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Matt Jones
Welcome, everyone. It is the local toy dealers KSR post game show a pretty brutally pitiful performance in Nashville tonight. Kentucky goes down 80 to 55. Never is really in the game from the start all the way through. And after two games in Nashville this year against Gonzaga, Gonzaga and Vanderbilt, Kentucky loses by combined 60 points to those two teams in the city that is probably the most loyal to Kentucky fans and Kentucky outside of the state. You can give us a shout. 859-280-2287. Look, it's 12:15 at night and we just lost by 25 points. So this is one of those where I say, if you're up right now and you're listening, then I consider you my friend, unless you are really rude, but otherwise I don't think you will be because why would you stay up this late? So, 859-280-2287. When you call this late, this is your best chance, Billy, to actually get to talk without me cutting you off, because we have to fill this hour with something.
- [01:10]
Billy Gillespie
Big opportunity.
- [01:11]
Matt Jones
Big opportunity. Big opportunity to get. Get your words in. Look, this is an awful performance. Kentucky is now, what, 14 and 7? I will talk in a second about the season as a whole, but I think some perspective on what we continue to see in these games against good teams. Kentucky has played eight games this year on the road against. On the road or on a neutral court. Eight games. And in those eight games, Kentucky's been behind by double digits in every single game. By double digits in every single game. Even more stark, they've been down 17 points in seven of the eight games. So on the road this season, Kentucky has been an absolute dud in the first half of these games on the road, Kentucky has been awful. Not just, I mean, not bad awful. Now, to their credit, they came back against St. John's came back against LSU, came back against Tennessee. So they're only three and five in eight games where they've been down double digits on the road. But it's still awful performances and they've been absolutely embarrassed four times. I think it is very rare for a good Kentucky team to get embarrassed once during the season. Sometimes it'll happen on the road. Usually in the sec, you'll let one get by you. He's been embarrassed four times. Michigan State, Gonzaga, Alabama and Vanderbilt have beaten Kentucky in games that they've never once been in the entire game. At any point throughout the entire game, they've never been in it. That almost never happens twice a year. It's happened four times. And there's a decent chance. With games at Arkansas and at Florida still to come, it could happen again. And even if you go back to last year, when Kentucky had what I think was a relatively successful season, this happened throughout last year, too. First halves under Mark Pope, especially on the road, they're just terrible, and they're consistently terrible. He cannot get his team to play, to come out ready to play on the road against good teams. He just can't really against any teams. Forget about good teams against any team. They do not play well in the first half on the road. They struggle sometimes at home, too, but they always struggle on the road. That's just not a sign of a good preparation. It's just not. And you know, part of me sits back and says, when Mark got hired, I went back and looked at his time at byu, and it feels like. It feels like a lot of the stuff that we saw when he was at BYU is also true here. I guess I thought he would kind of grow out of some of it, but when he was at byu, he would get wins that you never thought he could get. I remember he won once at Kansas in a really impressive game a year. Kansas was like, number one or two in the country. He would get these wins that he had no business getting, but then he would lose by, like, 30 to Central Florida. And you would say, what? And we're seeing some of that here. When Mark gets beat, they don't just get beat. I mean, they get pounded. And that's kind of what happened today, this game tonight. You know, I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with my friend Jimmy Dykes, who I think said in the second half something like, you know, Kentucky's down 20, but they've played really hard. I just. I don't believe that. I don't think they played hard. Didn't sound like Mark Pope did either. As a matter of fact, Mark was seemingly pretty critical the of the way that they've played. Here's what he said just to Tom Leach just a few minutes ago. We need to engage our team in the game. That's been a space where we've been fighting a difficult battle all year long to get our guys to embrace this idea of being incredibly physical and forceful during a game. I mean, that's another way of saying our guys don't compete the whole game. And I think that's true. This is a team that has a pretty amazing ability to fight back sometimes, but they also have an ability to just have stretches of just not giving effort, and that's what Happened tonight. Yes, they shot poorly. Yes, they took bad shots, but they also played no defense. You heard Jack Givens say that he really didn't think anybody except Diabate wanted to play defense. I think there's a lot of, A lot of truth to that. They got crushed in transition. Did. Never got back. And then offensively, the reality is if we don't get points in transition and if we don't get ball movement, we're just not good. If you play a game in the half court and you can keep Kentucky in the half court and you limit and you just stay on your man and guard one on one, we're not Good. We had 45 points. What did away and Aberdeen have 38 of the 35, 35 of the 50. At one point it was 35 of 50, you know, and those guys look always been good in SEC play. Aberdeen's been better. But like, I mean, they're not. They. They cannot score over, you know, 60, 60% of your points. You're not going to win. 65, 70%. I mean, you're not going to. You are not going to win in that scenario. We got out physical by a team that's not very physical. The way you beat Vandy's on the glass, they crushed us. Everything you need to do to win this game, you just didn't do. Now, I can sit there and whine about it all day, but it's extremely annoying. And the thing is, games like this are miserable to watch. I mean, most of you, a lot of you are probably listening to this podcast on your way to work tomorrow morning because you went and you might not have even made it through the end of the game. I. Billy, during the second half, read a book with the game on the back.
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Billy Gillespie
Oh, you did?
- [07:52]
Matt Jones
Well, that's.
- [07:53]
Billy Gillespie
That's a normal second half.
- [07:55]
Matt Jones
Well, not. Not usually UK basketball. That's a Reds thing. But I. It was not interesting. I mean, I had it playing, but I didn't, you know, that I gave as much effort in some ways as they did during that. And I, you know, it's frustrating. I'm not. This team is not good, all right? And I've not thought they were going to be. Basically, I gave up on this team being good when Jaylen Lowe got hurt, and I kind of gave up on them being good before that, but I really gave up on him being good when he got hurt. I just said, well, they are what they are. Can we make the tournament? And I still think we can make the tournament, although I don't think it's assured. I do think we can make the tournament, but we're not good. But more disappointing to me than not being good is this roster, which fundamentally was flawed even at full capacity, even if everybody was playing, this was a flawed roster. But what is. And that needs to be fixed in the off season and we'll see if that happens. I'm worried about that too. But what is more of an issue to me is I genuinely think Mark up until this point has done a poor job with this team. He's taken a flawed roster and I think he's coached it poorly. They don't play to their strengths. Every. You could watch 10 different halves of UK basketball this year. Just randomly pick 10 halves and you would feel like you were watching six different teams. They never play the same style. They rarely play the same lineups. They have guys who don't play at all for three games and then start with yellow Vic. Or play two minutes and then play 34 minutes. Or are the central leader of your team like Diabate and then play eight minutes. It is impossible to have any sense of what Mark wants to do with this team because I don't think he knows it changes every game and the only two consistent forces are Away and Aberdeen because he doesn't have a choice but to play them back when he had a choice. They weren't even consistently playing regularly either. Every time he goes to the bench, it's almost like drawn out of a hat. Billy, who's going to come off the bench?
- [10:47]
Billy Gillespie
It could be anyone, Whoever's left.
