NFL Cover Zero: Playoff berths being clinched!

Summary

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NFL Cover Zero: Playoff Berths Being Clinched!

Podcast: KSR (iHeartPodcasts & Sports Talk 790)
Hosts: Matt Jones, Drew Franklin, and Billy
Date: December 22, 2025

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Overview

In this lively Week 16 episode, Matt Jones and the KSR crew dive into a packed NFL weekend, breaking down the games with playoff implications, discussing standout player performances, coaching controversies, and providing their trademark mix of humor and fandom. With Matt broadcasting from New Orleans fresh off a Saints win, the crew celebrates clinched playoff spots—especially for Matt’s beloved Bears—while analyzing surprises, heartbreaks, and memorable moments across the league.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bears Clinch Playoffs & Wild Comeback (02:03–08:49)

• Matt is riding high after the Bears make the playoffs, thanks to a Lions loss. The conversation focuses on the Bears' miraculous comeback against Green Bay.
  • Matt: "Probably one of the best Bears wins of my lifetime." (02:03)
  • Drew: “Green Bay was at 99% in the fourth quarter… but they kept making the right play.” (04:11)
  • They debate whether the Bears can break their 15-year playoff win drought and the likability of the young team under Caleb Williams.

2. Caleb Williams’ Emergence & Second-Year QB Surge (06:29–08:49)

• Discussion on the rise of Caleb Williams, with Drew citing his record low interception percentage.
  • Matt: “He has the fewest interceptions of any quarterback ever with a thousand attempts.” (07:35)
  • They note the changing culture under coach Ben Johnson and celebrate the competitive group of second-year quarterbacks.

3. Jaguars Demolish Denver & Establish Themselves (10:22–13:54)

• The Jaguars’ dominant win over the Broncos signals a shift in AFC power.
  • Drew: “Jaguars are turning it on at the right time.… they’ve got a little swagger.” (13:06)
  • Liam Cohen’s leadership and trash-talking style get a lighthearted roast.
  • Matt, on Cohen: “For a dude that is as dorky as he is, he talks an amazing amount of trash.” (13:31)

4. NFL Officiating Controversy: Steelers vs. Lions Ending (23:52–27:46)

• Matt shares a story about practicing play-by-play on a flight, then transitions into the chaotic and penalty-filled ending of the Steelers-Lions game.
  • Drew: “That last play was just mayhem... it was a pretty blatant push off.” (23:52)
  • Ref controversy and crowd confusion over the officiating calls.
  • Matt: “I’m very surprised they called [both penalties]... both valid, but surprising.” (25:39)

5. Mike Tomlin’s Coaching Consistency (27:01–28:11)

• Enduring success of Tomlin is celebrated.
  • Billy: “19 years!” (27:01)
  • Matt: “The fact Pittsburgh wants to get rid of him is kind of odd to me.” (27:04)

6. Fan Encounters & Detroit’s Reputation (28:25–33:21)

• DK Metcalf’s altercation with a fan and the perils of viral sports moments. Matt references the “Coldplay couple” incident and reflects on the durability of city reputations.
  • Drew: "You can’t be doing that, especially mid-game… we can’t have you leaving the bench to go grab a fan by the collar." (31:17)

7. Patriots-Ravens Thriller & Lamar Jackson’s Future (38:00–42:59)

• Patriots’ comeback win highlighted by Drake May’s clutch throws.
  • Matt: “He’s the Drake YES… he’s good and the Patriots are good, which makes me mad.” (38:54)
• Concerns about Lamar Jackson’s injury history and potential decline.
  • Drew: "He seems to have lost a step... the MVP caliber Lamar, I think, is behind us." (41:52)

8. Around the NFL: Quick Game Recaps & Quirky Stats (43:22–49:37)

• Eagles clinch the division amid a brawl with the Commanders.
  • Noted as the first NFC East repeat champion in 20 years.
• Saints' Shuck delivers another strong outing, with Taysom Hill achieving 1000+ yards passing, rushing, and receiving.
  • Billy: “Taysom Hill became the first player in the Super Bowl era to have a thousand yards passing, rushing and receiving in a career.” (47:31)
• Bills narrowly defeat Browns; Shador Sanders' shaky final drive discussed.

9. Coaching Clichés, Traditions & NFL Miscellany (54:39–64:38)

• Matt preps for his first live play-by-play broadcast (New Orleans Bowl), shares stories about coach interviews and frosted hair tips (56:28).
• Linguistic tangent: “The worm has turned”—origin and meaning debated (60:39–64:38).
  • Billy: “It comes from a 1546 collection of proverbs…’Tread a worm on the tail and it must turn again.’” (63:55)

10. Rest-of-Week Games, Injury Fallout & Playoff Race (66:03–68:41)

• Bucs’ collapse continues; Todd Bowles’ job in jeopardy.
  • Billy, on the Bucs: “They started 5 and 1. They’re now 7 and 8. Todd Bowles should be let go at the end of the year. It’s just unacceptable.” (65:31)
• Anticipation for Philip Rivers’ return for the Colts: hope, doubt, and comedic takes.
  • Matt: “I don’t think that’s good for the sport. …You can’t just like, not play baseball for five years and go hit a home run, right?” (68:50)
  • Drew: “It’s a bad look for young quarterbacks… Philip Rivers says on a microphone, I’m fat. And then goes out there and plays.” (69:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matt Jones (on Bears win):
  “To actually have it go right for once, yesterday was just like a great sports day for me… That’ll be one you put up there.” (10:22)

• Drew Franklin (on Caleb Williams):
  “He's just had a few that have been untimely… but overall, yeah, he's been protecting the ball. And was it like six comebacks this year?” (07:59)

• Matt Jones (on Mike Tomlin):
  “That, to me, is the most amazing stat… Pittsburgh wants to get rid of him, is kind of odd to me.” (27:04)

• Drew Franklin (on coaching theatrics):
  "I think this year, the coach of the year race is so open. They know the cameras are on and it’s kind of like performance art to help their case for voters." (09:41)

• Billy (on Saints’ Taysom Hill):
  “Taysom Hill became the first player in the super bowl era to have a thousand yards passing, rushing and receiving in a career.” (47:31)

• General banter (on city rankings):
  “What’s the city you would want to go to the least in America?... Jacksonville, I think is a good call.” (32:54–33:21)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 02:03 – Bears clinch playoffs, celebrating comeback vs. Packers
• 06:29–08:49 – Caleb Williams emerges, second-year QBs in league
• 10:22–13:54 – Jaguars blow out Denver, Super Bowl contender debate
• 23:52–27:46 – Steelers-Lions ending, officiating chaos analyzed
• 27:01–28:11 – Mike Tomlin’s winning record streak
• 28:25–33:21 – DK Metcalf & fan interactions, Detroit’s reputation
• 38:00–42:59 – Patriots’ comeback, Lamar Jackson’s health concerns
• 43:22–49:37 – Quick recaps: Eagles clinch, Saints’ new star, Bills sneak past Browns
• 60:39–64:38 – “The worm has turned” origin discussion
• 65:31–66:21 – Buccaneers’ slide, Todd Bowles’ fate
• 68:41–70:18 – Philip Rivers returns, what it means for QBs and NFL narratives

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Final Thoughts

This episode delivers a balanced blend of celebration (Bears, Jaguars, Patriots), concern (Ravens, Bucs, fading stars), and irreverent commentary (on coaches, cities, and sayings). The hosts’ camaraderie shines through, making for an engaging summary of a pivotal NFL weekend. They keep the tone light yet knowledgeable, ensuring listeners are both informed and entertained—perfect for NFL fans looking for a digest of all the top stories and a few laughs along the way.

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Transcript

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Podcast Network, NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. Welcome Everybody to week 16 NFL cover zero podcast. I am New Orleans, Louisiana where earlier today the Saints got a big victory. But we're not leading with the Saints. We are leading with the fact that there were some great games today. Drew is in Lexington. Drew, I am in a very good mood because my Chicago Bears made the playoffs today thanks to the loss by the Detroit Lions. And if they can win one more game, we'll win the division after what Saturday night was probably one of the best Bears wins of my lifetime.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, you've got to be on cloud nine right now. I mean, you had the exciting comeback, the way it ended, the celebration after, and then you get what you needed today with the Lions. I saw you haven't won a playoff game in 15 years. Do you think you all can go in there and win one?

