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Drew
consistently for so long like you hear drive the nail over and over and over.
Matt Jones
He didn't do the jet or the
Ryan
I like the jet.
Drew
I get the exhaustion of hearing the same guy I even last year it was worse. I even wrote a post about it mid year but we had Carl Ravage and Jimmy Dykes so many games last year and the record was terrible. So I think you just get a little bit of exhaustion hearing same voice over and over.
Shannon
I think he's good though. He brings you know he points out things that I think are good for us that darn don't know the intricacies of the game. He brings out points out stuff that helped me understand why something happened.
Matt Jones
He does he does. I like the tournament because I just feel like the announcers make it sound bigger. Kevin Harlan.
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Iron Eagle. It just feels like a lot more. I don't know what. How exactly to say it.
Drew
CBS just always feels like they do
Matt Jones
it the right job. We forget that those games are on. But like, I turned on yesterday and like that Purdue, Ohio State gal, you can feel the energy, you know, And I sometimes. I don't know. The ESPN does it the best. All right, so get the phones here in just a second. Let's talk about my man John. Cal Perry and Todd golden giving each other the old onesie twosie. Florida just destroyed Arkansas.
Shannon
They're up by 30, and we're still 10 minutes ago.
Matt Jones
Even know what they were fighting about. But at some point, they get in an argument. And I. I'm still not 100% sure what happened. It looked like Todd golden maybe said something to Cal, but I'm not sure what it would have been about. Do you know?
Drew
Because it's on Cal. And it.
Shannon
He.
Drew
You see him snap, kind of like, whatever. It's you talking to me or don't
Matt Jones
yell at me or you talking to me. Yeah, that who you like.
Matt Rogers
He.
Matt Jones
You could see. He's like, what? And then Cal has probably done the best job of any coach in history at having multiple guys to hold him back. He's got a lot of hold me
Shannon
back guys without fighting him off.
Matt Jones
And it's good to have hold me back guys.
Ryan
That way you never have to fight.
Matt Jones
And you look really tough.
Ryan
Yeah.
Matt Jones
It's like if Kenny Payne wasn't here, you'd be seeing these guns.
Ryan
You think Cal could actually fight if he had?
Matt Jones
No, but Cal. Here's Cal. That's. Cows like me. Can't fight. Will talk.
Shannon
Yes, talk and then go hide behind Kitty Payne.
Matt Jones
Yeah, well, no. Kenny Payne's enough of a good, loyal assistant. He. Cal doesn't even have to hide. Kenny knows Cal needs me in front so he can yell. Kenny Payne is. Is Cal's parent.
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
And parents great parent. Knows.
Shannon
Yep.
Matt Jones
Matt's gonna talk trash. I'll get in front of him.
Ryan
Todd golden had a corner guy, too, though.
Matt Jones
Now, here's the problem. Todd Colton's guy, though, is not. He doesn't understand the game as much. Pull him, Todd Golden. See, again, Cal and I have something in common. We look like in who knows because we're bigger guys. Tag on wheel, skinny fella. He's got little baby arms, and so he talks trash and no one's scared of him. I think 67 year old Cal thought he could beat Todd golden up.
Shannon
Don't you not know his little nerdy.
Ryan
Yeah, he probably could.
Matt Jones
I think he probably could Octagon.
Matt Rogers
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Matt Jones
If you're going to talk trash like Todd golden, you've got to have dudes who will hold you back. And nobody was rushing to hold him back.
Drew
Nobody.
Matt Jones
There was nobody rushing to hold him back. So Todd is kind of left naked in the wind, yelling. And as Cal turns around and goes, you want a piece of me? If you'll notice in the video, Todd golden pulls.
Shannon
Yes.
Matt Jones
One of his assistants in front of me.
Ryan
The classic kill move in wrestling.
Matt Jones
Oh, he did. He like. He was like Bobby Heenan throwing a guy in front of him. He's like, hey, you're supposed to be hold me back.
Shannon
Let me get behind you and yell.
Matt Jones
He literally grabs his shirt, Shannon. And pulls him to him.
Shannon
The cameras caught it.
Matt Jones
So here's the thing. Cal over the years, in part because he's continued to hire these dudes even when they're not good, he gets loyalty. He's got these guys, they know what they're supposed to do.
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
And Todd Golden's like, wait a minute.
Shannon
You're supposed to be up here behind
Ryan
you in the way to get his front.
Matt Jones
Yeah. Todd. Todd had nobody in his front. And when you're that little, you're going to need somebody in your front. But I really liked it, Drew. I enjoyed the whole. The whole mess up.
Drew
See, I saw it as Cal having a little pent up. Like Todd Gold was me once upon a time. He's got.
Matt Jones
Oh, you think so?
Drew
He's got the. The ring on his finger. He's won the regular season and the SEC tournament in the last couple years. He's the hot name.
Matt Jones
So you think back in time and this was me 30 years ago.
Drew
And it's like I have to show younger me that older me still has that fire.
Matt Jones
So you're. That's interesting.
Drew
I saw a big picture of thoughts because whatever golden yelled, it shouldn't have triggered him that much.
Matt Jones
Yeah.
Drew
So you're like he was looking at his past.
Matt Jones
It's like that movie we're talking about, Crazy Heart. Jeff Bridges saw Colin Farrell. I was him. And now he's more successful than I am.
Drew
But I have to let him know
Matt Jones
I'm still him, but I'm still the king. Yes.
