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It is a local Toy Dealers Kentucky KSR post game show the Cats lose in Tuscaloosa by double digits once again 89 to 74. Fourth time Mark Pope has played Nate Oats since he's been in Lexington and all four games have been double digit losses where Kentucky has rarely had a chance to compete. 859-280-2287 I want to go over a little bit about the game and then talk about what we just heard right before I came on. Let's start with the game. You know, the Cats in the first half were just bad and it's been this way essentially every first half against Alabama. And honestly it's been this way in the first half in Virginia. Virtually all of the good games we've had this year, right? I mean we've been down in the first half double digits in now six of our seven games against Power Conference teams. I mean, I want you to think about that for a second. We've played, we've played seven power conference teams. Now let me acknowledge those are seven good power conference teams all in the top 25 or Indiana is just outside of the top 25. But if you're going to the tournament and you want to play in the NCAA tournament, these are the teams you, you have to play. And we've been down double digits in the first half in six of those seven games. And you know, it sort of doesn't matter what happens after that. We ended up, I think winning the second half by one point. But it doesn't really matter because you have played yourself out of these games. In one of those six games we came back and won against St. John's but, but otherwise these have been, you're just down so much that like your entire game is trying to come back. And this is a team that because they did not recruit shooting, which was our worry from the beginning of the season because they did not recruit shooting. They're not built to come back. I mean they're just not like this is not a team that can come back and you put yourself in these double digit holes and it's like I thought to myself at halftime, I mean I'm going to watch the second half but kind of what's the point? Like we're not going to win. And I, it's, it's just very disappointing. I didn't expect Kentucky to win this game today. Alabama is better and Alabama is at home. I think I said on the pregame show you could have a team that was good enough to win the national championship that would lose at Alabama. I mean that's at Alabama. It's probably our toughest game on the SEC schedule. And you can make a strong argument that Kentucky, who sits 9 and 5, has played six top 20 esque teams so far. So I'm not, you know, I'm not sort of a doom and gloomer about the season as a whole, but I am a doom and gloom about how we're playing because this team is just not playing well. They had their full roster today, but I don't know, I'm not sure how much really good we are. I mean it's a given that Jalen Lowe JLo's good and if we didn't have Jalen Lowe, we would not make the tournament. He's good. I thought he played well. When you consider his injury status, I thought he played well. I don't understand why he doesn't start. I don't understand why it's like Mark Pope wants to start these games with one hand tied behind his back. I'm generally a believer that who start doesn't matter. Over the years you've heard me say, well, it doesn't really matter who starts, it's who finishes. Yeah, that's generally true except when the rest of your guys aren't nearly as good as the starter. And I can only think of two times this has really happened. Well, really three. Quadi Green, Shay, Gilgis, Alexander was better. And then eventually Cal flipped and made Shea the starter and I think that mattered. He didn't do it with Reed and Rob and we of course know that. But I don't understand like this idea that we're going to help Jalen Lowe come along by having him not start. I mean Billy, in the second half he play, he didn't start him and then brought him in one minute into the game, what does that accomplish?
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It's infuriating.
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I don't know.
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What does that, what is the mindset of we can't start him, but we'll bring him in with one one minute later? I don't get that. So he should be starting. I think he, I actually think he's our best player. Ortega away was good most of the game. I thought in a key sequence he actually gave some really poor effort, which annoyed me a little bit. He had two turnovers on back to back plays and then he got fell down on defense. I think we had cut it to nine and at the end of that sequence we were down 14. I'm not, I mean, I didn't like that sequence from him in general though, without him, especially in the first half, we're not even in the game. So I mean low in a way, I'm good with the rest of guys. I don't know, man. Like they just, I, maybe they're just not good. So. But I can't get over. It's a different player for Colin Chandler in these games against good teams. He looks like a completely different guy. Denzel Aberdeen has just been, he's just been bad. He's just been disappointing and I think he was disappointing tonight. Diabate, I thought played hard, but you know, he can't. You can't rely on Diabate to be an offensive like facilitator. But the problem for me and then Cam Williams again about lineups, where is he? How do you go 12 minutes in the second half and don't put him in, you know, with, with eight minutes to go in the game, he had played six minutes. How. I mean, he made eight threes the other night. Did what happened in the last two and a half weeks, that or two weeks that we just decided he couldn't be in against the team that has made 14 threes in the game. So I, I don't understand Pope's lineups. I don't understand why we continue to play starters that are not our best players. But be that as it may, the biggest issue is it was defensively and for 30 minutes. Now they did adjust this in the last 10 minutes, I thought, but for 30 minutes I thought they were playing a team that like, it looked like they were playing a team where they, they didn't think they could shoot. I mean, they were not extending out on the three. They were clearly playing to try to stop penetration, I guess to prevent Phylon from getting to the, to the basket. But he only had two points at halftime. And so you just gave up a ton of threes. Pope in the post game said something like, well, now they shot the ball really well. Well, I don't, I don't think that was unpredictable. They're a good shooting team. Maybe not as good as a couple years in the past, but they're still really good at it. And after they made the first nine, maybe you adjust. They did adjust in the last eight or nine minutes. And then I thought Kentucky was more competitive now down the stretch, that one guy hit the one from like 27ft. And then there were a couple times where we, we did really poor pick and roll defense where I think they were supposed to come out on it and we just didn't. But I don't understand, for 30 minutes we were clearly coaching them to go under ball screens and to, to, to play the switch with the, the driver or excuse me, with the guy rolling the basket. And I, I, that's what you would do against Michigan State. That's not what you would do against Alabama. At least I wouldn't think so. So, you know, offensively we weren't great, but we also don't make threes. You know, we've assembled a team that can't really shoot. And I don't know how that happened. I don't know why Mark, after having all that success, at least offensively last year with that group, thought the, thought the way to go was to build a team of guys who can't shoot. It's odd to me that we did that and the guys we have that can shoot just seem terrified in these games. College handler seems to me to be terrified when we play these good teams. So that all is a problem. And I still think this team is okay, but I'm becoming less and less confident that if we play anybody good, we can win. I mean, St. John's lost at home to Providence today, so maybe they're not good. Indiana's okay, but I mean when we've played good teams, we're not even competitive. We were not competitive against Michigan State. We were not competitive against Gonzaga. We were not competitive today. We were semi