- [10:49]
Matt Jones
There's a Trent Noah. Let's throw him in. Okay, Garrison, what do you think? Well, let's put Garrison Diabate in. That hasn't worked all year, but let's keep doing that. And it just. He doesn't know what to do with this group and it makes it very frustrating. I give them credit. I think they've. They've. They've won some. A couple games. They probably had no business winning, but it's just not an enjoyable watch. This is, in my opinion, the least enjoyable Kentucky team to watch besides the Covid team, probably ever in my lifetime. I hope that changes. There's still 10 games left. There are a lot of potential wins you can get here. That would be great wins if you win them. But you know, it is what it is. I know we won five straight. I give him a lot of credit for that. That season could have fallen apart in those five, but there have been too many games like this. Kentucky basketball does not have stats like I'M about to read you. They do not have seven of eight road and neutral site games where you get down 17. That is not a stat that Kentucky basketball should ever have associated with it. Right. You should not have a stat that says Kentucky has led at halftime just two times in the 14 games against power conference teams this year. Let me read that again. Kentucky said 14 games against teams from power conferences and we've led at halftime twice. Twice. That's a game plan. That's a coach that doesn't have his team ready to play. I don't know how you can say anything else. And then the one that's the biggest kicker to me, Kentucky has played 40 games under Mark Pope, 40 against Power Four teams, and we've been down 15 at halftime. Ten of those games. One out of every four times we play a Power Four team, we're down 15 at halftime. Come on now. I. I think they do a pretty good job of adjustments. I think sometimes when they just let these guys play, it works. But a coach who allows his team to be down in 12 of the 14 games a half in one season and down 1510 of the 40 games in two seasons at halftime is a team that does not have his team ready to play. And we can all guess why it is he out thinks himself. I mean, I don't know. I'm not in the room, so I can't answer. He's not a good motivator. I don't know. But I do know this. Kentucky basketball cannot have stats like that. And Mark always says that the first half's about gathering information. Well, the first half for me are about gathering information about the program. And the program is starting putridly and doesn't have the talent to make up for it in the end. 859-280-2287. We'll take your calls. It's late at night with Matt and Billy. This is the local Toyota dealers KSR postgame show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR post game show. A lot of good text messages on the text machine. One person writes, matt, I live in Sydney, Australia. Well, good day. I'm finishing up my work day. During the Louisville game, my Australian coworkers laughed at how engaged in the game I was, and so I made them honorary Kentucky fans. Now I don't even care. I'm just laughing at this outcome. Well, clearly you care. You're in Sydney, Australia, and you're listening to the show. So don't. Don't. I don't like when fans say they don't care. You care. You know, you're not, you're not listening. If you're people who don't care. Not listening now. So you care. But yeah, it's tough. But at least your Australian friends just keep them on because they'll. There'll be a good time ahead. That's always the case. One person writes, I don't understand what the focus on Low is. He wasn't that great. How many top 25 teams would he start at point guard for? I first of all played five games, so I don't know. And I thought he played well at about four of those five. But it wasn't even that he was so great. There was a world where I could foresee a way we could be good with him. Even though we never totally hit it. I could see us being good with him. I have a hard time seeing this group right now being good. I don't know what the world is that this team is really good. Does that make sense, Billy? Like, I could see how you could produce a really good team with Low at point guard. I don't know how this group we have right now gets really good.
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Billy Gillespie
Yeah, I think he had spurts where you saw, you saw it could be.
- [16:15]
Matt Jones
The second half of St. John's will always have that, right? No, we always could have that. Go watch that second half. Look how we played with all those guys were in. I guess we'll always have that as the. Is the one moment one person says, matt, why don't you ask Pope? You should ask him these questions. Ask him, bro. Well, I don't know when they don't make him, make him available to interviews to us. And he does one press conference a week and it's at noon on Monday, which I've always kind of thought was intentional because we can't go because we've got the show. So, you know, they. Kentucky has taken the view in the last five years that all coaches, the time you will talk to them is this little 10 minute window in a press conference and they'll do official stuff with the people for the official broadcasters and that's it. And that sort of avoids a lot of questions. You can really only talk to the coaches during the off season. So, you know, it is what it is. I'm not sure bringing him on and grilling him on KSR would go over that. Well, anyway.
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Billy Gillespie
Yeah, Matt, just ask Pope these things.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, Matt, won't you go talk to Trump about it? Well, I mean, he has to say yes, you know, so that's you know, it is what it is. That. That wasn't how it was when I started. I mean, used to be you could basically call and say, hey, can I get these guys on? And they would almost always say, yes. That has changed in the post Covid era and kind of is what it is. All right, who's up first?
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Billy Gillespie
Tyler.
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Matt Jones
Tyler. Go ahead, Tyler.
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Callers
Oh, what a privilege. I am the first one on after a 25 point beatdown. So I'm. I'm just. I'm struggling what to think right now. I've been a Kentucky basketball fan my whole life. It has given me some of the most joyous nights of my life and some of the worst. And I think for me, I care so much and probably too much, but I'm sit there tonight, I'm like, you know, I'm watching this game and they're probably gonna get blown out. So if they play bad, I don't care, but then I'll watch. They look unprepared, they look terrible. And I'm like, why am I doing this?
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Matt Jones
And you don't mean that, though. You don't mean that. I mean, I don't. I don't.
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Callers
I.
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Matt Jones
You. You do not mean. Why are you doing it? You've probably been doing this your whole life, watching these games. Right now you might say, why am I getting so upset? But, like, you're doing it because this is what we do. Like, why does a bee make honey? Because it's what a B is for. You're a Kentucky fan. This is what you're supposed to do.
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Callers
I'm supposed to make myself miserable by watching my team get blown up every night and sit there and say, man, I hope we come back from 20 points down.
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Matt Jones
But by doing that, it makes those moments where it's good even better. Right? Like, it makes those moments when we have those nights and we, you know, even with Pope, we've had a couple of them when we beat Duke in the, you know, in that St. John's game. And they're big, you know, the Knights, Oklahoma and the couple. Like, part of what makes those good, the LSU game last week, is because you also watch these nights, too.
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Callers
Oh, I. The LSU game, I went nuts when that happened. But, man, it sucks watching these kinds of games. And I know, like, so when I see these kinds of seasons go down, I think, man, you know, 2014, we had that, but 2014 was different. We had Julius Randall. We don't have a guy like that.
- [19:58]
Matt Jones
Yeah, we don't have.
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Callers
So for me, I sit Here. And I'm like, I. We're not gonna make anything happen in the postseason unless something crazy happens. And really, at this moment, I'm like, that would be the only thing I could lean on is, man, what if. And of course I'll watch. But there is. There's just. No, there's not a lot of hope for me.
- [20:17]
Matt Jones
Well, I mean, yes. Do I think this team is not, in my opinion, going to make anywhere close to 2014 run. The tournament's still great, though, and here's why the tournament's great. Can we win the National Championship? No. Can we make the Final Four? Probably not, no. But could you win a game or two? Could, like, could you be, you know, 10 seed, win two and win two games and find your way in the Sweet 16? You could, you could also lose by 20 in the first round or you could not make it. I mean, I, this team could. Any of those results wouldn't shock me. So I would say to you, what are you going to do that's better than this?
- [20:59]
Callers
I, I mean, honestly, there's the reason that I, I cheer for all my professional teams, but I care so much about Kentucky basketball. So I sit there and I'm like, I can't detach from it like I can with those other teams. And I think that's what I hate so much is I'm like, I struggle to. Like, tonight I turned the game off, and then 10 minutes later I was like, okay, have we come back yet? And then I checked, I was like, no, we haven't.
