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Matt Jones
It is Kentucky Sports Radio Friday, February 24th. We are live on an absolutely perfect Mountain Friday Mountain Spring Day here in Manchester Kentucky at the Freedom House, operated by Volunteers of America Mid State. You can give us Shannon Clark's puppet shop, phone line 859. Yeah, how about that? Got a pop 2287. A vision auto glass text machine is 772-77-45254. And this edition sponsored by the TJ Smith Law Office. We call TJ, he'll make them pay. I'm going to do a little bit of an intro here. First of all, this, this location, the Freedom House here in Manchester opened in March 2020 and is unlike any other place in the state. It is the only residential recovery program in the state that allows mothers and children to live together with while the mother is getting treatment for addiction. They have had over 763 women, 426 children. And we are here today because they are going to make an even larger expansion on this side. And we are here to cut the ribbons.
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Matt Jones
What a great program this is for, I assume people not just in Clay county, all around the area where people who have addiction issues can come, they can get treatment, but also be around their kids, which I think is an amazing thing. And one of the great things about Volunteers of America all around the state of Kentucky. We've been to events in Louisville, we've been here. This is an effort that people from all across the political aisle, all across the state, city, rural, they all come together for this. And in my opinion, these are the things that are the best of Kentucky. And I appreciate you all having us here this morning. And we are in Manchester, we are in Clay county, the heart of, of eastern Kentucky right here. You got to want to get here. And I was on a road today that I've never been on. That was beautiful. This 452 out here now, it's is that's a little windy. Not quite like going to Buckhorn, but it's a little windy. And Ryan, we're in Clay county and you are wearing a very tight jersey today.
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Billy Reed
This jersey fits me like a glove. I look like a play right now. This is the legendary Richie Farmer, number 32 Clay County Jersey I'm wearing.
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Matt Jones
But what size did they give you?
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Ryan Lemond
Yeah, I don't think Richie ever wore that first of all jersey.
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Matt Jones
I remember Richie being a little chubby in high school, but you didn't look like this.
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Ryan Lemond
He looks like the kid in Teen Wolf.
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Matt Jones
No.
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Billy Reed
Oh, yeah. The big guy in Teen.
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Ryan Lemond
I'm not going to say, I'm not going to use the F word, but chubby in Teen Wolf well, you know, but you.
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Matt Jones
But listen, you're a good sport and you're going to be support sporting number 32, the whole show.
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Billy Reed
What an honor and a pleasure to, you know, celebrate the greatest basketball player in the history of Clay County, Richie Farmer right here.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. And we have 1987, you know, the. The 40th anniversary of this team coming here very soon. Did you think you're that old? 40th anniversary. The 87 Clay County State championship team coming next year. Great crowd here this morning. Now, so I came in from London and I'm used to coming to the city, which is you would go through the How Rogers Parkway. So this is a. This was a new way for me. And I was thinking on the drive, man, this is really windy. But even more funny, Shannon, is that last night, our guy Mario, he put in the wrong address for the hotel. He put in this address. So he drove that road last night, and he came here last night. Now, for people, those of you listening, we have no cell phone coverage right here. We. And so Mario was here in Clay county, lost. Late at night. He got. He. I called him, and I could hear the panic in his voice. He was like, it's really dark here. I'm gonna try to find my way back, but I don't have service. And I. We almost had to. Shannon, come rescue him.
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Ryan Lemond
Yeah, you and I were sitting there last night watching the NFL draft is starting to get late in the night, and we're going, where's Mario at? And I go, well, he probably just left a little late. No, he went an hour out of his way, 30 minutes out of the way, 30 minutes back, and ended up here.
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Matt Jones
Got lost. Got lost in Clay County. But he's here now. And let me just say, you guys, what a great crowd. Clay county, we've done many things here over the years from. From this show to wrestling, and people always come out and we appreciate it. So thank you all very much. Billy, lot of stuff to get to today. Probably the biggest story is the knuckleheads won.
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Billy Reed
Yes.
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Matt Jones
Yes. Well, they got some people who rely on state funding here, so they're trying to not be too loud. But yesterday, right after the show, the thing I hinted at in the morning ended up coming true. Mitch Barnhart, the contract was ripped up for the post career position at UK Five years. Million dollars a year ripped up. Mitch Barnhart announced that he had decided to. To res. To not take the position. I mean, everybody could say what they want. I don't think that was completely what happened, but. And Eli Capilouto, in his statement, said he didn't say what he was going to still pay him, but he did say insinuated they were going to pay him something. And Eli said, I'm going to personally raise it. I'm interested who's given money for that? But amazingly, the complaints and sort of the questions about why that contract was given, it worked, and it ended up going away.
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Guest Analyst
It wasn't just a vocal minority when Andy Beshear got involved. I think that's why you saw the decision made. And look, I mean, there were real questions what the job duties were, why he would take this when there were cuts in other departments. So it started with a couple knuckleheads that I know well.