Drew
And I have these guys that will hold me back.
Matt Jones
I'm the king and I'm losing by 40.
Shannon
And you know, see, that's what Sam
Matt Jones
Is built up a little bit. True.
Shannon
Todd Golden's a Bruce Pearl protege. Probably the Pearl influence over him probably encourages him to be a little more anti. Cal.
Matt Jones
I liked and it seemed like our fan base sided with Cat.
Shannon
I think so.
Drew
I think there's also maybe in my. In my scenario, they're looking at golden getting a little cocky, a little big for his britches at age 40, even though he has success and maybe a little sympathy for the older states. Gentlemen. Yeah.
Matt Jones
In those ugly coats.
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Shannon
I don't know.
Matt Jones
Why does he wear those coats, Shannon? He used to be Mr. Fashion.
Ryan
Oh yeah, the red.
Matt Jones
How did he get to Arkansas and start.
Shannon
Start wearing like both wearing those. Those coats.
Matt Jones
I mean they're wearing like barber shop poles as they're like, why does he wear that Pizza Hut tablecloths? I mean, he Cal you were so. I mean, there's got to be some suits with red in it that can look better than they get uglier every game.
Drew
It is a hard color to put
Matt Jones
all pull off just doing this. Does anybody require you to wear? No, no.
Drew
I guess if you're just trying to show it.
Matt Jones
I mean he didn't always wear Kentucky blue when he was here. No. I guess wore black suits and a blue tie. Can he not wear black suits in a red tie?
Drew
I don't know.
Matt Jones
Those shots are awful.
Drew
It's all that Tyson money has. He just wear whatever he wants.
Matt Jones
Nothing makes my mom madder than those jackets.
Shannon
Really?
Matt Jones
Probably every time Shannon, they're in a nationally televised game, mom texts me and goes, cal and his stupid jacket.
Ryan
What if it's a situation where, like, Ellen went out and like got all these jackets for him and now he feels obligated to wear them because she. You know, like when somebody buys you something. Something you throw.
Matt Jones
Well, see, I'm not married. I usually when people buy me things and I don't wear them, I'm just like. I wear them when I don't see you.
Drew
I think he only hate.
Matt Jones
But you can't do that when you're married to somebody.
Ryan
Yeah.
Drew
It seems only has three of them too. There's like a rotation of the small picnic table Pizza Hut when the one he had in the Golden.
Matt Jones
I've got to think Ellen thinks they look bad too. No woman is looking at those jackets going,
Ryan
I think she would tell them though, if she thought they looked bad.
Matt Jones
Yeah, but he's the kind of guy who'd be like, oh, you don't understand. Well, no, he would. That's what he would do.
Ryan
She's the one he should be trying to look good for, if anybody.
Matt Jones
Yeah, those are. Those are awful.
Shannon
Just please let them meet in the SEC tournament in Nashville. Play one more time.
Drew
No, we don't need that.
Matt Jones
What? Golden and cow?
Shannon
Yeah.
Drew
Oh, I thought you were saying Kentucky.
Matt Jones
No, I don't want to play Arkansas. I'd rather. I'd rather avoid them both just for.
Shannon
Absolutely. But I want golden cow.
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Gold cow. Yes.
Matt Jones
One person writes. Matt, I saw you at the youth basketball game yesterday. I was very surprised to see you, but glad you supported your friends. Kids. Did it make you want to have kids? No, But I do think I can see why people like. Like, I was pulling for. For. For Max, right? Like, I could see how people like their kids playing sports. Yay. And so I. Yeah, I could see it, but it didn't make me just, you know, have my biological clock decide.
Shannon
Even when you saw the dude that looked like you out there, like, that could be one of my. Could be my kid out there playing. I'm gonna support him every.
Matt Jones
Every Sunday sort of thing.
Ryan
It actually was.
Matt Jones
You know, I did think about, like, you know, because the parents are all very into it. They're very encouraging.
Shannon
One of the highlights of my life.
Matt Jones
I was calling a lot more walks.
Shannon
Oh, you were gonna let him go?
Matt Jones
I was like, he shoved. That's a. It's not a jump stop riff.
Ryan
You be the parent. Like Ryan getting kicked out of the game.
Matt Jones
No, I wouldn't get fifth graders. I was kind of laughing, and I was cheering on everyone I was seeing, like, these. Some of these kids have good shoes, you know, checking out their sneakers. Yeah, the new Tatum got nice, you know. Let's go to Jeff. Go ahead, Jeff.
Caller
I got a quick question. And quit. Statement. Statement first, I think our recent success, especially probably around the last 10 games, has been because we shortened the rotation. What are your thoughts on that?
Matt Jones
Totally agree with him. Totally agree. And I think Pope did a masterful job with the rotation this week. He, you know, he's really wanted to play 10 to 13 minutes a game for those guys, and just they've been a disaster. But he found it to work well to where they kind of held serve while they were in. So I thought he did a great job with it this week.
Caller
The guy to settle in the roles a lot better, it seems like. Also.
Matt Jones
Yeah, I agree.
Caller
My question was, recruiting wise goes. How would you delegate your money if it was coach Matt Jones? Would you. One stud high school player.
Matt Jones
Great question.
Caller
Poor player. Delegate the money.
