. I don't think they have to wear a suit, but I do think they need to stop being slobs. And this comes from someone that dresses like that every day. I do think you should dress better than pull over jogging pants.

[Drew]

You should look different than the equipment manager.

[Matt Jones]

I agree with that. So I'm okay not wearing a suit. I'm okay if you wear a jacket and pants. But I do kind of think these guys that all look like the equipment manager, like John Shire dresses like the equipment manager. Pope does some of those away games suits home. I kind of think Ryan there should be. It's. It's what I feel about. It's what I feel about preachers.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Just some level of professionalism. I don't like my preachers in jeans, and I'm fine with my people in church in jeans. But you're the preacher. You're not supposed to look like you're hanging out at Club 11 in Miami. Right. You're a. You're a preacher.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Same thing with these coaches.

[Shannon]

You know, it started, you know, Bob Knight just wore the red sweater forever, and then Huggins kind of did the pullover.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. So I did. Huggins was the. Is the originator of this. Bob Knight. At least the sweater was like, sweater is still a little more dressed.

[Guest/Co-host]

And he had khakis on.

[Matt Jones]

At least he had khakis. Was the first one to be like, I don't care.

[Drew]

And it was joked about forever. Like Huggins over there in his pajamas

[Shannon]

and I, you know, did the coaches text each other, hey, let's not wear coats tonight. Let's all wear.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe there's like a group text. Yeah, yeah.

[Drew]

I made a. They started doing this in Covid like we all did, you know, when we weren't our best selves there for a while. But I predicted it would never come back. Especially because you get your Nike logo or your Adidas logo. And I think they're being paid a

[Matt Jones]

little bit to where these guys in Missouri wears a suit. And I think he looks sharp.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Dennis Gates.

[Matt Jones]

Dennis Gates.

[Drew]

If I was a coach, I think

[Matt Jones]

he looks really sharp when he does it.

[Drew]

I would want the opportunity to kind of dress up a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

Even Pearl was wearing a T shirt.

[Shannon]

He was, yeah. Or a T shirt.

[Matt Jones]

He's wearing a T shirt. I don't know.

[Guest/Co-host]

Was it like an autism thing, though? Like an awareness?

[Shannon]

Yeah. Fundraiser awareness.

[Matt Jones]

I'm all right. Fair enough. One game. He could have dressed it up a little bit. I didn't know that. One game. I'm good with that. You know the Dawn Staley, she'll wear, like, football jerseys.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Drew]

What about Kim Mulkey? What she spends on her?

[Matt Jones]

Kim Mulkey? Why? I don't like her. She's out there sashaying and shantaying. Right? I like that she dresses up. What are you laughing at?

[Shannon]

We need your video of that.

[Drew]

Kim and I own the same sweater.

[Matt Jones]

Remember?

[Drew]

I bought. I got the one she wore.

[Matt Jones]

Isn't that what RuPaul said? Sashay, shantay.

[Guest/Co-host]

I don't. I didn't watch a lot of RuPaul.

[Matt Jones]

You might play RuPaul during the next segment. I think she says, sashay, Chantel.

[Guest/Co-host]

I think you're telling yourself not that.

[Matt Jones]

RuPaul had a song. What was her song?

[Guest/Co-host]

She had a song. I didn't know you were such a fan of RuPaul.

[Drew]

What more has been your background with RuPaul?

[Matt Jones]

Got famous from a song.

[Drew]

Tell us about it.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

What was it called? See, it's called, like, supermodel, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You act like it wasn't a big song in the 90s.

[Guest/Co-host]

I've never heard it.

[Drew]

Never heard it?

[Shannon]

If it's out in the 90s, you know it.

[Matt Jones]

Stop it. You've. Shannon, there's no way you haven't heard.

[Guest/Co-host]

I've never heard it. I'll find it.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, we believe you.

[Guest/Co-host]

We just don't know it's a supermodel. You're the expert on RuPaul.

[Shannon]

There we go.

[Guest/Co-host]

I wasn't going to doubt your RuPaul

[Matt Jones]

expertise on your hot yoga mix. This was a very famous song.

[Guest/Co-host]

Famous to you?

[Matt Jones]

No, famous to every. That's what made RuPaul famous was this song.

[Drew]

Well, now we gotta hear it.

[Matt Jones]

Here. I'm not even waiting. Just play it right now. Okay. Yes. All right.

[Guest/Co-host]

Here we go.

[Matt Jones]

Work it. You gotta work it, girl.

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Oh, my God.

[Shannon]

I hate to admit I know this song.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, of course you don't know this song.

[Shannon]

I do know. I remember this song.

[Matt Jones]

Come on, Shannon.

[Shannon]

I remember.

[Caller/Listener]

Sorry.

[Guest/Co-host]

I was listening to Alice.

[Shannon]

It got a lot of play on the radio.

[Matt Jones]

This was huge.

