NFL Cover Zero: Broncos Comeback, Eagles Offense, Colts Impress, and Cowboys Cruise!

Summary

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NFL Cover Zero: Broncos Comeback, Eagles Offense, Colts Impress, and Cowboys Cruise!

KSR with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin | October 20, 2025 | iHeartPodcasts & Sports Talk 790 (WKRD-AM)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the wildest and most memorable moments from NFL Week 7. Hosts Matt Jones and Drew Franklin recap dramatic comebacks, offensive surges, and teams with statement wins. They blend sharp analysis with humor, personal stories, and lively banter, addressing everything from controversial coaching decisions to unusual crowd signs and even the fate of a fan podcast.

Listeners get both an in-depth breakdown of key games and offbeat snippets that highlight why NFL Sundays never disappoint.

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Key Discussion Points & Game Recaps

1. Broncos vs. Giants – A Legendary 4th Quarter Comeback

Broncos 33, Giants 32

• Recap: Denver storms back from 19-0 in the fourth, scoring 33 in the quarter; 46 total 4th-quarter points.
• Hosts’ Reaction:
  • Matt Jones: “If you were trying to show someone who had never watched the NFL, why is the NFL great? Wouldn’t you just show the fourth quarter of that game today?” (06:41)
  • Both hosts revel in the chaos: wild turnovers, improbable field goals, and the unpredictability of young QBs Bo Nix & Jackson Dart.
• Critical Moments:
  • Drew observes it was the 7th most improbable comeback per Next Gen Stats (06:59).
  • Giants kicker’s two missed PATs. Cameras linger on him post-game: “It felt like Sarah McLachlan should be singing in the background.” – Matt (14:49)
  • Matt hates “Scatterboo-mania” (Giants’ RB): “Everyone likes him too much... I just want to say I’m anti Scatter Boo.” (12:02)
• Notable Quote:
  • “You throw an oblong object, it bounces off one guy, the other guy catches it. He acts like it was supposed to happen, and then everybody celebrates.” – Matt (10:19)

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2. Eagles Offense Erupts; Vikings Fall Short

Eagles 28, Vikings 22

• Jalen Hurts and Receivers Shine:
  • Devonta Smith (183 yards) and A.J. Brown (121 yards, 2 TDs) lead a passing attack resurgence.
  • Jalen Hurts: “Uncovered his swag again.” (17:24)
• Tush Push Debates & Defensive Creativity:
  • Vikings attempt to stop the Eagles’ signature play by having a defender lie down at the line.
  • Matt jokes: “Lay you down and softly whisper that they weren’t going to get the tush push.” (19:07)
• Officiating & Catch Rule Confusion:
  • Questionable overturn on a T.J. Hockenson TD.
  • Matt: “Do you feel after all these years, you know what a catch is?” (20:09)
• Carson Wentz Side Story:
  • Engagement at “the Castle in Versailles, Kentucky”, leading to stories about local traditions. (21:20–22:06)

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3. Packers Over Cardinals – Micah Parsons Breakout Game

Packers win; Micah Parsons dominates

• Micah Parsons Records 3 Sacks:
  • “It was definitively when you knew when he was on the field.” – Matt (24:29)
• Travel Delays: Packers sit on tarmac for five hours, leading to host tangents about flight anxieties. (25:32)
• Cardinals QB Jacoby Brissett plays well but is outdueled.

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4. Rams Dominate Jaguars in London; Cultural Oddities

Rams 35, Jaguars 7

• Game Uncompetitive Early, Stafford shines.
• Crowd Sings Random Songs: Fans, bored, sing Bruno Mars & Robbie Williams. Matt launches into an extended and bizarre discussion on Robbie Williams’ CGI monkey biopic. (29:10–29:48)
• Travis Hunter Shoutout: Despite loss, flashes elite two-way play.

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5. Chiefs Embarrass Raiders; Offense Returns to Form

Chiefs 31, Raiders 0

• Rashee Rice Returns, instant impact.
• Patrick Mahomes Mic’d Up:
  • On failed hard count: “I hate this. Never bleeping works.” – Captured by field mics (33:04)
  • Tony Romo’s fanboy energy amuses Matt; Chiefs execute “toying” plays.
• Stat Highlight: Chiefs had 30 first downs; Raiders ran only 30 plays. (32:24)
• Rookie Ashton Jeanty is a “wasted talent” on a bad team.
• Running Gag: “If you’re not a good team, you shouldn’t be allowed to have good running backs.” – Matt (34:14)

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6. Browns Bury the Dolphins in Cleveland Gale

Browns 31, Dolphins 6

• Dylan Gabriel leads Browns to breakout offensive output during brutal wind conditions.
• Dolphins Coach Mike McDaniel on the hot seat:
  • “Will Mike McDaniel still be the coach?” – Matt (37:28)
  • Drew: “This has to be the nail in the coffin.” (37:40)
• Tua benched; possibly done in Miami.

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7. Patriots Defeat Titans – Brable’s Return

Patriots 31, Titans 13

• Drake Maye’s Star Emerges; Cam Ward Struggles:
  • Maye: 21/23 at one point, “superstar status?” – Matt (39:40)
  • Cam Ward “couldn’t tie his shoes”, Drew laments never-ending Titans QB woes.
• Nashville crowd honors ex-coach Mike Vrabel (not the organization).
• QB Carousel in Tennessee: Malik Willis, Will Levis, Cam Ward; hosts question if blame lies elsewhere.

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8. Bears Win Again, Saints Falter

Bears 26, Saints 14

• Caleb Williams Ascendant: Bears 4–2 with 4 straight wins.
• **Drew concedes: “I’m believing...” (42:47)
• Saints: “Sneaky good, bad team.”
  • Chris Olave a bright spot; team’s worst start since 1999.

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9. Panthers vs. Jets – Above .500 and “The Meow Mix Curse”

Panthers win

• Hosts mock technical issues: Sound “like AM radio in rural West Virginia.” (44:22)
• Meow Mix Panthers Podcast Disappears:
  • Matt: “Where is Meow Mix? Are they being held hostage?” (45:09)
  • “Panthers are 3–0 since they quit... they just have to stay hidden.” – Drew
• Andy Dalton vs. Tyrod Taylor QB matchup (2025 vibes).
• Justin Fields Benching:
  • “Maybe today was one of the last hurrahs for Justin Fields, period.” – Matt (47:16)

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10. Colts Stun Chargers – Statement Win

Colts 38, Chargers 24

• Daniel Jones silences critics: “It’s not a fluke anymore.” – Matt (50:13)
• “The Colts are for real and I think the Chargers can still get back to playing better.” – Drew (51:49)
• Offensive Line Woes for Chargers—you can’t save Justin Herbert without protection.
• Funny Side Note: Chargers fan holds a sign reading only “FUN,” triggering a story about wrestling crowd signs. (52:16–54:21)

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11. Cowboys Cruise Over Commanders/Raiders – Offensive Juggernaut

Cowboys 42, Commanders/Raiders 22

• Dak, Pickens, CeeDee Lamb, Brandon Aubrey are “an impossible group to defend.”
• Aubrey sets more 60+ yard FG records; hosts debate if new ball handling rules are making kicks too easy.
  • “If they don’t change something, we’re going to be kicking 70 yarders regularly.” – Matt (57:27)
• Dallas Stadium’s “sun glare problem” comes up again.
• Washington’s Jaden Daniels’ injury could derail their season.

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12. 49ers Win Ugly on SNF; McCaffrey Carries Load

49ers 20, Falcons 10

• Christian McCaffrey: 30 touches, does it all with a depleted roster.
• Matt lauds San Francisco’s resilience despite never-ending injuries.