Matt Jones
All right, So I appreciate the call. So what I thought about this during my drive back from Madisonville Friday, because I was looking at. All right, who are the. Not just who's good this year, but what programs seem to be set up the best? And it looks like, for the most part, Duke, as much as it pains me, is set up to be good, like, every year. And what they're doing essentially, is they're basically keeping it within and maybe bringing in one or two transfers years. They're getting a high school class with like six guys. One or two are studs. But what Shire's doing is he's bringing in a lot of 30th, 60th, 40th, and those guys are staying multiple years. And that's his. That's. That's what he's doing. And I think that's working, but I don't think that's the only way you have to do it. I think you can bring in one Portal star, one, like, okay, so Yukon brought in some. Some high school stars, but then got a bunch of transfers, too. And it's worked. Yeah, with only one guy that stayed all four years, that Alex Caraban. Michigan's pretty much all transfers. So, Drew, there's a lot of different ways to do it. I think Pope has to figure out what's the way to do it that works for him, but I can't. I haven't seen a consistent philosophy yet, you know, and so I don't know what his philosophy is.
Drew
I don't either. But if it were me, that I'm probably top eight, maybe a ninth or getting my money in the rest. I just don't want to have too many pieces like we do this year that are. Have expectations of playing. I think Cal even said something similar to this recently. And then you got to. Even if you have to overpay, you have to get a stud. Whether it's the number one player in high school or one of the Portal guys that you just know are sure things. If you get to the table and another school is overpaying a little bit, and maybe you don't want to put that up. You still have to for just an Alpha to be on your team.
Matt Jones
I'm getting one stud guard, one stud big, and one stud high school guy and then filling in around them. Yeah, that's what that. That. That to me is the perfect thing. And then every year, getting two or three secondary high school guys that you bring up through your system.
Shannon
I think that's where Pope kind of messed up this year. He brought in Aberdeen Diabate and Cam Williams all were six men coming in.
Matt Jones
He didn't, he didn't get the star.
Shannon
Didn't get a dude.
Matt Jones
Now he probably would tell he thought Jaywin Lowe would be that, but got hurt, et cetera. But yeah, they, you got to get a star. I think now that we have no top high school recruits, when the portal rankings come out, we better get two of the top 10 and three of the top 25 if we're going to be good next year. Do you agree with that?
Shannon
I do agree with that. Do you think Patino's new philosophy where he's not even said he's not even going to recruit high school kids, I
Matt Jones
think that works for a guy who's 70 plus years old and doesn't have very long. I don't think it's the best strategy for a long term build. But Rick's probably thinking this is a one year contract every year.
Shannon
Yeah.
Drew
And he said that a year or two ago when we started some 25 year olds and 26 year olds.
Matt Jones
That's going to slowly go down too. All right, we'll take a break. 859-280-2287.
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Kentucky Sports Radio, 859-280-2287. All right, I like this question. First of all, one person says, Matt, how do you think Cal Perry would have won the fight? He's not big. How could you say he's big? He's bigger than you think. He's like 6:1.
Shannon
I think Meyer looked it up. He's 6:2.
Matt Jones
Maybe he's bigger than you think. You think he's little because he's around all those tall dudes?
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
And plus, he's ways. I bet he weighs now. I mean, he's gotten kind of big again. I bet it's weird because his weight fluctuates a lot, too. He's like Mark Stoops. He was. He looked really good in the summer, and he seems to put some of that weight back, but he probably weighs 2:40.
Shannon
He's from blue collar Pittsburgh.
Matt Jones
He could probably. That gets the second question. Royal Rumble of SEC basketball coaches. We've done this for football. Yeah, let's do it for basketball. All the SEC basketball coaches getting the fight. Who you got? Let's go through the candidates Todd Golden.
Shannon
He's out first.
Drew
Oh, I think he's a contender.
Matt Jones
Is he cheating? Hang on, hang on. Nate Oats. Stephen Pearl. Cal. Rick Barnes. Rick Barnes is out first.
Drew
Yeah. Chris. Chris Beard.
Matt Jones
Chris Beard.
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Okay, who's the Mississippi State coach? Chris Jans.
Drew
Chris jan dentist.
Matt Jones
Bucky McMillan.
Drew
We'll see him. He's young.
Matt Jones
Who's the Texas coach?
Shannon
Sean Miller.
Matt Jones
Sean Miller. Georgia.
Shannon
Is Mike White buying 10 at Vanderbilt?
Matt Jones
Buying tenant. Vanderbilt, the Missouri. The guy with always looks hands in the top 10 escapes. And then the South Carolina game. Lamont Paris.
Shannon
Paris.
Matt Jones
Paris who you got? None of those stick out to me as an obvious winner.
Drew
Todd Golden's my winner. He's young, he's a little snot.
Matt Jones
Well, who are you going to put over him? Put Todd Gold now. I'll take. I'll take Stephen Pearl.
Ryan
No, everybody else is old.
Matt Jones
Lamont Paris will beat Todd Gold.
Ryan
Like Mark Pope's got the height, but he's too nice of a guy.
Drew
Yeah, he's special.
Ryan
I'm gonna.
Matt Jones
Let me tell you something. Mark Pope's got reach though. These little dudes are gonna be trying to get near him. And he's 6 11.
Drew
I love Pope, but did you see him punch that whiteboard?
Matt Jones
I agree with you. I'm not, I'm not saying he's that
Ryan
whiteboard laughed at him.
