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Matt Jones
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Billy Rutledge
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Matt Jones
Welcome everyone. It is the local toy dealers KSR Postgame show Kentucky takes a disappointing loss on the road at Georgia 82 69A not the not the kind of game you want in in Athens. Ugly game, took two and a half hours and unfortunately gets the loss. It is light, probably later than I thought we'd end up on this game. So I hope we can hear from you. 859-280-2287 like to hear what you thought about the game. I mean I think there's probably three things you can, you can focus on. I think the one that seems to be getting the most attention online is the one I'll do second. But for me the, the main part of this, of this game was Kentucky just out physical again. And you know, I think this has been a recurring issue for Kentucky since the Western Kentucky game. And the good thing is they're such a good shooting team and they play together so well that sometimes they can overcome this. But they've been out physicaled really in the Ohio State game, even in the Louisville game, even in the Florida game, even games we've won, they just are continued at physical play. They don't like it, they run away from it and they've given up. They've had 15 offensive rebounds given up in the last two games back to back at least 15 offensive rebounds and it crushed them. I mean I heard Mark Pope, I listened to his comments to the press, not on the radio and he said and I think this is right. I actually think Kentucky played some of its best defense of the year in guarding the first shot or the initial movement of, of of Georgia. They I think Georgia took a lot of bad shots. I think some of the shots they took are shots that Kentucky would have wanted them to. But the offensive rebounds crushed them. The loose balls I thought 50, 50 balls I heard the announcer say at one point were an issue and I thought that too they just were a step quicker and tougher to, to all loose balls and, you know, and then in the second half, as things got difficult, I thought we got way out of rhythm. I mean, just Lamont Butler, who I thought played great. I can't criticize Lamont Butler. I thought he probably had the best game of, of any of our guys. But there were three straight possessions where he basically tried to take it one on one. He wasn't able to finish in any of them. And that's really not. Kentucky's game is, is taking people off the dribble. That's not what this team is good at. And it's just, it was a bad performance. And you know, the biggest disappointment to me is I think Kentucky could have won this game, you know, if they, if they shot a little bit better, if they were able to be a little bit more physical. This was a game that was there for the taking because I don't think Georgia played particularly great. But it didn't happen. And, you know, we're going to have to see toughness from this team on the road. I, I, if you, if you look at the games that have been the most disappointing from a toughness situation, it's been the three losses. And then I, you know, maybe, maybe the Louisville game as well, even though we won that game, but they just, this team does not like contact. And you know, which gets me the second point, the officiating. I know people are frustrated and I'm. It was not well officiated. Matter of fact, it was officiated really poorly in two ways. One, they call way too many fouls. And they also went. How many times did they go to the review? Like nine times. There's got to be some kind of thing that makes it every single time a person might have gotten hit in the face. I don't think we have to go look at it. But they did tonight. But, and it was inconsistent. I mean, I do think that, you know, Georgia, Georgia got more free throws. I think a couple of the calls were particularly egregious. But at the same time, I also agree with Jack Givens, which is if you want to draw fouls, you have to play aggressive. You have to get into guys. And we just don't really, we. When you watch these players, our guys go to the basket, they avoid contact and Georgia initiates contact. And when you have a game like today where the referees are whistle happy, you want to initiate contact so that they call fouls. And our guys. I noticed this with Jackson Robinson especially, but owe does It, Butler does it, Carr does it. They try to pull back and almost shoot over the foul instead of going into it. And it causes us to have very few and ones because we rarely draw the foul and we miss a lot of layups. And I think that in a game like this where the referees are whistle happy, it hurts you. And then, you know. Third, there's an athleticism issue with this team that is not going to go away. I mean we just aren't that athletic. We watch us when we go up for dunks, we either don't dunk or I think Butler had one the first half where he was barely able to dunk. And because of that, in order for us to win, our offensive flow has to be good. And it just wasn't for 30 minutes of the game. There was a little period where we started doing the backdoor cuts. We cut the game to five at one point and I really thought we were starting to get a rhythm. And then there was a sequence that I think was ultimately kind of the defining sequence of the game where we came down and it was, it was a five point game and they came down and they, we had the, the Andrew Carr where they called it a flagrant. You know, I don't know if it was a flagrant or not. It probably was by the rule. But Carr gave him that rebound. I mean Carr did not box out. He gets the rebound, then he grabs him. Now Santo missed those free throws. So while it was a big call, they actually only got the original two points. So it went from a five point game to a seven point game. Then we come down, owe gets a wide open three. I mean he had two back to back wide open looks. He misses it. They call the foul on Robinson on the rebound. That was a flop by Blue Kane or whatever his name was. That was a flop. But they call it and it goes to a nine point game. And I really thought that if, if either we could have gotten that stop, if Carr could have gotten that rebound before he flagrant foul, which he should have, he got out toughed and we had the ball down five or even if away hits that three down seven, I think we had a shot to win the game and neither of those things happened. And you know, I, it's, it's just tough. This was, this was an ugly game. It was a game that, that, you know, the reality is in the SEC this year it's not going to be easy to win on the road in any of these games. I mean Tennessee lost by 30 tonight at Florida Auburn's going to win at Texas. Auburn's probably the best team in the league. Auburn might be the best team in the country, but in general for Kentucky, winning on the road is going to be very tough. And we're not going to do it unless we're either hitting shots or playing tough or both. And if you look at Kentucky's losses this year, take the three losses. We have been out physical in every game by a lot. Clemson, Ohio State and Georgia. And we've also shot 18 of 72 from three in those games, which is 25% that combination. This team's just not good enough. We're gonna lose. If those two things happen. If we give up offensive rebounds and we shoot 25% from three, we're not gonna win. So I understand the frustration about the officiating. I don't think it was good. But to be honest with you, I don't think we were winning that game. Either way, they got rattled. On the road. Pope talked about focus and toughness. He used a bunch of words. I thought his comments were actually really, really intelligent. But it just, we're gonna have to be better on the road or we're gonna have a lot of nights like this. You know, Saturday at Mississippi State, you're gonna play a team that is just as tough and probably a little bit more talented. I think they're winning at Vanderbilt right now. It's a big game. This kind of reminds me of the Clemson, Gonzaga 12 where we said let's get one of these two and the Clemson one was easier and then we lost but then we went and beat Gonzaga. It's kind of how I felt about this. I thought Georgia would be the easier one, but now you got Mississippi State. I think you got to win one of these two. So I think Saturday night at 8:30 becomes pretty important. 