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13. Quick Hits & NFL News

• Doug Martin Passes Away: Shoutout from Billy. (62:22)
• Brandon Graham of Eagles retires (maybe); discussion about aging NFL players.
• Jets/Bengals: Aaron Rodgers vs. Joe Flacco:
  • Flacco “the inspiration for above-average dudes everywhere.” – Matt (62:52–63:59)
  • Jamar Chase called “the most fun player to watch as a receiver.” (64:35)
• Monday Night Football Lookahead:
  • Bucs vs. Lions (“game of the week” feel);
  • Texans at Seahawks gets teased by Matt for being a late-night drag.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matt on NFL RedZone Naps:
  “The 5:15 Sunday red zone nap is undefeated for me. I usually wake up at halftime of the second game, but I have not seen the second quarter of a 4 o'clock game yet this year.” (03:39)
• Drew on Jackson Dart’s Eye Black:
  “He's more looking like a fifth member of KISS than the actual reason where you're supposed to put it right under your eyelids.” (11:47)
• Matt on Kicker’s Isolation:
  “Kicking is such a solitary, terrible lifestyle. Nobody was even trying to act like it was okay…It was almost like a comic anger moment.” (15:22)
• Matt on Fun Signs at Games:
  “I had to hold up [a wrestling fan’s] stupid sign, which was glitter. And all it said was Invasion.” (52:16)
• On Patrick Mahomes: “He does it. You hear him over the broadcast. Curse. Did they have a microphone on Mahomes?” (33:04)
• Drew on Meow Mix podcast quitting:
  “They’re doing what they have to do. They’re taking one for the team. If they come back and then the Panthers lose, the fan base will kill them.” (45:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Broncos-Giants breakdown: 05:59–16:32
• Eagles-Vikings, Tush Push, Catch Rule: 16:48–22:06
• Micah Parsons Packers Game: 24:29–26:49
• Chiefs-Raiders, Mahomes Mic/Worthy Return: 30:53–34:24
• Browns-Dolphins, Dolphins Hot Seat: 36:46–38:49
• Patriots-Titans, Drake Maye & Brable’s Return: 39:08–41:47
• Bears-Saints, Caleb Williams Hope: 42:43–44:00
• Panthers-Jets, Meow Mix Saga: 45:01–46:20
• Colts-Chargers, Chargers O-Line/’Fun’ Sign: 49:52–54:21
• Cowboys Dominance, Aubrey Kick Debate: 55:19–59:41
• 49ers Win, McCaffrey Heavy Lifting: 61:07–61:25
• News, Flacco-Rodgers, Week Ahead: 62:22–65:29

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Listener Takeaways

• The NFL remains the most unpredictable sports league—no lead is safe.
• Young, swashbuckling QBs and moments of chaos make for appointment viewing.
• The “tush push” remains a tactical arms race.
• Analytics can’t solve personal quirks, kicker isolation, or why someone would bring a sign that says only “FUN.”
• Coaching hot seats, quarterback churn, and the fate of fan podcasts (!) are all up for grabs week-to-week.
• Offbeat humor, odd facts (Robbie Williams as a CGI monkey?), and sincere football knowledge make KSR’s NFL recap a unique listen.

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Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. All right, it's another episode of NFL Cover Zero. We are week seven Matt Jones and Drew Franklin had some technical difficulties at the NFL Studios Lexington branch. So we all went back home and you're getting to see us in our houses. My sound isn't as good because I don't have the modern technology of these other guys, but nevertheless, we're ready to go. Drew, I wouldn't say the most exciting week of football ever, but maybe a little bit more exciting than last week. Did you enjoy today's action?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. I mean, any day I get to watch the NFL, I enjoyed it. Had a nice day on the couch where I literally just watched about every snap that I could dabbled in red zone. But then I watched all of my Tennessee Titans. Couldn't miss that one. So a big day for me of being a. Being a couch.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know if this is like this for you. For me, the problem with red zone is I hit. There's a red zone nap that occurs that I simply cannot stop. 5:15pm Eastern, I'm going to fall asleep. Generally speaking, it's going to be with the Cardinals are going to be on my screen. That's going to be my last memory, which means there's going to be visions of Kyler Murray or today Jacoby Brissette dancing in my head as I fall asleep. But the 5:15 Sunday red zone nap is undefeated for me. I usually wake up at halftime of the second game, but I have not seen the second quarter of a 4 o' clock game yet this year in the NFL.

[Drew Franklin]

Are you able to doze off though, when it's kind of picking up the pace a little bit, or is it just the second quarter.

[Matt Jones]

Locked in for the one o' clock games through the witching hour and I'm locked in for the beginning of the, of the four o' clock games. But when we get in the second quarter, the Chargers are going to be playing on one of the screens. They said the Cardinals are going to be playing on one of them. I know that's going to happen and I'm going to drift to sleep and then I'll wake up, it'll be halftime. Hanson's going to be telling me how, you know, you should have seen what happened in the Panthers game earlier today and like, and then I kind of get back ready for the end.

[Drew Franklin]

It is a good time to take a little break before we get to the night game. I made a nice soup during the second quarter. You made a tacos today? Yeah. I could still see the game had it on in the background.

[Matt Jones]

What kind of soup did we make?

[Drew Franklin]

It's An Italian minestrone soup. I saw the recipe on TikTok. I'm very excited. I haven't eaten it yet. It was for like, for lunches. So I'm looking forward to it.

[Matt Jones]

So you. Did you. When you say make a soup, did you mix everything together? Did you?

[Drew Franklin]

Yes. Yeah. I think I made three different meals today while watching football. I couldn't do all couch. The back starts to hurt if I don't get up. Move around just a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

For people who don't listen to our Kentucky show, I made a goal this year of learning how to cook. Not been successful. I think that's fair to say really not successful at all. I think I might actually know less about cooking now than I did nine months ago. So that's going to now be a 2026 resolution. We're just going to fast forward it to another year.

[Drew Franklin]

Been a busy year. But you haven't given up on it yet.

[Matt Jones]

I haven't given up. I mean, it's not looking good, but I haven't given up on it yet. Well, let's go. We're going to go through these games. I think you got to start with the game in. Denver Broncos beat the Giants 33 to 32 and absolutely unbelievable, 46 points were scored in the fourth quarter this game, 46 points. The Giants were up 19 to nothing to start the fourth quarter. The Broncos score 33 points in the fourth quarter. Giants score 13. Normally that's probably enough to win in the fourth quarter. I could sit here and go back and forth, but I would say if you were trying to show someone who had never watched the NFL, why is the NFL great? Wouldn't you just show the fourth quarter of that game today?

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah. I mean, sure, it had a 46 points or whatever, but it just had everything. You had turnovers, big field goals, guys making plays, sad kickers. That, that was hard to watch. Get to that in just a second. But I saw the, you know, we're big on the next gen stats. We always have a big next gen stat. They said that fourth quarter was the most improbable comeback or the seventh most improbable comeback since they've been doing next gen stats. That's how wild it was.