Matt Jones
I. I think Rick Barnes is a first out. Rick. Because he's a foul.
Drew
Yeah, age will get him.
Shannon
I think Chris Jans is a guy that could be sneaky. Really good. Because he's kind of got that fire, that little temperament.
Matt Jones
Why do they call him the Dentist?
Shannon
That's it. Because he's like playing against him, like going. Pain. It's painful. Like going to the dentist office.
Ryan
You have to go of the Royal Rumble, Matt.
Matt Jones
Okay, so you're picking Todd Gold. I think that's a weak pick kind of easily.
Drew
Well, he's 40. He played college basketball not even 20 years ago.
Matt Jones
Like five, nine.
Drew
No, I'd say he's over six foot.
Shannon
I'd say him and Rick Barnes are the first two out.
Matt Jones
I'm with you. I don't get Todd golden love over here.
Ryan
I feel like Nate Oates is really fiery though, you know, like he's not a big guy, but he also.
Matt Jones
I feel like he. I feel like he would cheat. Yeah, I could see him like doing an odd poke.
Ryan
He'd be bringing in somebody from the G league.
Matt Jones
What's the vandy guys? He's.
Ryan
He's all right. He's.
Shannon
He's out early.
Ryan
Dorky.
Drew
But y' all have not given me one contender.
Matt Jones
Chris Beard. No.
Drew
He'd be in top five, though.
Matt Jones
I'm taking Lamont Paris. Just.
Shannon
Just visually, he looks like a linebacker.
Matt Jones
He looks like a linebacker. I mean, clearly can't coach, so he's got to be able to do something.
Shannon
Fight. Bucky and Byington are both out in the first era.
Matt Jones
Yeah, but we do have a wimpy set of coaches.
Shannon
We do.
Ryan
Who's Oklahoma? Is it Porter?
Matt Jones
Porter Moser. I can't see. I can't think of what he looks like.
Drew
Well, he dresses like a villain in superhero movies with his.
Ryan
He actually looks like shape, though, this Porter Moser guy.
Matt Jones
Does he?
Ryan
Yeah, he. See, I mean, like I would have said Jerry Stackhouse if this were two years ago.
Matt Jones
Jerry Stackhouse would have won two years ago. What's Cal doing? Is Cal in it very long?
Drew
No, I got the hip issues.
Matt Jones
Most of these people are 60.
Drew
Close to it or older.
Matt Jones
Well, not anymore, though. The amount of 60 year olds in the league has gone away. I mean, we're down to Cal and Rick Barnes.
Shannon
Yeah.
Drew
Moser's 59. You got Rick Barnes.
Matt Jones
Okay. Moser's not winning. How old is Lamont Paris?
Shannon
Not sure. But Sean Miller's probably close to my age, too.
Matt Jones
Sean Miller's not winning. He's sweating a lot, though.
Ryan
He'll be hard going out early, too.
Drew
Yeah, 51.
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
Ryan
I don't think there is an answer
Matt Jones
to this, actually, to be honest with you. This would be a great fight to watch.
Shannon
Well, if we're talking about eight, then it's Stephen Pearl's got to be maybe the youngest. One of the youngest guys in the league.
Matt Jones
What about Stephen Pearl? Yeah, he's wiring.
Drew
He's probably my second. I'd probably go golden. Stephen Pearl, Chris Beard. That's my three.
Matt Jones
I have to tell you, it would be quite a. Quite a battle. Mike. Go ahead, Mike.
Caller
I think Moser would think Moser is the guy for that. He's cut. He looks like he's mad all the time.
Matt Jones
He is. He does. He looks like an army drill sergeant. Moser does.
Caller
He does. He does. Going back to the Arkansas Florida game, Golden told Cal to get off the floor. I didn't know you could. You could read his lips and tell Cal. And we all know Cal stays on the floor. So he told him to get off the floor.
Matt Jones
Oh, well, that would make Cal mad. That would make Cal mad. I could see it.
Shannon
Yep.
Caller
So they were yelling back and forth. He told Cal to get off the floor. And Cal responded. I couldn't tell what he said. When the ref team Cal up, Cal told the official, thank you. I didn't know if you saw that either. So a couple of odd things that happened.
Matt Jones
They gave them both a technical, so it really didn't matter. So that's probably why I didn't care.
Caller
Did you. Did you happen to catch Tom Hart giving props to John Short? He said we were.
Matt Jones
I did, yeah, he did the Biggins. He does that about once a year. He did that. Yeah, I thought. But I thought Tom was great. I love. You know, listen, I appreciate the call. I love Tom doing games because he knows us and he. He called the post game show on his way to the airport.
Shannon
So Tuesday night He's bringing up Mr. Rogers puppet. Is that going to be what he's going to drop on?
Matt Jones
You need to let him do it. You can't tell him what to do. You got to let him figure out he's not organically. Yeah, he's got to figure out organically. And he, he did the, the left and right vocal cord organically. Yeah, I told him that one. Oh, he did.
Shannon
Drew does like give you some really good nuggets.
Drew
I saw him at halftime. I talked to him during the break. He told me I looked like crap. As a good conversation.
Matt Jones
Austin, I didn't think you look bad. Austin, go ahead.
Caller
Yeah. What about Run Doc for the. The name. Nickname.
Matt Jones
Like it. Like it. But the problem is you already had. Appreciate the call. Run tl. What is it? Run. What was it with Tim Hardaway and tmc? I think it's gotta be. AOC is good. AOC is good. Somebody says that Dennis Gates was in the military.
