NFL Cover Zero: NFL Week 5 Upsets, Statements Wins, and MVP Race

Summary

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NFL Cover Zero: NFL Week 5 Upsets, Statement Wins & MVP Race

Podcast: KSR (iHeartPodcasts / Sports Talk 790 WKRD-AM)
Hosts: Matt Jones, Drew Franklin, Billy
Air Date: October 6, 2025
Episode: NFL Week 5 Upsets, Statement Wins, and MVP Race

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Episode Overview

This Week 5 edition of NFL Cover Zero is a whirlwind through one of the wildest NFL Sundays in recent memory. Matt Jones and Drew Franklin (joined by Billy) dig into shocking upsets, wild comebacks, and the ever-shifting MVP race. The crew brings energy and humor, breaking down how no team remains undefeated, dissecting big-name performances, and celebrating oddities and narratives from around the league.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The NFL Upset Tsunami

• No More Undefeated Teams:

  • Bills, Eagles, and Cardinals—all big favorites at home—lose (06:00).
  • Matt Jones: “There are no more undefeated teams. That tradition where the '72 Dolphins get together and take a drink? This may be the earliest in any season they've gotten to do that.” (05:42)

• Parody and Power Ranking Chaos:

  • Five games featured double-digit comeback wins. Survivor pools decimated—upwards of 70% eliminated due to top upsets (12:23).
  • Drew Franklin: “NFL parody reigns. If we did our power rankings every week… quite a few changes week in, week out.” (07:01)

2. Game-by-Game Highlights

Patriots Upset Bills 20-17 (02:09-12:25)

• Drake May’s Breakout Performance:

  • No TDs but several jaw-dropping throws—including a rollout with a stiff-arm.
  • Drew: "The play that made Chris Collinsworth feel tingly—that’s a Mahomes/Allen-esqe play.” (09:43)
  • Matt: “If I'm a Patriots fan, I'm comfortable knowing we have Drake May for a long time as our quarterback.” (09:31)

• Bills' Struggles:

  • Concerns over their receivers’ lack of separation since Stefon Diggs’ departure.
  • Matt: “Their cast of wide receivers, especially with Diggs on the other team, just don’t have guys who can get separation.” (10:58)

Broncos Rally Past Eagles 21-17 (12:45-16:13)

• Bo Nix Shines in Statement Win:

  • Three scoring drives in the fourth quarter, including a gutsy 2-point try by Sean Payton.
  • Drew: “That was an amazing call in that moment… If they don’t get it and lose by one, you’re opening yourself to a ton of criticism.” (15:09)

• Eagles' Chemistry Issues:

  • A.J. Brown’s visible frustration and apparent quit on a route highlighted.
  • Drew: “A.J. Brown quit on that route. He just quit.” (13:20)
  • Matt: “This is receiver behavior. You’re not having the stats you want? You’re going to pout and call out your quarterback.” (13:52)

Buccaneers Top Seahawks 38-35 in Shootout (18:31-25:25)

• Baker Mayfield’s Heroics:

  • Four comeback wins—all in the final minute.
  • Matt: “They’re just a team that every single game, you’ve wanted to watch their finish.” (20:10)

• Darnold & Mayfield Redemption Game:

  • Both QBs (former Panthers) light up defenses, over 750 combined passing yards.
  • MVP talk: Baker in the top 5 conversation alongside Josh Allen, Mahomes, and Dak Prescott (21:34–23:16).

• Artistic Uniforms:

  • Praise for throwback Creamsicle Bucs and vintage Seahawks looks—hosts plead for permanent return (24:39–25:21).

Vikings Edge Browns 21-17 in London (31:24-36:26)

• Wentz vs. McCarthy Dilemma:

  • Carson Wentz leads game-winning drive; suspense on whether J.J. McCarthy reclaims QB1.

• Jordan Addison’s Night Out:

  • Suspended one quarter after a wild night in London, then scores the game-winner.
  • Matt: “As someone who has an appreciation for what he did—was he out clubbing until 5 a.m.?” (34:47)

• Camera Wire Controversy:

  • Kicked ball hit a camera cable; no one noticed live, but rules allow for a retry.

Texans Rout Ravens 44-10 (38:33-42:17)

• Ravens Defensive Collapse:

  • Once the NFL’s gold-standard D, now lowest-rated.
  • Matt: “Ed Reed and Ray Lewis should be allowed to walk into the locker room and smack all of them in the face.” (39:10)

• Mocking with Ray Lewis Dance:

  • Texans rookie taunts by celebrating with the Ray Lewis dance.
  • Drew: “Why is it disrespectful to do the Ray Lewis dance in Baltimore?” (39:52)

Other Games in Brief

• Giants-Saints: Jackson Dart throws two picks; Saints notch their first win in 11 tries with a drafted QB (43:36)
• Cowboys Beat Jets: Dak Prescott's MVP season continues; Jets still turnover-less (45:25-47:17)
• Colts Dominate Raiders: Jonathan Taylor with three TDs; concerns about aging coaches like Pete Carroll (49:25-51:12)
• Panthers Upset Dolphins: Rico Dowdle’s 200+ yards, Eric Collins’ raucous announcing debut in the NFL (57:29-60:01)
• Commanders Crush Chargers: Jacory Crosky-Merritt (“Bill”) emerges; postgame sideline kissing debate with Justin Herbert & Madison Beer (69:36-72:25)
• Bengals Struggles: Jake Browning looks lost, prompting speculation about trading for Jameis Winston (73:48-75:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Drake May's Arrival:
  • “This felt like a Drake May prime time party.” —Matt Jones (08:22)
  • “He had at least three throws where you get really excited about him as a quarterback… like a Mahomes/Allen-esqe play.” —Matt Jones (10:32)
• Upset Stats:
  • “You had five different games today, there was double-digit deficits where a team came back and won. That’s a crazy statistic.” —Matt Jones (05:29)
• Survivor Pool Carnage:
  • “I think at the one in Circa, the big one, maybe 70% of all entries went out today.” —Drew Franklin (12:25)
• The Art of Officiating:
  • “It was like a magical ballet moment—all three officials threw the flag in the air in sequence.” —Drew Franklin, on the “artistic” simultaneous flags (23:24)
• "Off the Heasy":
  • Billy's attempt to coin a term for a ball bouncing off a helmet; no one quite buys it. (18:59)
• Eric Collins (Panthers Announcer):
  • Matt: “He’s kind of like Gus Johnson—when something happens, he just loses it.” (58:57)
  • Drew: "If you're giving me that for Panthers-Dolphins, what am I going to get in the Super Bowl?" (60:01)
• Player Practicalities:
  • “If I’m a professional athlete, I don’t care what the shoe looks like. Please protect my feet!” —Matt Jones, on Jaden Blue’s Louis Vuitton cleats/blisters (47:36)
• Ball on the Ground Chaos:
  • “Why is it when a ball hits the ground, they become the clumsiest people on the planet?” —Drew Franklin (65:50)

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MVP Race: The Early Pack (21:34-23:19)

• Current Leaders (per the hosts):

  • Josh Allen
  • Jonathan Taylor
  • Patrick Mahomes
  • Dak Prescott
  • Baker Mayfield

• Running Backs Rarely Win:

  • “Here’s what’s going to happen with Jonathan Taylor… there’s going to be a push to include him, but it’s just a quarterback award.” —Matt Jones (22:51)

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Other Engaging/Amusing Threads

• Bo Nix & Theo Von Comparison:

  • Drew: “Everything about Theo Von makes me not want to like him—and I feel that way about Bo Nix as a quarterback. And yet, they both win me over.” (16:13-17:47)

• Throwback Uniform Fandom:

  • Strong support for Creamsicle Tampa Bay and old-school Seahawks kits, with a call for full-time returns (24:54–25:25).

• Sideline Kissing & Family Time Debate:

  • Extended riff on whether pre-game PDA is professional for NFL QBs—using Justin Herbert and Madison Beer as the jumping-off point (69:36–71:43).

• Parcheesi Tangent:

  • The panel admits no one actually knows how to play this “old man” board game. Billy gamely reads off play-by-play instructions (51:12–53:00).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Patriots stun Bills: 07:13–12:25
• Broncos beat Eagles, Bo Nix discussion: 12:45–18:13
• Bucs-Seahawks thriller, uniforms talk: 18:31–25:25
• Vikings-Browns in London, Addison's antics: 31:24–36:26
• Texans thrash Ravens, Ray Lewis dance debate: 38:33–42:17
• Dak & Cowboys dismantle Jets: 45:25–47:17
• Jaden Blue’s LV Cleats/blisters story: 46:33–48:49
• Commanders vs Chargers, kissing debate: 69:36–72:25
• Bengals’ offensive woes and Jake Browning: 73:48–75:40
• AFC North collapse: 76:15–77:07

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Closing Notes

• The episode closes with the hosts debating the collapse of the once-vaunted AFC North and teasing a future appearance by Panthers (and NBA Hornets) announcer Eric Collins (“If we have him, I’m going to ask him: ‘Son, do you need to calm down just a little?’” —Drew, 61:44).

• Billy: “You’re talking to the guy that’s gotten a lot of stuff done on this podcast.” (60:52)

• Final tribute to the now-defunct “Meow Mix” Panthers podcast—hosts joke that its end inspired Carolina’s big upset win (77:29–78:12).