[Shannon]

Yeah, it was.

[Guest/Co-host]

I've never heard this.

[Matt Jones]

I can't believe you haven't heard that. The text machine is going to be full of people who've heard this.

[Shannon]

I'm embarrassed. I know.

[Matt Jones]

It. It's not. It was like the number one song in America. Y' all are crazy. Let's go to Michael. Go ahead, Michael.

[Guest/Co-host]

Just let it play.

[Matt Jones]

Looking at me like I'm nuts.

[Drew]

I'm just learning more.

[Guest/Co-host]

I'll let it play. Since you're such a fan of this.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, Michael.

[Caller/Listener]

I appreciate coming in on that song. I appreciate.

[Matt Jones]

Michael, had you heard this song? Let's be honest.

[Caller/Listener]

Yes, I've heard that song.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you very much. All right, go ahead.

[Caller/Listener]

And you're. And you're right about those words. Those words are in that song.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you. Sashay, Shantay. Because I used to say when he was here, sashay, Charay for Thomas.

[Caller/Listener]

So my comment about the word sauna is it sounds like an eastern Kentucky way to say sauna.

[Matt Jones]

It does. It's like salmon. It's like when people say salmon.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah. So if you'll indulge me, I've got a quick comment and two questions, and I'll hang up and turn that down.

[Matt Jones]

I can't focus. I can't focus with you playing that song in the background. Go ahead.

[Guest/Co-host]

You're no fun.

[Caller/Listener]

So my comment is on the statistic thing that he likes to do. I just want to say, how did that work out for the Oakland A's when they did that after that first seat that one season?

[Matt Jones]

Well, it went well because. But here's the thing about the Oakland A's when they did it. So the Oakland A's did analytics, but they didn't have any money. It would get them to the playoffs, and then they couldn't win. But then the Boston Red Sox did it with money and they won the title.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

The problem, though, was the reason it worked for those teams is that the other teams weren't doing it well. Now everybody uses analytics, so it doesn't really work as well as it did then because you don't have a market advantage like the A's. And then the Red Sox did.

[Caller/Listener]

Right. But the variables are never the same because you don't know how people are going to play from game to game. But, you know, I just wanted to make that comment. Then my. My first question would be, I read a high school rulebook. Now, disclaimer, it is high school. I didn't look at college. You cannot extend partially or fully your arms. But then there's another above it that says, it's not legal to use hands on an opponent, which in any way inhibits the freedom.

[Matt Jones]

Of course. I mean, that was a fact.

[Caller/Listener]

Right. So my question is. So my question is Is that something that they could have reviewed when they called the fact.

[Matt Jones]

Review. Okay, can't review.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay, last question, Last question. Have you seen this douchebag of a, of a Kentucky fan that's named Chris Adams that, that is in love and infatuated with Rick Pitino?

[Matt Jones]

And I'm not going to care. Who cares about one random UK fan? I mean, I, Yeah, I mean it was, it certainly could have been called a Fallon Chandler. I just don't think it should have been due to time and due to the fact that you could have called a foul on the Auburn guy before that easily.

[Shannon]

That's why at that time of game, I think it just should just been a no.

[Matt Jones]

It's just been a no call. Terry in Shepherdsville. Go ahead,

[Caller/Listener]

Bluetooth. But I'm driving, so there's nothing I

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can do about it.

[Caller/Listener]

You're going to have to put up with it. Sorry. Tonight.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I like Terry. I'll let him try. Go ahead.

[Caller/Listener]

Tonight, if you want to feel good about the game, just bet what you can afford to lose. 5, 10, 20, whatever you're comfortable with

[Matt Jones]

the emotional hedge. You're exactly right. I've done it many times.

[Caller/Listener]

And as far. And then. Yeah, we win then great. I just want to. Want to say one thing about the Pope's tirade. I think you gotta, I think you gotta be a little bit smarter when you're, when you're judging it. He's not just talking about that game. He's talking about the overall. We don't get the calls without saying we don't get the calls. And it's not wine. And it's true. They, they, they don't get a fair whistle on the road and they rarely get a fair whistle at rup. So I just think he's letting people know we're not putting up with it and we're going to go take care of business. So you can't be a factor. Thanks. I'll hang up. Listen.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, maybe I appreciate the call. I don't know. I guess on some level there ought to be a study, Drew, as to whether or not what is the best method to get the best result from officials? Is it criticizing them? Is it being nice to them? Is it screaming at them? Is. I don't know the answer to that. But if your goal is to get the right, the best calls, what method works best?

[Drew]

I mean, in game, you have to a little yelling, that's the sport. But for the most part, 90% of the time, I'm being a suck up. Even if I don't want to, even

[Matt Jones]

if it hurts me. I would think that for most. You know my theory about life, which is you either have to be insanely nice or a jerk to get what you want. I kind of wonder if it's like that with coaching. You got to either be the coach that the refs love, or you got to be the one that scares them to death.