859-280-2287. All across college basketball been a weird night. Feel like there's a lot of these. Tennessee, Florida score was bizarre. But I think you're starting to see tears in the sec, which is that Auburn's the best and everybody else is gonna have a hard, hard time winning on the road. And I think we're in that group as well. 859-280-2287 we will take your calls and hopefully get through this together. Cats lose at Georgia 8269 we'll be right back. It's a local Toilet Dealers KS game show. Welcome back. It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Postgame Show. 859-280-2287. One person writes on the text machine. Matt, I don't understand how we beat good teams but lose handily to three bad teams. I mean, it's a fair question. I think it's a style of plaything, right? I mean, I think Duke, Gonzaga, and Florida are all offensively skilled, decent defensively, pretty good, actually, but they don't play that physicality defense. They just try to pressure you a little more. And. And Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State try to muck it up. And that is working against us right now. And I think if we were hitting shots, I don't think it would work as well. And I think these guys. I think these teams are saying, beat us at the rim. All right? Beat us at the rim. We're not giving you threes. Beat us at the rim. And we are soft at the rim. We miss layups. We don't. Our big guys don't take it up and dunk. I mean, we had four dunks tonight, by my cat, by my count, where we got either blocked or on Butler's. It barely went in. Like, you know, we're just not strong, taking it to rim. And these teams are saying, beat us at the rim, and we're just not able to do it. Another person writes. Matt, is it time to talk about Robinson? Only three points? Yeah. I mean, he was bad tonight, and he looks scared, especially in the first half. He. He looks scared. And. And, you know, that's another thing everybody's got to have. Every team's got to have, like, a star, and he needs to be our star. And too often, he's just not. And again, I think if you go look at the games that we've lost, he has not played well in any of them. And that's. That's. That's definitely going to be a problem now, Billy, this one. Okay, this was an actual comment I got.
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Billy Rutledge
Oh, all right, let's hear it.
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Matt Jones
Pope is saying the right things tonight, but we can't allow a world where boosters could give officials high sums of money to have a bad night on the job. If this happens again, he needs to be more forceful with his criticism. Stop it. Just stop it.
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Billy Rutledge
Like, stop grasping a little bit.
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Matt Jones
I mean, you grasp. You think these refs. I mean, that those are. That's a federal crime. So I think you're going to need some evidence before you accuse the refs of federal crimes. Listen, when you go on the road in conference play, especially in the sec, you're giving away six to eight points in calls that's just how it is. Okay? That's just how it is. And I've said this for years, and I'm going to continue to say it. Anybody that thinks that Kentucky. That refs intentionally want Kentucky to lose are insane. The SEC needs Kentucky to be good. So if the SEC was going to cheat, it would be on our side. But I don't think that's what happens. I think what happens is refs get caught up in the flow. They call a style of game, and when they call it physical, that's not what we're good at. And Georgia flops. And the refs fell for it. Right? The refs fell for it, but they also were more physical than us. I mean, at the end of the day, listen, I didn't like the officiating, but they called five more fouls on Georgia or on us than Georgia. The difference is their fouls were shooting because they take it to the rim and initiate contact, and we don't. We avoid contact. They initiate it. And when you're playing against with a group of officials where they're calling everything, you got to initiate contact, and we didn't. And so that's, I think, a big reason why they had a lot more free throws than we did. All right, who's up first?
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Billy Rutledge
I will say Cal would have gotten ejected from that game.
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Matt Jones
Cal would have gotten ejected. Reviews, there's no doubt. Cal would have got. You're exactly right. That is a game where Cal would have gotten ejected, but we probably would have lost the exact same way because last year's team had these same problems. Right. Like last year's team had. Last year's team had games like this where we just weren't tough enough. And I. You know, I used to always roll my eyes that Cal always said tough. But there is something to the idea that you have to go up with two hands and get the rebound. I mean, I like Andrew Carr a lot. He's been great, but he doesn't box out. Anybody ever like that? That. That possession where I think Carr actually got choked, you know, but part of the reason that happened is. Did you see how he tried to rebound? He tried to rebound by facing him and pushing him.
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Billy Rutledge
Not a great strategy.
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Matt Jones
That's not how you box out. Now, that ended up to where they fell on each other and, you know, maybe they're. I don't know what they could have called a foul on. I guess it was Cyril, but that's not. You don't box out by looking at a guy in his face and pushing him, like, that's not going to work. So. So I. I didn't like the calls, but I don't have a ton of sympathy for us because the game, A, really wasn't that close, and B, we didn't do the stuff we needed to do to draw the calls, in my opinion. Who's up first?
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Billy Rutledge
Kenny.
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Matt Jones
Kenny. Go ahead, kid.
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Caller
Hey, what's up, Matt? Just looking at the box score, man. Our two starting bigs, Carr and Williams, they combined for eight points and eight fouls together, which.
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Matt Jones
Wow.
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Caller
Then which forces Garrison to, you know, to play most of the minutes. I think he put in 27 minutes tonight.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, that's all right. He's still too confident. He's. He's too confident for me. He and Williams both, but he actually played all right. I. I think he played decently well.
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Caller
For games like this, which are going to be most of our conference games. He. Unfortunately not to crush the kid because he seems like a good kid, but he might be our best option because he is the most physical, gritty big that we have. And you would think that Amari Williams, for his size and his athleticism, he should be the answer, but he just can't stay out of foul trouble. I think.
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Matt Jones
He can't. He can't.
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Caller
13 minutes tonight.
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Matt Jones
No, you're right. He. He and I. I appreciate the call.
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Caller
He.
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Matt Jones
He can't stay out of foul trouble. And. And Carr doesn't like the physicality. I mean, it's clear, you know, Butler. Butler doesn't see. I don't feel. I feel like Robinson and Carr and Williams do not like physicality. And I don't owe. Is kind of. He plays like. Like he goes strong, but he also still will avoid contact. I. I just. Man, I wish our guys would, like, go at it and go with the rim hard. And did you see this Auburn player just missed his first free Throw? He'd made 71 straight free throws, Billy, and he just missed one.
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Billy Rutledge
No. That's. Tough break. I've been watching the tgl.