[Matt Jones]

Well, I worry that right now we're scheduled to play the packers again, which I think would be the worst luck. I'd rather play anyone but them, but. Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll start with that. I mean, there's the games today. A couple of them are very important. But I mean, I, I think you could make a strong argument that I have seen. Well, first of all, that the Bears have played the two most. Two of the three most exciting games of the year. Right. The game against the Bengals, which just kind of went back and forth, back and forth. We were at the Bills Bucks game, which was so good. But I don't know, I mean, the game itself wasn't great against Green Bay, but that comeback is like one for the ages. I mean, I, I would think for the Bears fan that sat cold in Soldier Field, saw the onside kick, saw the amazing Caleb Williams off his back foot throw, and then saw the touchdown pass in overtime, that's got to be like one of the best moments you'll have as a sports fan, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Crazy finish. I had completely written them off in that game like most people I think did. I saw, you know, the probability thing. Green bay was at 99% in the fourth quarter and back against the wall. Not only do you get the onside kick, he makes that throw on fourth down. There were just so many ways they could have lost it, but they kept making the right play to hang on and get it done. So I was happy for you. And that was just a great game to be a fan of football.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, Green Bay has got to be just kicking himself. So first of all, if you were a Green Bay fan, would you be mad about the hit that took out Jordan Love A little bit.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, you're mad because you're mad because you have to watch Malik Willis play two and a half quarters. That's why you're mad.

[Matt Jones]

But didn't think he did bad. Yeah, I mean, the third down that he gets stopped, I think if he dives, maybe he gets that. But I actually thought, all things considered, he did okay. You know, I don't think it was a dirty hit, but I also think it wasn't a legal hit. And so anytime your player gets hurt on an illegal hit, that does kind of stink, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And I mean, it comes right after losing Micah Parsons too. I know. Jordan Love this shouldn't be out very long, but just to have your two stars on each side of the ball go down in back to back weeks is unfortunate. When you're in such a great place, considered a contender, so you're a neutral.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. So you don't, you know, you don't, you don't care one way or the other. Are you rooting for the. I feel like, I mean, I'm, I've got the shirt on. I'm biased. I think this Bears team though, is insanely likable. Caleb Williams, you know, I think the fact we haven't been good, I would just think objectively if you didn't have a dog in the fight, you would be happy that the Bears are doing well. Do you think that's the case? I don't think. I don't see what. How there would be any Bears hate.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, it's fun. I mean, you like when a team that hadn't had much success in a while, you know, throws their name in the hat. They're a fun offense. They're young. You got a brand new coach ripping his shirt off. I saw today Caleb Williams was serving few food out in Chicago and he had on a cheese grater hat. I didn't know they made cheese grater heads, but that's pretty cool.

[Matt Jones]

So he had a cheese grater. Yeah, I didn't see that. That's good for Caleb.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. So, I mean, they're just having fun and having a great year. So. Yeah, of course it's hard. You have to be a hater, root against them. Unless you're a fan of one of their rivals. And I'm not.

[Matt Jones]

You know, starting next year, okay. You'll get the burden of expectations. They'll have to play a first place schedule. Right. So things will get much harder next year. And so in some ways, you can just have the joy of this one. Now they play the 49ers and the Lions, they just have to win one of those games to make the playoffs. And the Lions could go into that last week with nothing to play for. We'll, we'll see what happens after next week. But you know, you got to be happy. And then Caleb Williams, I mean, I think he's answered all the questions Obviously Drake May had a great game that just finished up and he's been. And so is Bo. Nick's been really good. Jaden Daniels was good last year. But I mean, I think I feel comfortable in saying the Bears have their guy. Right. And how about the three of the six best or five best records in the league being the second year quarterbacks?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And with Caleb Williams, I saw a stat that he's on track to have the lowest like interception percentage ever. He has to get to a certain baseline of as many throws and he's not far from it.

[Matt Jones]

He has the fewest interceptions of any, of any quarterback ever with a thousand or whatever it is, thousand attempts or whatever the status. I don't think people would think that because they still sort of. I think there's this perception that he's this like wild guy. You don't know what he's going to do. Does he make good decisions? But he has like 12 interceptions in his career, which is a crazy number.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he's just had a few that have been untimely. Like he throws the one away a couple weeks ago in the end zone and those stick out a little bit more because they've cost him in games. But overall, yeah, he's been protecting the ball. And was it like six comebacks this year where they've been throwing in the last couple minutes? The guy just goes out there and wins.

[Matt Jones]

Like Myron Metcalf who does the ESPN show with me. He's a hater and he's like, you know, you've had six good picks. Like we've been losing six jobs in the last two minutes. Like, okay, but last year we lost all those games. So if you agree, like the Chiefs are a perfect example. The team who won all those close games last year, it caught up to them this year. The Bears lost all those games last year. I think the Bears were a lot closer to being good last year than people realize. And then this year they win them. So I think it does even out. And this is just the math going our way.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, the culture's completely changed with Ben Johnson too. I again watched his post game speech. It was like five minutes long and I watched every second of it.

[Matt Jones]

I do have to say speeches are a lot like, they need that. He needs an editor. Okay. I mean, I think you get, you know, in hockey, Rod Brindemore has like a 45 second for the Carolina Hurricanes. He doesn't go more than 45 seconds. I think that's a perfect amount out. When you are like rivalry Rivaling Tolstoy for length of your speech. You need to bring it back. So I like Ben Johnson. First of all this middle aged men taking their shirts off. I'm done with that. Okay. Like I talked about, McAfee, Benji, y' all gotta keep your shirts on. You, you, you know, when you have gray chest hair, keep it on. And then we gotta do the link. But I do love the guy and.

[Drew Franklin]

It'S been awesome having, I think this year, the, the coach of the year race is so open. They know the cameras are on and it's kind of like performance art to help their case for voters. I think that's the case because it's never been so wide open for coach of the year. And they're all trying to, to sell.

[Matt Jones]

Themselves in these four in that right now. I mean, you got Liam Cohen, you got Kyle Shanahan, you got Mike Vrabel, you've got Ben Johnson, you know, and Mike McDaniel in Seattle. Like who, who you, who you. Who are you going with?

[Drew Franklin]

I've sat on here the last two weeks to watch Liam Cohen climbing the ranks. And then with his outcome today, I'm sticking with him. That's been my pick for a while and I think he's. They've played their way into it well before.

[Matt Jones]

Before we switch. We'll go to that one next. But before we switch to that game, I, I have to tell you, I've watched the Bears lose some version of that game my entire life. And to actually have it go right for once, yesterday was just like a great sports day for me. Kentucky won. Duke lost. Caliper, he lost. And then you get this Bears win, which was bigger to me in some ways than all of them. I just, I loved it. And to my fellow Bear compatriots out there, let's enjoy this one because that'll be one, you know, that'll be one that when you're doing the top 10 regular season wins of all time, you'll put that one up there. Now, the Jaguars to kind of destroy Denver on the road today. I don't think anybody saw that coming. I think at this point now everybody has to say, a, the Jaguars are for real, and B, Trevor Lawrence is good. And I think six weeks ago, no one would have said the second one of those.

[Drew Franklin]

I saw Trevor Lawrence in the last four games, he's got 1200 yards, 14 touchdowns, no interceptions, and they're four. No, I mean, that is like MVP stretch. I know he's not. Doesn't have enough time to go in The MVP award. But since their bye week, they have been unbelievable. And then what he did today, Denver's got the best defense in the NFL. He went and scored on like six out of seven drives. So just an unbelievable game by. By the Jaguars. And they're. They're doing this all. Not that Travis Hunter.

[Matt Jones]

How do you say it? Jaguars.