[Shannon]

Like Patino and Caliperi. They're on the officials from the moment the ball's tipped.

[Matt Jones]

But then there are others who sort of. Then, like, you watch. John Shire never says anything, and he smiles and he, like, put his arm around him and go. And maybe. But maybe you have to be one of those two extremes.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

If you're in the middle, it doesn't work.

[Drew]

If that's me and I'm a ref and I get the ones that are yelling at me nonstop, my brain is thinking, I'll show you. Like, that might not be everyone's personality.

[Matt Jones]

There might be people whose personality is. Maybe if I just give this guy a call, he'll shut up, leave me alone. Yeah.

[Drew]

But I would turn it into a sport between the two of us, which would. Which wouldn't be the right thing to do.

[Matt Jones]

So it might be different depending on which ref you're talking about and what his personality.

[Shannon]

I think that plays a big part of it. They got to know these guys know how far can I push this guy? And I can't push this guy.

[Guest/Co-host]

Drew and I would be the same ref, so it'd be bad for anybody yelling.

[Matt Jones]

Definitely. Shannon would just.

[Guest/Co-host]

I would be so spiteful.

[Matt Jones]

I'd tee him up.

[Drew]

Oh, I'd look at the student section and shush them. I'd, you know, yell at me. I'll be right back at you.

[Matt Jones]

Now that we have the brutal winner behind us, we can get back to the grill. No. Chay Linda Farms offers over 20 items on their website, single state to a curated box. You can even buy a quarter beef. It's a quarter beef.

[Shannon]

Fourth of a cow.

[Matt Jones]

Which fourth?

[Shannon]

I don't know. If you get a pick, maybe. You get a pick.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I want back left with the what?

[Guest/Co-host]

The rump roast?

[Matt Jones]

No, but I also get some of the middle. Yeah. Yeah, you get a quarter of it. Yeah. I'm saying back left to feel like better than back.

[Drew]

Or you could chop up the whole cow and just get a quarter of.

[Matt Jones]

What's that ground. Whatever. That's right. No. Chay Linda Farms. Here's a review from Sean. Fantastic experience. Local pickup was easy selection was fast. Sean used the word fast. That's nice. Go to Noche linda farms.com no C H E linda farms.com make it what you can remember 859-707-7004 it's no J linda farms.com it works well. Quarter beef.

[Shannon]

Quarter beef.

[Matt Jones]

Which one would you take? You make a fun of back left. What about you? Are you going front right?

[Shannon]

I don't know if you can think I'd want to mix and match.

[Matt Jones]

You don't get to mix and match. You have to pick one. In my world, you have to pick one quarter of the cow.

[Shannon]

All right, well I'm right handed so I would do. I'll say front right then. Yes, probably right.

[Matt Jones]

So you're going to get some face.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Shannon]

Chest chow tone some arm.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah I don't think they do this

[Drew]

but I'd request the utters I'd let you all have the rest of the milk.

[Shannon]

Wow.

[Drew]

If I got all four, I want that little part.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well you get half. Get back left. We'll be right back.

[Ben Higgins]

Awkward time to ask this, but.

[Matt Jones]

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[Guest/Co-host]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

mobile.com what if mind control is real?

[Matt Jones]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

Can you h persuade someone to buy

[Caller/Listener]

a car when you look at your car.

[Matt Jones]

You're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Matt Jones]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Matt Jones]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp, might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life. Celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if youf Can Hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ryder Strong]

This is Rider Strong, and I have a new podcast called the Red Weather.

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

[Ryder Strong]

In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trainor disappeared from a commune.

[Matt Jones]

It was hard to wrap your head around.

[Ryder Strong]

It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

[Matt Jones]

So, no, I am not your guru.

[Ryder Strong]

And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

[Matt Jones]

There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

[Ryder Strong]

I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

[Matt Jones]

Isn't it a little bit weird that

[Drew]

they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

[Caller/Listener]

They have had this case for 30 years. Years.

[Matt Jones]

I'll teach you sons of come around here in My white boom boom.

[Ryder Strong]

This is the red weather. Listen to the red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Shannon]

There it is.

[Matt Jones]

See, there you go.

[Shannon]

That was it.

[Matt Jones]

That was the part. Shannon.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

See?

[Guest/Co-host]

Second time.

[Shannon]

If you told me to guess, I would have thought this was like 80s. But you said it came out in the 90s.

[Matt Jones]

I think it was like early 90s. It was around the same time as Ice, Ice, baby. Can't touch this. Rico Suave.

[Shannon]

Oh, Rico. He's like, he's a pastor now in like Easter.

[Matt Jones]

In Ashland.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Gerardo.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Pastor in Ashland.

[Shannon]

Yes, he is.

[Matt Jones]

One of the great facts that if you listen to this show, you probably know, but most people wouldn't.