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Matt Jones
I mean, I do think, Ryan, it's an example of how, like, you could, in today's world, you can put public pressure. I mean, it started with a couple of knuckleheads with Drew and I, but also fans online going, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. What's the job they're going to do? And they kept. They kept not answering the question. They kept trying to avoid it. It built up steam. Built up steam. And then when Beshear, I think, got in, that was the final straw. And I think, in my opinion, they just sacrificed Barnhart so that they could keep the law school dean and everybody could kind of move on. That's kind of what I think happened. But were you surprised?
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Billy Reed
I was a little surprised. But like we said yesterday, at least maybe they're doing a little cya. Good pr. We're going to fall on the sword and rip this up because it stunk. It was a. It was a horrible situation. But you bringing it up kind of got it in the forefront. And then Brett sets are kind of.
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Matt Jones
With Brett Setzer, that was a big part of having one of the biggest donors. I forgot about that. Glad you brought that up.
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Billy Reed
Yeah. And then when the governor. The governor of your state gets on board with it and try to expose that this deal is kind of stinky.
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Matt Jones
But. Well, I mean, look, it was a perfect. The problem was there was nobody for it. Okay. Like, seriously, if you think about all the people involved in a university decision, you have the. The faculty at the school, they were against it. They're like, you're cutting everything at this school, and you're gonna do this right? You had the media going, what in the world's going on? You had fans who didn't like it. Then you. Now with Brett Setzer, you had big donors who didn't like it. Then all of a sudden you get the governor who doesn't like it. There was nobody really Shannon for it. And so at that point, I don't think there was any way it could stay.
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Ryan Lemond
It's sort of a shame, though, that nobody from within said something about this. First it had to be the media, in this case us calling this situation what it was. It stuck. We knew that and nobody else was saying anything. It took us to, to basically bring this up to where it is now.
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Matt Jones
All right, so for the future, here's where I think it matters going forward. All right, as everybody knows, they got to get an ad. And I think Mitch Barnhart did a very good job at Kentucky for most of his time. But now it's a new world of college basketball in college football. It's a new world where money is. Is at the forefront. It was always at the forefront, but now it's explicit. You've got to be able to kind of push the envelope. Etc. Ryan, here's how I read that happening yesterday. I think Mitch Barnhart created an athletic department in his image. If you listen to the interview that I did with Kyle Tucker yesterday on Interrupted, he talks about this. Everyone in the athletic department. And I like all these people, they all kind of were in his image. A lot of them went to church together. A lot of them like, they just kind of all, like he hired people like himself with that being cut off and them ending his association with the school. Ryan I think it's also symbolic of a break now from the Barnhart era. I think it would be very surprising if they hire an AD that was under him. Wouldn't you agree with that?
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Billy Reed
I think so. I think the program just needs a breath of fresh air like we saw at the football program.
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Matt Jones
But don't you think that that move kind of means they're going outside of UK and outside of the Barnhart tree for an ad?
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Billy Reed
I think so. You know, we all agree Barnard did great things for our athletic programs at Kentucky. But as far as the inner workings of the athletic program, that's what needs, I think, is a fresh breath to come in and read. Maybe a younger go getter guy or gal. I think we perfect.
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Matt Jones
Don't say gal.
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Ryan Lemond
He doesn't like that word.
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Billy Reed
I know he didn't like that word.
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Matt Jones
Well, I don't think they. I don't think that if the next ad, I don't think you want to show up at the press conference and go, hey, gal, how you doing? I think you would just give like,
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Ryan Lemond
you know, but when somebody retires, though, and you're trying to start fresh, you don't want that influence sort of hovering over. And I think that's what would have definitely happened if Barnhart took that position. Right. His influence still would have been there.
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Matt Jones
So I will say I wish Mitch the best. I think he did a lot of stuff here. This is. I think yesterday was a symbolic break. There was a period after probation in football when Mitch Barnhart was brought in. And there was a certain. That era, which was now almost 25 years. Yeah, right. I think it officially ended yesterday. I now think you're going to see a completely new era. They're going to bring completely different kinds of people in here, and we'll see if it's better or worse. I don't know. But that, to me, is what happened yesterday. And then secondly, some reports came out of which I can confirm. I wanted somebody else to be the first one to put it out that Kentucky basketball is still trying to hire Jamal Crawford as their assistant coach. Now, some of you may remember Jamal Crawford is an NBA player, good NBA player, really, like a beloved player, kind of in the basketball community. He does games for Amazon. So if you watch the playoff games, he's one of the announcers. Kentucky has two weeks ago offered him that final assistant coach position. He turned him down. Then they came back about a week ago and said, will you reconsider? And now, apparently he is actually really reconsidering. The problem is he's calling these playoff games, so he's traveling around. Why does it matter? Well, a, I think he would add a coolness factor that I think we could all agree. Maybe Mark Pope is not the coolest guy in the world, but B, he's very close with Tyron Stokes. And, you know, Ryan, I actually think part of why you're trying to hire Crawford is to be the final piece that could get Tyron Stokes to actually come here. I would want him either way. But what do you think of the news? He's still considering job.
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Billy Reed
I guess we know why that spot's been not filled.
