KSR Postgame UK MBB vs Iowa State NCAAT 3/22/26

Summary

KSR Postgame UK MBB vs Iowa State – Podcast Summary

Date: March 22, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones, Ryan Lemond, Mario (with Billy producing)
Podcast: KSR Postgame Show (iHeartPodcasts / Sports Talk 790 WKRD-AM)
Game: Kentucky vs. Iowa State (NCAA Tournament Second Round)
Final Score: Kentucky 63 – Iowa State 82

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Episode Overview

This episode of the KSR Postgame Show aired immediately following Kentucky’s season-ending, 19-point defeat to Iowa State in the NCAA Tournament. Broadcasting from a roadside stop in Mt. Vernon, Illinois, Matt Jones, Ryan Lemond, and Mario deliver a raw, emotional breakdown of the loss and reflect on a season they consider bitterly disappointing for Kentucky basketball. They analyze both the game's details and the program's bigger-picture issues, field listener calls, and discuss the future of head coach Mark Pope and program leadership.

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Game Recap & Analysis

Strong Start, Then Collapse

• Kentucky jumped out to a 20–8 lead, looking “great” with good defensive energy and ball movement [03:10].
• Iowa State initially doubled on drives and dared UK to beat them from outside; UK made six threes early.
• After a timeout, Iowa State made a pivotal adjustment by ramping up ball pressure at the point of attack.
  • Matt: “They made a coaching adjustment. They decided to pressure the ball handler at the point of attack… The pressure just wilted Kentucky... Kentucky ended up with 20 turnovers, 12 in the first half.” [04:17]
• UK struggled with turnovers and offensive stagnation, which also affected their defense.
• Two crucial first-half sequences:
  1. Substitution disaster: Pope tried to steal minutes with backups, leading to a -9 in 1:37 with Jasper Johnson and a collapse of the lead. [06:16]
  2. Key swing late in half: From up 7, Moreno lost a rebound that led to an ISU 3. Instead of leading big at the half, UK was down one. Momentum flipped. [06:45]
• Second half: UK got blitzed, trailed by as many as 25—referred to as "embarrassing" and "non-competitive."

Lack of Depth and Roster Issues

• Team’s lack of depth exposed—"No backup point guard, Aberdeen could not come out," leading to disastrous minutes without him: “Aberdeen was -5, we were -14 without him in just four minutes.” [07:56]
• Injuries (like Quaitance) made some difference, but roster construction blamed for not having another ball-handler: “Even when whole, we lost by 25 to Alabama. Poor roster construction. Poorly coached.” [10:47]
• Matt’s attribution on OA (Away): “One of the best two-year runs as a player in Kentucky history… He had to be Batman and was a pretty good Batman.” [08:22]

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Season Reflection & Big Picture

Overarching Disappointment

• "Season as a whole was a huge disappointment… We had national championship or Final Four expectations." [09:12]
• Injuries were not a sufficient excuse—choices were made on who to bring in (Quaintance’s torn ACL).
• “We were a non-seed in the SEC Tournament, non-competitive in many games. This wasn’t just bad luck, we got our ass kicked a lot.” [14:33]

Coaching & Program Concerns

• Mark Pope’s philosophy (“Find guys who want to be here because it’s Kentucky”) questioned as outdated in modern college basketball.
  • Matt: “That’s not how you win in modern basketball. Get the best talent here—and then teach them about the place.” [12:37]
• Warnings about possible NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) donor shrinkage next year (rumors from Jack Givens, UK legend).
• “Everything… fan relations, coaching, media, NIL, has been off the tracks a little bit.” Jones calls for a “fundamental reset and evaluation of everything involved with how UK Athletics and basketball has been run the last six years.” [18:34]

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Listener Calls – Themes & Concerns

Coaching Questions & Philosophy

• Fans express doubt about Mark Pope’s fit: “Not sure he’s the guy.” [28:47]
• Callers lament lack of offensive identity, poor substitutions, and predictability. [51:51]
• “Positive” coaching style of Pope repeatedly questioned versus need for fire or discipline seen in elite coaches (Patino, Izzo, Hurley). [50:37, 51:34]
• Matt: “I don’t know if you can just be the nice-guy coach. Maybe last year with a mature group, but not this year.” [32:27]

Standards & Fanbase Expectation

• Frustration about acceptance of mediocrity; references to Indiana’s decline as a warning. “That’s how you become Indiana, you accept stuff like this.” [46:27]
• Some want Mark Pope gone now, but hosts stress financial realities, urge a third year: “Coaches need three years unless it’s a disaster.” [36:44]

Roster Construction, Basketball IQ, & Transfers

• Too few ball-handlers, not enough depth, and misallocation of minutes in key games. Substitution pattern fiascos, especially with Aberdeen off the floor, cited as turning points.
  • “When Aberdeen hit two threes early and was subbed right after, he lost momentum—never the same.” (Caller Chris) [64:40]
• Call for a balance between talent and basketball IQ:
  • “We didn’t seem to have either this year—talent or IQ.” [79:16]

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “Iowa State made a coaching adjustment… We ended up with 20 turnovers. Just not able to adjust.” – Matt [04:17]
• “If you look at the plus-minus, when Aberdeen was out, we fell apart.” – Matt [26:59]
• “The season as a whole was a huge disappointment… Poor roster construction. Poorly coached. Did not have a team that fit his philosophy.” – Matt [09:12–11:30]
• “Teach them about Kentucky. We need to get the best players, and then teach them to quote Terrence Jones about Kentucky. That’s how you win.” – Matt [12:38]
• “How do we maximize profit while bringing down cost and protecting our trademark against the copyright of that—what are we talking about?!” – Matt (on outdated thinking in UK Athletics) [77:58]
• “This was a disappointing year, and next year will define what Mark Pope is or isn’t at Kentucky.” [16:07]

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:10]–[07:00]: Game recap, ISU adjustments, substitution collapses
• [09:12]–[15:00]: Season reflection, assessment of roster/coaching, Pope’s future, NIL concerns
• [18:34]–[20:02]: Macro-level, program-wide call for reset
• [22:55]–[26:52]: Roster wishes for next year, specific player assessments (“who should return”)
• [28:47]–[34:50]: Listener calls on coaching style, program direction
• [36:44]–[41:10]: Calls debating Pope’s future, necessity of giving him Year 3, and firing rationale
• [51:00]–[53:41]: Lack of offensive identity, individual player performances
• [62:43]: Turnover swings and substitution mistakes
• [70:19]: Analytics versus coaching by feel, importance of in-game judgment
• [74:47]–end: Closing calls, comparisons to other programs, closing thanks, appreciation for fans

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Tone & Atmosphere

• The hosts are candid and at times blunt, mixing analysis with frustration and humor.
• Tone alternates between grief (over the game/season) and constructive criticism—with hope that the program can reset.
• Matt emphasizes the uniqueness and loyalty of the Kentucky fan base and ends with gratitude for fans and crew.

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Final Thoughts

• Kentucky’s season ends in disappointment after a rout by Iowa State, amplifying dissatisfaction over the program’s trajectory.
• Coaching shortcomings, roster construction, and program leadership are questioned at a fundamental level.
• There is consensus: Next year is pivotal for Mark Pope and UK Basketball’s direction.
• "The one thing that never fails is this fanbase" – a reminder of UK’s passionate support, even in rough times. [81:51]

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed It:

This episode is a frank, detailed postmortem on Kentucky basketball’s most recent season—with deep dives into tactical errors, program philosophy, and future expectations. It’s an essential listen (or read) for fans processing the loss and wondering what comes next for UK.

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Visit spinquest.com for more. Welcome everyone. It is the local Toyota dealers KSR postgame show. The Cats finish their season with a disappointing and somewhat embarrassing loss to Iowa State 8263 in St. Louis and the Cats finished the season 22 and 14 Kentucky. One of those games that will be kind of hard for the fan base to digest. 859-280-228 we are here. It's me and Ryan and Mario. We are stopped in Mount Vernon, Illinois. We actually took off right as the game ended and heading on our way back. A lot of ways to go about this game. I think what I will do is talk a minute, a couple minutes about the game and then kind of overall about the season as a whole. First of all, the game, Kentucky came out really well, started, led 20 to 8. I felt like for the first, for the first time all year, I set directly courtside. When you get kind of a different view, when you sit there, you. You can see the game in a way that I actually think is a lot more helpful in watching. And I thought Kentucky came out defensively and was great in the first half. Intense, got out on the shooters. I was very, very impressed. And offensively, early, they shared the ball. They passed to the offside, which is what Mark Pope had said they wanted to do, kind of make the skip pass across the court. And I thought they looked great. And then all of a sudden, Iowa State changed their defense. And I think this is worth noting. I talked on the pregame show today about how when I talked to Tom Crane and Seth Greenberg said this on tv, that the way Iowa State was going to play is they were going to double everything. When, When. When people made drives, try to cut off the basket and make Kentucky shoot threes. And at the start of the game, that's what they did. And then Kentucky made six threes to start the game. And after they did that, timeout was called, and Iowa State switched their defense after having a game plan that clearly the coaches had said to broadcasters, because many broadcasters said it right. They came out and completely switched their defense. They made a coaching adjustment.