[Drew Franklin]

Jaguars. Jaguars.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I, I still don't. Haven't gotten anyone to tell me what the right way is. Everyone makes fun of mine. Jaguars. I don't think Jaguars is correct either. And so I'm just going to say it's an unpronounceable word. But. But.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, they deserve some respect on their name the way they won lately.

[Matt Jones]

Certainly do. And if you're Denver, you know, now you know that I think is. Is who has the tie right now? Is it the Patriots or the Broncos for the one seed because they have the same record.

[Drew Franklin]

I'll be honest, I was not winning that.

[Billy]

I believe it's the Broncos. I don't know if this is updated, but the one I'm looking at right now on NFL.com says Broncos.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I'm not sure if that's right or not, but either way, one of them does. But the Broncos, I think, could have maybe locked it up if they had won today, but they don't. Are you, are you buying Jacksonville as a Super bowl contender, or is this one of these where they're the 2 seed and they get upset in the first round, lose to a 7 seed at home?

[Drew Franklin]

I think I'm gonna say they're a contender because they're turning it on at the right time. There's not a lot of football left. We're heading straight for the playoffs and they've been beaten. Good teams, like I said, just beat the top defense. They got a little swagger. I don't know if you saw Liam Cohen kind of clap back at Sean Payton after the game. Sean Payton had said something like, they're a good team for a small market. And Liam Cohen let off his press conference saying, not bad. A small market can go into Maha and get a win. So they're kind of filling themselves a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

Liam Cohen and you and I have been around him a lot. For a dude that is as dorky as he is, he talks an amazing amount of trash in some ways. He's kind of like Billy. Like. Like he has like. Like Billy. You talk more trash than someone like you normally would. And I think Liam Cohen is kind of like that.

[Drew Franklin]

You.

[Matt Jones]

You have a mouth that's kind of Liam Cohen esque.

[Billy]

But that just doesn't come out of nowhere. That's because I'm ultra confident in what I do. And so maybe he is. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

He's had more success than you do at this point, and I guess.

[Billy]

True.

[Matt Jones]

But if you were head coach of the Jaguars, you might have that success too. We don't know both employees in the.

[Billy]

NFL, so I say that we're closer than maybe you think. I. I had an observation in this game. I want to ask you guys, because there were a couple of times in this game where the players couldn't hear the whistle. The loud was. The crowd was so loud in Denver. Do you think that technology will ever change? Will we have whistles 20, 30 years from now?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, what would you suggest instead?

[Billy]

Lights in your.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe lights in the helmet?

[Billy]

Yeah. I don't know, like, when the plays over work. I don't know, the play's over and then like red lights go in your helmet so, you know, to stop.

[Matt Jones]

But red lights go where? Like you don't. Like in your peripheral somewhere. I don't think they're looking. I mean, you're talking about peripheral vision. Yeah.

[Billy]

Like you'd be able to see a red or a green light when the play's on or the play's off. I mean, it just seems like technology that could be updated or the red.

[Drew Franklin]

Light that's on a shot clock in basketball, just put that on every helmet and if you're running at a guy and his red light goes off, you know the play's dead. It's genius, Billy. Yeah.

[Billy]

There's a solution.

[Matt Jones]

There's a solution, though, in looking for a problem. I mean, what, like, okay, so that happened twice today. I mean, at first, if I was, the NFL would start with making the goal post higher. I still don't understand why they're not higher.

[Billy]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

And then they've already gotten rid of the chains. So, like, I'm ready. I mean, they've made a big step. I will say, Billy, I've never heard anyone even fathom that is a thing that needed to happen. So that is a very unique thought.

[Billy]

Just trying to prevent injuries. You know, plays happening after the whistle.

[Matt Jones]

Just trying to prevent injuries. Okay. Did you see Deion Sanders was at that game and he had a whistle on today.

[Drew Franklin]

He was always had his whistle.

[Matt Jones]

He was in the suite watching Shador and he had a whistle. And I like the idea that he just walks around all the time with a whistle. And I want to think he blows it anytime he sees something strong in the airport. You're cutting the line. Blow the whistle. I like Dion constantly having a whistle.

[Drew Franklin]

He seems to always be wearing a whistle and a cowboy hat these days. And I'm all for it. They don't really go together, but I like it. I like.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know what the cowboy hat thing is. I at first of all, Colorado was not even known for cowboys. Like, he's not like I he went. It's like he went to Maine and decided he was a cowboy. Colorado is not. That's not what they do there. That's like mountains and skiing, but never less so. Jaguars with a big victory.

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Let's talk about the game that I so let me back up a second. So people who don't we talked about in the podcast I'm calling the New Orleans Bowl Tuesday and a lot of you listening at home you might be like what's the New Orleans Bowl? And that's your loss because it is the it's this is the 25th edition Billy's Alma Mater. Western Kentucky is playing the Southern Miss Golden Eagles. But more nerve wracking to me is I've never called a play by play game and I have to do it. And we've talked about this. I've been very nervous. So Friday night I freaked out a little bit because I realized, hey, I'm about to do something I've never done on national radio. So I've spent most of the weekend the games I'm watching, I'm calling them. Okay? So I've Been standing in my house by myself, calling the action as the TV is muted. If you walk by my house and could look in, you would think I was a crazy person. Well, today I had to fly to New Orleans and I had to watch these games on the plane. And I was sitting there and I was watching Detroit and Pittsburgh, and I was flying and I was calling the game in my head. But I realized at some point that the words were starting to come out of my mouth. And I was literally quietly but going, roger straps back books over the middle. First time, like. And there was a guy sitting across from me. And to his credit, I know he heard me. He had to have heard me. And he never brought it up, and he never embarrassed me. He had to think I needed to be put out to pasture.

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[Matt Jones]

But when I realized, I turned really red. I kind of covered my face. But to that, man, if you happen to be listening, thank you for not embarrassing me, because I do think I was out loud on a flight calling the Steelers lines game. Play by play.

[Drew Franklin]

You're just working, man. You're a professional just doing your job. But he doesn't know that businessmen work on planes. I bet you Tony Romo, Tom Brady, they sit there and mumble college games on the back of the seat in front of than when they're on planes. It's all part of the business.

[Matt Jones]

First of all, they're probably flying private and they're probably not in an economy seat celebrating that I got an exit row. It's probably not one of those conversations, by the way. I don't like now that on the exit row you have to have a long verbal exchange to get to sit on the exit row. And they used to just go, are you okay sitting on the exit row? And you go, yes. Now they, like, ask you 10 questions, and you have to. And you can't just nod that they go, I need a verbal answer. Yes, yes.

[Drew Franklin]

And you're trying to. You're trying to do play by play while she's asking you if you're capable.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. So I did play by play of the game. And what I saw was a pretty impressive win by Pittsburgh on the road. Detroit fans boo their own team, but then Pittsburgh ends up winning at the end. Double offensive pass interference calls on two of the last three plays. What did you think of it?

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, that last play was just mayhem, and I was waiting for a replay. They gave us a while to get to it, and I thought, this better be a clear offensive pass interference. And then, yeah, he Pushed off pretty hard. It was kind of unnecessary how hard.

[Matt Jones]

He pushed off because I couldn't hear the sound. I was only trying to call the action myself.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

What did the referee say? Like that whole period of time they were talking and like, what was going on?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, when the referee tried to announce to the public what they had decided. I bet he wants to take that one back. He was.

[Matt Jones]

What did he say?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, he started off saying the call on the field is a touchdown, but then he has to go to offensive pass interference, therefore no touchdown. But then he kind of fumbled over the no touchdown. And some Lions fans are cheering and some aren't. It was. The moment was way too big for the white hat right there.

[Matt Jones]

And did he say something like, we can't replay?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, no, they can't replay it because it's a pass interference, so there's nothing they can do about it.

[Matt Jones]

So he basically was like, you scored but no, you didn't and you don't. We're not looking at it. Is that kind of what he said?

[Drew Franklin]

It actually would have been much better if he had put it that way because he was like stammering a little bit and.

[Matt Jones]

So what's the argument? They scored a touchdown. Was that not like his forward momentum had gotten stopped?