competitive against Louisville, but again got down 20 in the first half. And then North Carolina is a team we should have beaten and we lost. So I'm, I'm disappointed. I really am. And I'm, I'm more disappointed because the things that I thought Mark Pope coach teams would be, it would be a given. They would play smart, they would play hard, and they would be well prepared. I thought that was a given. You Know, I. And I think last year, for instance, they were. This team does not play smart, does not always play hard, and doesn't always seem prepared. And I thought that was a given talent. I was worried, is he going to be able to recruit these top players? We still haven't. We'll see. But being smart, playing hard and being prepared, to me, with a Mark Pope, that is a given, and it's just not with this group. And I'm really surprised by it. I really am. I did not see it coming. The other thing I didn't see coming is, and I just. I think we have to talk about it, is the way Mark is after these games, the losses. I said on the morning show earlier this year, and when Mark came from byu, Jacob Polachek and some other people, they did. They basically did a deep dive kind of on what was mark like @ BYU? Like, how does he play and what was he like? And people have great things to say about Mark as a person, because he is a great. Seems like a great person, very smart. One of the smartest people. Almost everybody will say one of the smartest people they've. They've ever been around. But a consistent theme that people said to. To I think Jacob and then a couple people I talked to is when he loses, he's not. He takes it hard and he's not good to be around. And on paper, that's like, not a bad trade. Right. We kind of want a coach that cares. I mean, we had those times where people said things like, I want to get home to my dog. And we didn't like that. But there's a difference between, like, caring about losing and then kind of what we've seen from Mark this year. I mean, you heard Rick Patino, who knows him better than any of us do, say he called Mark after they lost to Michigan State and said, what the hell's wrong with you? And I'm glad he said it. He knows him. I really don't. But I thought the same thing. And then I thought the same thing after the Louisville game when he did the whole, like, something happened in the locker room. But I'm not going to tell you. It's going to be like a Taylor Swift song. That was strange. He was really weird and awful after the Gonzaga game on the radio, but we lost by 35. But today I'm going to play this little segment of his interview that just completed with Tom Leach. Now, let me be fair to Mark. There were two segments before this. He. I'm not gonna say he was Forthcoming, but he was okay in those segments. But Mark's job, or excuse me, Tom's job is Tom Leach is the nicest person on earth and Tom Leach's job is to just ask questions. And this is a UK show, this is a JMI show. This is not like the New York Times interviewing you. I just want you to listen to his final segment here with Tom. Go ahead. What did you tell them in the locker room after this? We talked about a lot of things. When you come back on Wednesday, what are the things that you need to see different? That's a long list. There's a lot of things. Lastly, when you look at a team that had made some significant progress, Jalen getting back gave you great minutes today. JQ is back. So what is the thing you try to build on from this point forward? Well, there's not a lot from this game. I mean there was no good. But we have made. What do you have to do best? Maybe what does this team need to do best? Like I said, I was disappointed with our physicality in this game. It's not who we can be, it's not who we should be. And we have to that our game's got to start there. Thank you, coach Mark. I mean, I just find that rude. Like Tom talks more than Mark and I don't, I don't get it. You have a fan base that after these games has like they're looking to you for answers. And when I think about the last three coaches and I think about the moments that we think about that sort of defined the negative parts of their era. I think about post game interviews where Billy Gillespie was like, this is not the University of Jody Meeks. Remember that Billy. And that was after a win. And then he would be really rude to talk back then. Then at the end, you know, I mentioned the I got to fly home to my dogs. And Cal would often just skip post game interviews after his losses. I don't understand this. Mark is a great communicator and a nice guy. What fans want to hear you say something. And when you're asked what did you say in the locker room? A lot of things. And what needs to get better. That's a long list. I don't know, I just, I don't get that. So when you combine a team that is not well prepared, seemingly at least at the beginning of games, does not play smart and doesn't always play hard and then you get sort of these reactions. I'm just, I'm really surprised because I thought we would might have when Park Pope was hired, I thought I have issues in acquiring talent and I thought we might have issues at like being a brand that Kentucky fans like of athleticism, etc. But I never thought the basics, I thought the basics were a given and the basics aren't a given and I didn't see that coming. 859-280-2287 we'll take your call, see what you think and be right back. Cats lose to Alabama. This is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. A couple people asking on here on the text machine. 772-774-525-5254 was pope like this after losses last year? Billy? I don't really remember him being like that, do you? I don't. You know, because we took some bad losses last year.
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Yeah. Never to a level like we've seen this year.
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No. Yeah, I don't, I don't remember him. But then again I think last year he probably thought the team over performed a little bit. He didn't go into the season saying we have a Ferrari and all that stuff. So maybe that's what it. But no, I don't remember him being like that last year. Let me read you a quote from Nate.
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Oates.
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Okay. So this is, this is very interesting and Nate Oates, you know, I don't know, I wouldn't say he's a jerk, but I think he's very plain spoken in terms of like not plain spoken, that's not the word. But straight, straight talking. He says quote I had our guys pull every assist they had coming in because when I watched them play I didn't really feel like they moved the ball. Great. Correct. He then added, Kentucky's big men don't pass. They've had seven assists out of the post in all in 13 games. Coming in when the bigs get the ball, they're not trying to pass. Now that's how you do analytics and fieldwork. No, I'm serious like you if you're in the analytics and field work and I am Nate Oates, knowing that in 13 games our bigs had assist 7 times when the ball went into the post. Well, there you go. He knows when we throw it in the post he can throw everybody he wants at the, at the, at the man in the post because we're not going to kick it out. We maybe should thank Nate because now that he says that publicly maybe they change it because that, that's a pretty damning statistic. I had no idea. I'm going to. And I'm going to assume he's right. I haven't checked it myself but assuming that's true. There you go. That's the opposing coach telling you what your weakness is. So there you go. Who's up.
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First?
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Greg. Greg. Go ahead.
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Greg. Hey guys. How y' all doing today? Me and the wife are season ticket holders for many years. We went to Atlanta. We stand, we cheer, we. No matter who's the coach, we're always clapping and for the big blue nation and you know it's very disappointing. I don't think it was a home run hire for the Cats for the coach and it's very disappointing when you can't get guys like Oaks Yukon coach. A lot of big people didn't want to even consider us and I think it's. That's to do with the fan base expecting a lot more things than what than we.