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, quick-witted, with irreverent sports bar banter
• Spirited debates, personal anecdotes, and lighthearted analogies underpin serious football analysis

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Recommended for: Anyone who wants a fast-paced, street-level breakdown of every significant NFL storyline from a wild Week 5—equal parts insight, humor, and highlight reel.

Transcript

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Nationwide Investment Services Corporation Ember Finra Columbus, Ohio NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and Iheart Podcast. Okay, Week five NFL Cover Zero Podcast. I'm Matt Jones. Drew Franklin it is. We're taping this about 11:35 at night. They've just finished Sunday Night Football. The Patriots with a huge upset on the road, take out the Bills in what is a huge upset day all around. Three massive upsets. The three biggest spreads each Went the other way. Drew back from South Africa. Excited to be with you. You're wearing a Titan's hat because your team actually won a game today, which is exciting. Good to see you. After all, that's after three weeks on the.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. It's nice to do this in person again. I'm surprised we actually managed to get through it without many technical difficulties.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, it was started. Oh, you mean when I was gone.

[Matt Jones]

While you were gone. But I'm saying it's much. Yeah, obviously we don't have technical differences right now. It's one minute in, but. No, it's good to have you here. And I'm amazed we were able to get through the South Africa trip as easily as we did. We were.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, it was. It was kind of. Kind of amazing. We got through it. You know, started in Cape Town, the city on the southwestern corner of the. Of the globe. You know, my tour guide got very angry that I said on this show that it was the southernmost tip of Africa. He was like, the Cape of Good Hope is the southwestern most tip of Africa. So I want to be clear for all the geography people that it wasn't the southern, it was the southwestern. Then went and saw the animals at the safari and then went to Johannesburg, or as the locals call it, Jo Burg. Oh, Jo Burgh, they call it. They don't have time for the Hannes.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, just shorten that up a little bit.

[Drew Franklin]

Just where you got places to be. You can't say Johannesburg, you say. You say Joburg.

[Matt Jones]

Well, Wednesday we did the show without you. We were wondering how you could possibly travel for a day without a phone. So that had to have been excruciating on a. On how long Was that flight?

[Drew Franklin]

16 hours without a phone. I did. I had it. I had an iPad. So I watched. I'm watching the show next. Have you seen the show next on hbo? Max or no. Task.

[Matt Jones]

Task. Say next.

[Drew Franklin]

I knew it was one word. Task.

[Matt Jones]

I haven't seen that one either.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay. Better than Next. I do recommend it. It's about, you know, an FBI agent and criminals and all that, but it's. It's. It's really. It's really good. So I did that. Finished the Gilded Age. And, you know, 16 hour flight's a long flight.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, we're worried about you. That's a long time. Just glad you had the iPad. We were wondering if you were just staring at the headrest.

[Drew Franklin]

Raw, dogging it, just staring straight ahead.

[Matt Jones]

Waiting lines for boarding passes. All the fun stuff.

[Drew Franklin]

They, you know, you feel like after 16 hours, I'd been on the plane like six hours. No one had offered me a drink of anything. So I walked up to the flight attendant and I said, could I get some water? I didn't even ask for anything, I just asked for water. And she just points and goes, there's a bottle over there somewhere.

[Matt Jones]

The water fountain in the back.

[Drew Franklin]

Just some dripping from the ceiling if you want it. But nevertheless, here. Glad to be here. And what a day in the NFL. So I mentioned the three biggest spread teams, the Bills, the Eagles and the Cardinals. All lose. All lose at home. Actually you had five different games today. There was double digit deficits that a team was down where they came back and then won the game, which is a pretty crazy statistic. And we now are five weeks into the season and there are no more undefeated teams. And you know, which means that tradition that's been going on where what is the 72 dolphins get together and they all take a drink. That's probably, this may be the earliest in any season they've gotten to do that. Assuming there are some of them that are still alive.

[Matt Jones]

They're probably right now popping champagne since that game just ended.

[Drew Franklin]

But this weekend, Citizen center in Boca.

[Matt Jones]

Ray, this weekend last for a reminder that the NFL, you know, there are.

[Drew Franklin]

You never know, teams are good, but.

[Matt Jones]

Any Sunday, nobody go down.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean like nobody, nobody's unbeatable. I mean, think about it. You have. Let's just look at the Bills and the Eagles, I mean Broncos and the Patriots, both going to those two teams. You know, those are solid playoff contending teams. But you assume, well, you're at home, if you're great, you're going to win. They both end up losing. And you know, now like I said, no one is undefeated. The jets are the only team without a win. So NFL parody reigns.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, if we did our power rankings every week, it'd be quite a few changes week, week in, week out. You know, a team I had second for many weeks might not be top 15 now at this point. It's just, we've had some wild results the last couple weeks.

[Drew Franklin]

We have. So I, we should probably just start with the game that just ended, which was the Patriots. Drake May comes down, gets a drive, leads to a field goal. They beat the Bills on the road. Throughout the second half of this game, I just kept thinking, okay, here's where, here's, here's where the Bills get it right? Here's where they end up making the run. Here's where they, here's where Josh Allen does something. And then the Patriots kept making plays. Huge defensive stop on some passes on the. On the Bills drive led to a field goal. And then Drake May makes a couple of amazing throws, including one that gave us the Chris Collinsworth. Oh, he got, he gave us with. Oh, Drake. Drake May. So you got that, which was exciting.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Drake May didn't throw a touchdown, but he had some great throws tonight. It felt like, you know, Drake May's been good all season. I think he's top five in quarterback rating. But this felt like. You're still laughing.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, that was just an interesting way to put it.

[Matt Jones]

This felt like a Drake May prime time party.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he's been good all year, but.

[Matt Jones]

This was like his, his big moment of I'm breaking through and I want to be one of the stars too.

[Drew Franklin]

I realized they showed him on the screen and it occurred to me that I wasn't 100% sure what he looked like. Like. And it's. No, I mean, I mean, I'm serious. I. You know, he doesn't have a face that I think most people. Do you think fans would have known his face? You don't see a lot of Drake May commercials. Right. He's pretty average and he just looks like a guy. And they showed him up there. I was like, oh, okay. This is definitely his, his breakout performance. You know, there are all these second year quarterbacks. There would have been one ranking of them coming into the year. I wonder if it'll be a different one this time. But, you know, in both of these games where teams went on the road and got the victory, it's second year quarterbacks making the plays. Bo Nix against the Eagles and then Drake made a night.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, just. Just felt like a statement game for him. It helps. You know, doing it against Josh Allen in Buffalo adds to it in the division.

[Drew Franklin]

So are you a believer in. Well, first of all, you believe her in. In Drake May specifically?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think he's already answered a lot of questions so far this year. His stats have been pretty awesome through five weeks. But tonight, especially if I'm a Patriots fan, I'm comfortable knowing that we have Drake May for a long time as our quarterback.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I mean, he's. This. The. The Bills, since they kind of had taken over the division, have. Have owned the Patriots and you get it, you get them on the road. Now, I will go ahead and go on record as saying I will bet any amount of money that anyone wants to put on that the Bills go win in New England. Anybody want to book that Bet the Bills will win the repeat game in New England. But it is, it is a welcome to relevance again to the Patriots victory. What the plays down the stretch though. The play that made. That made Chris Collinsworth feel tingly. Thoughts. That was an amazing throw. I mean he's sitting there stiff arming him with one hand, falling down, throwing throws it up and hits it perfectly. That's. I mean that's a, that's a Mahomes Allen s play.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it's not just that he won the game and his stats are good. He had at least three throws where you get really excited about him as a corporate that one with the stiff arm they got Collins worth extra excited. There's another going viral now where it's kind of the camera behind him in the end zone where he throws one to digs downfield and then also driving down the field and set up that that game when he feel goal he had another great throw. So he just couple highlight real plays in addition to a good game all the way around.

[Drew Franklin]

It's interesting watching the Bills like their receivers don't get open. I mean at the end like Josh Allen gives them, he scrambles and gets so much time on the drive where they tied the game. There were three straight plays where he had six or seven seconds to get the ball off and his receivers just don't get open. I think sometimes with him and this was like this with the Chiefs last year, the quarterback is so good that we don't sit there and say who is he throwing it to? Because the Bills cast of wide receivers, especially with Stefan Diggs on the other team, you see they just don't have guys who can get separation.

[Matt Jones]

I was about to add that adding to not having the separation you want, you have Diggs. They have like 150 yards tonight. I know it's been a while since he was a Bill, but that was their guy for a long time and kind of a big breakout game for him with the Patriots too. You might have a little Drake May Stefan Diggs tandem that could. Could have something going for a little while.

[Drew Franklin]

Do you. Does this change your view at all in the Bills? You just go hey it's one game. Who cares?

[Matt Jones]

Not at all. I mean no one's going undefeated anymore. You got to lose somewhere. I wouldn't have thought it would have been at home but you know Patriots are a good team. It doesn't shock me that this happened.

[Drew Franklin]

Some of somebody was going to get them survivor pools.

[Matt Jones]

Tough day for those.

[Drew Franklin]

Thankfully for us we forget we. I wasn't able to be here Wednesday, so we didn't have to do it because we might. Drew, I guess. Billy, you and I are the only two left. Drew's out. But you and I both might have both gotten eliminated.