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Matt Jones
Do you like that? I watched that.
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Billy Rutledge
It's pretty horrible. And I'm a big golf fan, and they need. It needs some work.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I didn't. I didn't enjoy the few minutes I watched. Who's up next?
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Billy Rutledge
Christian.
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Matt Jones
Christian. Go ahead, Christian.
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Caller
Hey, Matt, what's up? I was there tonight, and two things I noticed. I was actually on the front row, like, in the corner across from Georgia's bench, which is the closest I've ever been. And you notice, like, a lot of different things when you're that close.
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Matt Jones
Yep.
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Caller
And Jackson was in my corner the entire second half. Like, that was the corner that he was defending in. And then we got figure him out. Like, he's just not. He looked like a zombie guarding his guy the entire second half. And it just up close like that, it was really concerning. And then secondly, seeing our guys, our big guys specifically down low, they, Williams and Car both reach with their arms to get rebounds. Yeah, the guy's point earlier, I think it was Kenny said it like Garrison at least uses his butt to box out, which he get the rebounds against. Athletic guys like that dude, I forget his name. He's the lottery pick of theirs. Like, he was just able to go right over Williams and. And Carr. Like, those guys have to get their butts in. Into them.
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Matt Jones
They don't box out. I mean, they do not box out. I'm. I'm really surprised how little. And I. I appreciate the call. Those two guys specifically, they do not box guys out. Most of the time when they get beaten on rebounds, they're just not in position like the other guy has better or equal position. You know, I'm not trying to pick on Carr because we wouldn't be good without car. He's. He has played well. He's an offensive option. I almost wish he would shoot more, but he never puts his body, to use your phrase. He does not put his butt into a guy and find a body and it. And it. And it kills us on the glass. And Amari's the same way. It's really strange. I don't think I've ever seen big guys who do that. As far as Robinson, you know, he did seem out of it, and Pope almost acknowledged that in the post game, and he said, we got to figure out how to get him focused. But they do. I mean, because that was a major, major issue. Who's next?
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Billy Rutledge
Yeah, he was putting up shots after the Florida game, too, so he must be in his head a little bit.
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Matt Jones
No, I mean, he, you know, he didn't. It's like he missed three threes early in the game, all of which were relatively open. And it was like from that moment on, he was just out of it. And, you know, I don't know, man. I don't. I hope he's not one of these guys. Like, if you don't hit your first shot or two, it's just not happening. So we'll see.
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Billy Rutledge
Big W is next.
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Matt Jones
Big W, how are you?
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Caller
Big W, how we doing?
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Matt Jones
Yes.
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Caller
First and foremost, how pathetic is Tennessee doing that?
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Matt Jones
What did I see they only make 10 field goals for the game or something like that.
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Caller
Tonight could be a lot worse, right?
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Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's. I didn't watch it obviously, but that's amazingly bad performance. But go ahead.
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Caller
Pope as a coach, as a leader, you know, we took the loss night, but what, I mean, he is, he's 10 out of 10. We're in, we're in very good hands with him and what he's doing with his roster right now, and they're going to be learning from every loss will be just fine. But he's, he's a great coach and we're gonna have a tough, tough road with the SEC and Jackson Robinson. Cool. You know, Mark Pope's pumping his tires. He doesn't seem like a negative coach. Right. It's almost like we need the fan base to like tweet at him or so. I mean, just get a tire. Score. He looks like not confident out there.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, he does. I agree with you. He, he does look lost and that's unfortunate. I mean, Pope, you know, Pope's known that kid longer than he's known anybody on the team. So I mean, presumably he'll. I know he's got the best chance to kind of get his, his, his buttons pushed. But you know, I will say this too. This is how Pope's teams at BYU are, though. Remember, we've talked about this. Like they beat, they beat Kansas. They beat Kansas by like 20 in Lawrence and then lost by 15 at home to Central Florida the next game. Like this is just. They throw up some duds and, and I think we're seeing that right now. Played a great game Saturday and kind of threw up a dud tonight.
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Caller
And we'll see against Mississippi State. Thanks for all you guys do.
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Matt Jones
All right, Appreciate it. This Texas trying to make a comeback here against Auburn. Did you see this play right here? This is a wild play. God tried to throw it off of, off of the Auburn player and then it went off his own foot. That was a tough break for him right there. But Auburn had a 20 point lead and it's down to five. Who's next?
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Billy Rutledge
Clay is next.
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Matt Jones
Clay. Go ahead, Clay.
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Caller
I was at the game tonight, Matt. The, the body language of everybody playing tonight, it just, it wasn't there. We weren't moving around like, like we have been in the past. I mean, a lot of the times we were just standing around majority of the time and well on, well, we had a defender just standing on top of us that we couldn't pass. The ballroom. Yeah.
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Matt Jones
There were three possessions at the end of the first half. There were three possessions in a row I saw where Kentucky didn't get the ball inside the three point line until either didn't get it at all or didn't get it all until under five seconds on the shot clock. You know that's a little bit of an example of what you're talking about.
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Caller
The one, one thing that, I mean it was their super bowl of course, you know, everybody was there, the student section was packed out and then they were actually, when they couldn't find a seat down below, they were actually going all the way up to the unsold seats at the top. So I mean it was just, it, it just didn't feel like we had the effort that we needed that we've had in the past.
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Matt Jones
Totally agree with you. I appreciate the call. It feels like to me this team plays off the positive energy our fans but the great teams have to play off the negative energy of the other team's fans. And this team so far this year hasn't done a great job with that. 859-280-2287. Let's do one more and we'll take a break. Who's next?
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Billy Rutledge
Todd is Todd.
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Matt Jones
Go ahead, Todd.
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Caller
Hello Matt. I'm really disheartened and this team from beating Duke and then Gonzaga. I, I was just really had high expect expectations on this team. But tonight it appeared to me that Jackson Robinson looked like he would assume being anywhere and after on that floor.
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Matt Jones
Well wait a minute. You had high expectations? I mean you're not giving up, are you? I mean that clear. Look, we just beat Florida Saturday and they beat the number one team in the country by 35 points tonight. Like you can't give up.
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Caller
Well, I'm not giving up. I'm just really disheartened with the way we play. We've been playing lately.