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Should. Come on now. Come on. I was with you. Hang on just a second. Greg. Hold.
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On. The bottom line is we don't.
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Have cars on this second. Billy. Hang on. I'll make you hold on first. I'm with you on everything until you say that the reason we didn't get a coach is because of the fan base. This fan base has been the same since I was a child and probably the same 30 years before that. Yes, they expect winning, but that's what makes Kentucky Kentucky. Danny Hurley and Scott Drew did not come. Not come here because of the fan base. Nate Oates, I don't know if he wanted to come here or not, but the university was not going to hire.
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Him.
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He. He may not have wanted to come as well, but Greg, it is not fair to say it is the fan base's fault. I had nothing to do with Kentucky being prepared. Neither did you, Greg. Neither did anyone listening. Kentucky not being prepared is not about the fan base. And the moment the fan base doesn't expect success, then you're not Kentucky. You're Minnesota basketball now. I'll let you respond. Go.
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Ahead. I just want to say we run off the hall of Fame coach for this. It looks to me like we're going to be the next iu. We're going to be the next.
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Iu. Appreciate the call, Greg. How many NCAA tournament games did Cal Perry win in the last five years? He won one game. He won one game in five years. Now how many times did we make it to Saturday of the SEC tournament during his last five years? 0. 0 times. So I'm not Gonna relitigate the Cal perior. But it was time for a change. But Mark Pope needs to be judged on Mark Pope. And so far this season, it hasn't been successful this year. What's next, Micah? Micah. Go ahead.
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Mike. Hey, what's up, guys? Matt, I would just want to say you hit the nail on the head about the starting lineup irritation. I just felt like that's what. Exactly what we went with or had with Calipari in his last few years and not starting the right guys. And Mark Pope's doing the same thing. I don't know if there's a hex or what, but why can we not get that.
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Straight? I don't know. I really don't know. I mean, I don't like. Okay, maybe there's an argument for Moreno over quaintance. Like, I can understand that argument. Maybe acquaintance gives six man energy and all that, but what is the argument for not starting? Jalen Lowe I really don't like. I'd love to hear his articulation of it. Has somebody asked him? Billy, like what? Why is he now not.
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Starting? Well, he said that they hit a wall about three to four minutes into the game. So maybe he's looking for that energy spark.
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Plug. Who hits a.
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Wall? Kent? He said, we're actually fine for the first couple minutes of the game, and then we hit a wall. I don't know. That's exactly what he said in the post.
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Game. Well, and the only other thing was just that there's no offensive flow.
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Either. No, there's not. No, there's not. Yeah. I appreciate the call. Yeah, I. Okay, then bring Jalen Lowe in with two minutes into the game. Maybe that's why you bring him in two minutes in. I don't know. But I mean, at the beginning of the game, we. What, we got a layup or. No, I think Aberdeen got fouled. Aberdeen got fouled. And then somebody hit a three.
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Chandler. Chandler is only.
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Best. Okay, so we were up five nothing. So we scored on our first two possessions, but then I don't think we scored again for another four or five minutes.
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Right? That's correct. It was nine to.
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Five. So I don't think we hit a. I don't think we hit a wall. We made two free throws and Colin Chandler made a three. I mean, that was. It's not like there was. It's not like there was an elite game. I mean, we. We made two free throws and we had a 30. And that first offensive possession, I think where Aberdeen got fouled was a really ugly possession. The ball just fell into Aberdeen's hands and then he took the basket, got fouled. The Chandler 3 was a good. I think somebody drove away. Drove and kicked. But I. I don't understand. Not starting low, but be that as a man, what's.
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Next?
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Sean? Sean. Go ahead.
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Sean. Hey, man, thanks for taking my call. I appreciate it. What happened to the days where you took. Just played the best players. Played the best players, the most athletic players, the ones that can shoot and play them. Why wait on people to. To make changes and just play the best players? That's. I'm confused by.
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This. I'm with you. I mean, let's just look in the second half. For the most part, that's what we did and we basically played them to a draw in the second half. So you. The question. Why don't we do it in the first half? You.
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Know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your call. I appreciate.
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It. Thank you. I mean, you know, I don't know. I don't know. 859-280-2287 I'm also not sure, Billy, who our fourth, our fifth best player is. So I think what I mean by that is I think there's no doubt that our lineup needs to have low away diabate. Then either Aberdeen or Chandler at the 3, although they both have deficiencies, but you probably need one of them. But then is it Cam Williams is acquaintance. Is it quaint and Cam Williams, you know, are you just never going to see Noah again? Are we going to. I mean, what about Jasper Johnson, right? Like, yeah, Rain, like. I don't know. I don't think. I don't know who those. The only three people I know need to be on the floor are low away and dbate. And then probably quaintance, although he just needs more reps. Yeah, it probably.
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Needs to be quaintance, but I don't know if you can leave Chandler on the floor.
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Anymore. Not if he can't shoot because he get. He kills.
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You. Defensive or.
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Defense? Which is weird because last year he played pretty good defense at the end of the year, but he's. He. He was bad defensively today. I thought O way. I think O way was on and Aberdeen kind of were on file on. I actually thought they did a pretty good job, but the rest of it was not good. What's.
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Next?
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Donnie? Donnie. Go ahead.
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Donnie. Oh, gosh. I don't. I don't know where to start overall. You can from watching this in my living room. Defense, Defense, Defense. And I want to Go down some another road here. The coach and staff has got to find a better way to get this team ready. No hustle, no fight. They don't play hard. All right, let's throw that out. Here's what bothers me also. Selfish, selfish play, no assist. Okay, getting back to my defense, here's what I don't get. Kentucky's good on defense. On the ball. We are like grade school school kids in pick and.
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Row.
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Yes. I would like someone to explain to me what explain to me why we didn't switch. I would switch every daggone play because their offense is set up for pick and row. Now let's take that a little bit farther. The row isn't there because they're going to shoot the three. And the shots that Alabama missed, Matt, in the second half, they were still wide.