[Billy]

We got lucky. A lot of upsets today.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, but. So survivor pools, I think I saw at the one is circa the big one. Maybe 70% of all entries went out today, so.

[Matt Jones]

Because.

[Drew Franklin]

Because the top three choices all lost.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. It's only be five weeks in the season. We've had at least two Sundays where the mega favorite, you know, more than a touchdown favorite, lost outright.

[Drew Franklin]

So Bill's out. Earlier in the day. The Eagles lose at home to the Broncos 2117 Eagles were up 173 to start the game. The offense was just cooking. I mean, they were getting drives. They were actually getting A.J. brown the ball, which made him not whine. What is it? I don't understand? What, they won the super bowl and they were four. No. And he's still whining. That's your. Gets your guy. Why is he like that?

[Matt Jones]

He wants the ball after the game. On the play where, you know, it's kind of questionable that he let up or it hurts over.

[Drew Franklin]

Did let up.

[Matt Jones]

He denies it though. He. After the game.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, what's he going to say, I didn't let up? I mean, A.J. brown quit on that route. He just quit.

[Matt Jones]

Well, if you disagree.

[Drew Franklin]

Do you disagree?

[Matt Jones]

No, no. But I'm saying after the game he was asked and he said no. He missed me. So that is not going anywhere.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, no. Do you think they don't. Maybe they don't like each.

[Matt Jones]

No, they were buddies. That's how he left the Titans. Jalen Hurts was facetiming them. There was a famous screenshot of them, like, celebrating, okay, but he's a receiver. Receivers, when they're not getting the ball.

[Drew Franklin]

You don't look at your quarterback and say, you miss me. He quit. He quit on that route. He didn't. He died.

[Matt Jones]

But this is a receiver. This is. Any receiver would do this. This is receiver behavior. You're not getting the ball. You're not having the stats you want. You're going to pout and call out your quarterback.

[Drew Franklin]

But you agree that he quit.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's obvious.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, that's what I thought.

[Matt Jones]

But they have. This is. This is not just this week. This. This is brewing with AJ Brown. They beg to figure it out because, I mean, you're a Super bowl contender. Sure, you could win it without him, but you don't need this lingering all year.

[Drew Franklin]

I was arguing on my ESPN show with Meyer Metcalf this morning. I was like, why don't people give the Eagles respect? Everybody talks about how they're not playing well, but they're four. No, they come off super bowl win, and then this is why you see it, because they score 17 points and then they just get mud. They just cannot move the ball. And all those plays that were working with A.J. brown don't work. It was the first time the Broncos have won In Philly since 1986, when John Elway was able to win there. That's a long, long time for a streak of losing. Now, granted, only play there, like every, what, eight years? Okay, so maybe it's not that impressive, but still, it's a long time.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And the most impressive is that they did it. You know, we've had our Bo Nicks jokes here and there, but he was.

[Drew Franklin]

He was great, awesome.

[Matt Jones]

In that fourth quarter, he. I think he only had one incompletion. And they had three straight scoring drives.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, let's talk about those three drives.

[Matt Jones]

A switch and completely changed the game.

[Drew Franklin]

So talk about those three drives at 17, 3, 14 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. He leads him down the field, score 17:10. Then I think it's three and out for the Eagles. Get the ball back to Denver. They drive down and they score. And it's 17, 16. And Sean Payton at that moment, decides to go for two. I am. I am. Mr. Be aggressive. All right. There's no. Especially if you're Denver, you're on the. You know, you're an underdog, Go at it. I couldn't believe they went for two there. I mean, that was an amazing call in that moment, because if they don't get it and you lose by one, you're open yourself to ton of criticism.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that. That shocked a lot of people. Had to be one of those things where he just saw that they were doing whatever they wanted on the Eagles in that fourth quarter in that moment. So you think they had all the moment work that had to have been in, because statistically, I know you're the road team. That's just not something you see done in the pros very often. So it must have just been a coach looking at an Eagles defense that was just on their heels and couldn't get any stops and thought, but let's just see if we can do it one more time. But that was very surprising.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, I don't want to believe in Bo Nix. Bo Nix, for me, is Kind of like Theo Vaughn. So, like, everything about Theo Vaughn makes me want to not like him. All right? He was on Road Rules. A lot of people forget that.

[Matt Jones]

So I know him.

[Drew Franklin]

His standup comedy is awful, and to be fair, has always been awful. He's kind of politically aligned differently than me, and he seems, at times like an idiot. Bo Nick, same way. Okay. Yet when I see Theo Vaughn and I watch clips from his podcast, they make me laugh. He genuinely makes me laugh. And then I see him ask questions, and sometimes I'm like, well, he kind of seems like a good guy, right? And then I see, like, he bombed his Netflix special, and he did, like, an hour long, just sort of explaining how hard things have been and, like, really opening it up. And I was like, well, that's a good characteristic. So I end up going, I shouldn't like Theo Vaughn, but I think I do. Bo Nick's the same way. I don't like the way he plays. I don't think he makes good decisions. And everything I saw at Auburn and Oregon tells me he's not going to be successful. And yet he keeps playing well and he keeps. Keeps winning. And I think he's the OV Me. I think. I think Bo Nix is the ovawing me into liking him.

[Matt Jones]

He needs a mullet. Needs to grow. Mullet. Just go full. Theo.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

He has been a surprise. I mean, you think about how there are stats and how, you know, he started at Auburn as a freshman and felt like he was in college forever, and you just didn't think the NFL career would be there. But he's. He's been passing the test this year.

[Drew Franklin]

But he. That was a. That's a huge victory for them on the road. And between the Broncos and the Patriots, who do you think has a better chance of making noise lean?

[Matt Jones]

The Patriots.

[Drew Franklin]

Really?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I just. Even though Bo Nicks has been good, Drake May tonight really made some throws and passed the test that I think puts him on another tier.

[Drew Franklin]

Bo Vaughan. That's Theo Nixon. Did you see Theo Vaughn when he was on Road Rules back in the day?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I remember that one well. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

And then he just disappeared off the planet. Now he's, you know, the most important guy, just like Bo Nicks. Your Bucks win in Seattle, 38, 35. That was the best game of the day, Drew. Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Really. The question was, who was going to blink? And it was Sam Darnold who throws an interception. Where did you say Billy, earlier you were saying that the interception is off the easy.

[Billy]

Off the easy of the box player and then intercepted the easy. Yeah. You know, basketball. Off the easy move bounces off.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm not familiar.

[Billy]

Oh, no. Yeah, you throw it off of their head. It's called off the heasy.

[Drew Franklin]

That's a move that people do a lot.

[Billy]

I mean, Drew, can you back me up here? Off the easy.

[Matt Jones]

You ever heard that? I mean, I've probably heard off the easy at one point when you. When you said it in conversation about the interception, I had no idea what you're talking about. I didn't know if it was, like, part of the helmet.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I've not heard that used a lot. I watched the game. I did not hear Kevin Harlan say anything was off the easy. But he. But he did throw it off the helmet.

[Matt Jones]

I take off the easy more is like off the hook off. This is off the chain. You know, it's cool. Not literally off the head.

[Drew Franklin]

Is the easy not how Billy used?

[Billy]

Yeah, that's not correct.

[Drew Franklin]

But the Bucks get a field goal at the end, they win this. I actually thought this was a game where both teams come out better, to be honest. I thought they both were impressive. You know, Darnold throws the interception at the end. That's what happens, whatever. But Baker Mayfield, another exciting road victory. They have four wins, Drew. In the last minute, they're four and one. And every game they've won has been in the last minute.

[Matt Jones]

They've been so exciting this year. I'm jealous of Billy. As a Bucks fan, I think I said this last week. They're just a team that this season, every single game, you've wanted to watch their finish. And then today, with it being Darnold versus Mayfield, who had that, being the.

[Drew Franklin]

Showdown in the same draft.

[Billy]

Yep. First.

[Matt Jones]

And they're picks both on the Panthers at the same time.

[Drew Franklin]

That's crazy.

[Matt Jones]

Carolina couldn't get either to work. And then today, they combined for like 750 yards. I believe I saw there was like 10 incompletions between them combined. I mean, they just both put on a great show today. It was an absolute shootout between two guys. If we had said this three years ago that in 2025, we'd watch a Darnold Mayfield Shootout, I don't think anyone would do you.

[Drew Franklin]

When you're Tampa Bay, you say, well, they're 4 and 1. They've won four games in the last minute. But sometimes that stuff regresses to the norm and you end up losing those games. But I think this is an impressive one to go on the Road play in the late slot at Seattle. Get a win. Seattle, I think, is. Is. Has been a sneaky good team that people don't talk about. Darnold just blinks. But Baker Mayfield, you know, he was, what, fifth or sixth in that quarterback poll? I think if you did an MVP race right now, like, Baker wouldn't be a crazy. I mean, think about the MVP for just a second. It's not going to be Lamar, right?

[Matt Jones]

Nope.

[Drew Franklin]

So you got what? Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Daniel Jones can't be Daniel Jones. But I think. But I do think it could be Jonathan Taylor. I think you would say Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Mahomes, and then maybe next Baker Mayfield. I mean, would he be. Would he be for Herbert?

[Matt Jones]

I wouldn't put.

[Drew Franklin]

Herbert had a bad day today.

[Matt Jones]

I wouldn't put Taylor in just because they won't give it to a running back. So Mayfield's certainly in the top five, maybe top three.

