NFL Cover Zero: NFL Free Agency and Chargers CB Cam Hart

Summary

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NFL Cover Zero: NFL Free Agency and Chargers CB Cam Hart

Podcast: KSR – iHeartPodcasts / Sports Talk 790
Air Date: March 19, 2026
Hosts: Drew Franklin, Billy Rutledge (filling in for Matt Jones)
Special Guest: Cam Hart, LA Chargers CB
Theme: Discussion of wild NFL Free Agency moves and an interview with Chargers cornerback Cam Hart (former Notre Dame captain), recorded at Super Bowl week.

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Episode Overview

This episode of NFL Cover Zero, hosted by Drew Franklin and Billy Rutledge in Matt Jones’ absence, dives into the biggest stories of the NFL offseason, with a special focus on 2026 free agency and the surprising moves defining this cycle. The second half features a wide-ranging, lively interview with LA Chargers cornerback Cam Hart, covering his rookie experience, Notre Dame leadership, coaching philosophies, and his drive both on and off the field. The tone is humorous and conversational, with plenty of football insight and personal anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wild NFL Free Agency Moves (02:32–13:43)

• Hosts share surprise and excitement about recent free agency moves:

  • Mike Evans to 49ers:
    • Billy Rutledge (04:09): “I'm really still trying to get over Mike Evans leaving to go to San Francisco. Not only that, Drew, but to take a low amount of money. It was not about the money for him. He felt like he would go win a championship over there.”
  • Kyler Murray to Vikings:
    • Billy Rutledge (05:52): “Man, do they have egg on their face. Sam Darnold leaves and then goes, wins a Super Bowl and J.J. McCarthy really struggles... Kyler can. Can play ball. He just needs to get into his playbook a little bit more.”
  • Maxx Crosby’s (non-)trade and Ravens’ defensive arms race:
    • “Looked like the Ravens are just loading up on defense to try to get that Super Bowl ring.” (Drew Franklin, 07:52)
  • Travis Kelce returning to Chiefs, Justin Fields as backup (07:17–07:44)

• Local Pride and Kentucky Connections:

  • Wandale Robinson to Titans (08:52):
    • “Wandale played here for maybe one of UK’s best seasons in a long time... now you’re telling me after the great season he had in New York, I get to watch him in Nashville?” (Drew Franklin, 08:52)
  • Titans uniform surprise for Drew Franklin at SEC Tournament (09:54–11:10)
  • Discussion of new Titans stadium and the nostalgia of “being in at the beginning” (11:53–12:55)

• Lighter Moments:

  • Following Donna Kelce’s home renovation on social media (06:17–07:02)
  • Titans “taking back” Drew after his “flirtation” with Bills Mafia (12:55–13:20)

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2. Cam Hart Interview – Chargers CB and Notre Dame Captain (18:49–33:10)

Setting the Scene

• Interview recorded at Super Bowl week in San Francisco, with Matt Jones returning to join Drew Franklin and Billy Rutledge in a relaxed “lounge” stage setting.
• “We had much less preparation time. They were kind of throwing us names we hadn't heard of before we got up there. And honestly, Drew, I think they all turned out…” (Billy Rutledge, 17:42)

Switching Gears: Early Football Reflections (18:49–21:25)

• Chargers’ 2025 season & new hires:

  • Cam Hart is optimistic about the team’s future post-coaching change.
    • “I think it was just a building point, honestly… I think the hires that we made this offseason with Mike McDaniel and Chris O'Leary are two great hires.” (Cam Hart, 19:28)

• On injuries derailing the season:

  • “You lose two All-Pro tackles, I mean, that's going to impact any… football team. And then I think we had like, nine different combination of offensive line.” (Cam Hart, 20:27)

Notre Dame Leadership & Coach Freeman’s Hair (21:00–22:48)

• Meaning of Notre Dame captaincy:
  • “That's something I remember for the rest of my life... having the respect and respect for my teammates and the coaches, that's a big thing for me, and I'll carry that.” (Cam Hart, 21:08)
• On Coach Marcus Freeman:
  • “He’s very personable. You can go to Coach Freeman about anything... he understands his players.” (Cam Hart, 22:04)
  • On the legendary hairline: “Yeah, he gets it touched up a couple times a week. Three times a week he gets it touched up.” (Cam Hart, 21:52)

NFL Trash Talk & Tough Matchups (23:10–24:32)