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They did.

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And they decided to pressure the ball, handler at the point of attack, whoever it was, every time. And then when they did, the pressure just wilted Kentucky. The guards couldn't handle it. The bigs really couldn't handle it. And Kentucky ended up with 20 turnovers, 12 in the first half. That's an outrageous amount. I mean, we. Kentucky only won one game all year where they had more than 11 turnovers, and we had 20 in that game plan. Kentucky was just not able to adjust to. And when they switched it, when they switched from kind of daring Kentucky to shoot threes to saying, okay, beat us, beat our pressure, Kentucky was not able to do it. And offensively then every shot seemed like it was a miracle to get one off, much less make it. It was. It was. It was wilting. It was one of the best defensive performances after that adjustment. I've seen a team play against Kentucky in a long time. And then, understandably, when the offense suffers, the defense suffered on the other end. Cats were up one at halftime. I thought there were two key sequences in the game. Number one, and we've said this all year, the substitution patterns now, this was not a mass substitution because that's been an issue for a lot of the year. But this was a game where I think only three guards could play. Aberdeen way and Chandler. And when they tried, and I understand why Pope did this, when he tried to steal minutes for those guys, it just didn't work. Put in Jasper Johnson, he was minus nine in a minute and 37 seconds and it was a brutal minus nine. Moreno really struggled all game. Shot free throws well, but otherwise really struggle. Couldn't get his hands on the ball. Which would leads to the second key sequence. Up 7. Great defense on a possession. Missed shot. Diabate taps the rebound. Diabate I thought was great. Hitting the glass. Taps the rebound, taps it into Moreno's hands. Who loses? It falls down. Mom Levic or whatever his name was for Iowa State. Catches it, shoots an open corner three, cuts it to four. It could have been a seven with the ball with a minute 15. Instead it's four. We come down, rush a shot, no understanding of time and situation. They get the ball back. We come and rush another shot and give them the final shot. And they hit a three and we go from up seven to down one. And I thought that was a crucial little, little swing. And then the second half was just embarrassing. I mean, they, they at one point were down 25. It was just, it was embarrassing. Second half. So Kentucky loses. So that's the game. Ryan, thoughts on the game?

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You nailed it. Came out. Great start. And we said in the pregame show, if they're going to have to hit shots, they did. We said, colin Chandler's got to come out, hit some shots.

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And he did.

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He did. You know, offense looked great, but. But you nailed it, man. Iowa State made the adjustment. When they put that trapping defensive pressure on us. Kentucky did not handle it at all.

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And you saw the weaknesses that the team had. The two biggest weaknesses, in my opinion, maybe three. One, no depth.

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No depth.

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Now, some of that is having a couple injuries, but a big part of it is they didn't have a backup point guard. So, I mean, you could not take Aberdeen out. And when they did, you saw what happened.

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You went him in there. They pushed our offense out. It was starting nearly at half court

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line, by the way. We lost by 19 and Aberdeen was minus five, which means we were minus 14 without him. And he only set out four minutes.

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Wow.

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So think about that for a minute. I mean, think about how bad it was when he wasn't on the court. It was, it was brutal. So that was number one. Pope addressed that after the game said, well, we thought something was going to happen in our spring situation and then it fell through. I guess he's referencing a Kaden Lewis not coming here. But when a Kaden Lewis didn't come, you got to go do something. There's still plenty of time. There's guys all over the world, right?

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Yeah.

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And they didn't do it. And you saw the. And let me say salute to Aberdeen for making that like I actually think he was great in the second half of the year. And while I'm on that phase, salute to oa. Yes, one of the best two year runs as a player in Kentucky history. He was, you know, wasn't perfect, but this is a guy who probably on an ideal team is Robin to a Batman. And he had to be Batman. And he was a pretty, pretty daggone good Batman. Honestly, he was better than I thought he could be this year. And so salute to him. He had 30, what is it, how many games we play? We played 36 games this year. 36. And I think he had 33 games in double figures and 34 games in double figures. And I think something like 17 game or 19 games over 20 points.

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Wow.

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Pretty amazing season for him. Now bigger picture, the season as a whole and ultimately this, ultimately this is the most important thing. The season as a whole was a huge disappointment. I, I don't know how you can say, say that the season was anything but a disappointment. Kentucky came in, the own coach said we were a Ferrari. We had national championship or final four expectations. Yes, we had two major injuries. One was at the point guard. But they did make a voluntary choice to not have a backup. Well, he said Pope said in the post game we knew our weakness was we didn't have a backup point guard. Well, probably should have fixed that. That hurts you acquaintance. That's a loss. But you know what? I don't find that as much of an excuse as everybody else. Because you knew he had a torn ACL when you brought him, when you took him.

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Right.

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So you made the conscious decision to do that. That wasn't like he got like low was a freak accident. But quaintance, you knew he was coming off a torn ACL and you just, you decided to do it. So while I do give some sympathy for the low thing, ultimately you didn't construct this roster correctly. Even when we were at our best, I will remind you, we had three games where we had the whole team. We beat St. John's but we lost by like 25 to Alabama and lost at Home to Missouri.

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Yes, we were.

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People just bring up the. Well, if we had our whole team, we were.02 in the one game where all guys played. Right. We had one half where we looked good, the second half in St. John's for the rest of the time, we weren't good. Even with the whole team. It was poor roster construction. It just was. And I will go further. I think what we had was poorly coached. He did not have a team that fit his philosophy. And then in my opinion, Mark was not able to make it adapt. He was not able to take his players, adjust how they play and make it work. I'll give you an example. Right now, St. John's is playing. Rick has a team of dudes who can't shoot. They can't.

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Right?

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And yet he's got them on the way to potentially the Sweet 16. We'll see how the game ends. And they won the Big east because he adjusted to what he had.

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Play to your strengths, Right.

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This team actually ended up shooting okay some of the year, but we were not able to adjust. And it was a very disappointing year. I thought last year was ultimately a kind of successful year. I think this year was a disappointment, which is why I think the third year is going to be what it comes down to for Mark Pope. There are. There was a couple discouraging comments in the post. In the post game. I might have to pull this out to read it, but he said he was asked about going forward and he said we've got to find guys who want to come here because of what Kentucky is. I hate that philosophy. I. That philosophy may have been true 10 years ago, although I don't think it was maybe 20 years ago. We need to get the best players and then teach them to quote Terrence Jones about Kentucky.

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Right? Yeah.

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Then teach them about Kentucky. Get the best guys here, bring them here, and then make them fall in love with it. Because when you bring guys who this is the peak of what they want. That's nice. It makes our heart feel good. But we lose.

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Right.

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Illinois's got a team full of Serbians that probably didn't even know where Illinois was on the map when they came here. And they're in the sweet 16, right?

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Right.

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So teach them about Kentucky. I don't. I'm worried. I'm worried about the building of the off season. We'll talk more about later this week. But Eli Capilouto made a video yesterday. The. The basics of it were we got to cut expenses. We got to cut expenses. Jack Givens said On the post game. I don't know if they're going to have as much money for nil next year. That's a little concern.

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Ouch.

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Jack would know.

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Yes, he would.

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That's a little concerning. And then when you hear Mark say, well, we got to start getting people who want to be here for what Kentucky is, that sounds like it's saying we may not be able to get these guys that cost a lot of money. All of those things are things that make it hard for me to feel confidence about next year. Now we'll see. There's a big portal season. We'll see who comes back. But you have to call a spade a spade. And this was a disappointing year. And it wasn't a. We didn't reach our goals. We were 22 and 14. We lost 14 games the second round. You know, it's not a disaster, but it's also not great. But the bigger issue is that we lost 14 games. We were a non seed in the SEC tournament. We played the first game of the SEC tournament. Right. We were non competitive in many games this year. Many games. Many games. This wasn't like bad luck. We got our ass kicked in a lot of games this year. Now we do have some good wins. A positive. Two good wins over Tennessee.

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Right.

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One at Arkansas.

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Biggest win of the year.

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That was a great. Right. Won a game against Vandy at home. That was nice. Beat St. John's yes. But we also lost at home to Georgia and we lost at home to Missouri.

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Right.

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We got embarrassed at Texas A and M. We got embarrassed at Vanderbilt.

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Yep.

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We lost by 40 to Gonzaga in Nashville. We had embarrassment that we should not have at this school. And so people ask me once, how do I grade a team regular season number one A. D We were the ninth seed in the sec. D SEC tournament. C. Right. They won a couple games, but we only made it to the quarterfinals.

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Right. They still didn't make it to the

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weekend and then NCAA tournament. C. But we have a great moment we'll always remember with the away shot.