[Drew Franklin]

Jones over Jonathan Taylor.

[Matt Jones]

They're not giving it to Jonathan Taylor. I.

[Drew Franklin]

Wait, what? Billy, why does he say they wouldn't give it to Jonathan Taylor? He's been amazing.

[Matt Jones]

Do they ever give it to a running back?

[Drew Franklin]

Often.

[Billy]

Drew's right. They don't give it to a lot of running backs. But he did score three touchdowns today, again. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

I think that. Here's what's going to happen with Jonathan Taylor. You write this down. Jonathan Taylor's probably not going to get it, but there's going to be a lot of people who say, why don't we give this to running backs? And there'll be a push to include Jonathan Taylor for that reason. So if Josh Allen and the Bills drop a couple, if The Colts finished 13 and 4, which I don't think they will, but let's say they do, I think he'll be a contender. But my point is Baker Mayfield, if it was like the Heisman and you invited five people, I think he'd be on the list right now.

[Matt Jones]

On the running back thing is someone that watched Derek Henry do magical things for years and never get considered. They're just never. It's a quarterback award. Is Dak like Henry?

[Drew Franklin]

No. Dax should be on the list. Dak would be. If you were to.

[Matt Jones]

If you were, Dax will lead in the NFL.

[Drew Franklin]

Quarterback, if you're to invite the five people to the finals after five weeks, I think you would invite. You would invite Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Mahomes, Dak and Baker Mayfield.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Baker's got to be in the top five.

[Drew Franklin]

I think. I think that would be the five Right. I mean, Mahomes, I guess, depending how they finish.

[Matt Jones]

Matt Stafford.

[Drew Franklin]

Let's see what happens tomorrow night. But I think that's what. What you would do. A couple things from the game. Did you notice the flag on the head butt of Leonard Williams where all three officials threw the flag in the air sequence? It was like a magical ballet moment. I love that you very rarely get art in a football game. I thought the three flags flying in the air together was art.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know what they call those, but occasionally they have, like, videos online where people will do the same motion at the same time. Like we're living in a simulation. Look at this. That felt like one of those. How all three of them at once, the flags. You could, like put a string across them in the air where they're on the exact level plane. That was maybe one of my favorite highlights of the entire Sunday.

[Drew Franklin]

They could, you know, that it was. It was one of the more impressive art. Probably up until that moment, the best art moment I'd ever seen was when a local museum in town had their grand opening. Actually, we can't talk about what they did.

[Matt Jones]

They did other stuff with Flag.

[Drew Franklin]

They did other stuff that. Yeah, probably not good for this podcast, but nevertheless, this was, I think, right up there with it.

[Matt Jones]

And then if you committed the penalty, though, you're like, yeah, okay. I mean, clearly I messed up everyone at once. Yeah, I'll take it.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. They also wore throwback uniforms that were. Did you like the uniforms for both the Bucks and the Seahawks?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, the Bucks wore these earlier in the year. And I think you asked me what favorites I'd like to see come back, and I said, the Seahawks. I, like, hated them in the early 90s, but it's. It's just weird. Over time, these things come back around. I'm a big throwback guy, and today I like the Creamsicle and the old Hawks. You should just come back. Just make it permanent.

[Billy]

Just make it.

[Drew Franklin]

Do you think Tampa Bay would. Fans would just prefer if that was the. That was the logo now. Yes, but you want a Super bowl with the other one.

[Billy]

We did, but those creams.

[Matt Jones]

Cool.

[Billy]

Oh, and 16 days are long behind us now, so.

[Drew Franklin]

So now you can have.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

By the way, I want to go back. I forgot something on the Broncos Eagles. They showed in the locker room. Sean Payton giving a speech when the game was over. Sean Payton is talking to his team, and it seems like they are being engulfed by wildfire smoke. Have you seen the video of that?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it's. I mean, Sometimes there'll be like some victory cigars. There's, you know, a little smoke in there. Whatever. Have your fun. This. I was watching it, like, do they need to evacuate? Is there a plan in place to get them out of there?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, and it's.

[Matt Jones]

You can barely see them in the camera.

[Drew Franklin]

It felt, and it felt like no one was concerned. So I was wondering, I mean, do we know what was happening? Because even the announcers didn't address it.

[Matt Jones]

I'm going to guess they brought their own fireworks and shot them off inside.

[Billy]

Not as exciting as you might think. Denver has smoke machines that they play.

[Drew Franklin]

After a win in the locker room.

[Billy]

Yes, guess so.

[Drew Franklin]

That's.

[Matt Jones]

That didn't look like. That looked like a dangerous situation. It was dark.

[Drew Franklin]

Wait a minute. So hang on. Just saying. They get into the locker room after the game, a closed space, and somebody just starts shooting smoke into the air.

[Billy]

On the explanation on New York Post, it is smoke machine that Denver has after wins.

[Matt Jones]

Did Lincoln Financial Field approve? This seems like a fire hazard.

[Drew Franklin]

I can't imagine. The players are like, you know, they win and everybody just. And you just smoke comes flying at you. Excuse me. That's something for fans. That's not for us. You're saying they do that every game after every win.

[Matt Jones]

So there's probably someone on staff whose job is to carry smoke machine to away locker rooms and make sure they have smoke ready.

[Drew Franklin]

What a bizarre celebration. That's what it would be like shooting off fireworks inside.

[Matt Jones]

I don't approve of this.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, well, go look at that video. It's. It does not look like a situation that you would, you would recommend.

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[Matt Jones]

His boy dg.

[Drew Franklin]

Were you impressed?

[Matt Jones]

If I was a Browns fan, yeah. I mean it's better than Flacco. I mean you didn't win the game, but I at least want to see more. Gabriel, he didn't, I don't think he had a touchdown, but didn't have a turnover either. He just, he was just out there, nothing bad.

[Drew Franklin]

It's 1714 Browns. Carson Wentz gets the ball, three and a half minutes to go. I don't think anybody in America thought 80 yard touchdown drive, but he did it methodically. Carson Wentz goes down the field, scores with just, I think 25 seconds left. I mean, timing absolutely perfect takes the exact right amount of time off the clock. You know, if you're The Vikings, when J.J. mcCarthy comes back, is it Carson Wentz's team?

[Matt Jones]

That's what's weird. They're so excited about McCarthy. Then you have old man Wentz on his 16 in 6 years looking about as good as you can expect a McCarthy. So I don't know. I don't. I guess they have to go back because he's your young future. But.

[Drew Franklin]

But do you.

[Matt Jones]

Wentz has done nothing to take it back from me.

[Drew Franklin]

What? They're 3 and 2. They should have won last week. They should be 4 and 1. You know, I mean, who gives you a better chance to win today? Carson Wentz or J.J. mcCarthy?

[Matt Jones]

Probably still McCarthy.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, well then if you believe that, then you definitely.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, Wentz is fine, but it was the Browns in London.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, but he played well in the game before they went to London.

[Matt Jones]

No disagree.

[Drew Franklin]

So, I mean, I would at least consider it because I think when they get back, McCarthy will be healthy. So they're going to have to make a decision.

[Matt Jones]

Part of it is just, it's the same thing I said about Flacco going to. Gabriel Wilson going to dart. It's like at some point, okay, the old man's winning, but we all know this is. He's just hold over for a little bit. Like, let's at least try to get some excitement for the future. But he's been good. The big story of this is Jordan Addison caught the game winning touchdown after being suspended for being out all night. He didn't play the first quarter.

[Drew Franklin]

He went out. Oh, I didn't.

[Matt Jones]

He was out all night. He was out all night in London.

[Drew Franklin]

And so he stayed out all night.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I guess they're not going to tell us exactly how late he was. But he got curfew. Yes. Missed.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, then why did he need curfew? I mean, I mean, I'm looking at a person right now, Andrew Franklin, that I think you used to work better the longer you stayed out.

[Matt Jones]

Jordan Addison's my spirit animal.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, probably the best thing that you've written, at least when we were doing national stuff, you and I was an article you wrote. After staying out literally all night in New York City, we walked into a hotel room and they only had one bed. And you looked at me and said, I'm not sharing a bed with you, I will see you in the morning. And you just went out and stayed out literally all night. Came back and got in the car.

[Matt Jones]

And went with us, had a great time.

[Drew Franklin]

And we drove from New York to Charlottesville, Virginia. Not a short drive. Duke played Virginia in basketball. And you wrote a great story with no sleep, having stayed out all night. Are you the Jordan Addison of riding?

[Matt Jones]

I would say Jordan Addison is the Drew Franklin of the NFL. I really will never know what Jordan Addison did, but as someone who has an appreciation for what he did. Was he out? Just club until 5am There's a lot of speculation online. There's I guess a picture with him of a rapper real late at night. Jefferson kind of called him out in the press conference afterwards, but I mean he had the game winning touchdown. What do you want from the man?

[Drew Franklin]

Have you been to London?

[Matt Jones]

I have not.

[Drew Franklin]

So when you go out late at night in London, everywhere you go, people just want to eat like halal. Like they want to eat like kebabs.

[Matt Jones]

Sounds perfect.

[Drew Franklin]

But at like 1am but nobody eats them during regular hours. I guess the equivalent would be like an American Waffle House. Okay, right. And so there'll just be. The later it gets in London, the more slabs of meat are in your face. Just everywhere.

[Matt Jones]

It's right up my alley. That's what I do in New York.