[Drew Franklin]

What St. Brown lateral to golf. Who jumped in?

[Matt Jones]

They stopped his for he, they had running back like before he lateral. They had pushed him back like five yards.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, none of it mattered once, Once they had the flag for the pass interference. But John, I guess it just ends.

[Matt Jones]

Because, yeah, there'd be a runoff.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, it was an offensive penalty and then there was no time on the clock. But it was a pretty blatant push off too. But it was a chaotic ending there and no one really had answers because they weren't showing a replay for, for a couple.

[Matt Jones]

Both of the calls were valid, but I'm surprised they called them right. Like, I think you could call, especially the picks. I think you could call those a lot. And you probably could call the push offs a lot. And to call those in Detroit on the la on two of the last three plays, I don't think they were wrong, but I'm very surprised they called.

[Drew Franklin]

When, when they huddled the four officials, you could almost see them like, oh, my God, there's a lot at stake here because it's truly deciding a game of playoff implications. Yeah, I, I think they got it right, but it, it was a wild ending. It couldn't have been easy on him, but I think they did get it right. It helped that the defensive back sold the push pretty well.

[Matt Jones]

Dan Orlofsky was angry. I saw him on. You know, he was a former lines back, so he's a big Lions guy. He was very angry about it. He was like, you can't call that. You can't call that. And then there were just people saying just that. Just people just yelling at him. That's why you should never talk on. On Twitter. But I. I think it was probably the right one. And now that, by the way, The Steelers are 9 and 6 in the driver's seat to win the division. All they need to do is win one more game. Aaron Rodgers. First of all, Mike Tomlin is going to have a winning record again.

[Billy]

19 years.

[Matt Jones]

That, to me, is the most amazing stat. I mean, give me more amazings. And oftentimes it's like 9 and 8. And yet he still has a winning record every single year. It's. It's. And the fact Pittsburgh wants to get rid of him is kind of odd to me.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, they booed him three weeks ago.

[Matt Jones]

I don't get it. Like, if you fire Mike Tomlin, another team's going to hire him immediately, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah. I'm sure they're wishing they hadn't boot him because he'd done nothing but win since then, but it's just also amazing that. I mean, that's not like a powerhouse division, but it's not terrible to be being.500. You have the Browns, but the Bengals and Ravens had some really good seasons during that run, and they still managed to get above.500 for almost two decades.

[Matt Jones]

And they also have that insane stat that, what, they've only had, like, three coaches in 65 years or something? Like, that's. I mean, that's. That is unbelievable. And Aaron Rodgers. I'm a hater, and I'm still a hater, but he probably has been a little. I don't think he's been great, but he's been a little bit. Certainly better than I thought he would be.

[Drew Franklin]

Do you think he keeps playing beyond this season?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know.

[Drew Franklin]

He's. He's looking so old over there on the sideline. They kept showing his face when the Lions are driving late.

[Matt Jones]

Cold. He looks very cold.

[Drew Franklin]

He had a nice no look past today. Still got that in him. Did you see DK Metcalf get into it with the fan? That was the other big story.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I did see that. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

And the fan was interviewed, and he said, all I did was call him by his full name. I just yelled.

[Matt Jones]

I Don't believe that that fan is lying. He did not. Like, he did not. You could call me Matthew Harper and I'm not going to punch you in the face. I do not believe that in the least. Do you?

[Drew Franklin]

No. But I also wondered how the fan was even in that spot. Like, where's the security on the rail to be like, hey, fan, why are you leaning over in DK Metcalf's face? Like, how did he even get to that point, is what I wonder.

[Matt Jones]

You don't often see the fan is very lucky that he had the blue hair covering his face because we have no idea who he is. You know what I mean? Like, he didn't. This was not a situation. Well, it's a little bit of a digression, but do you remember the Coldplay concert couple?

[Billy]

Of course, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So the woman, I don't know if you saw this. The woman was interviewed this week by the New York Times. Did you see this?

[Drew Franklin]

I saw that.

[Matt Jones]

Now I have the controversial view, which no one wants to hear that I kind of feel sorry for this woman. And I actually was interested to hear what she says. And her life seems like it's been awful. Like people like yell at her and she hasn't been able to like go back to work and she doesn't feel like she. She only now feels like she can go in public. So I was like, I, this is fascinating. And it shows how we pile on someone in society, et cetera, et cetera. And so then I look, the New York Times posts a story and I go read the comments on social media. People just hate her. Like they hate her so much. And I feel sorry for this woman. That could have happened to this Detroit lines blue haired guy if he was not careful.

[Drew Franklin]

Wasn't that the point of her interview is that you shouldn't be hated for making a mistake? And then she just keeps getting hated now that she did the interview.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, people are mad at her for doing the interview. But, like, what do you want her to do? Do you just want her to like, just want her to like, move to Mars? Like, it's like she has to have a life. She didn't commit a crime.

[Drew Franklin]

She's got to go live in the woods by herself and never come out.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, she not allowed, like, is she never allowed to ever? Okay, she messed up. But is she never allowed to move on with her life ever? I just feel sorry for that woman. And I know nobody else does, but I do. People make mistakes. I mean, Burton Ernie's, or was it Sesame Street? It was like, everybody makes mistakes. Can we not give them a break? I don't know if that was the exact lyrics, but that was the premise.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Yes. They do something. Something.

[Matt Jones]

Your sister and your brother and your dad and mother, too.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. So you're saying the Detroit fan was kind of like the Coldplay couple?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think he's very lucky because he could have become that woman, and then he would be doing a New York Times spread now. Do you think DK should get suspended?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. You can't be doing that, especially mid game. I don't care what he yelled, and I'm sure he yelled much worse than DK's full name. We can't have you leaving the bench to go grab a fan by the collar and uppercut them.

[Matt Jones]

Also, how did he hear him? Like, how did he hear it? That stadium is very loud.

[Billy]

I don't know. When I hear my full name for my fiance or my mom, it's like, piercing. Like, I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

You don't punch your mom?

[Billy]

No. Would never go that far. But, like, I can hear that.

[Matt Jones]

I know of.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And what is it with Detroit? Malice of the palace now this. It's like their fans.

[Matt Jones]

I see my passport in Detroit. I can see it.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, although I do think people use Detroit now as, like, this, like. But it's actually. It's nice, you know, what's this? What's the city you would want to go to the least in America? Like I say to you, you have to go spend one month in a city of some size. You know, let's say a city that has a professional sports team. Okay, what's the city that I say you have to live there for one month that you would want to do it the least?

[Drew Franklin]

Probably Orlando. Anything touristy. I just don't do crowds and touristy stuff.

[Matt Jones]

I actually think Orlando's a good answer, but I don't think I would have said that. I think it would.

[Drew Franklin]

It. If I could just play golf, I'd be fine. But if I got caught up in Disney traffic and hour waits.

[Matt Jones]

Families and.

[Drew Franklin]

Rides and, like, snotty kids.

[Matt Jones]

Tigers, I mean, like. Well, I don't know if they have tigers, but, you know, the. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Billy]

Jacksonville for me, maybe.

[Matt Jones]

See, Jacksonville, I think is a good call because, like, Jackson's not even on the beach, right. Well, he's Orlando up. I've been to Jacksonville three times and had zero fun.

[Drew Franklin]

So who had two Florida cities being on our list?

[Matt Jones]

Which is weird because at least the weather's Although the weather's not even necessarily going to be good in Jacksonville all the time. I'm telling you, Jack, Jacksonville. That's a good call. Jacksonville's mine.

[Drew Franklin]

Until we had gone to Buffalo and I met those beautiful people and joined the mafia, I might have said Buffalo as someone stereotyping it from afar, but I had too much fun to say Buffalo.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. My point is a lot of people would say Detroit, and I think that would be the wrong answer. I actually think Detroit would be, you know, pretty good place. Pretty good place to go. Oklahoma City might be up there too. I don't know. What is it like wood And I don't know.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't Haunted hotels.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, those might be. Might be the two.