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Matt Jones
That would make sense why no one's been hired. We've sat here and said, why is there not another assistant? That would be the reason if they're
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Billy Reed
trying to really pursue him. You got him. You've got Mo Williams on staff who has a connection to Stokes. You got Zoom Diallo on your roster who has a connection to Stokes. Maybe this could be the final piece that even Stokes is waiting on to see if they hire Jamal Crawford.
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Ryan Lemond
Knowing what you Just said, I think if he can make that higher, that could be the hire that saves Mark Pope's job. Because if things don't go well and you don't get Stokes next year.
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Matt Jones
But even if they don't, I have to say, Billy, I mean, I, I, I, like everyone here, I'm sure, wants Mark Pope to succeed. Everybody, like, that's part. Every single person wants him to succeed. I mean, we all want to see it work. The biggest weakness that I think Pope has had on the recruiting trail is that it's like milk salesmen coming to try to get people to like, it's just a, it's a nerdy staff. And they have now replaced one with Mo Williams, who everybody will say is cool. And you could do the same with Jamal Crawford. And now you can kind of balance that. I think it could be a great hire for them if they can do it regardless of whether they get tired.
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Guest Analyst
Mo Williams, an NBA champion. Jamal Crawford winning six man of the year, although years. I mean, that would relate to younger kids and help Mark Pope in an area that he has struggled in. So are you guys still holding out on Stokes? Like, where are we on this?
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Matt Jones
I mean, I'm not holding out, but I think the Internet has given up too quickly on him. I don't, I'm not saying we're going to get him. I have no idea. But I will tell you, UK still, as of yesterday, thinks they can get him. They're still, like, holding, waiting, trying to make it happen. Now they believe, or at least they did believe, that he would decide something by the end of this week. Looking at the calendar, that's today. So if they, I think if he doesn't, then UK might at some point just have to go. Look, we can't keep waiting. But I do Ryan, think they think they have a shot.
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Billy Reed
Like Shannon said, this could, you know, turn things around for Pope. You hire Crawford, that brings in Stokes, everything changes overnight.
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Matt Jones
I think if you bring in Stokes, this fan base will be. Shannon stoked for next year and would be like, there would be, There would be an excitement that this group really.
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Ryan Lemond
No doubt there's been a lot of negativity in the offseason from the fans, which I understand, but if you get the number one player, then all of a sudden, I think that changes the narrative for the off season, and that's important for Mark Pope going into the season.
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Billy Reed
Sure.
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Matt Jones
I agree. We are here in Clay county at the Freedom House cutting the ribbon on a big expansion. When this is done, they'll be able to serve more than 300 women and children annually with the Volunteers of America, which is an absolutely awesome thing for our. We will take a break and come back. Great crowd here in Clay county on a perfect day. It's ksr. We're lost and kickoff's coming up. I don't want to miss the lineup.
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Matt Jones
Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio here live in Manchester at the Volunteers of America Mid States. We thank the First national bank of Manchester. All right. Hey, Clay County.
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Caller
Shh.
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Matt Jones
Come on now. The Dave Flannery Veterans Support Fund and the People's Rural Telephone Cooperative for all sponsoring this. Yeah, you can give them around.
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Billy Reed
Absolutely.
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Matt Jones
Couple things here. First of all, right next to us, Ryan, is it looks like Calvary Baptist Church. And as soon as I pulled up, that hymn now keeps playing in my hymn at Calvary Bird. Do you know that?
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Billy Reed
Yeah, that sounds just like it. That's exactly.
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Matt Jones
You were bopping your head. You know which one I'm singing?
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Ryan Lemond
Has that replaced God's up to Something in your head? Because last night in the hotel room, I heard you three different times singing God's up to Something out loud.
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Matt Jones
Now, I'll be singing at Calvary here in, in Manchester. One person writes, Matt, I want to ask Ryan and Mario, are they still confident about their eyeballs from Wednesday night?
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Billy Reed
I'd say not as confident.
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Ryan Lemond
Oh, wow.
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Matt Jones
You're.
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Ryan Lemond
You're.
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Matt Jones
Mario, you're still confident. Why are you not still confident?
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Billy Reed
Because, man, this in the transfer portal world, like I said, we said this
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Matt Jones
guy changed their mind overnight, but that was always true. You still put the eyeballs out.
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Billy Reed
But I didn't put a name out. That's why I was afraid.
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Matt Jones
But you said yesterday what the name was.
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Billy Reed
I didn't. Homeboy over here did.
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Ryan Lemond
Well, we got reports that the guy was in the bookstore buying his own uk.
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Matt Jones
But the reports were Mario.
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Ryan Lemond
I know, but why is he buying his own UK gear? You get that stuff for free when you're on the team.
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Matt Jones
I don't know. Also, by the way, in terms of the Barnhart thing, another person to give a shout out to is Linda Blackford of the Leader who wrote that big article, too, that I think was. That was part of it. The NFL draft started last night just so People know it goes tonight and tomorrow. I looked at the final ESPN mock draft. Kentucky has five guys projected to be drafted. And I don't think, I don't think I realized that until I saw it. We didn't feel like a team that would have five guys drafted. But Jalen Farmer, the offensive lineman, is projected to be our first pick. David Gusta, the defensive lineman. Jagger Burton, our center, is projected to be pick. And then Seth McGowan, the running back, who was kind of on and off again hurt. And Kendrick Law, who we never threw the ball to ever, is also projected to be picked. So five guys potentially picked over the next couple days.