[Drew Franklin]

That's exactly.

[Matt Jones]

Find me all the street meat, pile it up.

[Drew Franklin]

So I think Jordan Addison was out with his street meat. Comes in, gets the touchdown.

[Matt Jones]

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[Drew Franklin]

Now the Vikings did almost lose the game. On a kick that hit the camera cable. Now will Richard does a kick. If you watch it live, it. It goes straight and then slices to the right. Oddly, in the moment, no one noticed that it hit the camera cord. The announcers didn't notice. It didn't get reviewed. I don't even know if the kicker noticed. But then after people looking on social media said, wait a minute. That ball hit the camera wire. What did you make of that?

[Matt Jones]

I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often. I know it's a small wire and a small ball, but this happened in the cowboys game later, too, with the camera. You know, they. They have the. The sky cams sliding back and forth and all these new cables there. I feel like they're just. They've been cutting it a little too close as it is, and now we're finally seeing that it's actually getting in the way.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I learned that it's a rule that if they had seen it, he got stick. He gets to kick again. You think that's fair? You think that's a good rule?

[Matt Jones]

Absolutely. I mean, it's in, like, a golf course where we have obstacles in the way. I mean, we're playing football. I mean, if it's not so good, maybe we're just going to start hanging the American flag. Hang down. I hope you.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I mean, I have to say, these kickers are getting good. I think putting some traps maybe have.

[Matt Jones]

Like, a pendulum swinging that they got to get through. Like, we're playing putt, putt golf course.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, the. The cords flap around. He's got to curve it around.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe a gold ring can hang. And if it goes through that, it's worth 10.

[Drew Franklin]

You put the lines, like, on the hash marks or, like, right inside the hash marks to give you incentive to be in the center. Or you'll have to curve it around the hash mark. I think these are. This is a good way because kicking is getting too easy. We've talked a lot about that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, if you're going to do that one better, the defense gets to hang a player down from the rafters swinging, and he actually gets to try to block it.

[Drew Franklin]

Really?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. From a cor player. Like he's at a circus. He can decide, do I want to get some momentum and go right to left.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, so you're. Do I want to go higher, low where he's. Where he's.

[Matt Jones]

Strategy. Do you want to go right to. You can go front to back, Try to get the high kick.

[Drew Franklin]

I like it. Okay. You know, one of my. One of the wrestlers who wrestles at OVW, Mr. Pectacular is on the new season of American Gladiators. He can do that. He can swing from the.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe Turbo could get signed to Turbo. Contract, Ice, all of them. Blaze.

[Drew Franklin]

I haven't heard. I wonder what Mr. Pectacular's name is gonna be. Peck.

[Matt Jones]

I think Mr. Pectacular just probably stick with that. It's right there. He's gonna go by Charles. My name's Jim.

[Drew Franklin]

That's a good point. I don't think he needs to change. Hello, my name is Mr. Packtacular. All right, son. What name are you going to have on the show? Brian?

[Matt Jones]

I would like to be called Bradley.

[Drew Franklin]

The Texans. Texans beat the Ravens 44, 10. The Texans scored on every single possession. Who cares about the Texans? What has happened to the Ravens worst defense? They're now, I think, the lowest rated defense in the league. This is the Baltimore Ravens. How did that happen?

[Matt Jones]

When you think of the Ravens, you think defense. I think Ed Reed and Ray Lewis should be allowed to walk into the locker room and smack all of them in the face and say, get it together. Speaking of the Texans, rookie did the Ray Lewis dance, taunting them in Baltimore. That was the most upset the defense was all day.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, so I saw that he did the little Ray Lewis dance 41 to 10. Which, by the way, how's that dance still known?

[Matt Jones]

It's amazing.

[Drew Franklin]

Like, no one talks about the Icky Shuffle anymore. I mean, no. No one does the Dion. No one does the Billy White Shoes Johnson. They don't do the Dirty Bird. But yet, for some reason, Ray Lewis's dance, why is it sacred? Why can't he do Ray Lewis's dance?

[Matt Jones]

It's iconic. My best friend Derek does it every.

[Drew Franklin]

Time and it's great when he does it, but explain. But seriously, what am I missing? Why is it disrespectful to do the Ray Lewis dance at Baltimore?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you're mocking the traditional of the Baltimore defense shuffle.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't think T. Higgins would smack me in the face.

[Matt Jones]

Well, when you think the Bengals. I don't think anyone's thinking about the Icky Shuffle. When you think Raven, that defense is their staple. That is like their calling card, what Baltimore Ravens are known for. I would argue being down 41 to 10 is more of a slap in the face to that defense. But they obviously took offense to.

[Drew Franklin]

I think people need to do the Ray Lewis thing every play until they start playing better.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I'm big on the old.

[Drew Franklin]

Exactly. It's embarrassing to me that you would be down 41 to 10 and that's the moment you would start to show energy is because they did the Ray.

[Matt Jones]

Lewis as a Titans guy years ago, Cam Newton did his Superman thing and the Titans defense just snapped, started a fight and I'm like, well, if maybe if we just kept him out of the end zone, he'd stop doing the Superman dance. So at some point you got to look in the mirror on the that.

[Drew Franklin]

By the way, Zach or who's the defensive coordinator for the Ravens hardball set up for the game. He will be keeping his job. I don't know that it'll make any difference. They're one in four, the Ravens just out because Lamar is probably going to be back next week. Is it too late?

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[Matt Jones]

It's unbelievable we're having this conversation after the Sunday night game they had in week one and part of its injuries. I mean, they have like a Pro bowl roster on their injury report right now. But you're one and four. I don't know how you're going to flip the switch.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I mean, they're decimated by injuries, but so are the 49ers and they're 4 and 1. I think having even with all those injuries.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And then little things like Derek Henley fumbling three games in a row to start the year. They just seem completely out of sorts, even beyond the injuries.

[Drew Franklin]

He did, however, get his 110th touchdown. That ties him for fifth all time with Walter Payton.

[Matt Jones]

Congratulations, King. I miss you.

[Billy]

Emmett Smith, number one, 164.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, look at you, Mr. Stat. Who is. Who is the top five?

[Billy]

Emmett Smith, Lt Ladanian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson and Derek Henry.

[Drew Franklin]

Good company.

[Matt Jones]

That is.

[Drew Franklin]

That's good. The one. I don't know how many people would have gotten Marcus Allen or ladanian Tomlinson, but yeah, impressive. Emmett Smith, number one. I don't think I. I don't think I knew that second half of the game by the way. Stands were completely empty.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, crazy.

[Drew Franklin]

That had to be. If you're a Baltimore fan, one of the more miserable experiences you would have had. I'm going to go see Cooper Rush and we're going to lose 44 to 10.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. This team, I thought was going to win the Super bowl just three or four weeks ago.

[Drew Franklin]

Giants go up 14 to nothing early against the New Orleans Saints. Looks like it's Jackson darts coming out party. You can almost see the parades that are happening. It'll be the back page of the New York Post saying can't Dart this. You know what, everyone's going to be excited. They then don't score again. Jackson dart throws two interceptions, has a fumble. The Saints win their first game 26 14. Spencer Rattler gets his first win after starting oh and 10.

[Matt Jones]

Obviously he listens to cover zero. Just last week we were talking about how he's owing 10 and then I believe we even reminded Spencer Rattler that hang in there Troy Aikman, he went Owen 10. Look, Rattler just a week later gets a win. He looked good today too.

[Drew Franklin]

They had actually sneakily play pretty hard. I mean they were good last week against the Bill, but they played well. So maybe the Saints aren't as bad as we thought.

[Matt Jones]

And just some big plays. They had an 87 yard touchdown and 86 yard touchdown. Just a very entertaining comeback for a team that I didn't think was going to be much. And then here they are with the win.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, there was this court. This statistic is crazy. This was the first win by a quarterback drafted by The Saints since 1998. That is an amazing statistic. The first Saints drafted quarterback to win a game for the saints since 1998.

[Matt Jones]

In a year where they drafted their future quarterback Tyler Schuck. Just sitting there watching Spencer Rattler maybe turn things around and you would have.

[Drew Franklin]

Thought after back to back years of picking quarterbacks they didn't think they would get into Game 5 of the season with having that be the statistic. But Saints and Giants now both one and four that roughing the passer call. Worst roughing the passer call of all time.

[Matt Jones]

I still don't understand how that was called or how that can be justified. Like it made no sense at all.

[Drew Franklin]

What do you think the thought was?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know.

[Drew Franklin]

Roughing the passer.

[Matt Jones]

I think he accidentally threw it. It's like I didn't mean to throw that. Now I'm committed. I guess I'm going to have to acknowledge on the ground. Yeah, because he just like shoved him down and he had the ball.

[Drew Franklin]

That might be the worst roughing the passer call that's ever been ever been called in a game that I've seen. Cowboys beat the Jets 3722. We talked a second ago about how Dak Prescott would be an MVP candidate. Cowboys with the number one offense right now in the NFL. The you know, who needs CD Lamb, Pickens and Dak looking like Montana and.

[Matt Jones]

R. There's been so many years where people have questioned is Dak the guy? Why did they give Dak the big contract? When they did Dax, not the answer. The Cowboys are finally having the DAC year they paid for. And the defense is so bad now.

[Drew Franklin]

1.