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Matt Jones
You know it's well, we played really well Saturday. I mean look, I'm down on this game too. But let's put in perspective, right? Like we, we did not play well tonight. I think we, and I think there are issues with this team that are going to continue to happen. But when you say like you're disartant in the way we're playing. We just played one of the best games we've played in forever on Saturday.
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Caller
Well that's true. That's. Yes, that's, that's true. But I just, I just thought we might not lose but four or five games this year back.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, maybe but this is the best SEC probably in the history of the conference. Right. Like, this is probably the best SEC ever. We're going to be playing. You know, we're on the road in these games. Like, I, I expected us to lose. I mean, I, I didn't necessarily expect us to lose tonight, but I, I, I still think we're going 12 and 6, 11 and 7 in conference. So there's going to be more of these.
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Caller
Yeah. And I thought that Georgia wasn't that good a team, you know, and I'm thinking Georgia be Vandy's liable to be this advantage too, this year.
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Matt Jones
And, well, I mean, look, I think we can lose any road game. I appreciate the call. I think we could lose any one of them. I also think that we could pull an upset in any of them. So, you know, we lost tonight. I think we could win at Mississippi State. We also could lose by 20 if we're not careful. Like, you know, we, we can't take anything for granted with this group because it's, you know, these games are going to be really, really hard. Oh, that's a tough break. Last 10 seconds. Arkansas got it.
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Billy Rutledge
The Auburn guy.
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Matt Jones
Oh, yeah, Auburn guy. I hope that dudes are not, I mean, they're really good. Like, this is an impressive performance at Texas. And even the one game they lost at Duke, they could have won. Like, yeah, this is, I mean, they're good. All right, we'll take a break. 8, 5, 9. Oh, they just hit knees. He's okay. 8, 5, 9, 2, 8, 0, 2, 2, 8, 7. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. This is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. Welcome back. This is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. You know, going into this game in the Kim Pom, we were still like 19th in the country. And, you know, there's a part of me that still thinks that might be kind of where we are, but I don't know because as soon as I think that, then we do a thing like we beat Florida. But I just think this is going to be our year. I really do. I just think we're going to kind of be up and down and up and down and up and down. I just, I kind of feel like that's going to be what this season. What, what this season is. We'll see. You know, Saturday will be an interesting test. If you win Saturday, then this game doesn't really matter. And then you get to remember after Saturday, we got two important home games in a row. We got A and M and Alabama both in. In rub like you, you can't, you can't let stuff slip. If you're going to lose this one, you need to, you got to get it back here somewhere. Now, did you say you broke the phones, Billy?
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Billy Rutledge
They're working for the most part, but it's like once every four or five callers. It's just complete static and it keeps happening to the same people. So I don't know if it's a.
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Matt Jones
So maybe it's their fault.
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Billy Rutledge
Maybe I just blame myself before I blame our beautiful collars.
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Matt Jones
But I think usually you don't. Usually you always blame somebody.
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Billy Rutledge
Well, not today, Matt. You know, we gotta better bring the mood up tonight.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. Thanks to the people, by the way, who came to the bar to watch the game. We had a pretty good crowd considering the weather. Everybody kind of deserted, I understand, as the thing went on, but it was nice to see people out and. Yeah, so it was good. Who's up next?
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Billy Rutledge
Chili.
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Matt Jones
Chili. How are you, Chili?
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Caller
I'm doing great. How you doing, Matt?
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Matt Jones
Doing good. What's up?
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Caller
So you, you already answered a bunch of my questions about the physicality and played on the road. So like, one of the big things I was worried about with Mark Pope coming in was how would he respond to like, you know, some random Tuesday in January, February loss? I think this Mississippi State game can really define the season. How do you think this team will come out this week or this Saturday?
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Matt Jones
Well, I mean, I think they'll come out and play well. I mean, I, or, you know, play hard. I, I, look, I don't think any, I don't think this team, I'm not worried about any point them giving up. I mean, the good thing about beating a Duke and a Gonzaga in a Florida, that tells you you can beat anybody, right? Like so you, you can go into any game and think you have a chance to win.
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Caller
But you don't think there's a, there's kind of a blueprint to beat us in terms of physicality.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, there is, but there is down low. Well, first of all, not everybody can do it, right? So like, yes, there's a blueprint, but not everybody has the dudes they have, right? Like they have a 6. Georgia has a 6 11, top 10 draft pick and they have. Excuse me, what do you say?
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Caller
Should have been a cat. He should have been a console.
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Matt Jones
You're talking about Cyril. I'm talking about Asa Newell. So they got two of those guys, right? So they got two dudes who are big Studs down low. And then they had some guys outside in the first half, got hot and hit threes. So, like, not every team has that. So start with that. Now, we're going to see more than our fair share of them in the sec, and I appreciate the call. The sec, unfortunately, has a lot of those teams, but then you get in the tournament. A lot of these other leagues, they don't have teams like that. So we'll see. I think Mississippi State is built like that. I want to see us beat a team like that. That's the thing. I want to see us go beat a physical team. You know, we. We have. We've beaten teams that aren't really all that athletic, that play physical, like Western and Louisville. We've beaten teams that are really talented, but not necessarily all that physical, like Duke, Gonzaga and Florida. Now, I want to see us go beat a team that is physical and talented, and Mississippi State gives you a chance. But there's not a whole lot of teams in the SEC that aren't physical. Interesting enough, Arkansas is a team that's not. But, like, think about how physical Tennessee is. Now. Alabama, on the other hand, plays a lot like us. So Alabama is a team that will probably have a game that's a lot more like the Florida game when we play them than the game tonight was. Who's next?
- [31:41]
Billy Rutledge
Sosa.
- [31:42]
Matt Jones
By the way, I'm really worried when we play Auburn, Johnny broom might score 50. That dude's great. Sosa, go ahead, Sosa. Yeah. What's going on, guys?
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Caller
Thanks, Billy, for taking my call. I was wondering if you all are.
- [32:02]
Matt Jones
Getting Brock Banff vibes with Jackson, Robinson and. What. I mean, what, what, what, what, though? I mean, Robinson's had some good games. It's not. I mean, he's. He's had. He's had three. I mean, he's averaging in double figures. He's had three or four really good games. So I'm not. I don't think it's like we haven't seen the talent.
- [32:25]
Caller
Right, right. But what I mean is, I assume we threw the bag at him.