Shannon
Oh, that may elevate him up in my list. Know that kind of younger guy, does that change? You got some fight.
Matt Jones
Yeah.
Drew
Military experience takes you right to the top.
Matt Jones
Stephen Pearls apparently jacked. Moser seems to be what most fans pick. But I don't know if Dennis Gates was in the military.
Drew
Gates is only 46. Yeah, I'm putting him above golden now. I'll go Gates, golden, Pearl.
Matt Jones
No, Moser.
Shannon
Moser seems a little crazy and sometimes crazy wins these fights.
Matt Jones
Interesting.
Drew
He's about to get fired anyway.
Matt Jones
10 Pope as well. Being that tall is going to help.
Shannon
He did fight bigs in the NBA.
Ryan
This is a beautiful fight.
Matt Jones
Yes. We'll take a break. Be right back. Ksr, TJ Smith, personal injury attorney.
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Call tj.
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Welcome back techie sports radio fans all over the place and who they think they would win that rumble. Goes to show I think it would be a good fight. I think Rick Barnes is the only one I know has no chance and Cal but after that I do have
Shannon
a late entry that might be our favorite.
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nmlsconsumeraccess.org 1 one of the comments on the text machine says one of the dynamics of the show I think is interesting is Ryan seems to slyly take up for Pope at all times. No matter what happens, Ryan finds a way to say something nice about Pope. Counter to that, Drew seems to always make snide comments about Pope. Does he not like him? What's his deal? Do you think both of these guys are on opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to Pope? Well, I'll let you two answer that.
Drew
I make fun of everything. So if you, when you punch a whiteboard like that, we're talking about fighting. I'm going to bring it up.
Matt Jones
You do. But I do think you are more with Pope. Like if there's a spectrum of where we are on coaches, you are very rarely the most negative. Although you, you and I were kind of on the same page on Cal. You're very rarely the most negative, but I think you are with Pope. Ryan's almost always the most positive. Not always, but most of the time. But it does feel like with Pope, you've, you're more on the negative side than I've seen you with other coaches. Do you think that's true?
Drew
Yeah, because they're 19 and 10. I mean, Saturday was fun, but let's not act like this has been a great experience this season. I mean, I loved Saturday, but they've still lost 10 games, so I still have.
Matt Jones
But do you think you have gotten negative quicker with him than you have other coaches?
Drew
Oh yeah. Because we haven't had the highs. I mean, I still have several doubts. I mean, I'm not in the anti Pope campaign. Don't put me in that group. But I mean, through a year and almost two years of basketball, you. They're. Yeah. Have a lot of.
Matt Jones
I mean, we do have. What was the Stephen Peak thing? We've beaten 12 top 25 teams. We had only beaten 13 in the five previous.
Drew
That's why I'm not anti. Against. No, there's several highs, but I'm not going to act like it's perfect either.
Matt Jones
Yeah, well. But I don't think Ryan acts like it's perfect. I do think. I think that the text is right. I do think you are more negative about. Than you have been other people because we. I haven't had football coaches. I mean, like, you. You. You are more negative with.
Drew
I've only had stoops. And that's my point. I have the highs of stoops. I have not had highs with Mark Pope except those regular season wins, which I'm not taking away from saying I'm anti Pope. I'm just saying right now they're 19 and 10, and I still don't have a lot of optimism about March, even though Saturday was fun and I'm excited. But, like, if we're talking about, yeah, I'd put Stoops ahead of Pope. I'd put Cal ahead of Pope. I just haven't been there with him yet.
Matt Jones
I. All right, so Don Staley.
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
So I went to the women's game yesterday, and I stood. I stood right, like, next to South Carolina bench. So I spent a lot of the first two quarters of the game just watching Don Staley. Fascinating to watch. First of all, like, you could hear in the timeouts, really smart. Like, I can see why they're so good. Like, she would say exactly what she wanted to exploit when she wanted to. She would be very. What I could hear, and I could only hear bits and pieces, but she would be very much like, that player's not good. Go at her. But what was really fascinating was watching her with the refs. She is constantly on the refs. Not in a mean way, but in a. Like that. That. And I watched her, Shannon, I watched her get, like, three calls herself. Meaning she would go, moving pick right there. You see how she moved? Moving pick, moving pick. And then the next time down, watch out for the moving pick. Moving pick, moving pick. And then the third time down, foul call. Moving baby pick.
Ryan
So there you go.
Matt Jones
She basically created the moving Pick call. And I'm not saying it wasn't a foul, but she would. She would almost set up calls, two calls in advance. She would go, watch her on the block, watch her on the block, watch her knee on the block. And then three time foul on the block. I think it's like. It might be like a psychological thing, but I would watch her essentially plant the seed in referees heads. Not so much screaming, you're wrong, but saying, this is happening, this is happening. And it would like be in the. And then they'd call it.
Shannon
And obviously works because she gets those calls.
Matt Jones
I'm not. I'm not even criticizing her. It worked, but it was fascinating to watch her do it. Like, she just. I watched her three times in the first half get calls that she got because of her kind of planting them in the referee. Not screaming, being that screaming, you got it wrong. She's saying that happened. Don't let it happen again. And then when it does, she would. They would stop.