[Matt Jones]

You know, when it was 19, nothing. Then it was 19 to 8. When they made it 26 to 8, I really genuinely, I remember they showed Sean Payton on the sideline. It was 26 to 8 and there were like nine minutes to go. And I thought, Sean thinks he has a chance. How naive is that dude, like, look at him over there acting like they're still in this game. I was mocking Sean Payton for like looking like this game wasn't over. And then he ends up having the last laugh. I think part of what made it great is Bo Nix and Jackson Dart. Neither one of them, they're both young enough and reckless enough that you believe at any moment something great or horrific could happen. And I think that actually is part of what makes it so interesting because in that fourth quarter they made some amazing plays and then they made some really stupid plays. And I think actually having those two kind of swashbuckling young chaps actually helped quite a bit.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, you can't deny they both have a little bit of swagger, you know, Dart had the full extension for the touchdown. It looked like it would have been a game winner. But shortly before that, he has the horrible interception. He's still doing like crossfield throws you shouldn't be doing, but pulling them off. But it made for an entertaining game. I was. I'm kind of a closet or a closet Sean Payton hater. Did you see when he got the 15 yard penalty there at the end and how that for running out on the field, I wanted them to lose just so he would have to see sit there and eat it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I actually think that pass interference on that play was a little sketchy. I'm not sure if it was. I understand why he was upset. I did like the debate of was the penalty on the two and they get it on the one or was the penalty on the four and they get it on the two? It sounded like the announcers were kind of fighting with each other about it. Brian Day ball is like running out, Sean Payton's running out. You rarely see, though, the coach arguing so much, he gets a flag. That's like something you see in the NBA with technicals. You don't see that a lot in the NFL and in such a key moment. But they ended up winning the game and so it didn't matter. A couple of things that stood out to me. First of all, Jackson Dart threw one of the worst interceptions of all time. I mean, he almost came back and it didn't matter. But that interception he threw, I mean, basically, as long as he doesn't throw an interception, they probably win that game. But by throwing an interception, they get the ball in the 20, they're able to score quickly. If they punt there, I think they probably run out the clock and are not able to win the game could not have had a worse Sequence there by Jackson Dart, who otherwise played very well.

[Drew Franklin]

It was a horrible interception. It wasn't like a guy made a play or batted ball. I don't know what the hell he's looking at. I mean, he just threw it directly to the linebacker.

[Matt Jones]

Linebacker was fat. Like, it feels like you'd seen. Just for sheer width on the side. I feel like you would have seen.

[Drew Franklin]

Him directly in front of him, too.

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[Drew Franklin]

Horrible look for him. But as you said, it's kind of what you're going to get when you've got a gunslinger that just took over the reins.

[Matt Jones]

You also had two touchdowns scored off deflected passes. I that and both of them deflected passes where it deflects and the guy catches it in stride and keeps running like that is. Again, if you just want to see the absurdity of football. You throw an oblong object, it bounces off one guy, the other guy catches it. He acts like it was supposed to happen, and then everybody celebrates. I also need to ask a question about Jackson Dark, you know, eye black that people wear under their eyes. Start with this question. What is it supposed to do? What's it? What? What is the.

[Drew Franklin]

It captures the race. The race.

[Matt Jones]

People say that, but I don't. I tend to think that's nonsense.

[Drew Franklin]

The light hits this and stays here and keeps it out of your eyes.

[Matt Jones]

Do you believe that?

[Drew Franklin]

Not really.

[Matt Jones]

I don't believe it.

[Drew Franklin]

It's more like war paint.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I don't believe it does anything. First of all, I've never played a sport where I felt like things were bouncing off my cheek and going into my eye, and it was not. And it was somehow. That was a distraction. But all right, fine. You have eye pain. Whatever. Jackson Dart, though, he only has it on one cheek. This is why I'm a little skeptical of him. Does he only want to keep the sun out of one eye? He's fine with the other eye being. I don't understand Jackson darts. I paint. And as soon as I saw that, I thought the Broncos would win.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, the I paint is kind of becoming. Seems like cosplay for some of them. Almost like a wrestler, like they're putting that on. You might have a guy looking like Sting here before long, but Jackson Dart, he's more looking like a fifth member of KISS than the actual reason where you're supposed to put it right under your eyelids.

[Matt Jones]

Billy, your guy Scatter Boo scored a touchdown for the Giants. He's becoming like a folk hero to people. Can I be the one person that's anti Scatter Boo. It feels like everyone loves Scatterboo. Can I be Khan Scatterboo? No reason. Just hater mentality. Everyone likes him too much and I just want to say I'm anti Scatter Boo. He's done nothing to me but I've decided Drew anti Scatter Boo.

[Drew Franklin]

I love him and he's good. He's real good. He had probably close to 100 total yards today but I mean he's just one of those guys will just run through anyone just lower in his head and he is barreling three. Knocked over the defensive lineman a couple weeks ago. Had a couple more plays like that today. He's just so fun to watch. An old school football player.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so that brings me to the moment that most stood out to me. Of course the Giants score. They go up two with 27 seconds left and the guy misses the extra point. Now they. I believe the Giants signed the. The coup kid from there was on Atlanta. Right? Was. I think. I think he is on their squad now I could be wrong about that but let's just go with it and if in case I think he's on their squad, he's on the practice squad they end up not bringing him up. What is the kicker's name who missed two extra points?

[Drew Franklin]

You're right about coup Graham Gano is has been their kicker but he's hurt. But they have three kickers. Yeah. Jude McIntamny I believe Jude McIntyre not.

[Matt Jones]

Going to be on the team anymore tomorrow is his name. So he misses. He's apparently a former Rutgers kicker. I saw in the post game that he said his dream was to play in Giants or was to play for the Giants and hit a game winning kick which is a wonderful dream for a guy that goes with two Rutgers to have. But then what happens when you don't hit the game winning kick? You actually miss two chip shots and you lose because of that. Did you. And the cameras were not given the guy any mercy. They showed him 25 times in the last 30 seconds. Did you think it was a little much?

[Drew Franklin]

I did. And it's not just that they kept showing him which the camera. The camera people are already vicious when they do this but it's almost like they staged a sad area for him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, no one came and talked to.

[Drew Franklin]

Him but there's like this long bench but he was sitting on the very end like hanging on. No one was near him. I think they dimmed the lights around him a little bit and then just had the 4K shot on him. I felt terrible for him. I mean, you got to make your extra points, but the tight shot of zooming in over and over, it was actually breaking my heart a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

It felt like, honestly, the way it was staged, it felt like Sarah McLachlan should be singing in the background in the arms of an angel. It was like those old commercials that she would have about pets that were being neglected. It was really sad. And the other thing was, kicking is such a solitary, terrible lifestyle. Nobody was even trying to act like it was okay. I mean, you could see on the people's faces, they were like, get him out of here. We hate him. Jackson Dart, I think put him in a locker after the game was over.

[Drew Franklin]

Over.

[Matt Jones]

I felt really bad for him. I don't. Kickers look right now. They're literally on the highlights. They're showing him. One guy taps his head and then just walks off. Not a good day for him.

[Drew Franklin]

So I was wondering this as I'm watching him. I'm on my 20th minute of watching him sitting there sad because they keep showing him. And I wondered if. If he just literally walked out and didn't go to the locker room because he knows he's fired.

[Matt Jones]

It's like, I'm just gone. He'll be like before this podcast gets up.

[Drew Franklin]

And, I mean, if he literally just fired himself, like, didn't go back to the locker room and walked out to the parking lot in his pads and got an Uber and stayed in Denver.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I would. Like, how would that work? And you also miss kicks in Denver, where apparently, like, anyone could kick at 75 yards. He misses them both, and of course, they end up winning the game. Brian Dabel, I don't know if you saw when the kick was made. He throws his hat on the ground like he was. It was almost like a comic anger moment. He throws his hat on down, throws his headset. That's. That may be the game that we. We look back and say, that's why Brian Dayball gets fired. Because if they win that and they're three and four with some momentum, it might have been different. Now, two and five, probably not happening for.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I was thinking Giants are going to go blow out a very good Denver team through three quarters there, and that Day ball is going to be fine. They're building something. And now two extra points could go the other way. Some coaches, you'll see him comfort the kicker. You know, sorry, pal, we'll get him next time. Now not Dave.

[Matt Jones]

He's like, kid, find a job. We'll See what's next. The Eagles beat the Vikings 28 22. Jalen Hurts had, you know, people had said, where's the Eagles offense founded today? Devonte Smith, 183 receiving yards. That's a crazy amount. And then A.J. brown, who's of course been topic of a lot of conversations, 121 yards, two touchdowns. The quote after the game, Jalen Hurts said after looking around, he, quote, uncovered his swag again. I'm not sure what that means, but maybe it means the Eagles are back on track.