- [32:31]
Matt Jones
Well, we threw the bag and these guys.
- [32:33]
Caller
Oh, yeah.
- [32:35]
Matt Jones
I mean, nowadays.
- [32:37]
Caller
But do you think we're getting at least so far? And I'm not trying to beat up on the King.
- [32:42]
Matt Jones
I mean, I think we're getting over our return. I don't think you can look at it like that. Okay. I mean, first of all, they're not spending your money, right? So, like. Yeah, so. So what do you care? I mean, but now, I mean, when we get to the point that there's revenue sharing and stuff. That might be a different conversation. But. But, you know, is. I think your point, which is valid and I appreciate the call, which is we thought he'd be our best player, and he hasn't been our best player. And that's a problem because I think this team, and I bet if Pope was honest, he would say he built this team around Jackson Robinson will be the dude. And he hasn't been the dude in very many games. And for this team to be a Final Four contender, he's got to be the dude. So, yeah, I mean, it's a little disappointing, but now he's had some big games. Don't forget that. I mean, he played. He. He won us the Gonzaga game. Right. I think. I try to think he played well. He played well against Florida, but his bad games have coincided with our bad games. And I don't think that's. I don't think that's a surprise. I mean, you look at the three games we've lost, there's been a handful of common denominators. We have not shot the ball well from three. Jackson Robinson has not played very well, and Kobe Bray has only made four threes combined in those games. I mean, there you go. Four, right? Four, three. I think that's right. He made two tonight. He made. I mean, we'll have to look, but I think. I think I saw that. I think he's. I think he only has four in the three games total and two of them were denied. So I don't know if he didn't get one in the. In the. I'm not sure what, what happened in the other two games, but that's. I saw that stat. He don't head for. Who's next?
- [34:42]
Billy Rutledge
Michael.
- [34:43]
Matt Jones
Michael. Go ahead, Michael.
- [34:46]
Caller
Hey, Matt. This is the first time for me calling this year and it was funny because I thought I was watching a bunch of kids who stayed too late at the Applebees having a strip club thing going on. I was 12, but I was frustrated by them how they were playing, but I was also frustrated by the refs going, we'll let you play, but then we won't let you play. But we're going to let you play, but then we're not going to let you play. And calling all the ticky tack fouls and things like that. Like the one diving, the one Georgia guy diving for the ball and slid like 7ft across the court and they didn't call it a walk.
- [35:29]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, I think he I'm.
- [35:31]
Caller
Just saying I, I think it got it wrong.
- [35:33]
Matt Jones
I think they were pretty consistent, though, in calling everything. I mean, I. In terms of fouls, I, I think there were.
- [35:39]
Caller
But it also looked like.
- [35:40]
Matt Jones
I think they called. I mean, they saw 45 fouls in that game, so I don't know how much more they could.
- [35:46]
Caller
Yeah, it also looked like to me that Georgia noticed that they were like watching the physical play very, very closely and then they played it to their advantage. So they were all up underneath the arm. They were.
- [36:01]
Matt Jones
They were doing all that you should do. That's what you should do. Yeah, that's that. That's the thing. You have to adjust to the whistle and that. You know, we used to like, like Cal used to always say that. Now he would complain about refs all the time, but he, he used to always say you have to adjust to the whistle. And the moment you see they're calling like that, then you got to jump into the shooter. And I'm not saying you got a flop because I don't like when guys floppy. But when you get fouled, right, you got to make sure people know you're fouled. You got to like yell and do that. I remember I went to a Cal Perry practice once and he would have them practice basically yelling when they got hit on and over the back. Right. Like when you have officials officiating like they are tonight, you got to play to it.
- [36:50]
Caller
I feel like they also had a lot of like a sloppy dribbling and things like that. But on a good note, though, I thought Garrison played good for extended minutes.
- [36:59]
Matt Jones
I do too.
- [36:59]
Caller
So I think Butler and Gary, that maybe is promising.
- [37:02]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Butler and Garrison both played pretty well. Butler, I thought. Appreciate the call. I thought he struggled some down the stretch, but I thought for 30 minutes, certainly in the first half, he kept us in the game. And then I thought Garrison was good. I still. Billy, I wish our three point shooters had the confidence our big men have. I wish our big men would give a little bit of their offensive confidence to our three point shooters.
- [37:30]
Billy Rutledge
He just keeps making threes, Matt.
- [37:32]
Matt Jones
You may not like that three he.
- [37:33]
Billy Rutledge
Made, but he keeps making them.
- [37:35]
Matt Jones
Come on. That was not that.
- [37:37]
Billy Rutledge
That's about how they all go into. They kind of die off the back of the ring.
- [37:40]
Matt Jones
You all kind of die. You're right. Who's up next?
- [37:42]
Billy Rutledge
Tracy.
- [37:43]
Matt Jones
Tracy. How are you, Tracy?
- [37:47]
Caller
Hey, Matt, how are you doing?
- [37:49]
Matt Jones
I'm good. How are you?
- [37:52]
Caller
Well, I mean, a long time. First time. So I'm glad. Here's the thing. I was really pleased to keep my husband under wraps because, I mean, the whole game, it was. Well, I mean, as it was. But then I found myself.
- [38:11]
Matt Jones
What do you mean, keep your. Hang on a second. I mean keep your husband under wraps? Like, like, were you, like, you didn't want people to know you had a husband or what are you talking about? No, no.
- [38:22]
Caller
In my family there is no, like, way to control yourself in these games. And so being being a student at 96, 97, 98, I mean, I know what, what amazing is. So anyway, I'm just saying that tonight I was, it was wild because I always feel like he over hypes things or gets, you know, he's way too into it. But I wasn't pleased because I felt like things were just on the, on the, on the negative from the beginning. And I appreciate you as I've listened tonight for getting me back, back on the level to kind of have some, some sense about things, if that makes any sense.
- [39:16]
Matt Jones
Well, I mean, look, we, we lost and it was bad and we lost Ohio State and it was bad, but we beat Florida and it was good. And I just think we have to accept we have a team that is not super talented. Okay, these are not. I've said this over and over and people get mad at me, but these dudes are not playing in the NBA. I mean, I hope I'm wrong. And so I don't think any of these dudes are playing in the NBA unless, you know, they get a contract for 10 days or whatever. But that's okay.