Drew
That's a good coach. I mean, calling it ahead of time. And even if she's not being over the top, there has to be a little bit of. I don't know if intimidation is the word, but she does have to carry it over that most coaches.
Matt Jones
One of the refs, you could tell was a little. She would call the ref by name and you could tell the ref was
Shannon
like, okay, she's calling me out. Yeah, that's Don Stadium.
Matt Jones
I just thought it was like a master psychology class watching her. That's why she's so successful, watching her up close. Will, go ahead, Will. By the way, the women. The women fought back real quick. Twice last night. They were down 15. The first half came back and tied it. Then they got down 13 and came back and had a shot at the end of time. So they just. They were not able to win. But that, by the way, it was a great environment yesterday.
Drew
It looked awesome on tv.
Matt Jones
It was awesome. Crowd was into it. You know, South Carolina's just good. They have a couple players are just. Sure they are better than us, but we were in it at the end. Yeah.
Caller
What you were saying with Don Staley might have been the difference in that game yesterday.
Matt Jones
Yeah, I think it was four. Yeah. I mean, it may have been just doing that.
Caller
Yeah, that's how good of a coach he is. That's how good coach is. But anyway, I really wanted to call on Friday, you guys. I guess we're so packed with phone calls and wanted to wish Drew congratulations on the homecoming. That was cool. And the Shot. Wish you guys live streamed it, by the way. That would have been cool, but I was gonna call and say that UK was going to win against Vandy by at least 10, and I look like a genius, so I'm kind of mad. And truly, the one thing I want to say kind of ties back with. With what you guys were just saying about the coaches and everything. Mark Pope is a fighter. The only coach in the SEC that played in the NBA, if I remember correctly. I would take him in a fight. I want him as our coach. He's better than Cal. We ran Cal out of town. We got to stick with Pope, hold down the fort.
Matt Jones
Appreciate the call. He's taking Pope in the fight. Be interesting to have a board because I think there's at least six or seven contenders. I think contenders will throw Todd golden in there for. For Drew. Bruce Pearl if Dennis Gates was in the military. Excuse me, Stephen Pearl if Dennis Gates was in the military. Lamont Paris, Porter Moser.
Shannon
Yes.
Matt Jones
And I'm gonna put Pope. That's six legit contenders. That's not even counting the dentist.
Shannon
We were talking during the break, Did Pope get any fights in the NBA against big guys in the NBA? Like, he knows how to fight. Maybe.
Matt Jones
What was the Madisonville thing like for you? Did you.
Drew
Oh, it was awesome. I knew we'd have a big turnout. I even told Ryan and Mario and Billy the night before. Like, man, y' all get ready. They're very excited here. I felt it brewing, but nothing like what we actually walked into. I couldn't believe it. With the full bleachers around the court. Just a very cool moment.
Matt Jones
I was shocked how many people were there. It was awesome. And I was shocked how strong Sid's arm was.
Shannon
Poor Sid almost broke the backboard on his shot. I sent Drew a note. I said, I hope, Drew, you took a minute to step back and appreciate what was happening because they came. That town loves you. And I only wish your mom and dad was there because that was really a special moment for you on Friday.
Drew
It was. I felt like I knew every face in the crowd. Sunday school teachers, school teachers, old coaches, friends, parents that helped raise me when I was being an idiot and probably TP in some of their houses. Not probably. It was great seeing everyone. Really was. That was going to be one. That will be one of my favorite shows we ever do.
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Well, I'm glad you deserved it. And it was a lot of. A lot of fun to be there. People were so nice. A lot of people took off school and work to come so so thank you to to Madisonville. National Sleep Month is here and better rest is a better mind. If you need gentle support to help sleep or something a little stronger for the restless nights. Organic Gummies Melatonin free from Cornbread Hemp. They keep you from having grogginess or weird dreams. It's or it's sleep gummies. And remember for National Sleep Month you get a free jar of the gummies with orders of $75 or more. $75 or more. Another free jar of gummies go to Cornbread Hemp grown for the good life. We'll take a break. Be right back.
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welcome back, Techie Sports radio. Couple things I want to do before we take calls for the end of the show. So if you were listening to pregame show, Josh Hopkins, UK fam was on. He is one of the producers for a movie, a short movie that's nominated for an Oscar called the Singers. It's nominated for best short movie. These are movies that are 30 minutes or shorter, Shannon, which, you know, you don't ever see movies that are 30 minutes or short.
Ryan
Sometimes I watch these long, long movies. I'm like, I wish they'd be 30 minutes. This is perfect for me.
Matt Jones
This is a perfect thing. And so he has one called the Singers. It's on Netflix and he came on the pregame show to talk cats and tell people to watch it. So I watched first. I thought it was great. Did you all watch it?
Shannon
I was disappointed that it ended. I wanted to keep going.
Matt Jones
You wanted it to be 25 minutes long?
Shannon
Yes, I want to be a two hour movie. It was outstanding. It was so well done. I loved it.
Matt Jones
First of all, I feel like these short movies are your thing.
Shannon
Perfect.
Matt Jones
You should watch all the nominees. I should watch them all because like they are, I think right now, Netflix, they're all on. I think it's. You can watch all five of them.
Shannon
All the nominees.
Ryan
They get to the point, I like that there's no messing around.
Matt Jones
So I thought the singers, which of course made in part by Kentucky, you know, they, they, Shannon, they found like nine guys who were really good singers on TikTok. Some of them were homeless, some of them sing in the subway, some of them just do whatever. And they brought them all together and created this movie.