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Yeah.

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So that's nice. But overall, just a really, really disappointing season that I think sets it up where if we are objective, Mark Pope's future at Kentucky is about next season

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will be defined next.

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It will be defined by next season. There are people, I see them online who want to make a change that's not going to happen. It's also not what I think should happen. But I also don't think this baby should be behind me screaming, I don't get to choose Everything. So

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I.

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Next year will define what Mark Pope is or isn't at Kentucky.

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I agree with you. I think last year's team kind of overachieved. This year's team definitely underachieved. And this team was way too good to lose 14 games.

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Way too good.

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Way too good.

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I don't care what you think about talent. Go look at that team Iowa State put on the floor. Go look at the pedigrees of that guy, of that team where they were ranked in high school.

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Yeah.

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And then look at. Forget about low acquaintance. Look at who we put on the floor this year as well. Look at our pedigrees are nil. There's no reason for us to lose by 20 points. Points. We lost by 20 points because they ran a better defense, they ran a better offense. They were better coached, they were better connected. They had a better identity than our guys.

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Right.

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Period. End of story. If we had lost to Duke and that talent, then I might accept your argument of not yours, but an argument of, well, our guys were hurt, but we lost to a team of guys that on paper shouldn't be any better than our guys. And the one guy they had that is better was out. True.

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Didn't even play.

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We can't complain. Their best player got hurt in the last game and they found a way

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to make it work and beat us by 19. Second worst ties, second worst loss in.

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Second worst loss in the NCAA tournament ever.

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Ever.

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Could have been worse.

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Felt like it was worse.

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So it is disappointing. I know fans are disappointed. I know Mark is disappointed. I'm sure everyone is. But there needs to be a fundamental reset and evaluation of everything involved with how UK athletics and UK basketball has been run the last six years.

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Yeah.

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That starts at the top, where we're making a change. It goes down through nil gm. It goes down through media relations, fan relations, coaching. Everything, in my opinion, has been off the tracks a little bit. And it is steamrolled to get worse and worse with everyone instead of trying to figure out how to make it better. Pointing fingers at other people, if we're honest with each other behind the scenes, they all point fingers at each other. And you are shaking your heads because you know it's true.

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Yeah.

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Or they point fingers at the media or the fans or expectations. No one takes accountability and looks in the mirror and says, what? When are we gonna reset this? Now's the opportunity. Because if you don't reset it right now, in one year, we're gonna be looking for something new.

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Yep.

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They better Just the reality, they better do it. And what makes me nervous is I still hear people pointing fingers instead of looking in the mirror and going, what can I do that might be different than what I'm doing? And on a weekend when I see a president come on and go, we're gonna have to cut expenses. And now we're going to focus on how we make money as a university. Which is what he said.

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Yes.

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And I see a coach who says we need to get guys who play for the name on the front of the jersey. And I see that performance on the court. There's a part of me that goes, you know, is someone going to lead here and make a change that this basketball program can get back to the elite status where it needs to be?

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That playing for the front of the jersey, that's old school basketball. Like you said, that may have been something you could do 10 years ago. Definitely 15 years, 20 years ago. Modern basketball is not that way anymore.

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There was a lot of things, especially towards the end about California that I grew sour up. But one thing I always did believe him about was if you get the talent this, they'll fall in love with the university, right? I believe that, yes. Because this place is special. Mark loves this place. He'll get him to fall in love with the university.

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Sure he will.

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But I don't need somebody who's in love with us immediately. I need guys who can go ball, who fit your system and who won't lose by 20 to Iowa State. And I need a coach who can take his roster, adjust, motivate and not have zero answer. When a coach makes one change and the team looks completely lost.

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Zero offense looks like after that change, zero.

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Iowa State clearly came in with one game plan and we, to our credit, shot them out of that game plan.

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Correct.

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But then they changed and we did not.

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We couldn't. We couldn't punch back.

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And that's why we're sitting here today with a 20 point loss. 859-280-2287. We will take your calls. We are. We just had some Kentucky fans walk in. Nice to see the Kentucky fans.

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Their heads were down.

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I'm not waving at that family with the children, the one that's screaming back there.

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We can move closer if you want to.

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No, this is a massive restaurant and they had to sit right there.

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Want to hear your postgame show.

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Maybe so we'll take a break and be right back. It's a local Toyota Dealers KSR post game.

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Welcome back.

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It is the local Toyota Dealers KSR postgame show. I just want to go on record just to end the day. While I was doing that monologue with Ryan, Mario ate all our food.

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The good ones.

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Mario, while we were starting. The food came right before it started, and Mario ate all. There were three different kinds of wings. He took the good kind and ate them all while we were on the air. Every single one of them ate them.

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I. I think I did have one.

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Well done. Thank you for that. Way to go. 85928.

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Save you one.

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Thank you. 859. It was Grizzle. 859-280-22-287. One person writes. Matt. Okay. Is there anything that you can say that is positive to be about the off season? Yes. What I can say is the good thing about all of this is if you have a good portal season, you can fix all of these things.

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Sure.

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Right. Like, so whatever weaknesses are on your roster are fixable. Whereas 15 years ago, you might not be able to fix it. You can fix it now.

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You can quickly.

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And I think the question. I'm sure we'll do a lot of this tomorrow is, is.

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Is.

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Is who's back. I can tell you that for my purposes, I'm not gonna say there's no. There's anybody that I don't want back. I don't think that's fair to do to a kid. I mean, I know fan. There are fans that think like that. And I'm sure, like, I, in private, have my own thoughts. But. But I can tell you three people that I want to be back. I definitely want Moreno back. He's got to spend all off season working on his strength in his hands because I think that's what's keeping him from being a good player. Like he is a good player, but keeping from being a great player. He loses the ball too much and he gets it taken from him. And you saw those were men on the other side of the court. Yeah, Right. And yellow Vic and Moreno, they don't. They don't play like that. And they. And Moreno's got to get better. But if he does, I think there's a lot of potential there.

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He took a big jump, took a big leap, so maybe.

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But when the physicality came, he retreated a little bit. So I want to see him do that. Yes, I would definitely want him back. I definitely want Colin Chandler back. He needs to work on the off season. What do you. What do you do when they take your shot away from you?

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Yeah. You got to create your own shot,

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whether it's that you can't hit it or whatever. You gotta. You gotta be able to beat your man off the dribble.

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Yep.

[A]

He couldn't do that this year away in Aberdeen, could he? Really could. But the athleticism is there. That block he got is. Was like a holy. Like it'll get forgotten, but that block was one of the most athletic things I've ever seen up close.

[B]

He started, like, on the other side of the free throw lane and blocked.

[A]

That dude shot from the angle you and I were at. That was one of the most amazing plays I've ever seen.

[B]

Go Go Gadget Arms.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know how he did it.

[A]

So he's got the athleticism.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

So I want him back. And then I think I would like Cam Williams back. I think there's more there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think when he gets in a rhythm, he can really shoot and he can guard multiple positions, which I really like. Other guys. Billy, do you hear that?

[C]

Oh, yeah, I definitely heard that.

[A]

I just want.

[B]

They're just agreeing with what you were saying.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Please, youngster. Other guys, if they come back, I'm good with it, but, like, we got to get some growth.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think a lot of the year I was kind of ready for a new maybe. Maybe don't need diabate. I actually kind of would like him again. I. He started to have toughness that we didn't have, and I thought the last eight or 10 games of the year, he was really good. This year, I think that six man, aggressive, like, physical role is actually a really good role for him.

[B]

When he settled into that role, he was very productive off the bench for us.

[A]

So. So that's my feelings on the roster. And then everything else, then I. You know, we'll see. We'll see what Pope wants to do and how everything fits. You're gonna have to go get. Whether it's. Whether you think it's Jalen Lowe or you're gonna have to get a point guard.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And you probably. And at this point, I need two point guards. Even if the second one's not a star, I still need two because we can't go into these years with one and hope.

[B]

Because Denzel Aberdeen was not a point guard.

[A]

Which is why I'm so. Which is why I will think of him. Very fun.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

He was not a point guard. And in the second half of that year.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

He was a good point.

[B]

He really grew on me. I think I even said on the show one time, he's one of my least favorite players. He grew on me. He grew on a good point guard.

[A]

I go look at the plus minus for this game when he was out. We fell apart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The whole game. All right, Billy, who's up first? John is up first. John. Go ahead, John.

[C]

I think we need to, I can't

[A]

hear you, my man. Like, so put the phone up to your mouth and like, like, talk into it.

[C]

We need, we need to back, like, we cannot go back. Like, we cannot just ditch it right now. Like, everyone wants to talk. They say, they say we push Caliper out for this. We put that.

[A]

Billy, is that just going in and out or is that just him? What?

[C]

It's him.

[A]

He's. It's.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I appreciate the call. I can't. Your phone is going in and out, so I can't hear what you're saying. Go ahead. Who's next?