• Wide receiver rivalries:
  • “Stefon Diggs talks a lot of trash. We went to the same high school, so that was a battle that I always look forward to.” (Cam Hart, 23:24)
  • Toughest opponents: “Jamar Chase, Puka Nacua and JSN ... Puka and Jamar Chase, what they can do after the catch; JSN, he's very creative in his route running.” (Cam Hart, 24:03)

Chargers Fan Base, Brazil Game, and Locker Room Vibes (24:32–26:15)

• On the much-maligned Chargers fan base:
  • “If you look at the attendance from the NFL, Chargers is top 10… the fan base have backed us all year. I think it’s continuing to grow.” (Cam Hart, 24:59)
• International games:
  • “Just being in Brazil... you see all different types of jerseys... they don’t necessarily just wear the jerseys of the teams playing.” (Cam Hart, 25:25–25:32)
• On Justin Herbert dating Madison Beer:
  • “Justin, he's a very quiet guy... he doesn’t talk about much other than football in the locker room... once social media started posting, that's when I found out about it.” (Cam Hart, 25:54)

Harbaugh’s Milk, Michigan Rivalry, and Politics (30:36–33:09)

• Jim Harbaugh mythology & Michigan rivalry:

  • “I personally hate Michigan. I hate Michigan... I think because I wanted to go to Michigan in high school and they didn’t recruit me. So when you're at Notre Dame, you’re kind of like, blank that, that Jim Harbaugh.” (Cam Hart, 31:00)

• On being a political science major:

  • “I always wanted to go to law school... that was the fashion track at Notre Dame.” (Cam Hart, 32:06)
  • “No, I don’t follow politics as much as you would think. I think it's very polarizing. The more people talk about it, the crazier it gets.” (Cam Hart, 32:27)
  • Matt Jones responds: “Well, I can tell you one thing you did do correctly was not becoming a lawyer. I was a lawyer for a few years, and it’s the one worst. So you had a much better…” (Matt Jones, 32:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On free agency surprise:

  • “I wish [Mike Evans] nothing but the best, but he’s taken some shots on the way out, and I really don’t know how to handle it.” – Billy Rutledge (04:09)

• On Wandale Robinson signing:

  • “The Juan Del win really stuck out to me and says a lot with Brian Daboll coming over as offensive coordinator from New York, how, how much he really believed in him too.” – Drew Franklin (09:24)

• On Coach Freeman’s signature look:

  • “He gets his haircut probably three times a week… and the barber... cuts everybody on [the team] too.” – Cam Hart (21:51)

• On Chargers fans:

  • “If you look at the attendance from the NFL, Chargers is top 10.” – Cam Hart (25:03)
  • “Boom. Eat those numbers.” – Drew Franklin (25:05)

• On Stefon Diggs as a trash-talker:

  • “We went to the same high school, so that was a battle that I always look forward to.” – Cam Hart (23:24)

• On Harbaugh and Michigan snub:

  • “I personally hate Michigan. I hate Michigan... I wanted to go to Michigan in high school and they didn’t recruit me.” – Cam Hart (31:00)

• On NFL player/agent ambitions:

  • “I want to be an agent. I want to go to law school and become…” – Cam Hart (32:54)

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Segment Timestamps

• NFL Free Agency Recap & Analysis: 02:32–13:44
• Titans segment, UK and local color: 08:47–13:18
• Lead-in to Interview: 17:35–18:49
• Cam Hart Interview: 18:49–33:10
• Post-interview wrap and Brown’s Denzel Ward tease: 33:15–34:14

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Episode Takeaways & Final Thoughts

• The NFL offseason is full of unpredictability, and this year’s free agency made for some eyebrow-raising moves—most notably veteran stars seeking rings, surprise trades and re-signings, and teams betting big on fresh starts.
• Cam Hart, a thoughtful, funny, and grounded young player, provided insight into NFL culture, Chargers’ team-building, and his own path from Notre Dame captain to pro corner—and even talked a bit about his academic ambitions and the reality of transitioning to pro life in LA.
• The episode, with its blend of personal football stories, locker room humor, and affectionate regional ties, makes for an insightful and entertaining listen for NFL fans and Kentucky sports followers alike.