[Drew Franklin]

He can call it swag. I think it's more. They just opened the offense a little better. Got you mentioned Smith's big game, but A.J. brown got two touchdowns. He even had a moment. He yelled something after his touchdown or the mic caught him like, see what happens when you throw me the ball? So instead of just kind of running up the gut, with Saquon and Tush pushing their way through the season, I think they're finally realizing, let her throw it around a little bit. He had a perfect passer rating today, and they flipped the switch.

[Matt Jones]

He played great. And for people who want to make the case, we often talk on my ESPN show about how the top four quarterbacks in the league are generally settled. And then the question is always, who's fifth? Because once you get past Mahomes, Allen Burrow, and Lamar, who's fifth? Jalen Hurts made the case for. For fifth today. You mentioned the Tush push. Let's talk about the biggest takeaway of the game to me, which is the Vikings tried to figure out the Tush push. It reminds me of in hockey when people would say, well, why don't you just get a goalie that's really fast? Like, that's always the. For people who don't watch hockey, I like the idea of, okay, we want to stop the Tush push. Let's just have someone lay down. Did you. Did you like that?

[Drew Franklin]

Did it Drew a false start. But even Jason Kelsey, I saw, he came out and he kind of explained why they would try it and said, you know, that makes sense. They're trying to get low to the point of contact, just, you know, block up every space they can. But I wondered how you go up to that guy, like, hey, man, you're a great player. We love you, but we literally just need you to. To lay here.

[Matt Jones]

Just lay down. Just sacrifice yourself.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, just, you know, I don't know if there's more of an injury potential there for him, but that's. That's quite the ask to just Lay you down at the line of scrimmage there and have your teammates huddle over you.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he did a little Conway Tweety. Lay you down and softly whisper that they weren't going to get the tush push. I like the creativity. I mean, you know, for people who think the tush push shouldn't be illegal, I think it probably should. But for those that think you don't, you go, okay, well, it inspires this. This creativity. They got the FAU start, which got him out of the way. So I actually thought it was pretty good. Did you think the T.J. hawkinson touchdown, do you think it should have been overturned on review? He was very, very, very upset after the game.

[Drew Franklin]

I liked the call at first, and then I saw how mad he was, and I'm terrified of, you know, his rage, so I'm going to side with him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I. I kind of thought it probably was a fumble or probably wasn't a catch incomplete, but I don't think I'm surprised they overruled it because the call in the field, I didn't think it was definitive. I never understand the whole, if it's not definitive, we change it.

[Drew Franklin]

I lean that it was the right one. Bets it was very close.

[Matt Jones]

Do you feel after all these years, you know what a catch is? No, Like, I really. The rule about the Follow the completion of the catch where you have to, like, land rollover, do your taxes, and then finish it. I still. I still don't really get it. I still don't really know the moment, especially when you're talking about on the goal line, where I thought if you cross the goal line, the play was over. So I've never really understood how that rule works.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, if you're running back and if you're running, just get the nose of the ball to barely cross, you're good. But a receiver has to roll over three times and make sure they hold onto it for six seconds.

[Matt Jones]

I don't get it.

[Drew Franklin]

It's very inconsistent depending on the crew.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Well, the Eagles win. Carson Wentz playing the way he did, I think makes it more likely that JJ McCarthy's given that job when he comes back. But still, you could maybe see it going either way.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you see there was a Carson Wentz blooper reel all from this one game. It was like. It was like a season's worth of bloopers, all from just this game. So definitely got to get rid of him.

[Matt Jones]

Well, Carson Wentz did get engaged at the Castle in Versailles, Kentucky. And for those of you that aren't from Kentucky. That whole sentence may sound strange that there is a castle and that the town's name is Versailles and not Versailles. But go look it up if you've never seen it. There's a castle and Carson Wentz got engaged there. So it doesn't have a lot to do with this game. I just felt like that was something that I needed to throw in there.

[Drew Franklin]

I took his move. I did it a month later. Later. Kind of copycat.

[Matt Jones]

You got engaged there too?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Like really a month after Carson Wentz.

[Matt Jones]

I thought you got engaged at like Nate Bargazi's show.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. We saw you there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. So Carson and I, we're, we're kind of the same when it comes to the romantic stuff.

[Matt Jones]

I think you should have gotten engaged at Nate Vargazzi show. I think that would be a lot. I think that would be a better story and probably something your your wife ever would have enjoyed.

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[Matt Jones]

Packe this to me was the Micah Parsons is a Packer now game, right? He had three sacks. I was kind of surprised. First game of his career where he had three sacks. I think I would have assumed that that had happened in Dallas. But he also, it was definitively when you, you knew when he was on the field, I mean, on the Cardinals final drive where they were driving to try to win the game, they take him out, they throw a 25 yard pass, he comes back in, the announcers go, Michael Parsons back in. Next play was a sack. I mean, it was like literally you in that drive could see the difference between having Micah Parsons and not.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, that was, you know, Micah Parsons at his best. That last drive, he absolutely wrecked them. It seemed every play if he wasn't getting a stat, he was forcing him into making a mistake. He was in the backfield. It seemed like every time they dropped back, kind of been quiet there in Green Bay. He's been fine. You know, he's had the injury, getting acclimated to things, but that was by far his breakout game. He's still a nightmare of a pass rusher.

[Matt Jones]

We had kind of been surprisingly like almost shockingly quiet up until this point. You felt it today and he needed to play well. Cause Jacoby Brissette was very good, had three touchdown passes. Cardinals had a chance down the stretch. Just couldn't, couldn't quite make the plays. While the game was fun, I think the more interesting thing to me was that the packers had to sit on the Runway for five hours before they came to the game. So I guess there were mechanical issues that made them have to sit on the Runway before they came to Arizona. You know, I had a couple of thoughts. First of all, have you ever been on a plane, Drew, where they tell you they have mechanical issues before?

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, I have two. I immediately want them to cancel the flight. I mean, when they say we're having mechanical issues and especially the longer it goes, I don't think there's any reason for it to fly. If you had been on that Runway for five hours, would you have wanted to take off?

[Drew Franklin]

No, and I wouldn't have want to been on the Runway either. I don't understand when they have the mechanical issues. Can we not step off while you all figure this out and I'll go inside to Chili's 2. Why do I have to sit here in this hot airplane while you're figuring out this mechanical issue?

[Matt Jones]

They won't let you leave again. That, like, almost never happens. I'm with you. I don't like the mechanical issues. And I also don't understand how they can just fix it while you're out in the middle. I mean, I would think there would be. Need to be a garage or they need to lift something up. I've never. Every time they do that, I. I feel. I feel awful about it. And I also start to get in my head when that happens. So. I'm impressed. The packers were able to get over.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah, they did the walkthrough. I saw. They played cards. But the craziest part was they had two planes and the other one had, like, staff, not coaches and players, just like random staff members. And that one took off and got to Arizona. It's like, why not let the other players turn around and then the players go first? Like, you have the media crew in the social media team gets to Arizona, but your players and coaches, I'm thinking order of personnel. Should have gone first off the Runway there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's. I like that, though. The social media people need to set up, and then the players get there when they get there. The. The day started in London with the Rams beating the Jaguars 35 to 7. There's very little to say about this game. I mean, Matthew Stafford played awesome. The game was actually never competitive. I mean, The Rams up 14 nothing early. Travis Hunter did score his first touchdown ever for the Jaguars, but it was just. It was brutal. And it also. They. There was. I noticed on social media someone said that fans in the stadium started singing random songs during the game. Not songs about the game, just people were starting up songs and they sang, apparently Bruno Mars, and they sang Robbie Williams, I guess, a British song singer. That doesn't happen in America, but it does in Britain. By the way, Robbie Williams is got to be one of the only people that is massively famous in Britain. And only thing people know about him here is they made that movie with him as a monkey. That was the only thing that did, which I also don't think anybody saw, but they just decided to make a biography of him where he was a monkey. And it got good reviews, actually. But did you see that movie?