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Billy Reed
Yeah, you said that during the break. Kind of surprised me. I knew our top three guys, I thought they were going to get drafted, but I was a little surprised. McGowan and Farmer are in these mock drafts. They could probably find a spot on a roster.
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Matt Jones
Farmer might get picked today, Billy. They have him potentially going in round two or three.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah, and Jagger's gotten a lot of hype in this process. David Gusta was the one that had the video of doing the bench press and he was hitting a lot of them. First time in a decade that the SEC didn't have the most first round.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, see now I think that's actually a really interesting side note story. For the first time in 12 years, the SEC did not have the most first round draft picks. If you want to see the difference that NIL is making, the fact that the SEC did not have the most first round picks and the only one more than the acc. So, Shannon, you're seeing that now that everybody has money, the talent is spreading around amongst the top schools, which I think ultimately is good for Kentucky football. I think it's good. That means we can get some guys. We're not playing against rosters that are loaded like they used to be. But it was interesting. This is the first time in 12
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Ryan Lemond
years not only good for Kentucky football, I think it's good for college football just in general because, you know, Alabama would hoard guys and you would have like the 70th player on the team who could play somewhere else and make a lot of good money and we're at good players, but we're, you know, on the bench there for an Alabama team.
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Matt Jones
When you have the Big Ten at the most, when you have the ACC and the Big 12 having a basically the same amount as the SEC, it's kind of a different world in college football. Who's up first?
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Billy Reed
Got Noah up first.
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Matt Jones
Noah, Go ahead, Noah.
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Caller
Hey, man, thank you guys for taking my call. Regarding. From the Mitch situation. Really glad to see they actually made a good decision from on that. On the other side of it, I'm a little disappointed we're not going to get an epic moment, the first game of the basketball season with a random fan sitting behind Tom Hart on the ESPN broadcast with a big sign with, like, a Rihanna cover album poster with Mitch's head on the front that has the caption of Mitch better have my money.
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Matt Jones
I appreciate the call. I think ultimately part of the reason this happened, Ryan, is they didn't want this to linger. The Barnhart thing. I mean, they didn't want it to linger. Now, here's my question. They did say they were going to pay him a severance. How much do you think it is? And you think they let him keep the tickets? They didn't announce whether or not he was keeping the tickets. Tickets. You know, I'm okay with two tickets.
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Billy Reed
Him and his wife, lifetime tickets.
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Matt Jones
I'm fine with that.
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Billy Reed
He did great things at that university. I'm okay with two tickets. I'm okay with two tickets to football. I'm okay with two tickets to all the sports.
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Matt Jones
That's nice of you.
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Billy Reed
I mean, I think. I think he's deserving of somewhat of a severance package. I think he did great things, but
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Ryan Lemond
the money wise, well, he didn't need 10 either. And I must stand up for Drew because he's not here. And that's the thing that really stuck in Drew's crawl.
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Matt Jones
Well, I mean, 10 tickets, why do you need 10? Like, how many. Like, how many people you got in your life?
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Ryan Lemond
All your friends, family. I don't have 10 friends I would even want to go with.
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Matt Jones
I agree. I do wonder if you're. If you're a donor and Eli Capilouto comes to you and goes, all right, can you give me a hundred thousand dollars to hand to Mitch Barnhart as he walks out the door? How many people are gonna say yes to that?
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Billy Reed
I don't think there's a lot of supporters on the Mitch Barnhart side at this point. That may be kind of tough to come up with because Capitol said he's going to come up with the money himself.
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Matt Jones
He says, I'm going to come up with the money personally to go and get it.
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Ryan Lemond
So I didn't know if he was going to raise that or if he was just going to hand it out of his own bank account to him.
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Matt Jones
I assume he thinks he's going to raise it. But it is interesting because I think that'll actually not be easy money to raise. Who's next? Brandon is up next. Brandon. Go ahead, Brandon.
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Caller
Hey, fellas. With this transfer portal, I feel like we're in the movie Major League all the time, and we're looking at our roster and going, who are these guys? And then almost like the owners are looking at it and they're looking at the whole list, and somebody goes, oh, that guy's dead. We'll cross him off then. I mean, I think we're at that point.
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Matt Jones
Well, first of all, I appreciate the call. I think part of the reason our roster is turning over so much is Pope's got to do a better job of retaining people. I mean, look at Florida. Florida's bringing back their entire roster.
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Billy Reed
Amazing.
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Matt Jones
Florida is bringing back their entire roster from a team that was really good.
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Billy Reed
Yep.
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Matt Jones
Duke. A bunch of dudes for Duke are coming back. A bunch of dudes for Arizona are coming back. A lot of these other schools, Billy, are getting people to come back. We recruit. Part of what happened with Pope is he recruited about five guys that he thought would come back. He thought was he was going to have another year of Jalen Lowe. He thought he was going to have another year of Modibate. He thought he was going to have another year of Brandon Garrison. He thought he was going to have another year Trip. No, et cetera. And he expected all those players to improve, and then the guys got hurt or didn't improve, and they don't bring him back. And that's why there's such a turnover.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah. And when you don't have a ton of high school recruiting, then you have to go in the portal to fill those spots.