[Shannon]

Didn't know it till it came up on this show.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. One person writes, Matt, if we're a seven seed, what two seed would you most want to see? Who are the two seeds right now? Do we know?

[Drew]

Let me put new brackets.

[Shannon]

Iowa State.

[Matt Jones]

Not Michigan State. I don't think they're lower than that. Aren't they?

[Shannon]

I thought they were there. Maybe they are.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Read me the two seeds. I'll tell you which one I want to play. I mean, we'd be up, we'd be an underdog, and it's all of them.

[Drew]

Let's see. Oh, this is very interactive looking bracket here. Iowa State, Purdue, Purdue, Illinois and Houston.

[Matt Jones]

The one I'd want to play the least is Houston. I'd be good with any of the other three.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

In terms of like feeling like we had a chance, I'd probably rank it. See, because we beat Purdue earlier in the year, I don't want to play.

[Shannon]

They're playing good now.

[Matt Jones]

I feel like they would take it. Yeah, I would say I would. Of those, I would want to play Illinois first, then Iowa State, then Purdue and then Houston.

[Shannon]

Could be another matchup with Big Z. Then he's in Illinois.

[Drew]

Would you like to know where we are in the bracketology? We're in 8 seed playing Clemson in the first round with UConn in the

[Guest/Co-host]

next round in Philadelphia.

[Drew]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

So. So if you're going to get A ones, if you're going to play a one seed, that's who I'd want to play. The other ones, I wouldn't want to play Duke. Wouldn't want to play Michigan. Wouldn't want to play Arizona. So if we had to be an 8 or 9, I'd want to play UConn.

[Drew]

Yeah, I think they'd kill us.

[Matt Jones]

They might, but I'm just saying, like that's the one we've got the best shot at. I don't think we can beat those other.

[Drew]

Just. Just.

[Matt Jones]

What is that? Where does it say we play Philly

[Drew]

in the south region. Houston, as the regional. Should we be so lucky?

[Matt Jones]

I mean, Philly would be great. Clemson, it would be a toss up. We could lose that game.

[Shannon]

Said fat guy still play for Clemson?

[Matt Jones]

No, I think he's finally gone. You're talking about the guy that looked like a punk rocker.

[Drew]

He went to play football.

[Shannon]

Killed us, right?

[Matt Jones]

He went to play football.

[Shannon]

What? Yeah, he killed Kentucky last year.

[Matt Jones]

Dylan, Go ahead, Dylan.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, Matt, I got one question. I'll hang up and listen.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener]

Is it more likely in 2028 that we are in the NCAA college football playoffs or we have a new basketball coach?

[Matt Jones]

When in 2028. Talk about like fall 2028.

[Caller/Listener]

Just a year like going into.

[Matt Jones]

I mean the more likely thing we would have a new basketball coach. I mean the two scenarios. You're asking Kentucky to finish higher than they finished in the College Football Playoff in the rankings ever, at least in my lifetime. Or we have a bad season next year. I mean, I think the more likely scenario would be we would have a bad season. I think that's. Now if they expand the playoff to 24. That's a different conversation.

[Shannon]

Yes, it is.

[Matt Jones]

That's a different conversation. And then at that point it becomes more interesting. But if it's at 12, then the answer would be have a new coach

[Shannon]

the way we are right now with no recruits coming in and things not working out. We thought they were going to. I think that's. That's an obvious answer on that.

[Matt Jones]

What would be a more interesting question is what's. Let's say it got to 16. What's more likely by 2030? National title playoff birth.

[Drew]

I would lean national title because that can be done. One great off season and you're in the conversation. Football as excited as I am a Will Stein, there's no evidence.

[Matt Jones]

Right. What if it was 24 still?

[Drew]

I mean, I love what they've done now, but we've seen Nothing to see.

[Matt Jones]

24 would be a playoff because in. I think if they were to bring in 24 teams, you would need to come in like seventh in the SEC.

[Shannon]

So those two years that they finished regular season nine and three, they would probably be in the field.

[Matt Jones]

Say 24 was the number we would have been in twice. Yeah, if it was 16, we'd have

[Shannon]

been in one at least that one year.

[Matt Jones]

And then 12 we would not have been in. So, yeah, 20. If they were to get to 24, then we'll play in the playoff. One day they get 16, we'll probably play once, and we need to be like, we better fill that stadium up.

[Shannon]

I think they could catch fire in a bottle one of those years and get. Make it in football 12.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know that we would make it.

[Shannon]

That'd be tough.

[Matt Jones]

But you get to 24, then I do think we would make it at some point. Tracy, go ahead. Tracy. Got a minute?

[Caller/Listener]

A minute. Okay, well, let's cut this down. First of all, I saw you guys at Radcliffe about 10 days ago, and what a difference in the last 10 days since the way everybody was feeling then.

[Matt Jones]

Yep.