[Drew Franklin]

No, I have no idea what you're talking about?

[Matt Jones]

You don't know what I'm talking about?

[Drew Franklin]

No. You're going to have to explain this one to me a little more.

[Matt Jones]

Do you know what I'm talking about? There's a CGI movie about Robbie. It's an autobiography of Robbie Williams. But he's a monkey. You are looking at me like I'm crazy. Do you not know about the Robbie Williams monkey movie?

[Drew Franklin]

I do not. Not at all. Look at that on this.

[Matt Jones]

Look it up. There's a movie where Robbie Williams is a monkey and it got like really good reviews and it's called. I don't know what it's called. It's called monkey Robbie Williams movie. But it's you it exists. I'm not. I'm not just crazy.

[Drew Franklin]

Although I have to give Travis Hunter one shout out on he I don't think he played much defense today but they did throw at him one time on Devonte Adams and he made a crazy cornerback play pass breakup in addition to his big receiver.

[Matt Jones]

He did that was a big play. This was this was his best game for if you're kind of waiting to see when Travis Hunter was going to have a game even though they they lost by 28 this was the game. All right. Chiefs, Raiders, Chiefs 31, Raiders nothing. Rasheed Rice comes back after six game suspension immediately scores a touchdown. This was Billy Survivor league pick which made him get to move on as well as I won mine with the Patriots too. So he and I are both involved. You are still out of it, Drew. Rasheed Rice was gets a touchdown and Mahomes was pretty excellent throughout the game. There are very few things I've done my Chris Collins worth with Mahomes. The only Tony Romo. He doesn't moan and pant quite like Collins Worth but Tony Romo starts giggling like a schoolboy with Mahomes as well.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he looks so good today and someone that was doubting him early in the year. I just got to apologize and admit that I was an idiot for not considering the importance of worthy and now Rice in that offense. I mean they went to Rice right away. First touchdown of the game. They get two in the whole game. But the Chiefs don't look like they've missed much as much of a beat since getting those guys back.

[Matt Jones]

Well offensively they look like the Chiefs three years ago. I mean I know they made the super they've been won the super bowl two years ago, made it last year but they really haven't looked like the Chiefs of the first two Super Bowls. They really haven't looked like the. Since then, but there's. I think the last two weeks they have, and today was maybe the one that was the most impressive to me. I mean, it felt like they could have scored 45. And obviously, if they kept Mahomes in the game, the Raiders had no answer. You know, I ranked them last week number one, as did you. I kind of feel more confident about that today than I did before.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I guess you could. Nothing changed for me, really, being the Raiders. The Raiders look so bad. At one point, we had Kenny Pickett in. I don't know if you saw that.

[Matt Jones]

Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pick.

[Drew Franklin]

Pickett literally took a snap, his first snap as a Raider and fumbled it. And Chiefs recovered.

[Matt Jones]

It's one of those days, so it happens.

[Drew Franklin]

I still wonder about the Chiefs defense a little bit. Chris Jones had a fun moment that went viral on the sideline today. I don't know if you saw that too. He was having a good time, but just a blowout win for them and they're so back. Not that they ever left.

[Matt Jones]

30, 30 first downs for the Chiefs today. The Raiders only had 30 plays. That is one of the more amazing statistics that I can ever remember in a game. 31st down to 30 plays. Romo, I think the most viral moment of the game, though, is Patrick Mahomes, who they go to do the thing which he's right. Never works, which is where you try to draw the people off sides and do the hard count. He does it. You hear him over the broadcast. Curse. Did they have a microphone on Mahomes? How in the world did that. How in the world was that so loud?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, that seemed like it was part of the bit. It was so loud. Says, I hate this. Never bleeping works.

[Matt Jones]

And it never really. And so Romo's like, oh, it doesn't work. And then he fakes him out and they actually run the play and they get the first down. First of all, Andy Reid is brilliant. I love that entire sequence.

[Drew Franklin]

Just shows they're. They're just toying people now, having so much fun out there. But that one, the. The Raiders really, truly fooled them because you could see their defense kind of stand up, like they're thinking, you know, go on and pun or whatever. But I pulled it off. Ashton Jensen is having a great year. He ran the ball six times today. Like they're just wasting that guy.

[Matt Jones]

He's having a pretty good rookie season. I genuinely believe. If you're not a good team, then you shouldn't be allowed to have good running backs because we we we we have no idea if Ashton Genti is good. I mean we just have no idea. And and he he really is wasted on on a bad team. I it should be a rule that teams that are bad should not be able to draft first round running backs because because it is a complete waste. He is the biggest waste of a player and it's not his fault. But if you don't have the offensive line, it's not going to matter.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, and you've got a guy who could be special, could be rookie of the year. But then that offense is also invested in Geno and Pete who need to hang it up. It's showing that that's not working out.

[Matt Jones]

For those two guys. I yeah, harsh to Gino. I I love I like Gino. Why you got to be so mean?

[Drew Franklin]

Rough year for Gino.

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[Matt Jones]

The Browns beat the Dolphin Dolphins 31 to 640 mile an hour winds in Cleveland. I think we've learned that's probably where they play the best best game for Dylan Gabriel in those 30 mile an hour winds, Cleveland had not scored more than 17 points in the last 11 games. It had been. What'd you say, since 1970 or something? That was a different stat. But 11 straight games where they had not scored 17. They score 31 today in the worst weather they've played in throughout the whole probably more of an indictment on the Dolphins by the time people listen to this Monday morning. Will Mike McDaniel still be the coach?

[Drew Franklin]

This is the third straight Sunday we've done this. How is he still here?

[Matt Jones]

He said he's focused. He said he's not focused on his job. Quote, I'm focused on my team. Maybe he should be focused on his job.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, this, this has to be the nail in the coffin. I mean I don't know what he could do anyway with Tua is looking like the worst quarterback in the league. He has. He had another three turnover game. It's his third three turnover game this season, which is outrageous. So Mike McDaniel doesn't have much help, but I don't think there's much, much time you can keep in there any longer.

[Matt Jones]

He was particularly awful, especially after the comments last week about leadership and all that. I think you I expected him to play a little better and he was really, really bad. And the Browns defense got to the quarterback. I think they're completely in quit mode. And if I think you have to get rid of Mike McDaniel if you just want to like salvage having a decent year. Bigger picture. I kind of wonder if Tua is the quarterback in Miami. I mean they're going to end up getting a high pick. I mean you're probably drafting his replacement, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, you have to. I mean Quinn Ewers came in the game, took over and looked better than Tua today. So I think the Tua Tua area is over and that's probably good for Tua. Go enjoy retirement. To it was fun to watch you for a long time but it's he seemed to have lost it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think that's unfortunate. But you're probably right. I'll as I seem to do every Week. Let me hand the floor to you. Patriots 31, Titans 13. Your former coach Mike Brable comes back to Nashville. Did you find yourself pulling for the old guy?

[Drew Franklin]

I wouldn't say pulling for him, but it was the outcome I expected. Titans actually jumped up. Jumped up early. I was surprised. Got an early. Phil golden went up 10, 3. Actually started talking myself into our new coach, Mike McCoy. I've even told you in the past, my old peloton. Yeah, well, my old peloton name was Bike Vrabel. I thought about fired up bike McCoy. I was so excited there for a quarter. But then the Titans became the Titans. I mean, they lost big. Jeff. Jeffrey Simmons, the one player that can do anything. He got hurt. And at that point, the Patriots did whatever they wanted.