- [39:49]
Caller
So here's my.
- [39:49]
Matt Jones
But I think because of that, we're going to have really inconsistent performances and we just are going to have to accept that this year because that's what this team is.
- [40:01]
Caller
So ultimately, I appreciate you giving me some sense of balance because I was so irritated when I find myself irritated when I have to go, okay, calm down, quit it, stop, whatever and whatnot. To hear you tonight giving some level of sense about the play, the calls, all the things that were good and bad. I mean, I appreciate that because to be fair, I thought I was going to listen in tonight and hear you just be over the top in terms of some of the calls and some of the things. And even though it was balanced in terms of.
- [40:40]
Matt Jones
Yeah, to me, the calls, like, that's too easy. Okay. You know.
- [40:44]
Caller
Yeah, no, agree.
- [40:45]
Matt Jones
People think I just said. And I. It's nice to talk to you. Tell your husband to calm down. I appreciate the, appreciate the call, but it's too easy to just say we lost cause of the call. We lost by 13 points. Okay, you. We didn't lose because of the calls. Listen, I've been sued by a referee, so I'm clearly not against complaining about calls. But there's a difference between. This game was called physically. We didn't get as many free throws as them. And here's a handful of calls that made me. I think they got wrong in saying we lost because of the refs. We did not lose this game because of rest. We did not play well enough to win. Now, the officials didn't help, but we didn't play well enough to win. So I'll blame a call when I think it cost us a game. But what call cost us the game tonight? I think the biggest call of the game was probably the push off. They called on Jackson Robinson on that rebound, where that dude flopped. Yeah, because when you look at the time and the. And the score, I actually think that. Because we didn't really. We didn't make another run after that. And that was a bad call. But right before that, OA had a wide open three and he missed it. Like, the reason Robinson had to go for that rebound is always missed the open 3. If we make the open 3, that call doesn't matter. So that's why I can't. We. There's only one game, Billy, we lost because of the refs. Two, actually, that I can think of. One was the game that got me sued. That game.
- [42:19]
Billy Rutledge
Yeah.
- [42:20]
Matt Jones
A certain referee cost us that game. And then the Texas A and M, when they called Isaac Humphreys for the technical. That was ridiculous. For slamming the ball. Yeah, that was ridiculous. And that cost us the game. The rest of them, you had chances. And tonight was one of those games. All right, we got one more break. Is that right?
- [42:44]
Billy Rutledge
Yep, One more break.
- [42:45]
Matt Jones
Let's take it right now. We'll take a break. We'll be right back. This is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Postgame Show. Welcome back. Final segment is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Post Game Show. Matt Jones here late at night. You know, Michigan is playing UCLA right now. Top 25 matchup. And Billy, did you know that game was on?
- [43:06]
Billy Rutledge
No. I've got LMU St. Mary here.
- [43:09]
Matt Jones
Yeah, you didn't know it because it's on P. Peacock. Peacock. That's a. That's a. That's a tough thing for the Big Ten. The Big Ten is going to have some of its best games this year on Peacock and people won't even know they're going on. Like, I don't Think like this is a top 25 matchup. It's a one point game. 63, 62. And I don't think most people even know it's on the big Tens TV deal. You know, they do get games like on NBC and fox, you know, regular tv. But then you get a game like this on Peacock and you got to be like, come on now. Why are we on Peacock?
- [43:44]
Billy Rutledge
Yeah, at least it's the bad games on ESPN plus, not the.
- [43:47]
Matt Jones
Yeah, this is a marquee matchup on a Tuesday night in there. It's on Peacock. So. 859-280-2287. Who's up next?
- [43:55]
Billy Rutledge
Our friend Madison is on.
- [43:57]
Matt Jones
Madison, how are you doing?
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Caller
Madison, how you doing tonight?
- [44:01]
Matt Jones
I'm amazing.
- [44:02]
Caller
Getting concerned about you. I didn't know if you made it, went to Athens or not.
- [44:07]
Matt Jones
Why? Why did you get concerned about me?
- [44:11]
Caller
Because I thought you'd gone to Athens, Georgia. I didn't know.
- [44:14]
Matt Jones
Oh, no, Athens. I, I stayed here in the snow.
- [44:19]
Caller
Oh. So I feel sorry for you.
- [44:23]
Matt Jones
Aren't you in Henderson? Don't you live in Henderson?
- [44:27]
Caller
Yeah.
- [44:27]
Matt Jones
Do you have power? I guess you do.
- [44:30]
Caller
Yeah, I do have. We had 2 inches there for a while. I didn't have it, but I do now.
- [44:36]
Matt Jones
Okay, good. Mark, go ahead.
- [44:37]
Caller
You would talk. You were talking about being more physical. What's it going to take for us to get more physical? Because I know we went up against Georgia and went up against Ohio State. Nawal Fiscal.
- [44:51]
Matt Jones
But what's it going to take? They're going to have to not be scared of contact. I mean, you saw when that six some toe guy was in, our dudes like just got away from him. They're going to have to embrace it. And you know, I don't know, that's. You could kind of hear Pope talking about we got to figure out how to do that because they, they have to because they are just kind of getting pushed around down low and you know, these other teams are seeing it and they're going to keep doing it.
- [45:18]
Caller
And then too, you mentioned that you thought we'd finish 12 and 6 in the conference. Do you think that's good enough for a bid in the NCAA tournament or not?
- [45:28]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I think that'll be good enough for the NCAA tournament. Yeah. I appreciate the call. I think, I think Kentucky will be in the NCAA tournament as long as they go, you know, 8 and 10 in the conference. They probably still be in the tournament. Nine and nine for sure. But they probably, with their strength of schedule, they probably get in at 8 and 10. So yeah, I'm not. But you know, the thing is, Billy, like, it sounds crazy. Oh, 8 and 10, that's terrible. But like, you could be decent and go 8 and 10 if you're not careful. Yeah. You know what I mean?
- [46:06]
Billy Rutledge
No, yeah. I mean, you could. How many teams are going to get into the tournament? I think their records 11 for one conference. Do you think that's.
- [46:12]
Matt Jones
Yeah, we're going to beat that. There's going to be at least 12. But I'm saying to you, like you. There's going to be a team in the SEC, go like 8 and 10. There's definitely going to be a team, go 8 and 10 in the conference and make the tournament.