[Caller/Listener]

Another thing real quick, because Now I'm under 40 seconds, y' all might want to talk to DraftKings about seeing if they can get a prop on when team fouls will happen. Auburn didn't get their first foul the other night till 10 minutes 58 in first half. And last night, Kansas had four fouls to give with under a minute in the first half. Yeah, and I just. When. When self held up four fingers and said, we've got four to give, I thought, okay, it's not just happening to us.

[Matt Jones]

No, you're right. I appreciate the call. Sometimes it's never consistent, but it was clear early in that Auburn game they were going to let him beat each other out. And they did. Until the last play started blowing, and then they changed it differently. We'll be right back. T.J. smith, personal injury attorney. Call T.J. he'll make him pay.

[Guest/Co-host]

Now more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones.

[Matt Jones]

Welcome back Kentucky Sports Radio. 859-280-2287. Couple open lines. One person writes in. Ryan said, I think they could catch fire in a bottle. That is not what the line is. It's catch lightning in a bottle.

[Shannon]

Did I say fire in a bottle?

[Drew]

You did. Definitely did. Good.

[Shannon]

I think it works.

[Matt Jones]

Do you do that on purpose? Like you do like three of those a week?

[Shannon]

I think your mind just kind of just goes that way sometimes.

[Matt Jones]

One person writes, matt, how have they still not caught the guy who took Nancy Guthrie? I don't know, man.

[Shannon]

Oh, there's an update.

[Matt Jones]

What's the update? Is this from 94 from last night's.

[Shannon]

I absolutely heard it on the. On the show on 94.5 last night.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Shannon]

They have video now of this, the mask guy there at her house like a day or two before the abduction. Like The. The her ring camera caught him there a couple days before wearing the same ski mask.

[Guest/Co-host]

And so he came back twice then.

[Shannon]

So. Yeah, the second time he came back.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, what am I supposed to make of that news? Like, what. How does that advance it that he

[Shannon]

was scouting it out? So it's premeditated, targeted.

[Matt Jones]

He could have been scouting it for a robbery.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Here's another thing we go and tell you.

[Guest/Co-host]

No, wait till tomorrow.

[Shannon]

They think it was the. There was a. There's a theory that it could be mistaken identity because the people next door have a large, like, gemstone business, and they store a lot of these real expensive gems in their house.

[Matt Jones]

They might have gotten the wrong place.

[Shannon]

Maybe that's just a theory they're throwing out there.

[Matt Jones]

Who. Who's throwing it out there?

[Shannon]

94.5.

[Matt Jones]

That's a 94.5 theory.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Guest/Co-host]

Bumbling idiot has committed the perfect crime because nobody can figure it out.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, so I'm reading this book. Highly recommend this book. Put this on your list.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Fascinating. It's called Hellhound on His Trail. It's by Hampton sides. It is about the killing of Martin Luther King and then the attempt to try to catch the guy. And in the book, one of the things they say is it took him a long time to catch the guy. James Earl Ray, but initially his name is Eric Galt. Part of why it took so long, Shannon, was because they had this thought that he was this brilliant, like, mastermind, and he would. He was an idiot. And so they were trying to give him traits like what would be the rational thing to do? And he would do the opposite because he was doing the stupid thing to do. And they were out thinking themselves.

[Shannon]

Wow.

[Stockton Mortgage Advertiser]

Interesting.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Which makes you wonder if that's what happened has happened with this. They're going, oh, well, it's probably because of this. And it was maybe just like, what

[Guest/Co-host]

do I do next?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. So, like with the. With the James O'Reilly thing, they were sitting there going, oh, he bought the gun in Birmingham, so he surely wouldn't go back there. But then he did.

[Shannon]

He did go back to her.

[Matt Jones]

And they were like, oh, he's from Atlanta. He surely wouldn't go back there.

[Shannon]

And he did.

[Matt Jones]

But then he did. He. I learned in the book, took a Greyhound from Atlanta and had a changeover in London, Kentucky, where the closest they came to getting him was in London, Kentucky.

[Drew]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

He came up through Chattanooga, Knoxville, had a changeover in London. He wanted to go to Cincinnati, and they almost got him in London. Never heard of Somebody in the London Greyhound station recognized him as potentially the guy, but he was already on the Greyhound and gone by the time.

[Drew]

It's hard to predict what someone will do if they don't even know what they're doing. They're just wandering around aimlessly.

[Matt Jones]

And they were like. One of the things, they were like, well, he surely won't get in a Greyhound where we can track him. And then he was in a Greyhound and they said the FBI changed a lot of the way they do on some of these crimes from that because they were just assuming he wouldn't do the stupid thing, thought he was a mastermind, and he continued to do the stupid thing. Very interesting.

[Drew]

What was the name of the book?

[Matt Jones]

Hellhound on His Trail. I love it. It's an older book, but I've had it for a long time and just had never read it. And I've been engulfed in it. It's long. I mean, you gotta want it. It's long, but it's really interesting.