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[Matt Jones]

Now the rest of games today, there's a lot of games, games that sort of on paper were meaningless. But we just finished one with the Patriots and the Ravens. 28, 24. Lamar gets hurt. It's 10:10 at halftime. When he gets hurt, you kind of think, all right, game over. But then The Ravens score two touchdowns. They lead 24 13. Snoop Huntley's playing pretty well. And then great drive, two great drives by Drake May. They get a turnover at the end and the Patriots win. Drake May had a pass to Williams that was an amazing pass, an amazing catch. And as a I really like cousin Sal and the ringer would call him Drake maybe. And I've wanted To, to, to do that. But I think now he's the Drake. Yes. I mean he is, he's, he's good and the Patriots are good, which makes me mad.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, that throw was incredible. To the, to the side of the end zone. He had a long run. I mean he's looking like he can do it all right now. But I had them completely written off. Even though they were just, just down 10 early in the second half. I thought this was going to be a big blown opportunity when Lamar went out and they still weren't getting anything done and Derek Henry was rolling over.

[Matt Jones]

Them, running over him.

[Drew Franklin]

And then you look up and they pulled off at the last minute. I was pretty shocked by that. And the winning continues for New England.

[Matt Jones]

I think Snoop Huntley, by the way, I believe he backed up Bernie Kosar. He has been in the, he has been in the league for a long time. I actually thought he played admirably well. I don't understand why the Ravens went away from your God, Derrick Henry though. I mean they're up by, they're up by three. They have like four and a half minutes to go. All they need to do is get two or three first downs and they hand the ball to the other guy whose name is escaping me. I called it on the plane a couple times. Cameron Mitchell, maybe. Yeah, yeah. See again, when you, when you're play by play guy, you remember these people's names. Cameron Mitchell, but. And they didn't give it to Derek Henry. I didn't understand that in those key moments down the street now he had.

[Drew Franklin]

A bad fumble early in the game, which is, you know, this been a year of fumbling for him, something he had never done to this season. But other than that, he had been great. He was running all over him, had the two touchdowns, like 130something yards. It's like he's right there.

[Matt Jones]

Hand Henry. He's Derek Henry. I mean there's nothing he's better at than the clock churning end of game runs. That was the thing. He was so amazing with the Titans year after year. I just, I did, I didn't get, you know that that's your season on the line and you got Snoop handing it to Mitchell and you go, this is not what you all were. This is not what this was supposed to be.

[Drew Franklin]

It's exactly why you signed Derek Henry. As everyone else gets tired, he just gets more downhill and picks up steam. The later the game, the better he gets. And just completely went away from him.

[Billy]

Do you think we've seen Lamar's peak. He's injured another back injury. Numbers haven't been the same since the hamstring.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, see, that's a tough one because I, I, there's no quarterback that to me is more vulnerable to his age than, than, than Lamar. But I also don't like there's still moments, there's still sparks. I, I don't know. He's injury prone, clearly. He seems to have done a better job in recent years of, of, of evading the injuries. But this year especially it's, it's been like four different things. So that does worry me, Drew. I, I hope we haven't seen the peak, but I kind of think maybe we have.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, this year it's just been several different injuries. Seems to have lost a step. If you look at his rushing stats, even when he did have some healthy games, he's not running it as much. I feel like he's hitting that decline a little bit. So he'll still have some good football left. But the MVP caliber Lamar, I think is behind us.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I do think when he hits that moment and I don't know if he's hit it yet, I'm not willing but like he'll fall off the planet. Like I think it'll, it'll be like, you know, I mean, that's kind of what happened to Michael Vick. It was just over at some point. You know, he had that one good year coming back for the Eagles and then it was just over. Like, like, it's just, I kind of worry about with him. Russell Wilson, it was just kind of, you know, all of a sudden it was just, it was just over there. They're guys who, well, I mean those are not, those quarterbacks are all not the same. But, but there just hits a moment for some dudes when you're not just a guy relying on your arm when you're doing. I wonder if it'll happen to Josh Allen at some point. Like is there going to come a point that it he just hits a wall. I hope that hasn't happened for Lamar.

[Drew Franklin]

Because he's my favorite player and for the Ravens too. This they're in a win now moment and they completely wasted this season and win now. Derek Henry, you know, even though he seems like a robot, that's not going to last forever. You went out and got DeAndre Hopkins, who's getting old. I mean this was a win now season and they've completely dropped the ball.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, well, tough, tough loss. And now, you know, the Bills were hoping for that loss to have A chance to actually win the division. That makes. That's almost impossible at this point. All right, let's go through a lot of these other ones. We'll kind of go quickly. The Eagles beat the Commanders. I didn't watch one minute of this game, so one of you has to tell me something that matters from this.

[Drew Franklin]

Marcus Mariota got hurt, so they had to turn to Josh Johnson for the Commanders. That's what.

[Matt Jones]

He's still in the league.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Billy]

The true backup quarterback champion.

[Matt Jones]

Josh Johnson.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

There's a name I haven't thought about in a long time.

[Drew Franklin]

So when you thought.

[Matt Jones]

I thought he was a singer now.

[Billy]

It was his ninth team since 2009.

[Matt Jones]

The commanders, how was he? Great.

[Billy]

No, he was. He was bad. But the Eagles, they clinched the division, and it's the first repeat champion in that division in 20 years. So that's.

[Matt Jones]

I remember I saw that statistic. That's an amazing statistic. Although Eagles fans, to have won the division, still have a shot at, like, winning the Super Bowl. They hate their team. Just hate it. Like they. They hate them so much. I now want to watch the game just to try to remember what Josh Johnson looked like. I have no visual in my face, but I feel like I've seen him a lot.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, other than Washington running out of quarterbacks, the other story is the Eagles went for two, up by 17 with four minutes left, and it landed turned into a brawl. Pretty good fight. Lots of. Lots of fists.

[Billy]

Big Dom was in midfield.

[Matt Jones]

I have no patience for people complaining about that stuff. Stop them. Who cares? When did these athletes, like, when did they get their feelings hurt so much? Like, when you played as a kid, did you ever go, okay, everyone, there's a minute left. Let's stop trying? No. No one's like, why do we expect these athletes to stop? Plus, there were, what, seven minutes to go? Like, it's even less. Why can't they go for it? It's not like there was six seconds.

[Drew Franklin]

Left, but they were running up on him. I think it started with two defensive backs shoving the lineman, knocked one over, and next thing you know, the bench is clear. Saquon Barkley, I can't remember who. He said he was running towards the pile and someone from the Commanders, maybe Wagner, stopped him, was like, don't. Don't go in there and get in this mess. Like, punching people. You're going to break a hand on a helmet. You're going to get the reserves.

[Matt Jones]

Let the reserves fight.

[Drew Franklin]

Like, what are we doing here if the game's over let's not mess with this.

[Matt Jones]

I like in hockey, where. And this happened the other night when the Hurricanes played the Panthers. Two players were mad at each other, but it was like Andrew Marchan, who's like the Panthers best player, and it was a ho who's like the Hurricane's best player. And so they appointed two other guys to fight for them.

[Billy]

Enforcers.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. But like they went on. They literally almost went on the ice like ceremonial. You and I have to fight because they're too good to fight. I was like, only in hockey is that the case. Football has that too, though. If you're, if you're a reserve, if you're a special teamer, you fight.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. I've always thought if I was in a bench clearing bra, which I wouldn't be because I don't play sports, but I would find someone that doesn't want to fight either and lock up and we'll just kind of maneuver and whisper to each other.

[Matt Jones]

They lock up and then they just skate in a circle and hold each other. Yeah, that's the. We were fighting, but we're not. We agree. We're both too pretty for this.

[Drew Franklin]

We just wanted to look good on camera, that we were there for our teammates, but we're not actually mixing it up.

[Matt Jones]

That's what Mike Greenberg does at espn, by the way. He lets the other guys fight and then Mike Greenberg, he grabs Joe Buck and they just circle around in circles and make sure not to hit each other.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, after this, after this, commanders fight. Dan Quinn said, we'll see y' all in two weeks because I guess they play again. I don't know what they're going to do in two weeks because they have Josh Johnson as their quarterback. But this ain't over. It's not over. Chapter two coming.