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Open. They were. You're right. You're right about that. A lot of their misses in the second half were open. I think you. I actually think that's a really good analysis. You are right. We are pretty good on the ball. Pretty good. Not great, but we're pretty good on the ball. And then I actually think we play pretty good post defense. But we are so awful at all screens. I mean, you know, now they. It used to be everything was a pick and roll. Now there's slip screen and fade screen and all these various screen. But I don't care which one people run, we're bad at all of them. And I think you make a good point, especially against a team like Alabama who doesn't really exploit mismatches down low very well. I don't know why you wouldn't switch on Olive. I really don't. I think we have a pretty versatile group of defenders. We don't have any real slow guys like. Like Andrew Carr last year. So I'm with you. I don't know why you wouldn't do that. But you're right. You hit it. Our. Our problem. I appreciate. Go.
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Ahead. Yes. One other comment. Get over it. Get over was time for Cal to move on. Fans, all the cow fans and I love him, don't get me wrong. But it was time for him to go. Get over.
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It. Yeah, there is a lot of truth to that too. Even if you disagreed with the situation, like appreciate the call. It's like when you have a divorce. I use the divorce analogy a lot. Billy. They ain't coming.
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Home.
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Right. Unless you're Bobby Petrino, you don't go back to where you were. He did. Twice. Twice. But. But no. Unless you're dating Bobby. Like it ain't gonna happen. So who's.
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Next? Hunter is.
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Next. Hunter. 859-280-2287. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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Hunter. Hey. I'll let other people talk about why we went under or went under all the screens and helped off shooters and all this, but I got a little bit of comic relief for BBN because I think we need it. Did anybody else see in the second half the weirdest thing that I think I've ever seen a coach do?
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You. What was.
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That? Coach Pope took a stick of gum out, chewed it real hard for about three and a half, four seconds, and then spit it back out. That's the weirdest thing I've ever.
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Seen. When did that.
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Happen? I don't know. About 8, 10 minutes to go in the game. It was.
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Weird. I didn't see that. I will say, and I appreciate the call the bet. The first three or four seconds of gum are the best. Yeah, right? Yeah. You get the sugar out of it. And if you have a cheap piece of gum, it's only gonna last about three or four seconds. But I didn't see that. Do you think that's weird, Billy, to take three or four seconds of.
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Gum and then stop a little crazy behavior? But maybe you just gotta get some anger.
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Out. I need to see that clip. I need to see how long, because maybe that's weird. I know. When. What are the little gums that are in the little squares that you pop up? It's like they look like little mints. What are they called? What are.
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Those? Oh, I'm not.
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Sure. They have real. They're real powerful. Yeah. You know, like, you get them, they look like a thing of Tylenol. Right. You know, they come in one of those and then you pop.
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It.
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Icebreaker. I think you're.
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Right. That.
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It? Those are really good for like seven seconds, but then they don't hold.
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Up. So you just need the breath for the incoming kiss. You're going in on.
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Stub. Okay, Billy. All right, Billy. Stub. Go ahead.
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Stub. Oh, I want to know, how in the world do you hit a wall two minutes into a game, A college basketball game. I. I had to listen to the game on radio until Billy probably heard this. But at one point, Jack Gibbons said, I think it was in the second half. He goes, I wish I could sit here and tell you that these are hard, tough shots that Alabama's making. He said, but they're not. And then Tom Leach, at one point, they came down and hit a three. They Went under the screen of course. And he goes I, I don't. You know that's what they're going to do. Why do you. And then he was talking about the shoot around and the practices and leading up to that and that all that stuff was harped on. So I don't know. To me that's just inattention to detail. I think Mark Pope acts the way he acts because I think he A knows that he probably whiffed in this class and and B knows are underachieving and doesn't see any slooping in.
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It. You know, you may be right that that's the. I think everything you just said is correct. I appreciate the call and I like that Jack, especially considering Jackson the official broadcast. He, he will say critiques which I think is good. I, I think you're probably right about that. As to why Mark is like he is. He probably knows that this wasn't built as well as he thought and he also probably knows that it's going to be hard to fix. I still think you judge people by like their actions in times of adversity and I still think he's been odd in these post game things. And even if it is the case that this team is poorly constructed, which it probably is, is underachieving, they can still play hard and they can still be well prepared. And the fact that these starts are so bad, I don't know how you can say anything except they're not well prepared. How can you say anything else? Honestly, I don't know. And then if you don't like how we start, why don't we play Jalen Lowe at the beginning of the games? Why are we not playing Kim Will? I mean again I've said all that. Let's do one more and we'll take a break. Who's.
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Next? Jake is up.
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Next. Jake, go ahead.
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Jake. Hey Matt, good to have you back from holiday break. Hope all.
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Is. Thank you. Appreciate.
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It. Yep. Just one, one observation and then a quick question. I'll hang up. So I think one of Pope's biggest faults so far is he. He tends to not trust his own eyes. And, and a couple examples. What I mean is last year, you know, we had a big debate about Amari Williams and how many minutes he was playing. You know, he's playing 20 to 25 a game. Most of BB Anti should be playing 30 and he cited like fatigue as a reason, like his play would decrease even though we all knew that's kind of, you know, not really what their eyes are telling us and then this year, you know, if you remember earlier in the season when Brandon Garrison was playing a lot and he cited in a post game presser, I believe that he's actually our second most efficient offensive player. Even though we all were watching, was it going well? So. So I think, I think just the over analytics, I think sometimes is hurting Mark and I think it's what's preventing him from, from being optimal in terms of lineup substitutions, that stuff. And then the quick question is, with not playing and starting JQ in low, do you think this could have a negative adverse impact on recruiting in the future for star players wanting to come to us because they know that we're not always going to play the best players all the.
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Time? You know, I think it's a question. It's a qu. I think it's a fair question. I think probably a bigger issue for that is the fact that we're not playing Jasper Johnson at.
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All.