[Matt Jones]

Wanted. What about, what about Drake May? I mean, there was a time where it looked like he was like looking at a potential percentage record. He was 21 of 23. I mean, are we seeing him hit? We, we talked about this the last couple of weeks, but are we seeing him kind of hit like superstar status?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I think so. I saw a graphic today comparing his stats last year and the turnaround he's had, and it's really incredible. He made some great throws today, had hit a long TD that really separated the game. While on the other side, I've got Cam Ward, first year guy that I hope could make that step like Drake May, but he's backpedaling and fumbling for a scoop and score and looking like he couldn't tie his shoes. So it was just a. All systems failure after we got up 10, three in that game and had a little bit of hope.

[Matt Jones]

Are you giving up on. On Cam Ward? I mean, are you seeing any signs that of positivity or are you starting to question?

[Drew Franklin]

It's. It's the same thing with Will Levitz. It's the same thing with whoever is after him. The entire operation is so bad. They cannot expect anyone to be good in that position. So sometimes when you see these sloppy turnovers, remember our guy Levis? You know, he had some. He became a meme last year trying to throw it out. He's going down a few times. I think they get to desperation where they're just trying to make plays because the offense is so bad. So it's really hard to judge any of them.

[Matt Jones]

Well. And this is the third straight guy who was the quarterback from Liberty. What was his name before the one before Levis. That Levis replies.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh my goodness. Yeah, went to the Packers. Why am I drawing a blank yeah, he was our big draft pick. He was our future. Malik Willis.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Blake. Yeah. So, I mean, you've had three straight of these guys at some point. Maybe it's not their fault.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And you.

[Drew Franklin]

Willis was supposed to be it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Mike Brable. They didn't honor him. What do you think?

[Drew Franklin]

The crowd honored him. The variable chants were very, very loud through the tv. It was mostly at the end of the game as he was leaving. But he got a lot of love from the hometown crowd. Not surprised that the organization didn't honor him with the way that ended. But Nashville let him know that he's loved.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he got. I saw when he came out, he just kept shaking everybody's hand and he was getting a much. I think more people in the stadium were cheering. But first of all, how many people even Knew who Mike McCoy was when he walked out? I mean, do you think any of the. Any of fans even recognized who their coach was? Had to be a cool moment for Brable. You always like seeing the coach return to. To the place where he did, where he won. As a matter of fact, that happened for a defensive coordinator as well. Dennis Allen for the Bears was able to get the victory against the Saints even though it was at home. The Bears win 26 14. They kind of were rolling throughout most of the game. Led 20 to nothing at one point. But then the Saints make it 2014. I start to get Nerv, but the Bears defense bears down. And now Caleb Williams has played multiple good games in a row. Bears are 4 and 2. Are you on my Bears train? I'm.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm believing they got the young offensive talent. Was this. Four wins in a row.

[Matt Jones]

Four wins in a row.

[Drew Franklin]

Should have won that week one game close there. Yeah, I. I'm a believer. I. I've even poked fun at you about Caleb Williams in the past, thinking he's not the answer. But even though I wanted best version of him today, still a big win. And they're hot right now. Now.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I really like what I see. I think he. Ben Johnson's made such. You could see flashes last year for that. Caleb could play. But I love the decision making and I love the creativity in the way they use him. I think they use him absolutely perfectly. And it's nice to have. It's nice to watch Chicago fans with hope. I think the Bears fans have been sort of knocked down for so long that they almost didn't believe that this would work with Caleb. And I think it has. And the Saints like they continue. I mean, they're one in six or whatever, but they continue to be competitive in these games. Chris Olave had a big game today as well. I still think the Saints are going to beat somebody at some point this year, that it's going to be a big loss for that team because of the bad teams. I mean, they're much better than the Titans, they're much better than the jets, they're much better than the Dolphins. I actually think they're the sneaky good, bad team this year. Year.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And Olave's been great. I don't know if they wanted to use him as a trade piece at some point or something, but he's another guy just being wasted on a great team or on a bad team because he's great. I saw it is even though they've been close and knocking on doors, it is their worst start since 1999. So it's bad times down there in New Orleans to start the season. Spencer Rattler got hot there for a while, but I think he called off for us.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he's actually. I don't think Spencer Rattler's all that bad either. Again, compared to some of these other bad quarterbacks that are playing. I actually don't think he bad as a lot of those guys. Panthers and the Jets. You know, when you see Panthers and Jets, first of all, you know what you're in for. But I don't think you knew you were going to be in for. The sound quality they had, it sounded like an old school AM radio broadcast of a church in rural West Virginia. They said they were underwater. They had some sort of technical issue. I kind of loved it. I felt like I was watching a game game on local broadcast television in the 70s.

[Drew Franklin]

How about the Panthers? Now above.500. They're winning big time. And I saw poor Meow Mix. They shut down Meow Mix and the Panthers are three and.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I'm glad you brought this up. I wanted. I wanted to talk about Meow Mix. First of all, if you remember, a few weeks ago we talked about the Panthers podcast, Meow Mix decided randomly after week four of the season to quit. Weird time to quit. Three or four weeks into the season. I think the Panthers have turned it around in honor of Meow Mix. And I want to say to the people who run Meow Mix, we have been trying to get in touch with you. I've been trying to get in touch. We've had the NFL trying to get in touch with you. Meow Mix is now officially in. What happened to them? Are they being Held hostage. Where is Meow Mix and what. And now they don't get to celebrate. What is a Panthers turnaround?

[Drew Franklin]

No, they're. They're doing what they have to do. They're taking one for the team. If they come back and then the Panthers lose, the fan base will kill them. So they just have to stay hidden. The Panthers are three and oh, since they've been gone, there's no way they can come out now. They have to stay quiet forever because they're. They're stepping away. Actually worked and I'm looking. I don't know many Titans podcasts, but if there's a Titans podcast out there, I need you to unplug and go away.

[Matt Jones]

You need to quit.

[Drew Franklin]

See if it'll work for us. Maybe we'll string off three wins in a row.

[Matt Jones]

You did get a moment today where it was Andy Dalton versus Tyrod Taylor. I think that is actually, it is 20, 25 and we had an Andy Dalton, Tyrod Taylor game. I think that that in and of itself should be celebrated.

[Drew Franklin]

Imagine you weren't watching the game to see, you know, Fields get pulled and keeping up with things, and you just happen to be scrolling through and Tyrod Taylor's throwing against Andy Dalton on your television with bad sound quality.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you would have thought it might have been a game from 2006 and you just happened to have turned it on NFL film, but yeah, that's exactly right. You are looking live at an empty Jet Stadium for. For Panthers versus Jets. Justin Fields, by the way, gets benched. Is his time done now? Maybe his time as a quarterback, period. I mean, he's now had kind of three failed opportunities in a row. You do kind of wonder if maybe today was one of the last hurrahs for Justin Fields, period.

[Drew Franklin]

I think that was it. I mean, he's looked bad all year. I mean, a couple of times he's made some plays with his feet, but he just can't see the pass rusher of blitz coming at him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, and you fail with a. With the Bears, the Steelers and the jets. When you're one and six and you're getting benched for Tyrod Taylor, who's been in the league forever. Probably not the best side.

[Drew Franklin]

No, no, no.

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[Matt Jones]

Probably the most impressive result of the day the Colts go to the Chargers 3824. A huge win and they were up big the entire game. Daniel Jones Jones at this point you have to say it's real, right? Like it's not a fluke. When they're 6 and 1, they've got the most wins in the NFL. They would be the AFC home field advantage and they're winning games on the road like this definitively. It's not a fluke anymore. Daniel Jones said. The ME clearly the media didn't know because they don't know anything about football and saying they weren't going to be good. I don't know how anybody could have predicted this. You, you're officially impressed, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Oh yeah. I've actually been impressed a couple weeks because the teams are beating aren't fluke. So they're just out there beating the, the jets and the Dolphins. They're beating good teams. They're not turning the ball over. I mean they've had that stat. They went three weeks to start the season without turning the ball over. He didn't have any today and then his running back, oh, just another three touchdown days. So the Colts are for real. It's crazy to say they could be the best team in the NFL, but they literally have the best record and are, are.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think they're.