- [27:31]
Matt Jones
And I can't believe he got no high school players.
- [27:34]
Ryan Lemond
None, none, none, none.
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Guest Analyst
And we heard that maybe he had overpaid a little bit to keep some of those guys there. And now they're not seeing year three guys like Brandon Garrison or Colin Chandler.
- [27:43]
Ryan Lemond
That's disappointing.
- [27:44]
Matt Jones
I mean, we still have. Just for people to know. We still need, like, five players.
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Matt Jones
We still have a lot of spots open, and there's only a handful of players left in the port, left in the top players, the portal. And we only have, what, six roster spots filled? I mean, we still got a lot of dudes to go and get. We'll take a break and be right back here in Clay county at Volunteers America, this Kentucky Sports Radio. Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio here live in Manchester at the Freedom House, operated by Volunteers of America. Only residential recovery program in the state for mothers and their children who can live together. We just saw. Was it Braden Bryson, four weeks old? Who. Who's. Whose mother is here? And then in walking. Walking around. Well, the baby's not walking around. She asked if I wanted to hold the baby. I'm. I'm. I'm anti. I don't want to drop babies.
- [28:35]
Ryan Lemond
You don't want that liability. I understand. I wouldn't either.
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Matt Jones
That's the lawyer in me. I don't want to drop a baby. So I'll just. You just stay over there, and we'll. And I'll cheer you on. All right. We do have to talk about. I'm sorry. Before we go to the phones, I got to talk about the Mike Rainbow situation. I mean, what. Whoa. Okay, so this story started two weeks ago. We talked about it on Cover zero, Billy. Just interlocking fingers like two married people with interlocking fingers. And we were like, well, can you still be friends and interlock fingers? And we said, well, I don't know if you can be friends and interlock fingers. That feels a little intimate. But they both insisted their friends were there and nothing was going on. Then later, pictures came out, and the two. And they were like, sitting at a blackjack table at a different time and kind of sitting close to each other. And then it started to fall apart. In the last 48 hours, Vrabel announces he's going to skip Day 3 of the draft to be with his family and go through counseling. Still a bizarre decision. Like, our family's good through rounds one through three, but by round four, we must now get counseling. Well, Mike, can you get it the next day? No. It has to start day three of the draft. Not before, not after. And now we see why. As last night, Shannon, pictures come out from six years ago. Six years ago of them making out at a bar six years ago. And it comes out that in. That was six years ago, in 2021, which was after that, she had a child and named it Mike.
- [30:17]
Ryan Lemond
Oh, the story just gets better and better and better.
- [30:20]
Matt Jones
She had a child and named it the same name as Mike Rabel, who she was kissing in a bar a year before this story. Now. Now it's like. And you got like. Part of me thinks, shannon, it's not even all out yet. So here's my question for you. Who was holding on to these pictures for six years? They've been holding on to these pictures for six years and then let it go?
- [30:45]
Ryan Lemond
Do you think it was just some random fan who got a picture and goes, oh, There's Mike Vrabel making out with some random person.
- [30:51]
Matt Jones
See, I wonder if it's like, since this started, somebody went, oh, yeah, we were at a bar one time. Remember when we saw
- [30:58]
Ryan Lemond
through six years of pictures in the Cloud to find that one? And then how much do you sell that one for to the paper?
- [31:04]
Matt Jones
I don't know. They went to the same paper as had the original ones, which is the New York Post. Ryan, I. Again, we saw it with Mitch Barnhart in terms of the. Of the not explaining the contract, and now we see it here. If you don't talk or you lie, you are asking for the story to be even bigger than it was. And that's what happened with this. Absolutely.
- [31:30]
Billy Reed
So what happened with this? So why not? You know, you get busted, you got to just, right, be a man, step up. And I got. Did it. You know, this was bad. This is wrong. I'm going to go to counseling immediately, not wait till day three of the draft.
- [31:40]
Matt Jones
The day three of the draft. Billy is like. I mean, basically, he's acknowledging that his. His family is worth a compensatory pick at the end of the third round. Like, like, he's like, you know, I'm still got to pick my first and second round guys, but. But the. But for the fourth round, I'll pick my family.
- [31:57]
Guest Analyst
I really don't understand that because it makes it a football program now. You're not in the building. Important day during the draft. And that just makes the story even bigger.
- [32:04]
Matt Jones
Well, it sounded like he wasn't going to be around for a while.
- [32:07]
Ryan Lemond
It makes the family, I'm sure, feel unimportant. It would also make me as a player feel unimportant if I got picked in the fourth round and my coach isn't there because he's off to counseling.
- [32:17]
Matt Jones
The story is crazy. Do you think there's. I kind of think there's still more.
- [32:21]
Ryan Lemond
Oh, yeah, it's slowly unraveling, the slow drip.