[C]

Don is up next.

[A]

Don. Go ahead, Don.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Hi, Matt. Thank you for taking my call. I'm 77 years old. I've been listening to UK basketball since I was a 12 or 13 year old boy on a little transistor radio. I remember Adolph Rupp, I remember Kwood Leopard very well. And I don't even know where to start. I mean, I really don't. I'm so disgusted. We shouldn't have even been playing Iowa State today. That lucky shot got us there. We shouldn't even been there. I don't even know what to say about the team, about Mark Polt. I like Mark. I'm just not sure he's the fit. I really don't know, Matt. I just, I'm so upset about the style of play. I wish we had two good guards. Guards are, Guards are what makes college teams work and we still have them.

[A]

I would disagree with you that we didn't have guards. I mean, I think our two best players were guards. I, you know, we did, we, we may not have had enough of them and we didn't necessarily have great shooters, but I, I, I think our guards, especially Away and Aberdeen, became the least of our problems. But in general, I agree with you. And your point is, like, is Pope the guy? You know, I don't know the answer to that question. Like I would have said going into this year. Yes. Now I'm kind of in the. I don't know, to be honest with you. I don't know.

[C]

I love the guy. I just, I just am not positive that he's the fit that we need, Matt. I just don't think he is. I wish, you know, I mean, other teams get Good coaches. And they. They rebuild the program, they find good players. Why can't we? I mean, we used to be creme de la creme. UK Basketball was the top. And now where are we? I don't even think we're not even in the top 30 or 40, I don't believe. And it just. It just bugs the peanuts out of me. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I appreciate the call. I mean, I think if you were to rank. Where are we right now? It all depends on what you mean. If you mean performance, were not in the top 15 of the programs in recent years, if you're talking about sort of prestige, that's a little different. I think we still are. But, you know, as far as Mark, I'm going to say I thought a lot about this between the SEC tournament and the NCAA tournament, but I really value. Ryan, people that I can think are good people, good hearts, good humans, treat each other well. I think in our current society where that happens less and less, I value it more and more. Okay. But I don't know if college sports is, like, there's value in being a good person, be kind to people. But you also got to push the envelope in college sports. Right? Like, you can't. You don't get any rewards in college sports for. For, like, best sportsmanship. You get rewards in life. But in college sports, you got to go win. Right. And in college basketball especially. Especially until we have set in stone rules that, like Congress passes, which is going to happen sometime, but it may not happen for the next couple years. You gotta push the envelope. What's my. What's the. What's the thing I say a lot? Ask for forgiveness. Excuse me? Beg for forgiveness. Don't ask for permission.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Let's start doing some stuff that will ask us to beg for forgiveness. And let's stop waiting for permission.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nobody else is.

[B]

No, they are not.

[A]

And they're winning. And maybe one of the things with the change of leadership is there'll be a change of thoughts on that. But that also means, hey, Mark Pope, go. You know, whatever it is, like, do what you. Whatever. Push the envelope. And let's stop going, well, can we do this? Do it, and then we'll deal with it on the back end. You know, Alabama played a player that was not the court. Alabama played a player that they specifically said they cannot. And you know what? They didn't. They didn't punish them.

[B]

Nope. None at all.

[A]

They're still in the term. They have the Same seed they would have had.

[B]

Yeah. Didn't matter.

[A]

So go for it.

[B]

I'm in the boat. I. I want it to work for Mark Pope.

[A]

I do, too. Everybody does.

[B]

I want it to happen for him, but I think he's got, like you said, look in the mirror, he's got to make some changes. He's got to adapt to some things in modern basketball. And to hear his comments today makes me kind of still scratch my head about where he's thinking.

[A]

I think there's a lot of different ways to relate to modern athletes. You can be like John Shire and be their friend. You can be like one of the boys, maybe, or you can be a disciplinarian still. Maybe if they respect you, like Rick Pitino or Tom Izzo. I don't know if you can be like, golly, G, guys, let's go. I don't know. Maybe you can. Last year it worked. I'm not sure that it worked this year.

[B]

Didn't work with this group.

[A]

With this group last year, I think it kind of did. So maybe it's who you get, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think, you know, maybe there

[B]

was a more mature group last year.

[A]

Maybe, but I don't think it really worked with this.

[B]

It didn't.

[A]

So who's next? Nathan. Nathan. Go ahead, Nathan.

[C]

Hey, Matt. I am 24 years old. I just wanted to call in, get my. Give my thoughts. So when Mark Pope was hired, I was really mad at my dad, his friends, everybody. Everybody that thought Mark Pope was a good hire was. I thought older. And I wanted Cal gone. So I. I will say that. So did all my friends. Maybe unique for me at my age, I thought Cal should be gone, but I had an idea that we were going to get a good hire. And when he was hired, I said, this guy's won zero tournament games. Yeah, he coached at BYU while also winning zero games in the tournament. And I was. I was upset. And I got all my dad, my dad, my dad's friends, my family that's older, that love UK got to witness him play at uk. I understood why they loved him. The press conference won everyone over. It was really cool. I loved, and it even won me over a little bit. But we're here now, and you're seeing the results when you hire a guy that is not 10 or that when you hire a guy that has won zero tournament games before he came to Kentucky, if anybody else was hired that has won zero tournament games before they came to Kentucky, this fan base would have been in shambles. And they were in shambles when we hired Mark Pope. And guess what?

[A]

I'm gonna have to cut you off. But I want to say that's a great call, and there's a lot of great points there. Again, I thought about this. Between the SEC and the NCAA tournament, I violated some of my rules of coaching to get really excited about Mark Pope. What are you. What are some rules you've heard me say over the years about coaching?

[B]

Don't hire a former player.

[A]

Don't hire a player who played there unless they've killed it a la Roy Williams somewhere else.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

The biggest mistake people make is hiring a former player. Caroline is about to fire another one.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Right. We've seen it over and over and over, and it rarely works. It might work with John Shire. We'll see. But it rarely works.

[B]

More times than not, it does.

[A]

So my rule has always been, don't do that. I. And my initial reaction was don't do that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But then I, like the caller, talk myself into the second rule. I always have for Kentucky basketball. Now, this may not be true at other schools, but for Kentucky basketball, I need you to have won somewhere, preferably in a really good school, but I need you to have won big somewhere. Mark hadn't. Okay, he won some, but he never won a tournament game. He won some at Utah Valley State. But if you. If he didn't play here, that wasn't the resume.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So now I still hope it works.

[B]

I do, too.

[A]

I still think it can. But maybe the lesson is, don't violate your rules just because you want it to work.

[B]

What. What can you say to all the people, like, on my timeline that want him gone now?

[A]

Well, what I would say is I think coaches need three years to see if it's. Unless it's just a disaster. You need three years, and he needs a third year. The other thing is, it's not going to happen.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you can say it and be angry, or you can just say, well, okay, it's not going to happen. So what do we do for next year? If I was in charge, I would not fire Marp. First of all, we owe people too much money as it is. We owe Mark stoops $35 million. We now owe Mitch Barnhart money.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We're gonna be paying money out the wazoo. You know, it's not gonna happen, and I wouldn't do it. But I will say, for me, next year will be determined.

[B]

We talked about, you know, Mark stories article. His Legacy starts on March 1st. Well, we've had step one, step two. We're getting ready to go to step three about the roster for next season.

[A]

Step one was a. Nah. Yeah, wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great. This next month is the month. It is how they build this roster.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What they do is the ad. They're about to restructure things in athletics in a way that I don't think people realize and how that works. I think it's going to be crucial. We will come back July 1, August 1, and it will be a different thing. And what that looks like, we'll see who's next.

[C]

Stub.

[A]

Stub. Go ahead, Stub.

[C]

Man. I don't understand how you can watch a film of Iowa State and not understand that Moreno, Yellow Bitch, Chandler are going to get their lunch taken from them.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, it's one thing. It's one thing to have a misconstructed roster. It's a. It's another thing to totally mismanage that roster. Like today should have been from the get go. It should have been away. Aberdeen will bate Garrison and then a couple of guys off the bench. That's it.

[A]

I kind of agree with you. I mean, I think you had to play Chandler because you have to have that threat, but I would just alter it and say it's Aberdeen. O way Chandler, Diabate, Garrison, Yellow Bitch and Moreno spot minutes. That's what I. That Williams. Williams a six man. Yeah, but you're right. I. I was shocked how little Garrison played in important moments because even though, like, this is his kind of game. Right.

[C]

I also, I mean, Chandler was no threat with this matchup. Like, he was totally outmatched, so he was not a threat. The threes they made early in the game are fool's gold. And, and I called at the halftime. I said I was basically going to win by 17 and they won by 19, but. And we just need to throw Tyrone Stokes whatever money he wants. But at the end of the day, he'll probably come and he'll get like an impacted tooth or something and he'll be injured all the year.