- [21:22]
Matt Jones
Yeah, but that's again, why it's great. I appreciate the call. I'm the same way. Like, I, I basically only cheered for Kentucky and the Bears my entire life. And then I started in the last decade really picking up the Reds. I've always kind of cheered for the Hurricanes, but I didn't really watch them very much. And, and then I started realizing that I really liked watching the Reds and the Hurricanes because they could lose and I'd be like, whatever. But there's no Reds, Hurricanes or Bears win that can do for me what a Kentucky win can. And so that's why. That's why it's better. But it also makes tonight's, like tonight stink. Who's next?
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Billy Gillespie
Lori?
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Matt Jones
Laurie. Go ahead, Laurie.
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Callers
Oh, that's me. Okay. So first time, long time. I guess what concerns me is the fact that we have this team. We know, 22 million, but. But it looked like OA and, and has been our go to player. So, I mean, I, I just don't understand the roster construction. And I know we have, like, three people out injured and, like, lifetime. Like, I was strutting with Sutton and in my family, too, and it's. It's so frustrating, you know, that I know we. Like, you never. Oh, I have a T shirt.
- [22:56]
Matt Jones
Well, I was a little young. Yeah, so I was. I wasn't. I wasn't really. I was very young then. So strutting with Sutton.
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Callers
Okay, Matt, you're not that much younger than me, so.
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Matt Jones
Oh, I'm very young. I'm very, very young. I would not remember that. But. No, but this. This roster construction is poor. And even if everyone was healthy, it still would have been poor. They did not recruit enough people who can shoot the ball. They were. They went to last year. They thought the difference between a title and that team last year was they weren't athletic enough. And they were correct. So they went and got a bunch of athletes, but here's what they forgot then. They don't have anybody to make shots. They. They went too far in the other direction. And if Mark Pope is going to have a team that's deficient in an area, he needs to have it be a deficient in athletes because he coaches shooters and he's got a team right now who can't shoot. I don't think a lot of them have great basketball iq, and those are the two things that are most important for Mark's teams. And my guess is I've not talked to him about this, but here's what I'm thinking. He thought, I cannot teach athleticism. I will teach them to shoot in the iq. And I think he's found that we.
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Callers
Can still be physical. We can't even be physical.
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Matt Jones
Well, they were physical against. See, part of this is why I blame effort. They were physical against Tennessee, and they were physical against Ole Miss. And then they just let, like, they. Then they just. Against the least physical team in the league. They're not. That's what doesn't make sense to me. Tennessee is the most physical team in the league, and they played them well.
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Callers
So I get it. And. And like my siblings and I, this is like our thing. Like, this is our. Our father passed away, so this is like our thing. And we go to the SEC tournament, Nashville, like, you know, for now until forever, and we spend, like, crazy amounts of money, and it's. It's disappointing.
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Matt Jones
But that's okay, though. Like, I feel like I'm having to do group therapy for everybody. Like, it's supposed to be disappointing. It's supposed to be disappointing. That's the point. Like it matters because you care. If we didn't care, we'd all go to bed, right? Like we. Like it's like we care. So I appreciate. I appreciate.
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Callers
I wouldn't be up here crying.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, that's. But. But we should be. Because it matters. That's what makes us different than everybody else. I don't want us. If we ever get to the point that we don't care, then we're not Kentucky anymore. We're Indiana basketball. Although I'd like to be Indiana football, I would not want to be. Although they got a big win tonight. Didn't they beat Purdue tonight?
- [25:43]
Billy Gillespie
Indiana, I didn't see, but I just found a strutton with Sutton hat on ebay, and I may need you to talk me out of buying it.
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Matt Jones
I actually would buy. You may or get it quick. You want it, you better buy it right now. Somebody's gonna get on there and steal it from you, because somebody listening right here will have it in five minutes if you don't buy it. How much is it?
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Billy Gillespie
35 bucks.
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Matt Jones
Is it trucker hat?
- [26:03]
Billy Gillespie
It is. And it's got Eddie winking.
- [26:05]
Matt Jones
Oh, you gotta get it. Get it. If you don't buy it or if I'll buy it from.
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Billy Gillespie
Buy it.
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Matt Jones
It's got Eddie Sutton's face on it.
- [26:12]
Billy Gillespie
He's winking at me.
- [26:13]
Matt Jones
Buy it right now. This is like a minute delay. It's gonna be gone.
- [26:17]
Billy Gillespie
I'm.
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Matt Jones
I'm trying. All right, who's next? Luke? You better tell me if you get it, Luke. Go ahead. Just shut up and do it. Go, Luke.
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Callers
Killing me. That's hilarious. Yeah, I'm here. I'm here, guys. I could talk about the fact that we got absolutely demolished, but frankly, I think we need to have bigger picture conversations. I know. You should really wait till the end of the season. And Pope is not getting fired by any means. I'm not saying I want him fired, but. But I do have concerns that this guy has no business being the coach in Lexington over the long haul. I mean, it just seems like, for lack of a better term, Matt, that this guy's got no balls. Like, I mean, your team's getting annihilated. Like, that means that you are not preparing your teams well, which is piss poor coaching. I don't know how you can't prepare a team to come out and play hard. A lot of the problems tonight were simply effort. I mean, they didn't do a single thing right tonight. They didn't shoot the Ball well, they didn't defend well. They didn't rebound. They didn't hustle. They didn't take care of the basketball. I mean, they literally did nothing. Right. And it's been the same old song.
- [27:20]
Matt Jones
And Stand, by the way, I mean, Mandy made some shots. They didn't play great, and, you know, they were without their second leading score. Let me go to your point about the big picture thing. Okay? Let's. Let's take a couple things that are. I think everybody would. Grant he's not going to be fired at the end of the year. You agree with that, right? Sir, that's not. That's not going to happen. Okay.
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Callers
It would. It would have to be pretty drastic.
- [27:44]
Matt Jones
Yeah. We would have to completely collapse. Yeah, we would have to completely collapse in these last 10 games. Right? And.
- [27:52]
Callers
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [27:54]
Matt Jones
And it would have to be bad. They would have to be bad. So I don't think that that's going to happen. Am I concerned? So granting that, because there are people who are like Matt, say that there needs to be change, I. I don't even know if I believe that. But if I did believe it, it wouldn't matter anyway because it's not going to happen. Do I have concerns, though? Oh, yes. I have multiple concerns. My biggest concern. This is what's. This is what worries me. My biggest concern is not even what we're seeing right now. My biggest concern is the way they're building the roster. I am concerned because I'm not certain next year is going to be any better because I don't even know who's going to be on the team.
- [28:34]
Callers
Right, Exactly.
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Matt Jones
I mean, I. We have no recruits. And you just look at this. Part of the game plan of this roster this year was you were going to be able to have a lot of these guys for a few years. Who can you say definitively on this roster will be on the team next year? I would assume.
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Callers
Would you even want.
- [28:53]
Matt Jones
Well, I would want some of them, but I also think like. Like Malachi Moreno, I think will almost certainly be on the team. Team. But beyond him, I don't even know. And then. Yeah, there is a question of who you would want. I don't know. So then you throw that in. We've spent all this money in the portal. I will tell you from my conversations, I'm not confident that money's going to be there next year because people are not happy with their rate of return on this year's investment. Okay.