- [32:26]
Matt Jones
I. I think, Ryan, there's just. There's going to be more. And it. And you know, now you see all these. Like, there's an interview where Diana Rossini is interviewing him and asking about his wife.
- [32:39]
Billy Reed
Oh, yeah.
- [32:40]
Guest Analyst
Or she's like, what's your favorite part of your birthday today so far?
- [32:43]
Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean, she's like, asking, and then she names the kid Mike.
- [32:47]
Ryan Lemond
The tweets, they're digging back through now at that time.
- [32:50]
Matt Jones
It's brutal. It's brutal. And all of this is in part because at the beginning, they didn't just Fess up to it. Right.
- [32:57]
Billy Reed
You know, it makes you wonder sometimes when things like this happen, other women may come step forward. You know, this could really blow up in his face quickly.
- [33:05]
Ryan Lemond
It already has.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I don't. I think the video from six years ago is the one that really takes him down. Who's next? Megan is next. Megan, go ahead. Megan.
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Caller
Hi, Matt. Thank you all for taking my call. I just wanted to give a shout out to today. My grandfather will be 90 tomorrow. His, his 90th birthday is tomorrow and I know you don't normally do this, but he was actually on Rup's 1958 championship team and so he's a huge UK fan. And tomorrow.
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Matt Jones
What was that? If he was on the 58 team. What's his name?
- [33:41]
Caller
Harold Ross.
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Billy Reed
Oh my goodness.
- [33:43]
Caller
He did not play very much.
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Matt Jones
Wait a minute.
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Matt Jones
Why? Sorry, his mic was down. You went oh my goodness. Why?
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Billy Reed
I just watched a thing on Harold Ross last night that Mike Mallory did at Channel 6 in Paducah. Did a one on one sit down with Harold Ross on his front porch. I just watched it last night.
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Caller
I was right there beside him when they were doing that.
- [34:05]
Matt Jones
Well, there you go.
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Billy Reed
I encourage you know this is a national champion from 1958, one of the few still living. Go back and listen to his days playing for up. It's fascinating. It's wonderful. Go, go listen to it.
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Matt Jones
Well, happy birthday to, to Harold. Happy 90th birthday and I appreciate you calling in.
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Caller
Thank you all so much.
- [34:24]
Matt Jones
Wow. You were very, you were very excited.
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Billy Reed
Well, my buddy Mike Mallory over there in Paducah, he did this. He was proud of it so he sent it to me. So I watched it last night for I went to bed and it's. It is man. It's a time gone by the 1958. Those guys that what they did, they
- [34:36]
Matt Jones
went through and won a championship that beat Elgin Baylor.
- [34:39]
Billy Reed
That's right.
- [34:40]
Matt Jones
Okay.
- [34:40]
Billy Reed
Fiddling five.
- [34:41]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Who's up next? Fake Barney is up next. Fake Barney, go ahead.
- [34:49]
Caller
Oops. I think poke with again can get players to sign while holding the pen. He's one of us untouchable but he's got to stop be corny like he's got milk to sell. Cause to lose Rob this Sean Sebastian Dean Chris Quinn, Corey Magoon Jason Terrence Cruz Anthony Bryce Kwame Dylan Devin Evan and Finland Daily Brennan Miles. Oh no. Oh baby, baby OOP o did it again. He lost a recruit he needs a gm. Oh baby, baby oop. Our roster is broke. We need Tyron St to be Beautiful and magnificent.
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Matt Jones
Thank. I have to tell you, that was listening to that while watching the crowd in Clay County's face. There was a huge. Like, there were people laughing. There were people very perplexed at what was going on.
- [35:51]
Ryan Lemond
A lot of confusion.
- [35:52]
Matt Jones
There was a lot of confusion. So I appreciate the call. I thought that was funny, but it was equally as funny, was looking at the people who are like, what is happening?
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Caller
Right.
- [36:03]
Ryan Lemond
It's a great remix. It's funny because you and I were telling Mario about some of the colors we used to get. Fake colors. Like fake Barney. I haven't heard from Barney in forever.
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Matt Jones
I will say, Ryan, the Internet is full of videos and comments about Pope's recruiting. A guy did a skit, which I'm not tweeting because I don't want to get. That's great. But a guy, whoever you are, that did the skit skit where you were acting like Mark Pope on a recruiting visit. I mean, I didn't want to laugh, but sometimes you have to laugh so you don't cry. It was pretty funny. Have you seen that?
- [36:39]
Billy Reed
I've seen it. I'm like you. I didn't want to retweet it, but I. I watched it, and I feel guilty. I laughed several times.
- [36:45]
Matt Jones
We all watched it, and I. We didn't want to laugh. But it is kind of funny about what Mark Pope's recruiting visits must be like.
- [36:52]
Ryan Lemond
Put the bald cap on.
- [36:53]
Matt Jones
A bald cap on.
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Guest Analyst
Well, Kyle Tucker mentioned it in your interview that Kentucky is getting laughed at right now.
- [36:58]
Matt Jones
Yeah, that's unfortunate. Who's next? Dennis is next. Dennis. Go ahead, Dennis.