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Transcript

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[Drew Franklin]

Welcome in to a new edition of NFL Cover 0. Drew Franklin here filling in for Matt Jones with Billy Rutledge. Matt is up in Bristol, Connecticut trying to get a flight back to Kentucky as we have some some bizarre Snow Situations on March 17th. Billy but we'll fill in for him as we set up our next interview from the super bowl back in San Francisco. We're going to continue to play these out. Today we got a little cam hard guy from. And speaking of the Fighting Irish, Billy, to St. Patrick's Day. And you're not wearing green.

[Billy Rutledge]

I'm not wearing green.

[Drew Franklin]

I just have to. I have to throw that out there first. You're not a participant to wearing green.

[Billy Rutledge]

I just forgot. I normally take part in drinking green beer and maybe skyline chili with green noodles, but I just didn't wear my green back in the day. That would get me pinched. But, Drew, don't pinch me. I don't think we need that right now.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, it's not middle school. I won't pinch you. But I did notice as soon as I walked in, you weren't wearing green. But I did. I am wearing my green. I did notice you have on your super bowl hat. I don't have mine on today, but I've been accused of wearing it way too often. My wife even said recently, did all the other hats go away in the closet? But we wear it because we're still kind of pinching ourselves. We were there.

[Billy Rutledge]

I. I'm still there mentally, actually. I've come back. I'm just. I'm a shell of myself. It was definitely one of the best trips of my life. And, you know, you know, the NFL not going on right now, but yet we've still got a lot of news recently, you know, and it never stops, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Free agency season's been wild. We won't break it all down for you. We got to get to this Cam Hart interview, but, I mean, there's been a few topics we should address. We got a little time here before we toss to San Francisco. Did you have any favorite free agency signings? I mean, we could just go down the list, but I'll let you lead off. Is there something that stood out to you that you want to brag about or complain about?

[Billy Rutledge]

I'm very biased as a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan, but Kenneth Gainwell was named the MVP of the Steelers last year from the team. And then how he goes to Tampa. But I'm really still trying to get over Mike Evans leaving to go to San Francisco. Not only that, Drew, but to take a low amount of money. It was not about the money for him. He felt like he would go win a championship over there. I would argue there's an electrical substation that could screw with his hamstring, of all the places. I mean, he's a guy that hasn't played a full season in years, so I wish him nothing but the best, but he's taken some shots on the way out, and I really don't know how to handle it. Drew.

[Drew Franklin]

He is, and he can't help that. You know, he got paid well to go to a contender. But on the 49ers end, with all the injuries they've had the last several years, I was a little surprised that they went after a guy with, you know, back end of his career had coming off recent injuries. That was a surprise move. But I guess in some ways I'm happy for him. A guy that's been awesome. I don't want to downplay your bucks, but for him to at least as you see, many guys do try to go get a ring on their way out.

[Billy Rutledge]

Well, the 49ers feel like they're a piece away, and Mike feels like he's that piece. He actually said that verbatim, but I don't know. I've given Ollie pops a try for Christian McCaffrey. Remember, he was. He was sporting those during our interview. And I mean, I like the root beer one, Drew, but I can't say I like many more. But I tried, Christian. I tried.

[Drew Franklin]

That's all right. And we're still pinching ourselves at Christian McCaffrey. Come on, Drew.

[Billy Rutledge]

That we sang to Bryce Young, the Carolina Mike song. I still never get over that.

[Drew Franklin]

Speaking of quarterbacks, how do you feel about Kyler Murray going to the Vikings? Another surprise move. We talked a lot about Kyler Murray and the struggles in Arizona throughout our Cover 0 season. We also talked about the Vikings QB situation a lot. How could we not? I think. Yeah, there you go. You had a few things to say about all nine. Now they're rolling the dice with Kyler Murray to see what he still has left.

[Billy Rutledge]

Man, do they have egg on their face. Sam Darnold leaves and then goes, wins a Super bowl and J.J. mcCarthy really struggles. I had no idea Kyler Murray grew up watching the Vikings. So when he's like, very earnest saying, I grew up watching these games, Brett Favre throwing in a touchdown made me cry. Things like that. Like, I love when people return home like that. And. And he still got some left in the toast, right? Like, I mean, with a good defense and some weapons, Kyler can. Can play ball. He just needs to get into his playbook a little bit more.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, there's no doubt he's got plenty of targets in Minnesota, so maybe this can revive him a little bit after it got pretty disappointing there in Arizona. Have you been Keeping up with Donna Kelsey's home renovations. I actually. That Internet joke's been going for a couple of weeks, and I thought we were past it. And yesterday, TMZ shared a photo of a man installing a window saying, the windows are in. So it looks like we as a society are just all in on following the Donna Kelsey home renovation.