- [29:26]
Callers
No. And Matt, you own a. Yeah. You own a business. You Understand that if somebody's investing in a business and it's not making money, it's working, they're not gonna go back to the investors now for more money. They're not gonna give it to you.
- [29:37]
Matt Jones
So if you go and ask for. Let's just say you asked for that amount. I don't know if that's gonna be there. So then there's that issue. Then there's the recruiting issue. Are they gonna be able to get a top guy? Are they gonna have to spend a bajillion dollars to get Tyron Stokes? And then you're beholden to the number one talent, but he's a unique character that could go in any direction. You could have a superstar, you could have a dude that takes you in another path. So, yeah, I'm concerned. And then once you get the team on the floor. I thought he coached last year's team really well, but this has been a disaster this year, in my opinion. So, yeah. Do I have concerns? Yeah, I do.
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Callers
Can I, Can I mention one concern?
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Matt Jones
Of course.
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Callers
Can I mention one concern that you didn't yet. So one concern I have, actually, and I'm not a genius when it comes to human psychology or anything, but I know that a sign of a very, very high IQ person is that when they recognize a problem, they try to overcorrect the problem to fix it all up. Hope with the roster going from no athletes to nothing but athletes and no shooters. Right?
- [30:46]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
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Callers
Well, the problem, my problem with that is this is basketball. Like DeMarcus Cousins said, this ain't no spelling bee, son. This is basketball. You don't need to be a genius to be the coach. And I won. If, ironically, he's too smart to be a basketball coach.
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Matt Jones
There have been people who said that.
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Callers
Legitimate problem.
- [31:03]
Matt Jones
I don't know. I mean, I appreciate the call. I, I, I don't. I don't think people can be too smart if you also have, as they say in the mountains, common sense. And I don't know him well enough to know that I've only spoken to him a handful of times. So I, I can't say he, you know, there are very bright coaches doing really bright. I mean, like, think about Brad Stevens. I mean, there's a lot of, Most of the NBA coaches that are succeeding are really bright now. And I think, like, John Shire's really smart. He's doing well at Duke, so I think you can do it. I think Pope's personality's a lot, so I do wonder. I don't think he has connected with this team. But now I think he connected with last year's team. So I don't think it's that he can't connect with players. I think he connected with last year's. But I think it's fair to say he has not connected with this group. I think that's fairly obvious. Did you get the hat?
- [31:58]
Billy Gillespie
I got it.
- [31:59]
Matt Jones
You bought it?
- [32:00]
Billy Gillespie
I bought it.
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Matt Jones
Dropped.
- [32:01]
Billy Gillespie
You have a check and I have for it? Yeah.
- [32:03]
Matt Jones
Well, no, if you don't want it, I'll buy it from you. How much they cost?
- [32:06]
Billy Gillespie
45. All day.
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Matt Jones
All right. Do you want it? I'll buy it for. I'll give you 54.
- [32:11]
Billy Gillespie
I gotta. I gotta see it in person before I give this thing up. I mean, he's winking right at me.
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Matt Jones
Oh, gosh. Well, if you don't want it, I'll take it. You know, I'll actually give you a profit. I'll give you 64. Oh, so you could have made $15.
- [32:31]
Billy Gillespie
Kind of need that 15.
- [32:34]
Matt Jones
I mean, we're going to the Super Bowl. Think about that. That could buy you half a drink at Shaq Diesel's party.
- [32:39]
Billy Gillespie
Could it? Half a drink? Could buy me a quarter of a drink. Maybe.
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Matt Jones
859-280-2287. We'll take a break. Be right back. It's the local toy dealers. Ksr Postgate show. All right, so I just saw this strutting with Sutton shirt. By the way, there were two of them on ebay. The other one got sold, too. So you got one. Someone else listening got the other one. It's a. It's a cool hat. How much do you want? What?
- [33:07]
Billy Gillespie
The price has just gone up?
- [33:08]
Matt Jones
Actually, that's what I was gonna ask you. What would you part with it for?
- [33:13]
Billy Gillespie
Well, if there's not another one you can find on ebay. I mean, it's a collector's item.
- [33:18]
Matt Jones
Listen, first of all, don't try to. Don't try to scam me, okay? I'm. I'm offering you. You can keep it. You found it. So to your credit, like, it's yours if you want it. But when I see that he's winking the wink, the wink is epic.
- [33:37]
Billy Gillespie
Looking right at you.
- [33:38]
Matt Jones
So I'll tell you what I'm going to do. And this is also in part because you are such a loyal KSR soldier and you're up late at night. This is my final offer, though. You can take this or you can leave it. All right. Okay, banker, I will give you a crisp hundred dollar bill. But you have to decide this segment. The offer is off the table at the end of this segment, okay? But it is a firm contract. If you take it this segment, okay? This is a 60 or $55 profit for nothing.
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Billy Gillespie
Okay? Get back to me at the end of the segment. I've got some thinking to do.
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Matt Jones
All right, who's next?
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Billy Gillespie
Ray is.
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Matt Jones
Ray. Go ahead, Ray.
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Callers
Hey, Matt. How are you?
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Matt Jones
Good.
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Callers
Yeah. You said you would give us some time tonight. I don't want to take up a lot of time, but I do have a couple points on offense and defense. I think this could be somewhat constructive, but I also have something sort of in defense of the roster build, but yet the solution for it I don't think is good. So, you know, you want the. The defense of the.
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Matt Jones
Do the roster work? Do the roster.
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Callers
Okay, Okay. I think we're forgetting. We're. You know, I listen to you all quite regularly, and I think roster build has come up a lot, but we've forgotten that we had a Caden Lewis committed at point guard, and he. He dropped us and went to Villanova at the last minute.
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Matt Jones
But that's part of roster, Bill. That's part of the roster.
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Callers
Wait a minute, Wait a minute. My point is Pope got stuck with his third and fourth guy on his.
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Matt Jones
List because that's on him.
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Callers
Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. But the bigger picture. I'm gonna cut to the chase. Let me. Let me mention these names. I'll cut to the chase on this point. Keep in mind, as you hear me make these points, we have zero freshmen coming in at this point. Okay? We're not able to convince these guys to come. The negative result of my point is this guy struggles to attract these guys. Michigan has a guy named. What?
- [35:47]
Matt Jones
Yaxel.
- [35:49]
Callers
He's really good. He's a 6, 7 forward. Indiana has. Indiana has a guard that we wanted, Wilkerson and unlv. UNLV has a guard. We. We ended up with the third or fourth guard that.
- [36:02]
Matt Jones
Well, our first choice actually had a bad year, too, which was Donovan Dune. I mean, that was our first choice, and he ended up going to ucla, and he's not had a great year either, so.
- [36:13]
Callers
And we're. We're seem to be striking out with the high school kids, too. It could be a personality flaw. It could be a reputation with all these other.
- [36:21]
Matt Jones
Well, it's a lot. All right, I. I appreciate.
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Callers
Okay.