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Caller
Hey, a couple of things here. Number one, in my opinion, if the college program is going after an assistant coach just to get a player, that's very unethical.
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Matt Jones
Why? Why do you say that? Why is it unethical? I mean, if we're allowed to pay players directly, what's wrong with having a coach that the player likes?
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Caller
You don't see that that's unethical just to hire somebody just a good player? I don't.
- [37:33]
Matt Jones
Well, first of all.
- [37:35]
Caller
First of all, very unethical.
- [37:36]
Matt Jones
First of all, Kentucky's done that many times in history, okay? So this would. This would not.
- [37:40]
Caller
That's the reason why they. Well, we've had, like. They're looking.
- [37:45]
Matt Jones
Well, first. First of all, are you a Kentucky fan?
- [37:49]
Caller
I grew up a huge Kentucky basketball fan.
- [37:51]
Matt Jones
But are you.
- [37:53]
Caller
But I. No, I'm no longer a college basketball fan. I'm a baseball fan, but I'm no longer a College basketball.
- [37:59]
Matt Jones
Okay, now wait a minute, hang on. If you're a college football fan, you realize every school in America has hired assistant coach to get college to get high school football player. Like every one of them, you pick the school there, they have hired someone to get people to play there at every school in America.
- [38:19]
Caller
But does two wrongs make a right? I always heard two wrongs never made it right.
- [38:23]
Matt Jones
Okay, but you're saying that Kentucky basketball is looked at a certain way because of it. Yes, they are. Every school has done that. Every single one of them.
- [38:34]
Caller
You ever, you ever, you ever watch Dan Dawkich?
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Matt Jones
Okay, there we go. You're a Dan Dawkich fan. I mean, is that, Are you really, Is that what you're going to use?
- [38:42]
Caller
No, no, I'm not.
- [38:45]
Matt Jones
Is your example of ethics going to be Dan Dakotch?
- [38:49]
Caller
No, I'm just saying that that's what a lot of people, they think like him. I'm not saying I think like him, but there's a perception. If you don't think there's a perception outside of Kentucky that Kentucky's corrupt basketball program, then.
- [39:01]
Matt Jones
Okay, do you, do you think Kentucky is corrupt under Mark Pope?
- [39:06]
Caller
No.
- [39:07]
Matt Jones
Okay, so then what are you arguing?
- [39:10]
Caller
But don't you. But if he goes out, hires an assistant coach just to get a player, in my opinion, he will become.
- [39:17]
Matt Jones
If he does that, I. There's no way you're going to convince me. He can go hand Tyron Stokes legally $8 million. Hand him $8 million. Or he could hire a coach Stokes is comfortable with, pay him six hundred thousand dollars. And you're telling me the six hundred thousand dollar hire is less ethical than the eight million dollars handed to the kid?
- [39:44]
Caller
It's not the money, it's. It's that you're hiring somebody. You're not hiring that person for them to actually do a job. You actually, you're just hiring that person just to get somebody. That's just. I don't understand why somebody can't see the wrong in that.
- [39:58]
Matt Jones
Well, I don't, but I appreciate the call. And it sounds like you were a big. I mean, if you don't like college basketball, why do you care anyway?
- [40:06]
Billy Reed
I mean, if they do. Hiring Jamal Crawford, Stokes is not the only recruit he's going to help recruit to Kentucky. He's going to bring in several recruits to Kentucky.
- [40:14]
Matt Jones
I'm going to say to you, I'm fine, Shannon, if you get Jamal Crawford, even if it doesn't get you Tyron Stokes, you're getting an NBA player that clearly is bright. He's on television doing games, so he clearly understands the game or he couldn't do that. I see no pro. I mean, if we don't hire him, we're probably going to have to hire someone no one's ever heard of. So what difference?
- [40:36]
Ryan Lemond
And he's still going to do a job for you. It's like he's going to have a golden parachute and eat hay. He's going to do a job for you.
- [40:42]
Matt Jones
Mitch Barnhart now gets to eat hay.
- [40:43]
Billy Reed
That's right.
- [40:44]
Matt Jones
So good. Good luck to him.
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Ryan Lemond
Ketchup.
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Billy Reed
I'm having trouble breathing once in a while.
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Ryan Lemond
Yeah, it's getting tighter by the minute.
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Billy Reed
Breathing's becoming an issue. But I know I look good. She told me I look good.
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Ryan Lemond
Well, skin tight jersey.
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Matt Jones
It looks amazing. We'll be right back. It's ksr. We're lost and kickoff's coming up. I don't want to miss the lineup. I'm gonna ask that man for directions.
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Matt Jones
We're trying to get to the stadium.
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- [44:23]
Matt Jones
Welcome back. It is Kentucky Sports Radio here live in Manchester, Kentucky at the Freedom House. Pregnant and parenting moms receive family and individual therapy as they participate in a wide range of parenting and skills training classes while also helping with any treatment for addiction. That's here. And it is a great place here in Manchester, Kentucky. Buck Stivers. Buck Divers. Hush. We're trying to do a Show over here. 859-280-2287 I have a story. So here's my question. Let's play the game of should this be illegal or not?