[Matt Jones]

I'm ready for the Josh Johnson era. Saints win going away against the Jets. I, you know, you need to shut the shock up because he is absolutely killing it for New Orleans, right? No, there are very few quarterbacks playing better.

[Drew Franklin]

I think they have their franchise QB. That's three straight wins. He was connected with a LA all day. Had like 140 yards, two touchdowns. He made a few impressive throws, one kind of similar to that Drake threat Drake may throw you mentioned. So, yeah, it looks like New Orleans might have found some life in the old shuck.

[Billy]

And while we're talking Saints, Taysom Hill became the first player in the super bowl era to have a thousand yards passing, rushing and receiving in a career.

[Matt Jones]

That's an interesting stat. That's Another dude who's been playing since the 60s. I mean, like, and he's for a guy who is like essentially like a utility infielder of football. The fact that he's been on the same team, he's got to be the saint that's played well. Alvin Kamar, if he's still in the league. But otherwise he's got to be the longest serving saint, right?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And it's crazy. It's so weird that there's only been one of him and he just, just has lasted so long and he threw that long touchdown today to Olave. So I mean, he's out there contributing. As Billy said, he does it all. And there's never been a utility player like him.

[Matt Jones]

Multiple coaches too. Like, I mean, he continues to stay no matter what the regime. It's like we gotta have our. And they always call him a utility knife, which I don't know. Do, like, do people under the age of 30 carry utility knives anymore?

[Drew Franklin]

I think.

[Matt Jones]

Do either of you carry a knife?

[Drew Franklin]

No.

[Billy]

No.

[Drew Franklin]

I had one when I was a Cub Scout that didn't last long.

[Matt Jones]

I remember my grandfather would be like, no man goes without a knife. And now I love my grandfather, but that seems like a psychotic thing to have said.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, my grandfather would pull his knife out of his pocket, it would be dirty, and he'd carve an apple and eat off the knife. He always had the knife. It was used for everything.

[Matt Jones]

But if I saw a person just walking around with a knife now, I think I would call authorities. I'd be like, this man has a KN and we're at the Burger King. But like, there was a time that everyone did that. Apparently they carried their own. Taysom Hill. The Bills played the Browns 23:20. I knew this game would be closer than it should be. I knew the Bills would play down the competition. I didn't realize that Shador Sanders would take three straight sacks on the game winning play and it would be 4th and 43. He didn't play good, but he didn't play terrible. But he had a chance. And then a terrible final drive.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he started off great. He ended up going the wrong way. He completed his first eight passes and scored on the opening drive. Can we get a shout out for Harold Fanning Jr. By the way?

[Billy]

From where?

[Drew Franklin]

From. From Bowling Green.

[Billy]

Oh, that's right.

[Drew Franklin]

Another touch.

[Matt Jones]

So I saw, I saw a tweet while I was sitting on the airplane where somebody wrote, people didn't think Harold Fannin could play in the NFL. And he showed him and I thought why no one person that did I know one person that believed in Harold Fannin Jr. Well, how about today?

[Drew Franklin]

He set the Brown single season record for most receptions by a rookie with his 67th and it was a touchdown and he hit the six seven when he scored. So what a day for my guy.

[Billy]

And a rushing touchdown.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he did. He was. He was one. They brought him in there for the rushing touchdown. So Bill's win. I still don't know whether Shador is good or not. I think we're going to be like that probably for his entire career.

[Colin Coward]

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[Matt Jones]

I want to pause just a second show you something. Look what I bought. This is my Tom Hart said I needed a card and you can see this is big. Tom Hart said said I needed a card to put the lineup on and all this. So I bought these two pieces of poster board. Look at that. There you go. And this is going to be. I'm going to work on this tomorrow. But this is my chart where I will put the, the, the you know, I don't know rosters for both teams.

[Billy]

Those are giant like that's like an art project board.

[Matt Jones]

That's exactly what it is in our project board. But they didn't have the one was just like the size of a sheet of paper and the other one was massive. This was like the only middle size they had.

[Drew Franklin]

So do you have a color? Do you have A bunch of markers to be color coordinated or you go, I have markers.

[Rob Gronkowski]

I don't.

[Matt Jones]

I'm just going to use one color. I'm not going to wild. I don't also don't have all that much time. Can I give you a stat I learned about each team we'd love?

[Billy]

Yes, please.

[Matt Jones]

Let me start with Western Kentucky, please. Did you know Western Kentucky has had a top three round draft pick each of the last four seasons. They're the only team in the group of five that has done that. They. Western Kentucky has had a guy picked in the top three rounds the NFL draft the last four years. Isn't that amazing?

[Drew Franklin]

It's impressive.

[Matt Jones]

I'm trying to think more of a reaction from you all on that. That's a fact. I think that's crazy for a school like Western Kentucky.

[Drew Franklin]

I was looking at Billy the alum and he's just acting like business as usual for Western over there.

[Billy]

It's been like this for like a decade or so. They've. They've been a little bit of a step.

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[Matt Jones]

As I said in the stat. It's not been a decade. It's been that way for four years.

[Billy]

Yeah. So who is that like Malachi Corley and Bailey Zappy or.

[Matt Jones]

And then there was a defensive player I think last year was, was the.

[Billy]

Captain stout on the 49ers.

[Matt Jones]

Then I will tell you for, for Utah or excuse me, Southern Miss. The new coach is Blake Anderson. This is his first game. So interesting story. He was, they named him the interim coach for the bowl game and because the coach left and he said well I would like to be the full time coach. And they said no, we're having a coaching sir. So they made him interview. They made him meet the like they made him do all the same things that they made other candidates do and then they still picked it. So which is interesting. You would think like he was already there. He had been there working there, but they ended up picking him. What I like about him is at his press conference he had frosted tips in his hair. He's a 55 year old man and he came to the opening pressing press conference with frosted tips which I kind of gave him a hard time about today on the radio. I was like, you show up, you showed up at your press guy. Because I saw a picture of him earlier this year. He didn't have frosted tips. He got frosted tips mid season tips.

[Billy]

Wow.

[Drew Franklin]

Huh?

[Billy]

Mid season for the opening.

[Matt Jones]

For the like he didn't have it a few weeks ago. So he got it for the opening press conference.

[Drew Franklin]

So do you think maybe the second interview is like, is he. Did he already have the frosted tips or was he so confident after the interview, he's like, I'm frosted.

[Matt Jones]

Maybe he got the frosted tips.

[Drew Franklin]

Tips.

[Matt Jones]

And they were like, no. Wait a minute. Maybe we need to do these interviews.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, that's what happened. He was his normal self. Yeah, he got the frosted tips. Like, we don't know this version of you. We need to re. Meet you again. We need to start from. From square one.

[Matt Jones]

Blake, are you going through a midlife crisis now? What is happening? Anyway, by the way, I have to meet him tomorrow for coaches, so I don't know. I may not bring up the tips in person.

[Drew Franklin]

He's probably listening to this.

[Matt Jones]

Your Titans won against. How was that?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, remember I told you all last week this would happen. We just keep getting better and better. Ward made some awesome throws. I'm really starting to believe in him. He's getting better each week. DK at receiver. They connected on some big plays. We're using big Jeffrey Simmons on offense. And back to back weeks, who cares? Throw it out there. We're having fun. I was in on the tank before, but I gotta admit, I was very happy for them to win the last couple weeks.

[Matt Jones]

So Gardner Minshew followed up. Pat Mahomes ACL tear with his own ACL tear. ACL tears for everyone. Who was the guy they put in? That was a guy I'd never heard of. What was his name? Oh, God.

[Billy]

Olakadu from South Dakota State. It was his second.

[Matt Jones]

Never heard of that guy. And now he's gonna what? He's gonna start the next two games, I would assume, right?

[Drew Franklin]

He has to start Christmas Day against the Broncos. How much do you think the schedule, the TV schedule hates that.