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Matt Jones
I. I'm sorry, man. You said. You just. I gave you a couple minutes. I. It could be a lot of things we've talked about the whole JMI situation we've talked about, Mark, I don't know for sure what it is. I have my thoughts, but I'm letting this recruiting class play out and we're going to see. But the reality is I am very concerned for what our roster is going to be next year. I mean, let me just go through them real quick. Jayle Lowe, he, they brought him in to be a two year player. I'd be fine with him being the point guard next year, but I'm not, you know, I don't know. I don't know if that, I don't know how that vibe went. I like him. I'm not sure. I don't know if that's going to end up being something that comes back or not. We'll see. Aberdeen is Aberdeen junior senior. I always get him confused.
- [37:19]
Billy Gillespie
I don't know.
- [37:21]
Matt Jones
I think he's a senior, but I could be wrong about that. Chandler, I think he's probably coming. He could probably come back, but I don't know is how he and Pope, I don't know.
- [37:33]
Billy Gillespie
Aberdeen's a senior.
- [37:34]
Matt Jones
Aberdeen, I think is gone. Diabate has another year. Do you want that? Garrison has another year. Do you want that? Right, yellow. What's his status going to be? I feel like Moreno's back. Jasper, all you gotta do is look at the tweets online from family members. You know that. Who knows, right? Cam Williams, he was, they brought him in thinking two years, but who knows? Quaintance has got Noah. I mean, there's a world, Billy, where there's only like two or three guys back from this team.
- [38:15]
Billy Gillespie
But would that be a bad thing?
- [38:17]
Matt Jones
Well, who are you going to get? You don't have any recruits.
- [38:20]
Billy Gillespie
That's true. They don't have a single person.
- [38:22]
Matt Jones
They don't have a single player. So you're going to go get seven more new guys in the portal. I mean, some of these dudes have to come back. Like, you got to have somebody. So like, if you made me guess, maybe like Moreno. Chandler. Hello. I I dbate things have not gone great there. So I don't know. So I, I just like next year, who knows who's going to be on the team. So like if he has a bad end of this season, next year is it and you don't even know who the roster is going to be.
- [39:02]
Billy Gillespie
Yeah. That's scary.
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Matt Jones
It is scary. Who's next?
- [39:05]
Billy Gillespie
Skyler.
- [39:05]
Matt Jones
Skyler. Go ahead, Skyler.
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Callers
Yeah, good. Good talking to you guys. I just have this visual of Billy trying to do his job. But getting distracted searching Sutton hats on ebay and on Facebook Marketplace looking for, looking for kettlebells.
- [39:24]
Matt Jones
Although he's, he should get more and like go into business with him because they're people. I think a lot of people would want one.
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Callers
Hey, I, I, I think Mark Pope has a difficult. My, my take is Mark Pope has a really challenging time motivating some of these like, I don't want to call them high dollar, but like high end talent guys. I mean, if you think about last year, all of our guys were underrated, overlooked, not believed in. And you know, Mark Pope was one of those guys in college.
- [39:58]
Matt Jones
That's right. Overlooked, true.
- [39:59]
Callers
Underrated, not believed in. And I just think it's a different mentality you have to take. I mean, I know he crushed Cal for not being a X's and O's guy, but he motivated guys. He motivated the, like the dudes. And I don't think you remember, but.
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Matt Jones
You remember, but you remember who, who Cal struggled with. Cal struggle with guys like this. Right? Cal struggled with dudes that weren't highly recruited. Remember he always the guy. So it's interesting. I think you make a really good point. Cal was always brilliant at the, the top talents, but when he had to coach the guy that was like 50th like, remember how much he fought to not play Antonio Reeves, right? Antonio Reeves would kill it under Pope. Kill it.
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Callers
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
And then, but then I look at a dude like Jaden Quaintance and Mike, he might be better under Cal. So you know, it's, you're, I think it's a good point though. He does seem to struggle with some of these talented guys.
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Callers
I wonder if that's what Quaint, his dad and everybody around Jaden is telling him. You know, it's like, hey, just, you had a good showing against St. John's let's write it to the draft. I do say, I do, I do worry because I look at the rest of the schedule. Mark Pope said something to Tom Leach. He said, you know, we're just coming off of a five game winning streak, longest in the sec. Yeah, but you're, you're beating the bottom feeders of the league in a decent, a decent Tennessee team. And, and we didn't play very well in any game but Mississippi State in the second half.
- [41:31]
Matt Jones
And we played all the teams, we played all the teams that we match up well with. See, that's what worries me. Whether these teams are good or bad. A lot of college basketball, unless you're an elite team, is about matchups and we match up well against the grinding teams. We really struggle against teams that can put up points. We got a lot of teams coming up that can put up points. Arkansas.
- [41:57]
Callers
Arkansas?
- [41:59]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [42:00]
Callers
Arkansas beat Vanderbilt 93 to 68.
- [42:03]
Matt Jones
Yeah. But Arkansas almost lost at home to LSU. I mean, you can do that game all you want, but. And I appreciate the call. I'm just saying, like, what I worry about is the matchups coming up. Because the Pope has done a pretty good job of playing well against these muck it up teams. Well, we ain't got a lot of muck it ups left. We're about to play the teams that can put up points. And with the exception of beating Florida at home last year, we haven't done great against those teams, even in the Pope era. Who's next?
- [42:39]
Billy Gillespie
Heather?
- [42:40]
Matt Jones
I'm gonna need an answer after the end of this call. Heather. Go ahead, Heather.
- [42:45]
Callers
Matt. I'm just joining the therapy group, I guess.
- [42:50]
Matt Jones
Therapy. That's right, therapy.
- [42:53]
Callers
And Billy, you better take that hundred dollar bill. Cause that's. That's a good deal right there.
- [43:00]
Matt Jones
Wait a minute. I found one I might like better, though. See, his is strutting with. Offered it, I know, but I'm just saying just to throw it out there. His is strutting with Sutton. Somebody sent me another hat that looks like it was. Well, it may be gone now. It's called the. It says, the Lord is my shepherd, Sutton is my coach.
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Callers
But was he winking at you?
- [43:24]
Matt Jones
He's winking. It's the same picture, Bill.
- [43:26]
Billy Gillespie
He's winking in that one too.
- [43:27]
Matt Jones
He's winking.
- [43:29]
Billy Gillespie
Hold on.
- [43:31]
Matt Jones
Go ahead, Heather.
- [43:34]
Callers
Well, it's just such a. A difference. Like last year, his first season, it was so exciting and it was like we was all on this high and then it feels like we've done a complete 180 this year and we are just all confused and how. How that. Now I will say mode. He does seem to like, give more effort and a little testness and getting.
- [44:10]
Matt Jones
He does, but he's also. He's also the dude that gets. That has the hardest time getting along with his teammates.
- [44:17]
Callers
Yes.
- [44:18]
Matt Jones
And that's not. But that's a problem. I mean, that's a problem. Like if you. If you have a guy that like the teammates, you know, it's kind of like that Oscar year, except Oscar was a lot better than diabate. But you know, if one guy's not get. I mean, I. I don't know that they're not grooving with him, but they sure he sure. Yells at them a lot on the court, so, you know.
- [44:39]
Callers
Yeah, but I am, like, I'm tired of starting out every game in the hoe, and this second half tonight, I. I couldn't watch it either. I just scrolled on my phone, and.