[A]

Won't play well. That's a danger. I appreciate the call. I mean, that's the danger of getting him. You know, you look at these great freshmen, they've gone a couple different paths. Cameron Boozer may take his team to have a shot at the national title. Darius Acuff has done good stuff at Arkansas. Kingston Flemings has been really good at Houston. The kid at Illinois has been really good. Caleb Wilson was good before he got hurt. And then you have. And DJ Demons was good. Then you have Darren Peterson on again, off again. Mikhail Brown at Louisville, on again, off again. So there is a risk when you get one of those guys.

[B]

There is. And I think we're all just a little gun shy about what happened with Quatons this year. Paid him a lot of money, didn't even get to play.

[A]

But that's our own fault. I mean, I was for him doing it. But if they genuinely were building around the team, around Quiteon's playing, that's on them.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

I always considered Quaint a bonus. If they really thought he was going to be like their best player, then that's on them. You just, you're taking a guy who just. He just tore his acl.

[B]

Last season they were telling us, you remember, like August, September, you know, he's on the court now. He's running up and down the floor. Blit leading us to believe he was going to play. That's why I wonder if he re injured it when those three games he played in.

[A]

I think that's the most likely scenario is that something happened. There's no. There's no way he doesn't play the rest of the year.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Unless he maybe reentered it. Who's next?

[C]

Luke.

[A]

Luke. Go ahead, Luke.

[C]

Hey, guys. I. I know Pope's not gonna get fired because frankly, we don't have the sack to do it. Or maybe the money as well. That's part of it. But I was going to make the case for why you should. It's pretty simple. One, you shouldn't hired him in the first place. And when you have a massive reach higher, why would you have a long leash with that guy? I mean, why. Why would you do that? Doesn't make any sense. Number two, he's seven feet tall. There are no seven foot tall coaches in the hall of Fame. John Thompson, at 6:10, is the tallest. And it takes a Hall of Fame coach for it to work here. It does. We're very close to a Hall of Fame coach at the very least.

[A]

And you think it's because of that? You think it's because of height? You think it's because of height?

[C]

Yes. Yes. I'm serious. I think height plays a serious factor in being a good basketball coach.

[A]

Okay, how many disagree with him?

[C]

Right.

[A]

Well, there's not. Well, first of all, there's not a lot of seven foot people in the world. So, like, your sample size is. Is pretty small. I mean, John Thompson was a really good coach, but there's I mean, how many? Seven. They're not a lot of seven footers in the world, period.

[C]

And none of them have been hall of Fame coaches. None of them. You wouldn't think that there would be one that would be a Hall of Famer. Okay. That's what I'm saying.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And not to mention, here's another thing go look at. I encourage everybody to go do this. Go to basketball reference.com and pull up Mark Coaches Pope, Mark Pope's coaching record and tell me if that's the guy that should be leading Kentucky. If you come away with a yes, then you're looking at a different page than I am because the guy has lost double digit games almost every single season of his coaching career. The two seasons he didn't, one of them was the COVID shortened season, which they would have had a conference tournament and an NCAA tournament where he would have lost two games. That was his first year at byu. And his second year at BYU was another year that they didn't win that they didn't lose double digit games. And that's when they were in the West Coast Conference. They weren't even in the Big 12. This guy has no business being a coach in Lexington. I think we got to get rid of them and if we don't, we're just wasting the year.

[A]

Appreciate the call. So that's the case on the other side.

[B]

I mean, and there's people like that. A lot of our fan base is on that side. They just don't think he's the right guy to handle this job.

[A]

Well, I don't have confidence he's the right guy. Let me be clear. I want, I think everybody wants him to be right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, it's a no win. I mean, it's a no win situation.

[B]

This whole season, going back from how he handled whatever happened at the Louisville game to talking with the media, to substitution patterns, the whole season has just been odd.

[A]

I would just counsel people go watch videos of him talking to the media last year versus talking to the media this year. Yeah, just. Just watch how deep different he is. And I don't know why. Like, I don't know. I don't think it has anything to do with the media. It's just. That's the only time we hear him talk. Really go. Just the difference between how he talks to Tom Leech after games last year versus this year, he just. It's just different. And, and so we're not the only ones thinking it. I mean, you can see it if you go look at the just the difference. Who's next? Michael. Go ahead, Michael.

[C]

Hey, I think your grades are very generous and I think your comments about, oh, it's risky to get. I think it speaks to a drop in standard here. You know, your grades are acceptable from 2020 on, but the reality is this has been a complete embarrassment since 2020, and this is an F season for Kentucky. It is ridiculous to lose. Like we lost today. Of all the bad stats of Pope's time here, two blowout losses in the NCAA tournament last year. We were non competitive against Tennessee, and we were non competitive this year. And people glossed over that non competitive loss last year. But that was embarrassing, and it was embarrassing today. And I understand that, you know, you guys can't just sit here and be like, it's an ass and this is miserable. But the reality is, is that it is.

[A]

Let me just say about the grades for me, like, for me, just so you know, and this maybe because I'm a dork. Like, I think a D is unacceptable, and I think at Kentucky a D is really unacceptable, acceptable. I think an F is like, like the COVID year to me is an F. But I still think you don't. I mean, you get a coach that gives you consistent Cs, then you got to replace them at Kentucky. This is a place that needs A's. Right? So. So don't get me wrong. We. It may just be the difference in the way you and I look at grades, but I'm. I don't think that, like, I'm not saying like a C or a C minus is because, like, that's good. If a coach at Kentucky continues to get Cs, then you go get a new coach.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. And I liked what Drew said all year. I mean, that's how, you know, I don't think we're Indiana, but that's how you become Indiana is you drop.

[A]

That is true. No, that is true.

[C]

And you accept stuff like this. And that's why, you know, I just want to know from your perspective, because this is where I'm at. We talk about year three. To me, we have to be a contender in year three or we have to move on from here. Him. Because we cannot continue this run since 2020 of this performance. So if we are not a contender next year, do you think Kentucky should move on from him or keep him?

[A]

Yeah, I. That's a. That's a good question. I think so. Let me put it like this. I think we need to be a team next year. That is the equip like, I'm watching St. John's in Kansas. That's a four and a five seed that to some extent haven't quite been like they wanted. But both of those teams could make a final Four. They both have the makeup of a team. Like Duke's not going to play either one of these teams in the next round.

[B]

True.

[A]

Right. We got at least be that.

[B]

We're a long way from that. It feels like.

[A]

I agree, but we gotta at least be that. Okay. I don't know if we can be Duke or Michigan or Arizona next year, but we gotta at least be that. We gotta at least be what I'm sitting here and watching right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if we're not, then. Yeah, I think you have to move on. 859-280-2287. We'll take a break. Be right back. It's a local Toyota dealers KSR Postgame Show. Welcome back. It is local toy dealers KSR Postgame Show. Looks like my tweet has kind of gone viral that I was talking about that I came close to talking trash to a referee on press row. So I decided it was my time to leave the building. I think Kentucky fans understand what I mean about that. The other fan bases don't really get the history. Like, you know, I mean, it's kind of a cheeky reference to the. To the referee a decade ago. And then it's also that I leave the building during games. It's not like I was leaving, but I did. Ryan knows I was about to talk trash to that guy. Like, I was very close to doing it. And then I was like, I'm sitting on press row. I will certainly get in trouble if I talk trash to this room. But I was close. I wanted to.

[B]

We were so close. You could have reached out and tapped him on the shoulder. Excuse me, sir.

[A]

But it was after he called like five fouls in four minutes.

[B]

You leaned over to me, goes like, nobody's calling anything but that guy.

[A]

He called every foul. And I was like, I, I, Billy. I felt myself like wanting to make fun of, like, how he wore his pants and stuff. And then I was like, all right, I just need to go outside.

[B]

You did make a good joke about his pants to me.

[A]

His pants. I just, you know, I.

[B]

Somebody looked it up. We were like five and two in games he had refereed for us.

[A]

I mean, listen, we didn't lose because the ref, that was just. I, I mean, I just, I probably needed to leave anyway because, like, I was getting nervous. But where I was like legitimately thinking, should I say something to this referee? Then I was like, you know what, I just need to go outside.

[B]

You made it through the whole first half, Made it to the first TV timeout of the second half. That's when things started, the whole game.

[A]

But I could just feel it, I could feel it slipping away from it. Honestly, I, you, when we were up 20 to 8, I looked at you and said, we're up 20 day, but we can't, can't keep playing like this. It just, I, I, I could tell that we, not that we were lucky, but that we were. The moment they changed defenses, I knew we were in trouble.

[B]

Well, the end of the first half, we had that seven point lead with a minute and a half to go, and things are falling apart. They're down two, couple seconds left. You said they're hit a three, go up by one at halftime, and it's exactly what happened.

[A]

You could feel it, you know, you can just feel what's going to happen.

[B]

They hit that three when the locker room up one and you can feel it.