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Right. I. I don't think star recruits necessarily would look at Jalen Lowe because he wasn't a star recruit and kind of say one way or the other, now Jaden Quaint's a little different. I'm gonna, I'm gonna guess, and I could be wrong. I'm gonna guess Jaden Quaint's. I'm gonna guess both these guys are starting in a couple weeks, but Jaden Quaint I think almost certainly is because like, he's really good. I, I think the case for not starting Jaden Quaint is better than the one for low, which is this guy hadn't played basketball in over a year. Right. So I, I'm okay with it. I do think not playing Jasper Johnson, who is a McDonald's All American, that could have a negative effect on recruiting. With that said, when Jasper Johnson has played, I haven't really felt like he needed more minutes. Right. So, you know, I don't know and I appreciate the call. I. But I do think if you're talk. I. I have heard some folks that cover recruiting for Kentucky say that Jasper Johnson not getting minutes is an issue with some of these guys because Jasper Johnson's kind of well known in the recruiting world. Like, he just has that personality. Like he was real well known on social media and him not playing that might actually be a little bit of an issue. Let me say this, and nothing with the first caller because he was very passionate and all that. I disagree with him on the. It's Kentucky fans fault. I hate when we don't play well and it's all of a Sudden, the people who listen to this show's fault, as if we did anything. But besides that caller, I actually thought the calls in that segment were really, really good. Really good analysis. We'll take a break. Be right back. This is the local Toyota dealers KSR postgame show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. Good text in the text machine. This is actually, I think, a relatively stable postgame bad loss situation. 772-774-5254 on the text machine, one person writes. Matt, all right, just me and you talking. Are you at all worried that this job just doesn't work for Pope? Not yet. I mean, the caller said a minute ago, I think it might be clear it's not a home run hire. Yeah, I think that's probably fair, but that doesn't mean it can't work and be really successful. Okay, it was a home run hire off the court, but that's only part of the job. And the other part of the job is you got to win. Now, I think it's very important to remember he went to Sweet 16 last year, and even though the regular season record wasn't great, we still had some really great wins. And I think that was a successful year this year as far this year's not. We haven't even played half our games yet. So I'm not giving up by any means. I'm disappointed in the way the roster construction ended up and in these performances, but I. I'm not. I'm not there yet. What is. I. I am still worried about the recruiting of top talent, but that'll play itself out over the next couple months. I am. I'm baffled by this team right now. But there's still. I mean, there is still time. There's a lot of time for this to get better. I think the ceiling, which I thought could be a title at the beginning of the year, I don't think that ceiling is there now. But I do think this can still be a good team. But I'm baffled by what's been happening. So I want to see this season play out. And I. There's going to be no scenario that I can imagine where I'm like, oh, he needs to go. I can't. For me, like, I'm not. I'm not even in the ballpark of that, but I am in the ballpark of, okay, there's some troubling signs here, and some of the things I was worried about and some of the things people told me to maybe be worried about have manifested Themselves here in the last couple months. Who's up.
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Next?
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Mike. Mike. What's up.
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Mike? Hey guys. How you doing.
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Today?
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Good. So this is my thing. Is that so? You know, I'm, I'm that guy. Mark Polt. I was really excited when he came in. You know, I felt like that we had an opportunity to really go back to the Ric Casino era with defense, defense minded, coaching, team press, you know, the whole bringing the energy every single game. And this to me, honestly, this season boils down to efforts. It boils down to who wants it more. And I don't see a lot of that on the court. I don't see a lot of it. And they're just their body language and they're wanting and it's very shocking to me because I go back and I'm that dude that watches on YouTube, you know, the 1990s teams and you know, and then on up, you know, I'm just that guy. But yeah, I just don't understand, you know, hope is. It just. It drives me nuts. I mean, and this is my question to you. Do you feel like because of the situation with the Nil and the co and the team and the players getting paid the money they're getting paid that coaches maybe are losing some of that. What's the word? Some of that authority that they should have in the locker.
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Room? Maybe, but. Maybe. But that means you just have to be a different kind of coach. So, you know, let's put it like this. You could be Bobby Knight in the 70s and it worked, right? You could scream and yell and cuss and demean players and it worked. I think you would agree by the 90s, that style didn't work anymore, right? Had to be a new style. And that new style tended to be embodied by Mike Krzyzewski, Rick Patino, John Calipari. This sort of. You could be above the program, a larger than life figure. You were respected, you could get along with the players, but you were still in charge. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so that worked in the 90s, okay. Now we're in an era where maybe that doesn't work anymore anymore, right? And now you're in an era where you have to do something maybe a more akin to the way NBA coaches coach, which is a guy like Steve Kerr, who he may bicker with his. But like his players respect him, but he's also not screaming and yelling at him all the time like Greg Popovich, right? Maybe that's the kind of college coach you have to have now. Maybe the way Nate Oates does, it works. Now, of course, Danny Hurley loses his mind and wins two titles. So I don't know. But I'm just saying you might be right that the kind of coach that you need has changed. But like, okay, now you have to adapt. And on paper, Mark Pope should be able to adapt to that because he's not a yeller and a screamer like you would think he would be good for this.
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Era. He's.
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Gone. You would think. You know, I mean, I don't know. I look at some like, like just think about who made the final four last year, right? It was Kelvin Sampson, an older school, old school coach, but kind of known as a players coach. Todd golden, young, smart guy. John Shire, young, smart guy. And was. It was. Did Bama make it last year? I think they did. And then Nate Oates. Right. Auburn or was it Auburn? Okay. Bruce Pearl, known as a players coach. Although he yells. So maybe you just have to be like that. But in theory, Mark Pope should be like that. And it just hasn't. Hadn't totally worked. Who's.
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Next? Matt. Let's give out our Johnny Rocker, personal injury attorney, moneymaker of the game.
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Injury. I like how you just bring that in out of nowhere. Like you don't even tell me it's coming. You.
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Just. I like to keep Johnny Rocker.
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Time. All right. All right. Go.
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Ahead. Injured get small town compassion with big city results when you call the rocker at 270-321. I think we only have two guys that we can choose from today and we're going with Jalen Lowe, 21 points, 8 of 16 shooting, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 turnovers, 1 block and 2 steals in 27 minutes. He actually had the second worst plus minus on the team at minus.
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18. That was weird to me. I noticed that. I wonder why that is. I guess because he was on the floor to some during that run they had in the first.
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Half. Yeah, that stat can be deceiving at times, but he's our money maker of the.
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Game. Hey, can. No, he was the best player. Oh, he was the best player for. For. Without question. Who's next? Michael. Michael. Go ahead.
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Michael. Hey, Matt. First time, long.
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Time. Hua. What's.
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Up? I think a lot of people are going to have their opinions about Pope and this year's team, but I. I just wanted to be objective and bring a couple of stats to the table. So we have played in 34 games against power conference teams, plus Gonzaga since Mark Pope has become the. Has become the coach. What percentage of Those. Do you think we've been down by double digits at some.
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Point? That's a great question. A lot. What's the.
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Answer? 53%. 18 of 34 games. So over.