[Shannon]

You and I walked past the Lorraine Hotel. We were in Memphis that one weekend and the line was too long to go for us to wait in. But they've kept it exactly the way it was. The moment he got.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I didn't realize until I read that book, like at the time he was killed, Martin Luther King was being like hit on all sides. We always think of like the racist people, but a lot of the black at the time, a lot of black leaders were against him too. They thought he was too non violent. They were like, we've got to be harsher. And so he was liking that he was getting hit from all sides. And then when he got assassinated, people obviously have, have this view of him and they should as this amazing figure. But at the time he was very controversial on both sides. There were people who thought he was too moderate. So I just, you know, you learn all that when you read the book and I told you, you know, rest in peace. But the book doesn't paint your guy, Jesse Jackson very well.

[Shannon]

Yeah, he told me that story basically

[Matt Jones]

paints him as lying about what happened

[Shannon]

because he was there when he got shot.

[Matt Jones]

Jesse Jackson got famous by doing an interview the day after the shooting on the Today show saying Martin Luther King died in his arms. But he didn't.

[Shannon]

The other men that were there, the

[Matt Jones]

other men that were there, they had gone to the hospital with Martin Luther King because they were much more close to him and they left Jesse behind. Jesse does the interview, gets famous, then leaves the group and starts his own thing.

[Shannon]

And Was kind of not truthful in

[Matt Jones]

the interview and said he died in his arms. And, I mean, Jesse Jackson was there, but that's not what happened. He died in a guy named Abernathy's arms. So that stuff is. I just find it really, really interesting for. I think a lot of people would like it. Mike. Go ahead, Mike.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, I guess facts are optional. Shall say sometimes I had a D. Yeah, I had a DUI. And in 2000, about 2010, I went to Canada.

[Matt Jones]

So no. Well, there you go.

[Caller/Listener]

Have a good day, boys.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, let us know about it.

[Shannon]

He snuck across the border.

[Matt Jones]

He wanted us that he went with his dui.

[Shannon]

DUI to Canada. They let him go.

[Matt Jones]

Good for him. Maybe everybody in can't. Maybe it's just beat the system. They look at you and they decide the cut of your jib.

[Shannon]

That's why they detained you for a couple hours.

[Matt Jones]

I've been detained twice.

[Shannon]

Oh, twice.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. First time was. Was hubby farting and me laughing. The second time. The first time I was driving. We weren't just driving. We wanted to drive a road trip around Canada. And we decided to go up through Montana. And it was me, and I was from Kentucky. My friend Chris Mosley, who had an Indiana id, We had rented a car that had, like, Missouri license plates, and we were going across the border in this rural Montana crossing. And they thought all that was very skeptical. You are not. They were like, what are you going to do when you're here? And we were like, drive around. And they were like, drive around.

[Shannon]

You guys look a little shady.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And so they stopped us for a long time. I mean, they didn't do anything. They just kept searching stuff. But they were like, why is your car from a different state than you are from. What's a rental car? Why'd you get a rental car? Why are you crossing in Montana? And they stopped us for a long time. I think they were bored, too. We were, like, the only car that was crossing.

[Drew]

They didn't see much traffic in a few weeks. They're excited.

[Matt Jones]

They were just bored. But we got so. I've had a hard time in Canada.

[Shannon]

Well, the one time you were with hubby, you said, yeah, they kept you for like, two hours.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I didn't. I thought they weren't gonna let me in. As a matter of fact, he said at one time, because our stuff was already there. He was like, your friends can go get it and bring it back to you. You're not coming in. That's when Kentucky played.

[Drew]

Yep.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I was Supposed to interview Cal. That's right. That was gonna be my first interview with Cal and they weren't gonna let me across. Then we got there. Barely. Mike. Go ahead, Mike. You got me on that last one.

[Caller/Listener]

I started talking. I've been reading some insiders in the recruit saying they could get Stokes if they pay for him. Are we still on that kick where it's like name on the front? Because I thought that was a horrible idea for high school kids from the beginning. I'm just curious about that.

[Matt Jones]

It's a good question. I mean, Pope has said, Drew, that he wants to make it to where you get guys, I appreciate the call. Who want the name on the front. Does that work with modern players in your mind?

[Drew]

I don't think so. I mean, we, we all love that Pope's doing that. You know, we all grew up with Kentucky and want that to be a part of it. Leave that with the fans. When you're at the negotiating table with a five star prospect, it's dollar signs, minutes. What can you do for me? We'll, we'll have the nostalgia and all that when they get there, but I don't think it's working.

[Matt Jones]

In recruiting, you went through this. Now, granted, it was football, but do you think that that matters to people? I mean, it matters probably a little bit, but does it matter a lot?