[Billy Rutledge]

Well, they know it gets the clicks, and it's the swifties.

[Drew Franklin]

Are you clicking New window arrives at Donna Kelsey's house.

[Billy Rutledge]

I'm not, but there are a lot of crazy people out there, and I understand what TMZ is doing. You've seen these newspapers nowadays and some of the crazy headlines that their online version will have. So keep me posted, though, Drew. I mean, what else is going to happen with the renovation?

[Drew Franklin]

You know, I'm pins on needles, wondering if they're going to read blacktop her driveway or, you know, maybe some fresh landscaping. I'm actually refreshing Twitter right now, hoping someone will update me. But for now, we just know that the windows are here. But a surprising topic this offseason.

[Billy Rutledge]

Kelsey's back for another year.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, she stole the headlines.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Travis coming back to Kansas City. I think most of us thought it was kind of the end last year. Do we think the disappointment in how the chief season went, he just couldn't go out like that.

[Billy Rutledge]

100%. Yeah. Left a bad taste in his mouth. I feel like he's kind of borderline line. Still got it. And when you still got it, I'm sure there's a yearning to compete at this highest level. So couple more years, maybe one more, and then he can go off into the sunset. They just signed Justin Fields as their backup to Patrick Mahomes, one of the many additions that we've seen over the cat.

[Drew Franklin]

Past couple weeks, few more things. Just off the top of my head, there's been so much my. My brain spinning. But the. The Max Crosby trade, that was an adventure.

[Billy Rutledge]

How bizarre.

[Drew Franklin]

Looked like the Ravens are just loading up on defense to try to get that super bowl ring. You know, they're on the edge of the Lamar Henry, you know, got a win now mode. I know we have a lot of Bengals fans, and I did not love the thought of Max Crosby going to the Ravens. And then he gets there, and that gets nixed, and he's. He and the Raiders both are putting on a big smile like that never happened.

[Billy Rutledge]

And then how about the reporting that Trey Hendrickson is in the building thinking he's going to be teaming up with Max Crosby, and then Max Crosby's deal Falls through. It had to be a little bit of buyer's remorse, right? The, the, the, the market for Henderson went down a little bit. They were like, are we really going to give away two first round picks for this guy? But everybody, they knew what was, what was happening with the physical. It's not like that was late arriving news. So I mean a very bizarre situation, no doubt for a superstar in this league.

[Drew Franklin]

That added to the Bengals frustrations having Hendrickson involved too. Yeah, Pro Bowler, still a little bit of life yet left. Getting a big deal there.

[Billy Rutledge]

He's going to be good in Baltimore, I think, I really do.

[Drew Franklin]

Speaking of being good, I put this on the back of our news. My Titans are back.

[Billy Rutledge]

Oh, yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, I was pretty grumpy last year. I've been grumpy for a few years. We haven't been in the best spot, but we're back, you're back. We're all the way back. The one Dell Robinson. Yeah, the new digs, that's also part of being back. I love the one Dell Robinson signing. It's no secret we're Kentucky guys. Wandell played here for maybe one of UK's best seasons in a long time, if not ever. And now you're telling me after the great season he had in New York, I get to watch him in Nashville. He's two and a half, three hours from his hometown in Frankfort, Kentucky. And another weapon for Cam Ward. You know, they loaded up on defense, made a lot of moves, I like a lot of it. But the Juan Delwin really stuck out to me and says a lot with Brian Dabo coming over as offensive coordinator from New York, how, how much he really believed in him too. Because that wasn't a well kept secret. The moment Davo got the job, there were whispers he's bringing Robinson with him.

[Billy Rutledge]

1,000 yards last year. The smallest guy to do that in a while and maybe he can do it again. I love the addition of Wandell Robinson and don't undersell it, Drew. You were in Nashville last week and the Titans surprised you with cheerleaders and a new uniform with your name on the back.