[A]

And we are. Our time and clock was so bad during that period. Like you, you want, you have to go into halftime leading and they did everything possible to not lead. I do think the most important play of the game was Moreno dropping that rebound and the guy hit the corner because I think if he keeps that and then we run all 30 seconds, we're going into halftime with at least a six or seven point lead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And instead we went down one. Who's next?

[C]

Aaron.

[A]

Aaron. Go ahead, Aaron.

[C]

Hey, Matt, thanks for taking the call. I just want to say Pope doesn't have the demeanor or the attitude to coach at Kentucky, in my opinion. I'm watching the game today. Hotselberger screaming at his team, screaming his head off. Meanwhile, we're down 13 and I see Martin Pope clapping his hands. Let's go. Seen it all season. It's just that attitude. He's the guy to coach us.

[A]

Yeah, you know, I've said that. You're right. That is what he does. He thinks that sort of positive motivation works and I think that can work. Again, I bring up John Shire, like he doesn't scream at people, you know, he just kind of talks to them. It works. So I think there's many different ways to do it. But does Mark's form of it work? Cyrus, to your point, and I'm not sure if it does, I don't think you have to scream. I think there are guys there that scream and succeed and there are guys that aren't. I mean, Kelvin Sampson isn't really a screamer.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I do think, though, for whatever reason, sir, it's not working right now.

[C]

All right. Thanks to my call, man.

[A]

Appreciate the call now. But like Dan Hurley and Todd golden and Tom Izzo and Rick Tino, they scream and it's working. So, you know, I think everybody's got different ways of doing it.

[B]

There are valid criticisms. I think you can have a Coach Pope. My biggest concern is just there was no offensive identity at all whatsoever. Like, all season long. I don't know. I still don't know what kind of offensive team we were supposed to be. They never had go beat your guy Otega. That was like our only offense.

[A]

I mean, imagine if OA and Aberdeen, like. Yeah, I mean, there. The only. The only identity was OA, take your guy.

[B]

That was it.

[A]

Aberdeen, try to dribble and find somebody. Yeah, seriously, like, that was. There really wasn't a lot of identity.

[B]

And when we were sitting, man, you got to see Iowa State, what they were doing offensively. And they moved the ball so much.

[A]

Even at the beginning when we were playing really good defense, they still moved the ball so well. They. We played well on them, but they moved the ball great. Who's next? On that note, let's give our Johnny Rocker, personal injury attorney, moneymaker of the game, Matt injured. Get small town compassion with big city results when you call The Rocker at 270-321-4429. And while it was away on Friday, today's is Denzel Aberdeen. He led the team with 20 points. He was 4 of 9 from 3 and 4 or 5 from the free throw line. In 37 minutes, he was minus 5.

[C]

And he is our Johnny Rocker, personal

[A]

injury attorney, moneymaker of the game, Ryan Lemon's favorite player. Let me read that. I want to read that stat again. Played 37 minutes in a game, we lost by 19 and he was minus 5, which means the 3 minutes he was out was minus 14.

[B]

Ouch.

[A]

If you don't think that kid, like, everybody's gonna love away. And I hope people have a good spot in their heart for Aberdeen.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because for 37 minutes he was on the court and we were minus five and for three he was off and we were minus 14.

[B]

That's. That's not coincidence.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

And I'll say this. You know, I think Billy said he was four of nine or threes. He took two at the shot clock buzzer because he had to. We couldn't get a shot Off.

[A]

That's right. Who's next?

[C]

Dc.

[A]

Dc. What's up, dc?

[C]

Hey, Matt. I think we could have played that game 10 out of 10 times, and we lost every time.

[A]

I think you're right.

[C]

Their best player was hurt, and we started the game great, and we still ended up losing it. Chandler turns into a ghost too often. And did you see Tyler or Tyrese Halliburton's tweet about.

[A]

I did, yeah.

[C]

He wants to talk stuff to old UK players, but they're Arkansas fans now. Thank you.

[A]

Yeah, I saw that. And look, you know that video that happened with Shea and. And Case and Wallace is why he says that. And of course, Alberton played them in the championship series last year, which is probably where that comes from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As well.

[B]

Halliburton played at Iowa State.

[A]

Deal you make with the Devil with Cal is you will have success, but it is about him. And so we see the counter to that. And it'll be that way about Arkansas. Like, those guys that play at Arkansas will be loyal to him. It won't be because they're loyal to Arkansas.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

That's just what you get. And I appreciate the call. And, you know, is it worth it? Yeah, it's worth it because you had a lot of success with it. But the counter to that is you get situations where when he leave, he said, well, when he leave. When he leave. When he left, you get people going. I'm big in Arkansas. I don't think. By the way, though, I don't think that's many, and I don't even really blame Casey Wallace. They just got. They came up to him, and I

[B]

think it's very small number of guys actually feel that way. Do you ever kind of lean towards.

[A]

I don't think there's anybody that played here that in seven years is going to be rooting for Arkansas.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

Not one.

[B]

When Cal leaves, they're not going to be Arkansas now.

[A]

Will they come back here? Maybe a couple guys won't, but there will be guys that come here.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And. And a lot of times the guys that feel that way are dudes that didn't have success here.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Shea had success here. But, you know, Case Wallace unfortunately was on a disappointing team. I don't blame him.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But, like, he didn't get to experience. And that was a tumultuous year in terms of what the internal dynamics of that team were like. That was. That was. That was an odd year. And so, you know, you had half the team that was Oscar, half the team that was Severe Casen was kind of in the middle. He really wasn't on either side of it. It was just a weird year.

[B]

I feel like this year was just as weird. It just kind of felt weird. Now, Now I told. We can talk about it. The whole season just felt odd.

[A]

It did. Although I think that got better. I think the team was a lot more connected at the end than they were.

[B]

I think they were.

[A]

I think when you had were like mid season, the team was all over the place.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And I do think they kind of came together at the end. So I, I think some of that weirdness went away as the season went on. Who's next? Michael. Michael. Go ahead, Michael.

[C]

Hey, Matt, thank you. Taking my call.

[A]

Glad to.

[C]

I ain't the most educated. I ain't the most educated guy in the world, but when Pope made that substitution in the first half, I've been watching him all year. Am I the only one that thinks that the team just don't. I mean they fall apart. I mean they. When he put Johnson in there and he turned the ball over, I think back to back possessions. I mean, I don't, I don't mean to bash a kid, but I mean he could barely draw, he could barely dribble the ball up the court and he fell over and it just. When he made that mass substitution, I think Iowa State went on a 9 or 110 run and I think that's when we lost the game right there.

[A]

Well, there's no doubt that sequence, that sequence, that minute and a half was a bad sequence. I appreciate the call. I'm not gonna say that's when we lost the game because we didn't play a lot in the second half. The game was essentially tied. You had a chance to still. But there's no doubt that that sequence where they took Aberdeen out and they put Jasper in, we had six or

[B]

seven empty possessions in a row.

[A]

I mean it was a nine point swing in a minute and 30 seconds. Quick. That was quick. You take that nine point swing and then you take the 8, 0 run in the last minute and a half of the first half, that 17 points which was the difference in the game.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

Those two swings. Yeah, you know, that's big. It's big. We should have gone into half up eight or ten.

[B]

Yeah, I felt like we had that

[A]

and we were down one.

[B]

Just somehow slipped away.

[A]

And how in the world did they just turn that Kansas game off?

[B]

Flipped over to Florida, Iowa.

[A]

Flipped over to Florida, Iowa. We're in Illinois, right?

[B]

We're in Illinois.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Well, okay.

[B]

Mount Vernon, Illinois.

[A]

Let's take a break. 859280, 2287. We will come back for the final segment of the 2025, 2026 season. This is the local toy dealers KSR post game show. Welcome back. It is the local toy dealers KSR postgame show. St. John's up seven with four minutes to go. You rooting for Rick and the Johnny's?

[B]

I actually am. I don't know why, but I have found myself rooting for him.

[A]

I'm definitely.

[B]

Ever since we beat him.

[A]

Why would they say that was out on, on St. John's anyway? Yes, I am. I am, too. I kind of want him to win. That's. I don't know if that. Boy, if you told me that a few years ago, I would have never imagined. I'm not going to read them on the air just for. I'm just not going to do it, but. Oscar Combs choosing violence online.

[B]

What? Oscar Combs.

[A]

Oscar Combs. He's probably the strongest shots I've ever seen Oscar Combs taken about UK athletics.

[B]

It's not a fake. Oscar calm.

[A]

This is a real Oscar Combs. So I'll let you all you can look up on Twitter.

[B]

I need to look it up.

[A]

It includes the sentence they're fleecing Kentuckians from Paducah to Virgie.

[B]

Why's he got throw Virgie under the bus?

[A]

No, he's saying Virgie's being fleeced. Okay, well, because he they don't like the folks. Really. It should be from Fulton to Virgie because Pikeville to Paducah leaves out the little tip of both states.

[B]

It does, yes.