Ryan
I think I would probably like that.
Matt Jones
And Drew, I think it's kind of beautiful. Like, when he said it was beautiful, I was like, he's just channeling Mark Pope. But it is kind of beautiful. And I sat and watched it Saturday night with my friend hubby, and we both were like, this is wonderful. So shout out to Josh. 20 minutes. You got. Just turn on Netflix. The Singers watch it. I think everybody will like it.
Drew
Yeah, I loved it. I went and, like, looked up all the actors because I need to know more. Well, they're not even actors. That was their first.
Matt Jones
None of them have acted before. And they're all just regular people.
Ryan
Sounds more like a documentary, but it.
Matt Jones
But they're not playing themselves.
Ryan
Okay.
Drew
And I like it being 18 minutes because I almost felt, you know, with movies, I pick up my phone, I just. I like, set my phone down. I was like, you can't miss a second in an 18 minute, 20 minutes. So I was dialed in.
Matt Jones
Well, I'm glad you liked it.
Shannon
I really liked it. I do have a question. Who won the hundred dollars?
Matt Jones
Okay. No spoilers. Haven't seen it yet.
Shannon
Well, they don't know what I'm talking about.
Drew
It's only 18.
Matt Jones
But they're going to turn. You don't understand the premise of a spoiler alert. Well, how about we let everyone watch it. Yes. And then we can talk about.
Shannon
I just wish it hadn't. It didn't end the way it ended. I'm like, come on, I want more.
Ryan
Yeah, right. You want to tell us anything else? For those of you who hasn't seen it, you want to go ahead and just tell us what happens?
Matt Jones
Just leave it. Stop, Stop. It's called the singers. It's 20 minutes. Well, I. I think everybody watching will, like, there's some salty language. So maybe you got to be careful with kids, but everybody else, I think they'll like it.
Shannon
I love the way it was shot, too.
Drew
Really well done.
Shannon
Yeah, very well done.
Drew
Great, great job. Associate producing.
Matt Jones
And then I don't. Yes, he did.
Shannon
I look for the credits to see his name. Scroll up.
Matt Jones
Tomorrow, by the way, is. If you're talking about. This is just me personally, I don't care what he would think about this. I'm just telling because this is, you know, in part about things I like because it's our show. The only election in America I care about until November is tomorrow.
Shannon
Is tomorrow.
Matt Jones
Yes.
Shannon
What is it?
Matt Jones
This dude, I told you about him three years ago, James Talrico, the dude that I saw on TikTok years ago, this legislator in Texas that I like a lot. And I don't care if you all like him or not. You don't have to tell me you like him or not. I like him. Christian running as a Democrat, we don't see a lot of those that are vocal. His primary is tomorrow in Texas, and it's going to be very close. And the person he's running against is not. She can't win. We need him to win. Or I want him to win. Because if he wins, I'm going to be honest with you, Ryan. I'll probably this summer go to Texas and work for him a little bit.
Shannon
Really?
Matt Jones
Not officially. Like, I'll volunteer.
Drew
Sure.
Matt Jones
Because I like this guy so much. So feel like a little. But he might lose. He could lose. Like. Like it's very. Like it. Like, it's very close.
Shannon
So there's the primaries in Texas that. Whether we're seeing all these Texas political ads.
Matt Jones
Yes. Because the primary is Tuesday.
Shannon
Gotcha.
Matt Jones
Like, our primary in Kentucky is not till what may.
Shannon
May see a lot of those political ads already, though.
Matt Jones
Can Nate Morris and Andy Barr just agree. Just chill.
Shannon
Every other commercial, it's going to be like this.
Matt Jones
The whole NCAA tournament.
Shannon
Yep.
Matt Jones
Does Daniel Cameron have any money?
Shannon
I haven't seen one.
Matt Jones
I've seen one Daniel Cameron ad. Have you?
Drew
Maybe he's just letting Nate Morris and all those guys blow their money and then he'll jump in.
Matt Jones
Oh, you think he's, like, waiting in the back with a steel chair?
Drew
Yeah, I just prefer the YouTube Zen, where it's just like, fish on the screen. And none of these commercials does.
Ryan
Nate Moore's the guy that's fully woken.
Shannon
Full of.
Ryan
Is that the one you're talking about?
Shannon
That runs.
Matt Jones
Well, Andy says he's fully woke.
Shannon
Well, there's.
Ryan
I don't know if that runs.
Matt Jones
It says he's fully runs all the time. And then Andy Barr's like, I apologize. Being white or.
Shannon
Or a Christian.
Matt Jones
Who was asking you to anyway? See, that's why Southland can't listen.
Shannon
Well, maybe Daniel Cameron, too.
Matt Jones
Political segment. But Southland. You can watch the singers.
Shannon
Yes. Very good. Very well done, Eric.
Matt Jones
Go ahead, Eric.
Caller
Hey, guys. I just. I tried to call last week, but I. Since you guys brought up J.Q. and his father being upset, I just. It's been on my mind as well. And I guess it's. It's disappointing. I feel disappointed because I don't see any indication that this is a shade and sharp type scenario where I don't either.
Matt Jones
I do.