[Drew Franklin]

That was wild. I mean, the super bowl thing still has me grinning from ear to ear, but we were just at the SEC tournament week ago in Nashville. We do our show at Tin Roof on Broadway before every UK game. This year was very early in the morning. Kentucky playing the first game every day. So our KSR show was there at 8am local time every morning. I'm there Friday. Just thinking it's regular Day. Got my coffee, got my Kentucky gear in, and the other guys keep talking about a surprise at 9:30. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. Guess they're not going to tell me. And as it goes on and on, I'm wondering, am I involved in this surprise? Because everyone's talking about it, but no one is really including me in the conversations. And then I look up and there's a commotion in the very back of the bar. I see what looks to be the Titans cheerleaders and I thought, well, that's weird. I mean, if the Kentucky cheerleaders came here, that would make sense. Play here in an hour. Why are the Titans cheerleaders walking? And as they get closer and closer, I think even say on the radio, are they here for me? They walk up to the stage and presented me with the new Titans uniform, which had just been released the night before at a big party in Nashville. I couldn't even get in.

[Billy Rutledge]

I tried.

[Drew Franklin]

It was so popular. Cover zero couldn't even get in the house. But then they surprised me the next morning and I heard through the grapevine, you played a role in setting that up. So thank you. And to the Titans. I was absolutely blown away by that surprise last Friday.

[Billy Rutledge]

Yeah, I was really happy for you. The Titans reached out to me. I didn't have to give them my digital business card. They just looked up my number on LinkedIn. So I guess more power to them. But we are luckily able to make it work. So now what do you think of the uniform and the logo? You can't badmouth it now, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I certainly couldn't badmouth it now. I genuinely like it. I will say I'm gonna miss the Navy a little bit. I hope we do an alternate of throwbacks with some navy because it's always been the two tone blue for me now I've enjoyed the Oilers alternate throwbacks. Don't get me wrong, I like these, but they have gone all in on the throwbacks. Might even be needling Houston a little bit as they fight over that. So I do like them. But I hope the Navy isn't gone

[Billy Rutledge]

forever and it's one more year at Nissan Stadium before the new stadium, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And I drove by that thing. My goodness, it had been a while since I'd been to Nashville and it is coming along, you know, sitting right next to the old one that's in pretty rough shape and it is a monster and I can't wait for it to be done and get inside there. I almost bought season tickets I wanted to be on the ground floor of something. You know, you got friends who are like, my grandpa had the first seat in Rupp arena and it's passed down. I thought, you know what? I don't really have a connection UK's work. I love UK, but I don't get to buy tickets and do the fan experience. So when the Titans announced this new stadium, I thought this is my chance to be the part of a part of something. At the beginning, I went down there to the Titans house. I did the tour where you can pick your seat. Went through the whole process. They called me 42 times. And then at the end of the day, I realized that two of my best friends in Nashville bought six tickets each and I thought, why would I need tickets if they do? So the dream of me having my own PSL died, but I'm still very excited to see that and be a part of it. Even if I didn't fully commit. I thought it'd be, you know, living three and a half hours away, be a tough commute to make home games.

[Billy Rutledge]

Well, people with without short term memory loss will remember that the Titans kind of broke up with you last year and the Bills had quite the pitch to get you to come to Buffalo. So you've really, I guess, come full circle with the Titans now. We're back, back in the good graces.

[Drew Franklin]

I do think there might have been. They saw my flirtation with Buffalo. I enjoyed being a part of Bill's mafia. They still live in my heart. But you know, my real love reminded me that we have a real love.

[Billy Rutledge]

You got dressed up, went out to the bar.

[Drew Franklin]

The Titans saw my wandering ey and they said, hey, lock in. We're on the couch tonight watching Love is Blind marathon. We're, we're in a relationship. I'm glad you, you think Buffalo's cute, but stay right here and I'm not going anywhere. But that really was cool that the Titans did that and thank you for setting it up.

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[Drew Franklin]

We're not just going to go over all of free agency. We got to get to the Camhardt interview again. I love that we're doing a little Fighting Irish captain here on St. Patrick's Day.

[Billy Rutledge]

And these interviews on the last day were a little different. Right. We had much less preparation time. They were kind of throwing us names we hadn't heard of before we got up there. And honestly, Drew, I think they all turned out like we got some interesting conversation out of every interview.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, they were great. Day one, we were starstruck because we didn't even know what we were walking into. They have a set there with our names on it, and we're like, what is going on? And the next thing you know, you're talking to Terrell Davis. The first interview we do, then you got Bryce Young, Chris. I mean, we are justour brains are spinning. Like, how did we get here? By day three, we had kind of gotten the routine and we had a full list, five or six guys, which we're going to replay throughout the summer. And not that they were like secondary in our brains, but we had kind of settled in a little bit. And then they were all awesome and a lot of them really funny, including Cam Hart had some great moments. I talked about being out in LA with the Chargers where we've always wondered if they have fans. I believe we talked a little Mike McDaniel with him as he goes out there. So everyone sit back, take a listen. Cornerback Cam Hart from the Irish on St Patrick's Day when Billy didn't decide, decided not to wear green. Go back to San Francisco with us. Here's KSR Cam Hart.