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Half. That's bad. That's really bad. To be down double digits in over half the games. And we have about a 500 record, right, against those.
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Teams. Roughly.
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Yeah. It's like, I think something like that. No, that's, that's, that's a. That's.
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Bad. Well, it gets worse. So the other one is what percentage of those have we been down by at least 20 points during the.
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Game? Oh, wow. Seven or.
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Eight. Eight of 34. Nearly a quarter of the power Conference game. So to me, both of those are really concerning, not only for this year, but I think just in general kind of going forward. And that's all I.
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Got. It's a great, great point. Being down. I appreciate the call. Being down 20 points in 1/4 of your game against power conference teams is really bad. Like, that's.
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Really. That's crazy. It's a crazy.
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Stat. I mean, you know, I think back, it feels like Kentucky hasn't been down 20 to teams very much ever. To be down eight times in two years, that's. That's bad. And I don't know if I'd thought about it in those terms before, but that's really bad. Who's.
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Next? Dave is.
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Next. Dave. Go ahead.
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Dave. Hey, a lot of great points made. I'll be quick here. One thing, you know, with coach Pope's resume was when he came a big talking point was how elite his offense was and complex and all that. Last year it really was, you know, we pretty much were had everything through Martin Williams this year. Listen, there's no movement. You take today, for example. I mean, it was either Jaylen Lowe or OWE puts their head down credit and getting to the rim. Everybody else is standing around. It's been that way all year. I think that's a big part of the offensive problem. I think that's one reason why we're. Our three point percentage is so low because the shots are contested. There's no inside out play. But yeah, that 20 point definite recorder though, that's bad. Thanks.
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Guys. It's a great point. Great. I mean, everybody's making. That is a great point. You, we initiate no offense outside of Jalen Lowe, you know, outside of Jay on low and then away lowering his head and going the back. We really don't initiate any offense. And you know, someone said it might have been Jay Billis. It might have been Jack Givens. I can't remember. Those were the two voices I heard. Somebody said something like looking at their assist numbers and we had like nine or something, and they said, what was it? You're shooting poorly from three. Well, I'm not gonna be able to articulate it, but the premise was because we have no assist is partially why we're not shooting the ball well, because we end up taking contested shots. Somebody said that more articulately than I just did, but it was either Billis or Givens. Who's.
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Next? Rob is.
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Next. Rob. Go ahead.
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Rob. Hey, Matt. You know, some of the points I was going to make here lately in this post game show, it's starting to make itself more evident. And you're seeing the fan base more and more. Moore look to the future with worry. And I just look at all these games he's losing, and each one of these teams has better players that he missed out on in the portal and recruiting. And I just don't see them getting Tyron Stokes. I don't see them getting Christian Collins. And as this fan base builds, looking towards the future, do you think that pressure is just going to affect Pope even more as we go.
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Forward? Yes. Yeah. I mean, this stuff builds on itself. Right. Like, no doubt. You know, when things aren't going well, you look to the future. Right. And when the future doesn't look bright and things aren't going well, that's not a good combination. So you have no recruit signed. That can still fix itself, but it's an issue. We've talked a lot about it over the last month. And then when you're struggling this year and you don't have recruits for next year, that is a concern without question. So I. Yeah, people. Look, people should be concerned. This is Kentucky. Contrary to the first caller's point, this is Kentucky. This is what you get. This show will go up. It will be one of the eight or nine most listened to podcasts in America. Sports podcast tomorrow. That's what you get when you come to Kentucky. If you don't want that, go somewhere else. All right. But when you're at Kentucky, that's what this is. And so you're exactly right. It's a concern. And I think you're reasonable to be concerned. Appreciate the call. Yeah, it's like, it'd be like Kaylin DeBoer if he's complaining right now. The Alabama football fan fans are mad. They lost 38 to 3. Dude, you were in Washington. No one cared. Right? You were in Seattle. They got the Seahawks and they got the Kraken and they got the Mariners. And so Washington is like, you can do whatever, but you went to Alabama and you got a lot of money to go to Alabama. And with Alabama comes all that. Alabama, this. Well, that's the Kentuckiness. And so, you know, the one consistent position I'm gonna have is I'm not blaming our fan base for expectations. And it is reasonable to be a little concerned. Do one more. We'll take our final.
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Break. Who's next about Bob and.
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Jamestown. How about it, Bob? What's up? Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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Bob. Yeah, you too, Matt. Tell your mom we hope everything works out for and happy New Year. Anyway, we're in conference play now and it's going to be a tough night in Big Blue Nation for all the wives, girlfriends, kids and dogs tonight. But I mean, these. This team just doesn't seem to know the tradition of excellence at Kentucky basketball. I mean, when you got two guys that are getting double figures, I mean, if these guys can't get three five pointers in 40 minutes, I mean, five pointers, I, I just don't understand. They just don't understand the tradition of excellence. This is Kentucky.
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Basketball. What does three five pointers.
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Mean? Yeah, we got score and rebound. Okay, thanks. Make a break to get a shot and get.
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Open. All right, well, thank you. Appreciate the call. What does that.
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Mean? I think he means like three or five three pointers. Like maybe let's get them going, but I don't know. Girlfriends of.
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Bbm. Yeah, see, I gave him a very nice.
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Greeting. Maybe it is the fan.
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Base. That's. Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Right. Maybe the first guy was right. 859-280-2287. We'll take a break, come back. Final segments. Local Toyota deals KSR post game show. Welcome back. It is the local Kentucky Toyota dealers KSR postgame show. It's what I get for New Year. Be nice to Bob. That's what I get. You made me do that. Billy, I've been working on my new. Well, I mean, it wasn't terrible, but it was also very. Bob. 859280, 2287 tonight, your bucks play here in just a few minutes. By the time people listen this on podcast, games probably going to be over. Are they beating Carolina to get to get to go to the.
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Playoffs? Yeah, they will. It'll be the most Bucks thing ever. They'll win in Atlanta, will win their game versus New Orleans. So it will make Carolina the division.
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Winner. You've Heard that's your prediction. Is that the Billy our sports lock of the.
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Week. It is. That is what's going to.
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Happen. Well, we'll see. That's that game is. Is today and then what Seattle and San Francisco tonight for the one seed and then my. Let's see tomorrow night's Ravens, Steelers, right? Yes. Learn all this on the NFL Cover zero. Pike, are we going to the Super Bowl? Have you found.