[Shannon]

I think the young matters more to us, the older generation, than the younger generation. I think they're just looking out money and playing time. I think that's all they care about.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think that's probably true.

[Drew]

And we're farther and farther from these kids knowing Kentucky.

[Shannon]

Like, you're right.

[Drew]

John Wall feels fairly recent to us, but to these kids, that's an old head. Well, I mean, they're looking at the last.

[Matt Jones]

If you're a high school years, this is going to make you feel old. But if you're a high school kid graduating in the class of 2026, John Wall played at Kentucky when you were two years old.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Who was it?

[Drew]

You don't have that memory of Kentucky being cool.

[Matt Jones]

Anthony Davis was. When you were 4 years old, was

[Shannon]

it Jalen Lowe, one of the guys? They asked him who his favorite hero was, and he said, darren Fox was my hero growing up.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, now the guys that the players probably look up to the most are like, is like Tyrese Maxey,

[Drew]

who's your favorite UK player?

[Matt Jones]

We, we see that as like the end of this, of the Cal era. But for them, that's who they know.

[Shannon]

That's their Memory.

[Matt Jones]

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[Ben Higgins]

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[Matt Jones]

Find out more@t mobile.com or visit your local store.

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[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

mobile.com what if mind control is real?

[Matt Jones]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Caller/Listener]

When you look at your car, you're

[Matt Jones]

going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Matt Jones]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

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[Matt Jones]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Podcast Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

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[Drew]

Before we had AT&T business wireless coverage, our delivery GPS wasn't the most reliable. Once our driver had to do a

[Matt Jones]

14 point turn to get back on route. A 14 point turn.

[Drew]

An influencer even livestream the whole thing.

[Matt Jones]

Not good for business.

[Drew]

Now with AT&T business Wireless, routes are updating on the fly and deliveries are on time. And the influencer did get us 53 new followers though.

[Matt Jones]

AT&T business Wireless connecting changes everything. Welcome back, Techie Sports Radio. 859-280-2287. Robert Carradine died. Do you know who that is?

[Shannon]

Robert Carradine. I know that name. Was he like Beretta?

[Matt Jones]

No, he was the head nerd in Revenge of the Nerds. Louis?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Drew]

Definitely.

[Matt Jones]

He died.

[Shannon]

He died?

[Matt Jones]

Yes. He was 71 years old. He's also in other stuff. He'd play like the dad in movies as he got older, but yeah. Do you remember Revenge of the Nerds?

[Shannon]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Where nerds were wet and were very, very upset.

[Shannon]

That seemed like it was probably made after your transy fraternity.

[Matt Jones]

You've made that joke six times probably in the last 15 years.

[Shannon]

It's always a knee slapper too.

[Matt Jones]

Even the phrase knee slapper is sort Of. It's sort of an example of your age. Overall age. Scallywag.

[Shannon]

I do need to make a correction about the first Fazoli's. The one opened on North Broadway opened as Grazzi's. So when they rebranded the Fazoli's, they opened up the new Fazoli's on Richmond Road.

[Matt Jones]

So I was right.

[Shannon]

The new Fazoli's Richmond Road was really.

[Matt Jones]

See, this is why you can't always listen to these people.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Because they all told me it was on North Broadway, and it sounds like I was right.

[Shannon]

Yeah. There was Grazzi's on North Broadway, then they changed it to Fazzois when they opened the new one on Richmond Road.

[Matt Jones]

Here's a good question, Matt. UK coaches, since you've been doing ksr, what's the weirdest fact about each of them? All right, the one that sticks to my mind is Cal Perry. That he would eat every Thursday afternoon by himself at Golden Corral.

[Shannon]

That's a weird one.

[Matt Jones]

That's in that some people say he would eat just a plate of whipped cream as dessert manager at Golden Corral

[Drew]

told me that was a good source.

[Matt Jones]

Think about that. Can't get a better source. Every manager afternoon, he would sit at Golden Corral by himself, eat the buffet, and his dessert would be a plate of. I have never been so aroused. That's weird. So that would. I think that's the cow one. Do you have one for someone?

[Shannon]

Well, Billy G used to go to Cracker Barrel for chicken and dumplings every week. Whatever day that was.

[Matt Jones]

That's not weird.

[Guest/Co-host]

That's not weird. No. Him going and singing karaoke is weird.

[Matt Jones]

That's the Billy.

[Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

He would go to Shinohe Pub and sing by himself and sing karaoke. Somehow that never got out until the end. And he would sing Amanda.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Which you go. Listen to those words. It's kind of sad. But he would sing karaoke at Chickaway Pub by himself, and from what I understand, would often wear a hat. And nobody would know who he would use, like a pseudonym.

[Guest/Co-host]

So when they call him up, they wouldn't say Billy.

[Matt Jones]

They'd be like, Rick.

[Shannon]

He'd go up and sing it by himself.