[Matt Jones]

All right, we are back with Cam Hart. He is the defensive back for the LA Chargers. I'm going to go ahead and tell you the normal thing here to do would be to start talking about football.

[Cam Hart]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And I'm going to.

[Cam Hart]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just going to warn you, I saw you have a political science degree, so I'm going to make you rough up on little politics here, because that's kind of my bag. And you probably don't get asked a lot about that.

[Cam Hart]

I don't. I don't.

[Matt Jones]

But we will get to that in a minute. You Chargers this year, tough ending to the season, but I thought in a lot of ways took a bunch of steps forward with the new coach. Tell me about the difference in the philosophies and how and how this season went for you guys.

[Cam Hart]

I think it was just a building point, honestly. Obviously, like you said, it didn't end how we wanted to end. I, I much rather be getting ready for the game right now than being here. But, like, I think we're turning in the right direction. I think the hires that we made this offseason with Mike McDaniel and Chris O' Leary are two great hires. And are you gonna make fun of

[Matt Jones]

the way Mike McDaniel dresses?

[Cam Hart]

I won't make fun of it, no.

[Matt Jones]

I, like, just have him get a little bit longer pants. Can you. I mean, you, you got. I mean, but he's on the other side, so he's not, like, we just tell him, like, the glasses and the, like, looking like he's on the ones and twos.

[Cam Hart]

I like it. You got to be yourself, man. You got to be yourself.

[Drew Franklin]

On a serious note, you all had some unfortunate luck with injuries this year. That it really held you back. Seemed like every Sunday, it hearing about another offensive line injury on one hand, you know, how much do you think that really impacted you? And two, did they ever ask you to block in practice because they were short on bodies so much?

[Cam Hart]

Man, I would have did it. I would have did it. I do anything to protect that dude, Justin. But no, yeah, I think it impacted us a lot. I mean, you lose two all Pro tackles, I mean, that's going to impact any NFL, any, Any football team, honestly. And then I think we had, like, nine different combination of offensive line. And no offensive line is a position where, like, camaraderie is a big thing. And just having that many different combinations, it has to be tough on those dudes. I witnessed it firsthand, and, yeah, I mean, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do it. But, yeah.

[Billy Rutledge]

Tell me a little bit about Notre Dame. You were a captain there, right?

[Drew Franklin]

I was, yeah.

[Billy Rutledge]

So, like, was that important to you? I mean, did that mean a lot? And how did you take on that leadership role?

[Cam Hart]

That's something I remember for the rest of my life. I mean, being a captain, normal. And I, I, I, I. That wasn't one of my dreams. That wasn't something that I thought that was possible, but it just happened. And just having the respect and respect for my teammates and the coaches, that's a big thing for me, and I'll carry that for the rest of my life.

[Matt Jones]

Coach Freeman's hairline. Okay. It's absolutely like, it's perfection. It really is perfection.

[Cam Hart]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Do. How much time do we spend. Do you think he spends working on that? Of. Because I will say to you, he's the first. He's the first coach that I was watching a game with a woman I was dating and she was like, who's that?

[Cam Hart]

No, I wouldn't say first. I think he gets his haircut probably three times a week.

[Matt Jones]

Three?

[Cam Hart]

Yeah. Yeah, he gets, he gets it touched up a couple times a week. Three times a week he gets it touched up. And the barber, that, that, that, that does it. He's pretty good. He cuts everybody on two.

[Matt Jones]

What makes him so successful? Likewise.

[Cam Hart]

He. Yes, he's very personable. You can go to Coach Freeman about anything. And I think he understands his players, and I think that's a huge thing about coaching, understanding who you're working with. A lot of coaches, I don't know if they spend the time understanding their, their players. They just. Oh, I don't know. I don't, I don't want to get into that, but I think Coach Freeman.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I like to get into it. But I mean, college is a different thing, right? So college, there's a lot of times I think college, college coaches, they, they feel like they're more the authority figure versus the younger guys, where in the pros, it's almost like, yeah, you're almost

[Cam Hart]

like a mutual respect thing.