[Matt Jones]

They won today, so good for them. It's still going to be a long year, but good for Dak to finally have his MVP year, even though they're not going to have the wins to lead it to an actual MVP year. But he's looking the part.

[Drew Franklin]

Dax might be. He's been awesome. This is the. This is peak Dak. We'll see if he's able to keep it. Especially what if I told you that this is the Cowboys offensive line? Here are the five guys that started on offensive line. 6th round pick, 7th round pick. Undrafted free agent. Undrafted free agent. Undugged D2 free agent.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. They were down four starters today on the line.

[Drew Franklin]

That was their starting offensive line today, and they still scored 37 points. Points. Pretty impressive, right?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, the jets defense has been bad, but I don't care who you're playing, when you string together a line like that, when you're missing four members of your starting offensive line, that's a heck of a way to go out and get a win and to score as many points as they did.

[Drew Franklin]

The jets have yet to create a turnover this year.

[Matt Jones]

Five. Five weeks.

[Drew Franklin]

You would think, just randomly, that someone would have dropped the ball.

[Matt Jones]

A fumble, a batted pass, you'd luck into one somewhere.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, zero. Got a defensive coach.

[Matt Jones]

You can't love that.

[Drew Franklin]

No, I. The two touchdowns for Jake Ferguson. To me, the story of the game, though, is Jordan Blue. Jaden Blue. Excuse me? Jaden Blue. Jaden Blue came into the game today. He ended up with blisters on his feet. You ever had blisters on your feet like, bad ones?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

It could be tough to walk.

[Matt Jones]

I'm a wimp. The moment I even get the sign of a blister, I, like, shut down for weeks. Like I have a blister. Looks like one's starting to form.

[Drew Franklin]

You get one on your heel, that's the worst. Like the ones on your heel, you can't. Well, Jane, Blue got him now. How do you get him? Well, he got him because he tried to practice this week in Louis Vuitton cleats.

[Billy]

Gotta look good, look good, play good.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you know Louis Vuitton made cleats?

[Matt Jones]

No.

[Drew Franklin]

Wonder who. I mean, first of all, football cleats, you can't sell those anywhere else in the world. So now we're down. Presumably not many college guys wear them. So it's a pretty small market, I would think, for Louis Vuitton cleats. And this can't help the advertisement.

[Matt Jones]

No, I don't. I don't know. Sometimes, guys, I get it. You're. You're young, Flash. You got the money. You want to show off. If I'm a professional athlete, give me, like, I don't care what the shoe looks like. Please protect my feet. This is my money maker. Like, the. Someone got hurt recently wearing, like, vintage Jordans that they customized to turn into football shoes and was like, of course you got hurt. That's not designed for football. Kind of feel like blue did this. That again today. Maybe wear your Louise from the car to the locker room, but get serious about your football when it's time to play.

[Drew Franklin]

Just wear comfortable shoes. Get some doctor shows, some Hokas. Yeah. Some Brooks, some Hocus with Dr. Scholes.

[Matt Jones]

Take care of your puppies.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, I taught Billy just recently about who Mitch Hedberg was. Do you know Mitch Hedberg? The community? He didn't know who it was, and we watched some of them. He had the great bit about Dr. Scholes. He was like, Dr. Scholz. I think he wasted all that money on an education. He said, I think you didn't have to go to medicine school to figure out if you just put cushions on your feet, it'll feel better. I'd buy those from Mr. Show. The delivery is not exactly the same, to be fair, but I think that's all he needed was a doctor show and a hoka.

[Matt Jones]

If you're Jaden Blue, like, how do you tell. How do you admit this? I would be like, definitely wasn't Louis Vuittons, by the way.

[Drew Franklin]

No one.

[Matt Jones]

I was running on gravel before I got here. I shouldn't have done that. Like, why confess this? You would not get that out of me, that I have blisters because I have Louis Vuitton.

[Drew Franklin]

Were you wearing the Louis Vuitton?

[Matt Jones]

No, I had them on for one hour before that.

[Drew Franklin]

Of course not. I was wearing prescription shoes.

[Matt Jones]

But you're an athlete getting paid millions, and you have to say, I have blisters because my Louis Vuittons. I just. I think you need to. To. To look at your priorities here.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, he clearly did not. The Colts, Indiana Jones wins 40 to 6. Against the Raiders, an absolute shellacking. Jonathan Taylor had three touchdowns, the Colts 4 and 1. At this point, you have to say they're for real, right?

[Matt Jones]

They are. I made fun of them before the season started, and I've shut up real quickly. Heck, they almost beat the Rams last week. Should be five and. Oh, if not for that fumble at the. At the goal line. It's. It's incredible, the turnaround they've had with a quarterback that kind of just got thrown away and became a joke of the NFL.

[Drew Franklin]

For me, the bigger story, though, is the Raiders, because when the game was over, Pete Carroll said he's 73 years old, and we like him because he's, like, out, you know, doing, like, curls between games. And he kind of reminds me of Jack lalanne. He's, like, juicing on the sidelines and stuff. Not like steroid juicing, like, you know, pineapples and tomatoes. But he said he is quote, processing losing poorly, and it is hurting him. And he said it in a way that kind of got sad, like watching an old guy standing next to his dog as it dies or something. That's kind of how I felt, is the lesson with him and Belichick. Sometimes the old guys just need to just take up Parcheesi.

[Matt Jones]

I took it as Vegas. He was not handling it well. Being in Vegas, losing, not handling as well. I'll lose a football game, then I go hit the slots, and those aren't working for me. The next thing I know, I'm on the. I'm on the street begging for money to go back in there and gamble more.

[Drew Franklin]

What is Parcheesi, by the way? I always hear people say, talk about playing Parcheesi, what is a game? But, like, what is it? Yeah.

[Billy]

I don't know.

[Drew Franklin]

Do you know?

[Matt Jones]

I've never played it.

[Drew Franklin]

Is it a card game? A board game?

[Matt Jones]

It's a board game, huh? I want to say there's a mouse involved.

[Drew Franklin]

A mouse?

[Matt Jones]

Like, maybe on, like, the logo or something.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, well, you. I think Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick should potentially go into that because this has been a bad return for both guys. Both former Patriots coaches. Neither one of them has worked out. Do you think he can turn around? Geno Smith has nine interceptions, by the way.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know if I would attach my comeback to Geno Smith the way Geno Smith.

[Drew Franklin]

I thought he would do well. I did. I thought Geno was going to be good there.

[Matt Jones]

They're so bad today that Anthony Richardson came in and completed his first pass of the season.

[Drew Franklin]

But who did he get? Who caught it?

[Matt Jones]

Anthony Richardson. That's what's amazing. Our defense is so bad, we're letting hot dog water come in and complete passes to himself. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

What is Bar Cheesy?

[Billy]

It's a board game with four circles in the corners. And how do you play?

[Matt Jones]

Is there a Mouse.

[Billy]

Each player rolls a single dice to determine player order.

[Drew Franklin]

First, Matt, I was wondering what order the play was going to go in. So. Yeah, thank you. Billy's going to go through all the rules. So first I roll the dice to see who gets to roll the dice. Okay, then what?

[Matt Jones]

We'll go counterclockwise.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, so we've done that.

[Billy]

So then whoever is going first.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Billy]

Player rolls the dice and must use the topmost facing die pip values shown to move their pieces around the board in one of the following ways. And there are several different ways we can move this piece around the board.

[Drew Franklin]

Explain how you decided what part of the dice had rolled. You said the top facing part. Isn't that what you always do with dice?

[Billy]

We're just going from top to bottom on these rules.

[Matt Jones]

Billy calls it parheesy.

[Billy]

That was good.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, well, good luck to the Raiders and their tips at a comeback.

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[Drew Franklin]

The Dolphins lose 2724 to the Panthers. Dolphins were up 17. Nothing in this game were absolutely rolling and then it all fell apart. Rico is it Dowdle? Yeah Rico dowdle had over 200 yards. He said after the game, hey Cowboys, we play it next week. Jerry Jones couldn't even remember my name. He'll know my name next week. That's a story to watch this week.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I watched Rico as a Cowboy for many years. Really like him. I liked it as his breakout game. Before that, you know, the having just lost Tyreek last week, you wondered they'd be able to throw it around a little bit for the Dolphins too. Ends up having three touchdowns to three different players, but still can't get a W out of it.

[Drew Franklin]

Panthers have lost three games, I think combined, 195 to nothing. And yet they're two and three because they've also won two games.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, we mentioned on Wednesday they went, they won a game by 30, then lost a game by 30, the following 60 point swing and then now I guess they win this one by a field goal. But been a wild season for them.

[Drew Franklin]

I still can't get myself to watch one of their, their games. But if I was going to watch would be because of their announcer. You know the announcer to this game, Eric Collins. First of all, where did he come from?

[Matt Jones]

He's the, he's a famous NBA announcer. He's the Hornets guy.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, he's the horn always used to talk about him.

[Matt Jones]

They called him over to try his hand at football because he's so popular.

[Billy]

He was so good.

[Matt Jones]

He's kind of like Gus Johnson. I mean, when something happens, he loses.

[Drew Franklin]

How does he do that for the Hornets though? Because the Hornets never do anything exciting.

[Matt Jones]

But it's just that screaming that really gets you into it.

[Drew Franklin]

So they brought him for this game.

[Matt Jones]

If I'm not mistaken, it's his first time ever doing NFL and they had.