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Caller
All right.
- [45:00]
Billy Reed
Courts in session.
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Matt Jones
Courts in session. Should this be illegal or not? One of the US Seals that went into Venezuela, when they went and got the Venezuelan president Maduro, he was one of the people that captured him on the mission. Right before he went on the mission, he is alleged to have Gone on one of these poly marketplaces and there was a thing of will Maduro be captured and overthrown. He bet on the answer as yes right before he got on the helicopter to go take him out. So he bet knowing that he was about to go and do it. He has now been arrested. I tried to read what his charges were and I couldn't find it in the story. But basically he's being arrested. So here's my question. Should people in the military be able to bet on whether or not a military action is going to happen if they are part of the group actually doing the action?
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Billy Reed
I think this is so illegal. I don't know what he's gonna be charged. You got to charge that dude with something to give up a potential military exercise, to potentially give it secrets away. That puts ourselves safety in jeopardy. Illegal.
- [46:15]
Ryan Lemond
I've been told all my life, bet on yourself. I feel like that's what this guy did.
- [46:20]
Matt Jones
I mean he was, to be fair, he was betting that they would be successful. He didn't, didn't bet against it being successful. Yeah, he did bet on it being successful.
- [46:29]
Ryan Lemond
But I mean I guess I look at it as like an NBA player betting on themselves on draftkings. I don't think you should be allowed to do that. So I guess my answer is going to be no, I don't think you should be allowed to do that.
- [46:39]
Guest Analyst
Yeah, just like you said Shannon, like a player betting on draftkings. I don't think that's ethical for the military member to be sharing secrets about a military operation.
- [46:47]
Matt Jones
If I was the, if I was the military, I'd be really upset about it. Because think about if you're other countries and you see these betting markets and you go wait a minute, why all of a sudden has there been a five hundred thousand dollar bet on us being overthrown? Oh wait, maybe they're coming. Like I do think it's a good way. I mean if, if people are putting that kind of dollars on it and you, and I don't know if you remember when they did this, the market moved like in the 12 hours before they went and do it. Did it? The market moved like way up like it was going to happen. You're almost putting them on notice. So actually if I was the military I'd be extremely worried about, about that kind of thing.
- [47:31]
Ryan Lemond
You're tipping them off. You're also putting your own soldiers in, in danger, like their lives on the line.
- [47:37]
Matt Jones
What if something had gone wrong during that?
- [47:39]
Billy Reed
Right.
- [47:40]
Matt Jones
Like what if something had gone wrong? I Mean, this dude, they would be a completely different story if it was that. So you all. All think should be elite, dude?
- [47:47]
Billy Reed
I think so. I mean, anything that jeopardizes a military operation like that, I mean, it's. Is it treason? Looks what's being charged.
- [47:54]
Matt Jones
It's treason. I would say it should be illegal. Also note. But go ahead and throw in when congress people do the same thing with their. Because there's a lot of them on both sides that do that all the time. Who's up next? Jared is up next. Jared. Go ahead, Jared.
- [48:11]
Caller
Hey, Matt. Thanks for taking my call. So I want to start by saying we all want Mark Pope to do well. We all want him to succeed and to bring number 9 and 10 and 11 and however many more. But whether you want him gone or whether you want him to stay for the next five, 10 years, at the end of the day, as it stands now, he is firing himself. And what I mean by that is he is doing things that he cannot explain later. If he does not win, he's not using the current nil valuation system that Kentucky paid for. He's not hiring a gm, he has terrible pr, Whether it's being horrible on interviews and just having a weird personality or giving fans the silent treatment. And most of all, he's not winning. So at the end of the day, at the end of this season, if we lose 12 games, he's not going to be able to explain.
- [49:04]
Matt Jones
Yeah. So I think. I don't totally disagree with what you're saying, and I appreciate the call. I mean, this is the way I put it with Kyle Tucker the other day. If Mark Pope goes to the Elite Eight or the Final Four, Ryan, it won't matter what he did. He'll be fine. Right? He can. He can walk around and not speak to anyone. And if we go to the Final Four, nobody's gonna care. Do you agree with that?
- [49:25]
Billy Reed
Winning cures everything.
- [49:26]
Matt Jones
Cures everything. If we miss the tournament or lose in the first round, it's not gonna matter how nice he is. People are gonna be ready to get to make a change. The question is, what happens when you're in the middle, right? What happens when you lose in the second round or the Sweet 16? Then all of a sudden all this other stuff I actually think matters more to people. And I think he's just giving himself to where he doesn't have a lot of leeway. They're going to have to win next year, and right now they don't have a lot of players yet.
- [49:57]
Billy Reed
So he said it's kind of a make or break season for him and he's got to go all in on Stokes, get some players because this could be his entire career. Could depend on what they do next season.
- [50:06]
Matt Jones
And but we could have a situation where when we come back on this show Monday, if he's, if Stokes is committed here, everybody's going to be good. Will be the first time in 12 years we've had the number one player in America come here. So we'll see. It's kind of feast or famine. We will take a break and be right back. Our number two here in Manchester. This is Kentucky Sports Radio.
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