[A]

So it should be Fulton to Virgie.

[B]

Fulton, the Virgie.

[A]

He makes sure to put Virgie in there, but he's choosing violence. Bill, you reading this? I'm surprised to see that, but. Oh, I'm reading it, too. I'll let you read it. Oscar Combs. Well, there you go. Who's next? Wes. Wes. Go ahead, Wes.

[C]

Hey, Matt. First time, long time. First off, I want to say a is a tough, disappointing loss for us. And Mark Pope, he's AKA momentum killer. Can you please enlighten me, Matt, on Mark Pope substitution patterns? I mean, they've kind of plagued us all year, but, you know, not playing mo there at the first half. I just don't understand where Mark's head is with the substitution patterns because it's killed.

[A]

I didn't understand understand either. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I I don't have an explanation because I, I, I, I think his substitution patterns early in the year were just hideous. And then today was, for me, a matter of timing. So, so I, I, I'm just pulling up the box score here to see minutes played. So yellow Vic played 14 minutes, Moreno played 18, Garrison played 22. And D. I don't know how you look at this matchup and you see how physical Iowa State is and you say Mo Diabatte needs to play 18 minutes. To me, this is a game mode. 33 minutes. Absolutely right. I mean, he had one foul, so he wasn't in foul trouble. My man was 2 for 3 from the field and he only got three rebounds. But I can think of three or four plays myself where he tipped the rebound to somebody that got it. I don't know what world you play Diabate. 18 minutes in yellow, bitch. 14 against this team. Now, there are other games where maybe you don't play Diabate as much. A team that's, you know, shoots threes and, but, but in this game in Garrison, you know, Garrison has his ups and downs. But if there's a Garrison game, this is the game, right? This is the, this is the game I watched when we were sitting up close. Garrison can switch on perimeter defenders. Probably as good as any of the bigs we have, right?

[B]

Well, I think so. Probably the best.

[A]

Probably the best. So to me, those two guys should play a lot. And then, you know, I mean, the 90 run in the first half is the 90 run. You cannot take Aberdeen. Here's the thing. If you think that people have fatigue issues, how much rest is aberdeen getting in? 40. 37 minutes versus 40. If you're gonna play him 37, then just play him 40. Especially if in those three minutes we're gonna be minus 14. Yeah, just playing 40. Okay. Like, how much rest did he really get? I know what happened. We lost 14 points while he said how much more tired could he possibly have been. So I appreciate the call. Aberdeen today was you just could not take him out.

[B]

But they still did with their guards that they had. Aberdeen was the only guy that could kind of handle that pressure they were putting on him.

[A]

Yeah, even o way tries to dribble through pressure. He does, which he will lose the ball when he does that.

[B]

Colin tried the same thing.

[A]

Aberdeen's the only guy that for whatever reason, seems to have the presence of mind to jump and pass and like those other guys. Oh, he tries to fight through it. Diabate tries to dribble through it. Garrison just Hands him the ball, yellow bitch gets it taken from him. Like Aberdeen's the one guy who can handle.

[B]

And they were putting on all kind of pressure on him. They got to him a little bit, but at least he's the one guy to handle it the best.

[A]

Yeah. Now, three point game here. Kansas coming back. Who's next? Chris. Chris, go ahead, Chris.

[C]

Yeah. Hey, this is Chris. Hey, Matt. I'm making this call in honor of coach Larry Sturgill from Boone's Camp Kentucky and paints for. He's retired now. But you made the point about the substitution pattern by Coach Pope and Coach Sturgill and I have talked about this. When Aberdeen hit two threes early in that game and was on fire, and when Pope substituted him out, he totally took the momentum away from that team. Aberdeen came back in the game three minutes later and missed his next three shots. The point that Coach Sturgill and I have seen and what he has made is when he lost those players, he still had the players to have an excellent team this year. He should have gone to a triangle and put Elevich at the foul line and put two big men at the baseline down on the post, and then he could play, you know, the rest of his players. But he could have crafted an offense that would have been. I mean, my goodness. Garrison and Moreno can score the ball in the. In the paint, and he's running those two centers out there. 60. This was the key.

[A]

Yeah. In my opinion, we got spoiled last year with Amari.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

In that we think all these bigs can handle the ball at the top of the key. And I know Pope's got system. He needs guys that do that. He wants them. But this ain't the group of guys. I mean. No, no, it ain't was. Amari was the guy. And I appreciate the call. And I was skeptical of that. And then I got convinced as year went on. Amari's special at this, but the Garrison and the. And like, that's not. That's not them. That Garrison turnover at the top of the key, like that, that system, it feels like to me Pope was trying to force these guys into a system that they did not have the talent for.

[B]

It would work. Once in a while, they would hit a backdoor pass or something's a pretty

[A]

good passer, so he could throw like a back door pass or a bounce pass, but in general, general, in general, it's just not what he's good at. And I, you know, I mean, I'm not an offensive genius, but.

[B]

And today they were pushing I would

[A]

have kept Aberdeen in. I'm enough to do that today.

[B]

They were pushing our big guys so far out of almost like the half court. They were just initiate the offense out way out there.

[A]

I just cannot get over that. It was minus 14 in the three minutes he was out.

[B]

That's almost unbelievable.

[A]

Unbelievable stat.

[B]

It's like just giving them layups.

[A]

Who's who? St. John's now a one point game. Who's next? Rooney.

[C]

Rooney.

[A]

Go ahead, Rooney.

[C]

Hey, Matt, not overly disappointed about the loss tonight because I like probably should have lost the first game. We got beat tonight, probably won the next game. But my question is if we next year have the exact same season as we did this year, do you think Pope's gone? And I know you probably want to answer this, but how do you feel about Jay Lucas? That's all I got.

[A]

That's a great question. If we had the exact same season next year, I, I think they'd probably make a change, but I don't know that that's certain. I think it would depend on who the new athletic director is, what their philosophy is. I think if Mitch Barnhart were the coach, then they probably wouldn't or AD, but he won't be the AD, so I don't know what they're gonna hire.

[B]

Yeah. 14 losses and a first round or a second round exit Nancy in the NCAA tournament may not be acceptable next year.

[A]

Yeah. Bryce Hopkins just hit a big three.

[B]

That was Bryce Hopkins that hit that three.

[A]

Bryce Hopkins, wow. By the way, lots of former cats still in it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bryce Hopkins, Cameron Fletcher, DJ Wagner just

[B]

played last night for Ugo.

[A]

Is playing right though. Yeah.

[B]

Jordan Burks was playing for South Florida or Central Florida.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Kansas got the ball, down two with the chance to tie or take the lead. And they're not. They're going to play it out. 8, 5, 9. No, they're going to talk about 8, 5, 9, 2, 8, 0, 22, 87. Who's next? We'll do four more.

[C]

Cathead.

[A]

Cathead. Go ahead, Cathead.

[C]

Hey, guys. How's it going, man? This is old Cathead sitting up here in Georgetown. Look, this might sound like a rinse and repeat, but I, I agree with everybody else. Like the substitution pattern, all this stuff. Like, you know, we're up 10, you take Aberdeen out and you put JJ in. Like he, he, he is he just weak with the ball, you know, And I hate to talk about these kids because they are kids, but they make money now, right? I mean, they make money. So, you know, we should Be able to, you know, say, what's. What's wrong, you know, and then, you know, you touched on Tino and St. John's yeah, we're. I think I am. I'm rooting for them. I hated him when he went to Louisville, but I swear to God, he's. He's probably the best coach, and he's. He's probably the best coach in college basketball. I mean, honestly. But we need somebody of that stature. I know. I know. He will never come back. We will never get him come back. But, you know, he always talks about Camelot because this is. This is basketball, this BBN place, man, everybody talks about. Even on CBS Day, they were talking about all. They have the greatest fans. Big Blue Nation, this and that. Everybody knows it. Right? Yeah, but. But we're. We're just putting that. We're putting out a subpar theme, some part, you know, and then the analytics. I know, I know Pope is big on analytics. You know, play this guy so many minutes. Play this guy so many minutes. But look, sometimes you got to coach with your eyes.

[A]

I don't disagree with you about that. I. I don't disagree with you about that. The way I look at analytics is like this. I think they're a hugely useful tool. But just think about life. You can make all the best decisions in the world, and you can read all the books, and you can, like, you know, you can do all the study, and I enjoy doing. But sometimes the difference between success and not success is just how you relate to another person. Right. Do they like you or not? And sometimes all the numbers.

[C]

Go ahead, Go ahead, go ahead. Matt, I'm sorry.

[A]

I was gonna say all the numbers in the world can tell you to do this or that, but I'm not a basketball genius. And I sat on that court, and the moment Aberdeen looked, went out, I looked at Ryan and goes, oh, you know, so there should be a part where people just kind of go, I don't know if this is gonna work.