[Drew Franklin]

The best team in the NFL.

[Matt Jones]

They certainly, they certainly impressed me today. I had that game on a lot of the time. And even though Justin Herbert had 420 yards. Right. So that looks like an amazing game. I feel like the Colts were on him the entire game. I mean, part of the reason he had 420 yards, they were playing from behind the entire game. So he had to throw. But the amount of pass rush that team gets is unbelievable. Herbert got beat up. I mean, I don't know what his final toll total of sacks he took was, but he got hit an unbelievable amount of times. And you show that defense with Jonathan Taylor and Daniel Jones. I mean, I keep waiting for the other shoe to fall, but I, I don't know, Drew, maybe it's not going to happen. Maybe all you had to do is get rid of Anthony Richardson and you have a good team.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I think the Colts are for real and I think the Chargers can still get back to playing better. They've lost three or four, but as you mentioned, that offensive line is so bad. Bad. I don't know what they can do to go out and find help, but they have to go out and get help on the offensive line because the moment alt got hurt a few weeks ago and they have a few others, his stats have been like he's has the most pressures, sacks, hits, everything. I mean he's just getting absolutely killed and running for his life these last three or four weeks.

[Matt Jones]

I do want to note on a, on a crowd shot during the game, they showed someone in the Chargers crowd and they had a sign and here's all that the signs said fun. That was just said fun. It didn't say let's have fun. It didn't say I'm having fun. It just said the word fun. And I was sitting there thinking what is the mindset of that leads somebody to bring a sign, it was hand painted to the game that just says fun. What can you. What is it that they could have been thinking? It reminds me of Many years ago, WWF had a pay per view in Cleveland called Invasion. And back then, Drew, you know this, in wrestling, people would try to make the most creative or vulgar or like innuendo signs possible. And my friend DJ and I snuck into the fourth row of Invasion. We were very excited. And then this woman sitting behind us said, you don't have tickets here. Those are not your tickets. And we were like, oh, they're not, but will you not kick us out? And she said, well, you're tall. Only if you hold my sign up in the air. So, like, next to me was a person who said. Who had a sign that was like, rock bottom my face. And the other one was like, stone cold 24 7.

[Drew Franklin]

Whoop.

[Matt Jones]

And I had to hold up her stupid sign, which was glitter. And all it said was Invasion. That's all it said, Invasion. So everyone else had these creative signs. And I was in the line of the camera and I'm holding and I'm holding a rainbow glitter sign that just says Invasion. That's what I thought of today with the person in the Chargers just holding up a sign that said fund they were you.

[Drew Franklin]

Maybe they were part of a bigger, bigger operation. They got separated from the group. It was supposed to say Chargers football is fun. But they got different tickets and they got lost in the group and still went through with it.

[Matt Jones]

And somebody, someone was just holding up a sign that said is. That's all it said.

[Drew Franklin]

I went to college game day basketball at RUP many years ago. I was in college. And they had dry erase signs that they passed out to the student section. They regretted that real quick.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that was bad. That's a bad.

[Drew Franklin]

They went and took them, passed them all out and they went and picked them all right back up about 30 minutes later.

[Matt Jones]

If anybody knows why the sign just said Fun. I would be fascinated because I. I've racked my brain all day thinking, why would a side just say fun? I still don't have the answer. By the way. I thought on the camera there, I thought you just pulled out a cigarette and started smoking. I was like, I didn't even know you smoked. And you decided to do it tonight at midnight for the podcast Cowboys Commander Raiders 42 22. Definitively great performance by the Cowboys. Dak was awesome. And it is clear George Pickens and CD Lamb together. Now that Lamb's back, that is a. That's an impossible duo to defend.

[Drew Franklin]

That offense is pretty dang incredible. I mean, even their running back Williams has been good. Tight end Ferguson has stepped up. Pickens And Lamb, I wonder how they could balance, you know, Pickens got a little bit of personnel, he had problems in Pittsburgh. Turns out this fresh start has been great for him. And they are just a nightmare duo. And it's not that they're just getting open. I mean they're making some toe tapping, highlight reel catches throughout the game. It was just a fun one to watch as they piled on Washington today.

[Matt Jones]

Some people think act like kickers are offense because I guess they're scoring points. Well, if that's true and you throw in Aubrey the kicker, the combination of dad, Lamb, Pickens and Aubrey, I don't know how many teams have a four, you know, a four person group better than that. I mean the only ones you could say, I don't know, maybe, maybe Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown, Saquon Barkley, maybe, you know, Mahomes, Kelsey Worthy, etc. And the kicker who is giving political speeches on the side. I mean, what. But I'm not sure anybody would be better than that. This group.

[Drew Franklin]

And Brandon Aubrey is a weapon unlike anything we've ever seen.

[Matt Jones]

He kicked 61 yards with ease and.

[Drew Franklin]

It was like perfectly centered. It went right over the top of the post. But it would have been good from 75. And when he made it, they said he already has the record for most 60 yarders in a career. And he's only been around a few years from the moment he got up on the couch when his wife said, oh, you should go try that football thing. And now look at him. I mean he's.

[Matt Jones]

But I still don't know. We've talked about this. I don't know how much I buy this now. I think that. I think all these records that the fact that the kickers now get to massage their balls before the kicks, I don't think it's. I genuinely think we have to look at it differently and I wonder if coaches are coaching differently on it. Like now you're in field goal range when you're at the 45 yard line. And I think it does. I think it's going to lead to kind of a revolution. I'm going to make your prediction. The NFL in the next couple of years is going to do something to make it to where if they. Because if they don't change something, we're going to be kicking 70 yarders regularly.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm ready for the Cowboys to try it. I'm hoping we get a scenario where it's an end and a half or maybe you're up big. But I want Brandon Aubrey to get A moment to try to break the record and kick one from.

[Matt Jones]

What is the record, the record 67.

[Drew Franklin]

In the preseason the guy hit the 70 yarder but it didn't count for the preseason for the record. So the official records in the 60s, but we have seen a 70 yarder go through this year. Year. Cam Little with the Jaguars.

[Matt Jones]

When I was a kid I knew very little about records in sports, but I could have told you Tom Dempsey had the field goal record and it was 63. It was just one of those things that everyone knew. It was like you were told, yeah, the record for most games played is this. The record for field goal is 63. And then I remember, I think it was Jason Elam, maybe Todd at one time. And then since then it's like a record I can't keep up with. It feels like it changes so quick.

[Drew Franklin]

And with Aubrey, he's just insanely accurate too. He's going to be one of the most accurate kickers of all time. I'm wondering when it comes time to hit to get to the negotiation with table with him. He's so valuable. I want, I mean when, when you, when you have a guy who as soon as you can cross the 50 is going to get you three points. I mean that's, that's a kicker that.

[Matt Jones]

Deserves more than we've ever seen. We've seen that Jerry Jones is very reasonable in negotiation. So I think that, I think it should be, I think it should be no problem to be able to resign. Aubrey, you also got to see one of my favorite things which is the 4:30 Dallas Cowboys game with the sun through the hole of the roof. I always enjoy that. You never know where it's going to glare. It gives such, it is such a bizarre. I don't know if it's a home field advantage or not because George Pickens ended up dropping a pass because of it. What do you make of the light problem they have when they play these mid afternoon games in Dallas?