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Out? I mean they're talking like they're going to send us to radio row. I don't know about the.
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Game. So you. So they have responded to.
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You? No, they haven't. But I mean initial emails was.
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Very. So you. The answers you don't. The answers you don't.
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Know. No, it's up in the air still.
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But. Okay. All right. Good. All right, who's up.
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Next? Jim is up.
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Next. Jim. Go ahead.
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Jim. Hey, Matt. First time, long.
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Time. Who. What's up.
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Sir? Two things. Two things. I. I'm the guy that I've watched the games on the radio. I mean, Tom Leach is, you know, he paints the picture in my mind every game, nine out of 10 games. I don't get any subscriptions or anything. But two, two stats that I noticed don't seem like we have enough of. One is fouls. I don't see players getting in foul trouble and two is assist. And I'll just ask your opinion on either of those two.
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Things. Well, fouls I think are. Have a lot to do with. It can depend. Sometimes you're fouling and it's good because you're being aggressive and sometimes you're fouling because you're being lazy and reaching. So I think that's hard to make a generalization on fouls. Assist. I think it's a, it's. It's a completely fair generalization to not have enough assist. We, we don't, we don't run an offense that has a lot of flow. I think we don't because we can't shoot. And so I think they believe a lot of our best action has to be individual. My problem is I don't think there's anybody on this team that can consistently beat their man off the dribble. Besides Jalen Low, Jasper Johnson can, but he has other mistakes. But these other guys can't beat their guy off the dribble. Always physical enough that he can sometimes like, bull his way through there. But Aberdeen, Chandler, Cam Williams, all these guys, you have to get them shots. They can't get their own shot. Jalen Lowe's the only guy on the team shot.
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Right. Do you think we still have a chance to make the NCAA.
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Tournament? Yes, yes, for sure. I appreciate the call. For sure. First of all, the sec, that was the hardest game we'll play in the sec and it was a terrible performance. But let me just look at my little calendar here. All right, so let me read you the next few games. Missouri at home Wednesday should win. Mississippi State at home Wednesday or Saturday should win at lsu. They're okay. But you sh. But that's a game you need to win at Tennessee. That's tough. But that's probably your second hardest game the conference. Then Texas at home and then Ole Miss at home. My point is there's winnable games here in the next few weeks. Now if we lose to Missouri at home on Tuesday or we lose to Mississippi State at home on Saturday, then that's a different conversation. Let's see where we are after that before we go to lsu. Assuming we win those two games. That LSU games gonna be big to me. Who's next? Nick? Nick. Go ahead.
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Nick. Just going off your point about the basics, Matt. What gets me is I know that when he's. When they're not not getting out on three point shooters, when they are not being on. Not doing what they're supposed to do on defense, that's coaching. Hey, go. They're not getting stopped in practice. They're not getting told. They're not being corrected on the spot when it's wrong in practice. And that's terrible coaching. I'm sorry, but it is. And Mark is not being a good coach right now. It is honestly putrid to me. And the way that we get. We're getting like that stat about 20 points. That's unacceptable. We're. It's just not Kentucky basketball. And one, I'll. I'll quit on that. Could you say something about the quarterback that we got who got an injury then the.
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Show. Well, do we. Wait a minute. I appreciate the call. We don't have him yet, do we? Shannon? Billy, I.
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Haven'T. I haven't heard anything official like.
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That on everything you said. I agree it is poor coaching. We play like a poorly coached team. It is worth noting we will spend a lot of time talking about this Monday. But I do want to note since I haven't been on the radio so yesterday and today were massive days for UK football in terms of the people they have visiting as part of the transfer portal class. They had some big time people here, including Sam Levitt, quarterback at Arizona State, right Now he's ranked as a number one quarterback in the portal. There'll probably be a couple people who enter the portal later that will pass him, but he'll be a top five portal quarterback. Most people will tell you Kentucky is the favorite, but Texas Tech is right there as well. We'll see what happens. He met with Stein yesterday and I was told, I think they were up in. I talked to somebody at 12:30 last night and Stein was still meeting with him then. So, you know, hopefully that worked out. We have the receiver here from Texas. We had a running back from Texas, Tavon Wallace, who is Trevor Wallace's brother from Arkansas. He. He's here like there's a ton of people here. They'll probably get some commitments in the next few days. Some of these guys they're trying to get are going to visit other schools, so we'll see. But I am excited. They front loaded their visits in a way other schools didn't because they had to because Wilstein has to go back to Oregon to prepare for the next game. So they brought a lot of their top guys here. There's an article on Kentucky Sports radio that showcases like 50, 15 kids were here and we'll just have to see how that. How it plays out. I'll talk more about this on Monday. I'm. I feel very good about where UK football is from a nil slash portal slash future standpoint. Some of my concerns I've had about the basketball still have. We'll learn more about them over the next few weeks. But football, from what I've learned in the last week, I feel better about the stability of what Kentucky football can accomplish. It'll be up to the coaches to do it, but can accomplish than I have in a long, long time. Matter of fact, I would say the ceiling for me now is higher than it's ever been because I think structurally Kentucky's got a really good situation. Not the best. There are teams with better situations, but good. And the rev share era has a potential to be good for Kentucky if they do it correctly. Let's do four more. Who's.
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Next?
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Chris. Chris. Go ahead.
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Chris. Hey, Matthew. I think Tayshawn would have killed with those five.
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Pointers. Well, can you imagine how good he would have been? Jody Meeks.
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Too? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think our problem is our coach is just too tall. How many bigs have been great coaches? They're all plucky little.
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Guards. That's a good question. Have there been good? Phil Jackson was pretty tall, wasn't.
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He? Yeah, he.
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Was. He was pretty probably the best. I appreciate the call There are you're right they usually are. I mean think about the best college coaches Billy. They're all little guys. Yeah it's interesting. Why do you think sinners don't become coaches? Is it just a stereotype that really tall people can't be.
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Smart? Maybe but can you think of.
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A really good tall college.
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Coach? Who was the old Georgetown coach back in the.
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Day? John Thompson was very tall. Yes. That's a good one. Okay so John Thompson that's a. Well I can't think of another one though he was tall. I don't know how tall he was but he's a big man. I don't have good question well what's while we're thinking about it who's.