- [44:54]
Matt Jones
So I thought, by the way, that your sentence right there, just so you know, Heather, how much I love your voice. You said you were tired. Except you say what? Tarred, Tard, Tart. You said in the hole. You said hoe. Right. And scrolled. You said scroed. And I loved every single one of them.
- [45:20]
Callers
Shoot, you might need me to record some of your audiobooks.
- [45:25]
Matt Jones
Oh, you would do. You would do it. Maybe not the books, but I appreciate the call. There might be an endorsement you could do. Right. By the way, Billy has a new endorsement. He's endorsing for Bud Light. I heard.
- [45:36]
Billy Gillespie
Well, I did a spot. I don't know if I'm endorsing.
- [45:39]
Matt Jones
You become so woke. It's woke. Billy.
- [45:44]
Billy Gillespie
Somebody's got to step up and do the Bud Light spot.
- [45:46]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, I. Somebody's got to be woke on the show. Okay, so are you taking the hundred dollars or not?
- [45:52]
Billy Gillespie
Well, after review of the second hat that you found on the grassy knoll, that Sutton is not winking in this hat. If you zoom in, there is no wink in this second hat.
- [46:02]
Matt Jones
Oh. There's no wink.
- [46:03]
Billy Gillespie
So I feel like I have a collector's item here.
- [46:05]
Matt Jones
All right, do you want $100 or not?
- [46:07]
Billy Gillespie
I do not. I'm going to hold.
- [46:08]
Matt Jones
You're going to hold it?
- [46:09]
Billy Gillespie
I'm holding.
- [46:10]
Callers
Here. Wow.
- [46:13]
Matt Jones
All right. You better wear that around. You turned out a hundred dollars. By the way, we get to San Francisco, don't be asking me for money.
- [46:20]
Billy Gillespie
Oh, I might be strutting around San Fran in my strutting with Sutton hat.
- [46:24]
Matt Jones
By the way, we still don't have anywhere to stay Friday and Saturday night.
- [46:27]
Billy Gillespie
Oh, we'll find. We'll find a place.
- [46:30]
Matt Jones
If you look for the hotels, only.
- [46:31]
Billy Gillespie
The busiest weekend of the year.
- [46:33]
Matt Jones
I staying in some of those places that are. You can stay by yourself. There are parts of San Francisco I am not staying in at night. Friday, Saturday night, I think. So. See, between me and you, since this is not going on. Oh, it is on podcast.
- [46:51]
Billy Gillespie
It is on podcast. Oh, you could say what you're gonna say anyway.
- [46:54]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I can say this. There was a guy that I know who's got a lot of money, and he's a really nice guy, and he lives in San Francisco. He's got, like, A. He's got, like, a vineyard. Okay. And I was like, I'm gonna suggest we have nowhere to stay, and maybe he'll invite us to the house. He doesn't know any. He knows me, but he doesn't know any of y'.
- [47:18]
Billy Gillespie
All.
- [47:20]
Matt Jones
And I did that today. I thought it would work. He's not gonna be. He's gonna be in Dubai.
- [47:25]
Billy Gillespie
Oh, that's okay. We'll house sit for.
- [47:26]
Matt Jones
Well, see, I was gonna say I was gonna be like, you know, you need somebody to watch your place. But he did. He didn't suggest it. So I think. I think we're not gonna be able to stay there. All right. 8, 5, 9, 2. I was really trying because I know, like, this dude's got a lot of money, and I like, it'll be amazing. We can stomp on the grapes and all that. Said, well, he's not gonna let us. He's not gonna let us do that. 859-280-2287. We'll take a break. Final segments, the Local Toilet Dealers KSR Post Game Show. Welcome back. It is the Local Trade Dealers KSR Postgame Show. I don't know how many of y' all are still up with me at 1:15 in the morning. If you are, go ahead and 772-774-5254. Let me know where you're listening. I know a lot of you be listening on Podcast Smart, but if you're wake right now, go ahead and send it. I like this message. The definition of Billy Confidence is buying a strut and for Sutton hat for $45 off eBay and then turning down a hundred bucks for it. That is Billy Confidence.
- [48:27]
Billy Gillespie
That's right. Might flip it for even more.
- [48:29]
Matt Jones
You think. You think you're gonna get more for the.
- [48:32]
Billy Gillespie
Got an offer for 150.
- [48:34]
Matt Jones
No, you didn't.
- [48:35]
Billy Gillespie
From somebody online. Anonymous.
- [48:36]
Matt Jones
Yeah, but that may not be. That's not right. Real. You know, it's like when I would say to my grandfather, I'd be like, you see this baseball card right here? It'd be worth $20. It's worth $20. And I go, but the baseball card shop only will give me $10 for it. And he goes, well, then I guess it's worth $10.
- [48:53]
Billy Gillespie
Was the guy on the baseball card winking at you?
- [48:58]
Matt Jones
I can't remember a baseball card that had a guy. It is a good wink, but somebody tells it says in the picture it looks dirty. What are you going to do if it's dirty?
- [49:09]
Billy Gillespie
Well, then I'm Going to wish I.
- [49:10]
Matt Jones
Sold it for $100 exactly. All right, who's next?
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Billy Gillespie
Eddie in California.
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Matt Jones
Eddie, how are you, Eddie?
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Callers
Hey. Good evening, gentlemen. First of all, prayers to all the people in Kentucky and the south, for all the weather. My son lives out there in Lexington, so I'm constantly looking at the updates. So thank you for Putting on that $7,000, the newscasters, getting them involved and keeping everybody updated on that bill. You really, you really just piqued my interest tonight when you mentioned Stratton for Sutton. I've been a 40 year Kentucky wildcat fan. I went to high school in California, read the California with Robert Lot, and some of my first heroes were Kenny Skywalker, Rex Chapman, Cedric Jenkins. And it's just, it's just been, you know, 40 years and they've been my team. I know they're your team. And I have a question. Last year's team really got me excited again. The maturity of those seniors, the professionalism. You never heard them talking about money. It was always about Kentucky, the name on the front. Yeah, I think this year's team has a lot of, I don't want to say immature, but there's a lot of growing up to do. And having said that, how do you think the booing part, you know, how do you gentlemen feel about that affecting recruiting for the, the new kids?
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Matt Jones
Well, I mean, you know, I. Maybe. But I think the thing about the money part is that those kind of things you're talking about become less important now. I mean, that, that they matter, but they don't. I mean, I don't think you can overcome that in, because of that. But, you know, and I appreciate the call. I mean, listen, our fan base is our, is our strongest characteristic, but it could also be our, our weakest if we, if it goes too, too far. But I don't, I don't think it has. I don't think babooing in a couple games is gonna matter. One person writes. Matt, what do you think about the video that was posted earlier with the players chanting money before they walked on the court? I saw that video. I think people are overreacting because I don't think you. I'm not gonna act like what they did. They chant like tough money or something. Billy, what did they change?
- [51:49]
Billy Gillespie
I didn't see the chanting. I saw UK was like in the tunnel with the media.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But they said something like tough money or what. The thing you have to remember is unless you speak, unless you speak college kids or like Young basketball players like you don't even. Like you don't even really know what they're talking about. So I think you have to be very careful if you are middle aged white person trying to understand the slang of 18, 19, 20 year old basketball players. So don't you agree with that? Like Billy? I don't. I don't read anything into that.
- [52:27]
Billy Gillespie
I'm still hip and know the lingo.