- [46:23]
Billy Rutledge
Is it Kentucky?
- [46:25]
Matt Jones
Well, I don't think we'll lose 10 because I think we'll win most of our home games, maybe all of them. But yeah, I mean, we're going like. I mean, there's a world where, like, that's plausible. So that's why we've got. That's why the Florida game was so important. And I think the Mississippi State game would really make me take a deep breath because there's a lot. There's hard games coming. Like, none of these road games are gimmes. None of Vandy and Missouri are probably the two easiest ones and we don't play those till the end of the year. So, you know, it's not going to be easy. Who's next? Let's do four more.
- [47:03]
Billy Rutledge
Another celebrity. Heather is on the line.
- [47:05]
Matt Jones
Heather. How are you, Heather?
- [47:08]
Caller
I'm doing very good. I. I just felt like that tonight was a. A good night. I was supposed to call because of this morning's show. There were some things that you talked about. So instead of talking about this crappy ball game tonight.
- [47:31]
Matt Jones
Okay.
- [47:32]
Caller
You brought up the name Amos. That was my papa's name.
- [47:37]
Matt Jones
Oh, okay.
- [47:37]
Caller
Actually, it's actually my dad's name, but he has went by Casey his whole life for some reason, so. But it also is my dad's name. Then y'all talked about the vanilla wafers. Yes, my nanny. My nanny, she's 94. She always has the vanilla wafers on hand.
- [48:01]
Matt Jones
I don't think anyone under 60 has vanilla wafers on hand. Like I think you have. I think you get that when you're 60 years old, then they immediately start delivering it to your house. So it's always on hand because there's nobody right now under 60 who in there who has vanilla wafers at their disposal. They might buy them for banana pudding, but they don't have them head. They're just there. Unless you're 60 years old.
- [48:32]
Caller
Okay. And speaking of deliveries, I don't know if you've seen my tweet. I tagged you in, but last Monday on December 30, so it had been up like a month since.
- [48:46]
Matt Jones
Oh, you got the Mountain Dew delivery. Yes, I saw that. Yeah.
- [48:50]
Caller
Yeah. So they sent me, I guess it was a fan gear package. It had a hoodie, a hat, a tote bag, one of those big, like, insulated cups that, you know, you can put you hot or cold drink.
- [49:08]
Matt Jones
Yeah, we don't have to go over all of it, but I saw you got a big old thing for Mountain Dew, so congratulations.
- [49:15]
Caller
Sure did. And one other thing.
- [49:19]
Matt Jones
You only get two things. You don't get four, but I'll let you do one more.
- [49:23]
Caller
Well, this was just the update about Reed shepherd you were talking about this morning about him going D league. He got player of the game tonight.
- [49:33]
Matt Jones
He had 49.
- [49:36]
Caller
Right. And they asked him afterwards when he would be going back to the Rockets, and he said by Sunday. So he'll be going back up.
- [49:45]
Matt Jones
Well, good. Well, I appreciate the call. No, thank you. Good to hear from you. Appreciate the call. The Rio Grande Vipers. He played for 49 points tonight, Billy.
- [49:55]
Billy Rutledge
Very impressive. The second leading score on his team.
- [49:58]
Matt Jones
Had 1449 is pretty good. I mean, like, I don't care what you're playing. What level. 49 points is pretty good. Three more. Who's next?
- [50:08]
Billy Rutledge
Pickleball. Paul is on the line.
- [50:09]
Matt Jones
My goodness, are you trying to get people that are so. Paul, don't talk about pickleball. What do you got?
- [50:16]
Caller
I'm not going to do that, Matt. I will say, since we got snowed in, I got back on Netflix. And I hate to admit it, but I did watch your show Wrestlers, and I have to admit I really enjoyed it, y'all.
- [50:26]
Matt Jones
Why'd you hate to admit it? Why would you not want to admit it? Like, that's up. That's my show. I think you would want to admit it.
- [50:33]
Caller
Well, Matt, kind of where I'm going to now, like, it's still Tuesday night. It hadn't hit midnight yet. And you would argue with me that it was Wednesday. You never will agree with me. So I hate to admit anything good about you that's going to my next point about this basketball team, but I did like it, Matt. It was really good.
- [50:50]
Matt Jones
Well, thank you.
- [50:51]
Caller
I listened to you and you said from day one, without even knowing all these guys, and you just said it a minute ago. And I'm not saying you're crazy, but you keep saying that Jackson Robinson has to be the man for this team. I totally, totally disagree with you. I think Jackson Robinson needs to be a good player for this team.
- [51:09]
Matt Jones
So who needs to be the man for us to be good?
- [51:11]
Caller
Lamont Butler. And I'll take away are the men on this team.
- [51:15]
Matt Jones
But they play. But they play. But what? They've played well and we've still lost. If you look at. You look at. If you look at whose success most correlates to our team's success, it tends to be Jackson Robinson. I'm. I'm giving you that Lamont Butler is going to bring it every night. I feel like his effort is consistent and excellent. And I'm going to give you that Otega oe. While he may not make threes every night because he didn't hit any tonight, he's going to bring it and play hard every night. But this team is going to succeed or fail, in my opinion, based on how good Jackson Robinson ends up being. You may remember last year I used to say that about D.J. wagner, that I thought if D.J. wagner played well, we could be good. And then he did some, but then he never really became a star and we ended up losing Oakland in the tournament. I. I feel like this team can't be great unless Jackson Robinson is really good.
- [52:20]
Caller
Well, good. Good doesn't mean you're the man, in my opinion. I think I agree with you, man. Jackson Robinson needs to be good. But if Jackson Robinson is great and always. And Butler don't show up, lights out.
- [52:33]
Matt Jones
Yeah, but they're gonna show up. I mean, they're good. Here's the good thing about those guys and the good thing. And I appreciate the call what those guys do. They don't have to play well to do like. Butler is a defensive menace. He's going to be that every night. I'm not worried about him not being that. Always going to bring that energy. He leads a team in scoring, but, you know, I don't know. Billy. What? How was away fourth on Oklahoma in points last year?
- [52:58]
Billy Rutledge
Yeah, something like that.