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Next?
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Jerry. Jerry. Go ahead.
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Jerry. Hey man. I got two things I get off real quick buddy. I. I didn't get to watch the game today I didn't realize low at 21 but I want the acquaintance.
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Have a good ball game and missed missed some shots around the basket and I. I thought got beat a couple times.
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He.
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He. He didn't play great but he wasn't terrible but he didn't play.
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Great. But you think the next maybe start in the next game or do he'll start low and quaintness I think.
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There'S an argument with two teams you're playing that on paper you're you should be better than than and they're both in rupp that maybe that would be the time to switch and start those guys we'll see what he ends up doing.
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Okay. No another quick thing man. I watched Stokes play yesterday the kid from washing at re recruiting yes and he's playing a tournament in Arizona. He's. He plays on the same team as JJ Crawford the number probably the best freshman in the country who is I think his daddy either coaches assistant coach but anyways he had a him and J.J. crawford got into it Crawford told him he wasn't hustling so they take him out JJ Crawford told him and they take him out of the game about five minutes ago in the second quarter and didn't put him back in the game but the second half he didn't do nothing but rip the heart out of that team he took that game over the second half and he's 68 about 240 and he ain't nothing but a dog.
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Matt. He's great he'll be He's a great player he's got there. There are issues that people worry about with attitude and a lot of things but when it comes to playing, when his head is in it, he's awesome and Kentucky needs him and I don't know if they're going to get him, but they need him. Do you find any tall.
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Coaches? Does Bill Russell count? Is.
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That. Yeah. I mean Bill Russell I think though didn't he just coach himself? I think he was a player.
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Coach. Yeah, he was a player.
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Coach. So it's pretty easy when you can coach yourself and you're really good. Yeah. Right now I'm going Phil Jackson, John Thompson. Is Greg Popovich.
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Tall? Yeah, yeah, he's. He's decently big. Wes.
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Unsold. Yeah, he was. Was he a good coach?
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Wesley? I don't, I don't know that. I just seeing players that were.
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Coaches. Yeah. Who's next? Two.
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More.
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Austin. Austin. Go ahead.
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Austin. Matt, I think you're super fair with your analysis. Appreciate that. I don't want to be fair. I want to be a fan. I'm just a basketball Benny. I don't have an almost Ivy League degree, but what drives me nuts is late in the second half we go to this high two man game with low acquaintance and it seems like we're running, they're driving and if it's not there, he's kicking it for a dunk or three at least an attempt, which we don't get many of those. I wish we threw that in the first half. Oh wait, we don't start our best players so I guess we can't build our offense from there and move out. What's so frustrating to me is it's like last year we had a break from the Cal horrific offensive set and it was like a breath of fresh air. And now it's like we've reverted to those Cal years and it's, it's driving me.
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Nuts. It's like by the way, with players that aren't as good. See that's what has been, what has been frustrating to me is I'm with you. I feel like we're running a Cal offense and the guys aren't as good. So it's, it's like, it's like we're running in that like the, the, the. I feel like I'm watching the Oscar teams without Oscar. You know how frustrating they could be offensively. Like that's kind of what I feel like. I'm watching, I'm watching the Oscar teams without.
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Oscar. I'm in Alabama. I was at the game today. Alabama fans are saying your team is awful to Watch. I'm like, yes, I know. And I still came to the game. One more thing. Sorry. Well, too. I'm sick of being in Alabama. And then it always just. We go down there and Alabama so much better than us. I look at Oats fighting and passionate and screaming. Now look at Pope. He's not doing it. Last thing, I think the preseason hype was our offense is going against our defense, which made our offense look really good. And it's not. Appreciate, appreciate, appreciate the.
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Call. You might be. I. I think they ran a different offense last year, though. I do. I think that this is not. They are running a Cal offense without Cal players. I mean, that's. That's what they're doing. And it reminds me of the, like, imagine the Oscar team where he had. Tie, tie. Okay. And imagine that team if Oscar didn't play. So, like, Lowe's kind of like Tata. He can get his shot, but then you've got like a couple other okay. Players. Some athletes all over the place, but they just. They just are disjointed. That's kind of how I feel. I feel like this. That's what we're looking at. Always a little bit like Case and Wallace in the sense that he scores a lot, but, like, you know, I don't know. That's what I feel like I'm watching.
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Sometimes.
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And. And that's. That's hard to watch. One more. Who's.
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Next?
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Bobby. Bobby. Go ahead.
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Bobby. Thanks, Matt. First time, long time. Who I'm gonna close. I'm gonna close the guy out that talks about the stick of gum mystery. So I went back and found it at the 5 minute 11 mark, obviously. Second half pass goes out of bounds, mishelled by Oway. Pope has to duck to not get hit with the ball during that brief period of timeout. Pope puts a stick of gum in his mouth, literally 10 seconds, chews it, spits it out, continues. That's all I.
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Got. All right. I appreciate it. The mystery solved. There you go. Some other good tall coaches real quick. Larry.
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Bird. Oh, yeah, of.
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Course. He can coach very long, but he was pretty good. Papa. Six four. Do you count? I'm six four. Does that.
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Count? Six four is.
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Tall. Yes. All right. But basketball, it's not that tall. But.
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But. Okay, you're right. I'm speaking from a perspective.
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Here. Yeah. I mean, basketball is not crazy tall. Matt Painter is six.
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Seven. That's tall. I'd pick.
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Him. So I'm going to rank college coaches by height in terms of success. If John Thompson's going to be number one and Matt Painter number two unless someone gives me a better one. Bobby Knight was 6 5. He's obviously a great coach. I don't know if I consider 65 tall, but I'll put him on the list and then I can't think of maybe. You do have to be short. So Mark Pope has it if he gets going. Not a lot of people for him to.
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Pass. He's 6:10.
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6:10? Yeah. I mean, John Thompson was like 6:8 or 6:9. So yeah, Pope might be the tallest. Now we just got to make sure he's good so that he gets on the list. All right, thank you folks very much for listening. Enjoy the rest of your Saturday night. I'll be back tomorrow morning doing the ESPN show with Myron and then I'm back on the show on Monday. We will see you folks later. Cats lose in Alabama. This has been the local Toy dealers KSR postgame.
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Show. What's.
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Up? It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars from the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about everything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of More on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your.
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