[Drew Franklin]

Him do his hometown Panthers.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, so there's like a compilation of a couple of his clips here. Play me. I haven't heard this. Play me. What? He sounds like Tungavail has waddle. He's open. Touchdown. And Dono, look at him. Look how speed do you get, young man to the end zone? Hn did he. Look at this. Dono still on his feet, back in the end zone. So is he like that all the time? Like I like he just gets that excited all the time.

[Matt Jones]

He's very popular in the NBA. Very popular for that reason. I mean, just listen to that. You can't help but smile a little bit.

[Drew Franklin]

You can't. But is there a point where, I mean, this was Panthers, Dolphins, right. I mean if you, if you're giving me that for Panthers, Dolphins, week five. What am I. I mean, what am I going to get in the Super Bowl? I mean, I feel like you gotta. You gotta just show them enough for Panthers. Dolphins don't give them everything.

[Matt Jones]

No, that's why he does. Hornets and Panthers, they're like, we got. Cannot give you a meaningful game. Like, you'll kill yourself.

[Drew Franklin]

He just spontaneously combusts.

[Matt Jones]

Doctor will not let him do a call playoff game. So they're like, you get the Panthers, the Hornets. Any bad team will give you. We cannot give you NBA Finals.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, the NFL has been big on Matt. We should try to get some guess right. We did have the brown spider. Brown spider and his first lady. How about Eric Collins? You think you could get Eric Collins for Wednesday, Billy?

[Billy]

Yeah, we can reach out, see if he's got.

[Drew Franklin]

No, we're not. We can. Yeah.

[Billy]

You're talking to the guy that gotten a lot of stuff done on this podcast.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he's. He wants his Tate Ratliff jersey and.

[Billy]

His bottle of wine. I mean, what else do you owe me from the last.

[Matt Jones]

He's been getting stuff done.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, okay, you got brown spider.

[Matt Jones]

That was Tay Rallis jersey.

[Drew Franklin]

What else have you gotten?

[Matt Jones]

The Jackson dart. Anytime Touchdown. That was for something, wasn't it?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, but that.

[Billy]

No, I was like a stat that you didn't think was right. And then I back check.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, so you want. So you want a bottle of wine from Stellenbosch, South Africa, which if you.

[Billy]

Haven'T gotten by now, it's gonna be.

[Drew Franklin]

Hard for me to get because I'm not there right now, but I'll work on it.

[Billy]

I'll settle for the Tate rally jersey.

[Drew Franklin]

Tate rally jersey. Do you think you can get Eric Collins?

[Billy]

I think I can.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, Wednesday, for the next episode, we'll see if we have Eric Collins. I'm going to ask him. Son, do you need to calm down just a little?

[Matt Jones]

I hope he just talks like that. You're like, how you doing, Eric?

[Drew Franklin]

Thank you, Billy. Doubt. Oh, all right. I did like for the Dolphins, even though they lost, which is a bad loss for them. Darren Waller. I thought he retired seven years ago and then he not only played after. I think he was retired, up until two weeks ago, he only played. He, like, dominated the first half.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he came back. He had a big game on Monday Night Football last week and then scored another touchdown today. He stepped away for two or three years, became a rapper. Looked like his talent.

[Drew Franklin]

I didn't know he became a rapper.

[Matt Jones]

Really. I mean, it was it was over. It was over for D. Wall.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And this has been a quite a resurgence for him in Miami though. Big comeback.

[Drew Franklin]

Good for you. Darren Wall.

[Matt Jones]

Back to back weeks.

[Drew Franklin]

Although you did lose to the Panthers.

[Matt Jones]

Formerly married to WNBA star Kelsey Paul Plum. Plum.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, formerly married.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they had a big, big divorce. Oh, got him all that and got him. I think that was last year. Got him back focused to get. Get back to football.

[Drew Franklin]

So you're saying he needed a divorce?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I had to get away from the rapping.

[Drew Franklin]

Wow, look at you not believing in the bonds of marriage you're rooting for.

[Matt Jones]

Divorces seem to work out for him.

[Drew Franklin]

That's true. Kelsey Plum's been good too. Right.

[Matt Jones]

You know, love isn't always the answer.

[Drew Franklin]

Sometimes even the best of relationships come to an end. All right, I'll just. I'm going to step back here. You're Tennessee Titans first of all. Another guy drops the ball before he runs in the end zone. We talked about this last week. Why are people still doing this?

[Matt Jones]

This is not even a game. If he holds on to the football, that would have put Arizona up 28 to 6 in the fourth quarter. Why 72 yard run.

[Drew Franklin]

They would have for just one, one more step.

[Matt Jones]

I mean that one there people.

[Drew Franklin]

By the way, he crossed the line.

[Matt Jones]

On this and I'm not just saying it's my own team. If it's even a question. If you're an idiot and can't hold on to the ball, you deserve to get it taken. I agree with a 72 yard run would have made it 28 to 6 and then that happens. Even then I'm thinking, all right, well you know, they said and pile up, pile it on. We get the ball back and well.

[Drew Franklin]

Let'S talk about the dumbest play in the history football. I mean the. The Titans throw an interception.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I was going to lead the other stuff before that go well the Titans were actually decided to score a touchdown out of nowhere. We haven't had one in weeks after the fumble. Haven't had a touch. Cam Ward just has the best drive we've seen from him all season.

[Drew Franklin]

He was an ass even then like.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we're still down. Big Arizona is getting the ball back. Then we get a three and out. Why don't you think we've had one of those all season and then gets what you're talking about. Cam Ward drives them again.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, well, let's talk about this play. Let's break it down. K. Moore drops back. They're driving down I think nine so they have a chance to cut it to two. He throws an interception, a bad interception. Like not even close to the receiver. Game over. If old boy just falls down, just hold on. All you gotta do is fall down and see. He tries to run it back. He fumbles it and the ball falls in the end zone. The Titans fall on it. It's amazing because I think it was third down. So even if he hadn't intercepted it, if he just knocked it down, it would have been fine. But he did the only thing you can't do, which is intercept fumble in the end zone. Touchdown.

[Matt Jones]

You skip two big important steps. After he fumbled it, one of them kicked it from the five to the two. At this point, it's still not in the end zone. So a Cardinal has now intercepted it and fumbled it. It. Another Cardinal has kicked it. Then a third Cardinal comes in and kicks it even farther in the end zone. So we had two kicks to get it from the five to the end zone, where Lockett dives on it for an improbable touchdown.

[Drew Franklin]

Would you agree that NFL players are some of the most, the best athletes in the world? Would you agree with that?

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

Why is it when a ball hits the ground that they become the clumsiest people on the planet? Like, if you were to throw a ball on the ground right there, I am almost 100% sure I could fall on it. I listen, I can't throw a touchdown pass. I can't make a tackle in the open field. I can't break a kickoff run. If I saw a ball on the ground, Billy, I could fall on it and grab it. Not people in the NFL. When the ball hits the ground in the NFL, everyone turns into the clumsiest person in the world. They jump on it, it squeezes out from them. They trip over each other, they kick it. Why do people become so discombobulated when there's a fumble?

[Matt Jones]

They're thrown off. They're not used to them. It's usually someone that doesn't have the ball very often. Like Kentucky football just last week of South Carolina. We have an offensive line. It you fall on it, you punt, you live to see another day. But it's like he poured olive oil all over it and then just like belly flopped on it to see how far he could shoot it out from his belly.

[Drew Franklin]

And again, if I was gonna fall, I would take my arms and I'd make it to where they.

[Matt Jones]

I would build a. I would build a dome with my body.

[Drew Franklin]

They fall belly first on the ball.

[Matt Jones]

They pull Their arms back and they.

[Drew Franklin]

Think they give it a belly flop and then just one. Watch the ball scoot out. Whoops. You know, here they were.

[Matt Jones]

Kick, kick. I left out a moment before the interception as I was running through that, when the Titans drove the field, they were down 9. And I'm thinking, oh, what are we going to do here? What are we going to do here? We're going to go for two. We're going to kick the extra point. How's Callahan going to play this? Because Callahan has done the wrong thing. Every single time there's been a decision, he sends out the kicker for the extra point. I'm like, that's fine. Whatever. Kicker just absolutely shanks the extra point. I mean, where we had to make a decision. It's just so Titans. This ball didn't even stand a chance. I don't know that it even got out of the back of the end zone.

[Drew Franklin]

It was still a 2 possession.

[Matt Jones]

So literally, the, the Cardinals, there were so many things. If you played that fourth quarter a hundred times, I'm not kidding, 99 times, the Cardinals would win by at least 15.

[Drew Franklin]

Are you glad they won?

[Matt Jones]

No, I actually, I was like, we can't even get the last pick. Losing. Like, at least let's get the last or the first picks. Excuse me. Let's at least, you know, tank. Even though it's week five. And then we managed to, I guess the Cardinals did more than the Titans here, but it was a blooper reel in the fourth quarter, one after another.