- [52:59]
Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean, you're not going to win a national championship with the guy that was fourth in points for Oklahoma being your leading score. You're gonna have to get a dude. It's gonna have to be Robins. And if he doesn't get there, then we can still be really good, but we're not gonna be like, really good. And if you go back and look at the games where we've been really, really good with the exception of Duke where even Jackson hit a couple shots there. But like it correlates with how he plays most of the time. So that's why I'm saying that is. I just don't. He. We gotta have him play well because we just don't have enough pieces without it. And then we need Brayan hit threes, which he hasn't done in our three losses. Two more. Who's next?
- [53:49]
Billy Rutledge
Trey.
- [53:50]
Matt Jones
Trey. What's up, Trey?
- [53:52]
Caller
What's going on, Phyllis?
- [53:54]
Matt Jones
What's up?
- [53:57]
Caller
Well, Matt, I completely agree with, with what you're saying. Dill Pickles. I don't know what, what he's thinking about Jackson Robinson, but anyways, let's just move on. Hey, I, you know, this, this league, this year, the sec double edged sword, you know, but in a way, X, I kind of like it because, you know, you're gonna, you're gonna get your chance to figure out as a coach, Mark Pope, because most of these teams are going to play you physical. Yeah, we're going to have a chance to, oh, you know, week after week over and over and over again, figure out how to play through this physicality and win ball games that way.
- [54:48]
Matt Jones
You're right.
- [54:48]
Caller
And not have to live and die by the three. What, what do you, what do you think?
- [54:53]
Matt Jones
Well, I think we're gonna have. I, I don't think this team's good enough not to win unless they're hitting threes. That's just my opinion. I don't think you're gonna. This team is not going to beat anybody good winning with twos because first of all, I think we've talked about, I think we got to score 80 to win. I don't think we're going to win any games this year where we don't score 80 against good teams. So if that's the case, going to be hard to score 80 and not hit threes. I mean, you can do it, but you better be pretty efficient. I think we had a game, I can't remember which one it was, where we shot crazy efficient from two. But like you, you're going to have to be pretty efficient. But I do agree with your point about we're going to get a lot of practice at this and so we're going to find out if we can figure out how to do it because you know, the SEC is so physical and our weakness this year is physicality. So we'll know. And then if we get in the tournament and we play these teams that are less Physical. We can beat them. Georgia is the kind of team that we would draw. Let's say we're a four seed and we play a 13. Georgia is the kind of team that probably has that same amount of talent, maybe a little bit more. I want to see us. I'm. It's weird. I'm almost more worried in the tournament about the first and second round games because I think when we get after that, we're going to be playing these teams that are really talented and we'll be able to hang with those guys. It'll just be how good we play. Does that make sense? No. So.
- [56:24]
Caller
No, no, it does. And that's exactly my thought. I thought about that tonight. I thought if you can get through those first two rounds and once you start getting in the later rounds, you have similar teams.
- [56:37]
You're right.
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Matt Jones
You're exactly right. You're exactly right. Like, I could see Georgia being, I could see Georgia being like, I don't know, a 10 seed and you're a two and you play them in the second round. Right. Like I could see that. And that's the kind of team that I worry about. And we're going to get a lot of practice against those teams.
- [57:01]
Caller
No, I, and, and that's exactly why I say a double edged sword. I, I think it could be ugly and bloody or it could be glorious. And you just stand. You, you, you, you, you know, you, you, you slam the thing in the ground.
- [57:17]
Matt Jones
Yeah, we'll find out. We'll get another good chance at it Saturday because we're about to play another one of those teams. Exactly right. Appreciate, appreciate the call. Thank you. Let's do one more. Michigan pulling away from you say Michigan's good. They're four. No. Now, if they win tonight in a Big Ten, I think. Did they, I think Arkansas did count. Did they beat them? I think they did, didn't they? Or did. Yeah, I think Arkansas beat Michigan earlier this year. Who's next?
- [57:42]
Billy Rutledge
Todd is our Todd.
- [57:43]
Matt Jones
Go ahead, Todd.
- [57:46]
Caller
Hey, man, thanks for taking my call. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think it's time for Berea to start over. Robinson.
- [57:54]
Matt Jones
You know, Robinson came off the bench at BYU and, and was their leading scorer. So, you know, maybe, maybe I, you know, I don't know, whatever can get him going.
- [58:05]
Caller
I don't know if it, if it hurts his confidence or what, but he's just, he's been so lackluster and nonchalant out there. It's, it's, it's hard to watch, you know?
- [58:16]
Matt Jones
Yeah, well, Tonight was hard to watch because you could, you could see him not being confident and you could see him kind of. I don't want to say wilting, but kind of. And it was hard to watch. You're right. It was. Those first three threes were not close and that's. And they were all open and you kind of knew what was going to happen after that.
- [58:38]
Caller
Yeah. And just one thing about the toughness and physicality when we give up offensive rebounds, when they shoot free throws, that's. That tells me a lot about.
- [58:50]
Matt Jones
I agree. And we've done it in the last couple games. Yeah, I mean, you're exactly right. And we've had another three or four where they should have like the rebound. We should. They should have gotten it and then they fumble it off their hands or something. That could have been. We had three free throw misses tonight that honestly, Georgia should have rebounded and then something would happen. So. You're exactly right.
- [59:12]
Caller
Oh, yeah.
- [59:12]
Matt Jones
That's just boxing out.
- [59:14]
Caller
We are three. It's just three guys you're boxing out, not five. And I mean, you're exactly right. Stand and expect because we're tall that we're going to get a rebound. I mean, that's just not how this played in this league at all.
- [59:25]
Matt Jones
You're exactly right. I appreciate the call. We. We got a box out more but you know, they used to tell me when I played Billy finger, elbow, butt. Right?
- [59:36]
Billy Rutledge
Is that. Is that it?
- [59:37]
Matt Jones
Yeah. You would. You take a finger to find your man elbow to get space and then. But to box him out and I feel like our guys only do the finger part. They never get to the elbow in the butt. And in Andrew Carr's case, he just takes him and looks at him. You can't do that. You got to put. As the guy caller said earlier, you got to put the butt into it. You. You can do it. You got to put your back into it. Thank you all.
- [60:04]
Billy Rutledge
Oh, there's a good reference there.
- [60:05]
Matt Jones
That's right. We will. There you go. Finish strong. We will see you tomorrow. We'll be at KS Bar tomorrow morning. This has been the local toy dealers KSR post game show.