- [52:31]
Matt Jones
Just that phrase right there says I do not.
- [52:35]
Billy Gillespie
You may have aged out of I.
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Matt Jones
Do not trust you. I mean, I just. I've learned that like when I don't think something, when it doesn't make sense, it's probably some song, I don't know. Or some tick like I just. So I'd be very careful to judge. I think it's. It's nothing. All right, four more. Who's next? Double D. Double D, by the way. See, every time I ask. Listen, I mean, let me just read you real quick. Danville, San Jose. Palm Bay, Florida. Franklin, Ohio. Muhlenberg county, west end of Louisville. Colorado, Ballard County. Just lit. Crittenden County. Just look at all this. Always makes me happy to see where people are looking. Go ahead, sir.
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Billy Gillespie
Australia.
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Callers
Double D. Yes, sir. Hey, good night. Thank you all for taking my call tonight.
- [53:19]
Matt Jones
Of course, Billy.
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Callers
Congrats on the hat. Matt, I just want to say that the. You know, got a couple callers ago, the guy was saying that Cal, he liked to coach the popular guy, but being with. Being with Hope.
- [53:45]
Billy Gillespie
I got it. I got it.
- [53:48]
Matt Jones
Sorry, Double D. Sorry, Double D, you can't just. You.
- [53:52]
Billy Gillespie
He's gone.
- [53:54]
Matt Jones
What's that gonna sound like for people at home? Are they gonna know why you dropped that?
- [53:58]
Billy Gillespie
No, no.
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Matt Jones
So they won't hear us. Will they hear his call?
- [54:03]
Billy Gillespie
They'll hear the first few seconds of it.
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Callers
Okay.
- [54:06]
Matt Jones
For people don't know. I think he lost his train. Just dropped the cuss word in the middle of the night. Why isn't it after? What? Is it after one? Can't you say anything?
- [54:17]
Billy Gillespie
I don't know that rule well enough to let that slide, honestly.
- [54:19]
Matt Jones
So I think there's a rule that like. Like after it might be two. It's either one. It's either 12. One or two. But at one of those points, you can just say whatever. That's why Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla could start talking.
- [54:35]
Billy Gillespie
Safe harbor hours are from 10pm to 6am so we.
- [54:38]
Matt Jones
You could have left it. I. But. But there's kids listening and I understand. So I do it for the kids. Sorry, Double D. You Just can't. You can't just be dropping that in the middle of the night. Who's next?
- [54:52]
Billy Gillespie
Doing great.
- [54:53]
Matt Jones
Go ahead, sir.
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Callers
Matt, I hope you're doing well. I want to give a shout out to Billy because touch money.
- [55:02]
Matt Jones
Touch money is what it says. That's what they said, touch money, but I'm sure that's a slogan. All right, go ahead. Doing great.
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Callers
All right, Sorry about that. I want to give a shout out to Billy because Billy always lets me in. I listen to y' all show every day. Today, for example, us know Shannon for 47 minutes on hold and didn't let me in. So. Thank you, Billy.
- [55:24]
Matt Jones
Well, it's not really Shannon's fault. Like, I mean, I don't call for as many calls during the day. So when you call during the day, it's all about where we are in the pace of the show. So it's not always Shannon's fault. Sometimes it might be mine, but go ahead.
- [55:38]
Callers
Okay, okay, fair enough. Well, I'm looking at my notes here. This is very serious. Okay, okay, okay. So here's my question, here's my question. Here's my question. Hear me out. So obviously tonight was very frustrating and I don't know if you remember from last week, but last week I tried to pump some sunshine after the Ole Miss, when, after, you know, five wins in a row. So let's say, let's say the rest of the season we go what, 10, 8 and the SEC, 99. I don't know, whatever it takes to get a nine seater, eight seat into the tournament. Why are we immediately, immediately refuting the idea of, you know, making some sort of run? Because I've heard throughout the show that, you know, we're not gonna be a national championship winner, which we probably won't. But like, you know, tonight was frustrating. But why are we immediately recruiting?
- [56:31]
Matt Jones
Well, I'm refusing. I mean, we're not gonna win a title. I mean, we're not. But I'm not refuting making a run. I think we are. Just when you are not, when you're not a one seat or two seat, what you are doing is putting your mercy, putting your fate at the mercy of the what, the bracket, right? So like, so, so for us, let's say we're a 10 seed or a nonseat, it's all going to be about who we happen to draw, right? And if we draw a team that we match up with, well, with, who knows, you might have a chance of pulling upset. But if you draw a team that can put 95 up, even if they're a seven seed, we might get blown out in the first round. So you don't control your own fate is what I'm saying. I remember when 2014, when the bracket came out, one of our callers, Hink, called in and said. I remember him saying when he called in, this is a great draw for us because we match up well with every team in the bracket. And he turned out to be correct. We actually did match up well with all those teams, but then there could be a world. We get somebody that we have no chance of beating because of matchups. So that's the only thing. Could you make a run? Yeah, but you're at the mercy of the bracket show as to who you get.
- [57:48]
Callers
Okay, okay, that's, that's, that's totally fair. I just wanted to, to make that point that, you know, we made, that we had a tough year that one year, and then we still made a run. So I, I understand it's unlikely this year, but let's, you know, wait. But we'll see.
- [58:03]
Matt Jones
Let's hope. I appreciate, appreciate the call. I just got the call today that I'm hosting the bracket show again. Billy up to Bristol up at espn and it's an hour longer this year, so.
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Billy Gillespie
Well, I know.
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Matt Jones
Three hours, three hours of hosting from 6 to 9 at night on Sunday. I love it. It's great. They bring all the. That's an exciting night to be at espn because all these people are in studio, right? They all go there. So everybody's in the building and it's exciting. Seth Greenberg and ignores me in the hallways.
- [58:38]
Billy Gillespie
Field Yates tells you to get up.
- [58:39]
Matt Jones
No, it's, it's how I know who these people are. Like, that's how I meet all these people is that's the one night a year I'm up there. So, you know, oh, there's, there's Tom Crean, you know, there's Ron Slay. It's always kind of fun because that's the one time I get to meet everybody. All right, two people. Who's next?
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Billy Gillespie
Matt, it's time for our Johnny Rocker. Personal injury attorney, moneymaker of the game. Injured get small town compassion with big city results when you call The Rocker at 270-321-4429. And while there were only two Kentucky players that scored more than one field goal in the game, we're giving the Johnny Rocker role player of the game to all the fans who went down to Nashville and all the fans that have been in Nashville that have witnessed UK Blown out by Alabama in the SEC Tournament last year. All the fans that were at the Gonzaga game where Kentucky lost by 35, all the fans that were at this game and watch the domination tonight, you are deserving of our Johnny Rocker, role player of the game.
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Matt Jones
How much did we lose to Alabama by last year in the tournament? In the SEC tournament? No, I mean, what's the score? Because I. Because that would mean our last three games in Nashville have been by what scores? Because we lost by 35 to Gonzaga. We lost by 25 to. Tonight to Van.
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Billy Gillespie
It was 99 to 70.
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Matt Jones
So we lost by 29. So we have lost by 89 points in our last three games in Nashville. That's crazy. We've lost about 89 points in our last three games.
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Billy Gillespie
That's hard to even.