[Drew Franklin]

It's insane that they haven't fixed this already. Last year CD Lamb dropped a routine pass that hit him in the chest. But in the, in the replay you can literally see that he's blinded. He says in the post game press conference he complained about it. So if you're all pro wide receivers dropping touchdowns at home and complaining about it, how have you not already fixed it? It's not an advantage. It's happening to your own guys.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Jaden Daniels hurt. We still don't as of this month moment know what's wrong with him that concerns me a little bit. The fact that they haven't heard anything suggests to me it's more than nothing with Jaden Daniels. Marcus Mariota came in through an interception, pick six pretty quickly. I mean the commanders, the entire outlook for the team changes if they're out this year. There were a lot of people's pick to go to the Super Bowl. I think they've been slightly disappointing and if they lose Jaden Daniels, probably that's that.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I mean I think hamstring, I don't know how long that could keep him out. But Mario to show today that he can't hold him on. He. He gave him two good weeks a few weeks ago. But that pick 60 through today was embarrassing. They have no hope if Jaden Daniels isn't healthy.

[Matt Jones]

He cut his hair though, by the way, after you gave him a hard time about that gray hair. He cut it a little bit shorter. I, I think he may. You may have hair shamed him, which I don't think was very nice of you. San Francisco in Atlanta. San Francisco and Atlanta play Sunday night Football. After a bunch of weeks of banger Sunday night games back to back to back, you get kind of a dud. San Francisco wins 20 to 10. Michael Penix Jr. Kind of got hurt at the end. We'll see what happens with that. Mac Jones plays pretty well, but the story is McCaffrey seven catches, 23 carries. He had 30 different attempts with the ball. He's basically the 49ers entire offense and it was enough to get the win.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I mean they needed him there. Even though Kittle came back, he was very quiet. I don't even know if he had a catch tonight. But the team that's been so banged up and missing everybody. McCaffrey pretty much was the offense. He went out and won him a game tonight. So that was huge by him. Mac Jones, pretty, pretty mini mediocre night. It was all McCaffrey.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, the. I am impressed though. I mean there you have to give San Francisco credit for how they are able to keep it going with all these injuries, including a quarterback. I mean, Mac Jones comes in there. We've talked a lot on this show about their schedule. I mean they can be. They can be mediocre and still win a lot of games and they're still on pace to do that. So let's go over some news items to end the show. Doug Martin passes away at the age of 36. Billy is not able to be on the mic, but that was his former. One of his Most beloved players with Tampa Bay, so rest in peace to Doug Martin. We don't know any more about it, but I know Billy would want to give that a shout out. Brandon Graham from the Philadelphia Eagles. Sixteen years he played, then he retires, they say might come back. I don't understand how guys who aren't doing anything.

[Drew Franklin]

Drew.

[Matt Jones]

Can just all of a sudden come back after not playing and be ready to go on a field, especially in a position like linebacker.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, taking off so long, but, I mean, the answer is right in front of of us. We just talked about it. We got Andy Dalton versus Tyrod Taylor. We had Aaron Rodgers versus Joe Flacco. I think everybody's seeing these 40 year olds. I think Brandon Graham's probably pushing 40, 37, 38ish. I think everybody's like, well, you know what? I'm gonna go give it a go again. If these old men are in prime time showing off, I'll give it a try.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco game was kind of amazing, I have to say. I mean, I. I'm an Aaron Rodgers hater, but he was great. And then Joe Flacco, I mean, Joe Flacco really is an inspiration because Aaron Rodgers is otherworldly talent. He's a Hall of Famer. But Joe Flacco has kind of just been above average dude his entire career. And even as above average dudes in his 40s still playing, gets traded in the middle of the season, then goes and beats Pittsburgh in a game that was crucial for the Bengals, he might be able to hold down the fort until burrow. Joe Flacco just continues to impress me. I don't think he's ever going to.

[Drew Franklin]

I agree. And that game was so fun. I was excited to watch it. Maybe expecting it be kind of just two old guys running around trying their best. But that was a heck of a shootout. They combined for seven touchdowns. And even though the Steelers have still the lead in the division, I'm not sleeping on the Bengals anymore. After watching Flacco connect with Chase 16 times in that game, I mean, that offense looked good. He can keep it together until burrows back. I would believe in it.

[Matt Jones]

I think. I think Kirk, Herb street was saying during the game, talking about Jamar Chase, like, are we looking at one of the best ever? And I kind of wonder, like, he seems as unstoppable. I mean, there were guys like Randy Moss who were unstoppable in part because their physical gifts were so amazing. But, like, for a guy who's little, the way Jamar Chase, as good as he is, I kind of hate that he's losing bits of his career career when Burrow gets hurt. But he is, he is an he is. To me he's the most fun player to watch as a receiver in the entire league.

[Drew Franklin]

And when you're seeing what Flacco's done with him, where he had this record setting night couple nights ago, it kind of makes me wonder like Jake Browning, did you just not see him? Like he's always open, like did you not want to throw it to him? You have Jamar Chase, how are you not able to get it to him Just a little, little bit.

[Matt Jones]

Poor Jake Browning. I don't know why I feel bad so bad for Jake Browning. But when you have a job for a number of years, you lose it. A 40 year old man comes in like dipping with a gray beard and does better than you. It's got to make you a little bit self conscious. All right, let's finish here. Monday Night Football 2 games. I don't know. I, I, I don't love the two games because I think it's going to be hard for me to stay up for the second one. But the first one's great. Bucks and Lions. This will be I think one of the better games of excited to watch that the Lions defense against Baker Mayfield. Who you got?

[Drew Franklin]

I'm going to take the Lions but if Baker goes in there and does it will not shock me. I think obviously there's a two of the best teams in the league right now. I'm going to take the Lions to win it just because they look so good lately. But I'm, I'm about to become a full Bucks fan with Billy. They've been so fun this year. I'm looking forward to watching this one.

[Matt Jones]

Lines are five and a half point favorite. That feels a little high to me. I mean it feels a little high considering that I think the Buccaneers can win the game. I'm going to pick Detroit to win. But I think if I were to do the game I think I would take the 5 1/2 plus Tampa Bay plus 225 is not ridiculous. The 10 o' clock game is Texans at Seahawks. I love my guy Dan Orlovsky who I used to do the radio with. He has tweeted more about this game than any person. Like he's doing the game and he said to me or he said in a tweet earlier today Texas and Seahawks is the kind of thing that makes you love football and I don't know what he means like, how does Texans and Seahawks make you want to love football? The question is, can I stay awake for this game? And I think the answer, since it starts at 10 o', clock, Drew is probably no.

[Drew Franklin]

Are you sure he didn't mean Texans at Seahawks will test how much you love football. Like we're going to really find out how much you Love Football Ball. 10pm on Monday night. Are you in for it? Should be a good game. I don't know if I'll catch it being that late. I'll give it my best. I'm like Flacco and Rogers and I and you. I guess, you know, I need my, need my sleep that late at night. But I don't know if this is one that, you know, this love for football, like you said.

[Matt Jones]

Well, it's a long weekend for football. I mean, when you, when you go, you start with Thursday night. Then Louisville played Miami Friday night. You had a full day of Saturday football games. Our Kentucky Wildcats played Saturday night. I finished my post game show at 1:15 in the morning. I, I got up at 9:00am to do ESPN. Now it's 12:30 at night and we're doing it. The chances of me staying for Seahawks, Texas, I think that's too much to ask of any man. So I'm going to go ahead and say to you, the NFL Cover Zero listeners, feel free to let me know how it goes. And I will, I will make sure to appreciate all of your comments.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, are you not excited about Sam Darnold late night? He's been pretty awesome.

[Matt Jones]

You're acting like Sam Darnold is not a part of my thoughts every late night and I don't think it's. I think we can take one evening. Evening off. Well, listen, thank you all very much for listening. We'll be back on Wednesday to join you again. Drew, it's nice to see you. Who is. Is that John Daly behind you there?

[Drew Franklin]

Where? Oh, my gnome.

[Matt Jones]

Is that John Daly?

[Drew Franklin]

No, it's, it's just at the Masters they have a gnome every year. This is the year I went. I got to know him.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, well, see, I didn't even know that was a thing.

[Drew Franklin]

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[Matt Jones]

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