[Drew Franklin]

Speaking of the fumbles, you know, I've. I've told this story on a couple other platforms, but not here. When I was at ESPN back before COVID we would watch the games in this game room. And Chris Berman, I think I've told you he will when he watches games. So I would be in a room with Chris Berman. He narrates the games in real life like he does on the highlights. So he does the Raiders and he, like, does all that stuff. And once I started watching games with him, I just kept thinking, man, I hope there's a fumble. Like, I want there to be a fumble where no one can get the ball. And it was like week four, finally there was a play like this one. And here he is sitting there in front of 75 people at ESPN and he goes, whoop. And I went, yes, I wanted that so bad. I wanted it so much. And he would have done that today. He would have gone, whoop. So just so people know, sometimes you wonder, are people in real life, like, they are on tv. When it comes to Chris Berman and football ball, he is drew.

[Matt Jones]

Plenty of bloopers for him to whoop.

[Drew Franklin]

Today, Commanders beat the Chargers. On paper, this should have been a great game. Two teams that are kind of borderline super bowl contenders. Instead, it was awful. Chargers got up 10 nothing. And then Justin Herbert played one of his worst games in two or three years. Commander scored 27 straight points. The Chargers lead the NFL and penalties so far this year, 39 penalties in four games. Um, really bad performance from the Chargers after that early 10 oh lead. Do you blame the fact that Madison Beer came to her first game today for Justin?

[Matt Jones]

I saw Justin got a big kiss.

[Drew Franklin]

From Madison on the sideline.

[Matt Jones]

We can't be kissing. This is a. This is a family league. Matt. Can't just be out there.

[Drew Franklin]

Are you allowed to kiss on your girl on the field before the game? Is this normal? I don't know the answer to this.

[Matt Jones]

Homes and Brittany kiss. Do they?

[Drew Franklin]

I've seen women and men kissing after. I'm good with that. I'm not anti kiss. Let me be clear. You love love, but can you tongue lock before a game on the field?

[Billy]

The wives come out on the field before the game too. I mean, it's a whole thing.

[Drew Franklin]

What do you mean they come out on the field before?

[Billy]

Well, like, they can be on the sideline. Family time. The babies come out. Maybe want to have the kid on the turf.

[Matt Jones]

Come on, dad. Hold the baby in your pads. Get a picture.

[Drew Franklin]

But is that good?

[Matt Jones]

It's pretty common.

[Billy]

Yeah, it's okay.

[Matt Jones]

But family time. So if they kiss him that they.

[Drew Franklin]

Just were together that morning.

[Matt Jones]

I agree.

[Drew Franklin]

Again, I'm not anti family.

[Matt Jones]

But, like, it's time to go to work.

[Drew Franklin]

You don't see, like, when I was a Lawyer, it wasn't 30 minutes before a death penalty trial and we had my. We had a kid crawling on the judge's chambers. It's family time.

[Matt Jones]

Gotta go kiss Madison Beer.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I mean, what's. What other job do you do that right before a surgery? Your wife comes in. We're gonna get Honey open heart surgery. Let's lip lock.

[Matt Jones]

Bring the kids in. We're getting a family.

[Drew Franklin]

Everybody look at this artery that's clogged. Johnny, Dad's about to fix this.

[Matt Jones]

Everyone smile.

[Drew Franklin]

Why do they. Why are they on the field before the game giving smooches?

[Matt Jones]

Can't give a smooch. So you can give up 27. Who is Madison Beer?

[Drew Franklin]

We said this the other day, and I don't remember.

[Billy]

Social media star.

[Drew Franklin]

What does she do? She sings. Okay. She sings.

[Matt Jones]

She's part of this new generation where they're just famous. Yeah. It's like, what do they do? And like. I don't know. They're just famous.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

They get ready in the morning and put it on TikTok. That's what they do to be famous.

[Drew Franklin]

Two touchdowns for the Commanders. For. Was it Jacori Merritt? Crosby Merritt. Now he goes by Bill. We talked about this a few weeks ago. He's Jacori Crosky Merritt. He says, just call me Bill. But now we've learned why, Billy. Why is it he wants to go by Bill?

[Billy]

Well, the old Little Bill Show.

[Drew Franklin]

What show is that?

[Billy]

Little Bill? Nickelodeon.

[Drew Franklin]

You repeating the name doesn't mean anything.

[Billy]

So it was on Nickelodeon and was it a cartoon? Yeah, it was animated cartoon.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Billy]

And I believe he looked like Little Bill. And that is what they started calling him when he was a kid.

[Drew Franklin]

I like though that we're just calling him Bill.

[Matt Jones]

It's a good name.

[Drew Franklin]

Like the announcers are just like, touchdown Bill.

[Matt Jones]

That's how it should be. Nothing against his name, but it's long got hyphens. Jacori Krasky, Merit. No, Bill. Just go Bill.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I kind of like it because I'll never remember Jacori Crosky Merritt, but I can remember Bill. And so you'll remember Bill.

[Matt Jones]

He had a big game. He'll make you remember his name.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he's been. He's been good all year. Two touchdowns. Jaden Daniels was back. So big win and very disappointing performance for the Chargers, who now if the Chiefs win tomorrow, they've basically given up. They had a two game advantage over the Chiefs and they will have given it up within week five. If the Chiefs win against the Jaguars and we'll finish with a poor performance for the Cincinnati Bengals who lose at home 37 to 24. I think the stat from this game that was the most telling is that Jamar Chase at one point had four receptions and three tackles, tackles.

[Matt Jones]

Best receiver in the league at one point.

[Drew Franklin]

Four receptions and three tackles. Tough day for your boy. If I die before I wake feed Jake Browning.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Jake Browning not looking good for Cincinnati. I think they've got like 35 points in three weeks with him since Burrow's been out.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you see his interview after the game?

[Matt Jones]

No. Bros or Brownings?

[Drew Franklin]

Brownings. He was very sad. I kind of felt sorry for him. He was like doing the best I can.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you got no.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean really, he wasn't crying, but he was like, I'm trying. Lay off me. I know he wasn't being defensive. It was like. It was almost like sadness. He was just like, look, I just might not be very good. I worked hard.

[Matt Jones]

He's going through it.

[Drew Franklin]

I just don't think I'm good, good at football. So what do you want from me? I kind of felt bad for Jake Browning.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he had a big opportunity here and he's absolutely fumbled that with that offense.

[Drew Franklin]

Would you go get somebody else? Like, would you try to get Jameis Winston or something? The Bengals started 2 and 2 or started 2 and oh, so they're 2 and 3 and the rest of the division isn't good. So, like it's not over yet. I mean, wouldn't it be worth going and trying to salvage it?

[Matt Jones]

Absolutely. And we'll see some separation at places like you mentioned Wentz McCarthy.

[Drew Franklin]

What about Jameis Winston? Why wouldn't you go try James Winston? He's the third string. He's not playing for a bad Giants team. They're not going to put him in because they want Jackson Dart to play. Why not?

[Matt Jones]

Just he'd be the easiest being third somewhere where he's definitely not getting used. But if you're Bengals fan, I mean, you're not going to have a successful year no matter what. But I think your roster is at least good and you got to try to go out and find someone that could fill that spot.

[Drew Franklin]

Gibbs and Montgomery or you were. You were saying to me the most.

[Matt Jones]

Emmett and Daryl Johnston for the most touchdowns by. By a duo for one team. Yep.

[Drew Franklin]

That's an. That's amazing. You wouldn't think that. Is that in a career?

[Matt Jones]

I guess so.

[Drew Franklin]

Really? There's never been two teammate running backs that have scored more touchdowns than Gibbs and Montgomery.

[Matt Jones]

Big game for Montgomery. They were playing up. He. I guess he's from Cincinnati. Means a lot to him. He's got some family stuff going on there and it was his first time ever playing a game in Cincinnati.

[Drew Franklin]

That is a shocking statistic to me. I'll tell you what else is shocking to me. You went into the year, you probably said the AFC north is going to be the best division in football, right? Ravens. Super bowl contenders. Bengals. Great. Steelers will be competitive and maybe the Browns will be competitive instead. They are one one and six in the last two weeks. You have a. The Steelers are three and one. Then you got one in four for the Ravens, one and four for Cleveland and two and three for Cincinnati. What a bust of a division.

[Matt Jones]

Absolutely shocking. I think I would have had it completely flip. I thought the Steelers weren't even going to be good. Obviously we all thought the Ravens would be good, but to sit here and talk about Baltimore being 1 and 4. Leave aside Lamar not playing today and having the hamstring. Just saying Ravens 1 and 4 out loud but we thought they'd be is nuts at this point.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Well, good day of football. Thank you folks very much for listening. We should have Collins, Eric Collins next week hopefully. Go ahead and say we book him. Also, shout out to the host of the the Carolina Panthers podcast, Meow Mix.

[Billy]

Poor Meow Mix.

[Matt Jones]

Poor Meow Mix.

[Drew Franklin]

Meow Mix Mix who has ended their reign. Did you see they've doubled their social media followers since announcing they were ending. I think they got to come back.

[Matt Jones]

And then they win today.

[Drew Franklin]

And then they win. Don't you have to have a special edition of Meow Mix?

[Matt Jones]

I think they have to drop like their comeback episode.

[Billy]

Now they got jobs.

[Drew Franklin]

What's their job?

[Billy]

I don't know. That's what their excuse was. They got jobs.

[Matt Jones]

Couldn't possibly talk about the Panthers with the job.

[Drew Franklin]

I have a job. So. But, but listen, it was a great run for Meow Mix and I. I hope whatever your next gig is will be as good as the Meow Mix.

[Matt Jones]

We'll per one out for you.

[Drew Franklin]

That's right. We'll see you later. NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

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