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Matt Jones
That's terrible. All right, two more and we'll go to bed. Who's next?
- [60:14]
Billy Gillespie
Big Z.
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Matt Jones
Big Z. Go ahead.
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Callers
Hey, Matt. Hey, Billy. Appreciate you guys taking my call. A couple things. So. So when people say, you know, hey, it really doesn't matter. I don't care anymore. I'm telling you, it's 1:30 in the morning. I'm. I'm talking as low as I can so my wife doesn't wake up and uninvite me to Las Vegas on Friday. And I'm recovering from a total knee replacement. And I'm sitting here in our bathroom, not in the actual commode, but in the bathroom so my wife doesn't kill me. Matt, this matters. I'm going to tell you what it means for me. The two and a half hours before the game and the game and the after the game, that is time with my best friend and my son Ethan, that I look forward to every single game. And my fear is I don't think the opposite of love is hate. I think it's indifference, and I'm afraid of that. So tonight, Ethan says, hey, dad, will you please. Matt's got to write a second book to Mitch, please, and say, mitch, please retire and let's, you know, replace Barnhart. So I. I say that a little tongue in cheek, Matt, but, you know, I don't know Pope. I do know one other Mormon guy I know. He's the best guy I've met in my life, and I think Pope is, too. And I coach soccer through high school and the khsa. You got to motivate these kids. And he's so smart, like, you're a genius. And when you explain stuff, I'm like, oh, makes perfect sense. I don't know that he can articulate and connect with these kids. And I think that might kind of be the problem. And I just, you know, do you think that, hey, whatever happens this season is next year do or die for him? And listen, Matt, one more time before you go.
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Matt Jones
Go ahead. Say your last thing there. Yeah, go ahead.
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Callers
Well, no, I just wanted to say. And there's one other thing. I love how much you love your mother, and I love how much you love Larry. I. That makes me so happy. And, you know, for whatever people say, that you're a great man, I appreciate you. We love you, we love Billy. But I do want to give a shout out to Ethan, my son and my best friend, that we get all this time together and it matters.
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Matt Jones
And, you know, thank you for those words. And let me. Let me. Let me make a couple points. Don't go yet. Because I want. Let me make a couple points to what you said.
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Callers
Yes, sir.
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Matt Jones
First of all, yes, the opposite of, Of. Of sort of love is indifference. And I don't ever want to see indifference with this fan base. And I don't. I literally have hundreds of messages when I ask people to say where they're from. And these are people listening right now. And tomorrow at 3 o', clock, I'll look on the charts and this will be a top 15 podcast. So people care. Secondly, your point about smart and connecting is a very good one. I went to law school. There were 200 people in my class at Duke, and probably 195 of them were very smart. We did have a few idiots, but for the most part, everybody was very smart. But the amount of those people that I thought could go into a small town in Kentucky and not be just completely mocked or ignored was, like 15%. Right? And to me, that was what, like, true intelligence is both, is being able to be both. I think Mark connects with people really well in the abstract, right? Like, on press conferences, like, he seems like a great dude, but when you're with somebody every day, like, all the slogans go away, and it's just, do I. Do I jive with this person? You know? And I think it remains to be seen. I think some of the players. He does, but does he do it with the elite talents? I don't know. I'm not there, so I can't say. I think he did do it with the guys last year. It just hasn't seemed to work as well this year. And your last point is next year, do or die? Yeah, I think so. I think every coach minus something crazy deserves Three years. You know, Billy, the something crazy was all the off the court stuff. But if Billy Gillespie hadn't had the off the court stuff, sir, he'd have gotten a third year. You know, he just had all the off the court stuff. So. Yeah.
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Callers
Last thing I want to say, I want to beg you. Heather is my kind of people. If you can get her on the ESPN show to say now, coming for King of the Heel. I think we, we gotta, we gotta bring it to the mountains. The mountains are the best. And Matt, one last day. I always hope and I pray that my son loves his mother like you love your mother. Have a great night, guys.
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Matt Jones
And thank you very much, buddy.
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Callers
Thank you.
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Matt Jones
Well, I, I, I do. And, you know, I'm not gonna go into detail, but also got some, some positive news this week with Larry too, so that's good. So thank you all for all the nice comments. People have been saying, last call, who's next?
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Billy Gillespie
Love to hear that. And also the best idea that you had that we never worked out was the callers doing the draftkings disclaimers that we couldn't do. So, Heather, John short.
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Matt Jones
Oh, that's a good week. Why don't you just do that? You should get Heather to do the draft and she goes. Rock Hill Casino in Kansas.
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Billy Gillespie
I would love that.
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Matt Jones
18 in DC, Wyoming and Kentucky. All right, one more. Who's next?
- [65:29]
Billy Gillespie
Tim.
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Matt Jones
Tim. Go ahead, Tim.
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Callers
Hey, Matt. I'm glad to be the Johnny Rocker role player. That's fantastic. I was there tonight.
- [65:39]
Billy Gillespie
Congratulations.
- [65:40]
Callers
Let me tell you, I've been in Nashville twice this year. Good old money.
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Matt Jones
Oh, no, I was.
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Callers
Yeah, I sent you the picture of the five guys at the restaurant.
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Matt Jones
Yes, I got enjoyed. Yes.
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Callers
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We enjoyed that part. Next part, not so much. I'll tell you, I don't know how a coach can sit there and talk to his assistants when you're down 20 points and you give up four or five layups, a couple threes in the corner and you're not in there chewing somebody. I don't, I don't get it. I know he's nice. I know he's a. But I mean, it was awful. I mean, I, I expect to lose sometimes because you can't win them all. There's no way, you know, you just lose. But when you don't put the effort that a Kentucky basketball player should put, I mean, it's just awful. And I believe, Blue, I'm 61 years old, but a fan for as long as I've been born, I'VE seen it all. But this year this is getting bad. I mean, Nashville twice, two hour drive and get beat by 60, 60, 60 points in two games. 60. And I was there at this SEC tournament against a and M with Reed Shepard. So how about that?
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Matt Jones
That was a bad one too.
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Callers
First time I ever went to the SEC tournament for the whole tournament. I had been there for a game or two, but I went for the whole tournament and got beat and I went and got some cookies and milk and went to bed.
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Matt Jones
Thank you sir. Appreciate you Sean.
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Callers
Always man. You deserve to go to bed.
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Matt Jones
You're just Aiden, go to bed. Appreciate the call. You deserve the Johnny Rocker fan of the day. I might even give it to that guy specifically. Yeah, I like that guy. Sent us a picture pregame with his five buddies. I like that. Thank you all very much for staying up. Congrats to Billy on his strutting with Sutton hat. And hey, this ended up being more fun than I thought. I'm gonna go to bed because in eight hours I'll be up again to do this one in again in the morning. Cats lose. Yeah, hopefully it'll be better. I don't know. I don't know how much better it's going to be Saturday, but let's hope we'll see you later. It's been the local Toyota dealers KSR postgame show Save more on the brand's pros trust at Lowe's Right now get up to 35% off select major appliances and choose from our wide lineup of top brands. Plus save $100 on a little giant 22 foot mold multiposition ladder built for strength, flexibility and job site versatility. Pros these savings will only be here for a limited time. Lowe's we help you save valid through 130 while supplies last selection varies by location. See lowe's.com for more details.