[Matt Jones]

A mutual respect thing. And so it does seem like Freeman takes that attitude. I feel like he would be successful in the NFL. Do you think he would?

[Cam Hart]

I believe so. I think this, how this, like you said, I think he takes that mutual respect approach and in college and I don't know when he's going to be. Make that jump or if he's going to make that jump, but I do think that he would be successful in the NFL. He's played in the NFL. He has experience and he understands what it's what it's like to be a player at a high level. So I think he'll be successful.

[Drew Franklin]

You play a position that's known, do a little trash talk, not saying you in particular, but traditionally a little bit trash talk on the, on the end. So do you like to get into That a little bit. And who's a receiver that is as good at giving it back?

[Cam Hart]

I would say this year it's not a lot of receivers that talk trash, honestly. Really, you're shutting them up. Or maybe I just be shut up. I, I, I just stay in my bag. But Stefon Diggs talks a lot of trash.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Cam Hart]

We, we went to the same high school, so that was, that was a battle that I always look forward to. And I finally got the opportunity to, to guard him. And yeah, we were talking.

[Drew Franklin]

Who's ever had some juice to the game? The talking?

[Cam Hart]

Yeah, it does, it does.

[Matt Jones]

Who's the receiver on the other side that you see? And I'm not saying you're scared of him, but you're the one that goes. That's going to be my toughest matchup. That's the one that is going to push me to the limit. The most

[Cam Hart]

two guys come to mind or three guys come to my Jamar Chase, Puka, Nakua and jsn.

[Matt Jones]

But now those are three very different types of receivers. What makes them each so difficult?

[Cam Hart]

I think Puka and Jamar Chase are very similar. This what they can do after the catch. And then jsn, he's just very creative in his route running. He makes everything looks the same. I played him in college, I'm going to play him next year. But I think he makes everything looks the same and just very deceptive how he runs rounds.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so I want you to be able to take up for a group of people that have been often criticized on this show. I used to always say that I never met a Chargers fan. I did that literally, like, of all the 32 fan bases, the one fan base that I'd never met was a Chargers fan.

[Cam Hart]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

You know, you used to have them in San Diego, but then they moved.

[Cam Hart]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Take up for the Chargers fan base. People always say, oh, they have no home field advantage.

[Cam Hart]

If you look at the attendance from the NFL, Chargers is top 10.

[Drew Franklin]

Boom. Eat those numbers.

[Cam Hart]

There you go. There you go. No, the charges. I mean, the fan base have backed us all year. I think it's continuing to grow. I mean, we're freshly new in Los Angeles over the past five years. So, like, I just think it's continued to growing. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

How cool was the international game y' all played in the beginning of the year?

[Cam Hart]

It was pretty cool just being in Brazil. I mean, you look at the stands and you see all different types of jerseys. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they don't necessarily just wear the jerseys of the teams playing. They just. You'll see a C.H.

[Cam Hart]

bailey jersey up there.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Cam Hart]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

All right. So Justin Herbert comes in and says, hey, guys, got a new lady. Her name's. Her name's Madison Beer. What's the locker room's reaction when he comes in with, you know, kind of a famous new. New lady?

[Cam Hart]

Honestly, I didn't know until the. I didn't know till it was on social media.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Cam Hart]

Like Dustin, he's a. He's a very quiet guy. I mean, you know, he doesn't. He. He doesn't talk about much other than football in the locker room. He's about his business. And once social media started posting, that's when I found out about it. So.

[Matt Jones]

So then do people give him a hard time? They're like. Or are they trying to get hooked up?

[Drew Franklin]

Probably trying to get hooked up with

[Cam Hart]

their friends and whatnot. Yeah.

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[Drew Franklin]

Is Harbaugh just always drinking milk behind the scenes? Well, he's a myth.

[Matt Jones]

He's a big cat.

[Drew Franklin]

Khaki.

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He's A khaki pants milk guy. He's one of those people.

[Drew Franklin]

Does he just have a gallon of milk all the time or do you have not seen that?

[Cam Hart]

I've never seen.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Cam Hart]

Probably drink anything milk.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

But I mean there's a Michigan, Notre Dame thing that used to be kind of a little bit of a rivalry. Do you, do you guys, you ever talk trash?

[Cam Hart]

I personally hate Michigan.

[Matt Jones]

Oh really?

[Cam Hart]

I hate Michigan.

[Matt Jones]

Why do you hate Michigan?