[C]

Yes. Me and. Me and my buddy were sitting here, and as soon as that happened, I'm like, oh, this. This is. And then Jasper, you know, he gets the ball just taken from him. Like, he falls down. You know, here's the ball, whatever.

[B]

Apparently, that dude's like, third.

[A]

My whole life.

[C]

I played sports my whole life. And I, like you said, I'm not a genius or whatever, but you have to coach with your eye sometimes. Like you said, garrison, why don't we go big sometimes? Once you put Garrison and Moreno in there, I mean, I love Moreno. I watched him come up through middle school, high school. I mean, he's a great player. He needs a little more meat on his bones, but, you know, he's a great player. But why don't you go big sometimes? Because you know, Garrison right now, this, this game was Garrison game.

[A]

I appreciate the call. I agree with you. This was a Garrison diabate game. It was to me, games tied now.

[B]

And the abate was fighting his butt off.

[A]

And I watched the abate on the bench. When he was on the bench, he was sitting there, his leg was tapping like he was like, give me back in. Like you could just see it. Like his leg was just sitting there tapping, going like, get me back in, give me back in, give me back in. And. And then of course they did. So he did.

[B]

He played his butt off one time. He's in there, fought, fought down the post. Garrison, I think, also did a good job. He only needed score a lot of points, but he didn't have to, you know.

[A]

Let me give you an example of a coach doing something really interesting. Good. Kansas is tied. They only had two team fouls. 13 seconds left. They are sitting there and slowly having St. John's bring up the court and then foul. And self told. I watched him tell the Kansas player fouling before he crosses half court. So then they have to inbound it, go in the full length of the court and now they're doing it again before he goes across half court. So now once again, they're going to have to inbound it before half court. That is. It's a little thing.

[B]

It ran off like 8.

[A]

Self just ran off 10 seconds. And by fouling them before they crossed half court. Every time, St. John's never got to cross half court. And look how far away they are now with 3.9 seconds left and St. John's is driving and the guy hits a layup at the buzzer. So you know what? It didn't matter.

[B]

Wow. Rick Patino.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Ricky P. With the layup at the buzzer, all that good coaching. And you know what? It didn't matter. That little dude beat his man.

[B]

He didn't call it. Timeout.

[A]

That was hilarious. Here I am praising him because I do think that was smart play. And then that little kid just takes. Who, who even made that shot? Who was that?

[B]

Their little point guard. Their little, little white point guard. Yeah.

[A]

Wow, look at that. Well, there's another buzzer beater. Look at Ricky, look at it. Look.

[B]

He's like, yeah, I knew it.

[A]

Unbelievable. Three more. Who's next. Dwayne. Dwayne. Go ahead, Dwayne. How did he, how did they get to the rim right there?

[C]

Coach Patino and how did they.

[A]

Hang on just a second, sir. How in the world did they let him get to the rim? All right, go ahead.

[C]

He just went to the rack. I just, I'm just watching it right now. He just took her to the rack and laid it straight in.

[A]

Unbelievable. All right, go ahead.

[C]

Yeah, I'm rooting for Patino the rest of the rest of the tournament. I hope they. Hope they make a run. As in Freddie Maggiort would say an after action review. We didn't play very good this game. And when you like you say it's about Jimmy's and Joes. And when you took out our Jimmy's and our Joes can't play. You see what happened. We had 10 point. We had a 10 point lead go to nothing quick. We're going to have to have more players if we're going to have substitution patterns like this. And the last thing I got to say is everybody says the last game was the otega away game. The only thing I'm going to say it was the Billy flu game. Have a good night.

[A]

Appreciate the call. I don't get that.

[B]

The Billy, our Billy flu game.

[A]

Flu game. Billy Flugen. He did go through the flu. Well done, Billy. You feeling better? I am, I am.

[C]

Thank you guys.

[B]

You sound a lot better.

[A]

You sound a lot better. I can't believe they just let him get to that.

[B]

Can't either.

[A]

Duke St. John's in Washington D.C. friday night.

[B]

Oh my goodness.

[A]

That's going to be great.

[B]

Right, let's go.

[A]

Although we're going to see a lot of Lightner shot.

[B]

We will.

[A]

A lot of Lightner shot.

[B]

Can.

[A]

I cannot believe Kansas just let that dude get to the rim.

[B]

Like I said, I hope we see a lot of the boozer brother commercials though. That would. I really enjoy the those Boozer brothers.

[A]

Get a bunch of them. Two more. Who's next?

[C]

Steve.

[A]

Steve. Go ahead, Steve.

[C]

First time, long time.

[A]

Hua. What's up?

[C]

What's up? Hey, why don't we reach out to Pat Riley to get a GM in here that he knows is young and upand coming and can fix a lot of these problems. So in two years, whether Mark Po coach or whoever is coach that we're ready to rope.

[A]

Well, I mean I, I don't think it has to be Pat Riley. Like I, I want you to go. I mean he went here during this off week. I want you to go read. Let me. Let me give you. Let me. I want you to go read. And I hate to say this because it's Duke. I want you to go read about how Duke runs their athletic department. Now. Just take. Just. There was an article. I don't remember what public. I think it was in New York Times. They have a woman running their athletic department who came from the world of business. She just went from business to running the athletic department. And then they hired this. So it's two women. They hired this woman from Nike to come be the Nile person. Right. Two women, neither of which had a background in basketball. Okay. They were just smart people, and they have created the infrastructure that every team in the country is now copying. And they just went and got two smart minds who were innovative, not stuck in their ways, and they did it. There's no reason we can't do something like that. There's no reason. They went and they were innovative. They didn't sit there and go, well, what's the way we do this? Let's keep it. Let's keep it in the family. Let's. Let's find someone who was groomed under rad. They just went out and said. Said, who are the two smart people that we can find? And they got them. It reminds me of. I've told this story before, but we decided we needed a new CEO of KSR many years ago. And I hired Maria, who was answering the phone with us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I said, I want you to be our CEO. And she goes, well, what do you do? And I said, I don't really know. You're going to kind of figure it out. But I know you're smart, and I can tell you got your stuff together. And I'm gonna give you this, and you're gonna figure it out because you're smart. Fast forward. She's an executive now at. On 3.

[B]

Put her on the fast track.

[A]

And how'd she get the job? She was answering the phone, and I was like, but she's smart. I know she is. She'll figure it out. Right? There is somebody out there that we can give this stuff to, and we shouldn't give it to them because they happen to be in the room and they're like, hey, how you doing, buddy? Like. Like, it needs to be somebody who's an innovative thinker on all this. This. And then I think a lot of the problems take care of themselves.

[B]

The big question is, if that's the way modern basketball is, why are we so slow to adapt to it?

[A]

I Don't know. I thought Mark, what I'm describing, I kind of thought Mark was that I did too. But I think he's kind of stuck in his ways, oddly, for a relatively young man. So I don't know.

[B]

History has shown these other schools, these

[A]

other schools have adapted.

[B]

Right.

[A]

If you right now, go look at, go look at how Duke runs their athletic department. Florida, go look at what Tommy Lloyd's doing in Arizona. Go look at what Dusty May is doing at Michigan. All four of them took the modern system and said, how do we make this work? And we're still, still sitting there going, how do we make maximize profit while bringing down cost and protecting our trademark against the copyright of that, like, what are you talking about? Go in. Who's next? Last one, Chris. Chris. Go ahead, Chris. Hey, Matt.

[C]

Hey, guys. One thing that I want to talk about is obviously, you know, you want to get as much talent as you can, but I think one of the glaring things this season is basketball iq. Right. As smart as Mark Pope is, he was going to be a surgeon. As smart as he is with the analytics. How can you be an evaluator of players to build your roster when and you can't see that basketball IQ is not part of their game and you let the talent that you thought you evaluated circumvent that. So I think there's a sweet spot between talent and basketball iq.

[A]

Like, but we are very talented. Like, like I, I, I feel like sometimes this year we didn't have great basketball iq, but we also weren't talented. Like, I, like I agree with you. You need a balance. But we didn't seem at times to have either.

[C]

And the crazy thing is, is I think last year's team was less talented but had a better basketball iq.

[B]

No doubt.

[C]

And that's why we had better results.

[A]

Last year's team was a team that whatever their ability was, they each maximized their ability. You saw Kobe Braya be the best version of Kobe Bray and Amari Williams and Andrew Carr and Jackson Robinson and Lamont Butler, like all those guys. And away played like, to the best of what they were.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Sometimes this year, I have to be honest, if you said to me, who played to the best of their ability this year? Away. Aberdeen.

[B]

Is there anybody else?

[A]

Maybe half the year Diabate and maybe a half the year Chandler, but really just away. And I think that's kind of a problem. Yep, 100%. I just, I just hope that they

[C]

think about basketball IQ in a maybe a little bit different lens than what they did in the previous year in the transfer portal. I think it goes a long way.

[A]

I agree and I appreciate the call. We went long today but there was a lot to talk about. So.

[B]

Of the year last postgame show of the year.

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