Caller
His. You know, his entourage was pretty Vocal about, you know, we don't want him playing. I feel like J Key would be out there in a heartbeat. Nothing I've seen from that kid, so it's, you know, he had the chance to go to Arkansas, follow California. He didn't. That speaks volumes to me that he wasn't a cow guy, he was a Kentucky guy, and he wanted to come, you know, live out his college dream playing for the Cats. And I think Ryan's been kind of on his side as well a lot. Just, you know, pointing out to fans that, like, this guy had a pretty insane injury just in February of last year, and it's amazing that he actually came back. But I just wish our fans, you know, I wish they'd lay off the guy. There's a chance he could come back, you know?
Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, I think that's unlikely. But I. But I appreciate the call. I. I don't. I don't really disagree with you, David. Go ahead, David.
Caller
Hey, guys, how we doing today?
Matt Jones
Good. What's up?
Caller
Just follow up on the Tom Hart comment about the cats up by 21. Biggins just brought it. Brought a tear to my eye right when he said that.
Matt Jones
I hope John got to hear it. I appreciate. I. I appreciate the call. It was very nice of Tom to do. Harper, Go ahead, Harper.
Caller
Hey, what's up, man? Y' all doing all right today?
Matt Jones
Yes, go ahead.
Caller
Good. I was just.
Ryan
I didn't.
Caller
I got in on the show late, so I didn't know that you had already talked about jq. I was just gonna ask about the possibility. You think of him coming back?
Matt Jones
I think it's very low.
Drew
I'd be very.
Caller
I mean.
Matt Jones
You there, Go ahead.
Ryan
No, he hung up.
Matt Jones
Yeah, I think it's very low. Very, very low.
Shannon
Not this late in the game.
Drew
Yeah, just that he hadn't practiced and it's the last week of the season.
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Shannon
I'm a big fan of Arizona. When they're at full strength, they are very, very good. I pick Arizona.
Drew
I think spreads like up by 8.8ish, I'm going to say I was state covers on the road.
Matt Jones
Arizona pounded Kansas.
Shannon
Yeah, they did at home.
Matt Jones
Who's your pick to win the title right now?
Shannon
Michigan Or Arizona or.
Matt Jones
Dude, I didn't know you don't. Or. Who's your pick to win the title? You don't just get to say all the good teams. Who is your pick to win the title? Arizona, Arizona.
Drew
Surprise pick here. I'll say Yukon.
Matt Jones
Yukon.
Ryan
Shannon, Michigan.
Matt Jones
All right, Duke.
Shannon
See, we all got different ones. Those, those are the, those are the squad though, right?
Matt Jones
Let me just also say my second. My, my. I would go Duke one, Arizona to Florida third.
Shannon
Yeah. Now I think there's a drop off to the next tier of good team.
Matt Jones
Those five I think are the best. And then I'll never count out Houston with Kelvin Sampson.
Shannon
Yeah.
Matt Jones
But if you make me pick. I think Duke is scary good right now and I think it's scary good how good John Shire is. You know, most of the time the whole guy after a legend doesn't work.
Shannon
But he's, he's figured it out.
Matt Jones
He's figured it out. And you listen to like I was listening to Sam Vicini talking about it and he's just like, they're just rolling. They're just set up every year to be good. Yeah, they've got this factory ready, so I don't want them to win, but I think they're good. All right, tomorrow, we'll see you later. This has been Kentucky Sports Radio.
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KSR Podcast - March 2, 2026, Hour 2
Host: Matt Jones and the KSR crew
Listen Link: Original Episode on iHeart
The KSR crew, led by Matt Jones, dives into the latest UK basketball chatter, analyzing coach antics, recruiting strategies, and fan perspectives. Key topics include a heated courtside exchange between John Calipari and Todd Golden, philosophies on recruiting and transfer portal use, the SEC basketball "Royal Rumble" hypothetical, in-depth observations from women's basketball, and a few light moments reflecting on fan interactions and community support. The team keeps their classic, candid banter throughout.
Memorable Quotes:
Notable Quotes:
On Coaches’ “Hold Me Back” Guys:
“Cal has probably done the best job of any coach in history at having multiple guys to hold him back.” (06:03, Matt Jones)
On Recruiting:
“You have to get a stud. Whether it's the number one player in high school or one of the Portal guys that you just know are sure things.” (16:22, Drew)
On observing Dawn Staley:
"She would almost set up calls, two calls in advance ... She would go, 'Watch her on the block...watch her knee on the block.' And then three times: foul on the block." (33:10–33:44, Matt Jones)
On Mark Pope skepticism:
“I'm not anti-Pope...but right now they're 19-10, and I still don't have a lot of optimism about March, even though Saturday was fun and I'm excited.” (30:48, Drew)
Coaching Fashion:
Group jokes about Calipari’s “ugly jackets” and speculates if his wife, Ellen, is to blame.
Parenting & Youth Sports:
Matt’s take on why supporting kids in sports makes sense—even if he doesn’t immediately want kids himself.
Community Hero:
Drew’s Madisonville homecoming is appreciated as a highlight.
Pop Culture Plug:
The crew reviews "The Singers," an Oscar-nominated short, recommending it for its beauty and brevity (41:02–43:55).
The episode is classic KSR: lively, witty, and self-aware with a healthy mix of technical basketball talk, Kentucky sports culture, and barbershop humor. The hosts poke fun at themselves, share authentic observations, and maintain strong audience engagement, all with trademark Bluegrass charm.
For more, tune in to the full episode or catch daily KSR on iHeart or Sports Talk 790.