[Matt Jones]

Olakadu. That reminds me of my favorite nickname of any athlete ever. Billy Drew may know this, but there was a guy basketball player named Mama do in Ja.

[Billy]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

And on Sports center, one of the announcers said, ain't nobody love him like his Mama Do. Injure.

[Drew Franklin]

It's one of the all time greats. A good one.

[Matt Jones]

That's. That's. I think you like. You don't get a better nickname than that. So Olakadu.

[Drew Franklin]

He'S the Christmas Day games. He's starting one of them. Josh Johnson could be starting the other one. And Max Brosmer could be starting the other one.

[Billy]

Oh, no.

[Drew Franklin]

Christmas Day took a huge hit with the injuries.

[Colin Coward]

Wow.

[Matt Jones]

Three. That. Yeah. Well, now you can Actually see your family during that.

[Drew Franklin]

As opposed to.

[Matt Jones]

As opposed to watching football. Chargers beats Cowboys. I didn't see one minute of this. Anything that I would need to have seen.

[Drew Franklin]

Cowboys went up early looking pretty good. Pickens had a big game, but the Chargers just came back and pulled away. Herbert had a pretty good game. It was just a pretty standard, you know, nothing. Nothing too out of the ordinary other than Cowboys blowing that early lead.

[Billy]

No Dallas quarterback has ever led the NFL in passing yards. Dak is on pace to do that. And Harbaugh has a new saying. It's called the worm has turned. And I didn't look it up, but.

[Matt Jones]

What'S wrong with that? That is a sign, right?

[Drew Franklin]

What.

[Billy]

Oh, what is this? I didn't know that.

[Matt Jones]

No, I mean that's the same. I don't know what it. Why. But that's like he didn't make that up. Like that's. The worm has turned is a thing you say. But why? What? Did you look it up?

[Billy]

No, I didn't look it up.

[Matt Jones]

No, it has like. That's a real saying. The worm has. I've heard it. I think maybe it's. Maybe it's like something about a change.

[Billy]

Does that mean they're changing or evolving?

[Drew Franklin]

I got is someone who was previously meek or long suffering suddenly becomes assertive, defiant, or fights back.

[Matt Jones]

But what does. But why do what worms do? They turn. What is that? I mean, worms have to turn at some point. Why do worms turn? But you guys are still not getting why. That's the thing. Like.

[Drew Franklin]

No, I'm telling you what I know.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, they could have said the alligator has turned. They say the worm has turned, clearly for some reason.

[Drew Franklin]

Just telling you.

[Matt Jones]

I was hoping you guys can. Billy, while we talk about will you look up and find why the word has turned? I mean, I understand the concept of turning. The question is why do we say the worm has turned?

[Drew Franklin]

This is the most Jim Harbaugh thing you could possibly say. I know that much. I still don't know why.

[Matt Jones]

Well, it is a real thing. I've heard it. I just never really had contemplated me. Well, he looks that looks that up.

[Drew Franklin]

Cowboys out of the playoffs, though.

[Matt Jones]

Vikings beat the Giant Giants. Bengals beat the Dolphins. Neither of those games really matter. Except I do think Mike. Mike McDaniel is. Is likely gone. Don't you?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know. I would have thought that earlier. I think they might keep him and get rid of Tua. There were some reports of that after the game today.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, was there? I didn't see that. Well, I mean, the problem is they're. They're. They're on the hook for $50 million for Tua, whether he's there or not.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, Quinn, yours actually played pretty well today. I mean, didn't get the win, but.

[Matt Jones]

They were down, what, like 34 to 3. And then he started playing decently well.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, just for a rookie thrown in like that, it could have been much worse. Burrow was insane, that's for sure. He had four touchdowns. Looked like the borough of old having fun again. They can put those Andrew luck concerns to bed. He. He was looking great out there.

[Matt Jones]

The Falcons played the Cardinals when I was in the Atlanta airport for reasons that only the people of Atlanta know, that was the only game available in the entire airport was the Falcons and the Cardinals, which is not a fun name game to watch. I mean, Lions are playing the Steelers like. Nope, can't watch that anywhere. Only Falcons, Cardinals. So I did get to see a lot of that victory. Texans nearly blew it to the Raiders. You know, Raiders been awful. And they had a shot in this game.

[Drew Franklin]

They did. When I first flipped over, I was shocked to see that the Raiders were winning. I mean, they've been terrible in your playing the Texans, maybe the hottest defense in the.

[Matt Jones]

Houston. In Houston.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And they were scoring points on them. But Houston was able to just hang on and win in the end. That would have been a terrible loss for Houston, which still at that point was in contention. The AFC south still are, but at that point, the Jags hadn't won yet.

[Matt Jones]

That would have been a horrible loss. So why does the worm turn, Bill?

[Billy]

It comes from a 1546 collection of proverbs by John Heywood in which he said, trade a worm on the tail and it must turn again. And I don't know. There you. That's all I got.

[Matt Jones]

That still doesn't explain what that means. Trade a worm on the tail and what?

[Billy]

And it must turn again. At the time again also meant against or oppose.

[Matt Jones]

Turn a worm on the tail and it must turn again.

[Billy]

Yeah, 1546.

[Matt Jones]

So I'm not even sure what that sentence means.

[Billy]

I don't either. But John Heywood was. Was preaching it back in 1546 about.

[Matt Jones]

How any animal did John Haywood's nonsensical poem in 15 Become Something Jim Harbaugh says. I mean, I guarantee you Jim Harbaugh is not, you know, not read that.

[Billy]

He may have. He'd be the guy, he'd be the coach to read this to his team.

[Drew Franklin]

That is the same, I think of all the coaches. He's the most likely. He's the weirdest.

[Matt Jones]

I'm gonna. Neither of you have given me the answers, so here's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna Google, do worms turn? Do worms turn? Yes, worms can turn. Well, that doesn't answer my question either. Stupid. All right, next. The Bucks lost to the Panthers. I'll. I'll leave the floor to you, our Bucks fan. Billy. How mad were you at this loss today?

[Billy]

Yeah, but this was tough. I mean, they started 5 and 1. They're now 7 and 8. Todd Bowles should be let go at the end of the year. It's just unacceptable.

[Matt Jones]

But you still can win the division. I mean, ultimately, you play the Panthers twice. You just need to win one of the two. So if you had won today, I think you were in really good shape. Now, as I see it, it's basically whoever wins the next one, the Panthers will have to beat you both times.

[Billy]

Well, yeah, we got to beat Miami next week, and Carolina, we got to win these last two, and then we're in.

[Matt Jones]

But, I mean, you still win the division, right?

[Billy]

Correct. But the magic's gone regardless.

[Drew Franklin]

Like the.

[Billy]

The Baker MVP discussion, the. The litany of receivers, it's just not lining up this year. And. And I mean, to lose to Carolina, like, that was just embarrassing. I mean, it's. I know that's a franchise trying to turn the corner, but, I mean, you've lost New Orleans, Atlanta, and Carolina in three straight weeks. It's. It's an embarrassing. By Todd.

[Matt Jones]

That is embarrassing. I was happy to see when it was the NFC champ South, you know, one of the. It's a game between the top two teams. I was glad they gave it to Chris Myers. I thought they wouldn't reward him for all of his NFC south service. They did. And so that made me very happy for him.

[Billy]

I thought of you guys because Chris Meyer said, I've never heard a December crowd in Carolina quite like this.

[Matt Jones]

Well, he would know. He would definitely know.

[Drew Franklin]

You can take that to the bank.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't know he said that. That's great. There's no one I trust more to measure the volume of Carolina, the crowds, than Chris Myers. I would trust him more than I would the guy who owns the franchise, actually. All right, so tonight or tomorrow night, Phil Rivers takes the field against the 49ers. I am extremely eager to see. I think there's a chance this goes horribly wrong. I also want him to win, and I want it to be a Disney movie. But you know, it's one thing to do it once. It's another thing when your body's like, okay, we. We're not doing this again, are we? I think could go horribly wrong.

[Drew Franklin]

I can't even believe we're here. We're on. It's almost Christmas and I'm excited to watch Philip Rivers play football.