[Cam Hart]

I, I think because I want to go to Michigan in high school and they coach hard about enough for me.

[Matt Jones]

Oh no, wait a minute, wait a minute. So wait, you wanted to go to Michigan?

[Cam Hart]

I did.

[Matt Jones]

Harbaugh doesn't recruit you. So I guess when you're at Notre Dame you're kind of like blank. That, that Jim Harbaugh.

[Cam Hart]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And then all of a sudden then

[Cam Hart]

I grows your coach.

[Matt Jones]

How do you get over that?

[Drew Franklin]

You talk about it?

[Cam Hart]

No, I, I, well, I asked the wife.

[Matt Jones]

I can help you all bring that together. But what did he say? Why didn't he.

[Cam Hart]

I don't remember what he said. I think he was like I, you, you wasn't going to come to Whiskers. Something like, something like that. Something, some ds. But I've grown, I've grown to love Coach Harbor. I mean the dude knows how to win. All he cares about is football. And that's all you can ask for at coach.

[Matt Jones]

All right, last, last question. It politics. Your political science major. Now I'm not going to ask you who you voted for.

[Cam Hart]

No, no.

[Matt Jones]

Because I will judge you if you went the other way. But, but, but did you, do you follow it? I mean like you don't see a lot of football players, players who majored in political science. So do you, so do you follow what's going on in the world?

[Cam Hart]

Well one, that was my. I always wanted to go to law school.

[Matt Jones]

I went to law school.

[Cam Hart]

So yeah, okay, okay. I always wanted to go to law school and that was the fashion track at Notre Dame. Go law school just to get your, your, I guess reading, writing, all that stuff. But no, I don't follow politics as much as you would think. So I think this, it was very polarized, rising.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. You're a unified.

[Cam Hart]

The word is crazy. And I think the more people talk about the more the crazier it gets. I guess so I just try to stay away from it. I'm. I'm up to date with what's going on but I don't give my opinion on it much ever.

[Matt Jones]

I understand. Well, I can tell you one Thing you did do correctly was not becoming a lawyer. I was a lawyer for a few years, and it's the one worst. So you had a much better.

[Cam Hart]

I want to be an agent. I want to go to law school and become.

[Matt Jones]

You could still do that. But you see the agents walking around here, they all kind of look a little sleazy, don't they? Don't they maybe Sleazy? Busy, busy. Cam Hart, thank you very much.

[Drew Franklin]

We appreciate it.

[Cam Hart]

No, I appreciate y'. All. Thank y'. All.

[Drew Franklin]

All right. A great interview with Cam Hart. As we promised, Billy's still not wearing green. I tried to find him a button as that was playing. But you enjoyed the Camhart interview. It's another. That's when we moved to that. That other stage with the comfortable seating. We were kind of more in our zone there, too, I think.

[Billy Rutledge]

Yeah, the lounge.

[Drew Franklin]

The lounge, as they call it.

[Billy Rutledge]

I mean, we had two different sets to choose from, and we. I think we hit our stride on that final day. Learned a lot of interesting things about these guys. And look, I'm going to be rooting for Camhart now over the Chargers. They're going to be making some noise. Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert. So I think we'll have to keep an eye on him.

[Drew Franklin]

Absolutely. Keep an eye on Cover zero, because we're going to keep releasing these interviews from the Super Bowl. In our lead up to the NFL draft, today was Cam Ward. Next week, we'll have Browns cornerback Denzel Ward. Ward, who tells us all about what it's like playing in Cleveland. I remember asking him a lot of Miles Garrett questions because I want to know what it's like working alongside that beast of a human being.

[Billy Rutledge]

And I think we talked some fashion with him, too, because he had diamonds in his hair. Anybody, Somebody. Anytime somebody shows up with diamonds in the hair, you got to get some fashion advice. So looking forward to that.

[Drew Franklin]

Of course. And if we're lucky enough to go back to the super bowl next year, I will have diamonds in my cubic zirconium. I don't know that I'll do actual diamonds, but we will. We will try to mimic the look, cuz he looks so good. But for now, this is your Camhart interview. Happy St. Patrick's Day. Matt should be back next week. If not, do we have issues with him not getting back from Bristol. But thanks for listening to another episode for Drew Franklin. Billy, our sports. We'll talk to you again next week with Denzel Ward from the Browns.

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NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin. Is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. For more podcast from iHeartra Radio, visit the iHeartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

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