[Matt Jones]

Sometimes he would say he was Bill. But like, a lot of times he would. The people at Chinway knew him, but. So he wouldn't get bothered. Sometimes he would come up and be like Earl. And he would sing, but he would be by himself.

[Drew]

And then above him, the TV with Sports center on it, playing the highlights

[Matt Jones]

from the Georgia game the night before. Yeah, people could. It was. I always found that to be really.

[Guest/Co-host]

That is the strangest.

[Shannon]

That is pretty weird.

[Guest/Co-host]

Stranger than Cowan whipped cream.

[Matt Jones]

What about you? Do you have one for somebody?

[Drew]

I was trying to think of Stoops. I know the only, like, quirky thing with him would be parking in front of the Kroger. I think it's Beaumont.

[Matt Jones]

He's big. Yeah. He would park in the hanging Starbucks. At Starbucks.

[Drew]

But not. Nothing to the level of eating a bowl of Cool Whip in public at a buffet.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I'm trying to think of a good Stoops one. You know, most of the Stoops ones just involve like. Well, well, I mean, I went to Stoops is the party he had where he broke the record for most wins at Kentucky. And that was a funny. Just the scene. It was at the top of. It was at the. What used to be Sky Bar.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

And just interesting to see who's a who. Like a who's who of who was there. That was when one of Stoops, his friends from Youngstown, threw Max Duffy into a wall because he thought he was making fun of Mark.

[Drew]

Is that when they played Youngstown? I remember when there was a lot of Youngstown.

[Matt Jones]

So he went up to Mark. Max went up to Mark to give him a hard time about losing his hair or something. And Mark Stoops, his buddy, who he'd grown up with, who didn't know who Max was, thought somebody was screwing with him and threw Max into a table.

[Drew]

Young sound.

[Stockton Mortgage Advertiser]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's exactly. That happened. And Mark was like, no, no, it's good. He's our. And he was like, oh, man. Sorry. Best guy.

[Drew]

I Ray got winner.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but that's Youngstown for. They'll just throw you into a table.

[Shannon]

Got your back. Each other's back.

[Drew]

Yeah, I'm trying to think of anything about Joker.

[Matt Jones]

You got one for Joker then we

[Shannon]

can tell in the air.

[Matt Jones]

Rick Patino. Here's a quirky thing. Would have premarital sex with a woman in a restaurant.

[Shannon]

No, he wouldn't.

[Stockton Mortgage Advertiser]

What?

[Shannon]

You made that up?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you totally made a Italian restaurant in a booth.

[Drew]

No one would do that.

[Matt Jones]

You totally made that story with his equipment managers watching.

[Drew]

Oh, come on. Now you're just making stuff up in a restaurant. Doing the right thing in a restaurant.

[Matt Jones]

In like a nice restaurant. What, like a four star restaurant.

[Drew]

Are you on ambient again? That happened.

[Matt Jones]

This happened. And then what about the other people in the restaurant? Yeah, well, they were cleared out. The manager was watch. Or the. The equipment was watching the Door so he didn't have to get in. The guy that owned the restaurant had given him the keys because he allowed him to use it after hours for. For this thing.

[Shannon]

Come on.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And the booth where it happened probably

[Shannon]

closed it and tore it down.

[Matt Jones]

It's marked. You can go sit in it. People will tell you that's the Rick Patino.

[Drew]

What's it marked when you say it's marked?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew]

Is this like a plaque or is it.

[Guest/Co-host]

That's right. DNA there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I know that one's weird. Not as weird as being at Chinook Pub, but it is a weird one.

[Drew]

Wow. I mean that truly sounds unbelievable. There had to have been consequences for that.

[Matt Jones]

Actually, oddly, didn't get in trouble for that. What?

[Guest/Co-host]

Got an extension because nobody knew about it till now.

[Drew]

I don't need to know about his extension. You've already told us enough.

[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

4:30.

[Matt Jones]

Are we going to win? Shannon?

[Guest/Co-host]

Yes. They win tonight. I think it's going to be tough though. Tougher than maybe what we think. But I drew.

[Drew]

I like it. I'm feeling good. Miles Stuart, who we've seen play a lot, he started Vandy, I believe had big games. South Carolina, he's out. That helps our chances. Seven point favorite. You can't lose games. You're expected to win. Just get the job done.

[Matt Jones]

And I think they do win.

[Shannon]

Don't cover. I think it's uncomfortably close for most of the game till they finally find the better team with the better players. They finally pull it out at the end.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I'm going to say they win. Drew made a good point. South Carolina. The good teams destroy them. I'm going to say we have a comfortable victory. Like 14.

[Shannon]

That'd be nice.

[Matt Jones]

But we'll see. Pregame show is at 4:30. You can watch the game at the bar. I'm gonna go rest up my voice for a few hours. Hopefully be back at 4. We'll see you later. This is the Kentucky Slicks. No, it's just ksr. Bye Bye.