[Matt Jones]

Me too.

[Drew Franklin]

Few said this before the season began. I wouldn't even know what situation could get me to watching Philip Rivers play football. But here we are in prime time. I'm going to believe he gets it done.

[Matt Jones]

I think they're going to win.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm going to trust in Philip Rivers. I'm sure he's been on the peloton all week. If not in the ice tub all week, he's going to look even better in his second game.

[Matt Jones]

Now, is it Brock Purdy or Mac Jones again? They're the same person. In my mind, I think it's Brock Purdy. Right?

[Billy]

It should be Brock Purdy.

[Matt Jones]

All right. I think they're going to destroy them. But I will say this, I think it'll be an amazing environment. When you consider the fact that if the Colts win, they still are set up in that last week of the season to play the Texans to win for the division. But they have to win tomorrow. So it's a must win game. It's Monday Night Football. It's this Phillip Rivers situation. I do think that will be a crazy good atmosphere.

[Drew Franklin]

And what if he does it? What if they look good with Philip Rivers? I mean, come on, work with me here. I know you think he's going to get killed, but the Colts still have a lot of talent. They still think it's.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think that's good for football. I don't think it's good for the sport. If it can be proven that a man can do nothing for five years, get old and fat and have to be and be around kids and they can come back in like three days and win a football game. I don't think that's good for the sport. I think it says, like, there's no other sport where you could do this. You can't just like, not play baseball for five years and go hit a home run, right? You can't not pick up a golf club for five years and win the Masters like this is. This can't happen.

[Drew Franklin]

It is a bad look for like young quarterbacks with all the training and supplements and everything you have now. And Philip Rivers. Rivers says into a microphone, I'm fat. And then goes out there and plays the exact same position and same sport that the young, more athletic guys do.

[Matt Jones]

And he is. I read a column, somebody in Indianapolis, I think, wrote a column that said, philip Rivers has made me feel older than I ever imagined because he is only 44. But we talk about him like he's Grandpa Simpson. So, like, it kind of stinks because he's younger than I am, but I talk about him like he's going to. That he fall over. And so that's also kind of a little demoralizing that I act like he's decrepit, but it is true. But I'm rooting for him. I mean, I've said a lot of mean things. I'm rooting for him. I want it to work.

[Drew Franklin]

And if it works, maybe it'll bring out more people from retirement. Maybe other sports will try.

[Matt Jones]

No, I like that we find out that next week, instead of Josh Johnson, we get Joe Montana, Drew Brees.

[Billy]

Here he comes. Another season on the line.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, I guess they can do it. I mean, it's better than. Who is the guy again for the Chiefs?

[Billy]

Oh, South Dakota State.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, Lockadoo down somewhere. Ola Donkey. Ola Duques. Ola Doken.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I. Ola. Can't wait to watch him. And I hope he. I hope he crushes it. All right, so did any of us get touchdowns?

[Billy]

Drew hit with J.J. mcCarthy with a rushing touchdown. He is up to four points. Matt, a Houston running back, did not score a rushing touchdown. So you stay at 5.

[Matt Jones]

Did you check all of them?

[Billy]

All of them did. Did not. And then Trey McBride did not score. So it is 5, 5, 4 in the.

[Matt Jones]

Drew trying to make a late comeback here at the end of the season.

[Drew Franklin]

And I think the ones I've hit have been, like, ridiculous. Like, when I pick. Josh Allen doesn't hit. J.J. mcCarthy, who got hurt in the first quarter, hits makes no sense.

[Matt Jones]

All right, who. Who's the who? Who was your Survivor League?

[Billy]

It was the Saints and they did win. So we move on. Now. Do you want me to change the game at all? Like you said, I need to pick in categories next week.

[Matt Jones]

Well, we. We'll have. Are we doing a midweek podcast? Have we talked about that? It is Christmas. Yeah, I don't know. Well, just in case we don't, let's go ahead and say I do think you need to pick in categories. So what you need to do is first is the way they do. This is the Thursday, Friday, Saturday games. Okay? All the games before Sunday. You have to pick One of those. So what. What are the choices of those games?

[Billy]

You've got Cowboys, Commanders, Lions, Vikings, Broncos, Chiefs, Texans, Chargers, and Ravens. Packers.

[Matt Jones]

You have to pick one of those. So which one do you want of those?

[Billy]

Well, do I need to go buy teams I haven't picked yet, or are they all on the table?

[Matt Jones]

Yes. No, no. You have to pick. It has to be one of these teams those five games, and it has to be someone that you have not picked.

[Billy]

Well, I know I haven't picked.

[Matt Jones]

So who have you picked out of that group?

[Billy]

I have picked Kansas City. I have not picked Dallas or Washington.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, have you picked the Lions or Vikings?

[Billy]

I have not picked either of those teams. The Lions or the Vikings?

[Matt Jones]

Texans, Chargers.

[Billy]

Texans. Chargers. I've picked both.

[Matt Jones]

And you can't do that one in.

[Billy]

Ravens, Packers, Ravens, Packers. I have picked neither of those teams.

[Matt Jones]

All right, so you. You've got some choices. Who do you want?

[Billy]

See, this is a lot on the line here that I'm having to make a decision on the spot. If I haven't picked Denver, then I think that's the choice I got to go here. Denver.

[Drew Franklin]

Denver.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that's certainly the choice. I mean, you're. We've already said they're playing a quarterback none of us have heard of.

[Billy]

Yeah. So I think I. I'll pick Denver there for that category.

[Matt Jones]

All right, now you go to Sunday. You're going to need to pick one of these Sunday or Monday. It has to be somebody you haven't picked.

[Billy]

Okay, somebody I haven't picked. Looking through this list here quickly, the Titans play the Saints. Drew, how confident are you in Cam Ward right now?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, no, you. You definitely would want the Saints there. I don't like that pick at all.

[Billy]

I've already picked the Saints, so I can't do that. You know, I haven't picked the Bucks yet.

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[Billy]

They have to win on the road in Miami. It'd be poetic if they lost. So give me.

[Matt Jones]

Have you picked the Seahawks?

[Billy]

Yes, I have picked the Seahawks.

[Matt Jones]

What about the Patriots?

[Billy]

Yes, I've picked the Patriots.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, well, I wouldn't want to pick Steelers, Brown.

[Billy]

Just give me Tampa. I'll go down with the ship if it goes. So give me Denver and Tampa as my two picks.

[Matt Jones]

I like those. Denver and Tampa, you could get through this, and then you would be down to the final week, Denver. So your two picks are Denver and Tampa next week, and then the next week that all the games are once, you'd only have one more. Now again, you missed a couple weeks and they were the ones where everyone lost. But nevertheless, that wasn't your fault. That was the way that life works. All right, well, I want you all to listen to the New Orleans ball.

[Billy]

Oh, yeah, we will.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, I'm missing that.

[Matt Jones]

I've got my board. I mean, right now, nothing's written on it, but this is what it's going to look like. And you know, you people right now, you don't know much about quarterback Braylon Braxton, but you're going to know on Tuesday as he takes Southern Miss against. What is it? Tis Tisdale, the quarterback at Western. Can I ask you a question, Billy? Because no one's answered. Why did they. They take out their one quarterback and put in Tisdale halfway through the year?

[Billy]

He got hurt. Maverick MacGyver.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, because his name was Maverick MacGyver, which is a great name.

[Billy]

The best quarterback.

[Drew Franklin]

And he put up crazy stats at his school in Texas.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, he put up crazy stats earlier. He was named, like, player of the week three out of the first seven weeks. And I thought he got benched, but him getting hurt actually makes a lot more sense.

[Drew Franklin]

If I'm not mistaken, Matt Mavericks offensive coordinator, came with him from Texas to Bowling Green.

[Billy]

That's correct. Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Well, see, that wasn't in the notes, so thank you.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, first time for both of them.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, Coach Maverick's not playing, so it doesn't matter. All right, well, thank you guys very much. We will see you later. This has been NFL Cover 0. NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Get almost anything you need delivered with UberEats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parmesan delivered.

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